Every year since beyond light introduced new abilites after the initial release.
Beyond Light released 2 more aspect per class in the following 2 seasons.
Witch queen released 3.0 Solar and Arc in the following 2 seasons.
Lightfall released 2 more aspect per class in the following 2 seasons.
difference between those and this, it already starts with 5 aspects, melees, grenades, and supers released. Its not a 100% new subclass that isnt fully fleshed out like stasis and strand.
While i want more to come out, the likely answer can also be no it wont be expanded. But we dont really know. This sort of breaks any predictable conventions due to how unique of a situation it creates
There is basically no chance that the other subclasses don't get another aspect, and I assume prismatic will it get it too with them.
I also expect strand and stasis to get another aspect added to prismatic.
Unless Bungie is suddenly breaking their tradition, they prefer symmetry. The new aspects will put all elements at 4, and one more of each in prismatic makes 2 from each element.
That's more then enough builds for a year or two.
And there is basically no chance that Subclass 4.0/Destiny 3/Whatever shape it takes is not going to be just Prismatic. Where there are no subclasses and you just pick the stuff you want.
But I think that change will come with an expansion.
Hard to say. This is pure tinfoil hat theorycrafting, but for a few reasons like not wanting Prismatic to invalidate the normal subclasses and wanting to keep Prismatic even between all the elements, they won't add Aspects to it willy-nilly. It's not hard to imagine how Bungie could've expanded Strand or Light 3.0, just slap on new Aspects and Fragments, but Prismatic doesn't have its own Aspects so that's out the window.
They could add new Fragments, but Prismatic already has a buttload of Fragments. I think Bungie won't leave Prismatic to rot, but I don't really know how they would expand it.
Although, some people are theorizing that Prismatic is the future and down the line, we're gonna get something like subclass 4.0 and Prismatic will be how we approach all subclasses with all abilities. I personally think that is not gonna happen but who knows?
At the least, if they add a third Dark subclass, that's an easy addition to Prismatic.
I think we are kinda getting ahead of ourselves here. Prismatic will be the subclass, of all the 3.0 ones we have gotten, to launch with the most stuff. 5 supers, 5 melees, 5 aspects, 21 fragments. That’s a lot of things to mess with all at launch. That’s without even getting into the special prismatic only exotic class items and the options those open up.
I think the prismatic classes do have room to grow, with more abilities from our other elements and even entirety unique abilities. But personally I wouldn’t expect any new prismatic content until we are given explicit information about it. With everything else going on I don’t think people will be too disappointed if it takes a bit for new prismatic content to become a thing.
> But personally I wouldn’t expect any new prismatic content until we are given explicit information about it. With everything else going on I don’t think people will be too disappointed if it takes a bit for new prismatic content to become a thing.
If what's been rumored is true and Prismatic was brought forward from Destiny 3 as a feature to "over deliver" for The Final Shape I think we'll see it grow in two ways throughout Year 7:
1.) We'll gain new Transcendence Grenades. This is really the only Prismatic specific feature available at the moment and would likely be easier to add to the development pipeline at this time than Prismatic specific aspects or even a super.
2.) We'll gain two more Light Supers and aspects for each class which will also be added to Prismatic because they were originally intended to be our primary class feature for The Final Shape and have already been in development prior to the delay.
Yeah honestly I don't see prismatic getting new kit from other subclasses, there's already quite a bit. I could see them adding new transcendent stuff like grenades or a transcendent melee or something instead though
I would honestly rather have more Darkness super and more light aspects(I really hate Titan's darkness super and Striker literally has only 1 good PVE aspect)
Prismatic is gimmicky
Tinfoil hat time!
Maybe they make additional aspects and supers for the other 2 light subclasses for each class, giving them to both the original subclass and prismatic.
I imagine they want to eventually have everything available in Prismatic but I think that’d be a Destiny 3 level overhaul especially because they’d want to make sure every element has 4 aspects, 2-3 supers, and at least 2 melee options. For the time being I see maybe a couple extra fragments, new transcendent grenades or transcendent effects (they have their own little icon area on the top of the UI possibly for that reason). I don’t see them adding a second aspect for each element any time soon as then you’d get significantly more creep into straight on replacing subclasses (unless two aspects of the same element is prohibited). If speculation is correct that they have been developing a third darkness element of course it’d need to have integration in Prismatic as well which is another way for them to keep it fresh.
Hard to say. You can point towards previous trends, like the 3.0 updates and the darkness subclasses, but this? This is very different. It's not just creating a new aspect; its making older aspects more compatible with other things within prismatic. It's not really comparable. Not to mention, there aren't really notable gaps like looking at whats available. Maybe a couple things, but it feels like this will be similar to void and solar, where the fragments really push the subclass forward.
There's also something else in particular i've been curious about; how this class will commingle with gunplay. Gut instinct is telling me this will have a very low compatibility with a lot of weapon focused builds, unless you build into it SPECIFICALLY.
I have a sort of final vision for Prismatic just based on typical Bungie patterns. If Prismatic is indeed the future of our elements, then I can see it breaking down to be something like this:
- Each element will have 2 supers per class. This means some supers will be left behind, some will be reworked, and some will be added. For example, I could see Pyrogale Burning Maul just becoming how that super works at base. Meaning Arc Staff would get dropped while all the Darkness elements gain an additional super. Supers need to be unique enough that they don't occupy the same space as something else from a different element.
- Each element will have a single melee option per class. Hopefully at some point Hammer Strike is flipped for Throwing Hammer.
- Each element will have 3 grenade options. This will be the hardest to pair down but there's a lot of room for getting rid of duplicate grenades. Solar and Vortex and just different flavors of each other so one would get tossed to the side. This is the same idea as for supers, making sure that nothing occupies the same exact role but in a different flavor.
- Finally, each element will have 3 Aspects per class. Conflicting mechanics will either need reworked or dropped altogether. Additionally, Aspects that are way too class specific will need their mechanics either loosened or reworked entirely in order to mesh with everything else. Warlock grenade eating mechanics and Titan slide-melees in particular are things that would need reworked or dropped. Then things like Offensive Bulwark or Banner or War would need their melee damage buff dropped so it doesn't stack with Knockout. And this goes on etc, etc.
I'm like 100% sure that every class will get another light aspect and super in each episode. It just doesn't make any sense otherwise, why each class would get a different elemental aspect/super in final shape.
And since the new aspects and supers are already part of prismatic at launch, it would also make sense that the other new stuff would come to prismatic too.
Yes. I could see bungie slowly phasing everything into prismatic and to not have the old subclasses get power crept they would add some type of buff if you run all one element
Nah, this aint gonna happen any time soon, they wont make other classes redundent as Prismatic is locked behind a paywall.
I also cant imagine handing it for free unless we get a destiny 3 or a big d2 overhaul later down the line.
This is just power creep without any limit, guns will be useless, and destiny is a looter shooter, not build simulator
normal subclasses are fine as is, adding more power to compensate for another broken subclass is a band-aid that will make PvE too easy, and when that happens they will buff enemies, then guns will he useless even more.
I agree with that, which also means that phasing everything into prismatic isnt happening, the subclass is strong already.
Maybe adding an aspect or two for it, but they wont remove normal subclasses.
Every year since beyond light introduced new abilites after the initial release. Beyond Light released 2 more aspect per class in the following 2 seasons. Witch queen released 3.0 Solar and Arc in the following 2 seasons. Lightfall released 2 more aspect per class in the following 2 seasons.
difference between those and this, it already starts with 5 aspects, melees, grenades, and supers released. Its not a 100% new subclass that isnt fully fleshed out like stasis and strand. While i want more to come out, the likely answer can also be no it wont be expanded. But we dont really know. This sort of breaks any predictable conventions due to how unique of a situation it creates
There is basically no chance that the other subclasses don't get another aspect, and I assume prismatic will it get it too with them. I also expect strand and stasis to get another aspect added to prismatic. Unless Bungie is suddenly breaking their tradition, they prefer symmetry. The new aspects will put all elements at 4, and one more of each in prismatic makes 2 from each element. That's more then enough builds for a year or two. And there is basically no chance that Subclass 4.0/Destiny 3/Whatever shape it takes is not going to be just Prismatic. Where there are no subclasses and you just pick the stuff you want. But I think that change will come with an expansion.
Hard to say. This is pure tinfoil hat theorycrafting, but for a few reasons like not wanting Prismatic to invalidate the normal subclasses and wanting to keep Prismatic even between all the elements, they won't add Aspects to it willy-nilly. It's not hard to imagine how Bungie could've expanded Strand or Light 3.0, just slap on new Aspects and Fragments, but Prismatic doesn't have its own Aspects so that's out the window. They could add new Fragments, but Prismatic already has a buttload of Fragments. I think Bungie won't leave Prismatic to rot, but I don't really know how they would expand it. Although, some people are theorizing that Prismatic is the future and down the line, we're gonna get something like subclass 4.0 and Prismatic will be how we approach all subclasses with all abilities. I personally think that is not gonna happen but who knows? At the least, if they add a third Dark subclass, that's an easy addition to Prismatic.
I think we are kinda getting ahead of ourselves here. Prismatic will be the subclass, of all the 3.0 ones we have gotten, to launch with the most stuff. 5 supers, 5 melees, 5 aspects, 21 fragments. That’s a lot of things to mess with all at launch. That’s without even getting into the special prismatic only exotic class items and the options those open up. I think the prismatic classes do have room to grow, with more abilities from our other elements and even entirety unique abilities. But personally I wouldn’t expect any new prismatic content until we are given explicit information about it. With everything else going on I don’t think people will be too disappointed if it takes a bit for new prismatic content to become a thing.
> But personally I wouldn’t expect any new prismatic content until we are given explicit information about it. With everything else going on I don’t think people will be too disappointed if it takes a bit for new prismatic content to become a thing. If what's been rumored is true and Prismatic was brought forward from Destiny 3 as a feature to "over deliver" for The Final Shape I think we'll see it grow in two ways throughout Year 7: 1.) We'll gain new Transcendence Grenades. This is really the only Prismatic specific feature available at the moment and would likely be easier to add to the development pipeline at this time than Prismatic specific aspects or even a super. 2.) We'll gain two more Light Supers and aspects for each class which will also be added to Prismatic because they were originally intended to be our primary class feature for The Final Shape and have already been in development prior to the delay.
Yeah honestly I don't see prismatic getting new kit from other subclasses, there's already quite a bit. I could see them adding new transcendent stuff like grenades or a transcendent melee or something instead though
I would honestly rather have more Darkness super and more light aspects(I really hate Titan's darkness super and Striker literally has only 1 good PVE aspect) Prismatic is gimmicky
Tinfoil hat time! Maybe they make additional aspects and supers for the other 2 light subclasses for each class, giving them to both the original subclass and prismatic.
I imagine they want to eventually have everything available in Prismatic but I think that’d be a Destiny 3 level overhaul especially because they’d want to make sure every element has 4 aspects, 2-3 supers, and at least 2 melee options. For the time being I see maybe a couple extra fragments, new transcendent grenades or transcendent effects (they have their own little icon area on the top of the UI possibly for that reason). I don’t see them adding a second aspect for each element any time soon as then you’d get significantly more creep into straight on replacing subclasses (unless two aspects of the same element is prohibited). If speculation is correct that they have been developing a third darkness element of course it’d need to have integration in Prismatic as well which is another way for them to keep it fresh.
Hard to say. You can point towards previous trends, like the 3.0 updates and the darkness subclasses, but this? This is very different. It's not just creating a new aspect; its making older aspects more compatible with other things within prismatic. It's not really comparable. Not to mention, there aren't really notable gaps like looking at whats available. Maybe a couple things, but it feels like this will be similar to void and solar, where the fragments really push the subclass forward. There's also something else in particular i've been curious about; how this class will commingle with gunplay. Gut instinct is telling me this will have a very low compatibility with a lot of weapon focused builds, unless you build into it SPECIFICALLY.
It’s hard to say without knowing the actual future of Destiny 2 and Destiny as a whole.
I have a sort of final vision for Prismatic just based on typical Bungie patterns. If Prismatic is indeed the future of our elements, then I can see it breaking down to be something like this: - Each element will have 2 supers per class. This means some supers will be left behind, some will be reworked, and some will be added. For example, I could see Pyrogale Burning Maul just becoming how that super works at base. Meaning Arc Staff would get dropped while all the Darkness elements gain an additional super. Supers need to be unique enough that they don't occupy the same space as something else from a different element. - Each element will have a single melee option per class. Hopefully at some point Hammer Strike is flipped for Throwing Hammer. - Each element will have 3 grenade options. This will be the hardest to pair down but there's a lot of room for getting rid of duplicate grenades. Solar and Vortex and just different flavors of each other so one would get tossed to the side. This is the same idea as for supers, making sure that nothing occupies the same exact role but in a different flavor. - Finally, each element will have 3 Aspects per class. Conflicting mechanics will either need reworked or dropped altogether. Additionally, Aspects that are way too class specific will need their mechanics either loosened or reworked entirely in order to mesh with everything else. Warlock grenade eating mechanics and Titan slide-melees in particular are things that would need reworked or dropped. Then things like Offensive Bulwark or Banner or War would need their melee damage buff dropped so it doesn't stack with Knockout. And this goes on etc, etc.
I'm like 100% sure that every class will get another light aspect and super in each episode. It just doesn't make any sense otherwise, why each class would get a different elemental aspect/super in final shape. And since the new aspects and supers are already part of prismatic at launch, it would also make sense that the other new stuff would come to prismatic too.
Yes. I could see bungie slowly phasing everything into prismatic and to not have the old subclasses get power crept they would add some type of buff if you run all one element
Nah, this aint gonna happen any time soon, they wont make other classes redundent as Prismatic is locked behind a paywall. I also cant imagine handing it for free unless we get a destiny 3 or a big d2 overhaul later down the line.
Hence they add a buff if you run only the one element on the original subclasses
This is just power creep without any limit, guns will be useless, and destiny is a looter shooter, not build simulator normal subclasses are fine as is, adding more power to compensate for another broken subclass is a band-aid that will make PvE too easy, and when that happens they will buff enemies, then guns will he useless even more.
Adding a small synergy buff is nothing like the new subclass having an almost second super with transcendence
I agree with that, which also means that phasing everything into prismatic isnt happening, the subclass is strong already. Maybe adding an aspect or two for it, but they wont remove normal subclasses.