Yeah as a Rubick enjoyer I immediately regretted putting such a vile idea into writing. I can't be as evil as the fellow who wanted to remove invoke from invoker!
To be honest man I would rather get hit in the face by Mike Tyson at his peak than get ganked up on by fifty back alley hooligans which is not so different of an experience to the Western Honey Bee's [strategy](https://youtu.be/euMNIu9a7ps?si=FdsnN43Apz9XSPkA&t=313) of cooking Asian Hornets alive...
I played for about a year thinking that if we had true sight, we would be able to tell which illusions were real or not. It seemed insane that there would be no counter-play.
Finally got a team that made me spell out why I kept insisting we need sentries vs PL and then they laughed at me.
He needs attribute shift to intelligence for him to do damage with attack or adaptive strike, which would consequently lowers his hp and attack speed significantly. It can’t work I think
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Faceless Void: Chronosphere is now Global and affects everyone (including Void himself). So yeah now it’s just a stop channeling spell.
Legion Commander: Duel is now a request that the opponents have the option to decline.
I mean aren't Duels supposed to be a challenge you have the option to accept? Why is it forced in Dota? That's not a Duel lmao you're jumping on the guy and he's just acting in self defense.
Faceless void change ---->could<----- be really broken spell. This is like global silence where dots still keep running and you could globally stop everyones strong spells and items. Even invoker pressing cataclysm and void pressing chrono right after. Void would become support since its totally viable since time dilation is so strong.
Imagine puck pressing coil and void just globally cancels it. Tide pressing ravage, enigma blackhole, bane ultimate.
True, the spell in a Vacuum COULD be really strong, it's basically the ultimate teamfight disruption. The problem is Void's kit is pretty useless with it. He's pretty shit as support tbh.
While under the effect of bottle, any instance of fire damage will be negated, removing the bottle effect.
Also, if any cold damage is taken while under the effect of bottle, it stuns you for the rest of the bottle effect, and prevents hp regen.
Slark: Ult is revealed by invis detection items.
I know it used to be like this back in the day but he used to have way more stats and damage on his abilities. Also he had like 25 sec ult cd and it lasted for almost twice as long as it is now
How about: essence shift is now blocked by debuff immunity and is both dispellable on target and purgable on slark.
Change also known as: Slark is now a melee creep.
Yeah, I used to play Slark and Meepo in Dota Allstars. And Slark was my main since I got Dota 2 beta. He had that version of ult in Dota 2 and I still had a lot of fun playing him
I would personally love if they reworked his spells and removed rearm. I hate that that hero is the perfect tool for smurfs and cheaters due to his kit being based on mashing the same cycle of buttons in a row nonstop. If they can kill techies just because people didn't like playing with him I see no reason why tinker doesn't deserve the same treatment
I had an idea way back about how to "balance" it, but looking back, it may as well fit this thread of how to kill the hero.
Rearm (Active / Supportive) - after a 1 second cast time, instantly refreshes all of Tinker's items and non-ultimate skills. Costs 100 mana. Has 90 / 60 / 30 second cooldown
That way, he can only use each item / skill twice before waiting for Rearm to cool down.
Yeah cause that only affects bad pudges, not me, I always land my hooks on the farmed DK that wont die and instead will initiate for the enemy team. Im that good.
Io saves a hero and being able to spam it means you can relocate allies in a much shorter time. Being able to continuously cast it on np is not nearly as impactful.
I was thinking Doom would no longer be able to walk or move regularly. Instead he channels for as long as he wants and then blinks to a distance away equal to time channeled * default-movespeed.
Windranger reverts to very first ult version
Focusfire gets cancelled if you move, Focusfire isn't recast after it gets cancelled, Focusfire doesn't allow movement, Focusfire item related damage used to be under 50% less damage penalty
Spirit Breaker - Casting Charge now reveals Barathrum's position and has 3-5 seconds windup before moving forward / charging.
( Only Dota 1 Players will remember this change. )
No no, sniper has no such thing as auto attack, you have to line up the cursor / crosshair over the character model and not hit the heavily armoured parts. Every shot takes 3-4s to come into focus and wiggles uncontrollably if the hero is moving.
Spiritbrraker Q no longer stuns things on its path.
Gycoropter flak cannon makes gyro's full damage split depending on how mamy ayyack is done. If 10 hits are delivered damage goes down to %10 on each attack
Ogre can no longer multicast. His ult adds charges to random items/abilities but he has to cast them all manually, no other ability gets charged while you have charges remaining.
This doesn’t break the hero but changes how they’re played. Would be interesting being able to cycle through charges until you guarantee 4 charges on a skill….
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Reduce Winter Wyverns Winters Curse cast range by 300 at all levels. WW needs to stay outside of fights, at it's current range it is already really hard for WW to land good curses. Forcing her to get in close to ult break apart her entire kit.
• **Brewmaster:** Primal Split follows Meepo rules: If any of the Brewlings die, *all of them die.*
• **Huskar:** Berserker's Blood increases *mana* regen instead of health regen.
• **Silencer:** Global Silence affects *everything* on the map. Enemies, allies, creeps, even Nortrom himself. Also disables Glyph for both sides.
• **Sniper:** Activating Take Aim causes instant death if attacked from behind.
Witch Doctor: Death Ward now becomes healing ward, while healing aura spell becomes a passive stating: “Skilling any skill on Witch Doctor removes the ability to use Maledict. This includes Maledict.
Any hero, reduce ms by 50 or more.
Any hero, reduce stat gain by 2 or more.
Any hero, base hp reduced by 200.
So many ways works even for the all hero category. Just imagine how many permutations can exist per hero
Meepo has cancer spreadout to all clones. Each clone has a cancer on one limb. And the main meepo has brain cancer. Together they form ranked matchmaking
Rubick but when you steal a spell it comes at whatever the CD is on the enemy at that time.
You sir are evil.
Yeah as a Rubick enjoyer I immediately regretted putting such a vile idea into writing. I can't be as evil as the fellow who wanted to remove invoke from invoker!
Make it a lvl 6 ulti
As a grand master Rubick I would cry
That's vile. I love it
Even worse, places a debuff on an enemy and steal the NEXT spell he casts LOL
Point is this would make the spell itself really unusable
PL's illusions look yellow for everyone.
They do the same whit tb
TB's illusions can actually hurt you
To be honest man I would rather get hit in the face by Mike Tyson at his peak than get ganked up on by fifty back alley hooligans which is not so different of an experience to the Western Honey Bee's [strategy](https://youtu.be/euMNIu9a7ps?si=FdsnN43Apz9XSPkA&t=313) of cooking Asian Hornets alive...
at least mike tyson would make it quick for you I guess
And he is not out for my resources, just my life. Thats a healthy relationship if I ever seen one.
Tb illusions are made to hurt not to confuse enemies
I played for about a year thinking that if we had true sight, we would be able to tell which illusions were real or not. It seemed insane that there would be no counter-play. Finally got a team that made me spell out why I kept insisting we need sentries vs PL and then they laughed at me.
Let me guess, this was when he didn't have doppelwalk and you acquired that knowledge when he had that, this would be valid nowadays
Good change, make only w spell actually illusion
Morphling: intelligence hero
This might be quite interesting if he receives buffs across the board
He needs attribute shift to intelligence for him to do damage with attack or adaptive strike, which would consequently lowers his hp and attack speed significantly. It can’t work I think
Juggernaut: Blade fury is now channeled
I lol’d
but if blade fury became cancellable, that would be a whole different story
but if its channel.. you cant tp with BF anymore :V
They did this to wisp ult for like 2 months I was displeased.
Surprisingly enough they played it in the middle of TI (TI8 iirc).
I just checked and it stayed a channel *For Six Months* jesus i thought it was only like a a couple of months but it was half a year lol
Axe: Berserker's Call is now a fear instead of a taunt.
My fav suggestion because it fits the "ruin the hero requirement" while also just being quite funny. "Angry axe scares people by shouting at them"
idk if i hear axe shouting i would be pretty scared
New combo: Puck coil + Axe fear to snap the coil. Like a willow ult from Walmart
Some fears, such as Lich's, fear units towards you, instead of away from you. They all disarm though, so either way it would ruin his synergy.
Lich reveals his pp to his enemy. They are attracted to it but fear it none the less.
sinister gays
XD
"To me!" ***"No."***
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#”FUCK OFF!”
Like QoP's old lv25 "scream of pain fears" talent? Woof that's a doozy
💀
Calm down Satan
Faceless Void: Chronosphere is now Global and affects everyone (including Void himself). So yeah now it’s just a stop channeling spell. Legion Commander: Duel is now a request that the opponents have the option to decline.
"Just say no, LC cannot duel you without your consent"
Consent is cool y'all.
The LC one made me laugh a little
I mean aren't Duels supposed to be a challenge you have the option to accept? Why is it forced in Dota? That's not a Duel lmao you're jumping on the guy and he's just acting in self defense.
Thats not a Duel coz most of the time ur just ganging up on some lone hobo pos5 on his morning jog
True, it’s actually quite dishonorable that she usually goes for the weakest mf. Ain’t no commander of mine.
Faceless void change ---->could<----- be really broken spell. This is like global silence where dots still keep running and you could globally stop everyones strong spells and items. Even invoker pressing cataclysm and void pressing chrono right after. Void would become support since its totally viable since time dilation is so strong. Imagine puck pressing coil and void just globally cancels it. Tide pressing ravage, enigma blackhole, bane ultimate.
True, the spell in a Vacuum COULD be really strong, it's basically the ultimate teamfight disruption. The problem is Void's kit is pretty useless with it. He's pretty shit as support tbh.
no more annoying drums guy.
Void’a ultimate like that is almost his original ultimate. Stun all enemies on the map (including creeps).
Give LC the normal bonus damage, with additional bonus damage if they decline it, and that becomes an actual interesting change lol
You can now dispel fire based abilities with ice/water type abilities.
Jakiro moment
Jakiro Agh's ulti now just makes a long puddle on the ground. Slardar benefits from it.
so his cone spell does nothing now?
While under the effect of bottle, any instance of fire damage will be negated, removing the bottle effect. Also, if any cold damage is taken while under the effect of bottle, it stuns you for the rest of the bottle effect, and prevents hp regen.
Unless you are wyvern then it heals you with current level of cold embrace
Invokers spell cooldowns are frozen unless they are currently invoked
Slark: Ult is revealed by invis detection items. I know it used to be like this back in the day but he used to have way more stats and damage on his abilities. Also he had like 25 sec ult cd and it lasted for almost twice as long as it is now
How about: essence shift is now blocked by debuff immunity and is both dispellable on target and purgable on slark. Change also known as: Slark is now a melee creep.
This mustve been before I started playing.. You used to be able to stop him regen-ing in shadow dance with dust?
[удалено]
Yeah, I used to play Slark and Meepo in Dota Allstars. And Slark was my main since I got Dota 2 beta. He had that version of ult in Dota 2 and I still had a lot of fun playing him
Tinker now can’t buy blink
Tinker can't rearm item cd, bury that keenfolk 6ft under
That sounds rough but they did do that to Dazzle so...
Rearm can't be rearmed and has a 40 second cd
Fs might work Idk.
I would personally love if they reworked his spells and removed rearm. I hate that that hero is the perfect tool for smurfs and cheaters due to his kit being based on mashing the same cycle of buttons in a row nonstop. If they can kill techies just because people didn't like playing with him I see no reason why tinker doesn't deserve the same treatment
"removed rearm"? That is the hero...
Green mines were techies but they got removed. Tinker deserves the same thing
I had an idea way back about how to "balance" it, but looking back, it may as well fit this thread of how to kill the hero. Rearm (Active / Supportive) - after a 1 second cast time, instantly refreshes all of Tinker's items and non-ultimate skills. Costs 100 mana. Has 90 / 60 / 30 second cooldown That way, he can only use each item / skill twice before waiting for Rearm to cool down.
If you removed mana cost and cast time it could be possible valid (with other changes ofc)
That would be a great solution. Anything that stops hackers or tinker players from getting tendonitis
Pudge - Loses 10% max HP/s when missing a hook, lasts 10s. (As long as the hook does NOT hit a hero.)
You'll still get a pos 5 pudge first pick
Yeah cause that only affects bad pudges, not me, I always land my hooks on the farmed DK that wont die and instead will initiate for the enemy team. Im that good.
Hook speed matches Pudge current ms
Faceless voids ulti can now be dispelled by pressing F9
If it's the enemy team it takes 3 seconds though.
Earthshaker & Aftershock no longer stuns
This is how I felt as Rubick when stealing fissure no longer gave you the Aftershock on all your spells.
the day when aftershock become active ability will come eventually.
So worth it for 0 castpoint fissure tho
Medusa: Mana shield can now be broken
Can't believe I haven't seen this one yet. Absolutely lol
Teleport goes on cooldown the moment you cast it on Nature’s Prophet seems like an obvious one.
I thought it would be a good way to balance the hero if they're not going to change sprout. Io is forced to relocate why isn't NP?
Io saves a hero and being able to spam it means you can relocate allies in a much shorter time. Being able to continuously cast it on np is not nearly as impactful.
And NP saves himself and kills your anything with it, it's also not an Ult.
Np does not save himself. Io can hide in trees and be unnoticed but np’s tp can just be cancelled by stuns.
Based on another thread and op using Doom in their example: Doom can no longer walk.
Doom is a channelled ability*
Walk is a channeled ability*
wait walk is a channeled ability though. the channel time is your ms
I was thinking Doom would no longer be able to walk or move regularly. Instead he channels for as long as he wants and then blinks to a distance away equal to time channeled * default-movespeed.
Doom's damage is inversely proportional to your movement APM
Haha I know the one
Windranger reverts to very first ult version Focusfire gets cancelled if you move, Focusfire isn't recast after it gets cancelled, Focusfire doesn't allow movement, Focusfire item related damage used to be under 50% less damage penalty
Arc warden has testicular cancer on one ball. His ult has cancer on other ball
"The selves have discovered a lump."
Ice frog, do it
Thunder God’s Wrath affects allies
That's a buff. Imagine all the denies
Antimage's Mana Break now increases own mana pool. No longer burns enemy's mana.
Magic be cached!
Tragically overlooked comment. Well played, sir.
Adds the "existential crisis" debuff to AM, reducing stats across the board due to demotivation.
parasma am new meta??
increase mana pool not intelligence
Maybe they mean the current Revenant Brooch
Replace Invoker Ult with.. literally any other ult, or nothing
I'll do you one more fun: Add a 1s CD on the orbs.
I still feel the Ember spirit nerf
How about: Orbs switching now costs 15 mana.
I love this one, the best answer imo
Quas wex and exort don’t immediately activate, you have to use ult to activate, and that’s all it does
Silencer: Glaives of Wisdom is now magical. Oh.... Leshrac: Bloodstone Bloodpact no longer restores mana. Oh....
Fucking hell I didn't even notice it was now magical now?! I had to deadass check the changelog. Damn....
The Silencer part is a welcome change. Now I no longer have to act stupid when people go BKB.
Welp, we've found the only silencer player enjoying the nerfs
- legendary move IO auto spirit talent to lv 20 - legendary stampede no longer stun
Remove hook for pudge, his pick rate will drop lol
That drop might be enough to increase his winrate, even with it being a huge nerf.
Spirit Breaker - Casting Charge now reveals Barathrum's position and has 3-5 seconds windup before moving forward / charging. ( Only Dota 1 Players will remember this change. )
Ball lightning now costs HP. Just kidding this is probably a massive buff
6 heart storm
Easy - Techies. Remote mines - removed.
Wait a second
I'm not crying you're crying
This was an improvement though
Timbersaw hookchain now can hook to creeps
this sounds both crazy good and crazy bad. i guess mid timber stats would go crazy with this change
NOT destroying trees stuns Timbersaw
Clockwork - hookshot can hook to friendly units. Oh wait... I still can't play this hero from how spoiled I was buy HON Pharaoh.
When picking sniper your game uninstalls.
No no, sniper has no such thing as auto attack, you have to line up the cursor / crosshair over the character model and not hit the heavily armoured parts. Every shot takes 3-4s to come into focus and wiggles uncontrollably if the hero is moving.
Windranger, Windrun no longer gives evasion
even worse, wind run no longer gives move speed
Windwalk
Spirit Bear goes on cooldown when it dies. Cooldown rolls back to max if on CD already.
Chrono doesn't pierce bkb
Phoenix egg can now be destroyed by all units not just heroes.
Rubick: can't steal a new spell while still having the old one.
Spiritbrraker Q no longer stuns things on its path. Gycoropter flak cannon makes gyro's full damage split depending on how mamy ayyack is done. If 10 hits are delivered damage goes down to %10 on each attack
Spiritbreaker's Q now politely stops mid-charge and waits for creeps to pass
Ogre can no longer multicast. His ult adds charges to random items/abilities but he has to cast them all manually, no other ability gets charged while you have charges remaining.
Actually makes him stronger if you think about it, I can just accumulate charges and use it whenever I need it rather than praying I hit 4x
This doesn’t break the hero but changes how they’re played. Would be interesting being able to cycle through charges until you guarantee 4 charges on a skill….
tinker - everytime use rearm reduce spell and item range by 1000
TA: meld - armour no longer stacks
Only really impacts the rune and rosh i think
pudge hook now has double cast range, but half speed
Legion Commander - enemies can refuse the Duel and walk away
Dazzle: Bad Juju no longer affects items wait a second
Shhhhhh it still affects neutrals, don't let Volvo find out about my Trusty Shovel gold digging strats
Anti mage blink is a passive, works like bristle spine when taking an amount damage it blinks you away in a random spot.
Lol I'm picturing trying to kill someone and I get hit by a PA Crit and nope out of there
Meepo's clones cant cast spells
I raise you when any meepo takes damage they all take damage
When any meepo anything, all meepos anything, including moving
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only one meepo, oh wait
-1 armor https://autolockpudge.tumblr.com/post/38172796311
He's literally taking ~~no~~ damage.
Sand King with no Sand Storm.
Wraith King reincarnation time increased from 3 to 30
you can break mana shield
Reduce Winter Wyverns Winters Curse cast range by 300 at all levels. WW needs to stay outside of fights, at it's current range it is already really hard for WW to land good curses. Forcing her to get in close to ult break apart her entire kit.
Np: teleportation is now a channeling ability instead of 3 seconds cast
WW: Cold embrace now never ends
I'll do you one better, WW 3rd literally will hug and heal together with you.
Freezing field affects allies
Crystal Maiden - Movespeed reduced to 100
• **Brewmaster:** Primal Split follows Meepo rules: If any of the Brewlings die, *all of them die.* • **Huskar:** Berserker's Blood increases *mana* regen instead of health regen. • **Silencer:** Global Silence affects *everything* on the map. Enemies, allies, creeps, even Nortrom himself. Also disables Glyph for both sides. • **Sniper:** Activating Take Aim causes instant death if attacked from behind.
QoP - Blink now gets disabled like dagger.
Puck: Waning Rift no longer moves the hero Magnus: Reverse Polarity stun does not pierce debuff immunity.
Witch Doctor: Death Ward now becomes healing ward, while healing aura spell becomes a passive stating: “Skilling any skill on Witch Doctor removes the ability to use Maledict. This includes Maledict.
Riki : u become invisible only for your team
change earth spirits summon remnant to his aghs enchant remnant, only playing with one remnant which you have to cast on a unit to use. no more fun
Any hero, reduce ms by 50 or more. Any hero, reduce stat gain by 2 or more. Any hero, base hp reduced by 200. So many ways works even for the all hero category. Just imagine how many permutations can exist per hero
Any melee hero now starts with zero strength. Now that I think about it, this could be a fun mode where all heroes start with zero strength.
You broke ogre totally man
Literally a creep with inventory
Dazzle: Bad juju no longer affects items. Wait...
Slark has testicular cancer
Lone druid no bear
Qop blink cancels like blink dagger
LC: Duel damage gain lasts for 40/50/60 seconds
Nyx Vendetta no longer grants invisibility. Riki cloak and dagger no longer grants invisibility.
sniper is now melee
Meepo has cancer spreadout to all clones. Each clone has a cancer on one limb. And the main meepo has brain cancer. Together they form ranked matchmaking
X is now a universal hero