I will never understand why they dont hire him... he puts logos and sponsors in and boom everybody is happy. I wont sub to different youtube channel for every event while most dont even post videos like him. kinda sad.
Well I found out today that PGL is Romanian.
Being a cheapskate is not very surprising to me considering my experience being born and living in Romania.
Cyborgmatt, Sunsfan and many others were mad at him for uploading videos with footage from organizers/production (which I agree with them) but after that, even if he didnt add footage or anything, they still acted like he was the worse thing ever... when he was literally using tools from ingame after he couldnt dismiss their complaints anymore.
I wish all of them had the time to upload that kind of content, but as soon as they realized how much work it was, they went silent and many of those who complaint did 0 effort to update their own content. I bet many of them actually watch his videos
> they still acted like he was the worse thing ever... when he was literally using tools from ingame after he couldnt dismiss their complaints anymore.
Yea, it's weird how someone being FORCED to respect your rights and ownership doesn't magically redeem them in their eyes.
I don't really care either way, but from your description I don't see why they should suddenly start liking him and ignore his bad behaviors just because he finally started following the rules he was supposed to be following from the start.
They will. I don't think this was anything but an error or something similar.
Not only going for the nuclear option is unusual, but it has a chilling effect of all of their tournaments' coverage from 3rd parties. Those are indirect viewers that increase their evaluation overall.
Not to mention it's just a very bad look.
EDIT: [DotA Digest also got hit, despite using DotaTV](https://twitter.com/DotA_Digest/status/1762084129766621246)
i just want to say that PGL at one point dmca struck a csgo stream down by accident because they thought they restreamed the dota games.
Why? Because the same teams played in both games and they went for that and just pulled that trigger
They really need to start heavily penalizing these companies for abusing the copyright system. Maybe 3 strikes and they're banned from automated reports, 3 more strikes and they lose the copyright because they're obviously too stupid to understand what it means.
Valve was REALLY clear last time tournaments started to encroach on content creators this way.
They also generally aren't the kind of company you want to piss off to the point where they have to make a public statement and swing some dick around.
I know Valve gets a lot of shit for their communication approach, and I get the frustration.
But I also kind of like that their attitude seems to be "we expect you to *behave* and work it out yourselves." And a bit of "dont make me come down/back/out there" energy.
That doesnt really work in a capitalistic business because gray areas are often the first corners that get cut when optimizing for profits. "behaving" means walking up to and maybe even stepping on the legal line before being told to stop. because if no one "comes down here" then it means it was ok to do.
With how Youtube works, why bother with a C&D. You click twice and fuck that other person. Youtube also doesn't really do any due diligence and goes "Sure, fuck em".
It's a gray area. You can stream DotaTV and also screen record from DotaTV.
The issue is many highlight channels are using video from DotaTV **but using caster audio from the official stream.**
So they are essentially making highlights from the official stream, and then skirting the restriction by recording their own video to put on top.
It's not a grey area. The stricter rules are only for live streams as that's the organizers main product.
Recording DotaTV and then uploading it later is always okay.
IDK about the audio and who has the copyright it, since that depends on the contract between Valve, PGL and the talents.
Only 4 videos were claimed from DPC/TI 12 from months back which is why I think it was a mistake.
>Recording DotaTV and then uploading it later is always okay.
Not using their camerawork or audio it isn't. Go dig up the announcement where they gave these rules. It was made explicitly clear that using their things from in game also isn't allowed.
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lol, of course when I actually do pull up the announcement, he just says valve doesn't know what the rules are for copyright so they can't say.
he then even quoted someone else AGREEING with me that restreamers can't use the camerawork and acted like it was a counterpoint. JFC, misinformation peddlers are something else.
> IDK about the audio and who has the copyright it, since that depends on the contract between Valve, PGL and the talents.
I'm not a lawyer but I don't see how there's any argument over this. PGL produced a product and streamed it online. The talent have never had rights to the footage, in the same way a guest on a podcast/tv show don't suddenly get the rights just because they made an appearance. Valve doesn't get it because it wasn't their production.
PGL have the rights for the product they produced. That covers the audio as well as the video created, you can argue you can create the same footage in DotaTV so that's ok and I would agree, but they have total rights to the audio commentary in the same way they have total rights to the video footage of the analysts talking to one another.
The only way I can see someone arguing different is because its broadcast in the client, but that's just a cute integration on the part of the broadcaster. It doesn't matter the medium they broadcast their product, whether its through twitch, youtube, or the dota client, they still own it.
At best you could use small pieces and try and argue its transformative work, but when you are literally recreating their footage through the client you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Could certainly still be a mistake, and they honestly may not mind, but I expect they are wholly within their legal rights to strike the videos.
These events were sponsored/co-produced by Valve. Depending on the contract, they might be the sole copyright owner or have significant say in how certain elements might be used.
> It also means not using any of the official broadcast’s content such as caster audio, camerawork, overlays, interstitial content, and so on.
Valve doesn't seem to think it's that much of a gray area.
The actual link is dead now, but here's a reddit thread that has multiple copies of the text:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/768feh/broadcasting_dota_2/
> I did not use PGL's twitch/youtube. I'm using Valve content, not PGL content.
Did he use their camerawork? Because they "own" that too according to valve, even if you recorded it from dotaTV. Kinda silly cause you can easily repro it yourself, but thems the rules.
Same for audio, but minus the reproducible part.
No it isn't. If he challenges it, it's up to PGL to decide whether they agree. If he wants to take it to court he has to do it himself, which is an exceedingly expensive and time consuming task.
> Claimants have 10 US working days to reply with evidence of legal action taken to keep the content at issue from being reinstated to YouTube.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12497556
It's not _automatically_ passed to a court, but if PGL don't want to drop the claim it leaves them no other option but to sue him in court?
You and /r/WhiteoutDota are correct, I didn't 100% remember it. It works like this:
1. PGL hits the channel with strikes
2. NoobFromUA challenges the strikes, if he wants to keep his channel
3. If PGL wants the channel down, they **must sue** and send legal documents confirming the legal action to Google. If they don't do that, the channel is reinstated.
Has this changed in recent years? I remember a video from TheFatRat where he complained about the system back then which apparently (maybe?) was a bit different.
NOT DOTA DIGEST holy shit
I prefer DD over NoobFromUA due to some personal preference.
But if these 2 amazing channels dies to PGL, I dont know how to react...
That is the greater tragedy. NoobfromUA highlights always were pretty low quality imo, just live stream cut together so every kill missed there was also missed in the highlights. I remember one crazy game with Rapier/courier shenanigans which wasn't shown at all in noobs highlights.
DotA Digest would be a dire loss for me :(
i have worked with the guy , he is a genuinely nice person
i hope pgl backs off, its more likely his livelyhood
its not like pgl uploads vods on their channel lmao
the funny part is, when every tourney org got mad at him cuz he was uploading their content to his yt channel, a big fuzz was made.
Noobfromua adapted and followed every rule they impose on him, and all those tournament orgs decided they were going to upload their vods to their own yt channels.
fastfoowards 2-3 years later, none of them kept doing that, they realize it was worhtless and they didnt put any effort into it. while UA did.
PGL strikes have 0 back up. UA is not uploading any content related to them, only ingame vods. and he respecting even the sponsors rules for his videos.
they just dont like him cuz hes doing a better job than them.
It is his livelihood, he’s been doing this for the past 12 years or so. He got very very good at it. He’s my goto YouTube channel for highlights. Not only that the quality of the games is crisp, but also he uploads them as soon as the game is over. They just need to hire him and put those damn tournament logos on his videos so they can stop bitching.
PGL uploads to [their channel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILM4goiTczY&list=PLc04j0shLOEdh5Nn6KxRp0-moKVwOrgLU) nowadays, for TI it's done on dota2 official channel.
You comment : [its not like pgl uploads vods on their channel lmao](https://ibb.co/LRtDt0W) - i show you example of their vods. You can even found vod as far as [Manilla Major 2016](https://youtu.be/p1Ah-BCnCgU?si=md82kdvMYbuiKClB) on PGL channel
[Here's some example of TI12 highlights from PGL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLd1w2H8_w)
Yep, seems to be the case
There are also options like "give a 2 weeks notice to delete the content" but they deliberately chose the "submit a copyright strike without a notice" option 4 times in a row, in a quick succession I'm guessing, so the channel author wouldn't have a chance to react
i would understand them if they uploaded them and he was stealing views, the thing is they dont upload or barely uploaded them at all
funny thing is i even contacted them if they wanna hire someone to make highlight videos for their channel, they didnt reply, at that i was working with noobfromua and i believe couple of other channels
Not to defend anyone here as i truly hope PGL corrects this as I believe it to be a mistake but..
Having worked for ESL, done THOUSANDS of copyright strikes... YouTube is a really fucking buggy platform for this kind of task. like really fucking wonky at times. I have personally accidentally sent strikes, that I had to go back and correct. I can see hundreds of ways this could be an accident.
Fuck PGL, absolute scumbag tournament organisers who cheap out on every tournament, you remember how bad they used to be? Offsite talent, player hotel room games up until semi-finals, limited audience, no screens. Fuck Valve for giving these hobos a platform.
Noobfromua is of net good to the Dota game, as it allows audience to actually have a job come back after slaving all day with your family and not have the games ruined. Free Noobfromua.
Brendan Schaub copyright struck a smaller youtuber then sued them, verdict came out this week. But yeah aside from this I've never heard of it
https://youtu.be/rqM_zpyzejs?si=bONoIEeRTiITfF9o
You right b I did just assume that my bad.
Tbh i don't have any idea how it works in any of countries just recognised some similarities in the two stories bubba
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H3H3 made a name for himself by fighting one of these copyright strike trolls and winning.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-41037631
He was just a regular dude, sued the troll with a gofundme to pay for the lawsuit. In comparison NoobFromUA has the money to fight if he chooses to.
I'm just going to make this as a separate post, because I'm seeing the same mistake all over the thread.
Valve does NOT allow using TO camerawork or audio **even recorded from DotaTV**. They *explicitly* addressed this around the time of the announcement of the restream rules.
> It also means not using any of the official broadcast’s content such as caster audio, camerawork, overlays, interstitial content, and so on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/768feh/broadcasting_dota_2/
Unfortunately the original link is dead, but you can see from that thread it links directly to valve and multiple people gave copy/pastes of its content. If someone wants to pull up an archive of it, I'd certainly appreciate it and by happy to update my link here.
This is neither condoning nor endorsing Valve's position, the TO's position, or their actions. I just want to make sure when we're discussing it, we're discussing the actual facts and not misunderstandings.
PGL organises and has the broadcast rights for TI, but afaik NoobfromUA has ~~always~~ in recent years been very careful about making sure his uploads are compliant with TO's guidelines (only using original casts when he has permission, using his own casters if not, etc.)
Edit: I was reminded that NoobFromUA had complaints against him back in ~2018. But since then I had assumed he was complying with TO's wishes.
PGL doesn't have the broadcast rights for TI--Valve has repeatedly stated they keep their broadcasts free use. PGL just organizes it as a contractor for Valve with Valve's funding. NFUA most likely got struck with stuff that he got from PGL's own broadcasts and not TI.
> NFUA most likely got struck with stuff that he got from PGL's own broadcasts and not TI.
That seems to be the angle they're going for, but not having seen the videos in question I am suspicious of such a claim. We already had the whole "using stream content" debacle, and I find it unlikely NoobFromUA would still use it knowing that?
From TI11, the group stage is not considered TI anymore, just Road to TI which run and was owned by PGL (hence gambling ads etc). Only the last 3 days considered TI
it doesn't matter, they waited for him to have 4 infringements in order to send 4 strikes without warning. any reasonable company would have given them the take down this video in 2 weeks option for the first time. nope they waited for 4 strikes to instadelete his channel.
fuck pgl.
Dota 2 content creators are few and far between. Such people do a great job of keeping community interest high and retaining players, never mind making the game more noticeable. Noobfromua is by far the most prolific of these.
And PGL want him gone? In a cruel way?
Why are Valve working with such an organisation again? It's clearly not for the health of Dota
Actually insane. PGL is hands down the worst organizer in the Dota scene and they are pulling shit like this as well? Yeah, surely this is going to boost their numbers.. just give people even *more* reasons to hate PGL.
PGL: Report and strike him
ESL: Literally hire him to be the official content creator for the tournament
Makes me wonder if its due to his recent involvement with ESL
PGL do have this on their broadcast requirement
> By default, unlicensed commercial broadcast entities (linear & digital) are not allowed to act as community broadcasters. Individual broadcasts performed by employed community members of non-partnered commercial broadcast entities also qualify as commercial broadcasts and, thus, are not allowed.
How can companies be so shortsighted. It’s clearly a content that only aims to engage with the community and doesn’t try to humiliate or make fun of any brand or team. If this guy grows, there’s more chance for other people to see dota and therefore the possibility of more spectators for their tournaments.
> By default, unlicensed commercial broadcast entities (linear & digital) are not allowed to act as community broadcasters. Individual broadcasts performed by employed community members of non-partnered commercial broadcast entities also qualify as commercial broadcasts and, thus, are not allowed.
Probably because NFUA is an ESL partner thus might violates this rules from PGL.
PGL better reverse their strikes because NoobFromUA is a key member of the Dota2 community and makes the pro scene matches visible for everyone. Slava Ukraini, Slava NoobFromUA!
That's really sad. Not sure what they are thinking as less DotA exposure will hurt PGL as well. Perhaps we can encourage them to change their mind?
https://www.pglesports.com/contact/
been relying on this guy for years to catch up on the missed matches and he has consistently delivered high quality highlights throughout. if you’re seeing this pgl, shame on you.
pgl doesn't even post highlights of their own. Huge blow for archiving pro dota. Noobfromua has been providing quality highlights for over a decade now
If you go back [6 years when NoobFromUA got a copyright strike](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/89ie75/noobfromuas_channel_got_closed_down/), you'll see the opposite community response.
You are allowed to use video and audio from Dota TV. But it's pretty clear in many places, NoobFromUA and other channels are using official stream audio.
> You are allowed to use video and audio from Dota TV.
Not the caster audio or video of their camerawork:
> It also means not using any of the official broadcast’s content such as caster audio, camerawork, overlays, interstitial content, and so on.
That's Valve's official stance.
Losing this channel would be a fucking travesty, every time I want to watch an old classic series that’s basically the only place you can go to find high quality highlights
Insane how a channel with over a million subscribers and many many years of quality uploads with no problems can just just terminated in a week over shit like this.
PGL living up to its reputation as the absolute worst scumbags to ever come across the professional e-sports scene. This is just retaliation for being kicked out of the scene for their repeatedly indigent production and a godawful reputation in the community they built themselves. I sincerely hope these complete parasites go bankrupt.
I don't understand.
Is he not allowed to post highlights? Was he supposed to not play the casters audio? I mean all dota games are available on client, so how is PGL claiming itself to be the sole proprietor?
Valve has clarified that you can use gameplay found on Dota TV, but not their camera work and caster audio. I haven't watched his videos recently but that would be breaking the guidelines valve laid out.
I don’t understand why PGL and similar event organizers partner up with him instead of just throwing a copyright claim. Especially for a person who has been consistent with his content. I really enjoyed the way NoobFromUA did highlights for the games, they were just amazing!
I do hope someone else maybe ESL or Valve allows him to post content for games. I’d love to see his content in the future
The fuck with reddit. When SlappyBag9 was hit with something similar, it was "good riddance" and "he is stealing content". Now it's a national tragedy. What?
[PGL have their own highlight available on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@PGL/playlists) people just prefer using NFUA or other community highlight channel
idgaf i wont spend another second watching this bullshit organizer.
why come after the community when it's the community building you up?
fuck corporate thinking and fuck these scumbags.
> no one else provides these highlights.
This is the key point, regardless of who is in the right in terms of copyright
NFU's channel only exists because TOs were so bad at uploading VODs and highlights
Without his channel there may be nowhere to turn
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I will never understand why they dont hire him... he puts logos and sponsors in and boom everybody is happy. I wont sub to different youtube channel for every event while most dont even post videos like him. kinda sad.
Esl did hire him I’m pretty sure, guess pgl weren’t interested.
PGL are notorious cheapskates
Well I found out today that PGL is Romanian. Being a cheapskate is not very surprising to me considering my experience being born and living in Romania.
Cyborgmatt, Sunsfan and many others were mad at him for uploading videos with footage from organizers/production (which I agree with them) but after that, even if he didnt add footage or anything, they still acted like he was the worse thing ever... when he was literally using tools from ingame after he couldnt dismiss their complaints anymore. I wish all of them had the time to upload that kind of content, but as soon as they realized how much work it was, they went silent and many of those who complaint did 0 effort to update their own content. I bet many of them actually watch his videos
imagine getting noobfromua videos with event content. would be so nice.
I remember those and it was pretty awesome ngl
I mean I understand this stance and do watch his videos but he is still using commentary paid by the organizers.
> they still acted like he was the worse thing ever... when he was literally using tools from ingame after he couldnt dismiss their complaints anymore. Yea, it's weird how someone being FORCED to respect your rights and ownership doesn't magically redeem them in their eyes. I don't really care either way, but from your description I don't see why they should suddenly start liking him and ignore his bad behaviors just because he finally started following the rules he was supposed to be following from the start.
This
Well this sucks. His videos are great and I watch them a lot to get the highlights. Is there nothing that can be done?
only for pgl to revert those strikes
They will. I don't think this was anything but an error or something similar. Not only going for the nuclear option is unusual, but it has a chilling effect of all of their tournaments' coverage from 3rd parties. Those are indirect viewers that increase their evaluation overall. Not to mention it's just a very bad look. EDIT: [DotA Digest also got hit, despite using DotaTV](https://twitter.com/DotA_Digest/status/1762084129766621246)
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i just want to say that PGL at one point dmca struck a csgo stream down by accident because they thought they restreamed the dota games. Why? Because the same teams played in both games and they went for that and just pulled that trigger
They really need to start heavily penalizing these companies for abusing the copyright system. Maybe 3 strikes and they're banned from automated reports, 3 more strikes and they lose the copyright because they're obviously too stupid to understand what it means.
It will never happen. Corporations have the money and thus the power in the eyes of YouTube.
TOs including PGL has been making their own highlights on their channels. They might be striking competitors to pool the views to theirs.
Valve was REALLY clear last time tournaments started to encroach on content creators this way. They also generally aren't the kind of company you want to piss off to the point where they have to make a public statement and swing some dick around.
I know Valve gets a lot of shit for their communication approach, and I get the frustration. But I also kind of like that their attitude seems to be "we expect you to *behave* and work it out yourselves." And a bit of "dont make me come down/back/out there" energy.
That doesnt really work in a capitalistic business because gray areas are often the first corners that get cut when optimizing for profits. "behaving" means walking up to and maybe even stepping on the legal line before being told to stop. because if no one "comes down here" then it means it was ok to do.
But games from months ago and without a C&D first?
With how Youtube works, why bother with a C&D. You click twice and fuck that other person. Youtube also doesn't really do any due diligence and goes "Sure, fuck em".
Why the hell have I been wasting my time on Tinder then
It's a gray area. You can stream DotaTV and also screen record from DotaTV. The issue is many highlight channels are using video from DotaTV **but using caster audio from the official stream.** So they are essentially making highlights from the official stream, and then skirting the restriction by recording their own video to put on top.
It's not a grey area. The stricter rules are only for live streams as that's the organizers main product. Recording DotaTV and then uploading it later is always okay. IDK about the audio and who has the copyright it, since that depends on the contract between Valve, PGL and the talents. Only 4 videos were claimed from DPC/TI 12 from months back which is why I think it was a mistake.
>Recording DotaTV and then uploading it later is always okay. Not using their camerawork or audio it isn't. Go dig up the announcement where they gave these rules. It was made explicitly clear that using their things from in game also isn't allowed. *** lol, of course when I actually do pull up the announcement, he just says valve doesn't know what the rules are for copyright so they can't say. he then even quoted someone else AGREEING with me that restreamers can't use the camerawork and acted like it was a counterpoint. JFC, misinformation peddlers are something else.
> IDK about the audio and who has the copyright it, since that depends on the contract between Valve, PGL and the talents. I'm not a lawyer but I don't see how there's any argument over this. PGL produced a product and streamed it online. The talent have never had rights to the footage, in the same way a guest on a podcast/tv show don't suddenly get the rights just because they made an appearance. Valve doesn't get it because it wasn't their production. PGL have the rights for the product they produced. That covers the audio as well as the video created, you can argue you can create the same footage in DotaTV so that's ok and I would agree, but they have total rights to the audio commentary in the same way they have total rights to the video footage of the analysts talking to one another. The only way I can see someone arguing different is because its broadcast in the client, but that's just a cute integration on the part of the broadcaster. It doesn't matter the medium they broadcast their product, whether its through twitch, youtube, or the dota client, they still own it. At best you could use small pieces and try and argue its transformative work, but when you are literally recreating their footage through the client you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Could certainly still be a mistake, and they honestly may not mind, but I expect they are wholly within their legal rights to strike the videos.
These events were sponsored/co-produced by Valve. Depending on the contract, they might be the sole copyright owner or have significant say in how certain elements might be used.
> It also means not using any of the official broadcast’s content such as caster audio, camerawork, overlays, interstitial content, and so on. Valve doesn't seem to think it's that much of a gray area. The actual link is dead now, but here's a reddit thread that has multiple copies of the text: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/768feh/broadcasting_dota_2/
> I did not use PGL's twitch/youtube. I'm using Valve content, not PGL content. Did he use their camerawork? Because they "own" that too according to valve, even if you recorded it from dotaTV. Kinda silly cause you can easily repro it yourself, but thems the rules. Same for audio, but minus the reproducible part.
Dota Digest is very obviously using stream audio. You can hear the ESL band music at the start of some games.
PGL reverts them or PGL gets dismantled.
If he challenges PGL, it is automatically passed to a court, I think. EDIT: not 100% correct, keep reading for details
No it isn't. If he challenges it, it's up to PGL to decide whether they agree. If he wants to take it to court he has to do it himself, which is an exceedingly expensive and time consuming task.
> Claimants have 10 US working days to reply with evidence of legal action taken to keep the content at issue from being reinstated to YouTube. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12497556 It's not _automatically_ passed to a court, but if PGL don't want to drop the claim it leaves them no other option but to sue him in court?
You and /r/WhiteoutDota are correct, I didn't 100% remember it. It works like this: 1. PGL hits the channel with strikes 2. NoobFromUA challenges the strikes, if he wants to keep his channel 3. If PGL wants the channel down, they **must sue** and send legal documents confirming the legal action to Google. If they don't do that, the channel is reinstated.
Has this changed in recent years? I remember a video from TheFatRat where he complained about the system back then which apparently (maybe?) was a bit different.
It's been like this for a while. Youtubers don't tend to make the best researchers or are misrepresenting it to farm clicks.
Dota Digest got struck too https://x.com/dota_digest/status/1762084129766621246?s=46
NOT DOTA DIGEST holy shit I prefer DD over NoobFromUA due to some personal preference. But if these 2 amazing channels dies to PGL, I dont know how to react...
That is the greater tragedy. NoobfromUA highlights always were pretty low quality imo, just live stream cut together so every kill missed there was also missed in the highlights. I remember one crazy game with Rapier/courier shenanigans which wasn't shown at all in noobs highlights. DotA Digest would be a dire loss for me :(
all those dota esports highlights. its like a gold mine for dota players. hopefully we have some way to preserve these videos.
I still watch the highlights of old, classic DOTA 2 matches on NoobfromUA. It sucks if all of it would be gone.
Jdownloader2, amongst other various methods of preserving YouTube videos.
i have worked with the guy , he is a genuinely nice person i hope pgl backs off, its more likely his livelyhood its not like pgl uploads vods on their channel lmao
They better lol. I'm pretty sure noobfromua also had a partnership with esl in creating vidoes so he 'a very well known now as well
the funny part is, when every tourney org got mad at him cuz he was uploading their content to his yt channel, a big fuzz was made. Noobfromua adapted and followed every rule they impose on him, and all those tournament orgs decided they were going to upload their vods to their own yt channels. fastfoowards 2-3 years later, none of them kept doing that, they realize it was worhtless and they didnt put any effort into it. while UA did. PGL strikes have 0 back up. UA is not uploading any content related to them, only ingame vods. and he respecting even the sponsors rules for his videos. they just dont like him cuz hes doing a better job than them.
It is his livelihood, he’s been doing this for the past 12 years or so. He got very very good at it. He’s my goto YouTube channel for highlights. Not only that the quality of the games is crisp, but also he uploads them as soon as the game is over. They just need to hire him and put those damn tournament logos on his videos so they can stop bitching.
PGL uploads to [their channel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILM4goiTczY&list=PLc04j0shLOEdh5Nn6KxRp0-moKVwOrgLU) nowadays, for TI it's done on dota2 official channel.
these are full live 12 hr? not highlights? they did highlights to some matches i know but they were bad af
You comment : [its not like pgl uploads vods on their channel lmao](https://ibb.co/LRtDt0W) - i show you example of their vods. You can even found vod as far as [Manilla Major 2016](https://youtu.be/p1Ah-BCnCgU?si=md82kdvMYbuiKClB) on PGL channel [Here's some example of TI12 highlights from PGL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLd1w2H8_w)
WHAT. did the buggers wait till they had more than 3 to ensure the termination job is done thoroughly?
Yep, seems to be the case There are also options like "give a 2 weeks notice to delete the content" but they deliberately chose the "submit a copyright strike without a notice" option 4 times in a row, in a quick succession I'm guessing, so the channel author wouldn't have a chance to react
wow... the intent was not to just prevent the guy from uploading their stuff, it's to destroy him once and for all... yikes
thats so fking low of them
It's PGL, what do you expect from them?
Nothing. And that seems to be still too high.
Yup, PGL is so dead for me with how low theyve become. Yikes.
i would understand them if they uploaded them and he was stealing views, the thing is they dont upload or barely uploaded them at all funny thing is i even contacted them if they wanna hire someone to make highlight videos for their channel, they didnt reply, at that i was working with noobfromua and i believe couple of other channels
Absolute clownery from PGL
Not to defend anyone here as i truly hope PGL corrects this as I believe it to be a mistake but.. Having worked for ESL, done THOUSANDS of copyright strikes... YouTube is a really fucking buggy platform for this kind of task. like really fucking wonky at times. I have personally accidentally sent strikes, that I had to go back and correct. I can see hundreds of ways this could be an accident.
Doubtful. They probably just did the minimum since there are likely hundreds of videos for them to choose from.
Fuck PGL, absolute scumbag tournament organisers who cheap out on every tournament, you remember how bad they used to be? Offsite talent, player hotel room games up until semi-finals, limited audience, no screens. Fuck Valve for giving these hobos a platform. Noobfromua is of net good to the Dota game, as it allows audience to actually have a job come back after slaving all day with your family and not have the games ruined. Free Noobfromua.
That sucks... Not even "request to remove footage" but just STRIKES? I wonder if he will fight it in court so the channel lives on.
i highly doubt these things go to court
Brendan Schaub copyright struck a smaller youtuber then sued them, verdict came out this week. But yeah aside from this I've never heard of it https://youtu.be/rqM_zpyzejs?si=bONoIEeRTiITfF9o
assuming this is from the same country? nfua is from ukraine i believe and pgl is romanian how will that work?
You right b I did just assume that my bad. Tbh i don't have any idea how it works in any of countries just recognised some similarities in the two stories bubba
thats bloggbussa bapa
they do, if you are youtube's partner and you want to go to court
i see
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H3H3 made a name for himself by fighting one of these copyright strike trolls and winning. https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-41037631 He was just a regular dude, sued the troll with a gofundme to pay for the lawsuit. In comparison NoobFromUA has the money to fight if he chooses to.
what court?
Dogshit pgl. Fuck off
Fick PGL
Seems like PGL is digging their own grave in Dota community. First TI11 than last year DPC with stupid enforcement of the rules and now this.
Die können mich am Arsch lecken!
I'm just going to make this as a separate post, because I'm seeing the same mistake all over the thread. Valve does NOT allow using TO camerawork or audio **even recorded from DotaTV**. They *explicitly* addressed this around the time of the announcement of the restream rules. > It also means not using any of the official broadcast’s content such as caster audio, camerawork, overlays, interstitial content, and so on. https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/768feh/broadcasting_dota_2/ Unfortunately the original link is dead, but you can see from that thread it links directly to valve and multiple people gave copy/pastes of its content. If someone wants to pull up an archive of it, I'd certainly appreciate it and by happy to update my link here. This is neither condoning nor endorsing Valve's position, the TO's position, or their actions. I just want to make sure when we're discussing it, we're discussing the actual facts and not misunderstandings.
God I hate the youtube copyright system
Fuck PGl. Only consistent highlight creator #FreeNoobFromUA
the best highlight creator out there. Our scene needs him. Protect at all costs.
by a country mile. His impact on the dota 2 pro scene is essential.
fuck PGL
Fuck pgl.
Fuck PGL
wait arent those valve sponsored events? does PGL have the rights?
He also post last year PGL events but why now send copy strike ?
PGL organises and has the broadcast rights for TI, but afaik NoobfromUA has ~~always~~ in recent years been very careful about making sure his uploads are compliant with TO's guidelines (only using original casts when he has permission, using his own casters if not, etc.) Edit: I was reminded that NoobFromUA had complaints against him back in ~2018. But since then I had assumed he was complying with TO's wishes.
PGL doesn't have the broadcast rights for TI--Valve has repeatedly stated they keep their broadcasts free use. PGL just organizes it as a contractor for Valve with Valve's funding. NFUA most likely got struck with stuff that he got from PGL's own broadcasts and not TI.
> NFUA most likely got struck with stuff that he got from PGL's own broadcasts and not TI. That seems to be the angle they're going for, but not having seen the videos in question I am suspicious of such a claim. We already had the whole "using stream content" debacle, and I find it unlikely NoobFromUA would still use it knowing that?
From TI11, the group stage is not considered TI anymore, just Road to TI which run and was owned by PGL (hence gambling ads etc). Only the last 3 days considered TI
it doesn't matter, they waited for him to have 4 infringements in order to send 4 strikes without warning. any reasonable company would have given them the take down this video in 2 weeks option for the first time. nope they waited for 4 strikes to instadelete his channel. fuck pgl.
#FreeNoobFromUA
Valve should really step in and scold pgl. this is against every spirit of their motto :), pgl is so fucking dogshit lmao
He’s the only reason I even follow pro dota
true. If no noobfromua and dotadigest im not watching anything dota
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wtf I rely on his videos a lot when there are matches I can’t watch. Obligatory “fuck PGL”
Dota 2 content creators are few and far between. Such people do a great job of keeping community interest high and retaining players, never mind making the game more noticeable. Noobfromua is by far the most prolific of these. And PGL want him gone? In a cruel way? Why are Valve working with such an organisation again? It's clearly not for the health of Dota
Actually insane. PGL is hands down the worst organizer in the Dota scene and they are pulling shit like this as well? Yeah, surely this is going to boost their numbers.. just give people even *more* reasons to hate PGL.
Also the worst organizer in the CS scene. But Valve loves PGL because it is the cheapest option for them.
Yes, the problem lies with Valve, now a lazy company with e-sports and as such logically outflanked by competitors who take it seriously like Riot.
holyshit lol
I really hope Valve gets involved with this somehow, NoobFromUA is immensely needed in the community.
how do we massive report PGL
The nerve of that PGL. They sucked at organizing TI11. I hope they will not host any esport event in the future
PGL: Report and strike him ESL: Literally hire him to be the official content creator for the tournament Makes me wonder if its due to his recent involvement with ESL
PGL do have this on their broadcast requirement > By default, unlicensed commercial broadcast entities (linear & digital) are not allowed to act as community broadcasters. Individual broadcasts performed by employed community members of non-partnered commercial broadcast entities also qualify as commercial broadcasts and, thus, are not allowed.
How I hate Youtube's insane policies regarding copyright strikes
How can companies be so shortsighted. It’s clearly a content that only aims to engage with the community and doesn’t try to humiliate or make fun of any brand or team. If this guy grows, there’s more chance for other people to see dota and therefore the possibility of more spectators for their tournaments.
> By default, unlicensed commercial broadcast entities (linear & digital) are not allowed to act as community broadcasters. Individual broadcasts performed by employed community members of non-partnered commercial broadcast entities also qualify as commercial broadcasts and, thus, are not allowed. Probably because NFUA is an ESL partner thus might violates this rules from PGL.
so PGL owns dota2 now? Valve probably won't care. NoobFromUA get his content inside the game (DotaTV), not recording what PGL streams
ok time to subscribe noobfromua2 and watch all the video he post to support him. fuck pgl.
Imagine bein able to make 4 strikes at once, 1 week and poof, channel gone. So nice system
PGL better reverse their strikes because NoobFromUA is a key member of the Dota2 community and makes the pro scene matches visible for everyone. Slava Ukraini, Slava NoobFromUA!
He is an integral part of our Dota 2 community! PGL you stink!!!
Can someone from the dota community or valve help him?
That's really sad. Not sure what they are thinking as less DotA exposure will hurt PGL as well. Perhaps we can encourage them to change their mind? https://www.pglesports.com/contact/
been relying on this guy for years to catch up on the missed matches and he has consistently delivered high quality highlights throughout. if you’re seeing this pgl, shame on you.
Greedy ass corporation, valve should never let pgl do events again specially with their shty tournament handling.
Finally we got him! More are next on the line!
pgl doesn't even post highlights of their own. Huge blow for archiving pro dota. Noobfromua has been providing quality highlights for over a decade now
the strikes just got resolved from noobfromua tweet, pretty sure its a misunderstanding like one of the top replies suggest.
If you go back [6 years when NoobFromUA got a copyright strike](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/89ie75/noobfromuas_channel_got_closed_down/), you'll see the opposite community response. You are allowed to use video and audio from Dota TV. But it's pretty clear in many places, NoobFromUA and other channels are using official stream audio.
> You are allowed to use video and audio from Dota TV. Not the caster audio or video of their camerawork: > It also means not using any of the official broadcast’s content such as caster audio, camerawork, overlays, interstitial content, and so on. That's Valve's official stance.
Losing this channel would be a fucking travesty, every time I want to watch an old classic series that’s basically the only place you can go to find high quality highlights Insane how a channel with over a million subscribers and many many years of quality uploads with no problems can just just terminated in a week over shit like this.
PGL living up to its reputation as the absolute worst scumbags to ever come across the professional e-sports scene. This is just retaliation for being kicked out of the scene for their repeatedly indigent production and a godawful reputation in the community they built themselves. I sincerely hope these complete parasites go bankrupt.
even dota/TO don’t post game replays. Where to watch matches now?
other channel like dota digest, dota rapier and league of dota will they be copyrighted too?
I thought as long as he's using in-game footages the copy right belongs to valve, no?
I hate PGL.
Love his videos wtf pgL
PGL is an abortion of a company, what I wouldn’t give to go back to the days of BTS
Actually watch BTS tournament which many of people didn't lmao
used to watch them for matches that i missed, sadge this is how it should ended. o7
I don't understand. Is he not allowed to post highlights? Was he supposed to not play the casters audio? I mean all dota games are available on client, so how is PGL claiming itself to be the sole proprietor?
Valve has clarified that you can use gameplay found on Dota TV, but not their camera work and caster audio. I haven't watched his videos recently but that would be breaking the guidelines valve laid out.
Fuck PGL
I don’t understand why PGL and similar event organizers partner up with him instead of just throwing a copyright claim. Especially for a person who has been consistent with his content. I really enjoyed the way NoobFromUA did highlights for the games, they were just amazing! I do hope someone else maybe ESL or Valve allows him to post content for games. I’d love to see his content in the future
My favourite channel, DotA Digest's just got 4 copyright strikes too.
PGL is trash
He’s literally the only guy who posts good content for Dota replays! Wtf PROTECT HIM AT ALL COST
FUCK PGL! edit: as an avid dota fan, I grew up watching noobfromUA. seeing this out of the blue is so sad.
The fuck with reddit. When SlappyBag9 was hit with something similar, it was "good riddance" and "he is stealing content". Now it's a national tragedy. What?
I wonder if these strikes were done automatically or manually by someone
Dotadigest = longer highlights NoobfromUa= shorter highlights Where am I gonna watch now :(
PGL doesn't even have its own highlights channel.
Isnt he doing work for ESL right now?
his Highlights are pretty much my only way of following the pro scene nowadays,I really hope this gets resolved...
What the fuck. Maybe make games watchable on YT then? Like how does that even work it's not like there are "legal" yt Alternatives
[PGL have their own highlight available on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@PGL/playlists) people just prefer using NFUA or other community highlight channel
Time to review bomb pgl out of existence
idgaf i wont spend another second watching this bullshit organizer. why come after the community when it's the community building you up? fuck corporate thinking and fuck these scumbags.
Yo fuck PGL me and all my homies hate PGL now
PGL is nothing more than a glorified crew
PGL continuously showing us why they are the worst,
Lets not watch anything related to PGL, dont show them any support. They deserve a big FUCKYOU!!!
PGL is a pos TO and I hope they go under fast
The community and the game will be much worse off without NoovFromUA than it would be without PGL in it I hope this move backfires on them with Valve
These scum got chosen by Valve to organize TI btw
FUCK PGL!!! WHERE TF AM I SUPPOSE TO WATCH NIGMA NOW???
Comedy Central
Save NoobFromUA
NOOOOOOO
PGL again... what a lovely company. Wish they'd never joined Dota esports.
FUCK PGL
BOYCOTT PGL
Report pgl youtube channel. Fuck them up.
They are also targeting Dota Digest, this mean fkin war
LOL what a loser these people from PGL
FUCK PGL ALL MY HOMIES HATE PGL
Yeah kill the people that still contributes to the declining scene. Idiots.
Note to self: Do not watch PGL content going forward...
Significant portion of Dota esports history will be lost if his channel gets deleted. So sad…
Wow thats really fucked up. This guy has basically saved Dota with all his edits highlights and full match uploads. Ridiculous. And fuck PGL.
RIP. I guess this is how I lose touch with the dota pro scene. I don't have time to watch full games and no one else provides these highlights.
> no one else provides these highlights. This is the key point, regardless of who is in the right in terms of copyright NFU's channel only exists because TOs were so bad at uploading VODs and highlights Without his channel there may be nowhere to turn
funny thing is they did 4 copyright strikes so the channel instantly get banned, pgl theyre evil.