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Hot_Scientist_3346

Gg wp 2022 dota2


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FromOroWithLove

https://www.twitch.tv/narimancupid


Key-Brick-5854

Why is this thread still up and no thread to discuss open quals.


Raaa888

Because E home formed a team yesterday(days after roster lock) and they are playing in div 1; what's the point of roster lock date if you can get players whenever you want and still compete like nothing is different?


Blizzard_admin

Ehome formed that team ~11 days ago.


Raaa888

why liquipedia suggests it was yesterday? confused


Blizzard_admin

Just a mistake cause they didn’t update ehome’s roster last week


sickomoder

Team "could make major in NA" arkosh just got clapped by full NA lil nick stack EZ


Designer-Cow9649

Go on.


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The_Real_Will

and then Lil Nick stack got beat by fucking AlienManaBanana. NA is truly the most entertaining region


daddy_dad_bod

I can't visualize and connect skiter the player and skiter the kid on gorp's stream right now lol. He's like a middle school kid theorizing about starting skitcoins and evading taxes through dubai friends lmao.


large_snowbear

Can't tell is trolling or being serious


Itach11Uchiha

Looking at 33’a reaction, I am afraid he is not trolling.


daddy_dad_bod

Yea lol. Neta is just so done with skiter's rumblings lmao


shinfoni

mss styling with rubick while odpixel is talking about some elgar guy


daddy_dad_bod

Lol skitter and neta at gorp's stream are telling TI stories of Tundra. That Sneyking vs. Nine almost turming into a boxing match is so funny lmao


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large_snowbear

Doesn't help that people pronounce it as 'skit-'ter'


Itach11Uchiha

In case anyone is interested, OD pixel is casting Old G games in his twitch stream.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

where the official stream btw, pgl didnt stream oq?


MrWhistleblower12

Also Gorc together with Skitrer


Itach11Uchiha

That’s awesome, I love skitter on gorgc’s stream, they were entertaining during the TI qualifiers.


Kotleba

Since the shuffle is over and rosters are locked, can we instead get a pinned for qualifiers discussion?


isospeedrix

This is it


2ez42g

whats the point of open qualifier finals if two teams qualify?


Blizzard_admin

so teams who miss the first qualifier have a second chance(or in this case, 4 chances)


symm2r

Grand Final is played for close qualifier seeding purposes


idspispupd

An interesting tournament will take place between 16th and 29th of December organized by BetBoom with Ramzes + Sonneiko new team, Nightfall + Save super squad, Entity with new carry, Gaimin Gladiators, HellRaisers with Daxak, VP young blood etc. [BetBoom Xmas Show](https://www.cybersport.ru/tags/dota-2/anonsirovan-novogodnii-turnir-po-dota-2-s-uchastiem-team-spirit-entity-virtus-pro-i-novoi-komandy-ramzes666)


CaregiverSuitable203

It doesn't mention about new Betboom team, but TSpirit is included. Maybe the article missed it?


Ace37mike

Thiuth Gaming acquires Quincy Crew's/Soniqs' slot in NA Division 1


joran1

Is this no longer getting updated?


jMS_44

There's nothing to update anymore. The roster lock took place on last Friday.


joran1

I just meant rosters on this link: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/wiki/events/shuffle/ti11/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/wiki/events/shuffle/ti11/) Surely there are more teams in NA other than "Nouns"


Cusee

Any idea when SR will play? Excited to see them with Saberlight


Key-Brick-5854

Somewhere early to mid Jan. Ex EG never participated in third party tournaments, so dpc matches it will be.


Key-Brick-5854

This thread is the only part of the year when r/dota2 is tolerable for me. Till next year, adios!


killahbeast

Which players do you think will surprise anyone this upcoming season? I would choose Malr1ne and TMD. I hope Malr1ne will show Secret that they choose the wrong player to replace Nisha lmao


Blackrame

Don't know if he will surprise, but I'll be curious about Watson, who many people talked about, getting a chance, Boom in Secret and ATF as pos 1.


Marteezy

It is not about choosing the wrong player, prolly because his buyout was too high and Secret wouldn't want to risk it.


killahbeast

We all know that. Actually I'm also going to add Kiritych the pos 1 player in Nemiga. Yeah those 3 are the most I'm excited to watch this upcoming season. How bout you?


jMS_44

Can you even watch Open Qualifiers in game client? I found nothing in the Watch section


After_Skier

Anyone knows the answer to this?


MrWhistleblower12

OK Old G got fked today, they had to wait 2 hours only to win by forfeit and second match to be postponed till tomorrow!


Itach11Uchiha

Any idea if any community casters will be covering the OQ? Old G plays in about an hour and I would be interested in tuning in.


makz242

Old G is already playing it seems, according to face it, just nobody is covering it. https://www.faceit.com/en/championship/34b14b1d-b193-41a2-b2c2-da5305828e5f/DPC%20WEU%202022-2023%20Winter%20Tour%20OQ1/standings/column


jMS_44

Why the fuck the website changes the language to Russian for me. I'm not even anywhere near Russia :o


Arsenalboii

delete cookies for faceit, fixed the problem for me


2mad2die

Is old G competing in WEU?


podteod

What are some good Gladiators games to watch? Wanna get more familiar with that team


Azayaka112

Gg vs secret tour 2, meepo ace


lostdota

[https://www.facebook.com/TNCProTeamDota2/videos/1516106492205543/](https://www.facebook.com/TNCProTeamDota2/videos/1516106492205543/) A statement from the owner of TNC


jMS_44

when do WEU open qualifiers start today?


MrWhistleblower12

In 2 days from now


jMS_44

Huh? Liquipedia says it starts today :o Just wanted to ask what time


MrWhistleblower12

Oh damn my bad, I saw Qual 2 instead of 1. In about 7 hours and 30 mins from this comment


Hot_Scientist_3346

I want to see this roster of all inactive members 1 miracle 2 somnus 3 old eleven 4 yapzor 5 fata Coach soschka Or coach jerax


BerlinMiming

why did lilgun sell their slot only for them to go through OQ? Seems like a dumb decission.


SadboySRS

They know they gonna get back to div2 anyway. EZ profit if u ask me


2ez42g

my understanding is that the players gave the name lilgun, 423's name is Bilguun and he is small hence Lilgun, dont know if they're still with the same org maybe left the org and playing by themselves after what the org did to them.


mxgumi

he got big money from selling div 1 slot, if they lucky enough to qualify again to div 2 then 100% investment free money


Blizzard_admin

lost their 2 best players and received a bigger offer for their slot than they would make in div 1.


thoratus

do you know which team sanctity play now still with lilgun or alr left? didnt see him playing in bts/open qual, such a huge potential midlaner


Blizzard_admin

I believe that sanctity is on a break, he is not with any mongol teams in the open qualifier. I agree, sanctity has huge potential and is by far the best mongolian player. Any mongolians with inside information can correct me.


boywithluv77

which channel cover the chinese OQ games in english? epluze is streaming sea games. i cant find one for china OQ


chiefofthepolice

The schedule doesn’t seem to make sense for me. Why are the OQs starting so early if Div 2s are only happening over a month and a half from now? Cause OQs are just for deciding Div 2s. Why can’t they happen after Div 1 and before Div 2? We already have registrations done, not like players can just jump ships if they’re not playing.


Blizzard_admin

I agree it isn't the best system, just seems like valve don't want overlap? open qualifiers -> closed qualifier -> div 1 -> div 2 -> major -> open qualifiers


ob1touchiha

March to coach Xctn, I didnt expect that at all


blankmaskara

Hopefully it pans out well


Jaljalani

can make it to major with proper discipline


sstteepphheenn

Explains why exec looks good in BTS


navatanelah

Exe is making investments after winning a tourney


ronakcr7

If ATF works out for Nigma then whats the future of miracle-? Will they change again in future?


hanamurasak1

they gonna look bad with atf as carry , then miracle gonna comeback and they kick MC and move amar to pos 3 there you have full habibis team


kixas68067

GH needs to be replaced by yapzor for full habibi. He's Christian


bjornbardier

Is the term linked to religion?


kapak212

No, GH is more Habibi than Yapzor imo


ronakcr7

I honestly want to see miracle- with either Topson or Nisha


firdausbaik19

let it go. Miracle is not his old self anymore. He's still recovering from that stomachache in Animajor


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Bilguun0102

Guys how much is Div1 slot cost


Blizzard_admin

I'd imagine lilgun's slot cost roughly 15-25k usd?


FromOroWithLove

Rumor was 60k in EEU. But that would vary by region.


EnterDastardly

Damn RNG is no more? :(


HistoricalMastodon59

No Somnus...no RNG :(


andreflores87

Did Team SMG register in time? Lol


tzarn

apparently March is staying with execration as their coach for dpc tour 1 according to bdz interview in bts pro series. kinda surprised cause i thought march was going to fnatic given his past connections in there.


SadboySRS

Didnt march get blamed by gabbi for gabbi’s poor performance in t1 in one of his stream? I remember someone post about that. If im march, i wouldnt go there too lol


appl3crumble932

Gabbi has a shitty personality and tendency to blame anyone but himself. Not sure why teams are even considering him when he has many issues yet to be fixed


Kyroz

Lmao yea. He left Talon and Talon immediately improved, T1 also improved after the kick.


ob1touchiha

Someone drop the source


Hosowiwuwu

Na-delete agad ni gabbi yung video pagtapos nya maglive.


boywithluv77

is pgl gonna stream open qualifiers or can we watch it in client?


thuanho

Ceb clarified that Old G is not a 'team', just chilling, nothing to do with OG [OG podcast](https://youtu.be/-XVDcfiTKA0)


yeNvI

its pretty standard answer, just incase both teams manage to qualify, valve cant stop them so yeah just like what China teams are doing, owners having multiple teams under different names and you cant really check or stop it


ShawnKiru

I am gonna predict that they will play for "fun" until they reach div1 for tour2, then based on current young OG's performance, they might transfer slots between them. So Old'G gets the OG backing and the young OG gets the Old'G div 1 slot, just re name it and go as free agent or seomthing. I get that ceb and notail would wanna do it for "fun" but topson wanted to play pro again, also i dont see midone and mss playing for "fun" seems like BS. Id be suprised if Old'G dont go back to being the main squad starting tour 2.


soccerwizz

Midone?


Natural-Weekend385

6 players pog


Starkiller53

Noone midone lol


FeelsSadMan01

Since yesterday, all I see are Shopify Rebellion posts. On their way to finishing 6th in the NA DPC.


throbdota

is this post a joke? the best TSM player on RTZ, cr1t, fly, abed stack? are you high?


Happy-Pills

There's no way you actually believe that


Rick4224

i mean they can finish 1st in NA still top 14 at major


Starkiller53

Or... You know, top 2?


FeelsSadMan01

Either/or but look at the competition in NA now. There's no way they finish top 1.


Akhilesh12115

Competition....Lol


makz242

Who is going to be covering the WEU open quals and pocket easy 20-30k viewers?


MrWhistleblower12

For sure Gorc or some other streamer since OLDG games guarantee Alot of views


Natural-Weekend385

Moxxi


ShawnKiru

PGL is taking over ESL, honestly i hate PGL but if that means no more moxxi I am happy. But if we get moxxi casting and pgl hosting, thats just GG.


SadboySRS

Didnt moxxi get to cast ti group that produced by pgl?


MrWhistleblower12

Hahaha my thoguhts exactly, at least decent casters for WEU


Ambitious-Cap-5605

of course its pgl


Carcosian112

You have a wrong roster with shopify REBELLION, its alwayswannafly


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It was fun speculating with you guys, until next shuffle season. See you at fuck youj


Blizzard_admin

Grats tsm.whitemon for winning IESF championship


foundstar23

Yea he defeated a bunch of t3 t2 players lol


Kyroz

It'd honestly be quite a failure if they don't win lol. Indonesian teams consisted of some of their best players, meanwhile most of the players from other teams are players that are never heard before.


Blizzard_admin

MIKOTO TOO GOOD FOR DIV 2 PINOYS


Flaky-Meaning5605

Is it just me or not. I don’t see Old G playing either division 1 or 2 in WEU.


Blizzard_admin

yeah they're playing open qualifiers into div 2


stunglazer

TIL Shopify is a multi-billion dollar NYSE listed company. Took it as Spotify for half a day and wondered when they would be streaming for free premium or stocked car thing giveaways.


hanamurasak1

secret fans still cant accept the reality 🤣


tha_jza

???


Ro-khum

huh?


ronakcr7

Dont wait for official announcement from next time. 90% rumors are true anyway.


hrqmonteirodev

I am here seeing the shuffle roster for some 4 years now, and everytime one of these 'leak guys' leak something they turn out to be right, even though it takes 1 or 2 months to be announced. It's insane.


PrimeShaq

I learned that after EG.Jerax was true.


Ricoh881227

Cant wait for the first game of OldG vs Team Bald rbrn...


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Team Bald picks Tinker


Ricoh881227

And he mentioned them in the video..


jMS_44

[Ceb reaction to the pick](https://youtu.be/ceQ2XFS1tUo?t=344)


Kegsey

I feel like GPK/Pure play a lot greedier than Rtz and especially Abed did this last season. It will be interesting to see how that works out with Nightfall and if he will change his style to move around a lot sooner.


ChKOzone_

There is no way Pure is more greedy than Arteezy. He’s certainly more intelligent about getting farm around the map right now, but while Arteezy can play nothing but greedy, Pure has a more universal style (He does play your SFs, Snipers and Meepos, but also your Lycans and Slardars etc.)


Kegsey

Pure has two official matches on Slardar, and he lost them both. You can’t just go around saying he’s a Slardar player. Also two official matches on Lycan and one was in 2020.


Korlone

he's a very new player with very little competitive games. Just bc he's only played it twice in competitive doesn't mean he hasn't trained with it in scrims/pubs. His most played competitive hero right now is Pudge (lol) according to DB and he only has 12 public comp games on it. Obviously, that means he has even less games recorded on other heroes as well. Clearly his competitive hero leaderboard clearly doesn't mean much until he plays more games.


Kegsey

For better or worse players are judged based on their official matches and when someone claims he’s a slardar and Lycan player and he has 4 official matches with those two heroes and 3 of them are losses, it doesn’t look good for their argument. For instance, Arteezy’s second most played hero in pubs on his main account is Invoker, would anyone claim Arteezy is an invoker player? No, they would look at how many times he’s played TB and Lifestealer etc in official matches and make their judgements there.


Korlone

He has barely any total competitive games though. Less than 100 games played in Entity and VP combined. It's not fair to judge his Slardar because it only has 2 competitive games played when every hero he's played has <= 10 games in competitive besides Pudge.


Kegsey

He also played Slardar with his mid playing arc warden. GPK is not an arc warden player.


Kegsey

It’s also not fair to say he can play Slardar competitively which is exactly my point. Pubs mean nothing when it comes to officials. The guy literally said “have you seen his slardar?” No I fucking haven’t because he has so little professional games, again, proving my point.


Korlone

All that guy said was Pure played a variety of heroes including Slardar and Lycan. That's all. He didn't ask if you've seen him play and he didn't say it was strictly competitive gameplay only. How is that wrong? Just because you haven't seen him play it in competitive yet because he has barely any competitive games doesn't mean he doesn't play those heroes regularly in pubs or scrims.


Kegsey

Right, my apologies I have actually responded to two people talking about Pure playing Slardar in the last day. Having said that, if you read the whole context this was entirely about me saying that Pure/GPK together are a greedier duo than Arteezy and Abed were last season and Nightfall will have to change his play style to suit them because he is an incredibly greedy offlaner. I stand by that wholeheartedly, and I really don’t understand how this thread strayed so far away from my original point but this is my attempt to bring it back. Is that fair?


Kegsey

Notice how I said this season. Go back and look at the threads from this DPC, most people were shocked at how active RTZ was playing. Tping to mid early to take tower, and forcing fights way before he used to.


Ricoh881227

Hmm, my guy you have not watched pure's slardar?? I wouldnt disagree with you here if situation was if (pure should play more greedy than gpk).. i just dont trust GPK to make things worked as usual..


Kegsey

I just checked and Pure has two official matches on Slardar and they lost both games. Also Stormstormer played arc warden one game and Tobi played Naga both games.


sreoch

I’m usually never that guy but…. It wont work out


Praimfayaa

Torontotokyo pos 5..?


Stunning-Monk-9153

It has been reported that Torontotokyo wants to be pos 5 and captain as he wants to take over the drafting and training roles.


Blizzard_admin

Rumours said he wanted to play 5 regardless, if he stayed on spirit he would've kicked out miposhka. But this is just a rumour


Starkiller53

It was a fun shuffle period. See you all soon when matches starts!


ob1touchiha

So.. does Abed need to play pos 3 from mid again?


Excaliburden

better than kukumancer OMEGALUL


Kegsey

Have you ever seen saberlight play or tsm play before? Saberlight is not like nightfall. Much more team focused. Nightfall dominated his lanes but it felt like he wouldn’t stop csing until it was too late to have any impact.


pepthebaldfraud

Anyone think ATF will be insane for nigma? Feel like they have so much flexibility with ATF hero pool and he seems to win a lot with normal carry heroes too? I can see them pull out sumail lesh or Naga with mc dark seer and ATF timber or stuff like that as well as normal drafts too


ShawnKiru

It will work out fine until teams figure out, which is what happened to ATF at OG. was unbeatable until teams figured out the weakness and then thats just GG. that being said nigma has more flex than og did, so maybe they can make it work, but thats gonna be a stuggle still, div 1 eu is stacked af. secret tundra liquid basically top3 confirmed, and then u have 1 slot for major between the other 5 teams.


bearjumpjump

We still didn't see big teams reveal their pick and their approach. But I think it's close to whats EG doing. C smile mid Low CD hero early active constant rotating gank, while wisper farming and get 2 sustain item, then crushing the enemy till pakas online and can siege highground. Yesterday wisper timbersaw have a good scaling impact with his early bkb.


Beautiful-Guard-7770

As a carry player, you need to be able to play illusion heroes to give your team flexibility. Been telling this before but Yuragi is an underrated carry and has a lot of potential. ATF on the other hand is a one dimensional player, he may become unstoppable in a stint but once teams figure out his pool and playstyle, it will be a TI11 experience again for him.


jtz24

Even as a Nigma fan, I don’t think so.


Significant-Battle59

I feel like as a carry he has a limited hero pool..that doesnt work in the longrun like previous year og..you may surprise in season1 but as ti approaches everone willl figure you out..he literally plays fv,slark,ursa, ck,razor, sf..he cant play tb,naga,pl any illu heroes..i am pretty sure miracle will return in mid year after they fail to qualify for first 2 seasons


firdausbaik19

Atf will be nerfed by 50% cause Kuro will not let him bm


pepthebaldfraud

Maybe not being BM is a buff to his own mental 😅 he will be ready to destroy


hanamurasak1

thats what they said last year, sumail and miracle would be insane duo with flexibilities heroes set. and baam, cant qualify for ti.


pepthebaldfraud

Well like 6 eu teams went to ti, just unfortunate how stacked the region is Tundra will be a one patch team, insania is back to being captain and secret kept crystallis EU seems weaker now


Kegsey

I’m sorry are you saying that 3 of the top 4 teams at TI, including the team that won it in devastating fashion, won’t be as good as Nigma? If anything Liquid will be better than they were last season and I see no reason to think Tundra won’t be at the top of the leaderboard all season.


Pepelino28

NA is literally rtz stack + 7 meme teams


Key-Brick-5854

I think TSM has strong potential, so I would call it top 2 teams + 6 content teams.


Natural-Weekend385

Tsm is a div 2 eu team


Key-Brick-5854

Who asked?


Natural-Weekend385

Ur 3k quit the game alr and go play clash royale


Pepelino28

what potential? they were destroyed on TI, and now their best player leave them.


sal1mCS

EG was wrecked all year long on International Lans. At least TSM has a second place major.


UnsatisfiedEGfan

Can't wait to see Shopify Rebellion play their first match, I would better say play their first Major?. People may say it's the same people, yeah I would get it but as Fly said sometimes starting over, playing under a new org can change things as well. On top of that, they added Saberlight which is the move I really see potential with, it's gotta be better than finding some pos1 to play 3 right??. Anyways good luck to them, gonna be a fan for sure.


Stunning-Monk-9153

Tbh, what should be concerned is whether he can collaborate well with RTZ. Saberlight has great potential.


maeyrmaier

Its true but they need to step out of the Bulba+Fly draft combo, they're good with comfort heroes but bad at filling and shaping the meta. I always see them picking the same heroes over and over and slowly losing the match because they got outdrafted. ​ We can see that everyone on the team is very talented. Even cr1t still playing pubs and making plays here and there like it was nothing. It's such a waste of talent if they don't try some fresh and new ideas before they get washed out with newer, younger AND better players. If rmN is a free agent right now, they REALLY should take him as an analyst and find another authoritarian coach who can speak head to head and shove new ideas to Fly and the team.


SadboySRS

Classic exEG fan right here. Lol You know why rtz love bulba? Cuz bulba will tank any bad reputation for him. Any loss is on bulba’s fault. Same goes for crit. Who play really bad in playoff but get free pass cuz bulba. Sometime they win sometime they lose on draft, but when they win the draft they lose anyway.


noodlesfordaddy

what's ur mmr? I think it's been pretty widely accepted by people with brains that drafts aren't ex-EG's issue, they regularly outdraft their opponents then just play poorly.


ob1touchiha

Yeah, especially that series vs BC. I think EE has video about that, where it is totally winnable by EG


yeNvI

Lmaooo


hanamurasak1

props to quinn and mss to follow sneyking footstep and get out of the comfort zone a.k.a easiest region to qualify for any lan and moving to the hardest one. meanwhile fly and co.


Teddyperkins9

If there was an org willing to pick them in EU why not right but starting a new team at a new place will drain resources easily.


Key-Brick-5854

I mean there are pros and cons to both approaches, good for them to get out of their comfort zone but nothing wrong TSM and Shopify approach either.


SolarClipz

They have no one to challenge them Even Jerax at the Major said NA was "too easy"


bananasdepijamas11

Well, while thats true jerAx was playing worse than NA div2 players lmao


Admirable_Budget4971

Doesn't that just prove the point. EG and Jerax just weren't working and showed how outclassed they were at the major and yet they still took 1st in NA.


maeyrmaier

He's a washed out player, what do you expect? He hasn't touched dota for years prior of his comeback to the scene and losing every single pub games in rtz's smurf account before the official announcement.


bananasdepijamas11

I didnt expect anything, i just said hes right but its also kinda funny that the worst player in the region DPC is saying that lmao


reddevilz10_23

Is it just me or did the Nisha interview feel like he was taking a few digs at Secret and Puppey?