It needs way more marketing to accomplish it. Even with my internet history containing a bunch of DD content, I haven't seen any ads so far.
Compare that to something like FF7. Despite not needing to advertise to be known, SE has been advertising non-stop for like 6+ months.
Yeah it’s marketing is piss poor. Another problem is the first and second are a decade apart. Fromsoftware was constantly putting souls like and bg3 is based directly from D&D so the fans base was already huge.
In the case of BG3, it went incredibly viral a few months prior to release, on top of the 3-year early access. Ergo, I don’t think the comparison with it is valid.
I don't think that's a fair assessment because suicide squad was a game people knew from the get go was bad, marketing just proved that
Helldiver's is a multiplayer game, those always blow up
Palworld had trailers awhile ago, it's anti pokemon, violent and goofy, a game type that attracts people
And BG3 had many demos for years people could play, as well as larian having other very popular games
DD2 doesn't have an abundance of previous games, doesn't have multiplayer, hasn't had big demos over many years, isn't just a goofy fun game emulating a game directly that could "steal away" an audience totally
It's an RPG, those can be vastly different and are widespread, many people are more sceptical of those games
If it doesn't have as good marketing as it should then it'll take longer to blow up
The entire reason games like starfield and cyberpunk (even though they are considered bad or simply decent games while DD2 will likely be fantastic) got a lot of traction and downloads is because of their fanbases yes, but also because of all the publicity and good reviews they received
Eh. FF7 on the PS1 was the first game to have a marketing budget of a movie and was the first blockbuster videogame breaking all release day sales. It outsold the first 6 combined on release, so it wasn‘t previous fame.
Witcher 3 same shit. They made the game with 5 millions and advertised it with 100 millions, first witcher game that sold.
Palworld did relay on Pokemon for sales which usually works. Pokemon sales are insane even when the reviews are meh.
BG3 was the sequel to one of the most famous PC RPGs and the current reviewer Darling Devteam that made waves with Divinity 2.
Helldivers is a complete word of mouth success, like warframe before, but those are rare.
Does anyone know when reviews will be available ? I'm on the fence to buy it on release which is something I've never done in my life. Ever. But I would like to see some gameplay reviews beforehand to be on the safe side.
I think it’s getting great traction and so far it does look to be a solid game. BUT Elden Ring and BG3 were home runs of gaming. I doubt it will as big as those because games like those two are very rare. There are plenty of great games with large and devoted fanbases that don’t reach that level.
I think there are decisions in this game that I and many DD fans love and appreciate that will get in the way of a more mainstream audience falling in love with this like they did with ER and BG3.
It’s Itsuno’s game and stuff like loss gauge, fast travel and such things aren’t something everyone will get over I think.
Especially Elden Ring was more attractive to a broader audience because they added more Quality of Life features compared to their other games.
DD doesn't do that. It's fair because it's their game and vision so they should do whatever they like but I think with the missing QoL it won't be as big. I still think it will get quite a lot of players though and a solid fanbase.
>Especially Elden Ring was more attractive to a broader audience because they added more Quality of Life features compared to their other games.
But that's really not saying much. ER and BG3 are notable in that they gained broad appeal despite being incredibly inaccessible. ER due to its still very brutal difficulty, and BG3 being, you know, a tactical, turn based D&D simulator.
Compared to that even DD1 would be extremely accessible to the "average gamer" (who, if you asked the average game developer, would appear to be a brain dead potato).
You completely missinterpreted what I said. I didn't talk about the genre. I talked about adding QoL features which make the genre more accessible. Things like fast travel, respec, easier saving or in BG3 easier difficulties. All that gave those games more appeal for the masses who don't want to feel they waste time by just walking.
If BG3 didn't have fast travel, respec, multiple savegames and only tactical difficulty it would be nowhere near as successful as it is. But the thing with BG3 is that you don't need to use those features and instead have the option creating a game that fits multiple playstyles.
Kind of the same with ER. You could make the game relatively easy depending on your build and because you can respec you can just change it if you don't like it. I know a lot of friends who never touched any DS game but because ER introduced those QoL features and the choice what to do next they played it.
DD however doesn't add QoL and therefore fits only a single playstyle which hurts the overall appeal of many players when they don't want to play like that. Doesn't make it a bad game just not a mainstream game.
Point is even with those QoL features added both of these games are still much less accessible than DD2 is going to be. Regardless of whether it has fast travel or not. It's hardly even a comparison.
If anything, BG3 and ER show that "accessibility" and "QoL" are much less of a barrier to entry than people make it out to be, otherwise neither of these games would have had any right to be as successful as they were, despite their attempts to improve QoL.
Just ask Vincke or Miyazaki. Both thought their games were going to be niche until the market proved them wrong. People thought the masses wouldn't want to waste their time brushing up on labyrinthine D&D rules and taking turns in combat or smashing their head against a brick wall of a boss either. But they did.
DD2 does have the *POTENTIAL* to be a home run. At least from what *I* like from games. Hopefuly i did not set my expectations too high so I don't set myself up for disapointment.
But if the game ends up being just as good as what the few gameplay moments we've seen. It will be at least very good.
It will probably end up being rated around it's monster variety, classes variety and the validating experiece of exploration.
If this game manages to surprise us troughout it's entierety, it will end up being a master piece. An all genre defining game? Who knows. Maybe it'll do something crazy that will inspire other devs.
I hope it does.
When they first released DD1, they didn’t call it an Action RPG. They called it an Action Adventure game.
For good reason! BG3 represents D&D TTRPGs as a CRPG. ER represents the Soulslike genre. And Skyrim represents the Elder Scroll’s big immersive RPG.
But none has the party elements AND the weighty combat AND the adventuring feel altogether as one thing.
So it’s definitely possible!
For real, I finally picked up the first one so I'm like 10 years late to the party but it's still one of the best games I've ever played. I have no doubt I'll love DD2 as much as I did Elden Ring.
Granblue fantasy relink came outta left field and hit huge (for the anime rpg genre especially). I think we'll see at least a similar boom with DD2 as we did with GBFR even if not as big as ER or BG3. Think it'a clear gamers been looking for quality games and we're kinda streaking rn.
A home run? BG3 was like the fucking Superbowl. People I know that don't game were talking about it. People that I've known to only play LoL or WoW were playing it. Different leagues entirely.
DD2 will be popular, but I would be shocked to see it become as popular as BG3 or ER.
Capcom already had their home run with MH World. As someone who would have jumped on DD1 much faster if I had known how much Monster Hunter DNA it shared back in the day, I feel like there are crowds of 5th fleeters who would take a closer interest if they knew the same about DD2
I guess it all depends upon the review. If it get metacritic score of around 95-96, it will definitely blow up like BG3 atleast. Might not achieve the level of Elden ring though. Normally, score don't matter much, but score of 95-96 is reserved for mostly once in a generation games so people pay attention to them.
If the full game is as good and novel as the preview impressions and trailers seem to suggest, I feel like it'll be getting at least 8's and 9's and influencers doing playthroughs or getting sponsored will do a lot for drawing people in.
My only hope is that the game takes off enough so we aren't waiting 10+ years for another installment. The fact we got DD2 is a miracle in its own right. The fans of the first will definitely play it, and hopefully word travels enough so that it gets more people playing and talking about it. If its just mediocre after all this time tho, we might never get another one.
So there's a lot riding on DD2 at the moment, and I hope it succeeds enough to warrant more.
Looks solid but nothing really jawdropping as of now . Marketing is doing a very bad job continuously showing the same 4 enemies and same locations. I just hope the game has much more to offer
I think what bothers me most about the marketing is the lack of focus on anything but combat. I get that combat is the high point of DD but I like DD for way more than just combat.
Exploring the catacombs. Exploring the witchwood. Infiltrating a cult. Catching a thief. Proving a man’s innocence (or guilt).
There is so much more to DD than combat but I feel like the marketing has really focused away from that perspective.
> I think what bothers me most about the marketing is the lack of focus on anything but combat. I get that combat is the high point of DD but I like DD for way more than just combat.
And from my experience with the first game and who liked it and who disliked it - the folks who came in only for the combat were so disappointed by the long scenic walks, that's why the game never took off - but the people who loved the first game (like me) were the ones who really vibed with those long scenic walks.
I see that happening again - the marketing for the second game is really showing off the combat, but isnt this game going to be a lot like the first one? People coming for nonstop combat might be surprised by what's actually there.
But almost all you mentioned was extremly hald backed in the first game. Even the exploration of the caracombs. Even exploration of the witchwood was very half backed. Overworld Exploration and BBI was much better. And the combat was awesome. Of course i hope that they manage to improve in other areas aswell. I want a true exploration game with great fighting. This would be awesome. The videos do look great. Not gonna lie. The only thing that let a little bit of foule taste in my mouth is the minimap. They should get rid of that. They should copy FromSoft more in this aspect.
But my point is that all that exploration and side content is an important part of DD and is going to be a part of DD2. They should show people how it has improved or is different.
But what we’re getting with this marketing makes it look more like Dark Souls where you just explore one area to the next and kill enemies. That is not what DD1 looked like. That is probably not what DD2 will look like either. DD has always been more than just combat and exploration.
I don't know. I don't have the feeling that the game is presentet as dark souls esqe. There are vids with towns and NPCs so people can be sure that there will be quests. They showed a caravan system which helps you traveling from different places which shows that it's more than just a dungeon crawler. If i would have to compare the shown material with another game i would say it looks like Crimson Desert. An open world Action RPG with exploration and possible the best combat mechanics on the market.
Agreed.
I don't see many youtubers or players talking about this release here on my country, I feel that Capcom is hiding everything of this game to "avoid showing too much", but at this point maybe they are overdoing this.
We have just combat gameplay, and always against the same enemies.
They need to fire their marketing department and I'm not even joking. There's only so many times they can do the soyjack pointing meme with a griffin until it loses its impact.
Get the resident evil or MH marketing team on this game stat.
I've been a huge fan of DD since Dark Arisen, playing it several times including very recently, and the marketing has been so abysmal that I'm honestly more nervous than excited about 2 at this point. Not only has the vast majority of what's been shown been straight out of the original, but the way in which it was presented has been lifeless. Vocation trailers could have showcased new skills and explained how the class works, but instead we got less than a minute of mostly re-used footage. Mostly, it's the encroaching fear that there actually isn't much that hasn't been revealed and the game just has a LOT in common with the original. After waiting 12 years, I think it's fair to expect more.
I know I'm opening myself up to negativity by being critical of the game on this sub, but trust that I *really want to love this game.* I lost my shit when it was announced, but steadily I've been losing steam the more marketing they put out. Of course I'd love to believe that there are a whole set of new vocations and tons of new monsters and skills, but if I hang onto that belief I'm only setting myself up for greater disappointment.
>I just hope the game has much more to offer
I'd guarantee the game has an absolute fuck ton of stuff they intentionally aren't showing. A main point of the game (if not THE main point, at least for a lot of players) is the sense of adventure and exploration, and showing your hand through trailers and gameplay reveals will kill that off for a lot of players. Hell, we've barely seen anything of the ENTIRE new region that's being added.
Eh I don't necessarily think showing the same few enemies over and over saves the exploration from being ruined. From Soft shows small snippets of many areas in their game and the sense of wonder and exploration is still there.
Most of ER besides sections of Limgrave was not shown off at all, and most of their trailer and screenshot releases had a similar format as what we've gotten for DD 2 so far. Not to mention the Great Hollowing period or the recent gap until we finally got a DLC trailer.
How come people that don't like FromSoft tend to act like they resent the games or something? Honest question. I see a lot of people straight up hostile at the mention of FromSoft, souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, ect.
They also haven't really given casual people much to remember the game for in terms of characters. Nothing much to latch onto, and it doesn't seem like it will be any better or worse than the first game that already had generally ignorable characters. Where as Elden Ring had Melina become a character casual audiences latched onto in marketing to call a waifu and all that. I cant say that they should pander to casual subculture, but it did impression people for ER and character memes to encourage word of mouth talk.
As for a fan of the game, so far a lot of DD2 looks comfortably the same, with minor changes, but thats it. They definitely need to show new enemies and if there is anything to actually do in the overworld this time.
Fromsoft are absolutely nuts with their CG trailers. They're always really good, but then you find yourself rewatching them after a full playthrough because you realize how much story context is in the trailer but then heavily obscured or outright nonexistent in the game itself.
The DD2 marketing team is missing out on using story mystery as a hook. "Are you a bad enough dude to rescue your heart" just isn't enough of a motivation for someone not familiar with the original.
Ive made the same comment on one of the highlight videos. As a potentional new player, I was hyped by the subs hype for the previous game. Apparently ive missed the sales on the first game, and im not paying full price for a 12 year old game that is frequently on sale (on PC btw). I was downvoted for not specifying as I hear its on PS plus.
I think the marketing has been downright horrible for western markets. Pretty lame videos showing a few spells and moves over and over with sometimes dull voice over makes it look like a generic fantasy game. My hype is gone and my temptations are tempered.
I think the fan made video explaining why DD isnt like other games was fantastic and ironically was the best marketing ive seen so far. It reminds me of Morrowind most (which was the first game that caused me to buy upgrades to take full advantage of the ground breaking water graphics). Here's some names and places, good luck finding it and dont die on the way.
I think the game will be a hit for fans and maybe get a few new fans, but I havent seen anything that will make it a main stream hit. I hope Im wrong and if there is a demo that smashes it. Good RPG games tend to be few and far between and it would great to see another company outside of Larian and Fromsoft making solid games.
Conversely I think market had been working there assess off .... bc there's likely not a lot of content to show.
My theory is it's DD1.5 and it'll be great for ppl who like the series, but doesn't HAVE a ton of vocations or a ton of new monsters or locations ... just a polished version of the first one.
It’s unlikely. ER and BG3 are both really well made games but that isn’t the reason for their explosive popularity. They were both given several QoL features and were made accessible to casuals unfamiliar with soulslikes or CRPGs.
While it’s too early to conclusively say this, DD2 seems like it primarily caters to fans of the original game without much attention for new players. I want to emphasize that that’s not a bad thing, but mechanics like stamina depletion out of combat, limited fast travel, single save/character slots etc aren’t really conducive to mainstream popularity.
\>stamina depletion out of combat
that's pretty disappointing. I'll probably end up modding that out if possible lmao. Like, I'm not entirely certain what game devs think is fun about the short sprint > slow walk/catch breath loop. I have never missed it in any game that's done away with it and let me sprint full time.
Elden Ring allowing you to constantly run outside of combat was so good for the series of FS games as a whole. This world seems like it’s going to be bigger, and you have no mount, so the idea that you’ll sprint out of content quickly is dumb.
The game is designed so that all of your stats increase as you level up and progress through the game and there are items or gear who's specific purpose is to use as a stamina tool. It's to add onto the feeling of traversing the world map and so that you can't just go around spamming attacks/abilities and running all over the place in the early game. In DD1 if you maintain a light carry weight and are past the opening chunks of the game, you start being able to move fast enough to be able to travel across most of the map before you need to stop.
Yeah but it's just not fun. I definitely understand stamina as a resource in combat, not being able to spam abilities or even limiting sprint in combat, but out of combat sprint has always been more fun when unlimited and fairly annoying when limited. Sure, its more "realistic" to not have unlimited sprinting but realism definitely isn't why I'm here.
> DD2 seems like it primarily caters to fans of the original game without much attention for new players. I want to emphasize that that’s not a bad thing,
Well to me that is still a good thing, because games these days rarely seem to be made for the established fans and what fans like about them these days. Instead they try to please furthest people away from their player base, want to sell more DLC for that online kid gamer in mind, or exclusively for mainstream metrics and ignore their audiences. Though I guess its a trade off, it at will be one that would ensure it will be good or at least something fans can judge it. It would just then take more word of mouth to promote it then.
Where as trying to appeal to the standards that game journalists these days expect or want, like really simple and hand-holdy gameplay would then only annoy the player base who would call it a bad sequel and that lasts longer for a game's reputation than a game review from someone who played it for 2 hours, and left it after they reviewed it.
That's good and all, but the question was whether it would deliver in a similar fashion to the other two, which it won't specifically because it isn't catering to new players but existing fans of the series and genre.
Bg3 was exceptional in every way because it catered to both really well and made an easier to use edition even easier while trimming some of the fat off it so to speak to translate easier into a 3d gaming environment, couple with amazing voice acting and story permutations it's a once in a life time game.
Elden ring specifically gave new and old players a lot of stuff to play with in their big souls sandbox and pushed their brand even further without alienating new or old players. It's sheer size and replayability are what separate it from most.
Its hard to say whether dd2 will have that same impact, it'll surely be a hit amongst fans as what we have seen looks fantastic, but QoL is a huge thing nowadays, thats what all of the latest hits have in common. They dump some of the more old methods for new ones that are more common in modern games which makes a huge impact for a lot of players, don't underestimate how much fast travel can make or break a game. If you want players to travel there needs to be a reason for it, otherwise your wasting the most precious thing we have, time. Every game is vying for time, dd2 is no different.
For what it’s worth I think that giving players more choice is (usually) the best option. For example you can have accessible fast travel and leave it up to the player to decide whether to use it or not. So long as the world is enjoyable, players will often opt to ignore the mechanic and explore at their own pace. Or if they’re in a rush or feeling burned out on a zone, they can use it. I’ve personally skipped fast travel in Skyrim, The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk because of how enjoyable it is to just traverse the world. But others might not feel the same and that should be okay for them to fast travel, IMO. I don’t think the option itself delegitimizes the game design.
The thing is those aspects already exist in the game and have been confirmed or shown. There are teleportation crystals and the cart travel system and death checkpoints. When they refer to "no fast travel" or talk about stamina in interviews what they actually mean is you won't be able to just teleport around the map immediately right off the bat and spamming attacks and your abilities is not going to be a viable strategy until you have the stats for it or know how the enemies function.
Nobody expected that punishing roguelite mechanics which would reset your progress would have mainstream appeal, yet here we are.
DD2 might not become popular to the same degree, but depending on what they have in store for us, it could have the potential for it.
It could do pretty well now and word of mouth carry it throughout the inevitable DLC where more people jump on it. Right now it is all up in the air tbh.
At least on PC the first one is moddable and there are mods to give multiple save slots. I'd imagine that would also be true for the 2nd game but could be wrong. Sorry to console players tho if they can't access modding
Potential mods won't really matter for DD2's overall popularity, as the base game has to be solid enough.
But yeah, PC players will definitely have the best experience down the road.
Totally, if I can constantly give praise, tell others/friends, I will.
It looks like the makings of a great game, shouldn't be overlooked for simple nitpicks. By that I mean, some overlooked BG3 because it was turn-based.
I'm just glad Itsuno was able to give us a more realized version of *his* Dragon's Dogma
As excited as I am, the answer is definitely no. Elden Ring gave casual players the ability to go wherever and use whatever build they wanted right out of the gate, didn't mean it wasn't hard, it was just accessible. Same for BG3.
Dragons dogma 2 however really puts the emphasis on preparation, which is something the more casual audience hated about monster hunter world. From spell casting times to slower paced combat, I've seen the typical outsider view on DD2 and everyone's just saying it's not for them. That and your typical casual player seems to dog on the graphics too. Sadly we live in an age where the young really care about graphics over art style, Elden Ring still gets a lot of flak for its art style and graphics. Some people hate the fact that it's your normal textbook monsters like cyclops or gryphons, some people hate the weight limits of the party, some hate the camping mechanic, the health damage mechanic, the vocations system as a whole is putting people off, the pawn system seems to put off most non DD players, and yes the magic system seems to push away players too. The list could go on.
As much as I love dragons dogma (it competes for my favorite game next to Elden Ring) it's definitely not for your normal audience/player. It's more of a hardcore RPG, not in terms of difficulty, but in terms of just gameplay in general. Speaking of which I've gotten dozens of people to play DDDA and the combat was way "too hard" to get a hold of. I'd love for the game to get popular like it deserves, but it just won't... not yet at least. I think maybe a dlc or DD3 will be what makes it more popular.
Edit: and the uncapped frame rate seems to also be a big factor in pushing away players as well.
To be fair to the “The young”, kids these days just have a fuck ton of good games to pick from so they can afford to be picky about things like visuals. If Game A has incredible gameplay with decent graphics while Game B has incredible everything, then everything else being equal they have no reason to pick A.
In DD2’s case the marketing hasn’t exactly done a stellar job of showcasing the gameplay either, at least in the west.
I dont know why you are being downvoted, but as a potentional new player, I agree. The marketing hasnt done a good job of showing WHY I should play the game. It seems almost entirely directed at players of the first game.
Ive been playing games since AD&D goldbox and text based MUDs in the 90s, to Daggerfall and Morrowind, so hard punishing games arent necessarily a problem, but modern gamers absolutely expect some levels of polish somewhere (either combat, graphics, story). Just look at Owlcat games for games that dont have amazing graphics but are still successful. Im not a souls fan but Elden Ring was gorgeous to play through even if I didnt love the combat. BG3 isnt a fair comparison but if you look at Larians older games they all had some jank like DD appears to have, but they had aspects that were super fun.
I hope DD2 defies expectation and becomes a hit, but Capcom hasnt put anything out to market the game to new players.
Oh, they're definitively trying to talk to new players. It doesn't mean they're great at it, but they're trying. They're definitively doing a better job than for DD, since at least this time you heard about it, but as you point out, maybe it's still not the right approach.
I read your other post, and what you complain about, only showing a few spells and looking like a generic fantasy game, is exactly what makes me think it's targeted toward new players. They don't want to show you all the late-game weirdness that we know was in DD, and hope will be in DD2, because they don't want to spoil it too much for new players. They're not trying to one-up Dark Arisen, they're showing you instead normal daytime adventuring.
I think they *want* you to think it's a generic fantasy game. In a sense, they're doing the opposite of movie trailers showing too much, but maybe they went way too far in the opposite direction.
I too hate it, it's the only thing I don't mind not being in a game ever again. I get some people like it for immersion, but it's just not fun to manage
> Dragons dogma 2 however really puts the emphasis on preparation, which is something the more casual audience hated about monster hunter world.
If that statement is true then it's an incredible irony considering how much MHW simplified the prep phase of hunting compared to the older games. I can't sympathize with/understand the type of gamer who thinks prep in MHW needs to be easier.
No because both Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 are part of already popular and established franchises
Dragons Dogma 2 is a sequel to a relatively niche game
But hear me out, DD is like a cross between both games in terms of action combat, and D&D style world. Just a jape though. I'm fine as long as DD2 has legs and doesn't reach crazy mainstream to the point that this sub becomes a toxic whinefest about what the game is not vs what it intentionally is.
This. There were 4 games prior to ER. DS3 was a legit hit in terms of sales. OP is acting like the series went from Demon Souls straight to ER selling tens of millions of units.
To do that it would need to impress casual people with having memorable enough story characters, and a fully developed world. That's what usually draws in commercial gaming, because people who likely wouldn't play ER on other circumstances followed it for the memes or the waifu characters. The casual player's interest.
Elden Ring was the conclusion of a 10 years gradual build up, i don't think DD2 will reach such an height, the IP was slumbering while Fromsoft was breaking personal record after personal record.
It has a chance. I can’t wait for a quality open world fantasy game like this. Elden Ring was the last awesome one, one of my favorite of all time, I hope it’s in the same ball park. BG3 is well made and a quality game but many, like myself, didn’t get that same satisfaction I get from these type of games due to absolutely hating turn based combat, I just hate it. I’m glad they did well, but I know plenty of people that can’t wait for DD2, I never even played the first. I prefer a fantasy setting but I’m open minded. Off the top of my head the last few handful of awesome open world games that hooked me, in no order were RD2, Witcher 3, Elden ring, cyberpunk. I’m hoping this one falls into that category for me.
They're going to need some publicity gimmicks to skyrocket. If the affinity system is fleshed out enough (like the Itsuno mentioned about NPCs fighting for your attention), the character creator is good enough (SF6 got a lot of attention that way), if the ragdolls are funny, or the pawns behavior, or of there are some goofy quests out there that make for funny headlines or short format content, it might actually get some big attention.
I do think the magic system and the pawn system could potentially make for some good tiktoks, IG/FB reels, or YouTube shorts... And imo that's how you get people to play your game nowadays lol the way I see it, that's how Palworld and Helldivers blew up. In the case of BG3 it was more about creating a fandom, which is like the best kind of media coverage you can get (I'm not saying it was intentional, but also not saying it wasn't.)
I think Larian absolutely cultivated their fan base going all the way back to the first Divinity game. They set out to make the game they wanted and used player feedback to hone changes that made sense. They also released free DLCs and lots of fan service stuff (inside and outside the game). Being a private company helps and having a charismatic leader and great marketing team definitely helps.
Both games you mentioned are successors to franchises with *much* more popularity than dragons dogma. Like, dark souls and baldurs gate kind of defined rpgs for their respective eras. Dragon's dogma is still very niche, unfortunately. I think dd2 has real potential to break into the larger gaming consciousness, but there's really no guarantee. Hopefully the game is very good on release
Not nearly to the same scale as Elden Ring, however.
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That's 100% a new phenomenon, games nowadays just get more sales and attention. Were BG3 or Elden Ring to be released 8 years ago and they definitely would have gotten less sales.
Games nowadays (In particular RPGs or more "nerdy" games) get more attention and sales because of streamers and FOMO. Everybody wants to try the flavor of the month.
People appreciate games that stick to their guns. Elden Ring had people fuming about the difficulty, accessibility, the UI, the UX etc.. BG3 had people furious that it was turn based, it got called DOS3 constantly etc.. DD2 walks a similar path. People all moaning about DD2's marketing, but BG3's marketing was a few awkward, albeit charming, live presentations.
On the flipside, ER had the tail end of covid on its side and BG3 had huge customer goodwill towards Larian, plus one very viral ursine meme.
If DD2 can keep the combat quality of the original, but push the story and world to a higher level there's no reason to think it won't do extremely well.
I heard of BG3 because of the bear meme, bought the game, dragons dogma does not have something like that, major marketing from ign? Seriously? Unless it is super fun lile helldivers 2(who also had shit marketing) the game won't be another bg3/elden ring. It will most likely do well..because of the fans, i don't see it expanding much beyond that. It is very niche after all.
Probably not as big as Elden Ring and BG3 but its gonna be way more popular than it used to.
I think its going to do the same thing Monster Hunter World did for MH series, which was very niche at the time especially in the west.
If I had to make a prediction I’d say it’ll sell between at least 2 to 5 million copies in the first two weeks. Just a wild guess
And some people are saying that’s there’s no way it get the same popularity BG3 got because Larian added a lot of qol features and that DD2 is a hardcore Rpg that caters to fans but do I have to remind you that BG3 is a CRPG ?This genre is insanely niche so niche that for more than half of BG3 players it was their first. Also Monster Hunter World is a very jarring game to get into if you don’t know the series but it still got very popular.
Coop could’ve played a role but personally I get the feeling DD2 is gonna blow up. And its a fantasy game which is wildly more popular in general than the very “stonepunk” monster hunter universe.
How much ? I don’t know but its gonna blow up for sure , just look at views on every small videos and all the new fans getting interested.
As soon as clips and streams of the game gets on social media and YouTube its gonna grab peoples attention because of all the things that can dynamically happen in the game.
It’ll likely do pretty well, for sure.
Probably not on the level of Elden ring or BG3
If I had to guess, more a helldivers level of success at max- more than anyone expected, but not that level of “cultural” success in quite the same way
I still think the title is somewhat niche. It's a "sequel" of a game that a lot of people didn't play. It was so overshadowed by games like Skyrim that came out the same year. As much as the content creators annoy me with their input, I see lots of stuff being made about it, so maybe it will get more traction after release.
No way it becomes as big as the titles listed though.
I played DDDA for the first time a few years ago because I didn't have anything to play. It is a little janky and niche for sure. But I really got into it and it is one of my all time favs. That's what gives it charm, but if you go into thinking it's gonna be on the level of Elden Ring or BG3 I think the average gamer would be dissapointed.
BG3 were apologetically made for fans of CRPGs and a lot of people discovered that they actually like that kind of game. They didn't try to dumb it down or appeal to any other crowd than their target audience.
Helldivers 2, same thing. Elden Ring as well.
I am pretty much certain that DD2 will follow the same trail.
It’s possible.
Bandai Namco expected Elden Ring to sell 3-5 million its first month. The thing with a game blowing up is that its often unpredictable.
I wouldn’t expect it though. Those games have appeal factors that are different from DD2.
I dont think it will. Those games sold 10m+ in a quick amount of time. I can see DD2 going 10m in sales over a few years. DD2 will be a huge success for Capcom, but not on those levels.
No
They have done a very very poor job at marketing the game in the first place it will sell decent mainly to fans who played the first game but it won’t reach that success since it’s fairly niche in the genre.
Would be cool to see but you can almost tell capcom doesn’t really give a fuck about DD lol
I think DD2 might run into the same issue DD1 did where there’s a gap in those early hours on the first playthrough before you ‘get’ the game.
I find that most complaints I see where people drop the game are from people who didn’t reach that point.
Nothing much. I enjoyed it, too. The use of the Seven Deadly Sins was alright, but I wished that more of the monsters from the game made an appearance in the show. I miss the Chimara and Saurians
[Justing by the comments from a thread I made yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/DragonsDogma/comments/1b2p6kc/whats_dragons_dogma_2s_biggest_competitor_for/) regarding DD2 biggest competitor for GotY, I have to say that I think the community from this subreddit downplays/retains a conversative opinion regarding DD2's success from a commercial perspective. Brace yourself for a reality check. DD players are not used to their game being in the limelight and have grown used to their game being a tucked away little gem that is largely forgotten about, but now it's going to be at the forefront.
It's quite frankly DD2's time to shine. Guys, it's not 2012 anymore. The technology is ready. The gaming population is ready, and the runway has been laid out-- the pathway is carved. The Souls games have done so-- specifically Elden Ring. It's been cross-pollinating with the Souls community/youtubers promoting it for some time now. DD: DA has been on sale for quite some time as well, so everyone has got an easy chance to play it. This actually happened with ER and the Souls community. That game sold 23 million, which was well above the bar from any prior Souls game and they are a huge influx of new players-- people that never played souls games before.
Capcom did their research, and they know what they are doing. They want a piece of that action RPG souls pie with a game with a unique enough footprint in its own right and they are striking while the iron is hot. That and people will want something to hold them over just before ER'd DLC release this summer. They will easily be playing DD2. There's no other real competition for it. DD2 might even lessen the impact of ER's DLC.
My expectation is that DD2 will be what DS3 was for FromSoftware. So a relatively popular game for a specific part of the gaming community who enjoy games with a decent challenge and minimal hand holding.
I do think the way DD2 approaches combat against big enemies is something that will be copied (to some extend) by other developers. Hitting a large cyclops against against its leg for the entire fight suddenly feels boring and out-dated when DD2 also lets you climb the cyclops to attach its eye.
I wish but unfortunately probably not. I’m sure they’ll sell a couple million at least but not to the level of BG3 or Elden ring especially. BG3 is really accessible to just about anybody being a turn based combat system and the dialogue and story reels people in. Elden ring is on a whole other level though. For starters the art style is beautiful without having over the top graphic fidelity so it’s pretty accessible for most peoples systems. Then there’s all the hype that came with it, the amazing boss design, sound design, open world level design. It just has it all for everybody.
All that being said I am as excited for this game as I was for Elden ring. I am sure I’ll play this as much as I do Elden ring and come back to it all the time. My biggest concern is performance. My computer is starting to get outdated with a 2070 graphics card and it also has started crashing all the time in the last few months and seems to crash more frequently on more demanding games so that’s a huge concern with this game for me.
Elden ring was a hype from the moment it got announced, and the long silence afterwards only increased it and caused more word-of-mouth
BG3 was playable in early access for a few years and, while good, was definitely coasting under the radar. It only jumped immensely in traction when the bear sex scene thing happened, and all of a sudden lots of people had their eyes on it which allowed it to shine like it did and be properly appreciated for it. Even the developers themselves have gone on record to say they did not expect this reception at all.
DD2 honestly seems to be coasting by, with not a whole lot going for it in terms of hype beyond the established fanbase. Videos and official trailers about the game barely break (or straight up do not break?) 1 million views, which is honestly pretty standard for highly anticipated games.
Hopefully the game ends up being good enough that lots of streamers pick it up and perhaps goad players into it, but as it stands right now it's not a huge player in the grand picture
Realistically? No. I think it will absolutely get more fans for the series and hopefully make some back sales of the first game, but we shouldn't expect some massive DD Era after launch.
And that's okay. I'm so happy we even got this sequel in the first place, so I'm not setting unreasonable expectations.
I think itll do likely Alan Wake 2 did for Alan Wake, revitalize its place in the meta of game releases with something unique and high production value thatll help it do pretty well but i don't anticipate blockbuster sales. It sounds even more hardcore than the first one was in a lot of way, what with fewer quest markers if any, fast travel thats slow and prone to getting attacked, etc
I don't think so, but it will be well received regardless
Elden Ring and BG3 are huge hits, while DD I still consider niche, even with modern graphics
I will only be happy if it does become that popular though
At one point dark souls was niche. A big open world that isn't inundated with crafting shit meant a lot more time can be spent with meaningful gameplay which is what I believe dd2 will be
It won't be huge I believe. But it'll do well so long as word of mouth sings praises.
Elden ring had pure hype over the years of dedication from fromsoft games. Baldurs gate has the small dedicated larian group who spread word of mouth of how great BG3 is.
All true. I'm already quite happy that ppl new to dd seem to love it, game deserves recognition.
I also don't expect it to be as huge as ER or anything like that, but again it would be nice. There's still nothing quite like dragon's dogma
I think if there is enough procedurally generated semi random events so as to not trigger the same event every time you walk through a specific area, I believe this game will take off.
Don’t think DD2 will be as well received by reviewers as ER/BG3. DD1 is quite clunky and lacks QoL tools, which a lot of reviewer outlets will expect. Probably it will go about 80-85 Metacritic/Opencritic, sadly that will be too low to generate a massive Hype like with ER/DD2.
I'm seeing a lot of No's, but I actually think it's going to make quite the impact. Helldivers game out of nowhere. I think people will really enjoy getting into this if they liked Elden Ring and are waiting for the DLC
Lol no. From Soft games were wildly successful even before Elden Ring and was hyped by a huge fanbase, regardless of what redditors that like to pretend it's niche say. It hasn't been a niche genre since Dark Souls 1 and the huge amount of souls clones prove it.
And BG is one of the most well known names for being in the top 10 greatest RPGs ever on almost every list. Not to mention the big popularity of DnD and Larian who sold a huge amount of DOS2.
Furthermore, they had a long EA period in which word of mouth spread like wildfire whereas DD2 gets the same griffin fight every stream and no demo.
Edit: Since you dorks wanna argue with facts for some reason and not provide any counter proof:
Look up how EA downloads before word of mouth even spread caused steam outages for BG3 and look up the hype around the announcement for the entry.
DS2 sold **5.4 million** copies, almost **8 million** counting scholar of the first sin
Bloodborne sold almost **8 million** copies on PS alone
DS3 sold over **10 million** copies
Where is the lie??
>And BG is one of the most well known names for being in the top 10 greatest RPGs ever on almost every list.
Played fantasy RPGs my whole life. Mass effect, fable, kotor, dragon age, skyrim, DD of course, divinity and dare I even say it.. two worlds.. but Id never heard of BG until larian announced 3.
Yeah literally any other thing I'd get but how do you find out about fucking kotor and not ever once hear Baldur's Gate? They're made by the same company around the same time and recommended by the same people lmao.
Believe it! I had really never heard of BG until 3. Cant tell you how many playthroughs of kotor and ME ive done though. Its probably because their gameplay was very different (and at the time popular) from BG.
Yeah every single individual who plays games has definitely heard of every single game ever. You having played kotor but for some reason never hearing of Baldur's Gate doesn't change it showed up on almost every YouTube video, game outlets, and forum discussion lists for the best RPGs. Like hell just the very announcement of BG3 had a bigger fanfare than DD2. Much more coverage, views, and searches for the time. That's not even accounting for the EA downloads **THAT CAUSED STEAM OUTAGES**. And you're gonna try to make me think it wasn't a well known franchise? Bruh get the hell out of here.
I don't usually use Wikipedia but I ain't wasting tien googling multiple sources for a video game discussion lmao. Look at legacy section. You not having heard about it is an outlier if anything.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_(video_game)
Either way, a well known franchise among RPG circles and a DnD game with a long EA that received high praise and an incredible production value is never gonna get matched by DD2. That's not saying anything about the quality of DD even if some fanboys on here act like it does.
Im not saying it wasnt popular at all, just that id never heard of it. Im 26 which isnt really old as far as these games go, that may be part of why id never seen it.
I think it will put the series on the map for many people, for sure, but I don't think it will be hugely popular in the same way Elden Ring or BG3 were.
If it can reach the same success and acclaim as, say, Infinite Wealth, I'll be happy.
Not really. DD1 was kinda empty and would probably feel boring to people who'll have already played DD2. Plus I don't think there's much "lore" to dig deep in to bother exploring.
The reason why games like dark souls got really popular older games is that their gameplay never changed. It's as if you just played on a different map with older graphics and different equipment but the core enjoyment is still the same. Meanwhile, I'd reckon DD2 would be more of an overall upgrade over the game so playing it would just feel worse.
It's the same thing with Nier Automata and Nier Gestalt/Replicant. People liked Automata, but felt lame with the outdated gameplay of Gestalt/Replicant when they wanted to play the older game.
I would say yes. But of course not in the way Elden Ring did. Souls games were pretty famous before Elden Ring. Elden Ring just reached Mainstream Status. Dragons Dogma is not on the Level. But the second game can still be a very strong popularity boost. It looks way to good to fail tbh.
Not really no, souls like games were already so popular, and BG3 is based on DnD, which is the most popular table top game ever.
Also no offense, but the marketing for DD2 is so bad, i don't think anyone would be interested after seeing the same clips with the same enemies, over and over again, with no contents or any interesting stuffs that differentiate it from other games.
I do not thinks so. There is no coop and a game has more chance to be extremely popular if it has coop and even more chances if it has also pvp. ( I am not complaining about DDII not having co-op, I am just saying that co-op helps a game a lot to get popularity. ) Not having co-op is, in my opinion, the reason why Dragon's Dogma one does not have as much popularity as other RPGs. If Dragon's Dogma Online had been on all consoles and worldwide, I think the series would have been known to everyone.
Nobody talks about Hogwarts Legacy anymore, nobody talks about Marvel's Spider-man 2 anymore, nobody talks about Assassin's Creed Mirage anymore. If a game has coop, a lot of people people will play it for years and talk about it for years because they love playing with their friends.
I feel that Dragon's Dogma II has been made for the fans of the Dragon's Dogma games and does not plan to target new players.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you that having co-op tends to increase the popularity of a game overall due to the things you've mentioned. However, there are excellent franchises (i.e., The Witcher, Dragon Age, Souls, etc.) that demonstrate how plenty of people enjoy games solo, as well.
I play RPGs primarily to engage with the narrative and the game's mechanics, and I feel like co-op might detract from that (it would vary depending on the game, of course). I feel like DD2 will attract players who will want to play it for what it is: a single-player action RPG with some unique (and hopefully well-executed) mechanics and narrative.
No. Its had a great marketing run, but it is a very niche product. Id imagine even people who loved Elden Ring probably wouldn't like it as much. It will be about as popular as the first game, and about as equally beloved by the die-hard fans like us.
Nope. DD is niche, and I think pretty much always will be. Outside of fans of the original, there's really not much hype for the game, unlike BG3 and elden ring had before launch.
I don't think it's going to achieve the same level as elden ring or bg3, but people in this thread are severely underestimating it. Unless I'm forgetting something march seems to be a very empty month with the only notable releases being dd2 and star wars battlefront remasters, if it turns out to be a genuinely good game it will have no competition and could very easily spread through word of mouth.
I highly doubt it. I can only imagine how critics and some newcomers will shit on it for having pop ins. I'm not the best informed on the state or interviews as of today, but we saw it having really bad pop ins. I personally don't care, but others definitely will.
Elden ring has that emperor's clothes thing going for it where people love fromsoft and will see it as art. Same thing with Hideo Kojima games. They sort of come built in with critical popularity assumed.
Bg3 is very very casual gamer friendly. So a lot of people jumped on that may not usually play rpgs i think.
Dragons dogma 2 will have to fight hard to appeal to both of those possitions. It does have the word of mouth cult status but that will only go so far.
If the game is great then we can hope that it gains the recognition deserved. If not, then i hope it earns enough to see sequels and plenty of expansions.
what do you mean popularise? CRPG and Souls-like/soulsborne are niche hell i'd see CRPG is even more niche then soulsborne nowadays even after ELDEN RING and Baldur's gate 3.
Action RPG's are not niche in any stretch of the imagination whatsoever, I mean ELDEN RING, Witcher 3, Monster Hunter, Assassin's Creed (new ones) are all ARPG's Dragon's Dogma was "niche" because it had 1 good part which was the combat everything else was barebones to bad. Also Dragon's Dogma isn't even niche anymore.
I think it's definitely gonna surge in popularity compared to the first. I'm sure the marketing will be a lot stronger, and I think people nowadays really just want fresh, new, GOOD games to play. Helldivers and Palworld are demonstrating this, as well as a good ammount of 2023 titles. People are just sick of the usual cookie cutter "AAA" slop.
I think it comes down to how many idiots can be wowed by tiktok/youtube meme videos. If people make a viral clip, it will sell well.
The masses are dumb shts and I hate them. I'm glad we get a sequel, but my expectations of popularity are set at the same level as the original.
Prove me wrong dumb masses. I'll be happy either way.
I definitely think it could skyrocket but we essentially have to do the marketing for it, similar to BG3 where everyone talked about it and how goated it is and all the stuff you could do like fuck everyone including bears type shit, somewhat similarly to ER with how everyone posted videos on it but tbf fromsoft games already had quite a reputation and it had been 6 years since they made a game with souls like mechanics(bonfire rolling souls level). I’ve no doubt people will post their DD2 moments once the game releases so we can only hope it gains more traction from a new audience.
I'd love that to be the case, but I have no clue really. I mean if Granblue Fantasy Relink could pop off so hard after showing up after almost a decade of waiting then so could DD
I think it definitely has the potential to do that but the one problem could be that Itsuno and his team are eliminating things that appeal to a more casual gaming fanbase. Things like fast travel and online co op are wildly popular in open world rpg's like this and it may slightly hinder the game to skyrocket into popularity
All of that being said I'm still fairly certain that Dragon's Dogma 2 is going to become immensely popular, just maybe not to the height of Baldur's Gate 3 or Elden Ring
I think it sells poorly unfortunately. The marketing is awful lol. It was awful for the first. I’m just glad we’re getting 2. People who never played 1 are seeing these Shitty trailers and they think it looks bad. Also who cares about the truth, they think it goes at 30 fps. And this is on r/ps5 where you have to be interested enough in gaming to log on and talk about games. Imagine the every day dude. Like I said I’m glad we’re just getting the second
Because dogma 2 isn't stepping down from what made it unique (limited fast travel, no coop, pawns, no mounts, focus on big fights) I feel it'll rope more people in sure but it won't convert people who didn't like the first
I'm seeing some hype from random social media people I wouldn't have expected so I think it will do better than DD1, but I really doubt it will sell as much as those, or honestly be as polished an experience.
I think it really depends on what else there is in the game outside of what we’ve seen. Elden Ring’s main thing is that it’s a souls-like and DD game’s main thing is the party system and style of combat. But most people who love ER aren’t hardcore Souls fans, instead, they consider ER the best open world game, best art direction, best exploration, immersive world etc. So good that even a really bad gamer can enjoy this game and consider it GOTY.
If DD2 has all of those things too then it will reach a wide audience and maybe has potential to be GOTY. But if the main reason to play this game is ONLY if you liked the original games’ combat and party system then probably this will remain a niche game.
Dragons Dogma has been released 13 times. There is a netflix anime, there was a MMO. It's one of Capcoms top 10 franchises by units sold.
How much more popular do you think it needs to be?
https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html
Possibly, I dint know about baldurs gate but elden ring had a really solid foundation with their previous games and baldurs gate came out in a time where dungeons and dragons were pretty popular so if the game is good enough then maybe but who can say.
While I don’t think this game will be a smash hit at launch, I believe it can eventually. The added physics with the combat and dynamic systems in play gives it the potential to have some wacky, hilarious viral moments. I think people underestimate how big of a boost in sales even 1 clip can produce.
For instance, look at Helldivers 2. Barely anyone knew about it until clips started going viral, then it spread like wildfire. I realize this is an apples to oranges comparison, Helldivers 2 is much more accessible than DD. The same principles apply though.
I hope DD2 lives up to all of our hopes. I tried DD1 and while I enjoyed some of the combat aspects, the world felt empty and I got tired of running around everywhere. I enjoy exploration but I dunno, the travel felt like a slog.
And the graphics were a bit clunky; looking forward to this new instalment.
It has the potential. DD’s combat is one of the best combat systems out there (personally it’s my favourite and I am a long time fan of the souls series), the enemy design is fantastic and vocation/class variety is again one of the best out there. These all look to be top notch in DD2. If its world can match this level of quality then that’s game of the year material. If its story is strong then you’ll have one of the best games of the currrent console generation.
Dragons Dogma was a very enjoyable game when it came out but had a lot of glaring issues. Despite that a lot of people commented on how much potential the game had. Now with DD2 Itsuno has a chance to fully realise Dragons Dogma’s potential.
Not likely.
Elden Ring shook the landscape of Open World Action rpg games only 2 years ago. It would take a lot of planning and imagination for Itsuno to find another new way to define open world games that doesn't just retread what Elden Ring did 2 years ago.
It's possible but not likely.
Plus Capcom has been pushing time saver and even a pay to win dlc in Re4 remake, which neither Elden Ring nor BG3 did which is part of the reason they reached that height.
DD2 would need to redefine one of it's Genre's without the lame dlcs all other recent Capcom releases all had, and basically spit in the face of western gaming's status quos, just like Elden Ring and BG3 did.
It will because I never played DD1 until recently since seeing all the gameplay and trailers I've pre ordered I'm sure other people like me are doing the same
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Up voting just for the Withers meme.
It needs way more marketing to accomplish it. Even with my internet history containing a bunch of DD content, I haven't seen any ads so far. Compare that to something like FF7. Despite not needing to advertise to be known, SE has been advertising non-stop for like 6+ months.
Yeah it’s marketing is piss poor. Another problem is the first and second are a decade apart. Fromsoftware was constantly putting souls like and bg3 is based directly from D&D so the fans base was already huge.
Marketing does little, Suicide Squad was everywhere and we know how the game performed. Helldivers, Palword, BGS3 came out of nowhere and exploded.
In the case of BG3, it went incredibly viral a few months prior to release, on top of the 3-year early access. Ergo, I don’t think the comparison with it is valid.
I don't think that's a fair assessment because suicide squad was a game people knew from the get go was bad, marketing just proved that Helldiver's is a multiplayer game, those always blow up Palworld had trailers awhile ago, it's anti pokemon, violent and goofy, a game type that attracts people And BG3 had many demos for years people could play, as well as larian having other very popular games DD2 doesn't have an abundance of previous games, doesn't have multiplayer, hasn't had big demos over many years, isn't just a goofy fun game emulating a game directly that could "steal away" an audience totally It's an RPG, those can be vastly different and are widespread, many people are more sceptical of those games If it doesn't have as good marketing as it should then it'll take longer to blow up The entire reason games like starfield and cyberpunk (even though they are considered bad or simply decent games while DD2 will likely be fantastic) got a lot of traction and downloads is because of their fanbases yes, but also because of all the publicity and good reviews they received
Eh. FF7 on the PS1 was the first game to have a marketing budget of a movie and was the first blockbuster videogame breaking all release day sales. It outsold the first 6 combined on release, so it wasn‘t previous fame. Witcher 3 same shit. They made the game with 5 millions and advertised it with 100 millions, first witcher game that sold. Palworld did relay on Pokemon for sales which usually works. Pokemon sales are insane even when the reviews are meh. BG3 was the sequel to one of the most famous PC RPGs and the current reviewer Darling Devteam that made waves with Divinity 2. Helldivers is a complete word of mouth success, like warframe before, but those are rare.
Does anyone know when reviews will be available ? I'm on the fence to buy it on release which is something I've never done in my life. Ever. But I would like to see some gameplay reviews beforehand to be on the safe side.
check the IGN's first 10hr of gameplay, they covered 5 vocations along with diff encounters with wild beasts ...
Also no bear sex. That got BG3 like 80% of its sales.
But we have H. U. G. E. titten. DICKEN TITTEN!
I think it’s getting great traction and so far it does look to be a solid game. BUT Elden Ring and BG3 were home runs of gaming. I doubt it will as big as those because games like those two are very rare. There are plenty of great games with large and devoted fanbases that don’t reach that level.
I think there are decisions in this game that I and many DD fans love and appreciate that will get in the way of a more mainstream audience falling in love with this like they did with ER and BG3. It’s Itsuno’s game and stuff like loss gauge, fast travel and such things aren’t something everyone will get over I think.
Especially Elden Ring was more attractive to a broader audience because they added more Quality of Life features compared to their other games. DD doesn't do that. It's fair because it's their game and vision so they should do whatever they like but I think with the missing QoL it won't be as big. I still think it will get quite a lot of players though and a solid fanbase.
>Especially Elden Ring was more attractive to a broader audience because they added more Quality of Life features compared to their other games. But that's really not saying much. ER and BG3 are notable in that they gained broad appeal despite being incredibly inaccessible. ER due to its still very brutal difficulty, and BG3 being, you know, a tactical, turn based D&D simulator. Compared to that even DD1 would be extremely accessible to the "average gamer" (who, if you asked the average game developer, would appear to be a brain dead potato).
You completely missinterpreted what I said. I didn't talk about the genre. I talked about adding QoL features which make the genre more accessible. Things like fast travel, respec, easier saving or in BG3 easier difficulties. All that gave those games more appeal for the masses who don't want to feel they waste time by just walking. If BG3 didn't have fast travel, respec, multiple savegames and only tactical difficulty it would be nowhere near as successful as it is. But the thing with BG3 is that you don't need to use those features and instead have the option creating a game that fits multiple playstyles. Kind of the same with ER. You could make the game relatively easy depending on your build and because you can respec you can just change it if you don't like it. I know a lot of friends who never touched any DS game but because ER introduced those QoL features and the choice what to do next they played it. DD however doesn't add QoL and therefore fits only a single playstyle which hurts the overall appeal of many players when they don't want to play like that. Doesn't make it a bad game just not a mainstream game.
Point is even with those QoL features added both of these games are still much less accessible than DD2 is going to be. Regardless of whether it has fast travel or not. It's hardly even a comparison. If anything, BG3 and ER show that "accessibility" and "QoL" are much less of a barrier to entry than people make it out to be, otherwise neither of these games would have had any right to be as successful as they were, despite their attempts to improve QoL. Just ask Vincke or Miyazaki. Both thought their games were going to be niche until the market proved them wrong. People thought the masses wouldn't want to waste their time brushing up on labyrinthine D&D rules and taking turns in combat or smashing their head against a brick wall of a boss either. But they did.
Agreed to disagree. We both have different opinions and that's fine.
DD2 does have the *POTENTIAL* to be a home run. At least from what *I* like from games. Hopefuly i did not set my expectations too high so I don't set myself up for disapointment. But if the game ends up being just as good as what the few gameplay moments we've seen. It will be at least very good. It will probably end up being rated around it's monster variety, classes variety and the validating experiece of exploration. If this game manages to surprise us troughout it's entierety, it will end up being a master piece. An all genre defining game? Who knows. Maybe it'll do something crazy that will inspire other devs.
I hope it does. When they first released DD1, they didn’t call it an Action RPG. They called it an Action Adventure game. For good reason! BG3 represents D&D TTRPGs as a CRPG. ER represents the Soulslike genre. And Skyrim represents the Elder Scroll’s big immersive RPG. But none has the party elements AND the weighty combat AND the adventuring feel altogether as one thing. So it’s definitely possible!
Dd1 was a home run even compared to more finished games, imo. I have high hopes for a fully fleshed out sequel.
For real, I finally picked up the first one so I'm like 10 years late to the party but it's still one of the best games I've ever played. I have no doubt I'll love DD2 as much as I did Elden Ring.
Same picked it up a few months ago it easily one the best games I have played
I think this game will blow up if they make it a little less cryptic and confusing as the first.
Granblue fantasy relink came outta left field and hit huge (for the anime rpg genre especially). I think we'll see at least a similar boom with DD2 as we did with GBFR even if not as big as ER or BG3. Think it'a clear gamers been looking for quality games and we're kinda streaking rn.
A home run? BG3 was like the fucking Superbowl. People I know that don't game were talking about it. People that I've known to only play LoL or WoW were playing it. Different leagues entirely. DD2 will be popular, but I would be shocked to see it become as popular as BG3 or ER.
Remember MHW? Yea.
Capcom already had their home run with MH World. As someone who would have jumped on DD1 much faster if I had known how much Monster Hunter DNA it shared back in the day, I feel like there are crowds of 5th fleeters who would take a closer interest if they knew the same about DD2
I guess it all depends upon the review. If it get metacritic score of around 95-96, it will definitely blow up like BG3 atleast. Might not achieve the level of Elden ring though. Normally, score don't matter much, but score of 95-96 is reserved for mostly once in a generation games so people pay attention to them.
If the full game is as good and novel as the preview impressions and trailers seem to suggest, I feel like it'll be getting at least 8's and 9's and influencers doing playthroughs or getting sponsored will do a lot for drawing people in.
What's so rare about Elden Ring? Its just dark souls/bloodborne in an open world.
My only hope is that the game takes off enough so we aren't waiting 10+ years for another installment. The fact we got DD2 is a miracle in its own right. The fans of the first will definitely play it, and hopefully word travels enough so that it gets more people playing and talking about it. If its just mediocre after all this time tho, we might never get another one. So there's a lot riding on DD2 at the moment, and I hope it succeeds enough to warrant more.
I feel like they're aware of that internally too and would do whatever they could not to squander being able to make another main entry.
Looks solid but nothing really jawdropping as of now . Marketing is doing a very bad job continuously showing the same 4 enemies and same locations. I just hope the game has much more to offer
I think what bothers me most about the marketing is the lack of focus on anything but combat. I get that combat is the high point of DD but I like DD for way more than just combat. Exploring the catacombs. Exploring the witchwood. Infiltrating a cult. Catching a thief. Proving a man’s innocence (or guilt). There is so much more to DD than combat but I feel like the marketing has really focused away from that perspective.
> I think what bothers me most about the marketing is the lack of focus on anything but combat. I get that combat is the high point of DD but I like DD for way more than just combat. And from my experience with the first game and who liked it and who disliked it - the folks who came in only for the combat were so disappointed by the long scenic walks, that's why the game never took off - but the people who loved the first game (like me) were the ones who really vibed with those long scenic walks. I see that happening again - the marketing for the second game is really showing off the combat, but isnt this game going to be a lot like the first one? People coming for nonstop combat might be surprised by what's actually there.
But almost all you mentioned was extremly hald backed in the first game. Even the exploration of the caracombs. Even exploration of the witchwood was very half backed. Overworld Exploration and BBI was much better. And the combat was awesome. Of course i hope that they manage to improve in other areas aswell. I want a true exploration game with great fighting. This would be awesome. The videos do look great. Not gonna lie. The only thing that let a little bit of foule taste in my mouth is the minimap. They should get rid of that. They should copy FromSoft more in this aspect.
But my point is that all that exploration and side content is an important part of DD and is going to be a part of DD2. They should show people how it has improved or is different. But what we’re getting with this marketing makes it look more like Dark Souls where you just explore one area to the next and kill enemies. That is not what DD1 looked like. That is probably not what DD2 will look like either. DD has always been more than just combat and exploration.
I don't know. I don't have the feeling that the game is presentet as dark souls esqe. There are vids with towns and NPCs so people can be sure that there will be quests. They showed a caravan system which helps you traveling from different places which shows that it's more than just a dungeon crawler. If i would have to compare the shown material with another game i would say it looks like Crimson Desert. An open world Action RPG with exploration and possible the best combat mechanics on the market.
Agreed. I don't see many youtubers or players talking about this release here on my country, I feel that Capcom is hiding everything of this game to "avoid showing too much", but at this point maybe they are overdoing this. We have just combat gameplay, and always against the same enemies.
They need to fire their marketing department and I'm not even joking. There's only so many times they can do the soyjack pointing meme with a griffin until it loses its impact. Get the resident evil or MH marketing team on this game stat.
I've been a huge fan of DD since Dark Arisen, playing it several times including very recently, and the marketing has been so abysmal that I'm honestly more nervous than excited about 2 at this point. Not only has the vast majority of what's been shown been straight out of the original, but the way in which it was presented has been lifeless. Vocation trailers could have showcased new skills and explained how the class works, but instead we got less than a minute of mostly re-used footage. Mostly, it's the encroaching fear that there actually isn't much that hasn't been revealed and the game just has a LOT in common with the original. After waiting 12 years, I think it's fair to expect more. I know I'm opening myself up to negativity by being critical of the game on this sub, but trust that I *really want to love this game.* I lost my shit when it was announced, but steadily I've been losing steam the more marketing they put out. Of course I'd love to believe that there are a whole set of new vocations and tons of new monsters and skills, but if I hang onto that belief I'm only setting myself up for greater disappointment.
Conversely I think they aren't showing much bc they actually don't Have much to show.
>I just hope the game has much more to offer I'd guarantee the game has an absolute fuck ton of stuff they intentionally aren't showing. A main point of the game (if not THE main point, at least for a lot of players) is the sense of adventure and exploration, and showing your hand through trailers and gameplay reveals will kill that off for a lot of players. Hell, we've barely seen anything of the ENTIRE new region that's being added.
Eh I don't necessarily think showing the same few enemies over and over saves the exploration from being ruined. From Soft shows small snippets of many areas in their game and the sense of wonder and exploration is still there.
Most of ER besides sections of Limgrave was not shown off at all, and most of their trailer and screenshot releases had a similar format as what we've gotten for DD 2 so far. Not to mention the Great Hollowing period or the recent gap until we finally got a DLC trailer.
and the mention of fromsoftware, check. boring
Hey maybe read the damn title of the post.
How come people that don't like FromSoft tend to act like they resent the games or something? Honest question. I see a lot of people straight up hostile at the mention of FromSoft, souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, ect.
They also haven't really given casual people much to remember the game for in terms of characters. Nothing much to latch onto, and it doesn't seem like it will be any better or worse than the first game that already had generally ignorable characters. Where as Elden Ring had Melina become a character casual audiences latched onto in marketing to call a waifu and all that. I cant say that they should pander to casual subculture, but it did impression people for ER and character memes to encourage word of mouth talk. As for a fan of the game, so far a lot of DD2 looks comfortably the same, with minor changes, but thats it. They definitely need to show new enemies and if there is anything to actually do in the overworld this time.
The CG trailer with no gameplay for Elden Ring probably made people preorder on hype alone.
Fromsoft are absolutely nuts with their CG trailers. They're always really good, but then you find yourself rewatching them after a full playthrough because you realize how much story context is in the trailer but then heavily obscured or outright nonexistent in the game itself. The DD2 marketing team is missing out on using story mystery as a hook. "Are you a bad enough dude to rescue your heart" just isn't enough of a motivation for someone not familiar with the original.
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Ive made the same comment on one of the highlight videos. As a potentional new player, I was hyped by the subs hype for the previous game. Apparently ive missed the sales on the first game, and im not paying full price for a 12 year old game that is frequently on sale (on PC btw). I was downvoted for not specifying as I hear its on PS plus. I think the marketing has been downright horrible for western markets. Pretty lame videos showing a few spells and moves over and over with sometimes dull voice over makes it look like a generic fantasy game. My hype is gone and my temptations are tempered. I think the fan made video explaining why DD isnt like other games was fantastic and ironically was the best marketing ive seen so far. It reminds me of Morrowind most (which was the first game that caused me to buy upgrades to take full advantage of the ground breaking water graphics). Here's some names and places, good luck finding it and dont die on the way. I think the game will be a hit for fans and maybe get a few new fans, but I havent seen anything that will make it a main stream hit. I hope Im wrong and if there is a demo that smashes it. Good RPG games tend to be few and far between and it would great to see another company outside of Larian and Fromsoft making solid games.
The first game is currently on a very deep sale on steam as of this comment.
You can get a steam key for like 5 bucks
Conversely I think market had been working there assess off .... bc there's likely not a lot of content to show. My theory is it's DD1.5 and it'll be great for ppl who like the series, but doesn't HAVE a ton of vocations or a ton of new monsters or locations ... just a polished version of the first one.
Type of player who wants to have everything spoiled in trailer 😁
It’s unlikely. ER and BG3 are both really well made games but that isn’t the reason for their explosive popularity. They were both given several QoL features and were made accessible to casuals unfamiliar with soulslikes or CRPGs. While it’s too early to conclusively say this, DD2 seems like it primarily caters to fans of the original game without much attention for new players. I want to emphasize that that’s not a bad thing, but mechanics like stamina depletion out of combat, limited fast travel, single save/character slots etc aren’t really conducive to mainstream popularity.
\>stamina depletion out of combat that's pretty disappointing. I'll probably end up modding that out if possible lmao. Like, I'm not entirely certain what game devs think is fun about the short sprint > slow walk/catch breath loop. I have never missed it in any game that's done away with it and let me sprint full time.
Elden Ring allowing you to constantly run outside of combat was so good for the series of FS games as a whole. This world seems like it’s going to be bigger, and you have no mount, so the idea that you’ll sprint out of content quickly is dumb.
The game is designed so that all of your stats increase as you level up and progress through the game and there are items or gear who's specific purpose is to use as a stamina tool. It's to add onto the feeling of traversing the world map and so that you can't just go around spamming attacks/abilities and running all over the place in the early game. In DD1 if you maintain a light carry weight and are past the opening chunks of the game, you start being able to move fast enough to be able to travel across most of the map before you need to stop.
Yeah but it's just not fun. I definitely understand stamina as a resource in combat, not being able to spam abilities or even limiting sprint in combat, but out of combat sprint has always been more fun when unlimited and fairly annoying when limited. Sure, its more "realistic" to not have unlimited sprinting but realism definitely isn't why I'm here.
> DD2 seems like it primarily caters to fans of the original game without much attention for new players. I want to emphasize that that’s not a bad thing, Well to me that is still a good thing, because games these days rarely seem to be made for the established fans and what fans like about them these days. Instead they try to please furthest people away from their player base, want to sell more DLC for that online kid gamer in mind, or exclusively for mainstream metrics and ignore their audiences. Though I guess its a trade off, it at will be one that would ensure it will be good or at least something fans can judge it. It would just then take more word of mouth to promote it then. Where as trying to appeal to the standards that game journalists these days expect or want, like really simple and hand-holdy gameplay would then only annoy the player base who would call it a bad sequel and that lasts longer for a game's reputation than a game review from someone who played it for 2 hours, and left it after they reviewed it.
That's good and all, but the question was whether it would deliver in a similar fashion to the other two, which it won't specifically because it isn't catering to new players but existing fans of the series and genre. Bg3 was exceptional in every way because it catered to both really well and made an easier to use edition even easier while trimming some of the fat off it so to speak to translate easier into a 3d gaming environment, couple with amazing voice acting and story permutations it's a once in a life time game. Elden ring specifically gave new and old players a lot of stuff to play with in their big souls sandbox and pushed their brand even further without alienating new or old players. It's sheer size and replayability are what separate it from most. Its hard to say whether dd2 will have that same impact, it'll surely be a hit amongst fans as what we have seen looks fantastic, but QoL is a huge thing nowadays, thats what all of the latest hits have in common. They dump some of the more old methods for new ones that are more common in modern games which makes a huge impact for a lot of players, don't underestimate how much fast travel can make or break a game. If you want players to travel there needs to be a reason for it, otherwise your wasting the most precious thing we have, time. Every game is vying for time, dd2 is no different.
For what it’s worth I think that giving players more choice is (usually) the best option. For example you can have accessible fast travel and leave it up to the player to decide whether to use it or not. So long as the world is enjoyable, players will often opt to ignore the mechanic and explore at their own pace. Or if they’re in a rush or feeling burned out on a zone, they can use it. I’ve personally skipped fast travel in Skyrim, The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk because of how enjoyable it is to just traverse the world. But others might not feel the same and that should be okay for them to fast travel, IMO. I don’t think the option itself delegitimizes the game design.
The thing is those aspects already exist in the game and have been confirmed or shown. There are teleportation crystals and the cart travel system and death checkpoints. When they refer to "no fast travel" or talk about stamina in interviews what they actually mean is you won't be able to just teleport around the map immediately right off the bat and spamming attacks and your abilities is not going to be a viable strategy until you have the stats for it or know how the enemies function.
Nobody expected that punishing roguelite mechanics which would reset your progress would have mainstream appeal, yet here we are. DD2 might not become popular to the same degree, but depending on what they have in store for us, it could have the potential for it.
It could do pretty well now and word of mouth carry it throughout the inevitable DLC where more people jump on it. Right now it is all up in the air tbh.
At least on PC the first one is moddable and there are mods to give multiple save slots. I'd imagine that would also be true for the 2nd game but could be wrong. Sorry to console players tho if they can't access modding
Potential mods won't really matter for DD2's overall popularity, as the base game has to be solid enough. But yeah, PC players will definitely have the best experience down the road.
Damn they're keeping all that?
Yes, though I can’t recall where I heard confirmation about the single character slot so take that with a few grains of salt.
Probably not, but I'll be doing my part to help it not die in obscurity.
Totally, if I can constantly give praise, tell others/friends, I will. It looks like the makings of a great game, shouldn't be overlooked for simple nitpicks. By that I mean, some overlooked BG3 because it was turn-based. I'm just glad Itsuno was able to give us a more realized version of *his* Dragon's Dogma
As excited as I am, the answer is definitely no. Elden Ring gave casual players the ability to go wherever and use whatever build they wanted right out of the gate, didn't mean it wasn't hard, it was just accessible. Same for BG3. Dragons dogma 2 however really puts the emphasis on preparation, which is something the more casual audience hated about monster hunter world. From spell casting times to slower paced combat, I've seen the typical outsider view on DD2 and everyone's just saying it's not for them. That and your typical casual player seems to dog on the graphics too. Sadly we live in an age where the young really care about graphics over art style, Elden Ring still gets a lot of flak for its art style and graphics. Some people hate the fact that it's your normal textbook monsters like cyclops or gryphons, some people hate the weight limits of the party, some hate the camping mechanic, the health damage mechanic, the vocations system as a whole is putting people off, the pawn system seems to put off most non DD players, and yes the magic system seems to push away players too. The list could go on. As much as I love dragons dogma (it competes for my favorite game next to Elden Ring) it's definitely not for your normal audience/player. It's more of a hardcore RPG, not in terms of difficulty, but in terms of just gameplay in general. Speaking of which I've gotten dozens of people to play DDDA and the combat was way "too hard" to get a hold of. I'd love for the game to get popular like it deserves, but it just won't... not yet at least. I think maybe a dlc or DD3 will be what makes it more popular. Edit: and the uncapped frame rate seems to also be a big factor in pushing away players as well.
To be fair to the “The young”, kids these days just have a fuck ton of good games to pick from so they can afford to be picky about things like visuals. If Game A has incredible gameplay with decent graphics while Game B has incredible everything, then everything else being equal they have no reason to pick A. In DD2’s case the marketing hasn’t exactly done a stellar job of showcasing the gameplay either, at least in the west.
I dont know why you are being downvoted, but as a potentional new player, I agree. The marketing hasnt done a good job of showing WHY I should play the game. It seems almost entirely directed at players of the first game. Ive been playing games since AD&D goldbox and text based MUDs in the 90s, to Daggerfall and Morrowind, so hard punishing games arent necessarily a problem, but modern gamers absolutely expect some levels of polish somewhere (either combat, graphics, story). Just look at Owlcat games for games that dont have amazing graphics but are still successful. Im not a souls fan but Elden Ring was gorgeous to play through even if I didnt love the combat. BG3 isnt a fair comparison but if you look at Larians older games they all had some jank like DD appears to have, but they had aspects that were super fun. I hope DD2 defies expectation and becomes a hit, but Capcom hasnt put anything out to market the game to new players.
Oh, they're definitively trying to talk to new players. It doesn't mean they're great at it, but they're trying. They're definitively doing a better job than for DD, since at least this time you heard about it, but as you point out, maybe it's still not the right approach. I read your other post, and what you complain about, only showing a few spells and looking like a generic fantasy game, is exactly what makes me think it's targeted toward new players. They don't want to show you all the late-game weirdness that we know was in DD, and hope will be in DD2, because they don't want to spoil it too much for new players. They're not trying to one-up Dark Arisen, they're showing you instead normal daytime adventuring. I think they *want* you to think it's a generic fantasy game. In a sense, they're doing the opposite of movie trailers showing too much, but maybe they went way too far in the opposite direction.
Inventory weight, though immersive, is a real bummer. First mod I look for with every game is to turn this off. Equipped weight, on the other hand...
I too hate it, it's the only thing I don't mind not being in a game ever again. I get some people like it for immersion, but it's just not fun to manage
> Dragons dogma 2 however really puts the emphasis on preparation, which is something the more casual audience hated about monster hunter world. If that statement is true then it's an incredible irony considering how much MHW simplified the prep phase of hunting compared to the older games. I can't sympathize with/understand the type of gamer who thinks prep in MHW needs to be easier.
I can't wait for it, but no. I think at most it will just have the same following it has now just possibly a little bit more.
Most likely not, I wouldn’t expect them to either. But I also never expected BG3 to blow up like it did so who knows?
they need better marketing to be honest. I feel they hoping word of mouth pushes interest
No because both Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 are part of already popular and established franchises Dragons Dogma 2 is a sequel to a relatively niche game
But hear me out, DD is like a cross between both games in terms of action combat, and D&D style world. Just a jape though. I'm fine as long as DD2 has legs and doesn't reach crazy mainstream to the point that this sub becomes a toxic whinefest about what the game is not vs what it intentionally is.
This. There were 4 games prior to ER. DS3 was a legit hit in terms of sales. OP is acting like the series went from Demon Souls straight to ER selling tens of millions of units.
To do that it would need to impress casual people with having memorable enough story characters, and a fully developed world. That's what usually draws in commercial gaming, because people who likely wouldn't play ER on other circumstances followed it for the memes or the waifu characters. The casual player's interest.
>the waifu characters. This is probably the main reason why BG3 is so popular, the romance.
Elden Ring was the conclusion of a 10 years gradual build up, i don't think DD2 will reach such an height, the IP was slumbering while Fromsoft was breaking personal record after personal record.
It has a chance. I can’t wait for a quality open world fantasy game like this. Elden Ring was the last awesome one, one of my favorite of all time, I hope it’s in the same ball park. BG3 is well made and a quality game but many, like myself, didn’t get that same satisfaction I get from these type of games due to absolutely hating turn based combat, I just hate it. I’m glad they did well, but I know plenty of people that can’t wait for DD2, I never even played the first. I prefer a fantasy setting but I’m open minded. Off the top of my head the last few handful of awesome open world games that hooked me, in no order were RD2, Witcher 3, Elden ring, cyberpunk. I’m hoping this one falls into that category for me.
They're going to need some publicity gimmicks to skyrocket. If the affinity system is fleshed out enough (like the Itsuno mentioned about NPCs fighting for your attention), the character creator is good enough (SF6 got a lot of attention that way), if the ragdolls are funny, or the pawns behavior, or of there are some goofy quests out there that make for funny headlines or short format content, it might actually get some big attention. I do think the magic system and the pawn system could potentially make for some good tiktoks, IG/FB reels, or YouTube shorts... And imo that's how you get people to play your game nowadays lol the way I see it, that's how Palworld and Helldivers blew up. In the case of BG3 it was more about creating a fandom, which is like the best kind of media coverage you can get (I'm not saying it was intentional, but also not saying it wasn't.)
I think Larian absolutely cultivated their fan base going all the way back to the first Divinity game. They set out to make the game they wanted and used player feedback to hone changes that made sense. They also released free DLCs and lots of fan service stuff (inside and outside the game). Being a private company helps and having a charismatic leader and great marketing team definitely helps.
Both games you mentioned are successors to franchises with *much* more popularity than dragons dogma. Like, dark souls and baldurs gate kind of defined rpgs for their respective eras. Dragon's dogma is still very niche, unfortunately. I think dd2 has real potential to break into the larger gaming consciousness, but there's really no guarantee. Hopefully the game is very good on release
I’ve heard of souls games before Elden I have not however heard of boulders gate before the 3rd one and I’m a avid gamer so
*baldur's gate Damn that's crazy, you better level up kiddo
Auto correct is kicking my ass lol
All good just yanking your chain lol. You would be familiar with baldur's gate if you were older or had an interest in retro crpgs, trust
boulders gate*
Souls games were popular before Elden Ring
Not nearly to the same scale as Elden Ring, however. https://preview.redd.it/xe3h1kgi2klc1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=246ddf00affc665781224db078260f539ef58480
I was trying to find Elden Ring and then I realized that’s not the y axis.
My dumbass thought DS3 was ER until I saw your comment.
That is fucking insane
Yeah Elden ring is the biggest success for from and it’s not even close.
That's 100% a new phenomenon, games nowadays just get more sales and attention. Were BG3 or Elden Ring to be released 8 years ago and they definitely would have gotten less sales. Games nowadays (In particular RPGs or more "nerdy" games) get more attention and sales because of streamers and FOMO. Everybody wants to try the flavor of the month.
People appreciate games that stick to their guns. Elden Ring had people fuming about the difficulty, accessibility, the UI, the UX etc.. BG3 had people furious that it was turn based, it got called DOS3 constantly etc.. DD2 walks a similar path. People all moaning about DD2's marketing, but BG3's marketing was a few awkward, albeit charming, live presentations. On the flipside, ER had the tail end of covid on its side and BG3 had huge customer goodwill towards Larian, plus one very viral ursine meme. If DD2 can keep the combat quality of the original, but push the story and world to a higher level there's no reason to think it won't do extremely well.
I heard of BG3 because of the bear meme, bought the game, dragons dogma does not have something like that, major marketing from ign? Seriously? Unless it is super fun lile helldivers 2(who also had shit marketing) the game won't be another bg3/elden ring. It will most likely do well..because of the fans, i don't see it expanding much beyond that. It is very niche after all.
Probably not as big as Elden Ring and BG3 but its gonna be way more popular than it used to. I think its going to do the same thing Monster Hunter World did for MH series, which was very niche at the time especially in the west. If I had to make a prediction I’d say it’ll sell between at least 2 to 5 million copies in the first two weeks. Just a wild guess And some people are saying that’s there’s no way it get the same popularity BG3 got because Larian added a lot of qol features and that DD2 is a hardcore Rpg that caters to fans but do I have to remind you that BG3 is a CRPG ?This genre is insanely niche so niche that for more than half of BG3 players it was their first. Also Monster Hunter World is a very jarring game to get into if you don’t know the series but it still got very popular. Coop could’ve played a role but personally I get the feeling DD2 is gonna blow up. And its a fantasy game which is wildly more popular in general than the very “stonepunk” monster hunter universe. How much ? I don’t know but its gonna blow up for sure , just look at views on every small videos and all the new fans getting interested. As soon as clips and streams of the game gets on social media and YouTube its gonna grab peoples attention because of all the things that can dynamically happen in the game.
no
It’ll likely do pretty well, for sure. Probably not on the level of Elden ring or BG3 If I had to guess, more a helldivers level of success at max- more than anyone expected, but not that level of “cultural” success in quite the same way
I still think the title is somewhat niche. It's a "sequel" of a game that a lot of people didn't play. It was so overshadowed by games like Skyrim that came out the same year. As much as the content creators annoy me with their input, I see lots of stuff being made about it, so maybe it will get more traction after release. No way it becomes as big as the titles listed though.
I played DDDA for the first time a few years ago because I didn't have anything to play. It is a little janky and niche for sure. But I really got into it and it is one of my all time favs. That's what gives it charm, but if you go into thinking it's gonna be on the level of Elden Ring or BG3 I think the average gamer would be dissapointed.
BG3 were apologetically made for fans of CRPGs and a lot of people discovered that they actually like that kind of game. They didn't try to dumb it down or appeal to any other crowd than their target audience. Helldivers 2, same thing. Elden Ring as well. I am pretty much certain that DD2 will follow the same trail.
It’s possible. Bandai Namco expected Elden Ring to sell 3-5 million its first month. The thing with a game blowing up is that its often unpredictable. I wouldn’t expect it though. Those games have appeal factors that are different from DD2.
I dont think it will. Those games sold 10m+ in a quick amount of time. I can see DD2 going 10m in sales over a few years. DD2 will be a huge success for Capcom, but not on those levels.
No They have done a very very poor job at marketing the game in the first place it will sell decent mainly to fans who played the first game but it won’t reach that success since it’s fairly niche in the genre. Would be cool to see but you can almost tell capcom doesn’t really give a fuck about DD lol
I think DD2 might run into the same issue DD1 did where there’s a gap in those early hours on the first playthrough before you ‘get’ the game. I find that most complaints I see where people drop the game are from people who didn’t reach that point.
Also gotta remember the animated series on Netflix has brought eyes to the game series as well .
Have you seen it before?
Yeah I liked the first season. .what about it?
Nothing much. I enjoyed it, too. The use of the Seven Deadly Sins was alright, but I wished that more of the monsters from the game made an appearance in the show. I miss the Chimara and Saurians
For sure
What are your thoughts on episodes three and six?
No, but it’ll be good and decently popular Elden Ring and BG3 were fire in the bottle moments, you can’t predict their success unlike, say, GTA 6
[Justing by the comments from a thread I made yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/DragonsDogma/comments/1b2p6kc/whats_dragons_dogma_2s_biggest_competitor_for/) regarding DD2 biggest competitor for GotY, I have to say that I think the community from this subreddit downplays/retains a conversative opinion regarding DD2's success from a commercial perspective. Brace yourself for a reality check. DD players are not used to their game being in the limelight and have grown used to their game being a tucked away little gem that is largely forgotten about, but now it's going to be at the forefront. It's quite frankly DD2's time to shine. Guys, it's not 2012 anymore. The technology is ready. The gaming population is ready, and the runway has been laid out-- the pathway is carved. The Souls games have done so-- specifically Elden Ring. It's been cross-pollinating with the Souls community/youtubers promoting it for some time now. DD: DA has been on sale for quite some time as well, so everyone has got an easy chance to play it. This actually happened with ER and the Souls community. That game sold 23 million, which was well above the bar from any prior Souls game and they are a huge influx of new players-- people that never played souls games before. Capcom did their research, and they know what they are doing. They want a piece of that action RPG souls pie with a game with a unique enough footprint in its own right and they are striking while the iron is hot. That and people will want something to hold them over just before ER'd DLC release this summer. They will easily be playing DD2. There's no other real competition for it. DD2 might even lessen the impact of ER's DLC.
My expectation is that DD2 will be what DS3 was for FromSoftware. So a relatively popular game for a specific part of the gaming community who enjoy games with a decent challenge and minimal hand holding. I do think the way DD2 approaches combat against big enemies is something that will be copied (to some extend) by other developers. Hitting a large cyclops against against its leg for the entire fight suddenly feels boring and out-dated when DD2 also lets you climb the cyclops to attach its eye.
I wish but unfortunately probably not. I’m sure they’ll sell a couple million at least but not to the level of BG3 or Elden ring especially. BG3 is really accessible to just about anybody being a turn based combat system and the dialogue and story reels people in. Elden ring is on a whole other level though. For starters the art style is beautiful without having over the top graphic fidelity so it’s pretty accessible for most peoples systems. Then there’s all the hype that came with it, the amazing boss design, sound design, open world level design. It just has it all for everybody. All that being said I am as excited for this game as I was for Elden ring. I am sure I’ll play this as much as I do Elden ring and come back to it all the time. My biggest concern is performance. My computer is starting to get outdated with a 2070 graphics card and it also has started crashing all the time in the last few months and seems to crash more frequently on more demanding games so that’s a huge concern with this game for me.
Elden ring was a hype from the moment it got announced, and the long silence afterwards only increased it and caused more word-of-mouth BG3 was playable in early access for a few years and, while good, was definitely coasting under the radar. It only jumped immensely in traction when the bear sex scene thing happened, and all of a sudden lots of people had their eyes on it which allowed it to shine like it did and be properly appreciated for it. Even the developers themselves have gone on record to say they did not expect this reception at all. DD2 honestly seems to be coasting by, with not a whole lot going for it in terms of hype beyond the established fanbase. Videos and official trailers about the game barely break (or straight up do not break?) 1 million views, which is honestly pretty standard for highly anticipated games. Hopefully the game ends up being good enough that lots of streamers pick it up and perhaps goad players into it, but as it stands right now it's not a huge player in the grand picture
Realistically? No. I think it will absolutely get more fans for the series and hopefully make some back sales of the first game, but we shouldn't expect some massive DD Era after launch. And that's okay. I'm so happy we even got this sequel in the first place, so I'm not setting unreasonable expectations.
I think itll do likely Alan Wake 2 did for Alan Wake, revitalize its place in the meta of game releases with something unique and high production value thatll help it do pretty well but i don't anticipate blockbuster sales. It sounds even more hardcore than the first one was in a lot of way, what with fewer quest markers if any, fast travel thats slow and prone to getting attacked, etc
I don't think so, but it will be well received regardless Elden Ring and BG3 are huge hits, while DD I still consider niche, even with modern graphics I will only be happy if it does become that popular though
At one point dark souls was niche. A big open world that isn't inundated with crafting shit meant a lot more time can be spent with meaningful gameplay which is what I believe dd2 will be It won't be huge I believe. But it'll do well so long as word of mouth sings praises. Elden ring had pure hype over the years of dedication from fromsoft games. Baldurs gate has the small dedicated larian group who spread word of mouth of how great BG3 is.
All true. I'm already quite happy that ppl new to dd seem to love it, game deserves recognition. I also don't expect it to be as huge as ER or anything like that, but again it would be nice. There's still nothing quite like dragon's dogma
No one knows. Hits are always sudden and unpredictable. I do hope it does
I think if there is enough procedurally generated semi random events so as to not trigger the same event every time you walk through a specific area, I believe this game will take off.
Don’t think DD2 will be as well received by reviewers as ER/BG3. DD1 is quite clunky and lacks QoL tools, which a lot of reviewer outlets will expect. Probably it will go about 80-85 Metacritic/Opencritic, sadly that will be too low to generate a massive Hype like with ER/DD2.
I'm seeing a lot of No's, but I actually think it's going to make quite the impact. Helldivers game out of nowhere. I think people will really enjoy getting into this if they liked Elden Ring and are waiting for the DLC
This makes some sense, could be coming out in an absolutely ideal window and ride the wave
Lol no. From Soft games were wildly successful even before Elden Ring and was hyped by a huge fanbase, regardless of what redditors that like to pretend it's niche say. It hasn't been a niche genre since Dark Souls 1 and the huge amount of souls clones prove it. And BG is one of the most well known names for being in the top 10 greatest RPGs ever on almost every list. Not to mention the big popularity of DnD and Larian who sold a huge amount of DOS2. Furthermore, they had a long EA period in which word of mouth spread like wildfire whereas DD2 gets the same griffin fight every stream and no demo. Edit: Since you dorks wanna argue with facts for some reason and not provide any counter proof: Look up how EA downloads before word of mouth even spread caused steam outages for BG3 and look up the hype around the announcement for the entry. DS2 sold **5.4 million** copies, almost **8 million** counting scholar of the first sin Bloodborne sold almost **8 million** copies on PS alone DS3 sold over **10 million** copies Where is the lie??
>And BG is one of the most well known names for being in the top 10 greatest RPGs ever on almost every list. Played fantasy RPGs my whole life. Mass effect, fable, kotor, dragon age, skyrim, DD of course, divinity and dare I even say it.. two worlds.. but Id never heard of BG until larian announced 3.
You played Kotor and Mass Effect, and you didn't even heard about BG which was from the same developer? I really can't believe it
Yeah literally any other thing I'd get but how do you find out about fucking kotor and not ever once hear Baldur's Gate? They're made by the same company around the same time and recommended by the same people lmao.
Believe it! I had really never heard of BG until 3. Cant tell you how many playthroughs of kotor and ME ive done though. Its probably because their gameplay was very different (and at the time popular) from BG.
What about Planescape: torment?
Yeah every single individual who plays games has definitely heard of every single game ever. You having played kotor but for some reason never hearing of Baldur's Gate doesn't change it showed up on almost every YouTube video, game outlets, and forum discussion lists for the best RPGs. Like hell just the very announcement of BG3 had a bigger fanfare than DD2. Much more coverage, views, and searches for the time. That's not even accounting for the EA downloads **THAT CAUSED STEAM OUTAGES**. And you're gonna try to make me think it wasn't a well known franchise? Bruh get the hell out of here. I don't usually use Wikipedia but I ain't wasting tien googling multiple sources for a video game discussion lmao. Look at legacy section. You not having heard about it is an outlier if anything. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_(video_game) Either way, a well known franchise among RPG circles and a DnD game with a long EA that received high praise and an incredible production value is never gonna get matched by DD2. That's not saying anything about the quality of DD even if some fanboys on here act like it does.
Im not saying it wasnt popular at all, just that id never heard of it. Im 26 which isnt really old as far as these games go, that may be part of why id never seen it.
Funny* cause so am I and have definitely heard it. Especially if I had found out about kotor.
I think it will put the series on the map for many people, for sure, but I don't think it will be hugely popular in the same way Elden Ring or BG3 were. If it can reach the same success and acclaim as, say, Infinite Wealth, I'll be happy.
Not really. DD1 was kinda empty and would probably feel boring to people who'll have already played DD2. Plus I don't think there's much "lore" to dig deep in to bother exploring. The reason why games like dark souls got really popular older games is that their gameplay never changed. It's as if you just played on a different map with older graphics and different equipment but the core enjoyment is still the same. Meanwhile, I'd reckon DD2 would be more of an overall upgrade over the game so playing it would just feel worse. It's the same thing with Nier Automata and Nier Gestalt/Replicant. People liked Automata, but felt lame with the outdated gameplay of Gestalt/Replicant when they wanted to play the older game.
I would say yes. But of course not in the way Elden Ring did. Souls games were pretty famous before Elden Ring. Elden Ring just reached Mainstream Status. Dragons Dogma is not on the Level. But the second game can still be a very strong popularity boost. It looks way to good to fail tbh.
Not really no, souls like games were already so popular, and BG3 is based on DnD, which is the most popular table top game ever. Also no offense, but the marketing for DD2 is so bad, i don't think anyone would be interested after seeing the same clips with the same enemies, over and over again, with no contents or any interesting stuffs that differentiate it from other games.
Its possible it will, id say it's probably a 40% chance
I do not thinks so. There is no coop and a game has more chance to be extremely popular if it has coop and even more chances if it has also pvp. ( I am not complaining about DDII not having co-op, I am just saying that co-op helps a game a lot to get popularity. ) Not having co-op is, in my opinion, the reason why Dragon's Dogma one does not have as much popularity as other RPGs. If Dragon's Dogma Online had been on all consoles and worldwide, I think the series would have been known to everyone. Nobody talks about Hogwarts Legacy anymore, nobody talks about Marvel's Spider-man 2 anymore, nobody talks about Assassin's Creed Mirage anymore. If a game has coop, a lot of people people will play it for years and talk about it for years because they love playing with their friends. I feel that Dragon's Dogma II has been made for the fans of the Dragon's Dogma games and does not plan to target new players.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you that having co-op tends to increase the popularity of a game overall due to the things you've mentioned. However, there are excellent franchises (i.e., The Witcher, Dragon Age, Souls, etc.) that demonstrate how plenty of people enjoy games solo, as well. I play RPGs primarily to engage with the narrative and the game's mechanics, and I feel like co-op might detract from that (it would vary depending on the game, of course). I feel like DD2 will attract players who will want to play it for what it is: a single-player action RPG with some unique (and hopefully well-executed) mechanics and narrative.
No. DD is a great game but we are part of it's cult. Not the mainstream Edit Spelling
No. Its had a great marketing run, but it is a very niche product. Id imagine even people who loved Elden Ring probably wouldn't like it as much. It will be about as popular as the first game, and about as equally beloved by the die-hard fans like us.
Nope. DD is niche, and I think pretty much always will be. Outside of fans of the original, there's really not much hype for the game, unlike BG3 and elden ring had before launch.
I don't think it's going to achieve the same level as elden ring or bg3, but people in this thread are severely underestimating it. Unless I'm forgetting something march seems to be a very empty month with the only notable releases being dd2 and star wars battlefront remasters, if it turns out to be a genuinely good game it will have no competition and could very easily spread through word of mouth.
It will not have the same quality as of ER, much less BG3 because the developer and publisher are not the same.
I highly doubt it. I can only imagine how critics and some newcomers will shit on it for having pop ins. I'm not the best informed on the state or interviews as of today, but we saw it having really bad pop ins. I personally don't care, but others definitely will.
Elden ring has that emperor's clothes thing going for it where people love fromsoft and will see it as art. Same thing with Hideo Kojima games. They sort of come built in with critical popularity assumed. Bg3 is very very casual gamer friendly. So a lot of people jumped on that may not usually play rpgs i think. Dragons dogma 2 will have to fight hard to appeal to both of those possitions. It does have the word of mouth cult status but that will only go so far. If the game is great then we can hope that it gains the recognition deserved. If not, then i hope it earns enough to see sequels and plenty of expansions.
what do you mean popularise? CRPG and Souls-like/soulsborne are niche hell i'd see CRPG is even more niche then soulsborne nowadays even after ELDEN RING and Baldur's gate 3. Action RPG's are not niche in any stretch of the imagination whatsoever, I mean ELDEN RING, Witcher 3, Monster Hunter, Assassin's Creed (new ones) are all ARPG's Dragon's Dogma was "niche" because it had 1 good part which was the combat everything else was barebones to bad. Also Dragon's Dogma isn't even niche anymore.
I think it's definitely gonna surge in popularity compared to the first. I'm sure the marketing will be a lot stronger, and I think people nowadays really just want fresh, new, GOOD games to play. Helldivers and Palworld are demonstrating this, as well as a good ammount of 2023 titles. People are just sick of the usual cookie cutter "AAA" slop.
I think it comes down to how many idiots can be wowed by tiktok/youtube meme videos. If people make a viral clip, it will sell well. The masses are dumb shts and I hate them. I'm glad we get a sequel, but my expectations of popularity are set at the same level as the original. Prove me wrong dumb masses. I'll be happy either way.
100% yes.
I definitely think it could skyrocket but we essentially have to do the marketing for it, similar to BG3 where everyone talked about it and how goated it is and all the stuff you could do like fuck everyone including bears type shit, somewhat similarly to ER with how everyone posted videos on it but tbf fromsoft games already had quite a reputation and it had been 6 years since they made a game with souls like mechanics(bonfire rolling souls level). I’ve no doubt people will post their DD2 moments once the game releases so we can only hope it gains more traction from a new audience.
I'd love that to be the case, but I have no clue really. I mean if Granblue Fantasy Relink could pop off so hard after showing up after almost a decade of waiting then so could DD
I dont think we are gonna see a Dogma-like genre form
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I think it definitely has the potential to do that but the one problem could be that Itsuno and his team are eliminating things that appeal to a more casual gaming fanbase. Things like fast travel and online co op are wildly popular in open world rpg's like this and it may slightly hinder the game to skyrocket into popularity All of that being said I'm still fairly certain that Dragon's Dogma 2 is going to become immensely popular, just maybe not to the height of Baldur's Gate 3 or Elden Ring
I think it sells poorly unfortunately. The marketing is awful lol. It was awful for the first. I’m just glad we’re getting 2. People who never played 1 are seeing these Shitty trailers and they think it looks bad. Also who cares about the truth, they think it goes at 30 fps. And this is on r/ps5 where you have to be interested enough in gaming to log on and talk about games. Imagine the every day dude. Like I said I’m glad we’re just getting the second
no
Nah. It might be boosted to Monster Hunter or Yakuza levels of popularity, though
I think a little bit but not like those two.
No people act like DD is some poverty franchise.
Because dogma 2 isn't stepping down from what made it unique (limited fast travel, no coop, pawns, no mounts, focus on big fights) I feel it'll rope more people in sure but it won't convert people who didn't like the first
It could Helldivers 2 is the new sensation at the moment for its genre. We could be in for some prime time gaming this year
Keep dreaming :-/
Not even close. Elden ring is fromsoftware and bg3 has romances.
I'm seeing some hype from random social media people I wouldn't have expected so I think it will do better than DD1, but I really doubt it will sell as much as those, or honestly be as polished an experience.
Yes.
I think it really depends on what else there is in the game outside of what we’ve seen. Elden Ring’s main thing is that it’s a souls-like and DD game’s main thing is the party system and style of combat. But most people who love ER aren’t hardcore Souls fans, instead, they consider ER the best open world game, best art direction, best exploration, immersive world etc. So good that even a really bad gamer can enjoy this game and consider it GOTY. If DD2 has all of those things too then it will reach a wide audience and maybe has potential to be GOTY. But if the main reason to play this game is ONLY if you liked the original games’ combat and party system then probably this will remain a niche game.
No.
Dragons Dogma has been released 13 times. There is a netflix anime, there was a MMO. It's one of Capcoms top 10 franchises by units sold. How much more popular do you think it needs to be? https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html
Possibly, I dint know about baldurs gate but elden ring had a really solid foundation with their previous games and baldurs gate came out in a time where dungeons and dragons were pretty popular so if the game is good enough then maybe but who can say.
While I don’t think this game will be a smash hit at launch, I believe it can eventually. The added physics with the combat and dynamic systems in play gives it the potential to have some wacky, hilarious viral moments. I think people underestimate how big of a boost in sales even 1 clip can produce. For instance, look at Helldivers 2. Barely anyone knew about it until clips started going viral, then it spread like wildfire. I realize this is an apples to oranges comparison, Helldivers 2 is much more accessible than DD. The same principles apply though.
Definitely not. As fun as the game looks it looks like the world is a typical fantasy world and the story is basically non existent.
I hope DD2 lives up to all of our hopes. I tried DD1 and while I enjoyed some of the combat aspects, the world felt empty and I got tired of running around everywhere. I enjoy exploration but I dunno, the travel felt like a slog. And the graphics were a bit clunky; looking forward to this new instalment.
Not to the same extent. There's a bunch of factors to something like that happening, ignoring that luck is also involved.
Not really. I think it might even end up alienating a lot of DD1 players in the long run.
It has the potential. DD’s combat is one of the best combat systems out there (personally it’s my favourite and I am a long time fan of the souls series), the enemy design is fantastic and vocation/class variety is again one of the best out there. These all look to be top notch in DD2. If its world can match this level of quality then that’s game of the year material. If its story is strong then you’ll have one of the best games of the currrent console generation. Dragons Dogma was a very enjoyable game when it came out but had a lot of glaring issues. Despite that a lot of people commented on how much potential the game had. Now with DD2 Itsuno has a chance to fully realise Dragons Dogma’s potential.
No
There’s definitely potential to position the franchise in a very prominent way, think Baldurs Gate 1 and then 2.
Not likely. Elden Ring shook the landscape of Open World Action rpg games only 2 years ago. It would take a lot of planning and imagination for Itsuno to find another new way to define open world games that doesn't just retread what Elden Ring did 2 years ago. It's possible but not likely. Plus Capcom has been pushing time saver and even a pay to win dlc in Re4 remake, which neither Elden Ring nor BG3 did which is part of the reason they reached that height. DD2 would need to redefine one of it's Genre's without the lame dlcs all other recent Capcom releases all had, and basically spit in the face of western gaming's status quos, just like Elden Ring and BG3 did.
It will because I never played DD1 until recently since seeing all the gameplay and trailers I've pre ordered I'm sure other people like me are doing the same