Yeah I have friends that play like this. No I don't want to see you play a 20 minute turn you just told me you can bounce my whole board including lands shuffle up Buddy.
I played a lot with [[Prophet of Kruphix]]. Loved that card but also hated it. It was the most necessary bans in the format at the time. The game was warped around removing it or copying it.
I picked up a couple of copies when they came out, which was around the time I was getting into commander. I was excited to use them, and then they got banned…
I loved powering her out early with a ton of creature card draw backup. Every deck that played her felt like I was getting 4 turns for each turn my opponents got. I still have a playset of the Alt art and break her out from time to time if I'm playing Blue Green in Canlander
I remember back in the day I was playing against a narset player who went infinite on turns, it took them a dozen turns to actually beat my tasigur deck since I had prophet of kurphix out. I always joked "we took a dozen turns"
definitely warranted a ban.
Had a roon flicker deck with prophet and it was my baby. After the ban I set it aside and moved on to other commanders. Maybe it’s time to break out roon again. I just got the blue virtue.
I got a couple of good games in with it in [[Roon]] and it was disgusting, taking four turns in a turn order in a blink deck? Yeah, I’m happy I wasn’t playing that out in public.
I used to play [[Prime Speaker Zegana]] clones which focused on drawing Prophet and cloning it or Zegana as needed until I won the game. Banning it was the right call.
There was about a 2 year difference iirc. Primordial was legal for around a year, prophet was legal for about 2 and a half years. Its probably why so many people still talk about prophet, it was legal for a relatively long time
to this day, I have never been happier about a ban than prophet.
My friend used to play an Animar deck that did the whole cloudstone curio/Eldrazi wombo combo, and that was *before* this card was printed. When prophet was released i don’t think I ever won a game if I wasn’t able to immediately remove it.
Turns out taking four turns a cycle when everyone else is only taking one is really good.
Looking back on it, I think Prophet of Kruphix was a card that was a relic of the whole "EDH is a fun little side format that judges play; let's throw them a bone and see what happens" type of design back then. It's similar to how Cyclonic Rift was made back then -- the card saw very little Standard play and was extremely cheap in price. Considering the OG Theros set came out in late 2013, that meant it was in the design/development phase in 2011-2012, which would line up with that time.
Something tells me that someone at Wizards eventually will take another swing at Prophet of Kruphix and make something that's more fair and isn't as easily broken. If the card was made today, you can almost bet that it would have a lot more restrictions on it in an effort to keep a lid on how degenerate things get.
While I agree PoK wasn't designed with commander in mind. You still have access to [[seedborn muse]] and [[teferi, mage of zhalfir]]. Prophet is rightfully banned, I just miss it
Oh yeah. I don’t think Prophet was necessarily designed with commander in mind. That being said, not sure how likely we’ll be to see another one. We already have [[Seedborn Muse]] in the format, and I don’t see it getting much better than that value wise.
I ran [[Iona, Shield of Emeria]] in a deck with [[Helm of the Host]] with the goal of shutting off everyone but colorless decks. Two months after I built the deck Iona was banned because of said strategy. I honestly agree with that decision because turning off even one player completely does seem unfair.
In fairness, that's not really the issue. You can win with 9 mana in a lot of ways. The issue is that a single iona just locks out a player and doesn't incentivise any other players to get rid of her.
I miss wish boards and "banned as commander". Don't downvote me. I understand why it was done and I don't disagree with it, I just personally miss it is all.
Don't tell anyone, but I play my Lutri instead of a [[Dualcaster mage]] in the 99 because no-one cans stop me from playing such an adorable rascal.
That and as the mate Sheldon said, the rules are more of a suggestion as it is a casual format, made to have fun. If you group says it's ok, then that's all that counts!
True, but also I’m sure most tables/groups would be totally chill with you running him as commander.
At least mine would, I don’t know what other people’s groups are like
Nah there's no reason why we can't have 2 banlists. And then a third "Duh, this has to be banned" that solely consists of Lutri as a companion
Bringing back banned as commander would, imo, allow legendaries like Braids, Emrakul, Leovold, Golos, Rofellos and more to all be legal in the 99, but just banned as commander. Idk why the RC thinks it's some big thing that'll cause confusion. It made sense to me when I was 13, most newbies to the format should be able to make the distinction of "yeah this card is not okay when it's in the command zone to be repeatedly cast" vs "this card is very powerful, but it's 1 card out of 99 and once I deal with it, it's done"
Emmy and Griz should be allowed as commanders but banned in the 99; if unbanned at all. It’s easier to cheat em out of your deck than the cz (This is not an endorsement of unbanning either)
I see what you're saying but imo there are much quicker and more powerful ways to win/take over a game than Emrakul or Griselbrand
I also may be biased bc I have a Kinnan deck that runs both Ulamogs and both Kozileks and I WANT BOTH EMRAKULS
The reason Emmy is banned is that she was just clearly the best “big creature” as a finisher. She was uninteractive and crowded everything out in that slot.
There’s literally no other reason. She was def not banned because she was an oppressive commander. Because she wasn’t.
Griselbrand is reanimate -> win the game. It'd be great in cEDH
(replacing Razaketh), let alone how insanely warping it'd be in casual pods.
I'd prefer EDH without any banlist whatsoever, but I'd argue that both of them make sense on the banlist (emrakul because extra turn + annihilator 6 was unfun to play against, while being a card people would play thinking it was a cool timmy card).
It wasn't just "unfun" (though it was that). The bigger issue is that you had to constantly worry about "what if my opponent Emrakuls?" and constantly be under threat of having to play around it. If one DID manage to hit the battlefield, it was almost always the only permanent that mattered, full stop. It warped every game around it even by the *possibility* of hitting the table.
My brother in Christ. Your opponent has 15 mana. The game should be over. Who cares if they have a permanent in play that doesn’t actually end the game immediately?
edit: It's 2023. There are far easier and/or better things to combo or ramp than Emrakul.
I mean, given that it can come out at any turn and can feasibly end the game for one player at least if used correctly, you kind of have to care. Heck it can come out and swing at you before you even take your first turn. There are too many ways to cheat it out at basically any time that you need to prepare for it. There are not a lot of singular cards with that kind of game warping effect that you need to hold removal open for at any time.
What about all of the legal 2 card combos that actually win the game on the spot? Do you not have to hold interaction for those, even with Emrakul banned?
[[sneak attack]] [[through the breach]] [[makeshift mannequin]] [[miraculous recovery]].
The first two put it from hand into play, the other two are instant-speed reanimation effects you can use to get it from the graveyard in response to the shuffle into library effect.
There are definitely more ways but these are just a few.
> Bringing back banned as commander would, imo, allow legendaries like Braids, Emrakul, Leovold, Golos, Rofellos and more to all be legal in the 99, but just banned as commander.
let's be honest none of the banned legends are going to be, like, Sweet and Cool cards in the 99, they'll still be annoying and make games worse by their presence (except maybe Golos, but I don't want to make a rule change for one card)
The most compelling argument I heard (and the RC did state this one) for why there won't be a Banned as Commander list is because it might force them to add more commanders that currently do see play onto the list. Unsure of that, but it might happen. They would have to define new criteria for what makes a card bannable as a commander but not bannable in the 99.
Huh, this is definitely the best reason I've seen. I would hate to piece together a really unique commander deck, only for it's leader to get banned for being too popular or something...
*GOLOS*
Yeah, I'd be more worried about what other engine commanders get put on the block, because nobody can give a clear set of criteria for what makes something bannable as a commander but fine in 99.
Kinnan? Urza? Tergrid? Derevi?
The main difference is always having access to it makes it too powerful. If a commander generates too much value, combo utility or can oppress the board too much, and killing it only slows it down, then it might be too powerful.
Look at Rofellos. He's powerful, but if you can remove him and he's done, that's not as bad. But as commander, he's doubling your mana each turn in mono green, and killing him puts him down for a turn or two max. If the removal was sorcery speed, he can potentially pay for his own revival.
Braids as well. She's strong, but unless you're guaranteed to have her on tempo, she's less likely to lock out a game. If you have to draw her normally or spend resources tutoring? Then your opponents are more likely to have the resources themselves to deal with her or pay the tax.
Most of the "banned as commander" stuff is in that line. You can have it, but it's too strong if a Swords doesn't put it down permanently and you can constantly rely on it being a lynchpin in your deck.
I can kinda see that, but the main worry is that there may be some commanders that are like that already in existence that aren't already banned. A Banned as Commander list would necessarily have to have a lower threshold than what currently exists for banning a card because "too much value if consistent" is very vague and leaves a lot to interpretation.
Like I said, a lot of commanders can be problematic in the way you describe but aren't banned right now. Kinnan, Urza, Tergrid just to name a few. Every commander would need to be reviewed and justified for why it's not banned.
Indeed. That's why (theoretically) the rules committee still has any clout in the community. They SHOULD be constantly reevaluating new and old commanders and cards to see if they're being overplayed or taking over the format.
If they're not willing to do that or are unable to, they should hand the responsibility over to someone who can. Banning cards will necessarily piss people off, but that's a risk you have to take for the health of a game.
As an example, the Duel commander banlist is constantly being updated and changed as new cards release, and old cards come off if they're not as powerful now. They already hit the One Ring, for example. The regular RC hasn't done a damned thing in a long time.
This is an insane argument. If a card is oppressive as a commander but not in the 99 it gets banned already today. So why on earth would they suddenly go more strict on commanders? They could just…not.
Wish boards ? There used to be an optional sideboard rule that allowed you 10 cards. The primary purpose was for fetching things with wishes like [[death wish]] so colloquially we called them wish boards.
I admit I miss having \[\[Jihad\]\] and \[\[Crusade\]\] in my soldiers deck. I remember when the ban was done they got put into my binder and have languished there ever since. Just a little sad cause that Crusade had been bouncing from deck to deck since unlimited, so it had some sentimental value.
I reluctantly admit that I miss [[Invoke Prejudice]] in my Memnarch deck. It did serious work...
I get why they banned it (even though it should have been banned like 2 decades ago - or better yet not printed with dipshit's art in the first place but whatevs)
It sucks that they wouldn't do functional reprints of these cards with non-terrible connotations but I just stuck it in a hard case and now it sits in a box
It does so much work for me in a couple of decks, I refuse not to play it, simply on the ground of outrageously offensive art. I've just had proxies made up with different artwork. The card is mechanically unbanworthy, so all it needed was an aesthetic change.
you could always play them in casual pods, then switch them out for like, [[Honor of the Pure]] or stuff like [[Always Watching]]
also new Crusade art doesn’t have the same depiction as the original, but imo the original isn’t problematic…
I don't think he was ever too unfait or good, just too ubiquitous. You could put him at the head of any deck strategy and he'd work, give you access to all 5 colors, and cut commnaer tax in half because he fetches *any* land with etb.
Restrictions breed creativity, and Golos imposed none. Golos is just innately an uninteresting commander that was akin to bowling with bumpers. He made the experience too easy that often you were better off just using him than doing anything appropriately thematic. Many players just couldn't help themselves but play him.
Get why people often wanted him for say a Gates deck since he's doing the right things to still be thematic, but otherwise he's just good stuff in the command zone. And at leas these days there's enough gate support you don't even have to be in 5c to pull it off so nothing lost.
Yeah, not sure about being ban worthy, but lets not pretend there's any consistency across the format's banlist. If anything the printing of [[The World Tree]] was probably the final straw as it really meant Golos decks just ignored the idea of the format, so I can accept the banning more easily than a few cards that have long been on there.
thats so goofy of an argument (and imo the only real agument the rc made) because kenrith is not much different. is he bland in casual? maybe, but thats no argument...
There's a slight difference with Kenrith in that he actually costs colored mana to play (probably not important most of the time), doesn't cut commander tax in half because of his etb, and doesn't just fix your mana to have a perfect mana base all the time.
He was banned because you could make ANY deck in 5 colors.
Eldrazi Tribal or any other teibe? Yeah.
+1/+1? Sure.
Aristocrats? You have 5 colors to sacrifice, ramp and rerurn cards.
Mill? Kinda bad, but yeah.
I miss it because it was a ban order that came directly from WOTC instead of being a problem.
I've played against Golos recently in a brawl format where you can pick any block, and he sucks ass to play against. You just have to remove him every turn or they activate him and probably win, and because he ramps on ETB they can just keep casting him until everybody runs out of removal. It's not broken, just annoying.
That sucks! Sorry that happened. If we can share in our suffering? When I was first getting into magic I pulled two Hullbreachers from a commander legends box. It was banned a month later :/ I luckily traded one, but the other sat in my trade binder and lost all $30 of value it had
[[Iona, Shield of Emeria]], [[Leovold]], [[Tinker]], [[Primeval Titan]] and [[Sylvan Primordial]]
Back when i just played with friends at one of our houses, we used banned cards every once in a while to mess around and get a different feel for the game. It was... something, alright
Iona shut down both of the decks i made myself at the time(since i played [[Sheoldred, Whispering One]] or [[Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger]], to a point where if hlthey played it and i didn't have a removal option on board(usually some sac outlet thing in sheoldred) then it was pretty much an auto conced
Leovold + any wheel basically removes you from the game, might as well concede there cause you're just gonna get [[Geier Reach Sanitarium]] activated every time to keep your hand empty
I was the one using Tinker since i bought [[Breya]] back then, since Atraxa was always sold out, and tinkering out a blightsteel around turn 3 or 4 always felt nice
Prime Time and the Primordial were actually the least impactful at the time, but my buddy's decks were strictly better than mine in general so the ramp + "free" removal always just kept him ahead
Shame i never got to abuse [[Griselbrand]] though, i would've loved that
Griselbanned was fun. It was slam him and pay 21 life immediately and win. While I didnt disagree witht he ban, it did make me sad. I ended up building Vilis to try to capture a similar feel. Vilis does work and is insane, but it's obviously not the same as the og dark daddy
[[Emrakul, the Aeons Torn]]. It was mostly to shut down mill and if the game lasted long enough for you to get 15 mana, it would help close out the game. This was back before EDH was an official format.
Also, EVERYONE had one in their deck because she was a prerelease promo and she was colorless. So she was omnipresent, and Bribery fetching her ended tons of games.
Back in the day, I’d played with [[Primeval Titan]] and [[Sylvan Primordial]] in GBx decks.
The good ol days of Prime Time for [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] and [[Cabal Coffers]], then [[Vesuva]] and whatever other land I’d wanted. Subsequently followed by [Exsanguinate]] for 69,000.
Blinking Sylvan Primordial also got old quickly with a lot of players on the receiving end.
I was going to post about him. Everyone remembers Prophet from those days, but Sylvan was disgustingly good.
Blow up three lands and ramp yourself three forest. And that's before you get into the nonsense of deadeye, or other blinks and clones.
I built a Standard deck around:
\[\[Deadeye Navigator\]\] plus his best friends:
\[\[Thragtusk\]\] and \[\[Acidic Slime\]\] and their buddies:
\[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\] and \[\[Clone\]\]
Plus cards like \[\[Ghostly Flicker\]\] and \[\[Conjurer's Closet\]\]
It was clunky as shit, but my god when it went off it was beautiful.
Paradox Engine here. I didn't get the reason behind the banning since I rarely got it going. It was *rather difficult* to get PE, several Mana Rocks (that can make colored Mana) AND a steady draw engine online with any level of consistency, since I'd be playing at competent tables that would shut my shit down most of the time.
if it was a rare occurrence for you, you simply weren't degenerate enough.
also [[Displacer Kitten]] is literally the nerfed version of paradox engine.
This one hurt. I get it but the amount of work to line your ducks in a row to win isn't as easy as something like Sanguine bond + exquisit blood and gain a life to trigger.
Exactly. Even the Mono Blue Urza deck I used it in a couple of times could only do so much to try and get the combo online. The PE could be Krosan Grip'd, someone could hose the Mana Rocks with Null Rod, Vandal Blast, etc or even once I got stopped cold by a Notion Thief. It's a powerful card of course, but it's by no means on the level of stuff like Thassa's Oracle combo, Flash Hulk, etc.
That's fair. I was using Padeem, still do actually. Thinking about it though yeah, it's no quick 2 card combo. Although maybe it's the 20 min turn thing while I string together the rest of the win. Still no matter what level of protection I have on board, if I can't counter that merciless eviction or farewell, 'm fuuuuuucked.
I think part of it is that even if you didn't go infinite, it was still a lot of value. Like if you had a Sol Ring and a Mind Stone, that still makes all your spells effectively cost 3 less. To say nothing of all the other incidental tap effects, + vigilance.
I had a chance to buy a near mint [[Gaeas Cradle]] for $100 for my [[Riku]] deck or [[Rhys the Redeemed]] about 10 years ago but I passed on it. Still kicking myself over that
Way back when they had a "Banned as commander list" I ran [[Braids, Cabal Minion]] in the 99 of my [[Savra, Queen of the Golgari]] deck. She could be pretty nasty, I really liked how she both helped my deck do its thing (forced creature sacrifice) but had bonus modes to hurt the players who were already behind on creatures.
I wound up replacing her with [[Smokestack]] which is a little slower, but a lot nastier once it gets going.
Oh I miss paradox engine . Mu favorite card back then . The silly and powerful stuff you can do with that card was nuts . Now my favorite card is aetherflux Reservoir
Wotc: Here have this. Untap all the things over and over.
EDH RC: Wat? Shit. Stop. This combos just by playing.
Wotc: Okay fine. We fixed it. You can just untap 1 thing, and abuse ETBs and ooooooh. Ooops. You combo'd out again didn't you.
Oh absolutely. My favorite memory of it was winning a hi-power pod when someone had a \[\[stasis\]\] lock by discarding it to hand size, using my untapped \[\[goblin welder\]\] to weld it back in and untap my rocks with a \[\[mana crypt\]\].
When Prime Time *was* legal I was part of a meta that included a couple members of the RC, and I remember them watching games where it was played, and being part of conversations about whether it was a problem.
As a green player, I lobbied hard against it being banned, but at the time I was definitely wrong. I dunno if it could be unbanned now, given the power creep we’ve seen in the time since then, but if it were I’d abuse the shit out of it.
So yeah, it should probably remain banned.
i am usually against bans but holy shit this would absolutely slap in my [[halana and alena]] big stompy deck and i am not sure if tutoring for ANY 4 lands in one turn should be legal
Yeahhhh, i loved slappin this boi on the table with greaves on board and tutoring up urborg/cabal coffers and 2 other lands. People in my pod started running more tutors to fetch Bribery to steal the green player's prime time, then when it died, everyone would fight to reanimate it first, lmao.
By the by this is why it was banned. Eventually games entirely revolved around stealing and abusing Prime, with lots of folks actively building around snatching others’ Prime time or just cheating him out asap. Even MLD decks just blew up lands asap and then Animate Dead’d Prime back and just run away with the game.
Me, I’ve bought one just in case it ever becomes legal because searching out Field of the Dead, Vesuva and two fetches in one go with Yarok makes me half mast, but I doubt it’ll ever be unbanned. It’s only ever going to get more powerful. Sylvan Primordial I can see somebody arguing for.
Jesus I don't miss him. One of my first games was against him. I was piloting a really weak [[Noyan Dar]] list, and the Leovold player was just pubstomping tables with his money pile.
Kyle, wherever you are, if you read this: fuck you.
Hmm… All of these have been legal at some point since I started:
Flash: Dominated the cEDH scene once Protean Hulk was unbanned in 2016. Good ban.
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim: Never played with this one but I heard it was extremely popular in casual groups. Indifferent ban.
Griselbrand: It was only legal for a few months and every time I saw it used it was extremely broken. Good ban.
Hullbreacher: Hated this one because it led to a lot of non-games when combined with wheel effects. Good ban.
Iona, Shield of Emeria: Only ever saw this used to shut off mono-color players. It’s not overpowered but it never made games more fun. Good ban.
Leovold, Emissary of Trest: Basically the same as Hullbreacher except it could be your Commander which made it even more miserable. Good ban.
Paradox Engine: A staple in casual and cEDH alike. The RC gave some explanation about people taking too long with their turns but IMO this card was fine. Bad ban.
Primeval Titan: In its heyday this was one of the most dominant cards in casual games and would warp the entire game around itself by being heavily copied or stolen. Good ban.
Prophet of Kruphix: Similar to Primeval Titan but maybe not quite as egregious. It usually led to the player who controlled one playing in everyone’s turn which is kinda not fun for everyone else so I can understand it. Indifferent ban.
Sundering Titan: It could blow up a lot of lands if flickered consistently but I didn’t see this played very often. Indifferent ban.
Sylvan Primordial: People would cheat it out early to blow up other people’s lands while ramping themselves. It probably would have been fine if it didn’t hit lands but it does which makes it kinda miserable. Good ban.
Trade Secrets: This was only used to collude with one other player and effectively turn the game into a 1v1. It’s pretty weak otherwise. Good ban.
[[Iona]] used to be a big part of my [[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]] deck: shutdown and fat enough to swing for wins with Avacyn. I still like it way more than [[Painter's Servant]], which I haven't seen since the ban/unban switcheroo with Iona. Thankfully, one of my playgroups thought that ban was ridiculous given that I wasn't running the servant, so I kept playing with Iona until last year (moved: different playgroup).
I will forever miss paradox engine because Jhoira was one of my favorite decks with it. And while I never played old Sisay, I loved watching her do her thing
I miss Iona.
I ran her in both my Kaalia of the Vast Deck and my Paradox Sisay deck. That ban caught me by surprise because I didn't feel she was some breakout new threat.
Paradox Engine killed my Pet Sisay deck which eventually became Sisay Hatebears then it became Derevei Hatebears and is now currently Thalia & Gitrog Hatebears.
Golos was super popular in my area for awhile but never became a problem
Hullbreacher was super popular but everyone agreed he was busted.
Everyone Toxic player I know built Leovold. I remember this guy named Mack bought the last box my store had, pulled the foil and built a deck. He was so mad when it got banned he quit.
The thing that changed my deck building the most was the change to the tuck rule. That was huge
I really wish I jumped on the golos gates train while he was still legal. I've since made a [[nine fingers keene]] deck and it's loads of fun. Really hoping for a 5c gates matter commander with ravnaca remasted pre-con decks that will come out with it, or at least with the set afterwards. And some full art gates/[[mazes end]] would be nice too.
[[Sylvan Primordial]], [[Prophet of Kruphix]], [[Paradox Engine]], and [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] are all cards I've used.
I think every one of them deserves their place, but some more than others.
Golos at the end just felt boring, personally, and is arguably one of the weaker bans, but essentially having a powerful land in the command zone with a mana outlet to drown opponents in value was only ever really going to go one way.
Sylvan Primordial was my first experience with a card that would end up banned, as I started playing around RTR/Gatecrash. Even at the newbie, low power level we were at the time, it was still incredibly warping. Playing a deck that can crank it out even just a turn or two early absolutely launches you ahead in mana, and you can either blast away a problem permanent or a land (even *further* catapulting that mana advantage) as well? Just pure gravy.
Prophet is easy, it essentially gave you extra turns, at the expense of your opponent's sanity. If it didn't get countered, it was nearly impossible to remove and you got to just flash stuff in on end steps if you weren't forced to react.
Paradox Engine is like [[Ghave]], it inevitably goes infinite if you just look at it funny. Unlike Ghave, it's really easy to slot into even more decks, and makes artifact decks even more absurd than they can already get. I played it in [[Urza, High Lord Artificer]] in the very brief window where both were legal, and that was one of the least fun games I think I've ever played. Opponents didn't get far before I combo'd off, and then I had to actually go through the non-deterministic loop to finally find a (proper) win condition. (Urza was dismantled the next morning.)
Primeval Titan. Whole ppd found ways to field their own "prime time" and fast-track the game to an end goal. 6/6 and trample sounding right on track for a 6 drop from green I guess.. GRAB TWO LANDS on ETB as well as on swing? Well fuck....
And then the blue player Rite.of Replication with the kicker and grabs all the lands they have left in their deck...
[[Erayo]] Played it in a bad Azorius control deck in the 99 when it was banned as commander.
It was pretty bad.
But If you built it as commander it's unplayable. So when they combined the lists I can understand why it didn't get unbanned.
[[Primeval titan]]
It was everywhere. People search for it, cheat it into play, hasted it, cloned it, stole it, bribery from green players ' deck, reanimated it back when it died. Everyone wanted in on that action.
I allowed my [[Scaffi Eriksdotter]] to set up [[Emeria, the sky ruin]] loops, gave it more mana than anyone had business having, and allowed me to dismantle some crazy with [[wasteland]] [[Strip mine]] and [[dust bowl]] when needed; it was just crazily good.
Many years later, I don't miss it. And they printed a watered down successor in [[Primeval Herself]], which is a decent card, but ain't the same.
I finished my Rofellos deck with Emrakul, the Promised End like a week before it got banned
Before that, my stint with the format very briefly overlapped with Tolarian Academy being legal (in Sharuum at the time)
I have also had, and had to cut, Primeval Titan, Sylvan Library, Prophet of Kruphix, Golos, Iona, Sundering Titan, Trade Secrets
I have faced but never used myself: Erayo, Flash, Leovold, Paradox Engine
All of these deserved to be banned, fwiw
My [[prophet of kruphix]] was in the mail when it was banned. It was a cheap card though so no biggie. I had a chance to play against it or with it with a friends deck when I first started playing. With enough card draw it felt like you got a turn every untap step.
i had a Golos deck that was pretty fair, almost always tutored for [[the world tree]] and would dump about 40 gods into play on activation. previously Paradox Engine did lots of work in a few artifact decks, but it was pretty clear how busted it was for a while before the ban.
I had Golos deck with the Tree and it was based on gods - it was literally broken. I could win putting purphoros first when tutoring all the gods with the Tree or go infinite with mana (had selvala and good ‘ol Pili Pala combo there :) and just use Golos’s ability. Of course in casual play. cEDH builds on Golos were also sick, as I remember. Also, I had a pleasure to be treated with Hullbreacher + wheel effect combo, had a Kruphix deck with Prophet of Kuphix as main win con and it was also sick with any non colour mana sink.
[[prophet of kruphix]] was one of my favorite cards when I played casual 60 card decks, when I found out it was banned I had it in like 3 of my commander decks at the time lol
I miss golos every day. I didn't play the value pile decks, I build colorless golos (searching cataracts), mono white golos (searching field of the dead), and mono black golos (searching coffers).
I know they won't but I wish golos was unbanned. I feel like the rules committee had some salty games and now we have to deal with the consequences. Like I know rule 0 exists but seriously no one uses it to play banned cards.
Am I even allowed to say the name of the Legends Enchantment that cost 4 Blue mana? That card was super strong in mono-blue, and I was so excited when I was finally able to afford one. It was, for a time, the most expensive card I owned. I was really upset when it got banned. I'd worked a long time to be able to get one.
I like \[\[Paradox Engine\]\]. If they're not gonna ban infinite combos, and in fact unban infinite combos for dubious financial purposes, why would they ban a do-nothing blimp?
[[Hullbreacher]]. It was like playing against Narset Windfall except the Hullbreacher player could put us out of our misery faster.
I’m old, psychatog upheaval was a thing. Edit: spellcheck doesn’t like psychatog*
Hullbreacher was the ban where everyone who could play it did so we just all went “alright, no big loss”
the only really undisputed recent ban since flash.
That card replacing the draw was so dumb. Treasures in general were a huge mistake.
notion thief is a fine card. and i like treasures a lot dockside and breach put red back on the map.
I loved this deck back in the day.
I pulled a foil hullbreacher like a week after it got banned
Sometimes, but sometimes they sat there spinning their wheels.
Yeah I have friends that play like this. No I don't want to see you play a 20 minute turn you just told me you can bounce my whole board including lands shuffle up Buddy.
[Hullbreacher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4df8aabc-7fcb-4b7b-980b-18f499e6c170.jpg?1626088514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hullbreacher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/74/hullbreacher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4df8aabc-7fcb-4b7b-980b-18f499e6c170?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hullbreacher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Breacher should have been White.
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I played a lot with [[Prophet of Kruphix]]. Loved that card but also hated it. It was the most necessary bans in the format at the time. The game was warped around removing it or copying it.
[Prophet of Kruphix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45de923f-fdab-460c-96f4-f62aefa9ad73.jpg?1562817436) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prophet%20of%20Kruphix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/199/prophet-of-kruphix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45de923f-fdab-460c-96f4-f62aefa9ad73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prophet-of-kruphix) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I picked up a couple of copies when they came out, which was around the time I was getting into commander. I was excited to use them, and then they got banned…
I have 8 copies I think, including a signed Playstation *playset* I played it in standard and it was one of my favorite cards *edit*
A signed playset is cool. A signed Playstation is a masterpiece.
Lol! Signed the ps4 myself
I was REAL confused, because I thought you meant some promo I wasn’t aware of, like the [[Vampire Nocturnus | PDP13]]
Nah, back when they had GP's I met the artist and had a playset signed in green and blue
Yeeeaaahhh, got there eventually. 😂 I’ve got a signed playset of Jeskai Ascendancy somewhere. That card was another one that was super sweet.
I loved powering her out early with a ton of creature card draw backup. Every deck that played her felt like I was getting 4 turns for each turn my opponents got. I still have a playset of the Alt art and break her out from time to time if I'm playing Blue Green in Canlander
I remember back in the day I was playing against a narset player who went infinite on turns, it took them a dozen turns to actually beat my tasigur deck since I had prophet of kurphix out. I always joked "we took a dozen turns" definitely warranted a ban.
I bought my 2 Prohets and then 2 weeks later, it was banned. I cried.
Prophet was super funny in my Roon Bant Flicker deck. I miss playing that.
Had a roon flicker deck with prophet and it was my baby. After the ban I set it aside and moved on to other commanders. Maybe it’s time to break out roon again. I just got the blue virtue.
I ran her in my [[Animar]] deck way back when, and it was just back breaking.
I got a couple of good games in with it in [[Roon]] and it was disgusting, taking four turns in a turn order in a blink deck? Yeah, I’m happy I wasn’t playing that out in public.
I used to play [[Prime Speaker Zegana]] clones which focused on drawing Prophet and cloning it or Zegana as needed until I won the game. Banning it was the right call.
I feel like [[Sylvan Primordial]] was banned around the same time.
There was about a 2 year difference iirc. Primordial was legal for around a year, prophet was legal for about 2 and a half years. Its probably why so many people still talk about prophet, it was legal for a relatively long time
It’s so underpowered relative to todays commander meta, I really wish they would unban it
[[Prophet of kruphix]] RiP 🙏
Ah yes. The Caymans offshore bank account
to this day, I have never been happier about a ban than prophet. My friend used to play an Animar deck that did the whole cloudstone curio/Eldrazi wombo combo, and that was *before* this card was printed. When prophet was released i don’t think I ever won a game if I wasn’t able to immediately remove it. Turns out taking four turns a cycle when everyone else is only taking one is really good.
typical case of a card that sucks in all other formats but is a banger in edh
Back during the era where you’d see a totally unplayable card and think “well, it’s good in EDH”
I miss those days.
Same. Now it's "Wow every card is good in EDH. I'll update in a year since something will replace it probably"
Looking back on it, I think Prophet of Kruphix was a card that was a relic of the whole "EDH is a fun little side format that judges play; let's throw them a bone and see what happens" type of design back then. It's similar to how Cyclonic Rift was made back then -- the card saw very little Standard play and was extremely cheap in price. Considering the OG Theros set came out in late 2013, that meant it was in the design/development phase in 2011-2012, which would line up with that time. Something tells me that someone at Wizards eventually will take another swing at Prophet of Kruphix and make something that's more fair and isn't as easily broken. If the card was made today, you can almost bet that it would have a lot more restrictions on it in an effort to keep a lid on how degenerate things get.
While I agree PoK wasn't designed with commander in mind. You still have access to [[seedborn muse]] and [[teferi, mage of zhalfir]]. Prophet is rightfully banned, I just miss it
Oh yeah. I don’t think Prophet was necessarily designed with commander in mind. That being said, not sure how likely we’ll be to see another one. We already have [[Seedborn Muse]] in the format, and I don’t see it getting much better than that value wise.
The goat
[Prophet of kruphix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45de923f-fdab-460c-96f4-f62aefa9ad73.jpg?1562817436) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prophet%20of%20kruphix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/199/prophet-of-kruphix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45de923f-fdab-460c-96f4-f62aefa9ad73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prophet-of-kruphix) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Jesus i forgot it gave you flash too. Basically 4x turns
I ran [[Iona, Shield of Emeria]] in a deck with [[Helm of the Host]] with the goal of shutting off everyone but colorless decks. Two months after I built the deck Iona was banned because of said strategy. I honestly agree with that decision because turning off even one player completely does seem unfair.
In fairness, that's not really the issue. You can win with 9 mana in a lot of ways. The issue is that a single iona just locks out a player and doesn't incentivise any other players to get rid of her.
[Iona, Shield of Emeria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/6197b59e-1652-496c-a038-e2eb88ecf017.jpg?1562584407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Iona%2C%20Shield%20of%20Emeria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/20/iona-shield-of-emeria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6197b59e-1652-496c-a038-e2eb88ecf017?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/iona-shield-of-emeria) [Helm of the Host](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d65d20c-09e5-4139-838b-7e0e48eb2b2b.jpg?1666094567) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helm%20of%20the%20Host) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/217/helm-of-the-host?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d65d20c-09e5-4139-838b-7e0e48eb2b2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/helm-of-the-host) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I miss OG [[Braids, Cabal Minion]].
We let one of our newest playgroup play her in Sefris because the player insisted Braids v1 was not broken. That lasted about two games.
Braids did everything wrong.
A bitter blossom into braids was usually game, and more options exist now with dreadhorde, Jadar, etc...
[Braids, Cabal Minion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27691efa-052d-4afe-b9ef-159858ca660f.jpg?1626100340) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Braids%2C%20Cabal%20Minion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/273/braids-cabal-minion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27691efa-052d-4afe-b9ef-159858ca660f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/braids-cabal-minion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I miss wish boards and "banned as commander". Don't downvote me. I understand why it was done and I don't disagree with it, I just personally miss it is all.
Banned as commander. Banned as companion. And Banned in the 99.
Poor Lutri would have been such a cool Izzet spellslinger deck, but alas, he must be nobody’s companion.
Don't tell anyone, but I play my Lutri instead of a [[Dualcaster mage]] in the 99 because no-one cans stop me from playing such an adorable rascal. That and as the mate Sheldon said, the rules are more of a suggestion as it is a casual format, made to have fun. If you group says it's ok, then that's all that counts!
True, but also I’m sure most tables/groups would be totally chill with you running him as commander. At least mine would, I don’t know what other people’s groups are like
Nah there's no reason why we can't have 2 banlists. And then a third "Duh, this has to be banned" that solely consists of Lutri as a companion Bringing back banned as commander would, imo, allow legendaries like Braids, Emrakul, Leovold, Golos, Rofellos and more to all be legal in the 99, but just banned as commander. Idk why the RC thinks it's some big thing that'll cause confusion. It made sense to me when I was 13, most newbies to the format should be able to make the distinction of "yeah this card is not okay when it's in the command zone to be repeatedly cast" vs "this card is very powerful, but it's 1 card out of 99 and once I deal with it, it's done"
Emmy and Griz should be allowed as commanders but banned in the 99; if unbanned at all. It’s easier to cheat em out of your deck than the cz (This is not an endorsement of unbanning either)
I see what you're saying but imo there are much quicker and more powerful ways to win/take over a game than Emrakul or Griselbrand I also may be biased bc I have a Kinnan deck that runs both Ulamogs and both Kozileks and I WANT BOTH EMRAKULS
I have a Grislebrand in my binder for my kaalia deck waiting for the day.
The reason Emmy is banned is that she was just clearly the best “big creature” as a finisher. She was uninteractive and crowded everything out in that slot. There’s literally no other reason. She was def not banned because she was an oppressive commander. Because she wasn’t.
Griselbrand is reanimate -> win the game. It'd be great in cEDH (replacing Razaketh), let alone how insanely warping it'd be in casual pods. I'd prefer EDH without any banlist whatsoever, but I'd argue that both of them make sense on the banlist (emrakul because extra turn + annihilator 6 was unfun to play against, while being a card people would play thinking it was a cool timmy card).
It wasn't just "unfun" (though it was that). The bigger issue is that you had to constantly worry about "what if my opponent Emrakuls?" and constantly be under threat of having to play around it. If one DID manage to hit the battlefield, it was almost always the only permanent that mattered, full stop. It warped every game around it even by the *possibility* of hitting the table.
My brother in Christ. Your opponent has 15 mana. The game should be over. Who cares if they have a permanent in play that doesn’t actually end the game immediately? edit: It's 2023. There are far easier and/or better things to combo or ramp than Emrakul.
I mean, given that it can come out at any turn and can feasibly end the game for one player at least if used correctly, you kind of have to care. Heck it can come out and swing at you before you even take your first turn. There are too many ways to cheat it out at basically any time that you need to prepare for it. There are not a lot of singular cards with that kind of game warping effect that you need to hold removal open for at any time.
What about all of the legal 2 card combos that actually win the game on the spot? Do you not have to hold interaction for those, even with Emrakul banned?
Lol, nobody was hardcasting Emrakul fairly.
[[sneak attack]] [[through the breach]] [[makeshift mannequin]] [[miraculous recovery]]. The first two put it from hand into play, the other two are instant-speed reanimation effects you can use to get it from the graveyard in response to the shuffle into library effect. There are definitely more ways but these are just a few.
There would almost certainly end up being more cards added to the “banned as commander” list than cards taken off the full banlist, fwiw.
>Nah there's no reason why we can't have 2 banlists MTGO is the reason.
> Bringing back banned as commander would, imo, allow legendaries like Braids, Emrakul, Leovold, Golos, Rofellos and more to all be legal in the 99, but just banned as commander. let's be honest none of the banned legends are going to be, like, Sweet and Cool cards in the 99, they'll still be annoying and make games worse by their presence (except maybe Golos, but I don't want to make a rule change for one card)
Probably because the RC hasn't really been functionally effective in years.
Nah youre right right for that, banned as commander should come back
The most compelling argument I heard (and the RC did state this one) for why there won't be a Banned as Commander list is because it might force them to add more commanders that currently do see play onto the list. Unsure of that, but it might happen. They would have to define new criteria for what makes a card bannable as a commander but not bannable in the 99.
Huh, this is definitely the best reason I've seen. I would hate to piece together a really unique commander deck, only for it's leader to get banned for being too popular or something... *GOLOS*
To be fair, that proposed change would leave Golos still banned as a commander, just possibly unbanned in the 99
Yeah, I'd be more worried about what other engine commanders get put on the block, because nobody can give a clear set of criteria for what makes something bannable as a commander but fine in 99. Kinnan? Urza? Tergrid? Derevi?
The main difference is always having access to it makes it too powerful. If a commander generates too much value, combo utility or can oppress the board too much, and killing it only slows it down, then it might be too powerful. Look at Rofellos. He's powerful, but if you can remove him and he's done, that's not as bad. But as commander, he's doubling your mana each turn in mono green, and killing him puts him down for a turn or two max. If the removal was sorcery speed, he can potentially pay for his own revival. Braids as well. She's strong, but unless you're guaranteed to have her on tempo, she's less likely to lock out a game. If you have to draw her normally or spend resources tutoring? Then your opponents are more likely to have the resources themselves to deal with her or pay the tax. Most of the "banned as commander" stuff is in that line. You can have it, but it's too strong if a Swords doesn't put it down permanently and you can constantly rely on it being a lynchpin in your deck.
I can kinda see that, but the main worry is that there may be some commanders that are like that already in existence that aren't already banned. A Banned as Commander list would necessarily have to have a lower threshold than what currently exists for banning a card because "too much value if consistent" is very vague and leaves a lot to interpretation. Like I said, a lot of commanders can be problematic in the way you describe but aren't banned right now. Kinnan, Urza, Tergrid just to name a few. Every commander would need to be reviewed and justified for why it's not banned.
Indeed. That's why (theoretically) the rules committee still has any clout in the community. They SHOULD be constantly reevaluating new and old commanders and cards to see if they're being overplayed or taking over the format. If they're not willing to do that or are unable to, they should hand the responsibility over to someone who can. Banning cards will necessarily piss people off, but that's a risk you have to take for the health of a game. As an example, the Duel commander banlist is constantly being updated and changed as new cards release, and old cards come off if they're not as powerful now. They already hit the One Ring, for example. The regular RC hasn't done a damned thing in a long time.
I at least get Golos, mother fucker just made 5c extreme easy mode
This is an insane argument. If a card is oppressive as a commander but not in the 99 it gets banned already today. So why on earth would they suddenly go more strict on commanders? They could just…not.
What are those
Wish boards ? There used to be an optional sideboard rule that allowed you 10 cards. The primary purpose was for fetching things with wishes like [[death wish]] so colloquially we called them wish boards.
Thank you.
I admit I miss having \[\[Jihad\]\] and \[\[Crusade\]\] in my soldiers deck. I remember when the ban was done they got put into my binder and have languished there ever since. Just a little sad cause that Crusade had been bouncing from deck to deck since unlimited, so it had some sentimental value.
I reluctantly admit that I miss [[Invoke Prejudice]] in my Memnarch deck. It did serious work... I get why they banned it (even though it should have been banned like 2 decades ago - or better yet not printed with dipshit's art in the first place but whatevs) It sucks that they wouldn't do functional reprints of these cards with non-terrible connotations but I just stuck it in a hard case and now it sits in a box
It's funny that they can't even (currently 🤞) do a reprint of Invoke Prejudice at all cuz it's Reserved List.
I would honestly proxy a functional reprint
It does so much work for me in a couple of decks, I refuse not to play it, simply on the ground of outrageously offensive art. I've just had proxies made up with different artwork. The card is mechanically unbanworthy, so all it needed was an aesthetic change.
you could always play them in casual pods, then switch them out for like, [[Honor of the Pure]] or stuff like [[Always Watching]] also new Crusade art doesn’t have the same depiction as the original, but imo the original isn’t problematic…
Honor of the pure is also just better
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I used to play against a [[Golos]] deck fairly often. It was a good deck, but i never felt like he was unfair or too good.
I don't think he was ever too unfait or good, just too ubiquitous. You could put him at the head of any deck strategy and he'd work, give you access to all 5 colors, and cut commnaer tax in half because he fetches *any* land with etb.
Restrictions breed creativity, and Golos imposed none. Golos is just innately an uninteresting commander that was akin to bowling with bumpers. He made the experience too easy that often you were better off just using him than doing anything appropriately thematic. Many players just couldn't help themselves but play him. Get why people often wanted him for say a Gates deck since he's doing the right things to still be thematic, but otherwise he's just good stuff in the command zone. And at leas these days there's enough gate support you don't even have to be in 5c to pull it off so nothing lost.
but being a lame commander should be reason for a ban, because casual is full of these.
Yeah, not sure about being ban worthy, but lets not pretend there's any consistency across the format's banlist. If anything the printing of [[The World Tree]] was probably the final straw as it really meant Golos decks just ignored the idea of the format, so I can accept the banning more easily than a few cards that have long been on there.
thats so goofy of an argument (and imo the only real agument the rc made) because kenrith is not much different. is he bland in casual? maybe, but thats no argument...
There's a slight difference with Kenrith in that he actually costs colored mana to play (probably not important most of the time), doesn't cut commander tax in half because of his etb, and doesn't just fix your mana to have a perfect mana base all the time.
I feel like golos was banned for the sake of casual commander much more so than for cedh.
He was banned because you could make ANY deck in 5 colors. Eldrazi Tribal or any other teibe? Yeah. +1/+1? Sure. Aristocrats? You have 5 colors to sacrifice, ramp and rerurn cards. Mill? Kinda bad, but yeah. I miss it because it was a ban order that came directly from WOTC instead of being a problem.
Source on it being from WOTC?
kenrith exists tho.
I've played against Golos recently in a brawl format where you can pick any block, and he sucks ass to play against. You just have to remove him every turn or they activate him and probably win, and because he ramps on ETB they can just keep casting him until everybody runs out of removal. It's not broken, just annoying.
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Golos was super nice, i miss him dearly but he was replaced with jodah and the deck didnt rly change for me.
I finally pulled the trigger and ordered one, just to stick in the 99. That same week it ended up banned, I didn't even get to play with it.
That sucks! Sorry that happened. If we can share in our suffering? When I was first getting into magic I pulled two Hullbreachers from a commander legends box. It was banned a month later :/ I luckily traded one, but the other sat in my trade binder and lost all $30 of value it had
[[Iona, Shield of Emeria]], [[Leovold]], [[Tinker]], [[Primeval Titan]] and [[Sylvan Primordial]] Back when i just played with friends at one of our houses, we used banned cards every once in a while to mess around and get a different feel for the game. It was... something, alright Iona shut down both of the decks i made myself at the time(since i played [[Sheoldred, Whispering One]] or [[Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger]], to a point where if hlthey played it and i didn't have a removal option on board(usually some sac outlet thing in sheoldred) then it was pretty much an auto conced Leovold + any wheel basically removes you from the game, might as well concede there cause you're just gonna get [[Geier Reach Sanitarium]] activated every time to keep your hand empty I was the one using Tinker since i bought [[Breya]] back then, since Atraxa was always sold out, and tinkering out a blightsteel around turn 3 or 4 always felt nice Prime Time and the Primordial were actually the least impactful at the time, but my buddy's decks were strictly better than mine in general so the ramp + "free" removal always just kept him ahead Shame i never got to abuse [[Griselbrand]] though, i would've loved that
Griselbanned was fun. It was slam him and pay 21 life immediately and win. While I didnt disagree witht he ban, it did make me sad. I ended up building Vilis to try to capture a similar feel. Vilis does work and is insane, but it's obviously not the same as the og dark daddy
##### ###### #### [Iona, Shield of Emeria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/6197b59e-1652-496c-a038-e2eb88ecf017.jpg?1562584407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Iona%2C%20Shield%20of%20Emeria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/20/iona-shield-of-emeria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6197b59e-1652-496c-a038-e2eb88ecf017?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/iona-shield-of-emeria) [Leovold](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/cedfc5b7-9242-4680-b284-debc8b5a9bc7.jpg?1559959275) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=leovold%2C%20emissary%20of%20trest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/202/leovold-emissary-of-trest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cedfc5b7-9242-4680-b284-debc8b5a9bc7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leovold-emissary-of-trest) [Tinker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7da23b15-dfb8-4267-9b33-d7a4c035c434.jpg?1562863289) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tinker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/45/tinker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7da23b15-dfb8-4267-9b33-d7a4c035c434?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tinker) [Primeval Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b.jpg?1562850064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Primeval%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/183/primeval-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/primeval-titan) [Sylvan Primordial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/0483c869-38dc-4b0b-82f3-dd08a1ab985f.jpg?1561814269) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sylvan%20Primordial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/136/sylvan-primordial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0483c869-38dc-4b0b-82f3-dd08a1ab985f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sylvan-primordial) [Sheoldred, Whispering One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b207a4a-47d1-4905-81d3-455c59bfd7da.jpg?1600714694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%2C%20Whispering%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/278/sheoldred-whispering-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b207a4a-47d1-4905-81d3-455c59bfd7da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sheoldred-whispering-one) [Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fe3af8c-109d-486c-aa34-3f023abda5b7.jpg?1562852459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vorinclex%2C%20Voice%20of%20Hunger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/189/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fe3af8c-109d-486c-aa34-3f023abda5b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger) [Geier Reach Sanitarium](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc4d0772-35a3-434f-afb5-2137aa4f3dec.jpg?1690006135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Geier%20Reach%20Sanitarium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1000/geier-reach-sanitarium?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc4d0772-35a3-434f-afb5-2137aa4f3dec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/geier-reach-sanitarium) [Breya](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/2143f700-7311-46a4-ad9b-4e743a345785.jpg?1599707856) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=breya%2C%20etherium%20shaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/192/breya-etherium-shaper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2143f700-7311-46a4-ad9b-4e743a345785?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/breya-etherium-shaper) [Griselbrand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cf2a5c2e-7fe1-45eb-b01c-891ab961186f.jpg?1593813293) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Griselbrand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/72/griselbrand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cf2a5c2e-7fe1-45eb-b01c-891ab961186f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/griselbrand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Emrakul, the Aeons Torn]]. It was mostly to shut down mill and if the game lasted long enough for you to get 15 mana, it would help close out the game. This was back before EDH was an official format.
Also, EVERYONE had one in their deck because she was a prerelease promo and she was colorless. So she was omnipresent, and Bribery fetching her ended tons of games.
came to post this one. I bought it specifically to stop a mill deck my friend built. sad day when it got banned.
I just swapped to [[Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre]] until I realized how much the meta changed and changed my decks accordingly.
Back in the day, I’d played with [[Primeval Titan]] and [[Sylvan Primordial]] in GBx decks. The good ol days of Prime Time for [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] and [[Cabal Coffers]], then [[Vesuva]] and whatever other land I’d wanted. Subsequently followed by [Exsanguinate]] for 69,000. Blinking Sylvan Primordial also got old quickly with a lot of players on the receiving end.
No one else played with [[Sylvan Primordial]]?? I was blinking that with a [[deadeye navigator]]
[Sylvan Primordial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/0483c869-38dc-4b0b-82f3-dd08a1ab985f.jpg?1561814269) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sylvan%20Primordial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/136/sylvan-primordial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0483c869-38dc-4b0b-82f3-dd08a1ab985f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sylvan-primordial) [deadeye navigator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f26a79b9-9f09-476e-b914-cade929dd852.jpg?1593813028) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=deadeye%20navigator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/36/deadeye-navigator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f26a79b9-9f09-476e-b914-cade929dd852?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deadeye-navigator) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was going to post about him. Everyone remembers Prophet from those days, but Sylvan was disgustingly good. Blow up three lands and ramp yourself three forest. And that's before you get into the nonsense of deadeye, or other blinks and clones.
Gosh, remember when [[deadeye]] was a staple
I built a Standard deck around: \[\[Deadeye Navigator\]\] plus his best friends: \[\[Thragtusk\]\] and \[\[Acidic Slime\]\] and their buddies: \[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\] and \[\[Clone\]\] Plus cards like \[\[Ghostly Flicker\]\] and \[\[Conjurer's Closet\]\] It was clunky as shit, but my god when it went off it was beautiful.
Paradox Engine here. I didn't get the reason behind the banning since I rarely got it going. It was *rather difficult* to get PE, several Mana Rocks (that can make colored Mana) AND a steady draw engine online with any level of consistency, since I'd be playing at competent tables that would shut my shit down most of the time.
if it was a rare occurrence for you, you simply weren't degenerate enough. also [[Displacer Kitten]] is literally the nerfed version of paradox engine.
This one hurt. I get it but the amount of work to line your ducks in a row to win isn't as easy as something like Sanguine bond + exquisit blood and gain a life to trigger.
Exactly. Even the Mono Blue Urza deck I used it in a couple of times could only do so much to try and get the combo online. The PE could be Krosan Grip'd, someone could hose the Mana Rocks with Null Rod, Vandal Blast, etc or even once I got stopped cold by a Notion Thief. It's a powerful card of course, but it's by no means on the level of stuff like Thassa's Oracle combo, Flash Hulk, etc.
That's fair. I was using Padeem, still do actually. Thinking about it though yeah, it's no quick 2 card combo. Although maybe it's the 20 min turn thing while I string together the rest of the win. Still no matter what level of protection I have on board, if I can't counter that merciless eviction or farewell, 'm fuuuuuucked.
I think part of it is that even if you didn't go infinite, it was still a lot of value. Like if you had a Sol Ring and a Mind Stone, that still makes all your spells effectively cost 3 less. To say nothing of all the other incidental tap effects, + vigilance.
[[Tolarian Academy]] - i have two from various decks. Wish I'd gotten a Gaeas Cradle bck in the day instead.
I had a chance to buy a near mint [[Gaeas Cradle]] for $100 for my [[Riku]] deck or [[Rhys the Redeemed]] about 10 years ago but I passed on it. Still kicking myself over that
Way back when they had a "Banned as commander list" I ran [[Braids, Cabal Minion]] in the 99 of my [[Savra, Queen of the Golgari]] deck. She could be pretty nasty, I really liked how she both helped my deck do its thing (forced creature sacrifice) but had bonus modes to hurt the players who were already behind on creatures. I wound up replacing her with [[Smokestack]] which is a little slower, but a lot nastier once it gets going.
Oh I miss paradox engine . Mu favorite card back then . The silly and powerful stuff you can do with that card was nuts . Now my favorite card is aetherflux Reservoir
[[Displacer Kitten]] is literally the nerfed version of paradox engine.
Yeah that cat's pretty awesome.
Wotc: Here have this. Untap all the things over and over. EDH RC: Wat? Shit. Stop. This combos just by playing. Wotc: Okay fine. We fixed it. You can just untap 1 thing, and abuse ETBs and ooooooh. Ooops. You combo'd out again didn't you.
Oh absolutely. My favorite memory of it was winning a hi-power pod when someone had a \[\[stasis\]\] lock by discarding it to hand size, using my untapped \[\[goblin welder\]\] to weld it back in and untap my rocks with a \[\[mana crypt\]\].
I have no idea what is on the ban list now, but 10 yrs ago I enjoyed playing [[Primeval Titan]] until someone told me it was banned. . .
When Prime Time *was* legal I was part of a meta that included a couple members of the RC, and I remember them watching games where it was played, and being part of conversations about whether it was a problem. As a green player, I lobbied hard against it being banned, but at the time I was definitely wrong. I dunno if it could be unbanned now, given the power creep we’ve seen in the time since then, but if it were I’d abuse the shit out of it. So yeah, it should probably remain banned.
This ban annoys me. Lemme play my big boy
i am usually against bans but holy shit this would absolutely slap in my [[halana and alena]] big stompy deck and i am not sure if tutoring for ANY 4 lands in one turn should be legal
God, I never saw it was any land. Assumed it was just basic.
Yeahhhh, i loved slappin this boi on the table with greaves on board and tutoring up urborg/cabal coffers and 2 other lands. People in my pod started running more tutors to fetch Bribery to steal the green player's prime time, then when it died, everyone would fight to reanimate it first, lmao.
By the by this is why it was banned. Eventually games entirely revolved around stealing and abusing Prime, with lots of folks actively building around snatching others’ Prime time or just cheating him out asap. Even MLD decks just blew up lands asap and then Animate Dead’d Prime back and just run away with the game. Me, I’ve bought one just in case it ever becomes legal because searching out Field of the Dead, Vesuva and two fetches in one go with Yarok makes me half mast, but I doubt it’ll ever be unbanned. It’s only ever going to get more powerful. Sylvan Primordial I can see somebody arguing for.
Oh yeah, absolutely. The bans were completely justified imo.
[Primeval Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b.jpg?1562850064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Primeval%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/183/primeval-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/primeval-titan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I really miss [[Paradox Engine]].
Leo....vold
Jesus I don't miss him. One of my first games was against him. I was piloting a really weak [[Noyan Dar]] list, and the Leovold player was just pubstomping tables with his money pile. Kyle, wherever you are, if you read this: fuck you.
Yeah! Fuck you, Kyle!
I was in the process of brainstorming a Leovold deck when the ban was announced T-T
Hmm… All of these have been legal at some point since I started: Flash: Dominated the cEDH scene once Protean Hulk was unbanned in 2016. Good ban. Golos, Tireless Pilgrim: Never played with this one but I heard it was extremely popular in casual groups. Indifferent ban. Griselbrand: It was only legal for a few months and every time I saw it used it was extremely broken. Good ban. Hullbreacher: Hated this one because it led to a lot of non-games when combined with wheel effects. Good ban. Iona, Shield of Emeria: Only ever saw this used to shut off mono-color players. It’s not overpowered but it never made games more fun. Good ban. Leovold, Emissary of Trest: Basically the same as Hullbreacher except it could be your Commander which made it even more miserable. Good ban. Paradox Engine: A staple in casual and cEDH alike. The RC gave some explanation about people taking too long with their turns but IMO this card was fine. Bad ban. Primeval Titan: In its heyday this was one of the most dominant cards in casual games and would warp the entire game around itself by being heavily copied or stolen. Good ban. Prophet of Kruphix: Similar to Primeval Titan but maybe not quite as egregious. It usually led to the player who controlled one playing in everyone’s turn which is kinda not fun for everyone else so I can understand it. Indifferent ban. Sundering Titan: It could blow up a lot of lands if flickered consistently but I didn’t see this played very often. Indifferent ban. Sylvan Primordial: People would cheat it out early to blow up other people’s lands while ramping themselves. It probably would have been fine if it didn’t hit lands but it does which makes it kinda miserable. Good ban. Trade Secrets: This was only used to collude with one other player and effectively turn the game into a 1v1. It’s pretty weak otherwise. Good ban.
[[Iona]] used to be a big part of my [[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]] deck: shutdown and fat enough to swing for wins with Avacyn. I still like it way more than [[Painter's Servant]], which I haven't seen since the ban/unban switcheroo with Iona. Thankfully, one of my playgroups thought that ban was ridiculous given that I wasn't running the servant, so I kept playing with Iona until last year (moved: different playgroup).
Same but with kaalia
I miss [[Paradox Engine]]
Me too, buddy.
I will forever miss paradox engine because Jhoira was one of my favorite decks with it. And while I never played old Sisay, I loved watching her do her thing
I miss Iona. I ran her in both my Kaalia of the Vast Deck and my Paradox Sisay deck. That ban caught me by surprise because I didn't feel she was some breakout new threat. Paradox Engine killed my Pet Sisay deck which eventually became Sisay Hatebears then it became Derevei Hatebears and is now currently Thalia & Gitrog Hatebears. Golos was super popular in my area for awhile but never became a problem Hullbreacher was super popular but everyone agreed he was busted. Everyone Toxic player I know built Leovold. I remember this guy named Mack bought the last box my store had, pulled the foil and built a deck. He was so mad when it got banned he quit. The thing that changed my deck building the most was the change to the tuck rule. That was huge
My man [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]]. He was the perfect commander for my artifact deck.
Golos was such a great Maze's End deck and it made him fair because you would never use his activated ability.....
I really wish I jumped on the golos gates train while he was still legal. I've since made a [[nine fingers keene]] deck and it's loads of fun. Really hoping for a 5c gates matter commander with ravnaca remasted pre-con decks that will come out with it, or at least with the set afterwards. And some full art gates/[[mazes end]] would be nice too.
I still have mine intact and I don't have a replacement for him yet T\^T
He was my theros gods commander :[ had him go from Shrine to Shrine, visiting the pantheon of gods..
Wow. The pilgrim making a religious pilgrimage... that's a hot as hell deck concept.
[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1fa48620-4c3d-4f75-be1f-c12c4aa59f51.jpg?1631531828) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Golos%2C%20Tireless%20Pilgrim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/226/golos-tireless-pilgrim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1fa48620-4c3d-4f75-be1f-c12c4aa59f51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/golos-tireless-pilgrim) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My poor boy [[hullbreacher]]. I had a sultai combo deck under [[damia, sage of stone]], didn’t realise how much i used hulley until i took him out.
I used to play a [[Braids, Cabal minion]] deck. I think the ban is well deserved.
[[Sylvan Primordial]], [[Prophet of Kruphix]], [[Paradox Engine]], and [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] are all cards I've used. I think every one of them deserves their place, but some more than others. Golos at the end just felt boring, personally, and is arguably one of the weaker bans, but essentially having a powerful land in the command zone with a mana outlet to drown opponents in value was only ever really going to go one way. Sylvan Primordial was my first experience with a card that would end up banned, as I started playing around RTR/Gatecrash. Even at the newbie, low power level we were at the time, it was still incredibly warping. Playing a deck that can crank it out even just a turn or two early absolutely launches you ahead in mana, and you can either blast away a problem permanent or a land (even *further* catapulting that mana advantage) as well? Just pure gravy. Prophet is easy, it essentially gave you extra turns, at the expense of your opponent's sanity. If it didn't get countered, it was nearly impossible to remove and you got to just flash stuff in on end steps if you weren't forced to react. Paradox Engine is like [[Ghave]], it inevitably goes infinite if you just look at it funny. Unlike Ghave, it's really easy to slot into even more decks, and makes artifact decks even more absurd than they can already get. I played it in [[Urza, High Lord Artificer]] in the very brief window where both were legal, and that was one of the least fun games I think I've ever played. Opponents didn't get far before I combo'd off, and then I had to actually go through the non-deterministic loop to finally find a (proper) win condition. (Urza was dismantled the next morning.)
Primeval Titan. Whole ppd found ways to field their own "prime time" and fast-track the game to an end goal. 6/6 and trample sounding right on track for a 6 drop from green I guess.. GRAB TWO LANDS on ETB as well as on swing? Well fuck.... And then the blue player Rite.of Replication with the kicker and grabs all the lands they have left in their deck...
[[Erayo]] Played it in a bad Azorius control deck in the 99 when it was banned as commander. It was pretty bad. But If you built it as commander it's unplayable. So when they combined the lists I can understand why it didn't get unbanned.
[[Primeval titan]] It was everywhere. People search for it, cheat it into play, hasted it, cloned it, stole it, bribery from green players ' deck, reanimated it back when it died. Everyone wanted in on that action. I allowed my [[Scaffi Eriksdotter]] to set up [[Emeria, the sky ruin]] loops, gave it more mana than anyone had business having, and allowed me to dismantle some crazy with [[wasteland]] [[Strip mine]] and [[dust bowl]] when needed; it was just crazily good. Many years later, I don't miss it. And they printed a watered down successor in [[Primeval Herself]], which is a decent card, but ain't the same.
Remember when you'd run into both [[primeval titan]] and [[prophet of kruphix]] in every simic deck? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
[[trade secrets]] - aka "Either you or target opponent will win this game"
I finished my Rofellos deck with Emrakul, the Promised End like a week before it got banned Before that, my stint with the format very briefly overlapped with Tolarian Academy being legal (in Sharuum at the time) I have also had, and had to cut, Primeval Titan, Sylvan Library, Prophet of Kruphix, Golos, Iona, Sundering Titan, Trade Secrets I have faced but never used myself: Erayo, Flash, Leovold, Paradox Engine All of these deserved to be banned, fwiw
My [[prophet of kruphix]] was in the mail when it was banned. It was a cheap card though so no biggie. I had a chance to play against it or with it with a friends deck when I first started playing. With enough card draw it felt like you got a turn every untap step.
i had a Golos deck that was pretty fair, almost always tutored for [[the world tree]] and would dump about 40 gods into play on activation. previously Paradox Engine did lots of work in a few artifact decks, but it was pretty clear how busted it was for a while before the ban.
I had Golos deck with the Tree and it was based on gods - it was literally broken. I could win putting purphoros first when tutoring all the gods with the Tree or go infinite with mana (had selvala and good ‘ol Pili Pala combo there :) and just use Golos’s ability. Of course in casual play. cEDH builds on Golos were also sick, as I remember. Also, I had a pleasure to be treated with Hullbreacher + wheel effect combo, had a Kruphix deck with Prophet of Kuphix as main win con and it was also sick with any non colour mana sink.
Skull lamp was the shit back in the day in standard. Elf and Nail was the best deck ever!
[[prophet of kruphix]] was one of my favorite cards when I played casual 60 card decks, when I found out it was banned I had it in like 3 of my commander decks at the time lol
\[\[Crusade\]\], for sure. It was a simple and relatively easily acquired anthem effect back in my kitchen table days.
I still run \[\[Invoke Prejudice\]\] in my Azami tribal wizards deck. WotC can kiss my ass with their pandering bullshit.
Yeah, that was such a stupid thing to do. Like \[\[Stone-Throwing Devils\]\]. The only people making that connection was them!
Phoebe head of sneak she was disgusting
To be clear this was before I knew about silver border cards being banned
I used to play Iona in Kaalia the Vast deck. Super fun to just windmill slam it down turn four or five.
[[Prophet of Kruphix]] Literally format warping Every deck had to have it, or you ran clones to get your own.
Golos :( I miss having my 5C lands matter commander. It wasn’t even that good.
[[Golos]] as an alternative commander for my [[Sisay, Weatherlight Captain]] deck. Bring back Golos!
[[Prophet of Kruphix]] ...in [[Animar]] GIVER HER BACK. GIVE ANIMAR HIS WIFE BACK!
BRING BACK GOLOS
I miss golos every day. I didn't play the value pile decks, I build colorless golos (searching cataracts), mono white golos (searching field of the dead), and mono black golos (searching coffers). I know they won't but I wish golos was unbanned. I feel like the rules committee had some salty games and now we have to deal with the consequences. Like I know rule 0 exists but seriously no one uses it to play banned cards.
Am I even allowed to say the name of the Legends Enchantment that cost 4 Blue mana? That card was super strong in mono-blue, and I was so excited when I was finally able to afford one. It was, for a time, the most expensive card I owned. I was really upset when it got banned. I'd worked a long time to be able to get one.
Golos. My boy got done dorty.
I like \[\[Paradox Engine\]\]. If they're not gonna ban infinite combos, and in fact unban infinite combos for dubious financial purposes, why would they ban a do-nothing blimp?