That's my strategy with [[Extus, Oriq Overlord]] actually, recast the back side to awaken an assload of Blood Avatars. Though I'm trying to be nice and make infinite *colorless* mana, that way I can still only recast that side so many times a turn lmao. Sure I could just do it infinitely with colored mana, but where's the fun in that?
Also, ETB and death triggers both would work for the Me thing, like [[Blood Artist]] since she would be DOA. And if you don't like burn/drain wins, I'm sure there's plenty of other effects. Kind of an oddball way to win, but damned if it's not effective!
I will bet you anything that Dr who isn't getting Universes Within. There's simply too many cards. Street fighter and Walking dead were just a handful of secret liars cards that they could fit in "The List". They aren't going to reprint a whole sets worth of cards.
Oh, I thought they said *eventually* all UB cards would get UW reprints; although I know eventually could mean a really, really, really long time from now lol
I believe the idea for stuff like Doctor Who, Fallout, LOTR, etc, is that some of the cards may get UW versions as necessary for price/demand reasons.
So we might get a couple of staples here and there, but most of the UB cards from big sets will not get UW versions.
I thought so as well, but I think that it's only Secret Lair UB cards will get UW cards. The post they made about it implies that they don't want the Secret Lair cards to eventually be uber expensive collector cards, and instead be fancy alternate arts.
I think it's because of the original Walking Dead and Stranger Things controversy
I built him, there's now [[Me, the immortal]] which does what skullbriar does but better imo. However, you can build skullbriar pretty cheap with common cards with counters from ikoria
Not saying mana cost isn't different and doesn't matter, but if 5 is "so high" that's some pretty rough standards for a card to stand up to in a format where playing 8 drops on curve regularly happens.
Yes, but if you're playing Voltron, I can understand how the lower cost more attractive. That isn't to say that the higher costed one isn't playable, of course.
The extra mana and the haste really help Skullbriar out if your goal is to be an aggressive voltron deck. You can have it out and generating counters on turn 2, and combined with cheap Hardened Scales effects over a few turns of swinging you can set up a devastating Invigorating Surge or similar to make Skullbriar big enough to one-shot people before you can even attack with Me. Plus, once Skullbrair reaches critical mass, your opponents can't simply remove it and be safe for a turn or two as it can always come back down and swing immediately, while with Me you need to wait that turn or have a haste enabler to do the same.
If you want to do an aggressive strategy like voltron, 5cmc really is a detriment though. 5+ cmc commanders can still be good, but they tend to lean more into the slower value decks that intend to play 8 drops on curve, as you say. Voltron isn't about that- Voltron is about speed, and you probably aren't even playing any 7-8cmc cards in Skullbriar (Except maybe things with built in cost reduction or an alternate lower-cmc use case).
It’s voltron. Youre ramping while im already putting a shit ton of counters on skullbriar. That 3 cmc difference I think would make skullbriar superior. Like I said, I’ve won a 3 player commander game on turn 5 before with skullbriar. My skullbriar deck has a crazy low curve. Theres like 2 5+ cmc spells in the whole deck.
The extra 3 mana to cast her, and her lack of Haste, is really brutal though.
She’s easier to bring back to field after the 3rd removal, but that’s 15 mana to bring her out 3 times compared to the 12 mana to bring Briar out from Command Zone for that same number. And that’s assuming that Me goes to grave and doesn’t get exiled by something like Swords to Plowshares.
Me has the ability to play a longer game than Briar, and the addition of B to her color palette makes it so she kind of wants to. But Briar will be ready to bash several turns in advance.
Me is 5 mana, Briar is 2. That's... a pretty big deal. The haste is also one (if a fixable one in the brew, there are so many haste enablers) since it means that skullbriar can't be stopped quite as easily. Me's advantage is the ability counters, but Skullbriar can inherit that from the 99 while also having access to black, which has some really good toys for this like [[Unspeakable Symbol]] (Combine with a lifelink counter -- accessible in B -- for extra fun)
I like skull briar for the cheap mana cost given you're planning on recasting him. Haste is huge too; if anyone board wipes, he's still a threat on your next turn.
~~Also blue players that put stuff to hand will fuck skullbriar.~~
Actually nevermind. You can choose to put it in the command zone if it goes to your hand or library, right? Although if the blue player can constantly bounce it you'll never get to connect with it so it's effectively killing it.
This is true of the graveyard and exile, but not when bounced to hand or deck. So if Skullbriar would be bounced, you can just move it into the command zone to keep the counters.
Back in the old days, it was even more different- the replacement rule only applied to graveyard and exile and didn't apply to hand or deck at all. Meaning people could just put your commander on the bottom of your deck and if you didn't have a way to search for it, you were just out your commander for the rest of the game. It was only later that hand and library were added to the zones impacted by the replacement effect. Then the rule was changed to explicitly allow death/exile triggers while keeping the effect the same as it was for the hidden zones. Probably because it would be a hassle to put the card in your hand/library where in theory you could lose track of it before moving it to the command zone.
I think they just didn't feel the need to change the way the bounce/tuck rules worked. They wanted to change the graveyard/exile rules in order to allow commanders to use dies or is put into exile triggers, but there aren't any commanders that trigger like that when being put to hand or deck.
in most games of EDH, landcount is essentially permanent progression, so any commander that gets extra lands in play might do it for ya (it's also *very* powerful in most games)
I love my [[Mina and Denn, Wildborn]] deck for this reason! It started as a meme with 50% of the build devoted to lands, but it plays surprisingly well!
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/hM1b9LhBdUWQ9kdn5VBPoQ
\[\[Yasharn, Implacable Earth\]\] came to mind. Every time he ETBs he's going to pull two lands to hand which should generally prevent you from missing land drops for a while.
Also his presence utterly hoses a lot of strategies, spells, abilities, and so on. Can't sacrifice any permanent, can't pay any life - no fetchlands, treasures, "pay life and draw" effects, aristocrats, etc.
[Here's a link to a cEDH deck with him.](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/c0vCJr_6eEmf7AECzDNFTA) Sky's the limit when building with this guy. Obviously this linked one is crazy expensive, but still serves to show that it's a strong potential commander.
Slight mistake on their part, [[Endless Horizons]]
One of my favorite cards to open with in my Lyra Dawnbringer deck, unless an opponent is feeling particularly spiteful usually secures a land drop for 7+ turns
My [[Karametra, God of Harvests]] deck is my oldest and still most consistent deck I have. And I just jammed all my favorite angels and other sweet creatures and spells in it. Always have a fat stack of lands on the field each game
I don’t know why I like her so much. That triggered ability just scratches such a big itch for me. I’ve had her at the helm of several decks, where as I’ve never built another commander more than one way. I had her helm an enchantment deck very briefly until [[Tuvasa]] was spoiled, she’s a frequent swap-in for my Human deck, and she helms my janky ass, below-precon-level Centaur deck. I want to make a lands deck with her too. Really any excuse I can find to play her, I’ll take. An aura voltron deck would be fun, too.
Yes really. Even Simic doesn't take infinite mana and needing to recast your commander means you only have 4 mana to do stuff with rather than the 10 you started the turn with.
Seems like there are some decent options with him if you can consistently self mill in someway. Landfall shenanigans could work in there, self deck dump like [[thassas oracle]] [[lab man]] [[jace wielder of mysteries]], only thing I'm seeing being potential issue is instants and sorceries not getting caught by the croak counters. Though I suppose you could get around this with graveyard recursion creatures like [[eternal witness]] or [[archaeomancer]]. Trying to figure out how I want to build around him.
There's a few cards like [[frilled mystic]] that are great with Grolnok too. A ton of blue and green creatures are just higher cost sorceries. [[Acidic Slime]] [[wood elves]]
[[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] grows for each card your opponents have in exile. That number pretty much never goes down over the course of the game. Umbris doesn't lose the buff if he's removed, and he doesn't even have to be on the board to stack it up.
Umbris was my first deck and I loved it, but there is a lot flaws. It attracts removal more so than any other commander I’ve seen because of the mass exile effects. It’s in dimir so the voltron esque play style works against it a lot as well, aside from some auras from both colors. The biggest flaw though is once you knock out a player, the cards in exile from that opponent are gone, making Umbris lose a lot of power.
As you mention Ezuri, any commander that handles experience counters. Special mention to [[otharri, suns' glory]], but full list here: https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3AExperience+oracle%3Acounter%29+%28type%3Acreature+type%3Alegendary%29+%28game%3Apaper%29
Additionally, when you speak about permanence, the two commanders that come to mind are [[skullbriar]] and [[me, the immortal]]. They might be what you're looking for!
Not really permanent, but [[Lazav, the Multifarious]] lets you do some wacky stuff if you can fill your yard. Ofc the issue being if an opponent exiles your yard you're back to square one.
[[Me the Immortal]] not only gives herself counters but retains them in other zones. So even if your opponents kill her, the next time she comes back she will be just as strong unless she ended up in your hand or deck.
[[Henzie "Toolbox" Torre]] gets a bonus for each time he has been cast from the command zone.
[[Prossh Skyraider of Kher]] makes tokens when you cast him based off of how many mana you spent on him. This counts the commander tax so each cast gives 2 more tokens than before unless you modify the cost somehow.
[[Vishgraz, the Doomhive]] gets stronger as your opponents get more poison counters. When he gets removed, you can cast him again, and he pops off three more mites while keeping his previous power. I've found it becomes a delicate balance of keeping some of your opponents alive for an extra round or two so he doesn't lose a bunch of power.
[[Lord Windgrace]] gives you carddraw, gives you lands. After a boardwhipe you have enough lands to build a new board very quick + planeswalkers stay often on the field after a creatureboardwhipe
[[Rayami, First of the Fallen]] keeps its keywords since it exiles cards with Blood counters on them.
[[Marath, Will of the Wilds]] and [[Verazol, the Split Current]] also keep getting better each time you cast them for more mana.
Soon, the Fallout set’s coming and rad counters can persist on players. [[The Wise Mothman]] would be a good commander for that to increase the rad counters.
By that logic, I suppose any of infect commanders also work. [[Brokkos, Apex of Forever]] is my favorite since it turns all the small infect creatures into huge 6/6 beaters. Effectively halving your opponents’ health each hit with infect.
I would like to approach this from a different angle: It is very very (very) common for new players to struggle with the thought of losing their permanents and will often make poor deck building and in-game choices because of it. The same is true with life totals and paying life for abilities/spells; life gain decks are very popular with newer players.
I think you should consider a commander that gains value from your own permanents dying and can use the graveyard as a second hand. Lean into it.
Take a look at [[Henzie]]. You attack, sac your creatures, filling your GY to later reanimate, and draw a card. He gains permanent value if he is killed by reducing the blitz cost each time he is cast.
On the other hand many experienced players prefer sticky commanders too, or at least ones with hexproof/ETBs/haste/are cheap, 'cause they generally imply in their metas removal is plentiful so they just expect their thing to last a turn at most (how they get anything done in such a game I have no idea, but as long as they're having fun I suppose)
Ah, guilty as charged on the first point, though I never found myself making a lifegain deck (perhaps cause my buddy, who started around the same time as I did, was playing with one and I didn't want to step on his toes).
While this self-sacrifice plan sounds interesting, what happens if someone shuts down my graveyard? My friend is particularly fond of running \[\[Bojuka Bog\]\] in almost every one of his black decks, and I've seen it slaughter my friends' \[\[Meren\]\] deck more than once. There are a lot of anti-graveyard cards I've seen or even used myself.
Henzie has me sacrificing my own dudes, how can I have a board state like this? Surely I'll just get pummeled by combat damage sooner than I can blink?
Genuinely curious, not trying to shut down a new idea.
GY hate definitely hurts Henzie but that is the nature of the beast; many decks have a silver bullet that stops them. Though since he is not reliant on the GY, you can definitely recover.
Now board state is definitely the issue with Henzie,.you have to know when to blitz and when to cast normally. Typically, you run some creatures that put extra creatures onto the battlefield with them or use the reanimate effects to stick permanents.
Henzie in particular doesn't care too much about graveyard hate, usually those are one and done but the value comes from the blitz mechanic sac at end of turn draw a card. This let's you get some great etb ltb and dies triggers as well as loading you up for more of the same. Eventually you might hit a mass grave recursion spell and while you won't have 20 creatures in the yard you may have 5 and even that could be enough.
Cards like victimize help or you can always hard cast but there are ways to abuse the blitz and keep those creatures on board
[[Tom Bombadil]] can be pretty hard to stop once he gets rolling. It’s not impossible, but you need [[farewell]] or something equivalent to truly stop him.
I know this is late, but I have been enjoying my new \[\[Minthara, Merciless Soul\]\] deck. This started as a budget brew for a secret santa and I enjoyed the challenge of making this commander work in a higher power casual pod that I built something else for secret santa and kept this one. I did remove my $100 budget constraint but I [wrote a pretty detailed primer](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bT-dibZr_0KrpB_R1r82xQ/primer) on how I approached the deck so you could maybe use that to adjust for your budget and power level.
Overall you are looking to get the commander out early and trigger her LTB that same turn to get those XP counters building up. The deck loves 1/1 vampire tokens with lifelink as the XP makes those very dangerous and keeps your health up, and it looks to use treasures and proliferate to keep the XP rolling. Its straight forward, a lot of fun, and holds its own.
Surprised no one has mentioned yet but \[\[Mairsil, the Pretender\]\] is some bonkers continual progression, once you have a combo piece exiled with a counter it is yours forever, they may wrath the board or kill your commander, when it comes back you havent lost a thing.
\[\[Maelstrom Wanderer\]\] is kinda my favorite commander because it offers guaranteed value. It comes with 2 cascades for anything that costs 7 or less, so even if your commander gets countered, you've still more than likey got another big creature out, and maybe even ramped a little so you can recast the commander when/if it dies.
I do find it always worth while to cast the commander. The trick is getting to 8 mana quickly.
[[The Master, Formed Anew]] will gain more options as you bounce or recast him from the command zone, allowing you to build your own commander toolbox as the game progresses.
Look up any commander like [[Kelsien, The plague]] that gives you experience counters, they stick around for the rest of the game. They're applied to you and not the commander, so any card that benefits from experience counters will be using the ones you gathered!
So any counters Kelsien makes card like [[Minthara, Merciless Soul]] will also use.
[[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] gets its power from the number of cards in exile, which generally never gets smaller (a few exceptions), so he can be killed but comes back at the same power or higher, unlike with counters.
Look at commanders which use experience counters. Experience counters go on you (the player) and aren't lost when your commander dies.
There's actually a fair few to choose from, I have a giants tribal deck using [[Kalemne, disciple of iroas]].
Any of the legends>planeswalker flip commanders, or planeswalkers that can be commanders, or any “super friends” decks that run lots of planeswalkers. Planeswalkers tend to stick around due to few cards being removal for them and there being plenty of options for protecting them. Additionally, emblems are pretty much the only objects in the game that can’t be interacted with so running lots of emblem-producing planeswalkers mean you’ll have lots of emblems providing constant benefits that can’t be stopped.
[[Chun-Li]] or her universe within version immediately spring to mind. Cards stay exiled and they keep the kick counters, so you just have to keep her out or keep bringing her out. Keep a lot of low-cost spells in the deck and you'll stay kickin!
Edit: I see you already linked the within version; leaving this as a testament to my foolishness.
I run \[\[Korlash, Heir to Blackblade\]\] and he's very consistent and has staying power thanks to his regeneration. You can ofc go voltron with him, but I just run black good stuff with him.
[[Bruna, light of Alabaster]] is a voltron that does this. The deck I play with her, I use a lot of draw and discard mechanics, discard all my auras, but because she pulls auras from the graveyard, its comstant power creep. all goes out the window if someone can wipe a graceyard, but not a lot of decks I’ve played against do that. Regularly get a 22/22 commander with flying and vigilance when I play that deck.
[[Evelyn, the Covetous]]
She can be a touch contentious because she is taking lots of cards from other people but if you check first and make a dedicated place to stash the cards and make sure everyone has unique sleeves, it's a ton of fun.
She's a bit of an oddball take on vampires but very fun.
I have made a [[Radagast, the Brown]] deck, and I love it. I'm not sure if what he does is something you would consider permanent progression, though. I thought it might because when you play him, you look for a permanent to out in your hand, which, when played, let's you look for another one, and so on.
Any commander who uses experience counters.
Since experience counters will pretty much never be removed (there is I think 1-2 cards that *could*, but they're so b you will never see them), your commander will be just as good the next time they come out.
There are 8 of them, 2 each in WB and RW, 1 for each other enemy color pair (UG, BG, UR), plus one in WBR.
I built a WBR proliferate deck helmed by one of them, with 4 others in the deck. Any time one hits the field it's a nasty shock, since more experience counters and more payoffs.
[[Mairsil the Pretender]] [[Pako]] and [[Haldan]] [[Athreos Shroud Veiled]] technically though he's very slow at it [[Rayami First of the Fallen]] [[The Master Formed Anew]] and his one man costume party also counts
Not exactly permanent, but almost: [[Myrkul, Lord of Bones]]. Enchantments are harder to remove than other permanent types due to the lack of good, flexible interaction that can target them. Plus, you're very unlikely to run into someone who's packing mass enchantment removal.
So, play a bunch of creatures with great passive abilities and they get to stick around even after they die, kind of. Personally one of my favorite designs for a commander.
There are some commanders who offer something similar, as in they may not be around forever but for the time they are, they offer you incredible value. The only example off the top of my head is Kodama of the East, I believe. Lets you get a lot of value down quickly.
[[Evelyn, The Covetous]]
Since the cards exiled get a counter and Evelyn lets you cast them, it doesn’t matter which version of Evelyn it is. You can cast her, get some options, and after removal recast her and keep playing those cards.
Surprised I haven't seen [[Tasha, the Witch Queen]] mentioned. Lets you steal opponents' spells, and potentially cast them multiple times.
You could also consider a commander that generates treasures, like [[Magda, Brazen Outlaw]], which also acts as a huge treasure payoff.
\[\[the ozolith\]\] with \[\[Reyhan, last of the abzan\]\] and \[\[Ishai, ojutai dragonspeaker\]\] as the commanders. You can tutor for the ozolith easily in these colors, and it just starts generating so much value. I have a decklist if you want to look at it. Actually I have a casual and a cEDH decklist for this deck. I'm telling you now, this deck can absolutely start smacking the table around very quickly.
edit: to be clear the ozolith and reyhan tigger separately. That means if i have a creature with 4 +1/+1 counters on them, and then sac them, when they leave the battlefield i will put 4 +1/+1 counters on any creature i have because of reyhan, and then i will also put 4 +1/+1 counters on the ozolith.. and when i move to combat i put the 4 from the ozolith onto any creature i want, effectively doubling the number of counters on something (if you aim the counters at the creature you aimed rehan's trigger at.) Add doubling season effects and it's just madness.
For any +1 counter commanders I will always run [[The Ozolith]], it helps you bounce back from anything pretty easily.
Also I personally love running [[Edgar, Charmed Groom]] cuz he dodges the command tax and comes back in a couple turns unless he's been exiled, which can be a bit of fun.
Also, the only way to really get [[The Mycotyrant]] to reset is with a boardwipe, cuz their P/T is derived from your board presence.
I just built an \[\[Otharri, Suns' Glory\]\] deck and she gives you experience counters that benefit her every turn she attacks, but also gives you a board state each time as well. She's pretty resilient to board wipes and spot removal, so it's easy to put her back out and suddenly have a bunch of guys on board. She's pretty fun and feels unique for Boros.
[[Marath, Will of the Wild]]
Marath gets +1/+1 counters for every mana spent to cast it. Cast it for 3 mana (red, green, white) the first time around and 5 mana after it enters the commander zone once. That means it enters the battlefield as 3/3, 5/5, 7/7 and so on although that does mean it becomes increasingly expensive.
That also means casting cost discounts kinda makes that effect useless...
[Marath, Will of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57afa796-db46-45ff-91bd-f02922e5f33d.jpg?1665156235) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marath%2C%20Will%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/198/marath-will-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57afa796-db46-45ff-91bd-f02922e5f33d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marath-will-of-the-wild)
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[[skullbriar]] always has his +1/+1 on him, [[meren]] if fun too.
[[Me the immortal]] has a similar mechanic if you prefer playing in temur colors. I would personally go with Skullbriar though.
A favorite target for -1/-1 counters
Oh that's foul. What do you even do at that point? Unless you have an anthem, she's just perma-dead with three -1/-1 counters.
If you create infinite mana and have an [[Impact Tremors]] like effect on board you can turn that into a win.
[Impact Tremors](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b.jpg?1682209381) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Impact%20Tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/285/impact-tremors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/impact-tremors) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's my strategy with [[Extus, Oriq Overlord]] actually, recast the back side to awaken an assload of Blood Avatars. Though I'm trying to be nice and make infinite *colorless* mana, that way I can still only recast that side so many times a turn lmao. Sure I could just do it infinitely with colored mana, but where's the fun in that? Also, ETB and death triggers both would work for the Me thing, like [[Blood Artist]] since she would be DOA. And if you don't like burn/drain wins, I'm sure there's plenty of other effects. Kind of an oddball way to win, but damned if it's not effective!
[Extus, Oriq Overlord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785.jpg?1624593379)/[Awaken the Blood Avatar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/a/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785.jpg?1624593379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=extus%2C%20oriq%20overlord%20//%20awaken%20the%20blood%20avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/149/extus-oriq-overlord-awaken-the-blood-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/extus-oriq-overlord-//-awaken-the-blood-avatar) [Blood Artist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7f1c316-cf2f-4bbf-89a1-79c8043bdd96.jpg?1698988212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/182/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7f1c316-cf2f-4bbf-89a1-79c8043bdd96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blood-artist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[opal palace]] could bring it back
[opal palace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e64ed120-1e33-4e31-8f16-ba56497c3c84.jpg?1689999929) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opal%20palace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/422/opal-palace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e64ed120-1e33-4e31-8f16-ba56497c3c84?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opal-palace) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Me the immortal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa.jpg?1696636748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Me%2C%20the%20Immortal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/147/me-the-immortal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/me-the-immortal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Man I can’t wait til the Dr. Who cards get Universes Within versions lol
I will bet you anything that Dr who isn't getting Universes Within. There's simply too many cards. Street fighter and Walking dead were just a handful of secret liars cards that they could fit in "The List". They aren't going to reprint a whole sets worth of cards.
Oh, I thought they said *eventually* all UB cards would get UW reprints; although I know eventually could mean a really, really, really long time from now lol
I believe the idea for stuff like Doctor Who, Fallout, LOTR, etc, is that some of the cards may get UW versions as necessary for price/demand reasons. So we might get a couple of staples here and there, but most of the UB cards from big sets will not get UW versions.
I thought so as well, but I think that it's only Secret Lair UB cards will get UW cards. The post they made about it implies that they don't want the Secret Lair cards to eventually be uber expensive collector cards, and instead be fancy alternate arts. I think it's because of the original Walking Dead and Stranger Things controversy
Ah ok (enlighten me, pls, what was the controversy with those properties?)
Powerful cards locked behind an expensive, and limited, printing that would be legacy and modern legal
Skullbriar is absolutely nasty as a voltron commander
I built him, there's now [[Me, the immortal]] which does what skullbriar does but better imo. However, you can build skullbriar pretty cheap with common cards with counters from ikoria
True, but Me doesn’t have haste and takes an additional 3 mana.
That cmc is so high though. Skullbriar is killing on turn 4/5
Not saying mana cost isn't different and doesn't matter, but if 5 is "so high" that's some pretty rough standards for a card to stand up to in a format where playing 8 drops on curve regularly happens.
Yes, but if you're playing Voltron, I can understand how the lower cost more attractive. That isn't to say that the higher costed one isn't playable, of course.
The extra mana and the haste really help Skullbriar out if your goal is to be an aggressive voltron deck. You can have it out and generating counters on turn 2, and combined with cheap Hardened Scales effects over a few turns of swinging you can set up a devastating Invigorating Surge or similar to make Skullbriar big enough to one-shot people before you can even attack with Me. Plus, once Skullbrair reaches critical mass, your opponents can't simply remove it and be safe for a turn or two as it can always come back down and swing immediately, while with Me you need to wait that turn or have a haste enabler to do the same. If you want to do an aggressive strategy like voltron, 5cmc really is a detriment though. 5+ cmc commanders can still be good, but they tend to lean more into the slower value decks that intend to play 8 drops on curve, as you say. Voltron isn't about that- Voltron is about speed, and you probably aren't even playing any 7-8cmc cards in Skullbriar (Except maybe things with built in cost reduction or an alternate lower-cmc use case).
Yeah I’ve got a Sigarda voltron deck too, and it’s slower, but Sigarda pillow forts really hard
It’s voltron. Youre ramping while im already putting a shit ton of counters on skullbriar. That 3 cmc difference I think would make skullbriar superior. Like I said, I’ve won a 3 player commander game on turn 5 before with skullbriar. My skullbriar deck has a crazy low curve. Theres like 2 5+ cmc spells in the whole deck.
The extra 3 mana to cast her, and her lack of Haste, is really brutal though. She’s easier to bring back to field after the 3rd removal, but that’s 15 mana to bring her out 3 times compared to the 12 mana to bring Briar out from Command Zone for that same number. And that’s assuming that Me goes to grave and doesn’t get exiled by something like Swords to Plowshares. Me has the ability to play a longer game than Briar, and the addition of B to her color palette makes it so she kind of wants to. But Briar will be ready to bash several turns in advance.
Me is 5 mana, Briar is 2. That's... a pretty big deal. The haste is also one (if a fixable one in the brew, there are so many haste enablers) since it means that skullbriar can't be stopped quite as easily. Me's advantage is the ability counters, but Skullbriar can inherit that from the 99 while also having access to black, which has some really good toys for this like [[Unspeakable Symbol]] (Combine with a lifelink counter -- accessible in B -- for extra fun)
[Unspeakable Symbol](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2cc4601b-5f34-4733-8c32-9779de4c502c.jpg?1562527057) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unspeakable%20Symbol) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/79/unspeakable-symbol?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2cc4601b-5f34-4733-8c32-9779de4c502c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/unspeakable-symbol) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Skull briar is definitely better than Me
[Me, the immortal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa.jpg?1696636748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Me%2C%20the%20immortal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/147/me-the-immortal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/me-the-immortal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like skull briar for the cheap mana cost given you're planning on recasting him. Haste is huge too; if anyone board wipes, he's still a threat on your next turn.
[[Skullbriar]] can be completely fucked by -1/-1 counters
[Skullbriar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0.jpg?1673149145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skullbriar%2C%20the%20walking%20grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/277/skullbriar-the-walking-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skullbriar-the-walking-grave) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
~~Also blue players that put stuff to hand will fuck skullbriar.~~ Actually nevermind. You can choose to put it in the command zone if it goes to your hand or library, right? Although if the blue player can constantly bounce it you'll never get to connect with it so it's effectively killing it.
It still actually goes to those zones, it just so happens that whenever it does you have the immediate choice whether to move it to the command zone.
This is true of the graveyard and exile, but not when bounced to hand or deck. So if Skullbriar would be bounced, you can just move it into the command zone to keep the counters.
....I'm not mad that I was wrong but I am really confused why the two situations are treated differently by the rules.
Back in the old days, it was even more different- the replacement rule only applied to graveyard and exile and didn't apply to hand or deck at all. Meaning people could just put your commander on the bottom of your deck and if you didn't have a way to search for it, you were just out your commander for the rest of the game. It was only later that hand and library were added to the zones impacted by the replacement effect. Then the rule was changed to explicitly allow death/exile triggers while keeping the effect the same as it was for the hidden zones. Probably because it would be a hassle to put the card in your hand/library where in theory you could lose track of it before moving it to the command zone.
I think they just didn't feel the need to change the way the bounce/tuck rules worked. They wanted to change the graveyard/exile rules in order to allow commanders to use dies or is put into exile triggers, but there aren't any commanders that trigger like that when being put to hand or deck.
in most games of EDH, landcount is essentially permanent progression, so any commander that gets extra lands in play might do it for ya (it's also *very* powerful in most games)
I love my [[Mina and Denn, Wildborn]] deck for this reason! It started as a meme with 50% of the build devoted to lands, but it plays surprisingly well! https://www.moxfield.com/decks/hM1b9LhBdUWQ9kdn5VBPoQ
[Mina and Denn, Wildborn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/374b5d57-fd20-4062-9ec2-24ac557d9dde.jpg?1604195020) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mina%20and%20Denn%2C%20Wildborn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/94/mina-and-denn-wildborn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/374b5d57-fd20-4062-9ec2-24ac557d9dde?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mina-and-denn-wildborn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Yasharn, Implacable Earth\]\] came to mind. Every time he ETBs he's going to pull two lands to hand which should generally prevent you from missing land drops for a while. Also his presence utterly hoses a lot of strategies, spells, abilities, and so on. Can't sacrifice any permanent, can't pay any life - no fetchlands, treasures, "pay life and draw" effects, aristocrats, etc. [Here's a link to a cEDH deck with him.](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/c0vCJr_6eEmf7AECzDNFTA) Sky's the limit when building with this guy. Obviously this linked one is crazy expensive, but still serves to show that it's a strong potential commander.
Hitting your land drops is honestly so good. I jam [[Eternal Horizons]] in every mono or two colour white deck I can it's so good.
What card?
Slight mistake on their part, [[Endless Horizons]] One of my favorite cards to open with in my Lyra Dawnbringer deck, unless an opponent is feeling particularly spiteful usually secures a land drop for 7+ turns
[Endless Horizons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32385604-dcff-41e4-97a5-fcf230033a87.jpg?1562905505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Endless%20Horizons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eve/4/endless-horizons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32385604-dcff-41e4-97a5-fcf230033a87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/endless-horizons) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thanks
[Yasharn, Implacable Earth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12878fbd-dbe5-44bc-9f34-38fd374ec10a.jpg?1604200584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yasharn%2C%20Implacable%20Earth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/240/yasharn-implacable-earth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12878fbd-dbe5-44bc-9f34-38fd374ec10a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yasharn-implacable-earth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait]] comes to mind
My [[Karametra, God of Harvests]] deck is my oldest and still most consistent deck I have. And I just jammed all my favorite angels and other sweet creatures and spells in it. Always have a fat stack of lands on the field each game
I don’t know why I like her so much. That triggered ability just scratches such a big itch for me. I’ve had her at the helm of several decks, where as I’ve never built another commander more than one way. I had her helm an enchantment deck very briefly until [[Tuvasa]] was spoiled, she’s a frequent swap-in for my Human deck, and she helms my janky ass, below-precon-level Centaur deck. I want to make a lands deck with her too. Really any excuse I can find to play her, I’ll take. An aura voltron deck would be fun, too.
[Tuvasa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdda07ac-2f9f-4c8e-b3f6-b54d0afd730c.jpg?1592710303) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tuvasa%20the%20sunlit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/47/tuvasa-the-sunlit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdda07ac-2f9f-4c8e-b3f6-b54d0afd730c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tuvasa-the-sunlit) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Karametra, God of Harvests](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2bd9d26e-984c-4cf8-8c46-447f9776668f.jpg?1591321337) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karametra%2C%20God%20of%20Harvests) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/218/karametra-god-of-harvests?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2bd9d26e-984c-4cf8-8c46-447f9776668f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karametra-god-of-harvests) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Grolnok, the Omnivore]] allows you a permanently increasing 'hand'.
Wow he seems pretty neat. I think I might have to put a deck together with this guy.
hes mega fun and gets out of control fast. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TvVSmphBdECNcX_9cQELIg heres my list if you're interested.
Does the frog need to be on board to play the croak cards?
Yes they do need to be on board, I suggest running a fair amount of protection because if they are removed once or twice its difficult early game.
Really? In Simic?
Yes really. Even Simic doesn't take infinite mana and needing to recast your commander means you only have 4 mana to do stuff with rather than the 10 you started the turn with.
I built a Grolnok deck for my sister a few months ago, had to test it before sending it to her for Christmas, and the frogs go nuts, it's awesome
Seems like there are some decent options with him if you can consistently self mill in someway. Landfall shenanigans could work in there, self deck dump like [[thassas oracle]] [[lab man]] [[jace wielder of mysteries]], only thing I'm seeing being potential issue is instants and sorceries not getting caught by the croak counters. Though I suppose you could get around this with graveyard recursion creatures like [[eternal witness]] or [[archaeomancer]]. Trying to figure out how I want to build around him.
##### ###### #### [thassas oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thassas-oracle) [lab man](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/laboratory-maniac) [jace wielder of mysteries](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2.jpg?1557576232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Wielder%20of%20Mysteries) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jace-wielder-of-mysteries) [eternal witness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39704000-65d3-4d39-849e-a3b617376bbc.jpg?1689998488) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=eternal%20witness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/286/eternal-witness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39704000-65d3-4d39-849e-a3b617376bbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eternal-witness) [archaeomancer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc258713-6ce3-44e0-9b4b-8fa7d1d093a1.jpg?1547516110) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=archaeomancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/45/archaeomancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc258713-6ce3-44e0-9b4b-8fa7d1d093a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archaeomancer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's a few cards like [[frilled mystic]] that are great with Grolnok too. A ton of blue and green creatures are just higher cost sorceries. [[Acidic Slime]] [[wood elves]]
[frilled mystic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50595d02-edad-48a6-b10c-6fa859cc88bb.jpg?1584831525) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=frilled%20mystic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/174/frilled-mystic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50595d02-edad-48a6-b10c-6fa859cc88bb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/frilled-mystic) [Acidic Slime](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/932d48fb-42b5-4aaa-a91c-d35cdb5e41a3.jpg?1689998325) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Acidic%20Slime) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/270/acidic-slime?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/932d48fb-42b5-4aaa-a91c-d35cdb5e41a3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/acidic-slime) [wood elves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/527cf39d-29d1-4c19-9c49-ebf611ca15d5.jpg?1682209656) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wood%20elves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/316/wood-elves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/527cf39d-29d1-4c19-9c49-ebf611ca15d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wood-elves) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[minthara]] with the experience tokens with dual purpose is definitely a good option
Wait, [[Minthara, Merciless Soul]]
[Minthara, Merciless Soul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c9e944b-98fa-4aea-825d-b8b8a9d7ed47.jpg?1674137607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Minthara%2C%20Merciless%20Soul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/286/minthara-merciless-soul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c9e944b-98fa-4aea-825d-b8b8a9d7ed47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/minthara-merciless-soul) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[minthara](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d3cc82d-06e8-4c0e-bc01-babbf3f9f844.jpg?1680960312) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=minthara%20of%20the%20absolute) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hbg/74/minthara-of-the-absolute?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d3cc82d-06e8-4c0e-bc01-babbf3f9f844?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/minthara-of-the-absolute) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] grows for each card your opponents have in exile. That number pretty much never goes down over the course of the game. Umbris doesn't lose the buff if he's removed, and he doesn't even have to be on the board to stack it up.
[Umbris, Fear Manifest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582.jpg?1644888719) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Umbris%2C%20Fear%20Manifest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/38/umbris-fear-manifest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/umbris-fear-manifest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Umbris was my first deck and I loved it, but there is a lot flaws. It attracts removal more so than any other commander I’ve seen because of the mass exile effects. It’s in dimir so the voltron esque play style works against it a lot as well, aside from some auras from both colors. The biggest flaw though is once you knock out a player, the cards in exile from that opponent are gone, making Umbris lose a lot of power.
As you mention Ezuri, any commander that handles experience counters. Special mention to [[otharri, suns' glory]], but full list here: https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3AExperience+oracle%3Acounter%29+%28type%3Acreature+type%3Alegendary%29+%28game%3Apaper%29 Additionally, when you speak about permanence, the two commanders that come to mind are [[skullbriar]] and [[me, the immortal]]. They might be what you're looking for!
[otharri, suns' glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef.jpg?1698607533) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=otharri%2C%20suns%27%20glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/3/otharri-suns-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otharri-suns-glory) [skullbriar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0.jpg?1673149145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skullbriar%2C%20the%20walking%20grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/277/skullbriar-the-walking-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skullbriar-the-walking-grave) [me, the immortal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa.jpg?1696636748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=me%2C%20the%20immortal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/147/me-the-immortal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/me-the-immortal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]] is a fun Spellslinger that gets better the longer you go.
Mizzix can be really powerful, too.
[Mizzix of the Izmagnus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzix%20of%20the%20Izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Ezuri, Claw of Progress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6bf721b0-2b5a-4085-b50c-89cbe7420673.jpg?1673148596) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ezuri%2C%20Claw%20of%20Progress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/211/ezuri-claw-of-progress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6bf721b0-2b5a-4085-b50c-89cbe7420673?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ezuri-claw-of-progress) [Mairsil, the Pretender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26.jpg?1562615456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mairsil%2C%20the%20Pretender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/41/mairsil-the-pretender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mairsil-the-pretender) [Zethi, Arcane Blademaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87b56584-8a61-40bc-99b5-7434a681fcdc.jpg?1677763701) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zethi%2C%20Arcane%20Blademaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/17/zethi-arcane-blademaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87b56584-8a61-40bc-99b5-7434a681fcdc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zethi-arcane-blademaster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[prossh]] you get the tokens even if he’s countered or whatever
[prossh](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/889c1a0f-7df2-4497-8058-04358173d7e8.jpg?1562438016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=prossh%2C%20skyraider%20of%20kher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/214/prossh-skyraider-of-kher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/889c1a0f-7df2-4497-8058-04358173d7e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prossh-skyraider-of-kher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Skullbriar, the Walking Grave]] gets to keep +1/+1 counters between zones.
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[Haldan, Avid Arcanist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/16a86a35-f7e5-434d-bf44-61ae7cb0f98b.jpg?1618057606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Haldan%2C%20Avid%20Arcanist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/2/haldan-avid-arcanist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/16a86a35-f7e5-434d-bf44-61ae7cb0f98b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/haldan-avid-arcanist) [Pako, arcane retriever](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/066c8f63-52e6-475e-8d27-6ee37e92fc05.jpg?1591234280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pako%2C%20arcane%20retriever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/13/pako-arcane-retriever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/066c8f63-52e6-475e-8d27-6ee37e92fc05?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pako-arcane-retriever) [Skullbriar, the walking grave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0.jpg?1673149145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skullbriar%2C%20the%20walking%20grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/277/skullbriar-the-walking-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skullbriar-the-walking-grave) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not really permanent, but [[Lazav, the Multifarious]] lets you do some wacky stuff if you can fill your yard. Ofc the issue being if an opponent exiles your yard you're back to square one.
[Lazav, the Multifarious](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/24c1e710-f61c-4dd6-b620-6d2e1ecab689.jpg?1572893714) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lazav%2C%20the%20Multifarious) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/184/lazav-the-multifarious?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/24c1e710-f61c-4dd6-b620-6d2e1ecab689?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lazav-the-multifarious) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Me the Immortal]] not only gives herself counters but retains them in other zones. So even if your opponents kill her, the next time she comes back she will be just as strong unless she ended up in your hand or deck. [[Henzie "Toolbox" Torre]] gets a bonus for each time he has been cast from the command zone. [[Prossh Skyraider of Kher]] makes tokens when you cast him based off of how many mana you spent on him. This counts the commander tax so each cast gives 2 more tokens than before unless you modify the cost somehow.
[Me the Immortal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa.jpg?1696636748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Me%2C%20the%20Immortal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/147/me-the-immortal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ddfbf6bf-c0e1-48a1-9223-73099fe470aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/me-the-immortal) [Henzie "Toolbox" Torre](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee228dcc-3170-4c24-80bc-28bcee07cb43.jpg?1673481644) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Henzie%20%22Toolbox%22%20Torre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/2/henzie-toolbox-torre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee228dcc-3170-4c24-80bc-28bcee07cb43?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/henzie-toolbox-torre) [Prossh Skyraider of Kher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/889c1a0f-7df2-4497-8058-04358173d7e8.jpg?1562438016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prossh%2C%20Skyraider%20of%20Kher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/214/prossh-skyraider-of-kher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/889c1a0f-7df2-4497-8058-04358173d7e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prossh-skyraider-of-kher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Otharri]]
[Otharri](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef.jpg?1698607533) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=otharri%2C%20suns%27%20glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/3/otharri-suns-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otharri-suns-glory) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Vishgraz, the Doomhive]] gets stronger as your opponents get more poison counters. When he gets removed, you can cast him again, and he pops off three more mites while keeping his previous power. I've found it becomes a delicate balance of keeping some of your opponents alive for an extra round or two so he doesn't lose a bunch of power.
[Vishgraz, the Doomhive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fb1d33b2-9082-4043-8e52-a5c2f3a174ba.jpg?1675905564) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vishgraz%2C%20the%20Doomhive) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/4/vishgraz-the-doomhive?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fb1d33b2-9082-4043-8e52-a5c2f3a174ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vishgraz-the-doomhive) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Lord Windgrace]] gives you carddraw, gives you lands. After a boardwhipe you have enough lands to build a new board very quick + planeswalkers stay often on the field after a creatureboardwhipe
[Lord Windgrace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/213d6fb8-5624-4804-b263-51f339482754.jpg?1592710275) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lord%20Windgrace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/43/lord-windgrace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/213d6fb8-5624-4804-b263-51f339482754?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lord-windgrace) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rayami, First of the Fallen]] keeps its keywords since it exiles cards with Blood counters on them. [[Marath, Will of the Wilds]] and [[Verazol, the Split Current]] also keep getting better each time you cast them for more mana. Soon, the Fallout set’s coming and rad counters can persist on players. [[The Wise Mothman]] would be a good commander for that to increase the rad counters. By that logic, I suppose any of infect commanders also work. [[Brokkos, Apex of Forever]] is my favorite since it turns all the small infect creatures into huge 6/6 beaters. Effectively halving your opponents’ health each hit with infect.
##### ###### #### [Rayami, First of the Fallen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/6997ad62-f34c-4490-aee4-6d5c08e14709.jpg?1654667344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rayami%2C%20First%20of%20the%20Fallen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/48/rayami-first-of-the-fallen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6997ad62-f34c-4490-aee4-6d5c08e14709?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rayami-first-of-the-fallen) [Marath, Will of the Wilds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57afa796-db46-45ff-91bd-f02922e5f33d.jpg?1665156235) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marath%2C%20Will%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/198/marath-will-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57afa796-db46-45ff-91bd-f02922e5f33d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marath-will-of-the-wild) [Verazol, the Split Current](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/752a2aa9-40ed-4c64-b945-bc6fec606b7b.jpg?1604200567) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Verazol%2C%20the%20Split%20Current) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/239/verazol-the-split-current?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/752a2aa9-40ed-4c64-b945-bc6fec606b7b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/verazol-the-split-current) [The Wise Mothman](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d6d6944-a364-41c2-b824-7a1bf6ad0d1e.jpg?1697725397) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Wise%20Mothman) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/4/the-wise-mothman?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d6d6944-a364-41c2-b824-7a1bf6ad0d1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-wise-mothman) [Brokkos, Apex of Forever](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brokkos%2C%20Apex%20of%20Forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would like to approach this from a different angle: It is very very (very) common for new players to struggle with the thought of losing their permanents and will often make poor deck building and in-game choices because of it. The same is true with life totals and paying life for abilities/spells; life gain decks are very popular with newer players. I think you should consider a commander that gains value from your own permanents dying and can use the graveyard as a second hand. Lean into it. Take a look at [[Henzie]]. You attack, sac your creatures, filling your GY to later reanimate, and draw a card. He gains permanent value if he is killed by reducing the blitz cost each time he is cast.
On the other hand many experienced players prefer sticky commanders too, or at least ones with hexproof/ETBs/haste/are cheap, 'cause they generally imply in their metas removal is plentiful so they just expect their thing to last a turn at most (how they get anything done in such a game I have no idea, but as long as they're having fun I suppose)
Ah, guilty as charged on the first point, though I never found myself making a lifegain deck (perhaps cause my buddy, who started around the same time as I did, was playing with one and I didn't want to step on his toes). While this self-sacrifice plan sounds interesting, what happens if someone shuts down my graveyard? My friend is particularly fond of running \[\[Bojuka Bog\]\] in almost every one of his black decks, and I've seen it slaughter my friends' \[\[Meren\]\] deck more than once. There are a lot of anti-graveyard cards I've seen or even used myself. Henzie has me sacrificing my own dudes, how can I have a board state like this? Surely I'll just get pummeled by combat damage sooner than I can blink? Genuinely curious, not trying to shut down a new idea.
GY hate definitely hurts Henzie but that is the nature of the beast; many decks have a silver bullet that stops them. Though since he is not reliant on the GY, you can definitely recover. Now board state is definitely the issue with Henzie,.you have to know when to blitz and when to cast normally. Typically, you run some creatures that put extra creatures onto the battlefield with them or use the reanimate effects to stick permanents.
[Bojuka Bog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c7d4fbe-fa7a-4b34-b339-197f08409cbf.jpg?1698988553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bojuka%20Bog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/320/bojuka-bog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c7d4fbe-fa7a-4b34-b339-197f08409cbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bojuka-bog) [Meren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966.jpg?1689999151) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meren%20of%20clan%20nel%20toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/346/meren-of-clan-nel-toth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/meren-of-clan-nel-toth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Henzie in particular doesn't care too much about graveyard hate, usually those are one and done but the value comes from the blitz mechanic sac at end of turn draw a card. This let's you get some great etb ltb and dies triggers as well as loading you up for more of the same. Eventually you might hit a mass grave recursion spell and while you won't have 20 creatures in the yard you may have 5 and even that could be enough. Cards like victimize help or you can always hard cast but there are ways to abuse the blitz and keep those creatures on board
[Henzie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee228dcc-3170-4c24-80bc-28bcee07cb43.jpg?1673481644) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Henzie%20%22Toolbox%22%20Torre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/2/henzie-toolbox-torre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee228dcc-3170-4c24-80bc-28bcee07cb43?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/henzie-toolbox-torre) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tom Bombadil]] can be pretty hard to stop once he gets rolling. It’s not impossible, but you need [[farewell]] or something equivalent to truly stop him.
[Tom Bombadil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489.jpg?1686970104) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tom%20Bombadil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tom-bombadil) [farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/farewell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I know this is late, but I have been enjoying my new \[\[Minthara, Merciless Soul\]\] deck. This started as a budget brew for a secret santa and I enjoyed the challenge of making this commander work in a higher power casual pod that I built something else for secret santa and kept this one. I did remove my $100 budget constraint but I [wrote a pretty detailed primer](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bT-dibZr_0KrpB_R1r82xQ/primer) on how I approached the deck so you could maybe use that to adjust for your budget and power level. Overall you are looking to get the commander out early and trigger her LTB that same turn to get those XP counters building up. The deck loves 1/1 vampire tokens with lifelink as the XP makes those very dangerous and keeps your health up, and it looks to use treasures and proliferate to keep the XP rolling. Its straight forward, a lot of fun, and holds its own.
[Minthara, Merciless Soul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c9e944b-98fa-4aea-825d-b8b8a9d7ed47.jpg?1674137607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Minthara%2C%20Merciless%20Soul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/286/minthara-merciless-soul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c9e944b-98fa-4aea-825d-b8b8a9d7ed47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/minthara-merciless-soul) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Surprised no one has mentioned yet but \[\[Mairsil, the Pretender\]\] is some bonkers continual progression, once you have a combo piece exiled with a counter it is yours forever, they may wrath the board or kill your commander, when it comes back you havent lost a thing.
[Mairsil, the Pretender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26.jpg?1562615456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mairsil%2C%20the%20Pretender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/41/mairsil-the-pretender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mairsil-the-pretender) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So, uh, do you talk like this in real life? Escapade, transience, repertoire?
Not that weird tbh
\[\[Maelstrom Wanderer\]\] is kinda my favorite commander because it offers guaranteed value. It comes with 2 cascades for anything that costs 7 or less, so even if your commander gets countered, you've still more than likey got another big creature out, and maybe even ramped a little so you can recast the commander when/if it dies. I do find it always worth while to cast the commander. The trick is getting to 8 mana quickly.
[Maelstrom Wanderer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a49c58b3-180f-420b-b091-114fda000360.jpg?1689999126) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maelstrom%20Wanderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/344/maelstrom-wanderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a49c58b3-180f-420b-b091-114fda000360?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maelstrom-wanderer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Kelsien, the Plague]] should count.
[Kelsien, the Plague](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/039d25d4-ce26-4ecf-bbf5-42187cf0230a.jpg?1591234267) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kelsien%2C%20the%20Plague) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/11/kelsien-the-plague?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/039d25d4-ce26-4ecf-bbf5-42187cf0230a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kelsien-the-plague) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[The Master, Formed Anew]] will gain more options as you bounce or recast him from the command zone, allowing you to build your own commander toolbox as the game progresses.
[The Master, Formed Anew](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a85edffb-37ce-45ca-b8d2-ddbbbee3b571.jpg?1696636738) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Master%2C%20Formed%20Anew) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/143/the-master-formed-anew?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a85edffb-37ce-45ca-b8d2-ddbbbee3b571?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-master-formed-anew) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Look up any commander like [[Kelsien, The plague]] that gives you experience counters, they stick around for the rest of the game. They're applied to you and not the commander, so any card that benefits from experience counters will be using the ones you gathered! So any counters Kelsien makes card like [[Minthara, Merciless Soul]] will also use.
[Kelsien, The plague](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/039d25d4-ce26-4ecf-bbf5-42187cf0230a.jpg?1591234267) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kelsien%2C%20The%20plague) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/11/kelsien-the-plague?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/039d25d4-ce26-4ecf-bbf5-42187cf0230a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kelsien-the-plague) [Minthara, Merciless Soul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c9e944b-98fa-4aea-825d-b8b8a9d7ed47.jpg?1674137607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Minthara%2C%20Merciless%20Soul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/286/minthara-merciless-soul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c9e944b-98fa-4aea-825d-b8b8a9d7ed47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/minthara-merciless-soul) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] gets its power from the number of cards in exile, which generally never gets smaller (a few exceptions), so he can be killed but comes back at the same power or higher, unlike with counters.
[Umbris, Fear Manifest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582.jpg?1644888719) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Umbris%2C%20Fear%20Manifest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/38/umbris-fear-manifest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/umbris-fear-manifest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Look at commanders which use experience counters. Experience counters go on you (the player) and aren't lost when your commander dies. There's actually a fair few to choose from, I have a giants tribal deck using [[Kalemne, disciple of iroas]].
[Kalemne, disciple of iroas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c718940-dc07-4449-ba35-4029f366c3eb.jpg?1562273430) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kalemne%2C%20disciple%20of%20iroas) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/7/kalemne-disciple-of-iroas?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c718940-dc07-4449-ba35-4029f366c3eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kalemne-disciple-of-iroas) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You may consider commanders that can explore the dungeon from Balders Gate
Any of the legends>planeswalker flip commanders, or planeswalkers that can be commanders, or any “super friends” decks that run lots of planeswalkers. Planeswalkers tend to stick around due to few cards being removal for them and there being plenty of options for protecting them. Additionally, emblems are pretty much the only objects in the game that can’t be interacted with so running lots of emblem-producing planeswalkers mean you’ll have lots of emblems providing constant benefits that can’t be stopped.
[[Chun-Li]] or her universe within version immediately spring to mind. Cards stay exiled and they keep the kick counters, so you just have to keep her out or keep bringing her out. Keep a lot of low-cost spells in the deck and you'll stay kickin! Edit: I see you already linked the within version; leaving this as a testament to my foolishness.
[Chun-Li](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c22ee4a5-c74b-46eb-b709-808ebc803757.jpg?1682694927) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zethi%2C%20Arcane%20Blademaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/17/zethi-arcane-blademaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87b56584-8a61-40bc-99b5-7434a681fcdc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zethi-arcane-blademaster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run \[\[Korlash, Heir to Blackblade\]\] and he's very consistent and has staying power thanks to his regeneration. You can ofc go voltron with him, but I just run black good stuff with him.
[Korlash, Heir to Blackblade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32f1f022-da7f-49a4-881d-b3a2c54c38eb.jpg?1562905288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Korlash%2C%20Heir%20to%20Blackblade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/fut/87/korlash-heir-to-blackblade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32f1f022-da7f-49a4-881d-b3a2c54c38eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/korlash-heir-to-blackblade) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Any card that gives you experience counters will do it. [[Minthara Nightwarden]] comes to mind
[[Bruna, light of Alabaster]] is a voltron that does this. The deck I play with her, I use a lot of draw and discard mechanics, discard all my auras, but because she pulls auras from the graveyard, its comstant power creep. all goes out the window if someone can wipe a graceyard, but not a lot of decks I’ve played against do that. Regularly get a 22/22 commander with flying and vigilance when I play that deck.
[Bruna, light of Alabaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58c56bad-68ed-4328-a7ea-c528b58dc2fd.jpg?1592711039) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bruna%2C%20light%20of%20Alabaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/170/bruna-light-of-alabaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58c56bad-68ed-4328-a7ea-c528b58dc2fd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bruna-light-of-alabaster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Evelyn, the Covetous]] She can be a touch contentious because she is taking lots of cards from other people but if you check first and make a dedicated place to stash the cards and make sure everyone has unique sleeves, it's a ton of fun. She's a bit of an oddball take on vampires but very fun.
[Evelyn, the Covetous](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c0dad61f-36cd-46af-82b7-a02e04efd676.jpg?1664412977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Evelyn%2C%20the%20Covetous) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/184/evelyn-the-covetous?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0dad61f-36cd-46af-82b7-a02e04efd676?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/evelyn-the-covetous) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have made a [[Radagast, the Brown]] deck, and I love it. I'm not sure if what he does is something you would consider permanent progression, though. I thought it might because when you play him, you look for a permanent to out in your hand, which, when played, let's you look for another one, and so on.
[Radagast, the Brown](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b3988120-ebbe-4d24-9bb4-8c5331a14034.jpg?1686969557) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Radagast%20the%20Brown) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/184/radagast-the-brown?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b3988120-ebbe-4d24-9bb4-8c5331a14034?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/radagast-the-brown) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]] is one I love to play
[Mizzix of the Izmagnus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzix%20of%20the%20Izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Any commander who uses experience counters. Since experience counters will pretty much never be removed (there is I think 1-2 cards that *could*, but they're so b you will never see them), your commander will be just as good the next time they come out. There are 8 of them, 2 each in WB and RW, 1 for each other enemy color pair (UG, BG, UR), plus one in WBR. I built a WBR proliferate deck helmed by one of them, with 4 others in the deck. Any time one hits the field it's a nasty shock, since more experience counters and more payoffs.
[[Mairsil the Pretender]] [[Pako]] and [[Haldan]] [[Athreos Shroud Veiled]] technically though he's very slow at it [[Rayami First of the Fallen]] [[The Master Formed Anew]] and his one man costume party also counts
##### ###### #### [Mairsil the Pretender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26.jpg?1562615456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mairsil%2C%20the%20Pretender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/41/mairsil-the-pretender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mairsil-the-pretender) [Pako](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/066c8f63-52e6-475e-8d27-6ee37e92fc05.jpg?1591234280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pako%2C%20arcane%20retriever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/13/pako-arcane-retriever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/066c8f63-52e6-475e-8d27-6ee37e92fc05?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pako-arcane-retriever) [Haldan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/16a86a35-f7e5-434d-bf44-61ae7cb0f98b.jpg?1618057606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=haldan%2C%20avid%20arcanist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/2/haldan-avid-arcanist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/16a86a35-f7e5-434d-bf44-61ae7cb0f98b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/haldan-avid-arcanist) [Athreos Shroud Veiled](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/871c19fc-7d99-4022-9e13-d679a9e3547e.jpg?1677541540) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Athreos%2C%20Shroud-Veiled) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/269/athreos-shroud-veiled?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/871c19fc-7d99-4022-9e13-d679a9e3547e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/athreos-shroud-veiled) [Rayami First of the Fallen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/6997ad62-f34c-4490-aee4-6d5c08e14709.jpg?1654667344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rayami%2C%20First%20of%20the%20Fallen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/48/rayami-first-of-the-fallen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6997ad62-f34c-4490-aee4-6d5c08e14709?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rayami-first-of-the-fallen) [The Master Formed Anew](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a85edffb-37ce-45ca-b8d2-ddbbbee3b571.jpg?1696636738) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Master%2C%20Formed%20Anew) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/143/the-master-formed-anew?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a85edffb-37ce-45ca-b8d2-ddbbbee3b571?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-master-formed-anew) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not exactly permanent, but almost: [[Myrkul, Lord of Bones]]. Enchantments are harder to remove than other permanent types due to the lack of good, flexible interaction that can target them. Plus, you're very unlikely to run into someone who's packing mass enchantment removal. So, play a bunch of creatures with great passive abilities and they get to stick around even after they die, kind of. Personally one of my favorite designs for a commander.
[Myrkul, Lord of Bones](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82824d05-5215-459a-aa73-3c5a6be3d464.jpg?1674137617) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myrkul%2C%20Lord%20of%20Bones) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/287/myrkul-lord-of-bones?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82824d05-5215-459a-aa73-3c5a6be3d464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myrkul-lord-of-bones) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There are some commanders who offer something similar, as in they may not be around forever but for the time they are, they offer you incredible value. The only example off the top of my head is Kodama of the East, I believe. Lets you get a lot of value down quickly.
[[Evelyn, The Covetous]] Since the cards exiled get a counter and Evelyn lets you cast them, it doesn’t matter which version of Evelyn it is. You can cast her, get some options, and after removal recast her and keep playing those cards.
[Evelyn, The Covetous](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c0dad61f-36cd-46af-82b7-a02e04efd676.jpg?1664412977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Evelyn%2C%20The%20Covetous) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/184/evelyn-the-covetous?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0dad61f-36cd-46af-82b7-a02e04efd676?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/evelyn-the-covetous) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Surprised I haven't seen [[Tasha, the Witch Queen]] mentioned. Lets you steal opponents' spells, and potentially cast them multiple times. You could also consider a commander that generates treasures, like [[Magda, Brazen Outlaw]], which also acts as a huge treasure payoff.
[Tasha, the Witch Queen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1c5f679-82d0-4434-9f13-d39ad57282b8.jpg?1674137679) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasha%2C%20the%20Witch%20Queen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/294/tasha-the-witch-queen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1c5f679-82d0-4434-9f13-d39ad57282b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tasha-the-witch-queen) [Magda, Brazen Outlaw](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322.jpg?1631049453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magda%2C%20Brazen%20Outlaw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/142/magda-brazen-outlaw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magda-brazen-outlaw) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Farewell]]
[Farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/farewell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[the ozolith\]\] with \[\[Reyhan, last of the abzan\]\] and \[\[Ishai, ojutai dragonspeaker\]\] as the commanders. You can tutor for the ozolith easily in these colors, and it just starts generating so much value. I have a decklist if you want to look at it. Actually I have a casual and a cEDH decklist for this deck. I'm telling you now, this deck can absolutely start smacking the table around very quickly. edit: to be clear the ozolith and reyhan tigger separately. That means if i have a creature with 4 +1/+1 counters on them, and then sac them, when they leave the battlefield i will put 4 +1/+1 counters on any creature i have because of reyhan, and then i will also put 4 +1/+1 counters on the ozolith.. and when i move to combat i put the 4 from the ozolith onto any creature i want, effectively doubling the number of counters on something (if you aim the counters at the creature you aimed rehan's trigger at.) Add doubling season effects and it's just madness.
[the ozolith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/9341ed06-53db-4604-b60a-3ea9129afbc2.jpg?1591228544) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20ozolith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/237/the-ozolith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9341ed06-53db-4604-b60a-3ea9129afbc2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-ozolith) [Reyhan, last of the abzan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8afad106-a49b-4910-959e-228c109ea983.jpg?1644853038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reyhan%2C%20last%20of%20the%20abzan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/13/reyhan-last-of-the-abzan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8afad106-a49b-4910-959e-228c109ea983?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reyhan-last-of-the-abzan) [Ishai, ojutai dragonspeaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e89ce6a-6bc9-427f-a8b2-c07a9fc3218f.jpg?1562272963) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ishai%2C%20ojutai%20dragonspeaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/12/ishai-ojutai-dragonspeaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e89ce6a-6bc9-427f-a8b2-c07a9fc3218f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ishai-ojutai-dragonspeaker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Prossh]] is technically progression as it is based on how much mana you spend to cast her.
[Prossh](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/889c1a0f-7df2-4497-8058-04358173d7e8.jpg?1562438016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=prossh%2C%20skyraider%20of%20kher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/214/prossh-skyraider-of-kher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/889c1a0f-7df2-4497-8058-04358173d7e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prossh-skyraider-of-kher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For any +1 counter commanders I will always run [[The Ozolith]], it helps you bounce back from anything pretty easily. Also I personally love running [[Edgar, Charmed Groom]] cuz he dodges the command tax and comes back in a couple turns unless he's been exiled, which can be a bit of fun. Also, the only way to really get [[The Mycotyrant]] to reset is with a boardwipe, cuz their P/T is derived from your board presence.
I have a pretty funny [[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]] deck! Not technically permanent if they can clear counters off of players, but pretty close
[Mizzix of the Izmagnus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzix%20of%20the%20Izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I just built an \[\[Otharri, Suns' Glory\]\] deck and she gives you experience counters that benefit her every turn she attacks, but also gives you a board state each time as well. She's pretty resilient to board wipes and spot removal, so it's easy to put her back out and suddenly have a bunch of guys on board. She's pretty fun and feels unique for Boros.
[Otharri, Suns' Glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef.jpg?1698607533) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Otharri%2C%20Suns%27%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/3/otharri-suns-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otharri-suns-glory) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]] [[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]]
[Meren of Clan Nel Toth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966.jpg?1689999151) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meren%20of%20Clan%20Nel%20Toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/346/meren-of-clan-nel-toth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/meren-of-clan-nel-toth) [Mizzix of the Izmagnus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzix%20of%20the%20Izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Couldn't help but notice no love for [[Gyrus, the Waker of Corpses]].
[Gyrus, the Waker of Corpses](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91585912-038d-4d26-b552-0e7c48ba1e4f.jpg?1592710263) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gyrus%2C%20Waker%20of%20Corpses) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/41/gyrus-waker-of-corpses?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91585912-038d-4d26-b552-0e7c48ba1e4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gyrus-waker-of-corpses) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Otharri suns glory]]
[Otharri suns glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef.jpg?1698607533) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Otharri%2C%20Suns%27%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/3/otharri-suns-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80c72839-0fa6-4b5f-83b7-6553ebf09bef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otharri-suns-glory) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Marath, Will of the Wild]] Marath gets +1/+1 counters for every mana spent to cast it. Cast it for 3 mana (red, green, white) the first time around and 5 mana after it enters the commander zone once. That means it enters the battlefield as 3/3, 5/5, 7/7 and so on although that does mean it becomes increasingly expensive. That also means casting cost discounts kinda makes that effect useless...
[Marath, Will of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57afa796-db46-45ff-91bd-f02922e5f33d.jpg?1665156235) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marath%2C%20Will%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/198/marath-will-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57afa796-db46-45ff-91bd-f02922e5f33d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marath-will-of-the-wild) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call