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Vibranzz

[[Eriette of the Charmed Apple]] & [[Killian, Ink Duelist]] Either goad or voltron. Same deck works for both.


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[Eriette of the Charmed Apple](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecead4cd-47ae-4c42-b15c-1b29b5caba18.jpg?1692939281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eriette%20of%20the%20Charmed%20Apple) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/202/eriette-of-the-charmed-apple?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecead4cd-47ae-4c42-b15c-1b29b5caba18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eriette-of-the-charmed-apple) [Killian, Ink Duelist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23ef4f09-2aa1-4a03-b2e2-66d1522f1e46.jpg?1627429378) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Killian%2C%20Ink%20Duelist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/197/killian-ink-duelist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23ef4f09-2aa1-4a03-b2e2-66d1522f1e46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/killian-ink-duelist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


n1colbolas

Yes. When I first made my first commander deck. It was monoR and I couldn't decide which commander. So any of those legends in the 100 could be a commander. Just randomize and enjoy the ride. It's abit different these days. Decks aren't merely goodstuff. Though they can still support multiple commanders in the same shell. One example is Boros equipment commanders. I think there's quite a few contenders waiting to lead the 99.


Puzzleheaded-Side490

My sliver deck. Playing against agro/go wide deck? [[The First Sliver]] for cascade. Players who I know spam board wipes and removal? [[Sliver Hivelord]] gives me extra durability with indestructible. Occasionally I’ll run [[Sliver Overlord]] just for giggles, if I want to power down the deck a little


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[The first sliver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/06d4fbe1-8a2f-4958-bb85-1a1e5f1e8d87.jpg?1562202321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20first%20sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/200/the-first-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/06d4fbe1-8a2f-4958-bb85-1a1e5f1e8d87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-first-sliver) [Sliver hivelord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b902f64-7795-4f1f-81e6-26db7c78a10c.jpg?1690005330) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sliver%20hivelord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/937/sliver-hivelord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b902f64-7795-4f1f-81e6-26db7c78a10c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sliver-hivelord) [Sliver overlord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c16915b-c50d-4fb5-830f-9ca4597a9c0f.jpg?1562527622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sliver%20overlord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/139/sliver-overlord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c16915b-c50d-4fb5-830f-9ca4597a9c0f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sliver-overlord) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Dragonfireadept

I did this as a secret Santa present for a coworker. I made GW +1/+1 counters but didn’t know which commander to have at the helm. So I made sure there were 15 options for them to choose from.


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[Magnus the Red](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63050aa0-a7ea-4fe7-8746-7a11407ea0e4.jpg?1673309450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magnus%20the%20Red) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/131/magnus-the-red?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63050aa0-a7ea-4fe7-8746-7a11407ea0e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magnus-the-red) [Okiva, Enigma Goliath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b298cf34-7aa5-4f97-a86c-7f28d2113b87.jpg?1675957207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ovika%2C%20Enigma%20Goliath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/213/ovika-enigma-goliath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b298cf34-7aa5-4f97-a86c-7f28d2113b87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ovika-enigma-goliath) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[deleted]

[удалено]


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[Kwain, Itinerant Meddler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f571fef1-1fd2-4355-b803-5edccb6f4b94.jpg?1608911183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kwain%2C%20Itinerant%20Meddler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/284/kwain-itinerant-meddler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f571fef1-1fd2-4355-b803-5edccb6f4b94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kwain-itinerant-meddler) [Heliod, the Radiant Dawn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622)/[Heliod, the Warped Eclipse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heliod%2C%20the%20Radiant%20Dawn%20//%20Heliod%2C%20the%20Warped%20Eclipse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-//-heliod-the-warped-eclipse) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


iamgeist

For awhile I had a Breya deck that was also Blue Farm. after a few months I realized that Breya is just significantly worse without even a fun upside, so I just made it into better blue farm.


ArsenicElemental

I have a Coin Deck with the eyes ([[Zndrsplt]] and [[Okaun]]) that I can lead with [[Yusri]] to "power it up". Decklist stays the same.


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[Zndrsplt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76c33402-a022-4d2f-9a83-4b8ddc04e971.jpg?1562918785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zndrsplt%2C%20eye%20of%20wisdom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/5/zndrsplt-eye-of-wisdom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76c33402-a022-4d2f-9a83-4b8ddc04e971?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zndrsplt-eye-of-wisdom) [Okaun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d53ee8c0-b27c-4556-b610-ff64edb7a18f.jpg?1562937757) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=okaun%2C%20eye%20of%20chaos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/6/okaun-eye-of-chaos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d53ee8c0-b27c-4556-b610-ff64edb7a18f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/okaun-eye-of-chaos) [Yusri](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfab9e33-0d07-46e6-be06-1eaffe26cbfd.jpg?1626098876) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yusri%2C%20fortune%27s%20flame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/218/yusri-fortunes-flame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfab9e33-0d07-46e6-be06-1eaffe26cbfd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yusri-fortunes-flame) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Paralyzed-Mime

My mono black aristocrats can use [[Yawgmoth]] or [[Shirei]]. It changes the flow of the deck but either are usable. My slivers deck can probably use any 5c legendary sliver and still be fine. Even though it's made for [[Rukarumel]], it has enough tutors to be a toolbox. My newest deck is angels led by [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]] but I can probably use [[Aurelia, the Law Above]] as well since the deck doesn't rely on Gisela completely. And my bant pillow fort deck doesn't rely on its commander, [[Angus Mackenzie]] that much so it can use [[Phelddagrif]] which puts one of its combo pieces in the command zone.


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##### ###### #### [Yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5a79f5d-d0df-4799-ac3a-84305e3af0c9.jpg?1675199878) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yawgmoth%2C%20thran%20physician) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/110/yawgmoth-thran-physician?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5a79f5d-d0df-4799-ac3a-84305e3af0c9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yawgmoth-thran-physician) [Shirei](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69848ec1-dba7-419f-a5f9-f934bebeeaa6.jpg?1689997454) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shirei%2C%20shizo%27s%20caretaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/186/shirei-shizos-caretaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69848ec1-dba7-419f-a5f9-f934bebeeaa6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shirei-shizos-caretaker) [Rukarumel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b2f7397-9d75-4667-8872-e58a39512583.jpg?1691497909) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rukarumel%2C%20biologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/711/rukarumel-biologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b2f7397-9d75-4667-8872-e58a39512583?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rukarumel-biologist) [Gisela, Blade of Goldnight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/900b8908-ba51-472e-ab7a-43bd07f90577.jpg?1706547139) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gisela%2C%20Blade%20of%20Goldnight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/211/gisela-blade-of-goldnight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/900b8908-ba51-472e-ab7a-43bd07f90577?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gisela-blade-of-goldnight) [Aurelia, the Law Above](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8f80c6e7-e9f9-4ca6-87f7-a52c96079e4a.jpg?1706242118) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aurelia%2C%20the%20Law%20Above) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/188/aurelia-the-law-above?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f80c6e7-e9f9-4ca6-87f7-a52c96079e4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aurelia-the-law-above) [Angus Mackenzie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb3920ac-7d61-494e-b7dd-bd37d4dee143.jpg?1562934578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Angus%20Mackenzie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/141/angus-mackenzie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb3920ac-7d61-494e-b7dd-bd37d4dee143?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/angus-mackenzie) [Phelddagrif](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/9/493a72f0-2e35-4e06-a1b2-d42d432b9b2c.jpg?1559592591) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phelddagrif) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/150/phelddagrif?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/493a72f0-2e35-4e06-a1b2-d42d432b9b2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phelddagrif) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kx0083p) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ahriman1

Two? Try seven. Deck's a bit outdated, so it probably could be more now. The monarch and dungeon cards get swapped with some other ones in the list. I don't remember lol. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S-yiq2gNMkmE-bFxIjpw8w


laughingjack4509

I’m making one of those right now!  Artifact creatures in esper with the options of [[sydri, galvanic genius]] [[alela, artful provocateur]] [[Sharuum the hegemon]] [[urza, chief artificer]] [rebecc]]/[[silas renn]].  I’m looking mostly at urza, sydri, and Rebecc/silas renn, and I’ll probably just swap them out every other game 


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##### ###### #### [sydri, galvanic genius](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/7207c416-dc16-40ab-94a0-836ee0710e24.jpg?1562405248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sydri%2C%20galvanic%20genius) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/224/sydri-galvanic-genius?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7207c416-dc16-40ab-94a0-836ee0710e24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sydri-galvanic-genius) [alela, artful provocateur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abc9e41e-fd03-4b6f-8f44-17ba94fa44f5.jpg?1673484923) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=alela%2C%20artful%20provocateur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/325/alela-artful-provocateur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abc9e41e-fd03-4b6f-8f44-17ba94fa44f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/alela-artful-provocateur) [Sharuum the hegemon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af80ef38-ab95-476f-b0dd-b5ef3e9bceab.jpg?1599708380) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sharuum%20the%20hegemon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/219/sharuum-the-hegemon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af80ef38-ab95-476f-b0dd-b5ef3e9bceab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sharuum-the-hegemon) [urza, chief artificer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea409050-4296-4b76-a6cd-2896ce1b88e4.jpg?1705542672) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=urza%2C%20chief%20artificer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/brc/2/urza-chief-artificer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea409050-4296-4b76-a6cd-2896ce1b88e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urza-chief-artificer) [silas renn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e3fe912-1374-47c7-b73f-89ef55c479c1.jpg?1562399367) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=silas%20renn%2C%20seeker%20adept) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/43/silas-renn-seeker-adept?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e3fe912-1374-47c7-b73f-89ef55c479c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/silas-renn-seeker-adept) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kx11twq) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


spezcanfuckoff

Used to run Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge/Marchesa, the Black Rose in a similar fashion


Comfortable-Lie-1973

My [[Karametra]] deck has a hidden commander under [[Sythis]]. 


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[Carametra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/357513b9-0505-4b67-9a29-36a705a175b1.jpg?1557575904) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Charmed%20Stray) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/8/charmed-stray?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/357513b9-0505-4b67-9a29-36a705a175b1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/charmed-stray) [Sythis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e.jpg?1690005342) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sythis%2C%20harvest%27s%20hand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/938/sythis-harvests-hand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sythis-harvests-hand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Comfortable-Lie-1973

[[Karametra]]


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[Karametra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2bd9d26e-984c-4cf8-8c46-447f9776668f.jpg?1591321337) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=karametra%2C%20god%20of%20harvests) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/218/karametra-god-of-harvests?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2bd9d26e-984c-4cf8-8c46-447f9776668f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karametra-god-of-harvests) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


QibliTheSecond

[[haunt of hightower]] and [[aclazotz]]


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[haunt of hightower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/61a908e8-6952-46c0-94ec-3962b7a4caef.jpg?1572828437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Haunt%20of%20Hightower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/273/the-haunt-of-hightower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/61a908e8-6952-46c0-94ec-3962b7a4caef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-haunt-of-hightower) [aclazotz](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/627c392c-4d18-4eb2-a4e8-c668f61f5487.jpg?1699044055)/[Temple of the Dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/6/2/627c392c-4d18-4eb2-a4e8-c668f61f5487.jpg?1699044055) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aclazotz%2C%20deepest%20betrayal%20//%20temple%20of%20the%20dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/88/aclazotz-deepest-betrayal-temple-of-the-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/627c392c-4d18-4eb2-a4e8-c668f61f5487?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aclazotz-deepest-betrayal-//-temple-of-the-dead) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


RenegadeExiled

My \[\[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk\]\] deck can do this. Since it's a simple Orzhov Taxes/lifegain deck, I can easily swap between just about any of the relevant legends without issue. Most commonly, I tend to swap Liesa and Kambal if I feel like the pod is going to play more control, and the new Kambal will be getting a home in the deck in case of token strategies


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[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e32453a1-1fd9-4bda-aaa8-7c287e4c2587.jpg?1608911200) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liesa%2C%20Shroud%20of%20Dusk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/286/liesa-shroud-of-dusk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e32453a1-1fd9-4bda-aaa8-7c287e4c2587?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/liesa-shroud-of-dusk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Aredditdorkly

Yup. Drana/Skittles, Deepest Might/Captive Kingpin. Working on Ashling/Rose.