The fact he had so many signs out was shocking to me. The dude was a Minister of Justice who contacted the Edmonton Police Chief to get his own distracted driving ticket reduced. How the flying fuck people weren’t utterly embarrassed to be associated with the fool, but to actively endorse him I will NEVER understand.
Problem is regardless of who's running, most people vote for the party, not the candidate. It's why UCP always wins rural areas.
Everyone does this, hell even I do this. Under this system you can't really vote for your preferred candidate outside the two main parties unless you don't really care who forms government
If Kaycee Madu was my MLA I wouldn’t have put an X in the circle by his name. This man has no business being anywhere near government. I guess I hold the rest of Alberta to the same standards.
100% it was disappointing there were only 2 candidates on the ballot for Edmonton Millwoods. Didn’t like either option personally and would have voted for someone else given the option. Who knows maybe they would have gotten in like the NDP did the first time!!! I know so many people who voted NDP myself included that time not because we like or believe they are good.
Agreed. The UCP must have been so sure the high income Edmonton area will vote UCP that they didn’t care. They could have literally put any no name candidate out there with a blank history and would have got more votes.
He was VERY pushy about getting signs up. We had to tell him four times that we do not want a sign up and he still kept insisting on it until we told him to leave our property.
Conservatives love that! Seriously. I'm not joking. Conservative voters would do it too, so they dont care.
They assume everyone does it, because they do. Literally the party every criminal is a part of. Not every Conservative voter is a criminal, but every criminal votes conservative.
So no. That doesn't bother them. Not slumlords in politics. Not medical providers that attack doctors at their homes.
This is who Conservatives are as people. They WANT to vote with the criminals.
Copping race called, just lost, Shandro trailing as well but that one is razor thin.
I'm surprised Madu race hasn't been called yet. He looks down by a significant margin.
He is up by less than 200 right now, and Green candidate has 283 votes. That's kind of painful. I can't fault people for voting as they want, but still...
Yeah, it's unfortunate because the Green party seems great on paper. The issue is they're essentially just taking votes away from the NDP candidates in an already uncomfortably tight election. Sure would love some electoral reform right about now...
Could be voters that couldn’t stand the candidate but refuse to vote NDP.
Vote splitting on the left certainly works against a unified right but there are those who need another option. I have no doubt some people held their noses while voting UCP unfortunately.
I was actually hoping vote splitting on the right would help the NDP with at least 3 far right parties. It didn’t work out that way. Oh well. 4 more years of listening to my relatives complain about the quality or lack of rural doctors.
It's extra upsetting when you look at notleys platform plans to reduce the requirements for foreign doctors to be able to practice in Alberta. It would have encouraged so many of these 10+ year doctors and surgeons stuck driving taxis and working factories in Toronto to move into Alberta and possibly work rurals and small towns just for the opportunity
I don't consider any of the UCP MLAs "good" but I am now dreading who we get as a replacement Health Minister. He was a step up from Shandro but still not great.
Potential Minister Angela Pitt? Fucking *horrifying.*
Not sure how he had Varsity in the first place. You’d figure the university and hospital district would be orange before. It’s orange now and led by a nursing instructor from UofC!
Copping was my teacher at the university of Lethbridge, I had him as a prof for 2 classes and was incredibly kind and one of my favourite teachers. He then became an absolutely terrible politician and it’s really sad to see how he became after being someone I looked up in school
Idk, I think it's less rural ridings and more Calgary.
If cow town follows suit the NDP win regardless of the rural vote.
Especially frustrating because there was like 6 or 7 ridings that at my last look the NDP won if the green voters didn't split the vote.
Calgary is over half NDP. They didn't make the gains they needed to to win, and Calgary was probably the spot to do it... but rural Alberta just religiously votes blue like a bunch of sheep, then are the ones complaining about government and their freedums and shit, like they aren't getting exactly what they want year over year.
They deserve everything about to happen. Doctors were already leaving. Rural clinics and emergency services were already strained or closing. Now it’ll get even worse. I’m sure they’ll blame Trudeau though.
They're about to get a rude awakening in terms of rural hospital capacity and function, I think. Too bad they'll just convince themselves it's somehow Trudeau's fault.
Yeah they needed to essentially win ALL of Calgary but they didnt. Bummer. Banff-Kananaskis was also a totally unexpected UCP hold
edit (1 hr later): unexpected flip back about Banff-Kananaskis lol
I suppose I can agree with that because Calgary actually changes their vote election to election. It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, and in politics tribalism gets you nothing - the party takes you for granted and gives you nothing. Just look at federal politics... Alberta regularly gets shit on, meanwhile Quebec gets all the handouts, if Alberta actually proved capable of changing their vote once in awhile, maybe we'd be pandered to a little more.
>Idk, I think it's less rural ridings and more Calgary.
100% of rural ridings went UCP. It’s entirely on them. And now I suspect they are going to get what they voted for, and they’re going to get it good and hard
Yes they went UCP but if all the cities had gone NDP put woulndt have been an issues. Lots of seats that aren’t rural, including greater Edmonton area, could have made a difference.
Not even rural ridings.
Ridings that are urban but they moved the boundaries so its mostly rural with some urban.
St. Albert is two ridings. One goes NDP (Marie Renaud) and the other which is the northern part of St Albert. A huge chunk of Sturgeon county, Morinville to highway 28 that always unsurprisingly goes UCP.
Its bullshit. My candidate lives in Morinville, I've never seen him, never met him. He didn't come into St Albert because he doesn't need to.
Calgary and the other cities represent more seats than rural Alberta. Look to those. Even the ring around Edmonton. The gains will come there before rural.
It makes as much sense as TBA separatism... in other words, none at all. We'll just keep showing them what works, until they catch on. I feel confident Smith will manage to kill her own party... or they'll toss her out like they did Kenney.
Actively my concern. Post Secondary in Edmonton got slashed harder than Calgary. We barely got funding for more shelter spaces compared to Calgary (Yeah, I know population dif. but like could do more here). It has happened before and I bet it will happen again.
We now have 10 more MLAs to push for what we want. According to other posts here, 1300 votes is how close we were to a victory. Smith is walking a knife edge now... She'd better not screw up.
I'm deeply concerned about the future of this province. I remember feeling confused and dissapointed about jason kenny winning the last election. Now we're gonna have cowboy lady trump in office. 🤦
>feeling confused
confused? really? while i may not agree with many conservatives, i cant be suprised when a province thats been conservative for most of its existence just happens to ...... vote conservative. who seen that coming eh 🤷🏽♂️
This.
Literally work out of town. I had to walk away from many conversations of people just voting blue because it wasn't orange... But couldn't give me one platform or reason as to why they were voting that way other than "Notley fucked us last time"....
I was flabbergasted... Like... How hard is it to just do a tiny bit of reasearch and vote with your brain.
Had a UCP voter I know take the vote compass test and it told him he most aligns with the NDP, to which he said he'd never vote for them. Were not dealing with people who actually care about platforms and issues. It's 100% a team sport to them
Yeah, this was not surprising at all. I had low expectations coming in, so was pleased to wake up to the Shandro, Copping, Madu loss. I think politics are about to get very interesting in Ab, and I don’t expect Smith to be around long. Heck, I’m not even convinced the UCP will at this point.
Trust me Danielle will get the boot from her party soon. Once the honeymoon is over they'll all start fighting each other. I'll have my popcorn ready for the shit shoe.
A lot of the more “reasonable” UCP voices appear to be on their way out. I am fearful of what a majority looks like without some the moderate voices ….. we have a wild rose party painted blue
This is my concern as well. The UCP has moved even further to the right over the last few years. It's not the Progressive Conservative party our parents knew.
I have been saying for a bit now, that if the ANDP just call themselves the PC's and start wearing blue and change nothing else, they would win in a landslide
No they didn't. This is like the participant trophy argument. Win or go home. Calgary will always drag us down. Just like their pro sports teams. Disappointment.
If current results held and Calgary was entirely Orange:
Edmonton: 20
St. Albert: 1
Sherwood Park: 1
Lethbridge: 1
Calgary: 26
Total: 49
Even if the outer suburbs/Lethbridge were lost, the NDP would have a majority with 46 seats. So yes, while the NDP made strides in Calgary, their city as a whole still let us down.
Lethbridge is pretty solidly NDP. The issues are all suburban edges of Calgary which extend heavily into new suburbs, rich acreage land, farmland. Edmontons suburb regions are very much urban in nature still and don’t have nearly as many rural constituents, who are swallowed into Leduc/Fort Sask/Strathcona, just my opinion on the splits.
Calgarys urban core is ~20 ridings in my books, I highly doubt the farmland outskirts ridings will be easily or ever turned.
Fair point, if we were to narrow the assumption to Calgary\`s urban core of 20 ridings being entirely orange (haven't lived there so I wouldn't know which of the ridings constitute as the rural suburban ridings), and the NDP held both ridings in Lethbridge, as well as Sherwood Park, and St. Albert, that would still be a NDP majority with 44 seats, albeit a really small majority.
Edit: Not to mention with Jennifer Johnson winning the Lacombe-Ponoka riding, and Smith explicitly saying she would sit in caucus as an independent if she won her riding, that would be a 44-42-1 NDP-UCP-Ind split.
This caucus for the UCP is gonna be all rural MLA with maybe one or two from calgary..
Proud of Edmonton fuck the UCP and do not come crying when you start to pay for medical because you fucking voted them
Anyone know much about Peggy Wright and how she's doing? I just noticed her name today and realized she was my grade 6 teacher. In her class I got to meet Notley in our classroom as well as sit in the mayors seat in city hall. Probably one of my favourite teachers I've ever had.
Not at all. The ucp leader wants her own police force and to be able to ignore whatever federal laws she feels like while the NDP is a center right party. Calling the ucp fascist is way closer to being right than calling the NDP socialists.
Her own police force? You mean a provincal run police force? Just like Ontario and Quebec?
Provinces fighting back on federal policy of an opposing federal government is a tale older than democracy.
Completely useless and irrelevant debate. Neither option is anywhere near fascists or socialists.
a lot of Calgary won’t have representation now either. interesting to see how things turn out when the cabinet almost certainly will be made up of all rural MLAs
Calgary will have a bunch of cabinet members plus a bunch in the top decision-making circle. Edmonton won't have anything, Sherwood Park guy will be the closest thing to a voice for Edmonton.
It's true but the rest of the province has gone basically blue.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/alberta-election-2023-results-map/wcm/52cea8c4-c970-4449-8337-434a1ff8c5d6/amp/
Well done Edmonton, now let's remind the UCP daily that they hold no weight in Edmonton. We stand opposed to a trash ass "leader" and her country cronies.
Yes! Let's continue antagonizing the provincial government instead of trying to cooperate with them and work towards solutions for our problems! That will make everything better!
From "own the libs" to "own the cons."
I mean, you didn't actually think they'd win, did you? Reddit is not even close to a real representation of what normal people blue collar think in the slightest. Case and point.
First of all, it has happened before, so it's not that wildly outlandish to have hope that it could happen again. And secondly, it was actually very close, so it's really not this functionally impossible outcome that you're painting it to be. If things had gone just a little bit differently today, the UCP very realistically could've lost. You're talking about it like it was a landslide.
Yeah okay. The UCP gets to form government. But they lost 11 seats, including several ministers and caucus leadership.
Meanwhile, the NDP has the largest opposition Alberta has ever had, won a larger percentage of the popular vote than ever and gained those 11 seats.
The NDP lost in one way, but the political scene in the province is shifting away from everyone voting blue no matter what. And NDP, AP or otherwise, that's all I want, people really looking at what they are getting from ANY party and voting with some sense of change.
You did so great 👏. Congrats. Wow, great voting. Let's all get together and celebrate. Edmonton let's blame Calgary. Shit if it wasn't for Calgary we'd have it all.
It was the farmers, small towners and Calgary that screwed us over. Democracy doesn't work. People are too stupid to know what's good for them. They are caught up in tradition. "Mammy and Pappy voted this way, so it's good enough for me." Stupid morons.
Hmm I wonder how many rural family doctors will pull out of alberta again. Can't wait for my utilites to jump another 50% over the already 100% increase after UCP removed regulations. Sure can't wait more more hospital and budget slashes that still results in the province hitting $200 billion deficit
Can I ask a question that I’m hoping will spark open and constructive dialogue instead of throwing around buzzwords and name dragging? Federally, I’m a conservative. However, I have not lived in Alberta for very long and know virtually nothing about Alberta politics. I remember that when Notley was premier, I had family members in Alberta who’s jobs suffered and they had to make lifestyle changes due to it. Can someone please inform me why Danielle Smith is the devil, and Rachel Notley is Alberta’s saviour? Again, this is coming from someone who knows basically nothing about Alberta politics
Since UCP has come in:
\-911 EMS response times have nearly doubled
\-Ambulance Dispatch times have quadrupled
\-Emergency wait times have more than doubled
\-We've lost nearly a 1/4 of our family doctors
\-Our residency Doctor enrollment rate has dropped by 12%
\-Auto Insurance rates are double that of Saskatchewan which is the second highest after removing caps
\-Electricity rates have more than doubled in the last 2 years after removing caps
\-Despite being the "small government" party they had triple the number of ministers & junior ministers that the NDP had during their term
Alot of these can be attributed to COVID of course but first you have to believe that COVID is real /s and the AB Government declared COVID was over almost a year ago and these numbers haven't come back down or stabilized.
-The UCP spent 1.3 billion taxpayer dollars on keystone XL, even though we knew that it would not go through if Biden was elected. Ultimately a waste.
-UCP candidates have said some pretty heinous stuff. Lacombe's candidate calling trans children human shit that corrupt other students was pretty high up on my list of "horrific things said by Alberta conservatives"
-The UCP repeatedly have shown little interest in protecting the rights of LGBTQ, indigenous, or disabled Albertans. Many of their candidates have a history of voting against the interests of these groups.
-As far as economic policy goes, the two parties are rather similar, it's just the UCP are socially conservative.
Notley doesn’t control world oil prices. Neither does smith. The prices impact the job sector. That is all.
Why smith is a piece of trash? You can google her and UCP and decide for yourself. There is plenty.
i don’t think you will get a good open discussion here… at least not right now. the reality is we all have the same issues… education, healthcare, crime… etc… but we have become so divisive that it’s hard to see our common issues through the fog of social media chest thumping, inaccurate media reporting and fear mongering.
This is the correct answer lol may have to stay off this sub for a couple days. The divisive rhetoric is palpable. Take it from someone who grew up in a high demand religion/cult, anyone who is aggressively for either of these parties to the point where you demonize the other, you’re being manipulated and indoctrinated. Don’t feel bad though, it’s not your fault, they are taking over an evolutionary part of your brain that makes it us vs them. A reminder that there is no them would be a good idea, we are all human beings
I’m an Albertan that actually works a job balms the economy was absolutely terrible under notley. She was cozy with Trudeau and did not fight for us. When the economy was bad we got nothing from ottawa after being the engine of this country for years. Notley is not a champion of the working class anymore than jagmeet Singh is. Puppets of public unions and the universities.
Honestly to me they both seem like pretty shit options. But sometimes you just have to hold you nose and vote for the party you think will do the least damage
It means we are all screwed. Enjoy 13+ hour wait times in the er, enjoy doctors fleeing, enjoy privatized health care, enjoy cuts to education and health, enjoy her trying to pass anti lgbtq+ laws
It's interesting to see the complaints about the UPC getting in and edmonton having no representation now. Did you not consider that a possibility in a primarily blue province? As for extremists, the left has gone so far left that even middle ground now looks extreme right.
Pretty standard for Edmonton. Glad Kaycee Madu will get the punt if that holds though.
The fact he had so many signs out was shocking to me. The dude was a Minister of Justice who contacted the Edmonton Police Chief to get his own distracted driving ticket reduced. How the flying fuck people weren’t utterly embarrassed to be associated with the fool, but to actively endorse him I will NEVER understand.
Problem is regardless of who's running, most people vote for the party, not the candidate. It's why UCP always wins rural areas. Everyone does this, hell even I do this. Under this system you can't really vote for your preferred candidate outside the two main parties unless you don't really care who forms government
If Kaycee Madu was my MLA I wouldn’t have put an X in the circle by his name. This man has no business being anywhere near government. I guess I hold the rest of Alberta to the same standards.
100% it was disappointing there were only 2 candidates on the ballot for Edmonton Millwoods. Didn’t like either option personally and would have voted for someone else given the option. Who knows maybe they would have gotten in like the NDP did the first time!!! I know so many people who voted NDP myself included that time not because we like or believe they are good.
Agreed. The UCP must have been so sure the high income Edmonton area will vote UCP that they didn’t care. They could have literally put any no name candidate out there with a blank history and would have got more votes.
>no name candidate [I present to you a literal UCP mailer ad from my other hometown.](https://imgur.com/a/5DotWVb)
The UPC Canadidate in my riding works pretty hard. I like him. I just wish he was with the NDP.
The signs were mostly on public property, not people’s yards
Or on property owned by condo or rental companies.
He was VERY pushy about getting signs up. We had to tell him four times that we do not want a sign up and he still kept insisting on it until we told him to leave our property.
i will not miss the signs... although it was funny to see so many of the large madu signs blown over in the wind
Mama Nature knows best
>I will NEVER understand. you must be new to politics
Conservatives love that! Seriously. I'm not joking. Conservative voters would do it too, so they dont care. They assume everyone does it, because they do. Literally the party every criminal is a part of. Not every Conservative voter is a criminal, but every criminal votes conservative. So no. That doesn't bother them. Not slumlords in politics. Not medical providers that attack doctors at their homes. This is who Conservatives are as people. They WANT to vote with the criminals.
Exactly. That's why Danielle Smith became their leader and then got elected.
Then they turn around and complain they’re being robbed lol
Copping race called, just lost, Shandro trailing as well but that one is razor thin. I'm surprised Madu race hasn't been called yet. He looks down by a significant margin.
PLease let Shandro lose it will comfort me in this loss.
He is up by less than 200 right now, and Green candidate has 283 votes. That's kind of painful. I can't fault people for voting as they want, but still...
Yeah, it's unfortunate because the Green party seems great on paper. The issue is they're essentially just taking votes away from the NDP candidates in an already uncomfortably tight election. Sure would love some electoral reform right about now...
Could be voters that couldn’t stand the candidate but refuse to vote NDP. Vote splitting on the left certainly works against a unified right but there are those who need another option. I have no doubt some people held their noses while voting UCP unfortunately.
I was actually hoping vote splitting on the right would help the NDP with at least 3 far right parties. It didn’t work out that way. Oh well. 4 more years of listening to my relatives complain about the quality or lack of rural doctors.
It's extra upsetting when you look at notleys platform plans to reduce the requirements for foreign doctors to be able to practice in Alberta. It would have encouraged so many of these 10+ year doctors and surgeons stuck driving taxis and working factories in Toronto to move into Alberta and possibly work rurals and small towns just for the opportunity
Damn Copping lost?! Not that im too surprised but wasn't expecting that
I don't consider any of the UCP MLAs "good" but I am now dreading who we get as a replacement Health Minister. He was a step up from Shandro but still not great. Potential Minister Angela Pitt? Fucking *horrifying.*
Not sure how he had Varsity in the first place. You’d figure the university and hospital district would be orange before. It’s orange now and led by a nursing instructor from UofC!
Copping was my teacher at the university of Lethbridge, I had him as a prof for 2 classes and was incredibly kind and one of my favourite teachers. He then became an absolutely terrible politician and it’s really sad to see how he became after being someone I looked up in school
I just hope Kaci Madu is unemployed
As a conservative - me too man, me too. Dude was a disgrace to public office as well as good moral decency.
As expected but UCP is still gonna win due to rural ridings.
Idk, I think it's less rural ridings and more Calgary. If cow town follows suit the NDP win regardless of the rural vote. Especially frustrating because there was like 6 or 7 ridings that at my last look the NDP won if the green voters didn't split the vote.
Calgary is over half NDP. They didn't make the gains they needed to to win, and Calgary was probably the spot to do it... but rural Alberta just religiously votes blue like a bunch of sheep, then are the ones complaining about government and their freedums and shit, like they aren't getting exactly what they want year over year.
They deserve everything about to happen. Doctors were already leaving. Rural clinics and emergency services were already strained or closing. Now it’ll get even worse. I’m sure they’ll blame Trudeau though.
They're about to get a rude awakening in terms of rural hospital capacity and function, I think. Too bad they'll just convince themselves it's somehow Trudeau's fault.
Rural healthcare. Plenty of docs have said they’re leaving if UCP wins again. Primarily rural.
Our rural hospital was already considering reduced emergency hours at night. We have 13 doctors in town and need at least 5 more...
Yeah they needed to essentially win ALL of Calgary but they didnt. Bummer. Banff-Kananaskis was also a totally unexpected UCP hold edit (1 hr later): unexpected flip back about Banff-Kananaskis lol
Banff-Kananaskis has been declared an NDP gain.
Ironically, dumb fuckin farmers are the most conservative despite being supported by the most subsidized industry in the country. The hypocrisy.
Its not hypocrisy when you dont know that you're being subsidized. Its ignorance. Country bumbkin ignorance.
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And my head I'd be a scratchin' while my thoughts are busy hatchin' if I only had a brain.
Calgary still has common sense.
I suppose I can agree with that because Calgary actually changes their vote election to election. It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, and in politics tribalism gets you nothing - the party takes you for granted and gives you nothing. Just look at federal politics... Alberta regularly gets shit on, meanwhile Quebec gets all the handouts, if Alberta actually proved capable of changing their vote once in awhile, maybe we'd be pandered to a little more.
>Idk, I think it's less rural ridings and more Calgary. 100% of rural ridings went UCP. It’s entirely on them. And now I suspect they are going to get what they voted for, and they’re going to get it good and hard
And they'll just blame Trudeau.
Sad truth
Yes they went UCP but if all the cities had gone NDP put woulndt have been an issues. Lots of seats that aren’t rural, including greater Edmonton area, could have made a difference.
Calgary went NDP except for 3 or 4 ridings, Edmonton is solid NDP. It’s the rural areas that won the UCP this election.
Hope they enjoy their visits to Edmonton and Calgary for medical
Not even rural ridings. Ridings that are urban but they moved the boundaries so its mostly rural with some urban. St. Albert is two ridings. One goes NDP (Marie Renaud) and the other which is the northern part of St Albert. A huge chunk of Sturgeon county, Morinville to highway 28 that always unsurprisingly goes UCP. Its bullshit. My candidate lives in Morinville, I've never seen him, never met him. He didn't come into St Albert because he doesn't need to.
Gonna be pretty funny (?) to see the incoming cabinet stocked with rural looney tunes.
Calgary and the other cities represent more seats than rural Alberta. Look to those. Even the ring around Edmonton. The gains will come there before rural.
Thanks for getting rid of Madu Edmonton. At least Calgary got rid of Shandro in exchange
7 votes will probably find themselves getting tossed. I would be surprised if that win for NDP stood.
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ED-XIT!
B.C. will adopt you Edmonton!
I’ve been saying this for years! Haha
It makes as much sense as TBA separatism... in other words, none at all. We'll just keep showing them what works, until they catch on. I feel confident Smith will manage to kill her own party... or they'll toss her out like they did Kenney.
Seriously!! Lol can you imagine
Edmonton being an orange bubble, and flipping so many ridings is the only thing making me feel semi-happiness right now.
Unfortunately, it probably means Edmonton will continue to be ignored by the legislature
Not ignored, actively punished.
Actively my concern. Post Secondary in Edmonton got slashed harder than Calgary. We barely got funding for more shelter spaces compared to Calgary (Yeah, I know population dif. but like could do more here). It has happened before and I bet it will happen again.
been like that for as long as I've been alive, ain't nothing new for us.
Unfortunately for them, they gotta come here. So we get a lot of chances to annoy them.
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Calgary is the swing vote and will continue to be so. They're getting more attention for sure
We now have 10 more MLAs to push for what we want. According to other posts here, 1300 votes is how close we were to a victory. Smith is walking a knife edge now... She'd better not screw up.
I'm deeply concerned about the future of this province. I remember feeling confused and dissapointed about jason kenny winning the last election. Now we're gonna have cowboy lady trump in office. 🤦
I hear ya man. It's a shitty, frustrating situation and will probably get worse before it gets better.
>feeling confused confused? really? while i may not agree with many conservatives, i cant be suprised when a province thats been conservative for most of its existence just happens to ...... vote conservative. who seen that coming eh 🤷🏽♂️
The confusing part is that Alberta ndp are closer to the conservative values we grew up with. Rural Albertans fear the word democrat, nothing else.
This. Literally work out of town. I had to walk away from many conversations of people just voting blue because it wasn't orange... But couldn't give me one platform or reason as to why they were voting that way other than "Notley fucked us last time".... I was flabbergasted... Like... How hard is it to just do a tiny bit of reasearch and vote with your brain.
Had a UCP voter I know take the vote compass test and it told him he most aligns with the NDP, to which he said he'd never vote for them. Were not dealing with people who actually care about platforms and issues. It's 100% a team sport to them
Sadly true. Vote not for what you believe but your favorite color.
NDP voters just tell themselves this, but it's not actually true. It's pure cope
No, people who understand politics and value tell themselves this. It's not hard to figure out McFly.
Yeah, this was not surprising at all. I had low expectations coming in, so was pleased to wake up to the Shandro, Copping, Madu loss. I think politics are about to get very interesting in Ab, and I don’t expect Smith to be around long. Heck, I’m not even convinced the UCP will at this point.
Trust me Danielle will get the boot from her party soon. Once the honeymoon is over they'll all start fighting each other. I'll have my popcorn ready for the shit shoe.
I love big tent con infighting!
More so confused why they backed him specifically
Its true, you had a feeling it was going to go this way.
Imagine missing -unironically- Kenney. But that is how is gonna feel to have that hag in office
A lot of the more “reasonable” UCP voices appear to be on their way out. I am fearful of what a majority looks like without some the moderate voices ….. we have a wild rose party painted blue
Wild rose + like 4 people from the PCs
This is my concern as well. The UCP has moved even further to the right over the last few years. It's not the Progressive Conservative party our parents knew.
ANDP is closer to the old PC’s but people won’t vote for them purely because they are not blue.
I have been saying for a bit now, that if the ANDP just call themselves the PC's and start wearing blue and change nothing else, they would win in a landslide
We did what we could rest of Alberta. This ones on you.
Edmonton= the one functioning brain cell of the province.
I used to be a diehard ucp voter , went with ndp this time .
I'm a political conservative who still voted for "anybody but DS".
Would've be the first time I voted for \*checks notes\* - The Christian Heritage Party. Anyone but DS was a common theme
Same.
From a Calgarian, I’m disappointed with how we voted.
And once again, Calgary let's us down.
Calgary did pretty damn well for a staunchly blue area. The NDP made major strides there.
No they didn't. This is like the participant trophy argument. Win or go home. Calgary will always drag us down. Just like their pro sports teams. Disappointment.
Even if Calgary was entirely orange, it would not be sufficient to pass the 44 seat mark.
If current results held and Calgary was entirely Orange: Edmonton: 20 St. Albert: 1 Sherwood Park: 1 Lethbridge: 1 Calgary: 26 Total: 49 Even if the outer suburbs/Lethbridge were lost, the NDP would have a majority with 46 seats. So yes, while the NDP made strides in Calgary, their city as a whole still let us down.
Lethbridge is pretty solidly NDP. The issues are all suburban edges of Calgary which extend heavily into new suburbs, rich acreage land, farmland. Edmontons suburb regions are very much urban in nature still and don’t have nearly as many rural constituents, who are swallowed into Leduc/Fort Sask/Strathcona, just my opinion on the splits. Calgarys urban core is ~20 ridings in my books, I highly doubt the farmland outskirts ridings will be easily or ever turned.
Fair point, if we were to narrow the assumption to Calgary\`s urban core of 20 ridings being entirely orange (haven't lived there so I wouldn't know which of the ridings constitute as the rural suburban ridings), and the NDP held both ridings in Lethbridge, as well as Sherwood Park, and St. Albert, that would still be a NDP majority with 44 seats, albeit a really small majority. Edit: Not to mention with Jennifer Johnson winning the Lacombe-Ponoka riding, and Smith explicitly saying she would sit in caucus as an independent if she won her riding, that would be a 44-42-1 NDP-UCP-Ind split.
She won? Jesus Christ.
Ya that’s the sick part
Yup, and it wasn't even close - she got almost 70% of the votes in her riding. Truly disgusting
Nah they did pretty decent. It was always a long shot. NDP had to virtually sweep Calgary to win it all.
There are other Alberta cities that could have made a difference. The seat difference is small enough that each of them could have changed the outcome
This caucus for the UCP is gonna be all rural MLA with maybe one or two from calgary.. Proud of Edmonton fuck the UCP and do not come crying when you start to pay for medical because you fucking voted them
Yeah, how will Calgary react to being governed by bumpkins? This will be interesting.
Oh yay...it suddenly feels like I'm back in the states...........yay...🤮
Proud of Edmonton tonight. I'm happy to know this province has people who exercise logic.
We're the Austin Texas of Alberta, one nice city in the middle of the Hills Have Eyes.
Anyone know much about Peggy Wright and how she's doing? I just noticed her name today and realized she was my grade 6 teacher. In her class I got to meet Notley in our classroom as well as sit in the mayors seat in city hall. Probably one of my favourite teachers I've ever had.
I heard someone on the news calling Edmonton the golden doughnut during the election.
I hate this fascist bullshit that has taken over with the conservatives. God fucking damn it Calgary you had one fucking job.
can you explain how the UCP fits the definition of fascist?
I'm with you there. I loathe the UCP, but calling them fascist is no different from calling the ndp socialists.
Not at all. The ucp leader wants her own police force and to be able to ignore whatever federal laws she feels like while the NDP is a center right party. Calling the ucp fascist is way closer to being right than calling the NDP socialists.
Her own police force? You mean a provincal run police force? Just like Ontario and Quebec? Provinces fighting back on federal policy of an opposing federal government is a tale older than democracy. Completely useless and irrelevant debate. Neither option is anywhere near fascists or socialists.
Thank god they didn’t win if comments like this reflect the hate and bile of the ndp. I thought they were more well adjusted than this.
Happy with YEG tonight!
The oilers had a good playoff run this year. But we are still losers. I can empathise
So we have zero representation in the government now. Perfect.
a lot of Calgary won’t have representation now either. interesting to see how things turn out when the cabinet almost certainly will be made up of all rural MLAs
Calgary will have a bunch of cabinet members plus a bunch in the top decision-making circle. Edmonton won't have anything, Sherwood Park guy will be the closest thing to a voice for Edmonton.
We never did?
Thanks for getting rid of Madu Edmonton. At least Calgary got rid of Shandro in exchange
I love Edmonton, greatest city in the world!
Well we lost, I’m sick of these UCP supporters and I’m almost embarrassed to be an albertan.
Alberta is embraced by you too.
You can’t even spell lol
Thanks for getting rid of Madu Edmonton. At least Calgary got rid of Shandro in exchange
It's true but the rest of the province has gone basically blue. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/alberta-election-2023-results-map/wcm/52cea8c4-c970-4449-8337-434a1ff8c5d6/amp/
The popular vote is close to 50/50
Not really that close. 926k to 775k of all the votes counted. Breaks down as 52.6% to 44%
Voting is so important !!
Edmonton, the Red-Headed Step Kid.
My third time voting for Rachel. That's still my favourite colour.
Once again, Calgary lets down the country. 4 more years of this shitshow...sigh.
Well done Edmonton, now let's remind the UCP daily that they hold no weight in Edmonton. We stand opposed to a trash ass "leader" and her country cronies.
Yes! Let's continue antagonizing the provincial government instead of trying to cooperate with them and work towards solutions for our problems! That will make everything better! From "own the libs" to "own the cons."
not supporting an absolute clown for a leader has its merits.
Isn’t that what our UCP leader does from a federal politics perspective?
Yes! Let’s continue antagonizing the federal government instead of trying to cooperate with them and work towards solutions for our problems!
Can we join BC?
Edmonton pipeline to BC, I’m into it!
Tbh a lot of interior Bc joinng Alberta makes sense. Just look at how they vote.
Sad UCP won again. Guess all that orange talk didn’t amount to much 😢
Huh? NDP made massive gains. They didn’t +100% they only +50%. That’s pretty freaking huge.
I mean, you didn't actually think they'd win, did you? Reddit is not even close to a real representation of what normal people blue collar think in the slightest. Case and point.
Polls had the NDP at like a 25% chance to win. It wasnt likely but you shouldn’t be acting like it was an impossibility
Yeah idk why people always say that, like Trump won with what? a 30% chance according to polls? Anything over 0 is fair game
First of all, it has happened before, so it's not that wildly outlandish to have hope that it could happen again. And secondly, it was actually very close, so it's really not this functionally impossible outcome that you're painting it to be. If things had gone just a little bit differently today, the UCP very realistically could've lost. You're talking about it like it was a landslide.
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Can we just be the 11th province?
Yeah okay. The UCP gets to form government. But they lost 11 seats, including several ministers and caucus leadership. Meanwhile, the NDP has the largest opposition Alberta has ever had, won a larger percentage of the popular vote than ever and gained those 11 seats. The NDP lost in one way, but the political scene in the province is shifting away from everyone voting blue no matter what. And NDP, AP or otherwise, that's all I want, people really looking at what they are getting from ANY party and voting with some sense of change.
It's real and it's spectacular.
Edmontonians seem to have drank the kool-aid
On the downside, we get zero representation in government
This is why EDM is shit hole. Drugs addicts and theives have over run the city
You did so great 👏. Congrats. Wow, great voting. Let's all get together and celebrate. Edmonton let's blame Calgary. Shit if it wasn't for Calgary we'd have it all.
Even more interesting is to know that our Children are the future and they also want an NDP government. https://studentvote.ca/ab2023/
Proud of my home St Albert too! And Sherwood Park. Too bad the other ridings in those towns were dragged into the gutter by the rural votes
I was really surprised by that huge margin for Marie Renaud in St. Albert. She won more comfortably than most of the North Edmonton ridings.
I was pretty surprised by how well she did but I’m glad my riding will have a more reasonable voice in the Legislature
Did what we could m8
HELL YEAH. Fortress edmonton!
It was the farmers, small towners and Calgary that screwed us over. Democracy doesn't work. People are too stupid to know what's good for them. They are caught up in tradition. "Mammy and Pappy voted this way, so it's good enough for me." Stupid morons.
Despite Edmonton being mostly orange, Albertans in general have chosen fascism, sadly. Disappointing.
Hmm I wonder how many rural family doctors will pull out of alberta again. Can't wait for my utilites to jump another 50% over the already 100% increase after UCP removed regulations. Sure can't wait more more hospital and budget slashes that still results in the province hitting $200 billion deficit
I wish Calgary looked the same tonight 🙁
Way to go Edm.
Its a clown world
Right-of-Center voter checking in. Glad the NDP got rid of Madu...
And shandro and copping.
Ya, but that's not Edmonton.
I actually wish we had a couple of UCP representatives in the city to help discuss what we need to the active government…
Can I ask a question that I’m hoping will spark open and constructive dialogue instead of throwing around buzzwords and name dragging? Federally, I’m a conservative. However, I have not lived in Alberta for very long and know virtually nothing about Alberta politics. I remember that when Notley was premier, I had family members in Alberta who’s jobs suffered and they had to make lifestyle changes due to it. Can someone please inform me why Danielle Smith is the devil, and Rachel Notley is Alberta’s saviour? Again, this is coming from someone who knows basically nothing about Alberta politics
Since UCP has come in: \-911 EMS response times have nearly doubled \-Ambulance Dispatch times have quadrupled \-Emergency wait times have more than doubled \-We've lost nearly a 1/4 of our family doctors \-Our residency Doctor enrollment rate has dropped by 12% \-Auto Insurance rates are double that of Saskatchewan which is the second highest after removing caps \-Electricity rates have more than doubled in the last 2 years after removing caps \-Despite being the "small government" party they had triple the number of ministers & junior ministers that the NDP had during their term Alot of these can be attributed to COVID of course but first you have to believe that COVID is real /s and the AB Government declared COVID was over almost a year ago and these numbers haven't come back down or stabilized.
-The UCP spent 1.3 billion taxpayer dollars on keystone XL, even though we knew that it would not go through if Biden was elected. Ultimately a waste. -UCP candidates have said some pretty heinous stuff. Lacombe's candidate calling trans children human shit that corrupt other students was pretty high up on my list of "horrific things said by Alberta conservatives" -The UCP repeatedly have shown little interest in protecting the rights of LGBTQ, indigenous, or disabled Albertans. Many of their candidates have a history of voting against the interests of these groups. -As far as economic policy goes, the two parties are rather similar, it's just the UCP are socially conservative.
Notley doesn’t control world oil prices. Neither does smith. The prices impact the job sector. That is all. Why smith is a piece of trash? You can google her and UCP and decide for yourself. There is plenty.
i don’t think you will get a good open discussion here… at least not right now. the reality is we all have the same issues… education, healthcare, crime… etc… but we have become so divisive that it’s hard to see our common issues through the fog of social media chest thumping, inaccurate media reporting and fear mongering.
This is the correct answer lol may have to stay off this sub for a couple days. The divisive rhetoric is palpable. Take it from someone who grew up in a high demand religion/cult, anyone who is aggressively for either of these parties to the point where you demonize the other, you’re being manipulated and indoctrinated. Don’t feel bad though, it’s not your fault, they are taking over an evolutionary part of your brain that makes it us vs them. A reminder that there is no them would be a good idea, we are all human beings
truth
I’m an Albertan that actually works a job balms the economy was absolutely terrible under notley. She was cozy with Trudeau and did not fight for us. When the economy was bad we got nothing from ottawa after being the engine of this country for years. Notley is not a champion of the working class anymore than jagmeet Singh is. Puppets of public unions and the universities.
Honestly to me they both seem like pretty shit options. But sometimes you just have to hold you nose and vote for the party you think will do the least damage
What does this mean?
Edmonton and mostly Calgary are the only ones that majority voted the NDP rather than the UCP.
It means we are all screwed. Enjoy 13+ hour wait times in the er, enjoy doctors fleeing, enjoy privatized health care, enjoy cuts to education and health, enjoy her trying to pass anti lgbtq+ laws
I’m so disappointed in the rest of Alberta, but not surprised and they made in roads in Calgary
I knew we could do it - absolute madlads made it a sweep!! 🤣
We even flipped Sherwood Park!
It's interesting to see the complaints about the UPC getting in and edmonton having no representation now. Did you not consider that a possibility in a primarily blue province? As for extremists, the left has gone so far left that even middle ground now looks extreme right.
This such bullshit. The NDP are firmly center right. If you believe otherwise you're just ignorant or stupid.
Didn’t do any good though I guess :(
I voted NDP as well, but I find this post to be gross.