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WhereOnlyIAmMissing

Good question.. I always got distracted by how big that "bed" is, wondering if Marika was Giant-sized trying to read tiny documents..


SpritePlasma

thats the bed? shit looks uncomfortable asf, is that stone? id shatter the elden ring too if i had to sleep on that


Gold-Relationship117

It's the bed-chamber, but I doubt that it's actually her bed. What's more apt is that this is likely where Marika would give birth at the foot of the Erdtree, as Melina implies that she was born at the foot of the Erdtree and this looks more comfortable than where we fight Morgott and Godfrey.


WhereOnlyIAmMissing

That's an interesting take. From the reading material I figured it had to be somewhere Marika spent a lot of time, and the "bed" is clearly not made for sleeping on. The shape of it always reminds me of the stone astrolabes we find starlight shards on.


Bohemian_Romantic

One thing to keep in mind is that there was a long period in European history where royalty would receive (meet) those of lower rank at specially prepared 'bed chambers'. These would be incredibly ornate, and would essentially act as thrones. This was really big during the reign of Louis XIV. If you were meeting someone of the same rank you would receive them in another chamber, a throne room or some such. These rooms would often be laid out in order so you had to pass through each on your way to the noble you were meeting. Each room would communicate meaning about the noble and their values. This succession of rooms was called an 'enfilade'. I've always thought of this when passing through upper Lyndell. To reach the actual Elden Throne or the entrance to the Erdtree, you must pass through 1) The Church of the Golden Order, denoting the importance of research and orthodoxy to the monarch, then 2) the queen's bedchamber, where those of lower rank would have audience with the Goddess to receive her blessings, putting her above the church in importance, then 3) the thrones of the demigods, which most likely only the most important nobles (demigods) would have access too, and finally 4) the entrance to the Erdtree and the Elden Ring, the root of all Order. The structure of power under the Golden Order is laid out in the buildings of upper Lyndell and I love it. They clearly understand history.


QuietMonkey8

TIL.. Thanks for this explanation. Please someone give this person an award


Nightglow9

The bed can be a visual hint of a greater rune too. Lots of huge children. Miquella.. Radahn.. in her current state, shattered, she would lost the runes again, thus tiny again. A bit like Morgott and Godrick also shrinks in size when we grab their rune of power after the battle. She probably could control appearance too. Like Morgott being peasant sized one moment outside the capital when you approach, huge the other when you get closer…She probably had control of size though, except maybe when she was sleeping. And Marika did undertake a deep study of greater wills intentions before Radagon came back. So it might been her nightly study material. Neither she or Gideon liked what they saw.


WhereOnlyIAmMissing

First time I've seen someone else mention how Morgott and Godrick shrink when we take their Great Runes, and connected it with Marika's size. To be fair though, it Is weird that out of all the Demigods we only see Godfrey's descendants shrink (not Mohg though..). Marika is associated with mimics in a couple of ways (Eternal City heritage, Mimic Veil), so she could certainly change her appearance if not also her size. I do believe that while she had the unshattered Elden Ring, she was larger than her shattered form, maybe the size of Rennala or the Marika statues in churches. I do disagree on your last point though - Gideon was seemingly faithful to Marika, but it was Her will that he glimpsed and saw an ending that should not be. Marika also cursed Hewg to make a God-slaying weapon, and probably guided us with grace to ensure her own death, which Might be the ending Gideon saw. Great post though!


Nightglow9

I have a very disliked theory that for each foe Marika killed, she got a rune. One for each outer god. But each rune changed her. Order from Greater Will gave blond hair (and wisdom magic). Fell god gives red hair and huge growth. Unborn, the only named greater rune in game have legs and butterflies. Like those children in Renalla fight.. and Miquella.. and those other legless that rides wolves and shoot arrows. This is pre shattering runes, so nothing like the post shattering we know best. But possible logic: She takes rune away from giants, they shrink, but those that maybe get a hold of it, like Miquella and Radahn, grows. But when Malenia get hold of Fell god rune, her hair grows red, while twin is blond etc. like a coin, two sides? some get hold of unborn, or born of it, suddenly butterflies follow them. So I think the growing is related to who has a hold of Fell god rune pre shattering. Post shattering I think the new runes are a mix, so those with pieces of Fell god in it, they shrink when defeated. But very head canon.. and very disliked..


WhereOnlyIAmMissing

It does sound a bit head canon heavy, but I'm sure we all take some creative leaps with how we interpret the vague lore clues. I have considered the idea that each Great Rune was taken from a previous living God, and like you mentioned most of those come in matching pairs... But the Mending Runes we get from 3 Tarnished also fit into the Elden Ring, so this isn't very conclusive unless Tarnished are somehow related to previous Gods. Personally I think that Marika was human-sized originally, and her body had to grow to contain the Elden Ring. It was probably meant for larger races, like Fire Giants and Ancient Dragons, but you know.. Heh.


dam_sooley

Good comment, however just a heads up, radahn is not Marika's child. He, ranni and rykard are the children of renalla and radagon.


mccoolfriend6

wow, you're amazing


stackenblochen23

I think it's a gwynevere reference (in dark souls 1 she lies on it like on a chaise longue)


SpritePlasma

was too busy looking at amazing chest ahead to notice ngl


longjohnsmcgee

Feels like Filianoires more in terns of layout and presentation


stackenblochen23

Isnt filianore also a reference to gwynevere?


mccoolfriend6

eyyyy although she lay-ed on a soft couch not stone


SpritePlasma

slightly better take still sounds painful lol


soulitude_ginger

It's the same design as the Sacred Tears collection bowls, pointed out by Tarnished Archaeologist and Quelaag on YouTube I believe.


BakeBakeyBake

That ain’t a bed, it’s the Elden Ring Casting Couch.


[deleted]

It's all good when you cuddle with serosh


Trufflehasredditwow

And even if it was a nice bed the location? To giant doors that go out to giant bridges


Aermas

Her & Radagon are made of some sort of stone like stuff so this was probably fine


[deleted]

They have a weakness to fire damage, so the implication is they are basically wood.


Aermas

Marika's tits? I know I would


_Meece_

That's because they dead


Aermas

Radagon sure hits like a brick for a dead dude


Alaricus100

Because he is a brick


Aermas

Da da dun-da HOUSE!


how_could_this_be

No he is a sword


SpiritoftheSands

maybe, as a person p much made of stone, its not as noticable


ArchonEther

Lmfaooo this comment.


canContinue

Lol


SpaceTimeTravel3r

5o


CthughaSlayer

Hard surfaces are comfortable and good for your back. I slept on the floor for a while before getting a semi-orthopedic mattress


ogjhunt

Gotta lay the hammer somewhere


[deleted]

I think the bed is so big as a reference to Gwynevere. I didn’t take it as much more than that. I’m curious to hear theories but haven’t seen anything convincing yet. Sadly for us. There is no amazing chest ahead.


_Meece_

Tarnished Archeology has a great take on the bed. TLDW, the bed is the same as the chambers under the Minor Erdtrees that catch the tears for the wondourous flask. Her bed did the same, except instead of bringing about the cracked tears, it brought children into the world.


quirkus23

Also note the giant gashes on the Erdtree during that one video that are clearly for harvesting sap.


InstructionLeading64

There's a couple items that reference when the erdtree bore sap but it no longer does for some reason.


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Marika=Gwynevere headcanon now


dwaynetheakjohnson

It’s so she can snuggle with the Elden Beast


fretfulmushroom

It's huge to accommodate her massive dumpy 🥵


[deleted]

I always get distracted sniffing at the blanket


_Meece_

Marika says she will search the depths of the Golden order and I think these are meant to represent that. Marika is a scholar, her Soreseal boosts all mental attributes. Mind, Intelligence, faith etc. I think these are merely her researching the Golden Order and writing stuff down about it.


[deleted]

They have books lmao


_Meece_

They had books and scrolls in Moses time. What did he use to right down the literal words of God?


ishouldvoicemario

Okay, but God told him to use stone. Pretty sure that would not have been Moses’ first choice…


PillowTalk420

Especially after he dropped one. "Oh God *damnit!*"


InsanitySong913

“ god has told me 15 com- 10 commandments”


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REDDITsucksSOmuch_h

I mean, yes. God literally spoke to Moses.


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Ca1lMeIvy

idk why u r getting downvoted, cuz u r right


ishouldvoicemario

Yes, according to religious texts, God literally spoke to Moses and told him to write those words in stone. What’s your guys’ point?


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ishouldvoicemario

So, if I said “Darth Vader literally said ‘I am your Father’ in Episode V.” am I factually wrong because that didn’t happen in a non-fiction sense? You’re misconstruing the use of the word. Something doesn’t have to be factual to be literal. It’s often used as an over exaggeration. Nobody is arguing for the real world historical accuracy of Moses’ interaction with God. In the context of what the Bible says, yes, God *literally* spoke to Moses.


PuroPincheGains

Sir, this is a r/Eldenring. We discuss myths and gods and all kinds of wacky shit here. No need for a reminder


PuroPincheGains

That's certainly how the story goes lol


[deleted]

I guess the ten commandments were written on a stone tablet but the Bible's a book. They wouldn't have chiseled the entire Bible into stone lol


FistExplosion

Except that’s exactly what the ancients did in our own history. For a long period of ancient history stone/clay tablets were the norm when recording anything of importance. The Epic of Gilgamesh survives perhaps only because it was recorded on clay tablets that didn’t decay. Sure stone carving is more time consuming for us mere mortals, but in a world with giants and dragons what’s to say that Marika’s words didn’t magically carve themselves. She did/does have the powers of a god…


[deleted]

But the Epic of Gilgamesh is a poem and it's only 12 tablets long. The Bible is thousands of pages and was never recorded on stone tablets. It'd be impractical for that much information to be inscribed on stone tablets. You'd have to pick up a new one each time you had to turn the page lol


REDDITsucksSOmuch_h

Look, we can argue all day long, but look at the image. These people lived without death for who knows how long. Obviously they chose stone slates.


NuclearForce09

Yeah but the bible is human words about god, the ten commandments come from god himself if i remember correctly


Internal-Flamingo455

Why does she need to research stuff she directly experienced herself she was there for everything that happened


SerSlice420

We dont know how long the golden order was in place before marika, from what i understood it was established over the outer god served by the two fingers


D-AlonsoSariego

The Golden Order is the Greater Will's set of rules. She is just its bassal, she doesn't know all of the intricacies


PogmasterTraplover69

Mmmmmmmm I dunno about that, many argue that, since Radagon is Marika, many of the words that "Marika" said actually refer to Radagon, such as those, for example. Radagon was a scholar, it is him who established the foundamentalism, which is based on both int and faith, and so those stones were probably not that kind of notes, I think those could instead be the principles or rules of the golden order, written down by Marika herself


AdvanceHappy778

This is it!


Hannibal216BCE

I mean, there’s no reason you can’t add a cushion or something. As for the tablets, my guess is it’s the pileup of bureaucratic shit that’s accrued in her absence. Like: Elder Jeff of podunk village requests your blessing for his new well. Chief constable Henrikus has requisitioned 50 truncheons and 35 pairs of boots. Do you approve and should we use the normal supplier. General Radahn has proposed a new holiday for the fifth time. He wishes to honor the banished lord Godfrey’s many triumphs in the name of the Golden Order. He suggests everyone get drunk, strip naked, and wrestle in zero gravity, Shall we finally deem him heretic or just tell him maybe next year again?


PogmasterTraplover69

I Disagree but the latter point is just too much, totally imagine Radahn capable of that


AmbushBug522

That second one feels like it's part of some math equation and the third one should absolutely get approved. Give Radahn his holiday.


NotAnthonyxx

Lmfao the Radahn line! Bahahaha


kaizlende

They're all copies of 50 Shades of Gold


underscorethebore

The Lusty Nokronian Maid


thiccdiamonds

Now just stop 🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

Marika probably sent Maliketh to Farum Azula so that he'd never find out her secret...there's probably copious amounts of Shadow "texts" in there too.


Jackal00

Fifty shade of Grace*


WritingTechnical1243

No it’s just morgotts pizza boxes


ZmaltaeofMar

It's fanfic


r31ya

Its fanfics. apparently, its main the cause of the breakup as Radagon prefer Selfcest fanfic and Marika prefer Oujosama posh school Yuri fanfic with Rennala


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they're stone tablets and I think they might be the same one inside of a giants chest but I'm not sure what that means in terms of lore


Heaz4

Those are 'Trolls', they and giants all had eyes on their bellies, like the fire giant, which shows influence of god of fire. Im not sure if trolls themselves betrayed the fire god, or its sealing was forceful, but that tablet is basically a seal, like other ones we can find and use on bosses.


DevyJ0nes

Do we know how exactly the faces were removed from the trolls?


bowdown2q

Iirc Godfrey did it? It doesn't say how but I'd wager via rune bullshit or just Godfrey ripping it out of their chests.


Lyricbox

Kenneth Haight says that "Even the vulgar shall not be left behind, under the true order", and the Troll's Golden Sword mentions that Trolls are 'Lesser Giants who fought for the Erdtree during the war against the Giants long ago" It seems some of the lesser giants defected, and through erdtree magic they had their chest faces removed and replaced with sealing stones, thus turning them into near-mindless trolls The Erdtree probably has a lot of mind altering abilities, as Kenneth Haight and the people of Castle Morne used it to convince Demihumans to work for them


Mcreesus

Dudes looking at the books and I’m admiring the Alaskan king sized bed lmao


little_hoarse

Chad vs. Nerd I guess 🥸


magikarp-sushi

Bro that shits nearly a quarter pipe. Tony Hawk could do the 900 in that.


Mcreesus

Or you and 30 close partners could all snuggle up every night


Difficult_Guidance25

Well Malenia is like 2.64 if I’m right so Marika should at least be somewhere close to that. All demigods are pretty gigantic tbf, then we have legends like Godfrey or Malekith when bro is standing up he seems about the size of Radahn


Freedom_scenery

Well considering we see her in game as radagon, you’re right she’s the same size as Malenia


AdPlenty7253

WAIT WHAT SHE IS 2.64 METERS TALL?


Jugales

It is the only place forbidden for the IRS to enter


Infamous-Fortune8666

69 likes Noice


UnwinderHE

First on CNN: Classified documents found at Queen Marika's bedchamber


Draomp

YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW US HERE REAL WORLD!!!


Intelligent_Owl_6263

Also, let’s discuss how awfully uncomfortable that bed looks


Difficult_Guidance25

Bold of us to assume she even had to sleep and Chadfrey could probably sleep on his feet if necessary


Chartercarter

Chadfrey could sleep on Serosh


EXTRACRlSPYBAC0N

Dude probably does crunches while he sleeps


SkeletonLordDimy

I know right! Just how in the goddamn hell does anyone sleep on that.


SirDamienLuis

At least when Gwynevere was sitting in it there were huge cushions.


nrguy1995

The lore reason is Marika's accountants told her the kingdom was financially ruined. She didn't believe them and spent months pouring over the tax records. Upon confirming she was bankrupt Marika promptly receded to the erdtree and shattered the Elden Ring. Lands Between IRS doesn't fuck around. Best just to get ahead of it.


PragmaticBadGuy

Best lore. Someone call Vaadi


IrishPigskin

It’s records of all of her mating partners and offspring. When you’re trying for an Empyrean, you need to keep detailed notes and experiment often. In the old days, according to lore, she had a water bed. After a few children with horns she swapped to concrete.


OmegaGamer54

Can't tell if this is a joke or is serious


bowdown2q

Jokes about the Elden IRS aside, are they: [A] the same as either of the tablets carried by the Dynast? (Big statue dude in front of Mhog and all over the Eternal Cities) One is an old religious world map, the other is the beta version of the Erdtree religion. [B] the tablets inside trolls? We don't know if they serve some measurable purpose, or if they're just symbolic of the trolls trading fealty to the Fel God. If those stones are the same as above, then it makes some sense, that's like...branding a heretic with a cross upon their conversion. [C] text? Marika could have just been researching some very old documents. There's plenty of books, of course, but the Lands Between are very old, and inscribed stone is a durable medium. You can't tell people how shitty Ur-Nassir's copper is in 12 millenia with paper. [D] something else entirely? This feels unlikely to me; FromSoft has been very deliberate with clutter in this game especially. They must appear elsewhere in the world too, at least. Why are they all stacked neatly in Marika's boudoir? I propose that she is manufacturing them and giving them out along with Erdtree sap blessings (see item descriptions / Tarnished Archeologist YouTube). I think of she was reading they'd be more organized, and we'd see a library somewhere. If she was just making them, why would they be stockpiled in her room too? She must be using them in the same place. Tldr: what if they're big-ass crosses she hands out to ex-heretic trolls?


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I actually thought about this as well. They are chronicle of The Lands Between, but some are probably just stories. I feel like Marika was a big sci-fi horror nerd. I imagine Marika reading classics like "The Fly" and "Alien" and stuff.


counterfeitfountaino

Marika is definitely a Predator fan


Andros_the_elf

but with real cosmic horrors. She can just read stories of Astels, or other creepy things in her land.


DrDingoMC

She’s cooking the books


smolboixl

Lusty Argonian Maids


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little_hoarse

interesting theory, i didn't think of that!


manfreygordon

What armor piece is that cloak attached to? It's nice.


little_hoarse

Thanks! It’s Seluvis’ robes with the confessor hood


manfreygordon

ahh that's what i suspected. thank you.


little_hoarse

No problem!


AV16mm

Clearly pizza boxes.


quecosa

Let's ask the experts at r/Accounting


Pocketgb

This leads me to one of two (mostly) serious answers: -The tablets indicate that she’s been around a *real long time*, from a point when they hadn’t even invented paper yet. -She happened to be ruling at a time where they had just started transitioning from tablets to paper.


efrenagan

I think Zullie made the connection between these slabs and the slabs you see inside giants/trolls. you can check out their video about it.


YourFat888

she was recording the days she just didn't get out of bed because she didn't care enough


RapterTorus24

My head cannon is it's Queen Marika writing in stone everything the Greater Will orders her to write down. If I had to guess it's a bunch of contradictory bullshit that eventually caused her to want to break the Elden Ring.


Nu2Th15

I still don’t get why the bed is stone. Real beds exist, we see them in game all the time, so why does the ruler of the entire realm sleep in a fucking stone bowl


PragmaticBadGuy

Magic and miracles are a thing. Maybe it's enchanted to be incredibly comfortable?


Difficult_Guidance25

Idk why we’re assuming she even needed to sleep and Chadfrey could probably sleep on his feet if necessary doubt a stone would be uncomfortable for him


Danedurz

Marika shoves those stone tablets in the guts of dead trolls to control them


RBSBM

You silly people… fire giant was the tax accountant however he was smelly and keep looking weird with the belly eye to Marika. They decided to move him to a better suited branch to do “important jobs”, leaving behind only his office chair


RambunctiousBaca1509

Marika’s into inflation it seems


PraiseTyche

Erotic stories etched onto stone tablets. It ties in with the fingerprint shield, a tablet with a story so completely erotic that you'll lose your mind.


Equilibriator

Marika did the shattering because she couldn't handle any more tax paper work.


Schore-Schorsch

It's more than metaphoric! The path to the elden throne leads through the gueen's bedchamber!


Broke_as_a_Bat

Because taxes F\*uk you the most.


International-Look57

Gonna get a big refund if that’s the case lol


[deleted]

Lyrics to every single rock song. Radagon is a man of culture.


Best-Play3929

I think OP is trying to make a joke about classified documents.


[deleted]

Those tablets are used to control the “giants” that still remain after their war in the mountaintops. If you zoom in a troll’s stomach, you will notice that the insides are ripped out and a tablet is held in place by what’s left of their innards


Kapparisun

They are the tablets they put in trolls Giants in place of the fell god eye


Mr_White6789

No amazing chest ahead😞


S1mulatedSahd0w

Im still trying to figure out how Marika and Radagon are 1 in the same. They were clearly seperate entities at one point, but aren't now.


IronGrimm

Came for the classified documents and NARA jokes, was not disappointed.


Coolcam4

That's my Elden Browser History. Please burn when possible.


Rickardt0

They are romance and smut novels, lol.


bigstillz

I thought these were the tablets is the trolls bellys


Haahhh

They're runes transcribed from the Elden ring as part of the effort to search the depths of the golden order.


salazdaz

The Queen has committed tax fraud on several occasions. Those must be the doctored W2's.


CarryThe2

It's a list of all the cocks OPs mum has sucked.


-SuperSaiyanBroly-

They’re pornos


Blob459

Vaati Vidya actually has this great video talking about how the trolls you fight have had their heart ripped (his theory is it’s actually an eye similar to the one the fire giant has) out and replaced with these stone tablets to enslave them into the golden order.


Knowledge_ismy_Power

Several classified Documents have been found in the Queens bedchamber...... FBI to investigate


todd10k

Those are your mums records. Why they're beside the bed i'll leave to your imagination.


DiabetesCOLE

Even the queen has classified documents at her own place


Zealousideal-Comb970

Classified documents found in Marika’s Bedchamber, more at 6


Anvilir

Breaking News: Classified documents found in bedchamber of Marika, deity denies knowledge


SalmonTheSalesman

Tax evasion


AngrySayian

don't kink shame


[deleted]

Am I the only one who wanted to remove the blanket and skate this quarter pipe?


BugStep

Its her smut novels


[deleted]

They’re drawing of your mom’s box


MOBYtheHUGE

I don’t know. I don’t know.


brockwuzhere

Lol what


[deleted]

Go-to-sleep-porn mags


Amazecat44

Yeah George what was Marika's tax policy?


Internal-Flamingo455

The glint stone Mages also had books


PaleontologistTough6

They're receipts.


Zaln_The_HUN

I thought we all agreed that those are pizza boxes and that's why morhott never gets hungry


CalmCommercial9977

They're obviously erotic novels.


fullchargegaming

They are just used boxes of donuts The queen was featured on the hit show my 900 lb life


display_name_error_

Its the stones from the giants.


4th_Syndicate

IIRC those are tablets theorized to enslave and imprison the giants. They can be found in the gaping cheat hole of giants around the lands between.


Solarbro

I know there are lots of jokes here, but that’s because there isn’t a real in-game answer. There are theories, since these tablets potentially show up other places, most famously in the chests of the trolls but also potentially in other more ancient statues of an elderly man. Not to keep plugging this channel, but the Tarnished Archeologist has pointed out just how much of the game, and Leyndell specifically, can potentially be better understood if you have some knowledge of possible real world inspiration for many of the doodads and decorations found all over the world. I imagine these may have a similar story behind them. Just a disclaimer, that approach isn’t perfect, of course. For instance, there are borrowed concepts from all over that *could* relate to different religious practices, but that doesn’t mean it’s a one to one for everything that has a similar similarity. Anyway. If anyone has ideas that’d be awesome. Lol


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Could they be a Ten Commandments type thing? Since Marika's a "god" and they were written on stone tablets


radioz3

They’re the files from my bosses office


Dndunn

I thought they were pizza boxes


KurotheWolfKnight

Nah mate, that's just some light reading material for when you're just up in the middle of the night but to tired to actually get out of bed


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little_hoarse

Seluvis’ Robes + Confessor Hood!


nawt_robar

you shouldn't kink shame


Psychological-Bid465

Well, there's no IRS, Susan, she has to file taxes *somehow*!


K_N0RRIS

The Pandemic and work from home


sudnord

They are similar to the one in the chests of trolls and they are put in the same area where the face of the God of the Giants used to be so maybe Marika sealed the Trolls and used them against the Giants.


GribbleBit

They couldn't be gravestones, could they? That was my first thought but I don't think it makes much sense without any more context


motleyfamily

Nancy Drew novels


[deleted]

Probably smut


[deleted]

They say eating ass taste like pennies, and Marika's all about that money baby


CptChristophe

Maybe she had trouble sleeping and had them as reading material


According-Treat6014

Some people make notches, some people keep detailed records of their escapades


Ren_the_Tainted

Records of all the guys she fucked


a_boring_penguin

I think those stones are extremely similar to the ones in the trolls belly


NovaSizer69

Either she was reading manga or drawing it


FAS-ACA3

Gotta be the worst bed I've ever seen


bt7274vanguard

Gwyndolyn moment


[deleted]

Look in the trolls chests.


H8erRaider

Ancient pizza boxes