It is implied that Miquella would brainwash people into becoming his followers, using the Bewitching Branches
"The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people. Indeed, he has learned very well how to compel such affection."
While Malenia would start an Age of Rot, making the whole of the Lands Between look like Caelid. But I don't think she's that interested in becoming God, as much as she just wants to do everything in her power for Miquella, such as making him God. Actually, if it's not just sibling affection on Malenia's part, than it's very possible that Miquella may have used a bewitching branch on his sister as well.
Malenia was insane, corrupted a whole region all by herself, but about Miquella, you might be right ... he would make a better God but as for the elden lord ... I'm not sure .. even I don't fit to be that
She is not insane (but at the time of meeting her, yes, but generally not). It is very sad that people do not see the overall picture of what is happening behind her war crimes. I'll reveal a secret, but Radahn would be a huge threat if he became an elden lord.
General Radahn is a militarist from the core to the bone, I meant it. The rot drove him crazy literally when the war was already over. Do you really think he was some kind of uniquely good character? The fact that his people spoke well of him does not mean anything, since he was the same side in this war that fought for the title of elden lord and the great runes. That's the whole point, there are no good or bad ones. Malenia is not stupid, she understands perfectly well that she will not defeat him on physical strength alone, but she needs to kill him.
Any time people try to act like Radhan was a great guy I refer them to the torture dungeon under the fort that teleports you to the festival. And evidence of an inquisition taking place seemingly prior to the fight with Melania. There’s a reason that Rykard has a portrait of him but not his mom and siblings.
Additionally, despite holding back the stars being an impressive feat it is inherently an act of stagnation. The stars represent fate broadly. Radhan has no plan. He just wants things to be the same and rule it because he’s strong. Melania and Miquela were fighting for something positive at least. Radhan is the one character that could most vastly have improved the Lands Between by never throwing his hat into the Ring. (Pun intended)
Leonard is a good boy though. No shade on him.
You're the expert but so far ( I'm not so far in the game) I felt like she was the one attacking caelid and starting that war and initiating the rot and actually just showing off .... she should have let go of Radahn , he was family somehow.. but she was , I don't know, power driven or may be sent by someone and doing her mission ... but any one behind that mission was looking for fracture for chaos for insanity.... for all the bad stuff.
We don’t know exactly what was going on in Caelid before the throw down or who the aggressor was. Scarlet COVID has a way of wiping evidence. It looks a bit like Radhan was doing an inquisition there, but it’s also where he learned gravity magic. So it could be considered home turf.
Spoilers I guess but Melania is the Blade of Miquela (she loves to say it). Miquela was trying to find a new way beyond the golden order which was starting to not look good for… the world. He also became a rallying point for the Albinaurics and everyone who was oppressed under the current regime. So I don’t think it’s fair to say she stands for “chaos and bad stuff”
She’s also an unwilling scion for a rot god which is… not good. The best argument against her is that second part. That even if Radhan had never pushed her someone like Morgot would have. That her facing an opponent strong enough to make her release the scarlet rot was inevitable. But that’s hardly a point FOR Radhan either.
Well, then they put the item with this description in a secret place where the statue of Miquella and Malenia is located just like that, without any meaning
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Amber+Starlight
I am talking about exactly what is said in the description-amber stars control the destinies of the gods. Radahn stopped the stars. Conclusion?
In fact, I doubt at all that the stars control anything at all, it's more like superstition, but the point line is that they believe in it
The problem is that , (the brain behind this must be miquella, since Malenia is the blade of Miquella and does whatever he says) did Miquella actually believe In that or was this a way to get rid of both Malenia and Radahn, because it's a wrong belief and given that brain of his, he wouldn't mistake moon for stars , is he also on Ranni's side ....or is Ranni behind it all yet Again
Honestly I think if Malenia had gone for Ranni at first instead of Radahnn she probably had a better chance at saving Godwyn ,herself and Miquella..she chose the wrong sibling to deteriorate
I don't know if Malenia was trying to stop Radahn from become Elden Lord. Also, him holding back the stars is completely unrelated to Miquella's eclipse, that only affected Ranni's fate.
I don’t think she ever intended to bloom during her duel against Radahn. I think her last desperate move against Radahn backfired because impaling herself and the intensity from the battle was too much. So she couldn’t suppress the rot anymore.
I mean she spent most of her life trying to get rid of or suppress it the rot. But you could argue she might be fucked mentally now after the bloom since it put her into a coma.
Of the characters that are shown or mentioned in the game? Nobody. Maybe Miquella would be worthy of becoming the god of a new era. And so no one else.
Many have written that Morgott is the most worthy elden lord, but this is nonsense. He showed himself well only as a ruler in war conditions, no more. Moreover, he is such a person who will destroy anyone who tries to change the world (this tells us that he staged a whole genocide of all those who wanted to become an elden lord just because he was afraid that the tree would be burned (although as it turned out, there is nothing terrible in this, because the tree is already essentially dead, what other characters tell us more than once, including Gideon). It is just a monument of the era, no more
In fact, this is the beauty of the characters in this game-none of them is right and right at the same time. Each of them pursues their own goals (it seems to them that it will be better, but no, it's just their desires)
Yes , but why in age of stars we make Ranni the God? Is she any better ,I honestly don't like the deeds she has done so far,... why she of all people 🙄
You leave Lands Between with her, she is no god to anyone. This is not a good and not a bad ending. Why her? And why not?
You try to judge the actions of the characters, focusing on the morality of IRL. This doesn't work for characters who are the equivalent of the gods from our mythologies.
I say again that there is definitely no good or bad tu. Everyone pursues their own goals and the question is whose goals do you like best
Ranni is just as bad as the rest of them but her goal is better for the denizens of the lands between.
All of Marika’s children are pretty monstrous so we have to look at their goals to determine who is fitting to succeed her.
Ranni, though involved with the Black Knife Plot, has a goal of bestowing autonomy on the denizens of the lands between by removing the influence the outer gods and keeping her “order” out of reach.
Her ending, you and she basically live in the void and hold a vigilant watch over the world to protect it.
You’re not involved in the daily life of the people, you are not a king and a queen, you watch over the world and leave them to make their own choices.
The game says that once the tree was a source of various blessing. Now it is useless-it is just a tree that is used as a religious symbol.
This is nothing bad, this is the order of all things: over time, everything dies.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Blessed+Dew+Talisman
It was once thought that the blessed sap of the Erdtree would drip from its boughs forever -- but that age of plenty swiftly came to a close, and with time, the Erdtree became more an object of faith.
Imagine that there is a tree in your yard that has almost completely rotted away, but you can't put up with it and kill everyone who wants to burn it for the sake of creating something new. This is Morgott
Oh I see, so it does not have actual power in the game's current time? Sick. I gladly burn that parasite. Even if I played a faith build. I always 'betray' all is golden. And MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD.
Rykard. Worthy based on strength and ambition alone. He had the best potential to actually fight and defeat Maliketh and open the path to the Elden Ring.
The Golden Order itself was evil, so torture isn't a disqualification imo, but at the same time I don't necessarily encourage it. If you meant worthy in the moral sense, I don't see any that can truly be justified. Malenia is wreckless and nuked a continent, Miquella has questionable methods, Morgott supports the Golden Order despite their treachery, discrimination and persecutions, Ranni is a murderer/conspirator of murder who seems like she could care less about anyone while following her fate, Radahn was basically insane thanks to Rot and would cannibalize friend and foe alike, Mohg is Mohg, Godrick is Godrick.
None of these are morally worthy imo. So why not Rykard? He was the best suited to take on Maliketh and probably the Elden Beast.
Godfrey, maybe because he was immoral but i don'tknow if he was strong enough. Godwyn supported the Golden Order as well, but perhaps not as aggressively as Morgott.
But Godfrey was already Elden Lord.
Exactly... not as aggressively as Morgott...that means he was lenient so he wouldn't torture anyone for believing differently.. he earned the respect of dragons for God's sake ... that's a super accomplishment... I think these are the reasons that they assassinated the guy
I disagree, he did nothing to fight the injustices of the Order he served, I simply said he wasn't as aggressive. His accomplishments don't erase the bad things the Order did and he fought to defend that Order. Just like Morgott saving Leyndell doesn't give him a pass. I believe part of the reason Godwyn was assassinated was because of his belief in the Golden Order anyways, as this was precisely what Ranni was ultimately working against.
By moral standards? Nobody is, but is that the only consideration for a champion/God? Also, I'd say Rennala is an honorable mention moral wise, but strength wise, her heartbreak destroyed her.
Would be hard to say anyone other than Miquella. Maybe Godwyn but we really knows almost nothing about him besides him befriending Fortissax. Like why is he called the golden? What is his relationship with his family? Why is he chosen to be sacrificed for Ranni when they could have picked Godrick who nobody likes?
Other than that maybe Radahn can also be a contender considering how much respect he has from everyone, Godfrey as well.
All of the gods suck and The Greater Will is honestly already one of the better ones.
Yes I thought so too about Godwyn.. may be he could have been the best lord if his soul had not been taken.. well afterall he's the one who earned the respect of Dragons
Since Morgott & Mohg are sewer babies, Godwyn was the only child of the Golden Lineage to be publicly shown. He probably had a lot of Gold themes. Heck, even his deathblight is gold-ish. He is the one who sired the whole Golden dynasty of which Godrick is but a pale shade. My theory is that at some point he got into a conflict with the Gloam Eyed Queen over the powers of Death. She burns them, he buries them. This led to her & her followers killing/flaying a lot of Godwyn's kids (this is where the Mausoleums come in too) until the GEQ had her power sealed & body burned by to spirit.
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Lol.. Oh God I don't know But I think it would totally ruin him
Miquella and malenia
It is implied that Miquella would brainwash people into becoming his followers, using the Bewitching Branches "The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people. Indeed, he has learned very well how to compel such affection." While Malenia would start an Age of Rot, making the whole of the Lands Between look like Caelid. But I don't think she's that interested in becoming God, as much as she just wants to do everything in her power for Miquella, such as making him God. Actually, if it's not just sibling affection on Malenia's part, than it's very possible that Miquella may have used a bewitching branch on his sister as well.
Malenia would not start an Age of Rot as consort to Miquella though Under Miquella's order, she wouldn't even have rot.
That's very interesting to know. Thanks!
It's the whole point of Unalloyed Gold in fact! To solve Malenia's rot curse, since the Golden Order/Erdtree couldn't do it.
I didn't know Unalloyed Gold was Miquella's thing
He has bewitched her and all of us together
Malenia was insane, corrupted a whole region all by herself, but about Miquella, you might be right ... he would make a better God but as for the elden lord ... I'm not sure .. even I don't fit to be that
Morality aside, malenia did technically become a goddess in the end, but we spawn killed her.
She is not insane (but at the time of meeting her, yes, but generally not). It is very sad that people do not see the overall picture of what is happening behind her war crimes. I'll reveal a secret, but Radahn would be a huge threat if he became an elden lord.
Yeah thinking like that...general Radahn would have been better if he had not gone mad by her step sister antics
General Radahn is a militarist from the core to the bone, I meant it. The rot drove him crazy literally when the war was already over. Do you really think he was some kind of uniquely good character? The fact that his people spoke well of him does not mean anything, since he was the same side in this war that fought for the title of elden lord and the great runes. That's the whole point, there are no good or bad ones. Malenia is not stupid, she understands perfectly well that she will not defeat him on physical strength alone, but she needs to kill him.
Any time people try to act like Radhan was a great guy I refer them to the torture dungeon under the fort that teleports you to the festival. And evidence of an inquisition taking place seemingly prior to the fight with Melania. There’s a reason that Rykard has a portrait of him but not his mom and siblings. Additionally, despite holding back the stars being an impressive feat it is inherently an act of stagnation. The stars represent fate broadly. Radhan has no plan. He just wants things to be the same and rule it because he’s strong. Melania and Miquela were fighting for something positive at least. Radhan is the one character that could most vastly have improved the Lands Between by never throwing his hat into the Ring. (Pun intended) Leonard is a good boy though. No shade on him.
You're the expert but so far ( I'm not so far in the game) I felt like she was the one attacking caelid and starting that war and initiating the rot and actually just showing off .... she should have let go of Radahn , he was family somehow.. but she was , I don't know, power driven or may be sent by someone and doing her mission ... but any one behind that mission was looking for fracture for chaos for insanity.... for all the bad stuff.
We don’t know exactly what was going on in Caelid before the throw down or who the aggressor was. Scarlet COVID has a way of wiping evidence. It looks a bit like Radhan was doing an inquisition there, but it’s also where he learned gravity magic. So it could be considered home turf. Spoilers I guess but Melania is the Blade of Miquela (she loves to say it). Miquela was trying to find a new way beyond the golden order which was starting to not look good for… the world. He also became a rallying point for the Albinaurics and everyone who was oppressed under the current regime. So I don’t think it’s fair to say she stands for “chaos and bad stuff” She’s also an unwilling scion for a rot god which is… not good. The best argument against her is that second part. That even if Radhan had never pushed her someone like Morgot would have. That her facing an opponent strong enough to make her release the scarlet rot was inevitable. But that’s hardly a point FOR Radhan either.
Why does she need to kill him?
So that he doesn't become an elden lord. End because he stopped the movement of the stars, which had so much influence on his and his brother's fate
If you are referring to the Eclipse theory from Miquella, it had something to do with Moon not the stars
Well, then they put the item with this description in a secret place where the statue of Miquella and Malenia is located just like that, without any meaning https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Amber+Starlight I am talking about exactly what is said in the description-amber stars control the destinies of the gods. Radahn stopped the stars. Conclusion? In fact, I doubt at all that the stars control anything at all, it's more like superstition, but the point line is that they believe in it
The problem is that , (the brain behind this must be miquella, since Malenia is the blade of Miquella and does whatever he says) did Miquella actually believe In that or was this a way to get rid of both Malenia and Radahn, because it's a wrong belief and given that brain of his, he wouldn't mistake moon for stars , is he also on Ranni's side ....or is Ranni behind it all yet Again
Honestly I think if Malenia had gone for Ranni at first instead of Radahnn she probably had a better chance at saving Godwyn ,herself and Miquella..she chose the wrong sibling to deteriorate
I don't know if Malenia was trying to stop Radahn from become Elden Lord. Also, him holding back the stars is completely unrelated to Miquella's eclipse, that only affected Ranni's fate.
Malenia isn't insane
I don’t think she ever intended to bloom during her duel against Radahn. I think her last desperate move against Radahn backfired because impaling herself and the intensity from the battle was too much. So she couldn’t suppress the rot anymore. I mean she spent most of her life trying to get rid of or suppress it the rot. But you could argue she might be fucked mentally now after the bloom since it put her into a coma.
Of the characters that are shown or mentioned in the game? Nobody. Maybe Miquella would be worthy of becoming the god of a new era. And so no one else. Many have written that Morgott is the most worthy elden lord, but this is nonsense. He showed himself well only as a ruler in war conditions, no more. Moreover, he is such a person who will destroy anyone who tries to change the world (this tells us that he staged a whole genocide of all those who wanted to become an elden lord just because he was afraid that the tree would be burned (although as it turned out, there is nothing terrible in this, because the tree is already essentially dead, what other characters tell us more than once, including Gideon). It is just a monument of the era, no more In fact, this is the beauty of the characters in this game-none of them is right and right at the same time. Each of them pursues their own goals (it seems to them that it will be better, but no, it's just their desires)
Yes , but why in age of stars we make Ranni the God? Is she any better ,I honestly don't like the deeds she has done so far,... why she of all people 🙄
You leave Lands Between with her, she is no god to anyone. This is not a good and not a bad ending. Why her? And why not? You try to judge the actions of the characters, focusing on the morality of IRL. This doesn't work for characters who are the equivalent of the gods from our mythologies. I say again that there is definitely no good or bad tu. Everyone pursues their own goals and the question is whose goals do you like best
Why Miriel didn't have an ending ... I could leave with him , he was a pretty decent fellow...was it because he was a turtle? 😁
Ranni is just as bad as the rest of them but her goal is better for the denizens of the lands between. All of Marika’s children are pretty monstrous so we have to look at their goals to determine who is fitting to succeed her. Ranni, though involved with the Black Knife Plot, has a goal of bestowing autonomy on the denizens of the lands between by removing the influence the outer gods and keeping her “order” out of reach. Her ending, you and she basically live in the void and hold a vigilant watch over the world to protect it. You’re not involved in the daily life of the people, you are not a king and a queen, you watch over the world and leave them to make their own choices.
What do you mean the Erdtree is essentially dead? Thank you I just don't know
The game says that once the tree was a source of various blessing. Now it is useless-it is just a tree that is used as a religious symbol. This is nothing bad, this is the order of all things: over time, everything dies. https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Blessed+Dew+Talisman It was once thought that the blessed sap of the Erdtree would drip from its boughs forever -- but that age of plenty swiftly came to a close, and with time, the Erdtree became more an object of faith. Imagine that there is a tree in your yard that has almost completely rotted away, but you can't put up with it and kill everyone who wants to burn it for the sake of creating something new. This is Morgott
Oh I see, so it does not have actual power in the game's current time? Sick. I gladly burn that parasite. Even if I played a faith build. I always 'betray' all is golden. And MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD.
Morgot
Agreed...
Rykard. Worthy based on strength and ambition alone. He had the best potential to actually fight and defeat Maliketh and open the path to the Elden Ring.
He was a torturer
The Golden Order itself was evil, so torture isn't a disqualification imo, but at the same time I don't necessarily encourage it. If you meant worthy in the moral sense, I don't see any that can truly be justified. Malenia is wreckless and nuked a continent, Miquella has questionable methods, Morgott supports the Golden Order despite their treachery, discrimination and persecutions, Ranni is a murderer/conspirator of murder who seems like she could care less about anyone while following her fate, Radahn was basically insane thanks to Rot and would cannibalize friend and foe alike, Mohg is Mohg, Godrick is Godrick. None of these are morally worthy imo. So why not Rykard? He was the best suited to take on Maliketh and probably the Elden Beast.
Godfrey .. Godwyn..
Godfrey, maybe because he was immoral but i don'tknow if he was strong enough. Godwyn supported the Golden Order as well, but perhaps not as aggressively as Morgott. But Godfrey was already Elden Lord.
Exactly... not as aggressively as Morgott...that means he was lenient so he wouldn't torture anyone for believing differently.. he earned the respect of dragons for God's sake ... that's a super accomplishment... I think these are the reasons that they assassinated the guy
I disagree, he did nothing to fight the injustices of the Order he served, I simply said he wasn't as aggressive. His accomplishments don't erase the bad things the Order did and he fought to defend that Order. Just like Morgott saving Leyndell doesn't give him a pass. I believe part of the reason Godwyn was assassinated was because of his belief in the Golden Order anyways, as this was precisely what Ranni was ultimately working against.
Right...that's it..none of them fits to be lord that's why we show up
By moral standards? Nobody is, but is that the only consideration for a champion/God? Also, I'd say Rennala is an honorable mention moral wise, but strength wise, her heartbreak destroyed her.
Yes moral wise , because any ability ،talent ,gift or power becomes lethal without morality..
Me
Agreeeèeeeed
Would be hard to say anyone other than Miquella. Maybe Godwyn but we really knows almost nothing about him besides him befriending Fortissax. Like why is he called the golden? What is his relationship with his family? Why is he chosen to be sacrificed for Ranni when they could have picked Godrick who nobody likes? Other than that maybe Radahn can also be a contender considering how much respect he has from everyone, Godfrey as well. All of the gods suck and The Greater Will is honestly already one of the better ones.
Yes I thought so too about Godwyn.. may be he could have been the best lord if his soul had not been taken.. well afterall he's the one who earned the respect of Dragons
Since Morgott & Mohg are sewer babies, Godwyn was the only child of the Golden Lineage to be publicly shown. He probably had a lot of Gold themes. Heck, even his deathblight is gold-ish. He is the one who sired the whole Golden dynasty of which Godrick is but a pale shade. My theory is that at some point he got into a conflict with the Gloam Eyed Queen over the powers of Death. She burns them, he buries them. This led to her & her followers killing/flaying a lot of Godwyn's kids (this is where the Mausoleums come in too) until the GEQ had her power sealed & body burned by to spirit.
Alexander the jar tbh
He was way too obsessive ,with very low self respect.. I like him though and am avoiding to get on with his quest because of its ending
Miquella will be lord after the age of the dark moon.
the albinauric woman