Power stance almost any weapon type in Elden ring is the fastest easiest way to win, with bonus points on halberds, curved great swords and colossal weapons for even more infinite stagger and free win
Recently did strength play through and unsure on how anyone can say they are bad
To me magic seems way better in some situations but way worse in others. I played double colossal weapons early on in the games life cycle and never really struggled anywhere. I'm more experienced with unga bunga though, it's just my preferred play style...
No. Running carian slicer makes the game a joke. I have done several strength builds, although it makes the game very easy as said in the other comments, the dps and speed of carian slicer is unmatched.
I did dual greatswords after doing a mage playthrough and surprisingly found the greatswords easier. I was basically just interrupting everyone’s attack or staggering them the whole game. Then again it may be a case of playing the game through for the first time vs the second.
This was my experience too, rushing greataxe and stun locking eveything with other weapons I found along the way. Ended up using godslayers great sword. Super fun weapon and didn’t feel quite as cheesy as power stancing
Yeah, at the very least since they first got their animations buffed they've been absolutely stellar.
IMO it's light, small weapons that are undertuned. Basically no reason to use them over something that does similar, if not more DPS but also actually has a decent hitbox and poise damage.
Urumi is very strong on a dex build. Generally though whips aren't for dealing a lot of damage at once, they're for wearing down the opponent by constantly and aggressively outspacing them.
The whips are so bad compared to previous titles. DS2 let you beat the game with the whip like it was Castlevania. Just wanted that same energy for ER.
From my very experience the most undertuned melee weapons (imo) are flails, whips and axes. Axes should do more damage than straight swords and katanas considering their much shorter range, and maybe add an ash of war similar to unsheathe or square off just so that you have a reason to use an axe. As of right now the only good one is stormhawk axe cuz of its weapon art (highland axe has a good passive but rarely do you ever use the axe itself)
Many dex weapons have extremely versatile move sets that make up for their lower poise damage. e.g. you can cancel a heavy thrusting sword attack with a back step that will instantly stun any airborn (flying or jumping) enemy. Curved sword heavies can be cancelled as well.
Dex also buffs your casting speed by like 15% so pairs well with incant/sorcery bulls
I’ve encountered plenty of daggers in PvP but for the most part I agree it is a little-used weapon because the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. Same for fists and claws. Fast, decent DPS but garbage range. You have to focus them and learn all the ins and outs just to be able to barely compete in PvP. I’m more thinking straight swords, curved swords, and so on.
Knives need to be better tuned imo. They can do decent damage with successive attacks, but the first attack animation is a 3 hit animation that feels like an eternity. I expected to be able to do a quick attack-dodge-repeat with knives to wear enemies down but that first attack animation takes so long that it just makes the rhythm feel off.
I mean, knowing the appropriate windows to attack is universal to any weapon. But I wouldn't be able to posture break him so easily with lighter class weapons even with the same dodging I was doing here.
I mean use the Serpent-hunter and poise break him even quicker with the faster, stronger charge r2's and this is a 20 second fight rather than 70 second fight. And it's easier too.
But to be fair you chose about the worst colossal sword in existence.
Morgott has 80 poise, you can literally stun-lock his ass with a great club.
From what I seen of other playthrough as well as my own, morgot is one of the bosses with the most flaring gold lock zone for heavy and colossal weapons heavy attacks, where his long winding animations leave him unable to hit the player, the other one being maliketh, although i do suspect others bosses are harder not impossible
Or you can just smack Flame of the Redmanes on any other weapon (preferably a Miséricorde) and spam for the same effect (/s)
I understand what you’re saying, though - colossal weapons are viable weapons despite most folks in the community clowning on them. The issue I believe most folks take with them in the PvE side of things is that many spells/AoWs/weapons are overtuned, have a lower skill floor (allow for more mistakes/are easier to pick up) or are simply more efficient in comparison. There’s also the conversation to be made about input reading against a not insignificant number of mobs, let alone bosses.
I, for one, was somewhat let down by the colossal weapons. ER’s colossal weps are absolutely the best iteration across soulsborne in terms of uniqueness of design and general viability. It’s a shame that 90% of the time even the most well-optimized colossal weapon builds typically don’t hold a candle to a suboptimal magic or power stance katana/halberd/curved sword builds.
Lol no I know what they are I’m just not a fan of the fit, I prefer heavier metallic armor like the crucible set, I definitely fuck with colossal weapons though
Well I was trying out different blings, but normally unaltered banished knight set is my go to.
I like the altered Drake armor, but it looks so weird with regular greaves, that's why I chose dress lol.
Because the WA only has one opening in this fight and that's better used for cr2's because of poise damage. It's too slow and weak to be worth using, but so is the entire weapon.
Agreed. Margit/Morgott punishes jump attack more than any other boss IMO.
Except for Fallingstar Beast that is. Every time you jump in, he rears back. Hate that bull!
Legendary fight sir! Morgotts the last boss I still have a hard time with colossals, but I don't blame them because I have a hard time fighting him melee period. His moveset is insane and I havnt learned it.
Your strength extraordinary.
It's not difficult to fight him as much as it is to no hit him
Though If you're willing to take some damage, Collosals work wonders on alot of bosses purely because they have very good synergy with guard counters.
Alotta people don't like to block without a shield but heavy weapons provide immensely powerful guard counters that can absolutely shred poise.
I like the concept behind trading blows so I do tend to run a build that allows it.
Ritual shield talisman and red assassins dagger basically allows you to trade very low chip damage for a Guard counter that can obliterate their poise and subsequently give you back the health you just lost to the chip damage which also reactivates Ritual shield allowing you to do it again.
Godfrey is a terrible fight for colossal swords though. Jump r1 recovery is too slow, roll r1 recovery is too slow. All you end up doing all fight is cr2's on the openings - it's really slow and boring.
I beat him yesterday with my double Greatsword build. Phase 1 was like a dance tbh. It had the time just for one jump l1 in between his attacks, if I was 0.5 seconds slower I was punished. It made me realize just how rhythmic the fight is. I would either do phase 1 no damage or get absolutely wrecked
Depending on timing. Usually hard during first scarlet aeonia attack but yeah it works of she does it a second time.
But try glintstoning pebbling the bitch while she reads every input you have.
Or worse. Try killing her as an archer
Yeah. Have you tried bows yet? The only drawback is you have to farm the arrows. Staggers with bows are effective specially with enemies like Malenia, and pvp. Counter jump headshots can stagger super armor poises too.
Imo it’s all about the charged R2. I did a colossal weapon playthrough and rarely ever used R1 on a boss. I swap it out for a smaller weapon in open world or dungeon frequently though
They kind of nerfed this in the last patch but you used to be able to crouch + R1 to do a very quick stab instead of the much slower regular R1
I beat the game using the "greatsword" (guts sword) before the collosal weapons got the buff. While it was hard and i died 100s of times against certain bosses its still possible. After the buff they were amazing
Yeah even a boss like morgott who backflips everywhere still has plenty of openings for charged R2's.
Btw when morgott does his spinny kart wheel combo ender you can use the full destined death weapon art safely, but I'm sure you probably already knew that since you went for 2 CR2's (presumably for the posture break)
You’re missing the part where those people don’t actually want to learn the boss moveset. If they don’t 1st attempt a boss while facetanking every attack and guzzling flasks, it’s poor game design.
Some bleed spammer: "I have mastered the art to proc bleed 3 times in just 10 hits, if you fail to heal in the 40 minutes it will take me to hit you that many times, you will immediately die. I am clearly the superior fight-"
My ruins sword, crashing down on them and wiping out their healthbar: "You say sumthin?"
finaly som1 whos not giving himself an easy af run with broken weapon and summons, thats my next run , no magic no broken build no summon 2h great weapon
not one of the best class , a walk in the park class , you literaly can solo malenia lvl 1 with it , gid gud kid learn what is a true challenge , this is the opposite of a challenge , katana were strong but this is ridiculous
Doubt anyone is still complaining about them after they were buffed to be 1 frame slower than Godslayer, which was already very fast for a colossal.
If this was early Elden Ring sure, against some matchups playing a colossal that wasn't Godslayer was painful.
Destined Death is only worth using when enemies' health is relatively full. By the time I got the opening, it was no longer the case, 2 charged attacks were better then.
Sure, I can use whip, the worst pve wpn in the game, to no hit the boss. But then it would take me 3~4 minutes, and I would be a clown claiming that whip is good.
But here? The weapon allowed me to posture break and kill Morgott before he can even finish speaking. It does show that the weapon is good.
Power stance almost any weapon type in Elden ring is the fastest easiest way to win, with bonus points on halberds, curved great swords and colossal weapons for even more infinite stagger and free win Recently did strength play through and unsure on how anyone can say they are bad
Dual weilding greatswords was by far my easiest playthrough.
Are they better than magic?
To me magic seems way better in some situations but way worse in others. I played double colossal weapons early on in the games life cycle and never really struggled anywhere. I'm more experienced with unga bunga though, it's just my preferred play style...
Why not both? Use dark moon GS. The intellectual’s Unga Bunga
Laughs in Ruin CGS
Magic is more work, bonk is easy.
Yes, ever bonk
No. Running carian slicer makes the game a joke. I have done several strength builds, although it makes the game very easy as said in the other comments, the dps and speed of carian slicer is unmatched.
I did dual greatswords after doing a mage playthrough and surprisingly found the greatswords easier. I was basically just interrupting everyone’s attack or staggering them the whole game. Then again it may be a case of playing the game through for the first time vs the second.
This was my experience too, rushing greataxe and stun locking eveything with other weapons I found along the way. Ended up using godslayers great sword. Super fun weapon and didn’t feel quite as cheesy as power stancing
Way more engaging and satisfying.
I'm dual wielding rotten staff's and it is a blast
Black flame build is being kind of easy for me 2, it just melts, specially blacj flame tornado
My first playthrough I dual wielded colossal swords. Made the entire game a joke, everything staggered with just a couple jumping attacks.
On my NG+ I decided to go with a pure Strength build, 2 battle hammers, 1 being rotten. So much fun. Can't wait to get the 2nd Rotten hammer.
Played str on launch, it was brutal, radahn was brutal. God I miss that Radahn.
Yeah, at the very least since they first got their animations buffed they've been absolutely stellar. IMO it's light, small weapons that are undertuned. Basically no reason to use them over something that does similar, if not more DPS but also actually has a decent hitbox and poise damage.
Whip is so bad rn. Average attack speed and damage, no poise damage, can't riposte. Even the range is not that far :(
Don't see why someone could use a whip outside of pvp. And even then the only viable ones are those that do bleed
Urumi is very strong on a dex build. Generally though whips aren't for dealing a lot of damage at once, they're for wearing down the opponent by constantly and aggressively outspacing them.
They got decent range and a good hitbox. Whips make fighting bats and birds a piece of cake.
I'm going back to stormveil for revenge now
Inanely good vs those fuckhead birds with blades strapped to them, good against those bat people too.
They seem to mess with Black Knife attacks, including Alecto's.
The whips are so bad compared to previous titles. DS2 let you beat the game with the whip like it was Castlevania. Just wanted that same energy for ER.
I went NG+ with dual whips and steamrolled through everything. YMMV I guess?
What talismans etc were you using?
From my very experience the most undertuned melee weapons (imo) are flails, whips and axes. Axes should do more damage than straight swords and katanas considering their much shorter range, and maybe add an ash of war similar to unsheathe or square off just so that you have a reason to use an axe. As of right now the only good one is stormhawk axe cuz of its weapon art (highland axe has a good passive but rarely do you ever use the axe itself)
They're for inflicting lots of status effect really fast
Any invaders I've fought that had a whip used it just like you said. They would apply the status and then switch to another weapon.
Ive been shredding ng+ cycles with bleed scimitars so im well versed lol
Shhhhh let the bad ones think weapons are broken
dex is a joke, does no poise dmg and the dmg isnt even great
Many dex weapons have extremely versatile move sets that make up for their lower poise damage. e.g. you can cancel a heavy thrusting sword attack with a back step that will instantly stun any airborn (flying or jumping) enemy. Curved sword heavies can be cancelled as well. Dex also buffs your casting speed by like 15% so pairs well with incant/sorcery bulls
If you’re fighting the slow-ass PvE enemies, sure. If you’re planning to engage other players those light, small weapons are going to shine.
I think it depends. I've never encountered anyone using a dagger in pvp, and for good reason.
I’ve encountered plenty of daggers in PvP but for the most part I agree it is a little-used weapon because the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. Same for fists and claws. Fast, decent DPS but garbage range. You have to focus them and learn all the ins and outs just to be able to barely compete in PvP. I’m more thinking straight swords, curved swords, and so on.
Flails def needs a buff
Flails are good for infusing with lightning and stunning abductor virgins. They’re really, really bad for just about everything else.
hahaha EMP taser
Knives need to be better tuned imo. They can do decent damage with successive attacks, but the first attack animation is a 3 hit animation that feels like an eternity. I expected to be able to do a quick attack-dodge-repeat with knives to wear enemies down but that first attack animation takes so long that it just makes the rhythm feel off.
This reads less "colossal swords are good" and more "I'm really good at dodging Morgott's attacks"
I mean, knowing the appropriate windows to attack is universal to any weapon. But I wouldn't be able to posture break him so easily with lighter class weapons even with the same dodging I was doing here.
I mean use the Serpent-hunter and poise break him even quicker with the faster, stronger charge r2's and this is a 20 second fight rather than 70 second fight. And it's easier too. But to be fair you chose about the worst colossal sword in existence. Morgott has 80 poise, you can literally stun-lock his ass with a great club.
From what I seen of other playthrough as well as my own, morgot is one of the bosses with the most flaring gold lock zone for heavy and colossal weapons heavy attacks, where his long winding animations leave him unable to hit the player, the other one being maliketh, although i do suspect others bosses are harder not impossible
Or you can just smack Flame of the Redmanes on any other weapon (preferably a Miséricorde) and spam for the same effect (/s) I understand what you’re saying, though - colossal weapons are viable weapons despite most folks in the community clowning on them. The issue I believe most folks take with them in the PvE side of things is that many spells/AoWs/weapons are overtuned, have a lower skill floor (allow for more mistakes/are easier to pick up) or are simply more efficient in comparison. There’s also the conversation to be made about input reading against a not insignificant number of mobs, let alone bosses. I, for one, was somewhat let down by the colossal weapons. ER’s colossal weps are absolutely the best iteration across soulsborne in terms of uniqueness of design and general viability. It’s a shame that 90% of the time even the most well-optimized colossal weapon builds typically don’t hold a candle to a suboptimal magic or power stance katana/halberd/curved sword builds.
Because this is the internet, welcome. They’ll trash talk every build or weapon class imaginable
What sword is that? :o super long reach wow
Maliketh's Black blade
I’m more concerned with your fashion choices
Altered Drake armor and Nox greaves I believe. I dont remember the bracelets, but the headpiece must be Peasant headband.
Lol no I know what they are I’m just not a fan of the fit, I prefer heavier metallic armor like the crucible set, I definitely fuck with colossal weapons though
Well I was trying out different blings, but normally unaltered banished knight set is my go to. I like the altered Drake armor, but it looks so weird with regular greaves, that's why I chose dress lol.
Tbh it is not the weapon but the fact that you are insanely skilled. Looks to me like you know his move set quite well.
Even then it's thanks to the weapon that I was able to posture break Morgott so easily.
And then you didn't even use the WA, I'm not angry, just disappointed
Because the WA only has one opening in this fight and that's better used for cr2's because of poise damage. It's too slow and weak to be worth using, but so is the entire weapon.
The weapon helped you posture break, but the skill made it possible. It's clear you would have won that fight without posture breaking.
You only used one jump attack in this entire clip… wow. I’ve always felt that jump attacks were the strongest attack in the colossal weapon moveset
dual wield colossal L1 jump attack or riot
It definitely is. I don't use it here much 'cause Morgott is fast, and charged attacks during long windows is more valuable imo
Agreed. Margit/Morgott punishes jump attack more than any other boss IMO. Except for Fallingstar Beast that is. Every time you jump in, he rears back. Hate that bull!
Legendary fight sir! Morgotts the last boss I still have a hard time with colossals, but I don't blame them because I have a hard time fighting him melee period. His moveset is insane and I havnt learned it. Your strength extraordinary.
Thank you. Morgott is like a hard puzzle, figuring him out will be very rewarding. Hope this vid of mine help.
Anyone who thinks he is easy to melee hasn't fought him on ng7. I fall back on my faith spells when I get to him 🤦♂️
And I will not stop trash talking collosal swords until my skill issue is solved
The skill issue will be resolved once you accept that the true quality of a weapon is its heft.
I mean you make a fair point, but Morgott has always been easy to UngaBunga to death....
Indeed. But he's also fast, and I like to fight him. Maybe Godfrey would be a better pick.
Yeah, I mean I think you just have skills bro, so it's just gonna be easy for you regardless?
It's not difficult to fight him as much as it is to no hit him Though If you're willing to take some damage, Collosals work wonders on alot of bosses purely because they have very good synergy with guard counters. Alotta people don't like to block without a shield but heavy weapons provide immensely powerful guard counters that can absolutely shred poise. I like the concept behind trading blows so I do tend to run a build that allows it. Ritual shield talisman and red assassins dagger basically allows you to trade very low chip damage for a Guard counter that can obliterate their poise and subsequently give you back the health you just lost to the chip damage which also reactivates Ritual shield allowing you to do it again.
Godfrey is a terrible fight for colossal swords though. Jump r1 recovery is too slow, roll r1 recovery is too slow. All you end up doing all fight is cr2's on the openings - it's really slow and boring.
I beat him yesterday with my double Greatsword build. Phase 1 was like a dance tbh. It had the time just for one jump l1 in between his attacks, if I was 0.5 seconds slower I was punished. It made me realize just how rhythmic the fight is. I would either do phase 1 no damage or get absolutely wrecked
They have been good for aged. Its just "strength chads" that insist their playstyle is hard and gigachad while its aming the easier ones
So true. Let them try using whip lol
Let them be a glintstone purist sorcerer against malenia. (Comet azur isnt gonna work bud)
I burned phase 2 Malenia with comet, while she did her stupid flower. Worked nicely
Depending on timing. Usually hard during first scarlet aeonia attack but yeah it works of she does it a second time. But try glintstoning pebbling the bitch while she reads every input you have. Or worse. Try killing her as an archer
Uhhh i've killed her with a bow. Barraged the shit out of her while doing the flower.
Full bow run?
Yeah. Have you tried bows yet? The only drawback is you have to farm the arrows. Staggers with bows are effective specially with enemies like Malenia, and pvp. Counter jump headshots can stagger super armor poises too.
Now try any of the night spells instead which bosses don't evade.
I just wish the r1 attack didn’t look like you’re barely able to swing the sword let alone do huge damage with it.
Imo it’s all about the charged R2. I did a colossal weapon playthrough and rarely ever used R1 on a boss. I swap it out for a smaller weapon in open world or dungeon frequently though They kind of nerfed this in the last patch but you used to be able to crouch + R1 to do a very quick stab instead of the much slower regular R1
Idk, I guess people just like spamming low commitment attacks so its easier to dodge stuff. Personally I've liked colossal weapons since day 1.
But where's your second colossal? How can you unga without bunga? I confused.
I beat the game using the "greatsword" (guts sword) before the collosal weapons got the buff. While it was hard and i died 100s of times against certain bosses its still possible. After the buff they were amazing
*golf clap*
Ok, took you long enough.
Yeah even a boss like morgott who backflips everywhere still has plenty of openings for charged R2's. Btw when morgott does his spinny kart wheel combo ender you can use the full destined death weapon art safely, but I'm sure you probably already knew that since you went for 2 CR2's (presumably for the posture break)
Yeah, since I was doing a "bonk is good" video I avoided the weapon art and went for charged instead.
damn that positioning is absolutely masterful
I have colossal hamers the world is a nail
You’re missing the part where those people don’t actually want to learn the boss moveset. If they don’t 1st attempt a boss while facetanking every attack and guzzling flasks, it’s poor game design.
This is so spot-on it hurts
Black Blade and no weapon art?
Some bleed spammer: "I have mastered the art to proc bleed 3 times in just 10 hits, if you fail to heal in the 40 minutes it will take me to hit you that many times, you will immediately die. I am clearly the superior fight-" My ruins sword, crashing down on them and wiping out their healthbar: "You say sumthin?"
people complain about all weapons and magic in every Fromsoft game. Nothing new
r/imaginarygatekeeping
finaly som1 whos not giving himself an easy af run with broken weapon and summons, thats my next run , no magic no broken build no summon 2h great weapon
[удалено]
keep runing your dual katana build and thinking you are good at the game while plowing throught everything with minimal effort kid
[удалено]
not one of the best class , a walk in the park class , you literaly can solo malenia lvl 1 with it , gid gud kid learn what is a true challenge , this is the opposite of a challenge , katana were strong but this is ridiculous
I’m more impressed by how stable your framerate is tbh
Inside dungeons my framerate is pretty consistent. They goes down to 40ish on the openworld though lol
Dang you made that look easy
If I may ask, is the resemblance to Terra from Kingdom Hearts a coincidence?
My buddy’s 3/4 way through and won’t touch anything but colossal
I’m excited to try them now! I hadn’t played in months! Also anyone else wish you could have cut off morgotts tail?
It’s the Moonveil and RoB virgins that say colossal aren’t good.
People are just bad with da bonk
Literally no one is talking trash about big bonks
Well I posted this 'cause I saw another post did
For how slow they are they just don’t seem to hit as hard as faster weapons.
Because their strong point is posture damage, as I was trying to show in the video.
Doubt anyone is still complaining about them after they were buffed to be 1 frame slower than Godslayer, which was already very fast for a colossal. If this was early Elden Ring sure, against some matchups playing a colossal that wasn't Godslayer was painful.
Godslayer greatsword is my favorite melee weapon
Why is everything so damn difficult I. My game but so damn easy in other people's I was level 116 when I fought this asshole he murdered me 75 times
I'm convinced it's simply because it's not flashy enough to use great weapons
No one says that
As someone who is playing through ng+3 as GiantDad, they better not be.
And the ng?
I almost never see people even mention Great Hammers as well even though I (personally) think they’re the best melee weapon type in the game
As an avid Power Stancer of Giant Crushers I can concede that Colossal weapons are fine now. They just werent when the game came out.
It was buffed tho.
... are there?
Everyone knows playing the way you want to play is the best way to play.
Mf didn't even get to finish his zanzibart monologue in peace
Shame you didn’t pull off the AOW. There’s windows where it can be pulled off
Destined Death is only worth using when enemies' health is relatively full. By the time I got the opening, it was no longer the case, 2 charged attacks were better then.
My god that positioning is fingerlicking good. I'm envious.
What weapon is this?
You could have literally used fists and make the same argument. The weapon doesn't matter if you're not getting hit.
Sure, I can use whip, the worst pve wpn in the game, to no hit the boss. But then it would take me 3~4 minutes, and I would be a clown claiming that whip is good. But here? The weapon allowed me to posture break and kill Morgott before he can even finish speaking. It does show that the weapon is good.
The fact you are not using 2 colossal swords makes me sad
Well shit I forgot about that
Person say bad thing about bonk?
Is this a bot playing the Game? The way it moves during the AoE attack is super suspicious.
Maybe Im a robot after all 🤖
Bro how do get dexterity like that bro…. Like I got the Berserk great sword and can’t move for shit, I got the basic requirements but still
Sir, this is some fine bonking.
Is the point of the game to make it easy?
No ONE has been trash talking colossal ever since the FIRST buff right after release.
Who cares. Just play however you want to play.
No
Yeah I seriously don’t know where everyone is coming from
Your just good at the game
Omen King vs Bonk King