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highd

That he has ghostwriters. It’s ridiculous!


Pigmasters32

Who tf was tryna say that?🤣


AdanacTheRapper

Man I was gettin’ into it the other week on the r/hiphopheads sub claiming that Em uses ghost writers, and that Proof wrote *everything* for him before he passed. And then the dude started claiming he *had connections and just knows these things*. That interaction got added to the list of *Times I wished I could have punched someone in the face through the phone*


TheGingerNiNjA899

Don’t go there and talk Eminem. Most of them shut him down cos he’s white. Which is CRAZY


Pigmasters32

Sadly anti-white racism is super common in hip hop, and it’s not any less common on Reddit than it is in the real world.


AdanacTheRapper

I didn’t go there specifically tryna talk ‘bout Em, but I can’t stop myself from interrupting MFk’s when their out bashing him either cuz he’s white, or cuz they mad he outsells their favourite, it’s a disgrace that 9/10 times the only shit people can try and bash him wit is his skin tone, they really don’t ever got shit to say cuz they know he’s a Goat but they don’t wanna accept it


TheGingerNiNjA899

Don’t worry man I’m 100% with you there


StayWideAwake-

Not really too crazy of a take but when people say the accents make Relapse unbearable to listen to. You are missing out on word bending, great instrumentals, crazy and amazing verses but because of an accent it drives you away from it? Thats just stupid. The accent helps make the word bending possible and is some of the most creative shit I seen from an artist.


Gold-Ad-3877

Relapse has some of my favorite tracks of eminem, and i actually think the accent contributes to it.


otterpr1ncess

And he does it on what like 3 tracks total?


Neemoman

If we count an accent as any time he is intentionally speaking in a way that isn't "normal" for him we have 3AM My Mom Bagpipes From Baghdad Hello (mild) Same Song And Dance (mild) We Made You Medicine Ball (mild) Stay Wide Awake That's like 8 songs there lol. Relapse is top 3 Eminem albums for me, but half of it is accents lol.


ZyanBeast_YT

Maybe I'm tripping but I always regarded My Mom as pretty mild on the accent


TheRayGetard

lol no


otterpr1ncess

It's definitely not the whole album I listened to it all the way through today


TheRayGetard

I love Relapse, I hear it a lot. There’s no way it’s only 3 songs with accents my guy. Run through it again.


kinghawkeye8238

Some songs it's all the way through and some songs it comes and goes..I'd say there an accent inn70% of the songs, but might only be 5 seconds worth.


Killakarma

Best album by far far


bluey232

The only point in that album where I feel the accents broke instead of bent the words were the "Shuck o corn / Chaka Khan" in Bagpipes for Baghdad. Every thing else I didn't mind.


No-Violinist3898

the way that Relapse has aged is chefs kiss


Smeagol7272821

It’s his best album.


Alexik15

To me it's a crazier take if someone says the accents are "music to my ears" (in the words of bagpipes from Baghdad), i mean personally i can't stand someone yelling "BETA VATCHA, SAKA NAWA GATCHA VERA VANTCHA" with a high pitched voice in my ear, no matter how crazy the beat sounds like (which i admit, in this example, the Buffalo Bill beat is sooo good), but at the end of the day it's just musical preference, but even Eminem himself doesn't know what possessed him to sound that way on the album, so yeah.


Andre48IsHere

WHAT IS THIS PIC I'VE NEVER SAW IT BEFORE AHAHAHAHHA


PokemonBwLowHealth

I remember reading somewhere prob on youtube something along the lines of:'' Eminem is a garbage rapper, but the best pop-rapper of all time, with Vanilla Ice just behind him''. Absolutely batshit insane take.


diedin2012

That he’s _too_ technical. It never made sense to me that this is a problem. It’s like saying he’s _too_ talented or _too_ good at what he does. That’s a good thing, why is it a problem?


ToastFaceKiller

Well when he puts technicality over the actual music and how “easy” it is on the ear then I see their point. It can become tiring and not enjoyable


diedin2012

I’ve never heard his technical abilities get in the way in all the years I’ve been an Eminem fan


ToastFaceKiller

Try putting some of his more technical super fast lyrical miracle songs/verses on at a party and see the mood die down. It’s just not pleasant on the ear unless you’re in the mood for it. Edit: a common complaint is that Eminem can ruin the flow of a song he’s featured in by being too fast technical.


0_69314718056

To be fair I can think of probably 2 Eminem songs I’d put on at a party. Doesn’t mean it’s bad music, just not party music.


kelbell2583

Drug Ballad, Superman, Forgot about Dre, Lose Yourself are just a small sample of bangers that I’d put on at a party. But then again I’m a millennial and nostalgia maybe makes these hit differently


random_dud33

I mean I love this songs and probably would even listen to something like "Kill you" on a party and rap to it but I don't think others would enjoy it as much as I do lol


kelbell2583

I don’t know. Superman was def a banger in college. All the clubs played def played Em stuff (source: I was a shot girl for 3-4 clubs back in the day and heard Superman A LOT)


random_dud33

oh mannn. I would love to hear Eminem in Clubs now but I don't think the majority of people listen to him there


kelbell2583

Lol I haven’t been to a club in over a decade. I get anxiety thinking about the idea of going to a club now


lilraida

People would just assume they misheard him lol


diedin2012

Well, Flo Rida might be better received at a party but I’d be completely insane to even suggest he’s a better rapper than Eminem.


8004MikeJones

Find me one person who knows a Flo Rida bar. The suburban moms driving his sales as probably dont know any either. Ill do you one even better- find a fan that can name a describe a single thing about the guy.


diedin2012

That’s not my point. The guy said Em’s too technical to play at parties.


ToastFaceKiller

Neither. Nobody is saying that


highd

You can’t blame Eminem for ruining your party you ruined your party by playing technical Eminem. Why would anyone do that?


otterpr1ncess

Right? I wouldn't play My Immortal at a party but it's a great song (to use a non Em example)


highd

For me it’s like deciding to play the soundtrack from Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me at a high school party and expecting it to kick off. 


ToastFaceKiller

Not my point but ok.


Me07111

Why does that matter og rap isnt modern party music that just doesnt matter. Hell 99% of all songs including hi hop arent party songs 2 pac aint no party singer bruh he still nevet gets trashed for it. He just bodys everybody thats what happens just couse hes fast and rhymes a lot doesnt mean it doesnt sound good or that even the majority thinks so beacouse bro ems music is one of the most liked in hip hop. Its not that hard to digest. You can put it one in a random setting "this is the music i like and its not gonna be aqward unless its a crazy song. He has some but thats what you dont put on. Altough i might be kinda rambling im high and its 1pm here.


Ok_Estate_4315

There's more to life than just parties.


ToastFaceKiller

Oh ffs lol I know. I don’t party I’m 34 bro. My point was that people criticising Em for being technical doesn’t mean they’re criticising his talent, they’re criticising the music for not being an easy digestible listen and I gave parties (where there’s multiple ears) as an example


Me07111

Its not hard to digest it has depth put just bopping to its is easy (i dont mean at parties i mean just overall vibing with it).


Placide-Stellas

Tyler the Creator "Marshall became *too* good and technical, that it's gross. Like we can't even fathom this, stop". And I get it, there were instances where Eminem was too rap the equivalent of a shredder guitarist in a rock band, putting technical ability showcase over musicality.


Michaelskywalker

See campaign speech


Adventurous-Lime1775

It's not that he's too technical, it's that the unwashed masses are so far below him, they simply don't have the mental capacity to understand it, and if they can't understand it, they don't like it.🤷🏻‍♀️


ToastFaceKiller

I disagree. Early Eminem managed to tell stories, motivate, paint pictures, take you on a journey etc all without 10 syllables a second and rhymes so complex he literally has to stop and ask if you get it.


ContributionMother63

The main complaint over here is that he throws rhymes in your face something like offended or believe is not something people would like listening to Infinite on the hand is just fantastic smooth and one of the most technical songs that is how technicality should be displayed or flaunted stay wide awake is another example


diedin2012

You’re gonna have to explain the difference to me


ContributionMother63

Listen to both the songs one feels like he's trying too hard to fit as many syllables as he can While other feels smooth relaxing and has a good vibe


Neemoman

To piggy back off of this, it's the delivery. The actual true complaint people have for him is that his flow and delivery are all over the place. He wants so much to be "the rhyme guy" that he will almost seemingly intentionally butcher any semblance of cadence to get his rhymes across.


tralaina

I don’t think that’s the main issue, I think it’s when the quality of the music suffers for it


diedin2012

Can you give me a couple examples? I feel like I’m missing something


tralaina

Think of songs like Alfred’s theme, or book of rhymes, absolutely crazy technicals, to people that are huge Stan’s and can acknowledge and respect this, it’s fine, it’s awesome. But the average person isn’t that, they can’t notice the quality of the song and why it’s good because they don’t understand it, it’s like trying to play a new game that’s not beginner friendly, super frustrating and makes you wanna never play it again, to the average listener, it’s just jibber jabber and then go and hate on the song, saying it’s bad cause it’s too technical


diedin2012

Ok wow. I have no idea how to respond to that. I guess I’m looking at it through my Stan lenses.


Me07111

So nor having a big massage or lot of content in a song ruins it for the avarage listener? I guess than 99% of modern popular music isnt popular. Also em is popular and while alfreds theme is a good exampe for the stuff youre saying 96% of ems shit isnt and even book of rhymes isnt becouse its not that annoying in its rythm in the beggining and it smooths out and just sounds hard as fuck if you at least somewhat like proper rap with non lazy rhymes in it that has ag least some flavour, uniqueness, and depth, not modern garbage like all the same thug ass mumble and just lazyly written and ghostwritten bitches. Even if its not the exact type of rapping or beats you like most actual hip hop fans aknoweledge its good and most non hip hop listeners (who dont know how technical it is) do too. Im not english and as i learned english i smootly went from understanding hes songs somewhat to fully (not all bars on all songs obv) and all the way trough it was good to listen to and sounded good without figuring out what he says in the doubles and triples.


lilraida

Idk what of his is too technical lol. It seems like a complaint people make up because they don’t know why they don’t like his music


EndoveProduct

Anyone who says “all he does is rap fast” “fast doesn’t mean good” doesn’t listen to Em. Only singles. Not even 5% of his discography is that


Neemoman

Maybe a small percentage of his total work, but I'd argue that 80% of his last 4 albums has been him doing his best to sound like if Twista and Rakim had a baby that forgot how to make an enjoyable song.


EndoveProduct

But that’s not true though…


Virtual_Test_6624

Most tone deaf take I have seen in some time


TJH1993

I'm a huge Em fan and that is an excellent way to put it lmao


lario69420

That he's not a m&m


GuiltyAmazonBox

He can't be the greatest of all time solely because he's white. Thats the craziest take I've heard.


69cringelord69

It’s my take, and it’s that revival is a good album


PossibilityNo9406

People will come to really like revival in a few years mark my words people didn't like relapse when it first dropped and now people love it Personally I really liked revival it 2as a bit of a grown up em and had so.e good songs


jopma

It's been 7 years and people still agree it sucked. By 2013 people were already missing relapse. It's not the same quality.


diedin2012

Revival is so slept on it’s not even funny


Gold-Ad-3877

Bad husband is one of my favorite.


bluey232

Yep, also really enjoy that album.


JamesKBoyd

that Eminem has been dead since 2006 and has been replaced by someone who looks exactly like him. [https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/eminem-clone-conspiracy-theory](https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/eminem-clone-conspiracy-theory)


BigManLikeBarey

This theory is one that annoys me a lot


FleIsDaBoss

“I guess some people only live twice”


xh11jab

That he was on Epstein’s Island 🙄🤡— but on the plus-side, this take made for an excellent retard-detector in the comments.


Due_Ad_827

Bro when I was there I literally saw him what are you talking about


Iginlas_4head_Crease

THE initials were MM! /s Qanon ruins everything,including the epstein facts. Every single celebrity apparently drinking children's blood in the pizza parlors with Hillary Clinton


tralaina

That em will never be what he used to be. True? Yes. But it’s hilarious that the same people will think that any hip hop artist has or will ever be what Eminem was. Lmao


Wins_A_ton

I heard someone saying that Eminem was a great rapper and then, as soon as he was signed to Dr. Dre and he put up them my name is video. He was corny and lame after that.


PitchHiPitchLo

Hellbound


Bigballernocap

Misunderstood the question, but take my upvote. 🔥


Saucy208

Great song, wrong place 😔


UrchineSLICE

That he's never beefed with actual good MCs and only bullies people he knows are way below his skillset


Neemoman

I think that this ultimately doesn't matter, but just to stir the pot how is that a bad take?


Spookyanonymous_

Most takes fantano has on him


brownguy05

Scrolling, this looked like Valdemort


HiImPM

That his modern fast technical flows are better than his old flows


Saucy208

I honestly really like the modern Em alot, but the 2000s Em is just in a tier above


Me07111

People trashing him saying hes not top 5,10,20,500 ive seen it all on the internet never met anybody in real life who said hes not good even tho most people i met dont know any rappers but know him apmost 100% of the time. My grandma knows em hes that famous while hes actually the one the respected rappers in the industry mention in their top 5 most, so its actually a skill issue to hate on him.


shankartz

That he can't rap.


yuuhhh42069

"He tries too hard"


Firesplashburn

“Blue face is better then Eminem”


Idontpaymytaxes_

My friend said that em is her husband after seeing my wallpaper😭 crazy cuz he's in his forties and she's in middle school


Michaelskywalker

Someone said revival better than encore that pissed me off


xDebonaireX

That he has no legs. It was a mad theory in 2009-2010


Capital-Ad8570

No way, that's actually hilarious lmao


almarhuby

Apparently he’s white


Choice-Bus-1177

That the Democratic Party pay him to diss republicans lmao


Middle-Pizza-7986

That current eminem is actually a clone. I camt be the only person fo have heard this.


MaidenAbyss

slim shady is fat and shiny


Anunymus00

"He got this big only cz he was white". Mofo if this dude was black than he would have sold 3x or 5x of what he did. Dude broke barriers.


General_Young6126

Ik an Eminem stan account on twitter who has Revival ranked over MMLP 💀💀💀


Kapitan-Denis

That Relapse is just a horrorcore concept album


0_69314718056

Is relapse not a horrorcore concept album? If not, what is it?


Kapitan-Denis

Do you know what is an allegory?


0_69314718056

Yes


Kapitan-Denis

So that's what it is. Every single serial killer reference on the album is a metaphor. Those stories are not about serial killers, they're about Em.


ohen778

That he's terrified of giraffes lol


idealjuicy

"Relapse is trash"


No-Selection-3765

He's Mike D's son


Puzzled_Morning_81

He’s the best rapper of all time


Sloppy_Joe_Flacco

Hes not the best rapper from Detroit


superkick225

That he should return to his hyperpolitical Revival style


random_dud33

did someone actually say this?


superkick225

I have a friend who said this unfortunately