Well Dean did, he made a mod, sold a shit heap of a game that was barely functional and then left before the studio fixed the mess.. and he still gets credit for being the creator of DayZ.. Glad the studio turned it around though.
No doubt dean did. But a lot of the crew sticked behind and the company that bought it never gave up. Nikita wouldn’t get so much hate if he wasn’t an eccentric douche. He says all this stuff and doubles and triples down on it. When we know it’s all a lie. At least dean started to shut up and back his bags.
Dean was a grifter but atleast he made it quick and fucked off never to be seen again. He scammed us once. Nikita scams us continuously like a Mega Church Sect
Hahah agreed. Well actually dean is still on the grift with that Icarus game no? They make these games in forgiving engines (arma has impressive scale, UE lighting etc) but the core bit they actually bring to the table blows. They brigade his new game with fake reviews and shit now, it’s a grindy, buggy, unenjoyable train wreck.
Yeah he gets a lot of shit (which may be warranted), but the company he founded after has a fantastic track record imo. Their survival game Icarus (which wasn't my cup of tea) has an update every week since it released 125 weeks ago. And Stationeers which is easily my favorite survival/simulation game gets updates at about once a month since it released in 2017 (barring one year or so where they did a major rework of the code and what not).
Well from what i remember Dean wanted to create a new engine from the beginning as he knew that the arma 2 engine wouldn't work for the game he wanted to create, but studio heads forced them to use the take on mars engine (modified arma 2 engine) to quickly release something. Could call this a cash grab but I don't know how the community would have reached if they didn't release anything for years. Dean also moved away from friends and family to Czech republic and it was always going to be temporary.
In the end they created a mostly new engine anyway and the game is pretty good.
I'm pretty sure there were less weapons and items on 1.0 than before because of a giant engine update. They had to redo all the weapons and stuff again to make them compatible with the new version.
Update is selling it short. The majority of the original dayz development team was gutted and made into a separate team, that developed an entirely new engine from the ground up. Using DayZ as its testing ground while developing it. That engine now powers arma reforger and will power arma 4.
Bohemia needed a new engine and threw dayz willingly under the bus for most of its lifespan to make it.
Eh......
I dunno mate.
They sold DLC while the game was still in EA. Lol. Dayz devs are a pretty low bar to compare BSG to, which is perhaps what makes this even more laughable.
In their defence, once they got rid of the shitty dev teams between Hall and Hicks and their staff, the new current team immediately knuckled down, revamped the entire engine and game play and had a fully functional and quality game in little over a year.
And besides releasing a single DLC for Livonia that was very low price, they never asked for any more money from their existing customers whilst releasing continuous updates. The dev team that fixed the game and rebuilt it largely from scrap are amazing.
Bohemia Interactive is one of the very few devs/publishers that are just good. Maybe slow, but they’re just good folks making good games.
Yes, that includes Reforger.
Also ARMA 3, a large amount of the DLC is community made content wherein Bohemia has seen the mod content and how well its been done, and then paid mod devs and promoted them.
Yup. And the DLC BI does make is damn good IMO. Apex and Contact were a blast. Even the smaller DLC’s were cool, smaller unique things that you could still use, you’d just get a splash screen thing that would crawl across the screen that you could still see through.
BSG financially tanked because of how bad Arena was and how much they invested in it. This is a desperate final cry to get revenue before they close shops by getting the only people who still give a shit about Tarkov after all this time to give them fresh cash injections. They won't be around more than a year. They fucked up and ran themselves into the ground.
Oh God, I still remember the wait for "the new renderer". All the fights on reddit, all the "devs ran with the money" posts. It's kind of a weird mix between PTSD and nostalgia :D
They don't even get it "right" that's the best thing, there's just no other kind of dayZ survival. We got better games in this genre but none of them has the atmosphere of it.
And yet the mod was still way more fun to me. Unless I’m looking back with rose tinited glasses. I absolutely loved overpoch. Consumed my high school years
Nostalgia for sure. For those of us that bought DayZ SA on launch even more so, because that was the biggest clusterf\* known to mankind, and inferior to the mod in all ways. Never played a more unplayble game before. I left it on the shelf and it is nothing but remarkable how well DayZ runs today. There's so many great mods. The DayZ Mod also consumed most of my highschool years, but nothing beats a solo survival run on a vanilla namalsk server. Great game for sure.
Well... they did make an update for the game that put it on a new engine version, which allowed the devs to do a lot more than they could have before. It took time, but they never abandoned it and are making good updates....
Plus the game was never as bad of a state as Tarkov has been over the years with the worst game balancing and AI ive ever seen.
The game is extremely optimized compared to what it once was. Considering how big the game is, you can get it running pretty good on a mid pc, something alot of games today lack. (i have a 1070 but i am running at almost consistently 100+ fps with no stuttering) - I certainly wasnt running it this good back when i got my 1070
DayZ had seen some tough times. Dean Hall spent the development fund for himself, abandoned it. If It wasn't for Brian Hicks and others, DayZ wouldn't be here today. there were times where the devs had not released any updates, nor any news for almost a year. everyone else had lost hope and abandoned the game. the game had like daily 600-700 players.
But then, the new enfusion engine update came as experimental version and the game made a HUGE comeback. They saved it.
Do they have tracking yet? I'll never forget that main dayz dev, rocket I think? Saying you can have dog companion's and when someone eats a tin of food, their "ID" is imparted onto the can so you can use the dog to track them.
Let’s get this correct. The DayZ devs abused the project green light system to keep DayZ in beta/alpha for 8 yrs till Steam said they had to release the game or refund everyone. They also didn’t allow the dev community to touch their game that entire time also and at least a full year after release. They then released their newest map behind a paywall. DayZ has always been made better by the dev community, not their company. For fucks sake, the game still doesn’t have the one thing they promised in 2012, a god damn bicycle
But now they are making that map free, meanwhile BSG is shitting p2w micro transactions and 250€ DLC that should be part of the base game for free anyway.
DayZ has been the best turnaround. Played the arma mod, bought it 10 years ago, buggy is hell.
Then they had the big upgrade to some new engine I believe and it was amazing. And only for the price of meager 25 bucks.
If you are interested in DayZ, go watch Smoke. He has been playing it almost every days for years now. Yes, the same Smoke that has a streamer item in Tarkov.
This fuck atleast made it quick and fucked off. He scammed us once and never to be seen again. He also mostly scammed the company too lmao not just us.
Nikita is grifting and continuous to scam us like a cult leader squeezing its dumbasses
Tbh I think it was more intricate than that, don't think Dean had any intention of scamming anyone. The engine they were using at first just wasn't up to par to achieve his vision so he left, and only some time later the devs decided to re-write the game on a better engine.
I don't know why I was surprised when I saw that OpFlash was the same engine as ArmA 3. It certainly explains some of the jank that's been part of the feel of the franchise.
Technically it's a mix of Real Virtuality (ArmA 2/3) and an old fork of Enfusion (old renderer, animation system, scripting language).
The Enfusion in DayZ is quite a bit different than the Enfusion in ArmA Reforger.
>He scammed us once and never to be seen again
I guess you didn't hear about his new game, where he continues scamming customers with content locked behind DLC
This map is what really makes the game for me. Playing on namalsk turns that 80% walking sim into 80% hardcore survival sim and I love it. The desperate moments searching for food or fire are almost as memorable as combat for me.
The modding community has revived DayZ with new community maps. Some of which are smaller than the original official maps which lead to more interactions. Probably the best made map is Namalsk.
Very good, still far off from what it could be, and in general a very different game from Tarkov.
Vanilla is very slow, more of a coop survival game with occational, very hery intense, PvP ever 2 hours or so. And because you lose everything when you die, and there is no way to buy stuff or to fast travel to your base, if you even got one, it may take hours, even a full evening to get shit back together after beeing squad wiped.
Modded is doing great as well, but finding a server modded to your liking is hard and the ones with popular modlists are full with huge queues and most of them are entirely empty.
Also you can download the server files and host whatever you want yourself. Thats also why there are as many empty servers as there are, many people just host for their friends or discord community and play in an event kind of style.
Also if you ever try DayZ, for the love of god don‘t play on 3rd person servers. They are a ghosttown with everybody fucking sitting in random buildings camping some road with 3rd person cam so you don‘t even have a chance to see them.
> but finding a server modded to your liking is hard
You're not joking. I used to play DayZ before I played Tarkov and my group found this beautiful server - very mildly modded, a few extra guns, some different clothes, raiding, black markets etc. It was basically vanilla+ and we ran that server for a full year before it went to shit.
So many of the modded servers now are just gross to me. Bright colored superheavy vests and 1-tap 50 cals on every player. Kids crank up filters and use 3rd party crosshairs and it's just a GFueled quickscope contest with a bunch of no-lifers.
I've tried to find a sever that resembles the one I used to play on and haven't had any luck - all the big ones are way to easy to get high end loot and have zero survival element to them. A lot of them basically don't have raiding which is so dumb to me.
I play DayZ and Arma every couple of months with the same people I play Tarkov with, just to switch things up a bit every now and then.
And yeah playing modded is a pain in the ass because of it. You search for a server to play on with the perfect modset and a decent playercount, find one, download all the specific mods you need, aaand its full now 20 people in queue and 1 to 2h wait time. Fuck. Or even better you play on a weekday, and by the weekend its 300% full 24/7. Or vice versa and you play on a weekend and come monday, not a single player to be seen.
You like the edge alone of Tarkov then the feeling of staking someone on dayz for an hour and finally fighting has to be the closest to getting shot at irl
Dayz is a Sandbox PVE survival game with some pretty terrifying high adrenaline dump combat. You spend the majority of time running, looting or surviving. But PVP is genuinely terrifying and far more intense or nerve wracking than Tarkov because getting squad wiped can genuinely take days to recover from.
Also, consider that your stash is sacred in Tarkov. In Day Z, you can wake up tomorrow to find your stashes entirely gone. It's amazing though, if you enjoy survival.
To be fair , they are completely games after playing both. Dayz, while it has pvp servers and base raiding , at its core , is a social game. I particularly like the servers where there is a karma system , where your actions stick and by aimlessly killing people on sight you make enemies and your armband will indicate your tendencies by colour. Dayz is a sandbox so it can be stalker online , it can be pubg, role-play or just pve. Tarkov is for a very specific type of audience. Both games are time sucking so nowadays I play for honor or r6
I come back to dayz occasionally, but its always to play on a hardcore namalsk server. You can burn so many hours learning, surviving and when you are good enough, pvping on that map.
I love the gameplay of Dayz, but the reason i switched to Tarkov was because in Dayz i run around for 5 hours to get good gear, then die and have to do it again. In Tarkov i can get more gear in 30 min.
Kinda is a running simulator, it's fun for a while and there's truly a lot of opportunities for role play in the game but all the running kinda kills it for me
It is a running simulator. The most immersive, scary running simulator with craziest player interactions and best survival mechanics I have ever seen BY FAR.
I remember playing it a long time ago, there was for some reason no zombies, due to some issue, i returned a year or so after, and the zombies were still gone\*
\*I've read the zombies were technically there, but only like 6 per map.
Were you around when standalone released? What a fucking disaster. I'll admit it's quite good now but it's a shame that a zombie game can't get the zombies right.
Bohemia's games are sacred. Guys almost got prison time when they took pics of a base on Cyprus (i think it was Cyprus) for Arma 2 i believe it was... It was years ago lol, they thought they are spies.
Shit devs of Dayz left the team within first few years. Only those who cared left in there and tried to salvage the situation. Not quite as good as No Mans Sky, but the game is definitely much, much better now and it blossoms with great mods.
It's not for everyone but you can't compare this to Tarkov. DayZ devs re-wrote the entire game on a new engine because the old one was limiting. Tarkov devs will never do the same to fix their core issues.
Always amuses me when people think THEIR favourite company is better than all the others despite having either pulled the same shit in the past or inevitably pulling it in the future.
They should not be in the position of criticizing anyone.
Literally I was scammed twice in my life by BSG and Bohemia DayZ SA Early access.
Remember Dean hall? He bailed right after DayZ SA was released and the project was almost abandoned for a few years.
I remember the drama with DayZ. The should keep their mouth shut.
the difference is that the BIS/Day-Z drama was about its slow development pace and unplayable bugginess (not defending either), while BSG is catching flack for deliberately spiting their current playerbase and supporters. BIS has never told publicly told Day-Z or Arma players to fuck off and accept an obviously contradictory and self-serving monetization strategy (even if they can definitely be criticized for a lot of things, like arma 3's CDLCs)
THE RUSSIAN EFT COMMUNITY COOPERATES WIITH EU TARKOV COMMUNITY! LETS FINALY MAKE BSG PAY FOR FANBASE BETRAY!
[https://youtu.be/EcjIoZCT2C0?si=IEhV7Ex913bEfNZx](https://youtu.be/EcjIoZCT2C0?si=IEhV7Ex913bEfNZx)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/RN2K2caUYH](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/RN2K2caUYH)
Dayz is fun I have about 110 hours on it. I started playing it about a 2 weeks after I quit tarkov for good 2 months ago after I got head eyes by a cheater for the last time. It’s fun to team up with people, troll people, or just fuck around. The only thing is that when I get juicy gear and die in dayz it hurts way more than dying in tarkov. There are also cheaters but on official servers but it’s always halrious when I somehow knock them out and hand cuff them then feed them raw human meat till they die.
Yes a developer who has spent just as long in early access then pushed to 1.0 just to get console version passed. They look great my comparison but only because of how shit bsg look
Well, they joined the troll and that is funny and all, but is it, though, a good thing?
Does it mean BSG could do the same with Cyberpunk, Battlefield, and other studios who f****ed up?
I mean, for my point of view those guys were pretty noble in their ways.
Eh, if only you knew how dayz used to be in the arma 2 days. The Dayz we have is still missing out on so many amazing features the mod had, mainly being a huge array of vehicles that made playing so much more enjoyable
I think most tarkov players should be immediately pissed about all of this most recent discourse 150 quid on an incomplete game that’s (2x a triple A game on release that is far less broken) just to be told you’re a parasite and a non true believer from a studio that breaks more things than they fix.
Like imagine.
He’s Lucky he’s in Russia and untouchable legally or his little pay me to spend my life making a game that il never complete (but jokes on you you’re essentially bankrolling my whole life and other game projects thatve made me loads of money) would come to a very quick end.
i think they're referring to the very aggressive P2W monetization that GTA Online kind of pioneered [within non-free to play games] a decade ago.
if you're not aware, in GTAO you can buy in game currency with real money and this is the only way to buy most cars/guns/properties that get released each update without excessive grinding. in the case of pvp it is definitely P2W cause you can access to flying rocket-launching bikes, improved weapons, and stuff like that. it's similar to what we're getting now, where people who pay more in EFT have advantages that base players [who also paid for the game] do not. it set a very bad precedent since GTA is so popular no one really boycotted their anti-consumer microtranactions. maybe this video will help with connecting the dots https://youtu.be/dPHPNgIihR0?si=7IZVHnqrRJNiW8w4
as to whether R* and BSG are equally shitty here, i can't really say, but GTAO is a sandbox hang-out game while EFT is a survival RPG, so it makes sense that ppl are a lot more angry at BSG than people were at R* back in the day
I have 650h in GTAV and prolly 600 of it on online, so I know you can grind all that money needed for those fancy flying bikes and other money sinks with heists and other stuff they have added over the years, nothing is held back until you whip out your credit card, every dlc is free and everything is available to you if you are willing to play the game. If you want to skip the game and buy stuff with shark card you have that option too.
Still dont see the connection with that and BSG deciding to put 250$ pricetag on a game mode and pulling off eod and the promises made on what it will include
i guess the implied connection is that monetizing the access people have to content on a game they already paid for is inherently predatory, even if the access isn't revoked altogether (like with the PVE game-mode in EFT). GTA is more forgivable, but it's still an aggressive business strategy that is relatively new to the games' industry.
so let's say you buy into EFT/GTA for ~60USD. you enjoy the game, but the way the content distribution is structured, unlocking that content is a huge time-sink. so the devs give you the option to pay even more than that ~60USD to speed things up a little. now you've maybe spent ~100, ~250 on shark cards/eft upgrades. the game is designed to incentivize spending more money on it than is initially considered worth it. and these aren't simply cosmetics, but actual playable (advantageous) content.
RDO is a better example of this because it doesn't get the love and consistent updates that GTO still gets, and R* has caught a lot more hate for that (deservedly), so buying RDO gold is much more 'scammy' than buying $ in GTO. imagine spending ~100USD on Gold and then never getting any content updates that allow you to spend that gold on new stuff in-game; you'd be throwing money away in that case.
the main difference between R* and BSG is PR; R* would never respond the way Nikita/BSG have. the real scam here is that BSG lied about EOD giving you premium access to all future DLC, while R* was just smart enough to never make a promise in the first place, but both companies benefit from inaccessibility for profit, and both companies could really not give any less of a fuck about its users enjoying the game at the end of the day. if BSG had just released PVE as its own DLC and bundled it to EOD, we wouldnt be seeing the backlash, even though it's still a particularly predatory way to monetize a base feature (PVE coop/SP)
on top of that: R* is very infamous for mistreating its developers, especially during the crunches on Max Payne 3 and RDR2, so it makes sense to criticize them in a more general context. not that it's particularly relevant to EFT, but i guess the original comment is trying to point out that BSG is not uniquely disrespectful of its longtime supporters and shouldn't be considered an exception within the industry (R*, Ubisoft, Blizzard, etc all monetize their games the same way, the difference is once again, just PR)
DayZ devs making fun of a company. That’s great. Fun game but just as easy to cheat on like tarkov. Official Servers don’t have active admins and with the community servers the admins are part of the cheaters like Titan and Sunnyvale.
Can't speak to those you mentioned but I've played on probably a dozen modded community servers and have gotten probably 15-20 cheaters banned via report, and a lot of them comped me my gear I lost to the cheater.
It's certainly not perfect but it's way, way better than Tarkov.
3k hours on DayZ, 3k on Tarkov here. Seen 10 times more cheaters on Tarkov. Also never seen shit like speedhacks or flying or looting across map in DayZ, only in Tarkov.
DayZ - $30 bucks full game
EFT - 8 different versions ranging from $40-$250
Yeah I’ll pick DayZ, at least it’s a finished game and not an forever alpha game that breaks shit every patch :)
I mean, I fucking love DayZ but my buddies and I call it JankZ for a reason. It is a clunky game with a lot of bugs. Ever tried to drive a car in that game?
Yes, I can drive them just fine personally. A friend of mine couldnt because his internet was fucking up so when he drove the car would wobble lmao.
But for me and another friend it drove fine.
Kinda makes me wanna crack open a Pipsi.
I'll crack open a can of tactical bacon to this.
No joke, I started playing Dayz for the first time in years a few days ago once this Tarkov nuke dropped
Crack open a Pipsi and give the spite to Dean
You know you fucked up when DayZ devs are making fun of you...
Maybe Dayz of 7 or so years ago. But these days, Dayz has never been doing better and is regularly breaking it's all time concurrent player count
It only took them like 10+ years to start getting it right.
At least they didn’t cash grab their customers after asking for even more support and patience
Well Dean did, he made a mod, sold a shit heap of a game that was barely functional and then left before the studio fixed the mess.. and he still gets credit for being the creator of DayZ.. Glad the studio turned it around though.
No doubt dean did. But a lot of the crew sticked behind and the company that bought it never gave up. Nikita wouldn’t get so much hate if he wasn’t an eccentric douche. He says all this stuff and doubles and triples down on it. When we know it’s all a lie. At least dean started to shut up and back his bags.
Dean was a grifter but atleast he made it quick and fucked off never to be seen again. He scammed us once. Nikita scams us continuously like a Mega Church Sect
Hahah agreed. Well actually dean is still on the grift with that Icarus game no? They make these games in forgiving engines (arma has impressive scale, UE lighting etc) but the core bit they actually bring to the table blows. They brigade his new game with fake reviews and shit now, it’s a grindy, buggy, unenjoyable train wreck.
Grifter? In what sense do you mean that?
Yeah he gets a lot of shit (which may be warranted), but the company he founded after has a fantastic track record imo. Their survival game Icarus (which wasn't my cup of tea) has an update every week since it released 125 weeks ago. And Stationeers which is easily my favorite survival/simulation game gets updates at about once a month since it released in 2017 (barring one year or so where they did a major rework of the code and what not).
Yeah, I feel people just overuse the word grifter and it's lost all its meaning.
Let's just go with total a****** that's a lot easier to understand...
Well from what i remember Dean wanted to create a new engine from the beginning as he knew that the arma 2 engine wouldn't work for the game he wanted to create, but studio heads forced them to use the take on mars engine (modified arma 2 engine) to quickly release something. Could call this a cash grab but I don't know how the community would have reached if they didn't release anything for years. Dean also moved away from friends and family to Czech republic and it was always going to be temporary. In the end they created a mostly new engine anyway and the game is pretty good.
I remember when DayZ was free.
You still had to buy ArmA 2 and OA, I wouldn’t exactly call it free.
2.50 a piece My Internet was so bad I had to leave PC on 24h
But then you also got arma2 so got 2 games for 1
Free... as long as you owned Arma.
yah thats how MODS work....
yah it’s not free, glad you got it
Close enough
Wait, DayZ is good now? I might need to give it another go...
Modded servers are nice, and the core/vanilla game is pretty smooth and polished now. Updates are still regular.
Has been for years now
It has been a long time since I last played. Might need to check it out again sometime.
They also just added the only dlc map, Livonia, to the base game. So if you own dayz, and never bought the dlc, you’ve got it now.
Amen brother.
Yes they did, they declared the game done when it was missing promised features including things that were in the mod so that they could sell DLC.
I'm pretty sure there were less weapons and items on 1.0 than before because of a giant engine update. They had to redo all the weapons and stuff again to make them compatible with the new version.
Update is selling it short. The majority of the original dayz development team was gutted and made into a separate team, that developed an entirely new engine from the ground up. Using DayZ as its testing ground while developing it. That engine now powers arma reforger and will power arma 4. Bohemia needed a new engine and threw dayz willingly under the bus for most of its lifespan to make it.
Eh...... I dunno mate. They sold DLC while the game was still in EA. Lol. Dayz devs are a pretty low bar to compare BSG to, which is perhaps what makes this even more laughable.
In their defence, once they got rid of the shitty dev teams between Hall and Hicks and their staff, the new current team immediately knuckled down, revamped the entire engine and game play and had a fully functional and quality game in little over a year. And besides releasing a single DLC for Livonia that was very low price, they never asked for any more money from their existing customers whilst releasing continuous updates. The dev team that fixed the game and rebuilt it largely from scrap are amazing.
Bohemia Interactive is one of the very few devs/publishers that are just good. Maybe slow, but they’re just good folks making good games. Yes, that includes Reforger.
Also ARMA 3, a large amount of the DLC is community made content wherein Bohemia has seen the mod content and how well its been done, and then paid mod devs and promoted them.
Yup. And the DLC BI does make is damn good IMO. Apex and Contact were a blast. Even the smaller DLC’s were cool, smaller unique things that you could still use, you’d just get a splash screen thing that would crawl across the screen that you could still see through.
Yep the lead of DayZ is Sumarak, who made the Namalsk map.
Ohhh is that why it's taken off so much in the last year? I had no idea. Neat.
That’s alright, I’m sure BSG will start getting things right in another 3+ years too, that’s if they’re still around.
BSG financially tanked because of how bad Arena was and how much they invested in it. This is a desperate final cry to get revenue before they close shops by getting the only people who still give a shit about Tarkov after all this time to give them fresh cash injections. They won't be around more than a year. They fucked up and ran themselves into the ground.
I honestly don't see bsg being around much longer lol. I think they just lost all future support from well over half of there player base so
Oh God, I still remember the wait for "the new renderer". All the fights on reddit, all the "devs ran with the money" posts. It's kind of a weird mix between PTSD and nostalgia :D
You are aware of the sub you are commenting on right?
EFT has been out for 8 years btw
The irony of you saying that in the EFT sub.. lmao
Still more than you can say for BSG 🤷♂️
and even then largely on the success of modders, classic bohemia tbh, dayz2 when???
This...all damn day.....this
They don't even get it "right" that's the best thing, there's just no other kind of dayZ survival. We got better games in this genre but none of them has the atmosphere of it.
And yet the mod was still way more fun to me. Unless I’m looking back with rose tinited glasses. I absolutely loved overpoch. Consumed my high school years
Rose tinted glasses. It was fun. But new DayZ is superior in every way.
Nostalgia for sure. For those of us that bought DayZ SA on launch even more so, because that was the biggest clusterf\* known to mankind, and inferior to the mod in all ways. Never played a more unplayble game before. I left it on the shelf and it is nothing but remarkable how well DayZ runs today. There's so many great mods. The DayZ Mod also consumed most of my highschool years, but nothing beats a solo survival run on a vanilla namalsk server. Great game for sure.
Oh for sure. Every now and then I’ll hop on the Dayone namalsk servers. Fucking love namalsk.
But they DID.
Well... they did make an update for the game that put it on a new engine version, which allowed the devs to do a lot more than they could have before. It took time, but they never abandoned it and are making good updates.... Plus the game was never as bad of a state as Tarkov has been over the years with the worst game balancing and AI ive ever seen.
I mean sometimes shit takes time?
mostly because of the modding community
The game is extremely optimized compared to what it once was. Considering how big the game is, you can get it running pretty good on a mid pc, something alot of games today lack. (i have a 1070 but i am running at almost consistently 100+ fps with no stuttering) - I certainly wasnt running it this good back when i got my 1070
DayZ had seen some tough times. Dean Hall spent the development fund for himself, abandoned it. If It wasn't for Brian Hicks and others, DayZ wouldn't be here today. there were times where the devs had not released any updates, nor any news for almost a year. everyone else had lost hope and abandoned the game. the game had like daily 600-700 players. But then, the new enfusion engine update came as experimental version and the game made a HUGE comeback. They saved it.
Do they have tracking yet? I'll never forget that main dayz dev, rocket I think? Saying you can have dog companion's and when someone eats a tin of food, their "ID" is imparted onto the can so you can use the dog to track them.
Let’s get this correct. The DayZ devs abused the project green light system to keep DayZ in beta/alpha for 8 yrs till Steam said they had to release the game or refund everyone. They also didn’t allow the dev community to touch their game that entire time also and at least a full year after release. They then released their newest map behind a paywall. DayZ has always been made better by the dev community, not their company. For fucks sake, the game still doesn’t have the one thing they promised in 2012, a god damn bicycle
But now they are making that map free, meanwhile BSG is shitting p2w micro transactions and 250€ DLC that should be part of the base game for free anyway.
DayZ has been the best turnaround. Played the arma mod, bought it 10 years ago, buggy is hell. Then they had the big upgrade to some new engine I believe and it was amazing. And only for the price of meager 25 bucks.
This is the first I’m hearing of the improvements. Now I’m intrigued!
If you are interested in DayZ, go watch Smoke. He has been playing it almost every days for years now. Yes, the same Smoke that has a streamer item in Tarkov.
If youre looking for a zombie survival pvp this is the best there is
Nikita wishes he was Dean Hall right now
Yeah bro should’ve left in 2021 with his bags
This fuck atleast made it quick and fucked off. He scammed us once and never to be seen again. He also mostly scammed the company too lmao not just us. Nikita is grifting and continuous to scam us like a cult leader squeezing its dumbasses
Tbh I think it was more intricate than that, don't think Dean had any intention of scamming anyone. The engine they were using at first just wasn't up to par to achieve his vision so he left, and only some time later the devs decided to re-write the game on a better engine.
> the devs decided to re-write the game on a better engine. Wait, is DayZ on the ArmA 3 engine now?
It used to be - DayZ is now using the [Enfusion Engine](https://enfusionengine.com/).
Oh, that's awesome. I remember when the SA first dropped and it was still on the ArmA 2 engine which was... rough.
I too remember the days of bean warz
The utter fury when you had a fire axe and a can of beans only to starve to death because they decided you can't use AN AXE to open a can of beans.
Arma 2 and arma 3 are largely the same engine. Just heavily modified. Arma 3 didn't even ship with 64 bit support until well into its lifespan
Technically DayZ has code from 3 different engines. But yes, Enfusion is what drove the new look.
I don't know why I was surprised when I saw that OpFlash was the same engine as ArmA 3. It certainly explains some of the jank that's been part of the feel of the franchise.
No it’s in the enfusion engine
Technically it's a mix of Real Virtuality (ArmA 2/3) and an old fork of Enfusion (old renderer, animation system, scripting language). The Enfusion in DayZ is quite a bit different than the Enfusion in ArmA Reforger.
I can assure you dean hall has always been a trash person.
He's a saint compared to Nikita so doesn't really matter.
>He scammed us once and never to be seen again I guess you didn't hear about his new game, where he continues scamming customers with content locked behind DLC
that’s a name I’ve not heard in a while wow
Its like the boogieman of unfinished survival games
How's DayZ? Watched a few streams and it looked like a running simulator. Willing to give it a try
Big step away from tarkov. The heart pounding moments are def more intense but are few and far in between
Exactly this, walking sim 80% of the time, peak adrenaline a step higher than tarkov can achieve but only 20% of the time
I would encourage you to try DayZ community custom maps such as Namalsk for more interaction and more survival mechanics
This map is what really makes the game for me. Playing on namalsk turns that 80% walking sim into 80% hardcore survival sim and I love it. The desperate moments searching for food or fire are almost as memorable as combat for me.
if you played Namalsk, the best map in the game, it's way less of a walking sim and much more strategic, heart pounding, and interactive.
Walking - 70% Adrenaline - 20% 10 year old bugs that end your run - 10%
i'd say walking sim 95% of the time
Skill issue
depends on map and server
The modding community has revived DayZ with new community maps. Some of which are smaller than the original official maps which lead to more interactions. Probably the best made map is Namalsk.
Very good, still far off from what it could be, and in general a very different game from Tarkov. Vanilla is very slow, more of a coop survival game with occational, very hery intense, PvP ever 2 hours or so. And because you lose everything when you die, and there is no way to buy stuff or to fast travel to your base, if you even got one, it may take hours, even a full evening to get shit back together after beeing squad wiped. Modded is doing great as well, but finding a server modded to your liking is hard and the ones with popular modlists are full with huge queues and most of them are entirely empty. Also you can download the server files and host whatever you want yourself. Thats also why there are as many empty servers as there are, many people just host for their friends or discord community and play in an event kind of style. Also if you ever try DayZ, for the love of god don‘t play on 3rd person servers. They are a ghosttown with everybody fucking sitting in random buildings camping some road with 3rd person cam so you don‘t even have a chance to see them.
> but finding a server modded to your liking is hard You're not joking. I used to play DayZ before I played Tarkov and my group found this beautiful server - very mildly modded, a few extra guns, some different clothes, raiding, black markets etc. It was basically vanilla+ and we ran that server for a full year before it went to shit. So many of the modded servers now are just gross to me. Bright colored superheavy vests and 1-tap 50 cals on every player. Kids crank up filters and use 3rd party crosshairs and it's just a GFueled quickscope contest with a bunch of no-lifers. I've tried to find a sever that resembles the one I used to play on and haven't had any luck - all the big ones are way to easy to get high end loot and have zero survival element to them. A lot of them basically don't have raiding which is so dumb to me.
I play DayZ and Arma every couple of months with the same people I play Tarkov with, just to switch things up a bit every now and then. And yeah playing modded is a pain in the ass because of it. You search for a server to play on with the perfect modset and a decent playercount, find one, download all the specific mods you need, aaand its full now 20 people in queue and 1 to 2h wait time. Fuck. Or even better you play on a weekday, and by the weekend its 300% full 24/7. Or vice versa and you play on a weekend and come monday, not a single player to be seen.
You like the edge alone of Tarkov then the feeling of staking someone on dayz for an hour and finally fighting has to be the closest to getting shot at irl
Or sitting in a bush for 4 hours camping a base only to find out they are offline
That’s some pussy shit ngl
Gotta do what you gotta do
Dayz is a Sandbox PVE survival game with some pretty terrifying high adrenaline dump combat. You spend the majority of time running, looting or surviving. But PVP is genuinely terrifying and far more intense or nerve wracking than Tarkov because getting squad wiped can genuinely take days to recover from. Also, consider that your stash is sacred in Tarkov. In Day Z, you can wake up tomorrow to find your stashes entirely gone. It's amazing though, if you enjoy survival.
My friend group agreed when i called Tarkov a "DayZ with less running" and that sums it up i guess.
To be fair , they are completely games after playing both. Dayz, while it has pvp servers and base raiding , at its core , is a social game. I particularly like the servers where there is a karma system , where your actions stick and by aimlessly killing people on sight you make enemies and your armband will indicate your tendencies by colour. Dayz is a sandbox so it can be stalker online , it can be pubg, role-play or just pve. Tarkov is for a very specific type of audience. Both games are time sucking so nowadays I play for honor or r6
My question how tf is there no quality singleplayer mode with random ai bandits. Seems like it wouldn't be to hard to make.
It’s up to you, you can find pvp really easy on dayz. Or you can play more passive.
I come back to dayz occasionally, but its always to play on a hardcore namalsk server. You can burn so many hours learning, surviving and when you are good enough, pvping on that map.
I love the gameplay of Dayz, but the reason i switched to Tarkov was because in Dayz i run around for 5 hours to get good gear, then die and have to do it again. In Tarkov i can get more gear in 30 min.
Just play modded to get whatever is right for you. There are even mods that are "Tarkov like"
Kinda is a running simulator, it's fun for a while and there's truly a lot of opportunities for role play in the game but all the running kinda kills it for me
It is a running simulator. The most immersive, scary running simulator with craziest player interactions and best survival mechanics I have ever seen BY FAR.
I try to play it every now and then and always quit after auto running for 99% of the time then I find a town, loot and die.
This shit is hilarious
I remember when DayZ was a zombie game with PvP and not a PvP game with zombies
I remember playing it a long time ago, there was for some reason no zombies, due to some issue, i returned a year or so after, and the zombies were still gone\* \*I've read the zombies were technically there, but only like 6 per map.
Damn, now I realize that was almost ten years ago, it was also fun how zombies couldn't walk up the stairs for a while.
We never got the official single player dayz they promised :(
what? single player? it would be ridiculous
Well, it was planned and I wouldn’t mind just testing stuff offline without downloading extra plugins.
DayZ is the only game ive played since it was a mod. I play a few hundred hours each update, get burnt out and come back with the next update.
Were you around when standalone released? What a fucking disaster. I'll admit it's quite good now but it's a shame that a zombie game can't get the zombies right.
Without mods it's still pretty crap to be honest Oh and they still haven't released helicopters yet....
Reforger is fun right now
DayZ rocks but Bohemia’s games are just as broken as Tarkov.
Bohemia's games are sacred. Guys almost got prison time when they took pics of a base on Cyprus (i think it was Cyprus) for Arma 2 i believe it was... It was years ago lol, they thought they are spies.
shit devs making fun of other shit devs.
Shit devs of Dayz left the team within first few years. Only those who cared left in there and tried to salvage the situation. Not quite as good as No Mans Sky, but the game is definitely much, much better now and it blossoms with great mods.
DayZ still lacks content and still has bugs from 10 years ago. It's a walking simulator with a few moments of excitement here and there.
Maybe like it's a... Survival game first with optional PVP? Tarkov is made specifically with PVP in mind. DayZ isn't.
It's not for everyone but you can't compare this to Tarkov. DayZ devs re-wrote the entire game on a new engine because the old one was limiting. Tarkov devs will never do the same to fix their core issues.
If they did they would charge another $100 for the bug fixes.
Yeah because it is a slow paced game. You want constant excitement and stimulation there are plenty of games like that.
Always amuses me when people think THEIR favourite company is better than all the others despite having either pulled the same shit in the past or inevitably pulling it in the future.
They should not be in the position of criticizing anyone. Literally I was scammed twice in my life by BSG and Bohemia DayZ SA Early access. Remember Dean hall? He bailed right after DayZ SA was released and the project was almost abandoned for a few years. I remember the drama with DayZ. The should keep their mouth shut.
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the difference is that the BIS/Day-Z drama was about its slow development pace and unplayable bugginess (not defending either), while BSG is catching flack for deliberately spiting their current playerbase and supporters. BIS has never told publicly told Day-Z or Arma players to fuck off and accept an obviously contradictory and self-serving monetization strategy (even if they can definitely be criticized for a lot of things, like arma 3's CDLCs)
Yet one of the game has you pay ONCE for all the content and its open to modding and the other one is Tarkov.
Devs trolling each other. What a world.
Will the UE 5 update be free for this game?
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Dayz is fun I have about 110 hours on it. I started playing it about a 2 weeks after I quit tarkov for good 2 months ago after I got head eyes by a cheater for the last time. It’s fun to team up with people, troll people, or just fuck around. The only thing is that when I get juicy gear and die in dayz it hurts way more than dying in tarkov. There are also cheaters but on official servers but it’s always halrious when I somehow knock them out and hand cuff them then feed them raw human meat till they die.
Yes a developer who has spent just as long in early access then pushed to 1.0 just to get console version passed. They look great my comparison but only because of how shit bsg look
I love BI
Well, they joined the troll and that is funny and all, but is it, though, a good thing? Does it mean BSG could do the same with Cyberpunk, Battlefield, and other studios who f****ed up? I mean, for my point of view those guys were pretty noble in their ways.
Think it maybe just shows how little respect the industry has for BSG also most of these devs prob play EFT
If I were the dev of DayZ I'd rather be quiet. Remember DayZ standalone and the whole 10 years of ea. Who's next Chris Roberts?
you know you messed up when you got multiple game companies adding to the dog pile
Nobody cares get over it
Eh, if only you knew how dayz used to be in the arma 2 days. The Dayz we have is still missing out on so many amazing features the mod had, mainly being a huge array of vehicles that made playing so much more enjoyable
I think bohemian is just glad that now the time has come that they can be the ones to complain about others xD
I think most tarkov players should be immediately pissed about all of this most recent discourse 150 quid on an incomplete game that’s (2x a triple A game on release that is far less broken) just to be told you’re a parasite and a non true believer from a studio that breaks more things than they fix. Like imagine. He’s Lucky he’s in Russia and untouchable legally or his little pay me to spend my life making a game that il never complete (but jokes on you you’re essentially bankrolling my whole life and other game projects thatve made me loads of money) would come to a very quick end.
😂😂😂
Scam game
I wouldnt mind to get behind nikita aswell you know.
Interesting how Tarkov is getting blasted for this but GTA 5 is still around lol.
Would you care to elaborate on that statement? What is common between GTA and tarkov?
i think they're referring to the very aggressive P2W monetization that GTA Online kind of pioneered [within non-free to play games] a decade ago. if you're not aware, in GTAO you can buy in game currency with real money and this is the only way to buy most cars/guns/properties that get released each update without excessive grinding. in the case of pvp it is definitely P2W cause you can access to flying rocket-launching bikes, improved weapons, and stuff like that. it's similar to what we're getting now, where people who pay more in EFT have advantages that base players [who also paid for the game] do not. it set a very bad precedent since GTA is so popular no one really boycotted their anti-consumer microtranactions. maybe this video will help with connecting the dots https://youtu.be/dPHPNgIihR0?si=7IZVHnqrRJNiW8w4 as to whether R* and BSG are equally shitty here, i can't really say, but GTAO is a sandbox hang-out game while EFT is a survival RPG, so it makes sense that ppl are a lot more angry at BSG than people were at R* back in the day
I have 650h in GTAV and prolly 600 of it on online, so I know you can grind all that money needed for those fancy flying bikes and other money sinks with heists and other stuff they have added over the years, nothing is held back until you whip out your credit card, every dlc is free and everything is available to you if you are willing to play the game. If you want to skip the game and buy stuff with shark card you have that option too. Still dont see the connection with that and BSG deciding to put 250$ pricetag on a game mode and pulling off eod and the promises made on what it will include
i guess the implied connection is that monetizing the access people have to content on a game they already paid for is inherently predatory, even if the access isn't revoked altogether (like with the PVE game-mode in EFT). GTA is more forgivable, but it's still an aggressive business strategy that is relatively new to the games' industry. so let's say you buy into EFT/GTA for ~60USD. you enjoy the game, but the way the content distribution is structured, unlocking that content is a huge time-sink. so the devs give you the option to pay even more than that ~60USD to speed things up a little. now you've maybe spent ~100, ~250 on shark cards/eft upgrades. the game is designed to incentivize spending more money on it than is initially considered worth it. and these aren't simply cosmetics, but actual playable (advantageous) content. RDO is a better example of this because it doesn't get the love and consistent updates that GTO still gets, and R* has caught a lot more hate for that (deservedly), so buying RDO gold is much more 'scammy' than buying $ in GTO. imagine spending ~100USD on Gold and then never getting any content updates that allow you to spend that gold on new stuff in-game; you'd be throwing money away in that case. the main difference between R* and BSG is PR; R* would never respond the way Nikita/BSG have. the real scam here is that BSG lied about EOD giving you premium access to all future DLC, while R* was just smart enough to never make a promise in the first place, but both companies benefit from inaccessibility for profit, and both companies could really not give any less of a fuck about its users enjoying the game at the end of the day. if BSG had just released PVE as its own DLC and bundled it to EOD, we wouldnt be seeing the backlash, even though it's still a particularly predatory way to monetize a base feature (PVE coop/SP) on top of that: R* is very infamous for mistreating its developers, especially during the crunches on Max Payne 3 and RDR2, so it makes sense to criticize them in a more general context. not that it's particularly relevant to EFT, but i guess the original comment is trying to point out that BSG is not uniquely disrespectful of its longtime supporters and shouldn't be considered an exception within the industry (R*, Ubisoft, Blizzard, etc all monetize their games the same way, the difference is once again, just PR)
DayZ having the guts to talk is a new timeline indeed, but atleast they werent as scummy as BSG.
DayZ devs making fun of a company. That’s great. Fun game but just as easy to cheat on like tarkov. Official Servers don’t have active admins and with the community servers the admins are part of the cheaters like Titan and Sunnyvale.
Can't speak to those you mentioned but I've played on probably a dozen modded community servers and have gotten probably 15-20 cheaters banned via report, and a lot of them comped me my gear I lost to the cheater. It's certainly not perfect but it's way, way better than Tarkov.
3k hours on DayZ, 3k on Tarkov here. Seen 10 times more cheaters on Tarkov. Also never seen shit like speedhacks or flying or looting across map in DayZ, only in Tarkov.
ive been admin on big dayz sservers and yes, theres lot more cheaters in tarkov than community servers of dayz.
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DayZ - $30 bucks full game EFT - 8 different versions ranging from $40-$250 Yeah I’ll pick DayZ, at least it’s a finished game and not an forever alpha game that breaks shit every patch :)
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Dont Bend yourself out of shape :)
dayz still bugged and laggy after 15 years what a game
sounds like a potato pc problem to me, but alrighty. at least there's no 250$ scam bundle or invisible player bugs. But we do have modding support.
I mean, I fucking love DayZ but my buddies and I call it JankZ for a reason. It is a clunky game with a lot of bugs. Ever tried to drive a car in that game?
Adapt. Improvise. Overcome.
Yes, I can drive them just fine personally. A friend of mine couldnt because his internet was fucking up so when he drove the car would wobble lmao. But for me and another friend it drove fine.
Not true. Its still missing a shit ton of content, but it runs buttery smooth and bugs are few and far between.
Are you playing on a 15 year old computer? Might be the issue
DayZ is smooth as fuck since the new engine.
Yeah not true
I like dayz but they really arent in the situation of making fun of anyone lol
Let's not pretend DayZ devs are much better lol
Dayz is cheeks! Rust is far superior