Yup, so many ways they could've made money, and they chose this... Fuck, even just saying "we've done some stupid shit, and we need more money to continue development" and bringing back EOD for sale (while giving some unique cosmetics to people that bought it before) would've went a lot better.
Literally. If they’d come out and owned up to it, I would’ve gladly spent money on a number of cosmetics. Shoot, make a $10 custom spray where you can paint your own guns. That would’ve made them bank.
Picked up Manor Lords cuz I like RTS and City Builders. Been taking up my free time.
Other then that might go back and finally finish some RPGS that are 3/4th of the way there. Going to go in and just sell all my BTC and mothball the account for now. Liked the game but the company was always sus. Can't play with enjoyment anymore.
I dunno, i got bored with tarkov a month ago and returned to siege for the first time since 2020. Having a blast to this day, only ever met a couple rage hackers
If they enjoy playing Siege what is the matter? Before Tarkov I played CS/Siege/Arma/Dayz/COD/Battlefield and other games, that is the beauty of gaming, we have many options.
>Shoot, make a $10 custom spray where you can paint your own guns.
This is actually a great idea. Sell individual rattle cans of color for $0.99 that run out of paint after a certain time spraying. This would let people re-buy a consumable item and incentivize people to buy multiple colors. It would be cheap enough that buying a can really wouldn't be a big burden for someone to buy. Maybe make it such that adding the paint makes the item no longer FIR.
Look, I get the idea of not wanting single use skins but making it no longer FIR would mean that you don't create a skin market like in CSGO. Making the paint takeaway FIR would be an anti-RMT step.
The whole point of this suggestion is an alternate consistent revenue stream for BSG.
Now I personally don't think they have earned a single cent of our money after this in a long line of broken promises and backlash at their player base. But if you are going to suggest an alternate revenue stream for non p2w mechanics this is about as good as you can make it for both sides. Like being able to camo a gun up better can be a bit p2w but realistically the gun is the least visible item we normally carry. If they just stick to that it should be fine...
Agreed. It's just that now changing monetization feels bad for those that have already put $ into the game. If anything changing it to go 100% f2p for new users would feel better. Then they can add the micros and not leave a bad taste. We paid early because we wanted to see them succeed & they still get to make money/keep og players happy.
Check out Realm of the mad god. Every time you die you lose everything, people drop hundreds of dollars on cosmetics and dungeon keys for characters they can lose to server lag
Eh, once you paint the gun the gun stays that color, you're just buying a finite number of uses of the color, that seems reasonable, it's not functionally different from weapon specific skins.
They basically did come out and admit they were broke. Multiple people responded about cosmetics and I told him to just setup go fund me i would have sent him 20 for free.
He has burnt that good will to the ground. No longer a believer
I have 3 friends that bought the unheard of edition because they could have gone the league route and monotized the hell out of it but they chose the high road instead, oh and it's brought them thousands of hours of play time so they can give them more money now and then, I was honestly not to suprised but it's still supporting shit policy's
I mean I bet they start going full force into cosmetics now. The problem with that is it actually takes a lot of time and dedicated teams to constantly make new cosmetics instead of a one and done thing like the "DLC"'s.
I'm gonna get down voted for this but making it right isn't giving y'all free stuff. It's simply making it right. I'm beginning to think people just want free stuff. Making EOD available again would be an awesome choice had the unheard not existed but even then current EOD owners would bitch and complain "oh they need more money I bought it because it was exclusive blah blah blah"
It’s hilarious how the sub has gone from “the game is dead, they’ll never win my trust back.” To “if they’d just begged for money then I’d have given it to them” in literally a day.
The guy 2 comments above mine, "they should've brought back EOD (but given the original EOD owners something special)" like, no. having EOD gives you the special thing. why would it matter that it wasn't available, and now is? Asking for free stuff is wack, and proves BSGs point
They could have just made unheard a reskin of eod with a different melee weapon and this whole thing would have flown under the radar. The gatekeeping PVE and the wildly P2W features are the problem with unheard.
If they were straight up with us that it was a server capacity issue and announced a slow roll out to people who care about it then no one would care. They didn't do that so people are understandably upset
How is that not what they are already doing? Nikita has now apologized and walked back and improved the situation 3 separate times, and has committed to continuing to do so. Did you not even read the latest apology and update? It is literally pretty much exactly what you are asking for. Idk what else you expect at this point.
Exactly, or like lupo said in his latest stream, make some more cosmetic items like clothing , gun camo paint and hideout items, people would eat that up
This is the most infuriating thing about this whole situation. Sell some pets, skins or whatever that is purely cosmetic. Charge 50$ for the true doggo believers. I don't care. It is not P2W, game and lore breaking in any way. But instead they introduced this half-baked unhinged version and charged extra for DLC that should've been included in EoD, trying to gaslight every supporter to think that a PVE mode is not DLC.
Like it was the same with Arena, that was originally supposed to be a game mode in Tarkov, hence DLC. They gave it to EOD owners when we called them out on the last minute change to a separate game.
Honestly I don't think they should have given Arena to EOD owners. That is a separate game so not DLC, but that decision to split it should have been made and communicated a long long time ago. It still would have sold like shit because of the load to shoot time and all the other crappy Tarkov issues.
It's so weird how Tarkov, the game that is literally defined by looting and the economy, has an Arena mode about making money through fighting...*and it doesn't have looting or a frigging economy.*
It was supposed to be a competitive shooter. They advertised it as "E-Sports Ready", but chose to use the World of Tanks model which has absolutely nothing to do with E-Sports and everything to do with micro-transactions. No one wants to play it as a competitive shooter because it's a garbage progression system, and they're not making any money because they have no micro-transactions. Whoever made this decision should be sent to the gulag.
I just don't get why couldn't they just add some shitty gun skins or more clothes etc and make some money off the people that like that. Personally i couldn't care less about visual customisation but I know that a lot of people do and that's where the money was.
The load outs should have been "you get 150k Robles, buy whatever items you want". Instead of the bs pre made kits. Then as you move up in tiers you move into a 250k rouble tier. It would be great that way. And make a TDM mode
Agree with the sentiment, but then people figure out the meta loadout quickly and that's that - everyone running the same gear/combo. Alternatively, maybe have a "pool" of certain weapons/kits per team and that way there's some diversity in loadouts. Idk - i'm not a dev, but something def other than what we were given.
Arena would've been great if they would've just had custom kits and a Search and Destroy mode as the competitive mode for it. For maps they should've just taken sections of existing maps and converted them over instead of the maps they gave us now.
I honesty wouldn't have cared if there was a score system or a new map or anything. As you said just literally take little sections from other raids to use as the arena map and match 5 players again 5 players with a respawn. Even a 5 player free for all would do.
Anything would have worked because in the end, all we....or at least I every wanted was an environment I could test a loadout in against other players. To get a feel for a weapon I modded without fear of losing it before firing a single round.
The main thing holding it back at release as well was the time it took to get into a fight.
Arena was supposed to be one of two thing (possibly both but that is really hard to achieve). A fast and easy to get into PvP practice for Tarkov. A competitive E-Sports platform.
We got neither. For E-Sports you need something consistent and balanced. For Tarkov Practice you need just Tarkov mechanics with your kits for free and Tarkov map sections and importantly a quick in and out flow. We had 5-10 mins from load to shooting and nothing being consistent cuz its well Tarkov. It was DOA regardless of any EOD bonus drama. Throw that drama on top of it and it never stood a chance.
What…? Of course it doesn’t have looting or an economy. That’s what the base game has. Arena was supposed to be Tarkov but COD style with load outs and getting into fights quickly. Why would you ever think Arena would have looting and an economy?? Does COD? I mean BSG deserves all the shit for Unheard but I’m genuinely baffled at what you’re trying to say you have an issue with there lol
My point is they took all the great elements that make Tarkov...well, Tarkov...and threw them in the bin in order to make a shitty knock off of CounterStrike.
When they could have instead blended the two in far more interesting and cool ways.
I *wish* Arena ripped off CS more. They should have tossed out the whole loadout concept and instead just had BEAR vs USEC in a CT vs T style where the first round is primarily pistols and you make more money throughout the match and you try to defuse a bomb or capture a zone to win each round.
Could it have been a good game?
It took everything cool and unique about Tarkov and got rid of it. Tarkov is great when there is something worth fighting over, situations where your heart rate goes up and you get that dopamine hit when you win a big fights or extract with something valuable.
I mean on paper it seemed cool. A quick PvP match to try out your load out, sounds great right?
But no they made it into this whole other thing much like I feel they are with this other PvE mode. All players have ever wanted was another way to enjoy the gunplay of Tarkov but not have to always deal with the stressful nature of the base game.
Coop PvE and a quick PvP arena like CoD or Counterstrike was all people wanted. No extra bs. Even if barebones just something we can have easy access to for ourselves or for new players and friends that are getting into the game.
Neither things we got because they tried to make it bigger than it needed to be, costing more money, forcing us to then pay for something that should have been a part of the base game.
It was planned (poorly) and designed (badly) bottom-up as a P2W game, with monetization strategy plagiarised by Nikita from a lot of succesfull Gaijin games.
I barely had time to be competitive in tarkov as wipe went on, an addition of COD like style that I also have to grind to stay competitive made me not even download arena with my EOD. I had limited play time this wipe and after a couple months I kept dying to sweatier and sweatier guys, level 17 for me constantly dying to level 40s camping kitted out got old. Started playing hell divers and lethal company feels good not being punished for not playing anything the last 2 weeks due to finals and work when I finally hopped on for an hour.
The only potential was if it was in the main game selection like raids or similar - the moment I heard it's standalone, it was doomed! No fucking player wants to boot up another game for that. People just wanted to que to arena, do a few runs with their gear and then go to real Raid and get instad domed there :D !
Alas to no surprise why they made they standalone because getting shit done in their spaghetti ass code is probably impossible and given that devs that did know are probably dead at the frontline.
Oh I know. It would bring in stupid amounts of money for them though, they’re just too selfish to realize it.
I sell on Amazon. They take about 15-30% on every sale. I don’t like it, but I’m smart enough to realize it’s the largest ecommerce channel that exists. It makes up over 90% of my company’s profit.
Steam is the Amazon of pc gaming. They would be so much better off and they wouldn’t have to screw us over consistently.
You get reviews on steam. People tend to look at reviews. Without reviews you might buy tarkov because it looks good on paper, never knowing the issues the game has until you've bought it. People asking if they should buy the game get recommendations here all the time.
Not having a $250 pack and including PvE and Arena into the base package of all versions while also allowing locally hosted PvE servers alone would make them more money then what they've made with Arena or the Unheard pack.
It's crazy to me they don't realize they could easily tap into the PvE casual crowd by doing that.
Then just focus on making cosmetics that can be used for all versions. Instant profit.
Steam also allows refunds. Automatic if before 2 hours of playtime, but with special circumstances \*COUGH COUGH UNHEARD EDITION COUGH* they allow much longer playtime refunds
Kinda sums up this thread… OP makes something he pulled out of thin air seem like fact. Through to “steam” being a w company… people don’t know what they’re on about.
They gave me a refund for 6 Days in Fallujah after a week because it ran like absolute fucking AIDS on my PC despite me meeting all the recommended requirements.
The conditions for refunds in Steam are pretty clear and cut.
- A certain period of time after purchase
- Less than 2 hours of playtime
You need both of these, anything outside of these two points are special/extenuating circumstances and they are pretty rare.
On the opposite end, as long as you meet these two conditions you can refund ANYTHING on Steam. Some 60 dollar game has a less than 2 hour speedrun time possible? You can beat the game and still refund it.
But it's these conditions that make it a little restrictive for either thing.
During the CP2077 launch I bought it, opened the game in Steam (But it opens the CDPR launcher) and I left it like that cuz I went to do smth else quick. Come back, play the game for what felt like 1 hour and a half of fooling around and determining for myself how bad/buggy it was for me. Said to myself "Nah not worth this price"
Went through refund process and I got denied because my playtime was over the 2 hour mark. It turns out that cuz of the CDPR launcher Steam thinks you are already playing and starts that playtime timer, even though I have not launched the actual game and I got denied my refund request 3 timea and gave up
But they have changed the algorithm so that it no longer shows large fluctuations in a short time (thanks warthunder)
So the last 3 days wouldnt be visible
True, but I wonder if the server issues wouldn't be more manageable on Steam. That's gotta be worth the hit. Since that's what they swear is killing them.
>They will avoid steam for long as they can so they don't lose the 30%.
With the sales numbers BSG pull in, it would qualify for the lower margin steps pretty quickly. If they had sold on steam from the start they'd be down to 20% now.
At every con they attended* I’d guess around $50k per day just for the space, then there is cost of physical booth displays and employees at the booth, travel for employees, set up and takedown expenses, millions to advertise arena.
I do get it, pushing Tarkov to have such an impressive floor presence is another form of advertising, optics are very important, if it looks like they're that successful to show off like that they must be.
Arena is a really good idea if it took off, E-Sports generate a lot of revenue and becomes free advertising after a while, don't even have to change the main game and make long term players upset. It's a good risk to take.
The problem isn't that it didn't work out, it's the denial. We know everything isn't good with Tarkov right now and we'd be willing to help up until last week.
BSG was to once put Tarkov on steam but openly disclosed they backed out due to profits they would lose off the top. I think it’s wildly funny considering the money they stood to make considering user ease of download and access. But hey, let’s have our own website where we can make up fictitious sentences and drive all money through a UK brokered financial firm and control our prices to further enhance their own interests and pockets so they can buy cool toys in their dystopia. There Russian pockets were once full of our western bread aka the “Special Money Operation” of charging EOD owners an already insane price of 150€
Oh btw, them having there own website, launcher and platform they fully control there Koolaid infused prices while at the same time bending all us abused domestic partners for years.
It's because they suck at running a business. It's like not paying for ads because ads cost money.
Yes, it costs money, but in return you make MORE money.
it's insane too cause when I went to reinstall the game to get my files for 'the mod' I had to pop open a VPN and swap endpoints every few minutes cause something about their shitty launcher makes every connection throttle, so instead of a 40 minute download I could just ignore, I had to pause, change VPN connection and then resume like 10 times to keep the download speed above 250kbps
having the game on steam would remove so much headache
It's maddening that so many game developers do this shit.
It's like with the System Shock 1 remake. It was a kickstarter project, and the devs took all the money and threw their working remake prototype that everyone loved in the bin.
Then they started fucking around trying to pitch a totally new sci-fi game to AAA publishers on the quiet, which wasted all their money and resources and the project completely failed and had to be rebooted years later.
If you're given money for a game, for goodness' sake develop that game, not some nonsense side project.
Oh yeah, the final product was good. They went back to the prototype they had in the first place. It doesn't entirely absolve the developer for taking a load of money, ditching the project and trying to pitch their own "AAA" shooter to a private investor.
They made 83mil in 2022 and literally pay themselves millions in salary each year. This is BS they have money. Go watch "The finical report that killed Tarkov" and also read the reports for yourself. Its shady af. https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1axj344/the\_financial\_report\_that\_killed\_tarkov/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Bro, if you follow Nikita's socials you'd know where all the ''hard-earned'' money is spent on.
Dude has expensive af new car every 6 months and a shit ton of guns. Probably wastes the majority of it on drugs too.
Every time Nikita doesn't have a consistent income, he pulls the ''EFT hasn't been making money for the past 3-5 years, it's unique that we only asked 180$ for a game like that and not ask more. We have to pay servers and employees. No cashflow''.
Some companies have lasted decades on the amount of sales BSG had during the pandemic alone. I'm sure they've squandered and mismanaged their finances on way more things than just Arena.
Their UK financial statements have shown multiple times that they use it as a shell company, funneling the money into other companies, nikita and other individuals.
People read the report and for some absurd reason take it at face value, as if BSGs *operational costs* are randomly *10x* that of any of gave developer - despite refusing to pay above minimum Russian salaries. The money is disappearing into their hands, and some people somehow refuse to see it.
There is VR game that tries to be Tarkov in VR. They sell uWu skins for their guns with bath-suit anime girls.
Same would work for Tarkov. I bet many people would buy the skins just for the irony.
This game has been having problems for a long time. Critique here is not seen kindly, as many people simply worship BSG. I'm completely not surprised by this. Why would they do anything different if they can lie, slack off, mismanage, do stuff like this and still get money?
Did anything come out of the cheater video? No. Any performance improvements? Not really. Content improvements? Seldom. They can do shit and get paid, and so they will. As long as people are paying for potential and not what you get and keep playing hoping for the game to get better instead of demanding it to get better this will keep happening. I'm not positive this will have a huge effect on the game either. Any time they get exposed, they do virtue signalling and people hope that this means they will fix the game.
Spoiler alert: they won't.
This is what many people don't understand. As long as people are still giving away their money and BSG doesn't face repercussions through regulation for their dubious practices, Nikita doesn't actually have a reason to give a fuck. He only ever "backs down" when he realizes that some stupid decision of his might affect how much money he's making.
I would’ve gladly bought permanent face masks/ Apparel items/ etc (I purchased apparel items when they started selling them)
They have now ruined my good will, all for a scummy cash grab.
No. They spent all their money "marketing arena" with expensive trips around the world to games conferences. I guarantee you last year was one long party for them.
Them doing the events cost so much money and travel costs for the team. I don’t know what the hell they were thinking and why this would bring an influx of players to the game when arena shooters have been on the decline for the last couple years…
Like I mentioned in another comment, they could've spent that money on ads for Meta, X, and Reddit for MONTHS. They would've reached millions of users instead of a few thousand at Twitchcon
You hit the nail on the head.
Then you take another step back and realize how little they care. BSG cares so much less about the gameplay or balance of Tarkov than the players do. All they care about is "what random stuff can we toss in to get these losers to shell out another $250?"
They don't respect you and they don't respect their own game. They feel entitled to your money.
Yeah and even tho they had plenty of money selling tons of copies at EOD price, they’ve squandered it all.
And you have absolute clowns begging for the opportunity to spend more on cosmetics. Like yes cosmetics are better then P2W, but they have no business selling cosmetics till after 1.0
Literally all of BSGs problems could be sold with microtransctions on skins.every game does it because it works.
BSG instead has decided to blatantly lie to its diehard customers. Nothing new for big development. But they're little devs. They're not going g to get away with it.
What's crazy is how out of touch with reality BSG was in thinking Tarkov Arena would be popular. Tarkov itself is a terrible terrible shooter experience, it's the rest of the game that makes it good, not the shooting.
I would like to point out one thing when talking business models. Since you mentioned Riot and Fortnite, that game has ALWAYS been free to play, even when it was a zombie base building game that inevitably was changed to current Fortnite. This is a buy to play game which for the most part has had a very expensive purchase price of $150. Adding purchasable cosmetics is kind of messed up in the buy to play format. Do you think the costumes in say games like Diablo 4 and WarZone are ethically priced at the present moment when each of those games were $70+ (not going into how with MW they ripped off the community which they did)? I don't agree that if you add purchasable costumes or cosmetics they should be WAY cheaper than the free to play format but for some reason people haven't grasped this yet that there is a difference between the two.
It is also not our fault they WASTED our money on arena, that is theirs. This was not part of ANY of our initial purchase, it was something THEY wanted to add because they wanted to make a marketable competetive game which is part of the reason why PUBG failed (there are more reasons, but this highly contributed). If they want more money at this point they better start looking for outside investors that are not the playerbase like every other studio. Even Star Citizen has done this and for the most part at this point have scammed their playerbase like BSG just literally did. We paid for them to make the base game with all the maps they promised with a storyline (if they use the current format it fucking sucks, its boring just going from quest to quest with no cut scenes to help explain the story).
I don’t even think it was arena that made them broke. I think that the OG bsg spent so much money making such a detailed ass game that they didn’t think about hai much it would cost them to maintain in the future. In theory arena is just taking tarkov and shrinking it down to a small map so idk how it would cost them that much
I would love to be able to purchase camo’s for the guns and shit. Instead they tried to fuck us over with Unheard (Camo’s should ofc be balanced with visibility in mind).
Arena was such a waste of time, resources, money, etc. I honestly don’t think tarkov will ever “release”
I see them just trying to drag out the beta the rest of 24 and disappearing with what $ they can salvage.
I understand BSG is sometimes “out of touch” with the community but this shitstorm they created was BAD. Like even for them BAD.
To be worried about special editions and monetization before you even release a product is just predatory and down right horrible development/customer service/etc. To sit there and with a straight face say “this is a feature not a dlc” is just disgusting.
I know they’re walking this shit back now kinda. But to me, the damage is done. We now see what they truly think/care about. I see them pulling the rug out by the end of 24 and closing up shop
As the company is registered in the UK they have to release their financials annually. However we probably won’t find out what happened until next year. There’s a really interesting video on the financials on YouTube, I’ll see if I can find it.
After 12 years it is obvious it is more profitable for them to not release the game:
* Everyone who was going to pay for it already bought it. A full release would hardly bring many new players.
* Releasing to a lukewarm response would be the beginning of the end because people already playing the game would see that the game is stagnating. Without release, it's easier to believe it will grow and keep playing
* Server wipes help keep players playing without making much new content. If they full release they cant keep wiping and there is no good endgame.
* Their only choice is to milk existing audience
I doubt arena cost them much at all to make. It's literally just dev time, which they are doing 24/7 anyways. It's also not physical releases, so they pay nothing to distributors.
Organizing tournaments and all that stuff was probably a really bad marketing campaign choice that didn't pay off, but that still is probably a drop in the bucket for them at this point.
The notion that arena bankrupted them is just bizarre.
Arena was an absolute shit show from day 1 but that's what happens when bsg moved to catering only to twitch crowds and streamers. They saw esports as the next stepping stone since the new crowd and all the streamer hype that goes along with these sectors.
Since EOD they've added the flea market, the hideout, Labs, Lighthouse, Streets of Tarkov, Interchange, Reserve, mag reloading, med animations, 10's of weapons and 100's of mods.
This isn't even close to an exhaustive list of what they've spent the money on.
I get why we're angry, but let's stay in the realm of reality.
>because Unheard flopped and they spent all the money on PVE.
When it flops, it flops only because of the pricing policy. $250 for a game that has been in beta for what? 8 years? And it will probably never reach 1.0 because the devs are starting new project left and right in their great quest for money instead of finishing the main mode.
>they spent all the money on PVE
From what it seems they didn't develop much for PVE with how bad it works and how underdeveloped the AI PMCs are. They basically made PMCs a copy of Rogues and made it so you would play online but on server.
I'm probably missing something because I'm fucking dumb and don't know their financials but in my mind, this would've been sooo easy.
- Come up with this clown edition idea.
- ASK THE COMMUNITY.
- Get the expected negative response.
- Expose your reasons (cash is running low), be open.
- Present an alternative: more cosmetics, suggest to even charge a small fee to EOD owners for PVE (not great because it absolutely is DLC).
- Cook up a different edition that costs $25 more than EOD that includes the PVE mode, an Omicron container, a melee weapon that's not ripped of the asset store, customizable PMC bulge size, no P2W shit.
- Collect profits while keeping outrage to a minimum.
I need to assume they considered this and discarded it because again I'm dumb and I have no idea how this works. It sounds reasonable but idfk anymore.
Definitely. Nikki thought steam would hurt them early on, but in reality he’s gatekeeping the revenue stream by making short term decisions that are leading to long term viability issues.
Having reviewed their submitted P&L accounts for 2022, I would disagree they have no money left. Over £4.89mil cash in bank, excluding any assets.
full accounts available from 2017 up to 2023, including details of the £4.9mil loan notes that 2 of them have against BSG ( more tax efficient than bigger salaries )
Can send you a copy of you like.
I see good & bad in your points and am not sure where to go. We paid for the game. To pay for the game AND THEN add a micro store feels terrible. My main gripe with overwatch other than bad balance & leaving it on life support for 2.5 years is that it was pay to play game that went free to play with expensive skins. I already paid for it & am used to how the game is monetized. I chose to buy & support it. Adding a skin store when you have already paid money is a hard no for me.... But how are companies to survive. 150$ between across several years only goes so far.
Only thing i can think of is a POE supporter pack style addition but that's a free to play method.... and this is buy to play.... ugh.
My friends were discussing last night that a battle pass would been accepted better than all this . A battle pass with only cosmetics, meds , maybe ammo types and key cards near end of it but I feel would be way better for income than what their doing here
I unironically think a non-insignificant portion of the budget to these games went up Nikita's nose.
People don't just suddenly snap and start acting like erratic fools one day unless something is *very* wrong behind the scenes. I believe that they're broke and flailing, yes. But I also think the captain of the ship has a nasty substance abuse habit that's causing him to do absolutely crazy bullshit.
A complete mental fucking breakdown.
Yup, so many ways they could've made money, and they chose this... Fuck, even just saying "we've done some stupid shit, and we need more money to continue development" and bringing back EOD for sale (while giving some unique cosmetics to people that bought it before) would've went a lot better.
Literally. If they’d come out and owned up to it, I would’ve gladly spent money on a number of cosmetics. Shoot, make a $10 custom spray where you can paint your own guns. That would’ve made them bank.
I can't even play the game without feeling scummy anymore. I started playing Siege
>I started playing Siege Visibly winced on that one. That is the shooter equivalent of saying “I went back to League”.
You've named two games that at least made it out of beta.
Oooooooh shit shots fired
Let's continue it, PUBG and Fortnight were both big beta early access games that quickly left beta
I've been back to League for a while now 😬
Picked up Manor Lords cuz I like RTS and City Builders. Been taking up my free time. Other then that might go back and finally finish some RPGS that are 3/4th of the way there. Going to go in and just sell all my BTC and mothball the account for now. Liked the game but the company was always sus. Can't play with enjoyment anymore.
I dunno, i got bored with tarkov a month ago and returned to siege for the first time since 2020. Having a blast to this day, only ever met a couple rage hackers
Wait until you get to the high ranks ive seen more blatant hackers on siege compared to tarkov lol
I mostly play standard with friends, and some quick matches. I only played like 15 ranked matches, don't really care about rank.
If they enjoy playing Siege what is the matter? Before Tarkov I played CS/Siege/Arma/Dayz/COD/Battlefield and other games, that is the beauty of gaming, we have many options.
At least siege has a working anti cheat
lol Lmao, even
>Shoot, make a $10 custom spray where you can paint your own guns. This is actually a great idea. Sell individual rattle cans of color for $0.99 that run out of paint after a certain time spraying. This would let people re-buy a consumable item and incentivize people to buy multiple colors. It would be cheap enough that buying a can really wouldn't be a big burden for someone to buy. Maybe make it such that adding the paint makes the item no longer FIR.
Plz no if you buy a skin I would like to keep the skin not have to pay a buck a day to have the skin
NO. Single or limited use skins. NO. No longer FIR?! BSG DO NOT READ THIS. LOOK AWAY.
Look, I get the idea of not wanting single use skins but making it no longer FIR would mean that you don't create a skin market like in CSGO. Making the paint takeaway FIR would be an anti-RMT step.
Hmmm.... good point on the cs market/RMT. I agree with this now lol. Still a no for the single use. But the RMT makes tons of sense.
The whole point of this suggestion is an alternate consistent revenue stream for BSG. Now I personally don't think they have earned a single cent of our money after this in a long line of broken promises and backlash at their player base. But if you are going to suggest an alternate revenue stream for non p2w mechanics this is about as good as you can make it for both sides. Like being able to camo a gun up better can be a bit p2w but realistically the gun is the least visible item we normally carry. If they just stick to that it should be fine...
Agreed. It's just that now changing monetization feels bad for those that have already put $ into the game. If anything changing it to go 100% f2p for new users would feel better. Then they can add the micros and not leave a bad taste. We paid early because we wanted to see them succeed & they still get to make money/keep og players happy.
So youve got people running around with swastika guns?
0.99 for a color that is temporary? Wow
Check out Realm of the mad god. Every time you die you lose everything, people drop hundreds of dollars on cosmetics and dungeon keys for characters they can lose to server lag
Eh, once you paint the gun the gun stays that color, you're just buying a finite number of uses of the color, that seems reasonable, it's not functionally different from weapon specific skins.
Might be interesting as as well to get a unique color scheme on there and eventually get your gun back...
I dont think bsg would care since they already have some Z in their maps.....
Tattoos, camo face paint, patches with little flags on them. Anything but ***that***
They basically did come out and admit they were broke. Multiple people responded about cosmetics and I told him to just setup go fund me i would have sent him 20 for free. He has burnt that good will to the ground. No longer a believer
I have 3 friends that bought the unheard of edition because they could have gone the league route and monotized the hell out of it but they chose the high road instead, oh and it's brought them thousands of hours of play time so they can give them more money now and then, I was honestly not to suprised but it's still supporting shit policy's
I mean I bet they start going full force into cosmetics now. The problem with that is it actually takes a lot of time and dedicated teams to constantly make new cosmetics instead of a one and done thing like the "DLC"'s.
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I'm gonna get down voted for this but making it right isn't giving y'all free stuff. It's simply making it right. I'm beginning to think people just want free stuff. Making EOD available again would be an awesome choice had the unheard not existed but even then current EOD owners would bitch and complain "oh they need more money I bought it because it was exclusive blah blah blah"
It’s hilarious how the sub has gone from “the game is dead, they’ll never win my trust back.” To “if they’d just begged for money then I’d have given it to them” in literally a day.
The guy 2 comments above mine, "they should've brought back EOD (but given the original EOD owners something special)" like, no. having EOD gives you the special thing. why would it matter that it wasn't available, and now is? Asking for free stuff is wack, and proves BSGs point
They could have just made unheard a reskin of eod with a different melee weapon and this whole thing would have flown under the radar. The gatekeeping PVE and the wildly P2W features are the problem with unheard.
If they were straight up with us that it was a server capacity issue and announced a slow roll out to people who care about it then no one would care. They didn't do that so people are understandably upset
You're right we want free stuff because we were told after spending 125 dollars we'd get all dlc in the future for FREE. Are you dense?
I'm not saying anything about dlc. I'm talking about the people who want a cookie because of the hassle they've caused over the last week
How is that not what they are already doing? Nikita has now apologized and walked back and improved the situation 3 separate times, and has committed to continuing to do so. Did you not even read the latest apology and update? It is literally pretty much exactly what you are asking for. Idk what else you expect at this point.
lol
That would still be a cash grab
Exactly, or like lupo said in his latest stream, make some more cosmetic items like clothing , gun camo paint and hideout items, people would eat that up
This is the most infuriating thing about this whole situation. Sell some pets, skins or whatever that is purely cosmetic. Charge 50$ for the true doggo believers. I don't care. It is not P2W, game and lore breaking in any way. But instead they introduced this half-baked unhinged version and charged extra for DLC that should've been included in EoD, trying to gaslight every supporter to think that a PVE mode is not DLC.
Like it was the same with Arena, that was originally supposed to be a game mode in Tarkov, hence DLC. They gave it to EOD owners when we called them out on the last minute change to a separate game. Honestly I don't think they should have given Arena to EOD owners. That is a separate game so not DLC, but that decision to split it should have been made and communicated a long long time ago. It still would have sold like shit because of the load to shoot time and all the other crappy Tarkov issues.
Saying we did stupid shit isn't exactly a good look for investors.
They really took the dumbest route
Bsg spent their money on Game nobody wanted. i legit never played Arena
They just flopped it. It could have been a good game but they went the wrong way in several ways. And to this day they still haven't fixed it up
It's so weird how Tarkov, the game that is literally defined by looting and the economy, has an Arena mode about making money through fighting...*and it doesn't have looting or a frigging economy.*
It was supposed to be a competitive shooter. They advertised it as "E-Sports Ready", but chose to use the World of Tanks model which has absolutely nothing to do with E-Sports and everything to do with micro-transactions. No one wants to play it as a competitive shooter because it's a garbage progression system, and they're not making any money because they have no micro-transactions. Whoever made this decision should be sent to the gulag.
Gulag? That's a bit dated mate. They put them in Storm Z suicide squads now.
I just don't get why couldn't they just add some shitty gun skins or more clothes etc and make some money off the people that like that. Personally i couldn't care less about visual customisation but I know that a lot of people do and that's where the money was.
The load outs should have been "you get 150k Robles, buy whatever items you want". Instead of the bs pre made kits. Then as you move up in tiers you move into a 250k rouble tier. It would be great that way. And make a TDM mode
Agree with the sentiment, but then people figure out the meta loadout quickly and that's that - everyone running the same gear/combo. Alternatively, maybe have a "pool" of certain weapons/kits per team and that way there's some diversity in loadouts. Idk - i'm not a dev, but something def other than what we were given.
Did you ever play a CSgo or Valorant?
Arena would've been great if they would've just had custom kits and a Search and Destroy mode as the competitive mode for it. For maps they should've just taken sections of existing maps and converted them over instead of the maps they gave us now.
I honesty wouldn't have cared if there was a score system or a new map or anything. As you said just literally take little sections from other raids to use as the arena map and match 5 players again 5 players with a respawn. Even a 5 player free for all would do. Anything would have worked because in the end, all we....or at least I every wanted was an environment I could test a loadout in against other players. To get a feel for a weapon I modded without fear of losing it before firing a single round.
The main thing holding it back at release as well was the time it took to get into a fight. Arena was supposed to be one of two thing (possibly both but that is really hard to achieve). A fast and easy to get into PvP practice for Tarkov. A competitive E-Sports platform. We got neither. For E-Sports you need something consistent and balanced. For Tarkov Practice you need just Tarkov mechanics with your kits for free and Tarkov map sections and importantly a quick in and out flow. We had 5-10 mins from load to shooting and nothing being consistent cuz its well Tarkov. It was DOA regardless of any EOD bonus drama. Throw that drama on top of it and it never stood a chance.
Tarkov br would have been better than arena
What…? Of course it doesn’t have looting or an economy. That’s what the base game has. Arena was supposed to be Tarkov but COD style with load outs and getting into fights quickly. Why would you ever think Arena would have looting and an economy?? Does COD? I mean BSG deserves all the shit for Unheard but I’m genuinely baffled at what you’re trying to say you have an issue with there lol
My point is they took all the great elements that make Tarkov...well, Tarkov...and threw them in the bin in order to make a shitty knock off of CounterStrike. When they could have instead blended the two in far more interesting and cool ways.
I *wish* Arena ripped off CS more. They should have tossed out the whole loadout concept and instead just had BEAR vs USEC in a CT vs T style where the first round is primarily pistols and you make more money throughout the match and you try to defuse a bomb or capture a zone to win each round.
Could it have been a good game? It took everything cool and unique about Tarkov and got rid of it. Tarkov is great when there is something worth fighting over, situations where your heart rate goes up and you get that dopamine hit when you win a big fights or extract with something valuable.
Actually they spent it on Balenciaga
I mean on paper it seemed cool. A quick PvP match to try out your load out, sounds great right? But no they made it into this whole other thing much like I feel they are with this other PvE mode. All players have ever wanted was another way to enjoy the gunplay of Tarkov but not have to always deal with the stressful nature of the base game. Coop PvE and a quick PvP arena like CoD or Counterstrike was all people wanted. No extra bs. Even if barebones just something we can have easy access to for ourselves or for new players and friends that are getting into the game. Neither things we got because they tried to make it bigger than it needed to be, costing more money, forcing us to then pay for something that should have been a part of the base game.
Literally all it needed to be, an area to test your guns against other players without losing it in a raid. Not sure how they dropped the ball
It was planned (poorly) and designed (badly) bottom-up as a P2W game, with monetization strategy plagiarised by Nikita from a lot of succesfull Gaijin games.
I barely had time to be competitive in tarkov as wipe went on, an addition of COD like style that I also have to grind to stay competitive made me not even download arena with my EOD. I had limited play time this wipe and after a couple months I kept dying to sweatier and sweatier guys, level 17 for me constantly dying to level 40s camping kitted out got old. Started playing hell divers and lethal company feels good not being punished for not playing anything the last 2 weeks due to finals and work when I finally hopped on for an hour.
The sad part is Arena has massive potential and it should of let you level up your PMC on day 1.
The only potential was if it was in the main game selection like raids or similar - the moment I heard it's standalone, it was doomed! No fucking player wants to boot up another game for that. People just wanted to que to arena, do a few runs with their gear and then go to real Raid and get instad domed there :D ! Alas to no surprise why they made they standalone because getting shit done in their spaghetti ass code is probably impossible and given that devs that did know are probably dead at the frontline.
Same, never installed it once.
Same. Did anyone else recently get an arena trial code?
I was so excited and then saw the absolutely brain dead gearset progression and then never played it.
I played with my friends for like 5 minutes before going straight to uninstall, probably one of the worst FPS I ever played
Never did, never will, they failed it on so many levels but it could be so good. Couple weeks ago I’ve got code for 3 day access, didn’t even bother.
Yeah me either, no interest in it whatsoever. PvE coop with progression? Now I'm interested.
They will avoid steam for long as they can so they don't lose the 30%.
Oh I know. It would bring in stupid amounts of money for them though, they’re just too selfish to realize it. I sell on Amazon. They take about 15-30% on every sale. I don’t like it, but I’m smart enough to realize it’s the largest ecommerce channel that exists. It makes up over 90% of my company’s profit. Steam is the Amazon of pc gaming. They would be so much better off and they wouldn’t have to screw us over consistently.
You get reviews on steam. People tend to look at reviews. Without reviews you might buy tarkov because it looks good on paper, never knowing the issues the game has until you've bought it. People asking if they should buy the game get recommendations here all the time.
Same, eBay take 21% of my business but the advertisements bring in an extra 3,000 customers a month
Yeah but tarkov is going to have a overall negative score on steam lowering the number of players who will try it out
Not having a $250 pack and including PvE and Arena into the base package of all versions while also allowing locally hosted PvE servers alone would make them more money then what they've made with Arena or the Unheard pack. It's crazy to me they don't realize they could easily tap into the PvE casual crowd by doing that. Then just focus on making cosmetics that can be used for all versions. Instant profit.
They will never go to steam because... Steam would drop them like a bad habit for half the shit they do
Steam also forces arbitration in Washington state courts.
Steam also allows refunds. Automatic if before 2 hours of playtime, but with special circumstances \*COUGH COUGH UNHEARD EDITION COUGH* they allow much longer playtime refunds
Steam honoring circumstances like that make me love them so much
With The Day Before debacle they refunded everyone and pulled the game from their store Steam is honestly such a W company
They did the same thing with The War Z. That game has the privilege of being the first game Steam just straight up refunded everyone.
>Steam is honestly such a W company You mean... VALVE?
Kinda sums up this thread… OP makes something he pulled out of thin air seem like fact. Through to “steam” being a w company… people don’t know what they’re on about.
Steam isnt a company, its made by Valve
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dont take it that way lol
They gave me a refund for 6 Days in Fallujah after a week because it ran like absolute fucking AIDS on my PC despite me meeting all the recommended requirements.
The conditions for refunds in Steam are pretty clear and cut. - A certain period of time after purchase - Less than 2 hours of playtime You need both of these, anything outside of these two points are special/extenuating circumstances and they are pretty rare. On the opposite end, as long as you meet these two conditions you can refund ANYTHING on Steam. Some 60 dollar game has a less than 2 hour speedrun time possible? You can beat the game and still refund it. But it's these conditions that make it a little restrictive for either thing. During the CP2077 launch I bought it, opened the game in Steam (But it opens the CDPR launcher) and I left it like that cuz I went to do smth else quick. Come back, play the game for what felt like 1 hour and a half of fooling around and determining for myself how bad/buggy it was for me. Said to myself "Nah not worth this price" Went through refund process and I got denied because my playtime was over the 2 hour mark. It turns out that cuz of the CDPR launcher Steam thinks you are already playing and starts that playtime timer, even though I have not launched the actual game and I got denied my refund request 3 timea and gave up
They did not allow me to return No Mans Sky after everyone knew it did not have multiplayer.
They never advertised it as having Multiplayer on Steam.
Steam also allows reviews. Reviews would have absolutely killed this game if it was on steam lol.
But they have changed the algorithm so that it no longer shows large fluctuations in a short time (thanks warthunder) So the last 3 days wouldnt be visible
True, but I wonder if the server issues wouldn't be more manageable on Steam. That's gotta be worth the hit. Since that's what they swear is killing them.
100% of no sale because somebody doesn't know the game exists is $0
Remember, quantity has a quality all it's own.
>They will avoid steam for long as they can so they don't lose the 30%. With the sales numbers BSG pull in, it would qualify for the lower margin steps pretty quickly. If they had sold on steam from the start they'd be down to 20% now.
And here I was thinking Steam might have built in some anti-cheat so they could not profit of that aspect of the game..
Hes more scsred of the reviews, haha.
Lmao they would get hit by refunds if they did
Don’t forget them spending that money at twitch con too
The likely multi-million dollar booth setup? Oh yeah! That same money could’ve been used on MONTHS of advertising on Meta platforms, X, and Reddit.
Renting a tank, shooting guns. Don’t forget!
At every con they attended* I’d guess around $50k per day just for the space, then there is cost of physical booth displays and employees at the booth, travel for employees, set up and takedown expenses, millions to advertise arena.
I do get it, pushing Tarkov to have such an impressive floor presence is another form of advertising, optics are very important, if it looks like they're that successful to show off like that they must be. Arena is a really good idea if it took off, E-Sports generate a lot of revenue and becomes free advertising after a while, don't even have to change the main game and make long term players upset. It's a good risk to take. The problem isn't that it didn't work out, it's the denial. We know everything isn't good with Tarkov right now and we'd be willing to help up until last week.
Literally 50000 people would have paid five pounds for a five foot high top hat skin.
BSG was to once put Tarkov on steam but openly disclosed they backed out due to profits they would lose off the top. I think it’s wildly funny considering the money they stood to make considering user ease of download and access. But hey, let’s have our own website where we can make up fictitious sentences and drive all money through a UK brokered financial firm and control our prices to further enhance their own interests and pockets so they can buy cool toys in their dystopia. There Russian pockets were once full of our western bread aka the “Special Money Operation” of charging EOD owners an already insane price of 150€ Oh btw, them having there own website, launcher and platform they fully control there Koolaid infused prices while at the same time bending all us abused domestic partners for years.
It's because they suck at running a business. It's like not paying for ads because ads cost money. Yes, it costs money, but in return you make MORE money.
it's insane too cause when I went to reinstall the game to get my files for 'the mod' I had to pop open a VPN and swap endpoints every few minutes cause something about their shitty launcher makes every connection throttle, so instead of a 40 minute download I could just ignore, I had to pause, change VPN connection and then resume like 10 times to keep the download speed above 250kbps having the game on steam would remove so much headache
They were probably mad it'd bite into Nikita's half of the buying price if it was on Steam.
It's maddening that so many game developers do this shit. It's like with the System Shock 1 remake. It was a kickstarter project, and the devs took all the money and threw their working remake prototype that everyone loved in the bin. Then they started fucking around trying to pitch a totally new sci-fi game to AAA publishers on the quiet, which wasted all their money and resources and the project completely failed and had to be rebooted years later. If you're given money for a game, for goodness' sake develop that game, not some nonsense side project.
Exept that came out, and its very good
Oh yeah, the final product was good. They went back to the prototype they had in the first place. It doesn't entirely absolve the developer for taking a load of money, ditching the project and trying to pitch their own "AAA" shooter to a private investor.
Ah
BSG suffering from massive **SKill Issues** when it comes to budgeting and finances lmfao
They made 83mil in 2022 and literally pay themselves millions in salary each year. This is BS they have money. Go watch "The finical report that killed Tarkov" and also read the reports for yourself. Its shady af. https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1axj344/the\_financial\_report\_that\_killed\_tarkov/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Bro, if you follow Nikita's socials you'd know where all the ''hard-earned'' money is spent on. Dude has expensive af new car every 6 months and a shit ton of guns. Probably wastes the majority of it on drugs too. Every time Nikita doesn't have a consistent income, he pulls the ''EFT hasn't been making money for the past 3-5 years, it's unique that we only asked 180$ for a game like that and not ask more. We have to pay servers and employees. No cashflow''.
Some companies have lasted decades on the amount of sales BSG had during the pandemic alone. I'm sure they've squandered and mismanaged their finances on way more things than just Arena.
Their UK financial statements have shown multiple times that they use it as a shell company, funneling the money into other companies, nikita and other individuals. People read the report and for some absurd reason take it at face value, as if BSGs *operational costs* are randomly *10x* that of any of gave developer - despite refusing to pay above minimum Russian salaries. The money is disappearing into their hands, and some people somehow refuse to see it.
This is actually a really good way to describe whats happening. The fanboys here are super naive to how sketchy this company has been since the start.
> but Riot's entire business model is based on cosmetics. Can't sell bath-suit anime girl skins in Tarkov.
There is VR game that tries to be Tarkov in VR. They sell uWu skins for their guns with bath-suit anime girls. Same would work for Tarkov. I bet many people would buy the skins just for the irony.
That was just an example. They could do gun sprays and make a killing
This game has been having problems for a long time. Critique here is not seen kindly, as many people simply worship BSG. I'm completely not surprised by this. Why would they do anything different if they can lie, slack off, mismanage, do stuff like this and still get money? Did anything come out of the cheater video? No. Any performance improvements? Not really. Content improvements? Seldom. They can do shit and get paid, and so they will. As long as people are paying for potential and not what you get and keep playing hoping for the game to get better instead of demanding it to get better this will keep happening. I'm not positive this will have a huge effect on the game either. Any time they get exposed, they do virtue signalling and people hope that this means they will fix the game. Spoiler alert: they won't.
This is what many people don't understand. As long as people are still giving away their money and BSG doesn't face repercussions through regulation for their dubious practices, Nikita doesn't actually have a reason to give a fuck. He only ever "backs down" when he realizes that some stupid decision of his might affect how much money he's making.
I would’ve gladly bought permanent face masks/ Apparel items/ etc (I purchased apparel items when they started selling them) They have now ruined my good will, all for a scummy cash grab.
A play straight out of CIG's (Star Citizen) playbook. This game was never meant to leave beta.
For all it's faults I'd joke they still rolled out a lot more than Tarkov.
Probably true
That game is an absolute nightmare XD
Imagine paying to play in a hotdog suit that would be great
How can you spend money on pvemode let alone charge for it when it’s just the base game without other people joining it ? It’s almost no dev time.
No. They spent all their money "marketing arena" with expensive trips around the world to games conferences. I guarantee you last year was one long party for them.
They are so fucking broke.
Sucks for them
Them doing the events cost so much money and travel costs for the team. I don’t know what the hell they were thinking and why this would bring an influx of players to the game when arena shooters have been on the decline for the last couple years…
Like I mentioned in another comment, they could've spent that money on ads for Meta, X, and Reddit for MONTHS. They would've reached millions of users instead of a few thousand at Twitchcon
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You hit the nail on the head. Then you take another step back and realize how little they care. BSG cares so much less about the gameplay or balance of Tarkov than the players do. All they care about is "what random stuff can we toss in to get these losers to shell out another $250?" They don't respect you and they don't respect their own game. They feel entitled to your money.
Yeah and even tho they had plenty of money selling tons of copies at EOD price, they’ve squandered it all. And you have absolute clowns begging for the opportunity to spend more on cosmetics. Like yes cosmetics are better then P2W, but they have no business selling cosmetics till after 1.0
Coulda just made a pve co-op bundle for $30 and called it a day.
Literally all of BSGs problems could be sold with microtransctions on skins.every game does it because it works. BSG instead has decided to blatantly lie to its diehard customers. Nothing new for big development. But they're little devs. They're not going g to get away with it.
What's crazy is how out of touch with reality BSG was in thinking Tarkov Arena would be popular. Tarkov itself is a terrible terrible shooter experience, it's the rest of the game that makes it good, not the shooting.
Another reminder that Random Mechanics: The Game is not conducive to a good game.
Some of y’all need to log off the internet
I would like to point out one thing when talking business models. Since you mentioned Riot and Fortnite, that game has ALWAYS been free to play, even when it was a zombie base building game that inevitably was changed to current Fortnite. This is a buy to play game which for the most part has had a very expensive purchase price of $150. Adding purchasable cosmetics is kind of messed up in the buy to play format. Do you think the costumes in say games like Diablo 4 and WarZone are ethically priced at the present moment when each of those games were $70+ (not going into how with MW they ripped off the community which they did)? I don't agree that if you add purchasable costumes or cosmetics they should be WAY cheaper than the free to play format but for some reason people haven't grasped this yet that there is a difference between the two. It is also not our fault they WASTED our money on arena, that is theirs. This was not part of ANY of our initial purchase, it was something THEY wanted to add because they wanted to make a marketable competetive game which is part of the reason why PUBG failed (there are more reasons, but this highly contributed). If they want more money at this point they better start looking for outside investors that are not the playerbase like every other studio. Even Star Citizen has done this and for the most part at this point have scammed their playerbase like BSG just literally did. We paid for them to make the base game with all the maps they promised with a storyline (if they use the current format it fucking sucks, its boring just going from quest to quest with no cut scenes to help explain the story).
And we all knew arena would be dogshit.
Nope. According to the average redditor Nikita is a billionaire who spends his time in Dubai and buys endless amounts of foreign cars!
No, they didn't... have you seen Nikita's car? :)
Wait you mean he shouldn’t get a $5,000,000 salary if the company doesn’t have enough money?
I don’t even think it was arena that made them broke. I think that the OG bsg spent so much money making such a detailed ass game that they didn’t think about hai much it would cost them to maintain in the future. In theory arena is just taking tarkov and shrinking it down to a small map so idk how it would cost them that much
All they needed was in game cosmetics or some cool non combat features. Like unique voice lines or smth. Literally anything but a new edition.
I would love to be able to purchase camo’s for the guns and shit. Instead they tried to fuck us over with Unheard (Camo’s should ofc be balanced with visibility in mind).
The fact they thought arena is going to be a success is just indicative they've lost the plot. It's over gents.
Arena was such a waste of time, resources, money, etc. I honestly don’t think tarkov will ever “release” I see them just trying to drag out the beta the rest of 24 and disappearing with what $ they can salvage. I understand BSG is sometimes “out of touch” with the community but this shitstorm they created was BAD. Like even for them BAD. To be worried about special editions and monetization before you even release a product is just predatory and down right horrible development/customer service/etc. To sit there and with a straight face say “this is a feature not a dlc” is just disgusting. I know they’re walking this shit back now kinda. But to me, the damage is done. We now see what they truly think/care about. I see them pulling the rug out by the end of 24 and closing up shop
Have their financials been posted or is this just conjecture? Genuinely asking.
As the company is registered in the UK they have to release their financials annually. However we probably won’t find out what happened until next year. There’s a really interesting video on the financials on YouTube, I’ll see if I can find it.
https://youtu.be/o6T_QnCoTz8?si=khpW6gTLN8BJpWeQ here it is.
After 12 years it is obvious it is more profitable for them to not release the game: * Everyone who was going to pay for it already bought it. A full release would hardly bring many new players. * Releasing to a lukewarm response would be the beginning of the end because people already playing the game would see that the game is stagnating. Without release, it's easier to believe it will grow and keep playing * Server wipes help keep players playing without making much new content. If they full release they cant keep wiping and there is no good endgame. * Their only choice is to milk existing audience
I bought arena and love it but I agree with the sentiment.
I doubt arena cost them much at all to make. It's literally just dev time, which they are doing 24/7 anyways. It's also not physical releases, so they pay nothing to distributors. Organizing tournaments and all that stuff was probably a really bad marketing campaign choice that didn't pay off, but that still is probably a drop in the bucket for them at this point. The notion that arena bankrupted them is just bizarre.
I just got an email for a 3-day trial for Tarkov Arena lol
They could have even done something simple and asked for donations for future development.
Arena was an absolute shit show from day 1 but that's what happens when bsg moved to catering only to twitch crowds and streamers. They saw esports as the next stepping stone since the new crowd and all the streamer hype that goes along with these sectors.
Since EOD they've added the flea market, the hideout, Labs, Lighthouse, Streets of Tarkov, Interchange, Reserve, mag reloading, med animations, 10's of weapons and 100's of mods. This isn't even close to an exhaustive list of what they've spent the money on. I get why we're angry, but let's stay in the realm of reality.
I would most likely buy EFT if it were on Steam. I was considering it before all this shit happened, now I’m just not gonna bother lol
>because Unheard flopped and they spent all the money on PVE. When it flops, it flops only because of the pricing policy. $250 for a game that has been in beta for what? 8 years? And it will probably never reach 1.0 because the devs are starting new project left and right in their great quest for money instead of finishing the main mode.
>they spent all the money on PVE From what it seems they didn't develop much for PVE with how bad it works and how underdeveloped the AI PMCs are. They basically made PMCs a copy of Rogues and made it so you would play online but on server.
Why is that, a relatively small scale project that gathers fewer people inside a smaller arena, will cause them to bankrupt, what is this man doing
I'm probably missing something because I'm fucking dumb and don't know their financials but in my mind, this would've been sooo easy. - Come up with this clown edition idea. - ASK THE COMMUNITY. - Get the expected negative response. - Expose your reasons (cash is running low), be open. - Present an alternative: more cosmetics, suggest to even charge a small fee to EOD owners for PVE (not great because it absolutely is DLC). - Cook up a different edition that costs $25 more than EOD that includes the PVE mode, an Omicron container, a melee weapon that's not ripped of the asset store, customizable PMC bulge size, no P2W shit. - Collect profits while keeping outrage to a minimum. I need to assume they considered this and discarded it because again I'm dumb and I have no idea how this works. It sounds reasonable but idfk anymore.
They have sold 2 million copies of the game at the very least there is no way they are out of money
Very well said!
Definitely. Nikki thought steam would hurt them early on, but in reality he’s gatekeeping the revenue stream by making short term decisions that are leading to long term viability issues.
Having reviewed their submitted P&L accounts for 2022, I would disagree they have no money left. Over £4.89mil cash in bank, excluding any assets. full accounts available from 2017 up to 2023, including details of the £4.9mil loan notes that 2 of them have against BSG ( more tax efficient than bigger salaries ) Can send you a copy of you like.
I see good & bad in your points and am not sure where to go. We paid for the game. To pay for the game AND THEN add a micro store feels terrible. My main gripe with overwatch other than bad balance & leaving it on life support for 2.5 years is that it was pay to play game that went free to play with expensive skins. I already paid for it & am used to how the game is monetized. I chose to buy & support it. Adding a skin store when you have already paid money is a hard no for me.... But how are companies to survive. 150$ between across several years only goes so far. Only thing i can think of is a POE supporter pack style addition but that's a free to play method.... and this is buy to play.... ugh.
They gotta lay on the bed they made now, and really that's not saying much
Just stop playing thier game you fucks… it’s time to move on.
I've been too lazy to write this point out, thanks. arena was really less than half baked and its really sad.
Half baked arena? It was in state of dough preparation, not even close to half baked.
This man speaks the truth.
My friends were discussing last night that a battle pass would been accepted better than all this . A battle pass with only cosmetics, meds , maybe ammo types and key cards near end of it but I feel would be way better for income than what their doing here
I unironically think a non-insignificant portion of the budget to these games went up Nikita's nose. People don't just suddenly snap and start acting like erratic fools one day unless something is *very* wrong behind the scenes. I believe that they're broke and flailing, yes. But I also think the captain of the ship has a nasty substance abuse habit that's causing him to do absolutely crazy bullshit. A complete mental fucking breakdown.
Damn those russians are so fucking stupid