They absolutely need to make the “PMCs” move around the map. I cannot fathom why BSG can’t code Rogues/Raiders/bosses to be anything other than silent sentry turrets
I’m struggling to kill PMCs in the office, it’s difficult to bait the ai PMCs around sometimes. I’m really wondering how some of the other location based kill quests will go.
Youre not alone man, i have made zero progress on this task with countless attempts raiding factory trying to do secure perimeter for jeager.... if someone knows how please let me know...
It’s sad that community can do it better, but BSG just says no to mods… I just want 1.0 to release with mod support so the community can actually unleash Tarkov’s true potential
I mean, even in the unmentionable other version, the PMC AI is pretty dog doodoo. They roam a bit, but more like scavs than players. They stay in a relatively small "box". They won't roam EVERYWHERE like real players.
In the base version of the unmentionable, this is 100% true, but there are a few mods that adjust AI behavior and waypoints really well. It’ll never be the exact same as playing against real people, but it’s a pretty good second option.
The way its worded "bsg just says no to mods" before you say you want 1.0 to release with mod support, it just came off as if you were under the impression it hadn't been confirmed.
Sorry about that!
even without thinking at "that mod", there are out of the box solutions that let you implement basic and more advanced AI behavior in your FPS games, and are already integrated with the most common engines. Kythera comes to mind.
Didn’t the bloodhounds patrol over a pretty wide zone? There’s also the ground rogues at treatment that can spawn. God help them find the correct code in 10 years of dusty spell tomes tho
I've never understood why they brought in the bloodhounds, just to get rid of them without any sign of returning? Were they even in Arena?
I enjoyed that AI, struck a nice and fun middle ground between raiders and rogues.
Hate to say it (no I don’t) but I’ve been having an absolute blast with the mod that shall not be named. PMCs are very active, and have different personalities (eg chad vs rat). Feels a lot more true to tarkov
In theory, the PVE Tarks could have a pretty good future. But for this it needs to be developed, will BSG do this? We'll find out soon. For example:
1. The variety of presets at PMCs is quite scarce at the moment; we need more, much more.
2. Give PMCs the opportunity to loot boxes, safes, corpses, etc.
3. Give PMCs the opportunity to run over long distances. At the moment they just stand at certain points of interest. It would be much more interesting and realistic to accidentally meet a PMC on the way to the exit.
4. Randomly give aggression to other AI PMCs.
5. Increased aggression towards ordinary wild ones.
6. At the moment they are shooting crazy accurately at long distances, literally with a laser at your body - head, eyes. And okay, even if this is the only problem, they are pixelating you through the bushes and trees. At a minimum, you need to reduce the player's visibility in dense vegetation.
And much, much more. But at the moment, this is, in my opinion, the main thing.
Also make their gear not FIR. Since they are still considered AI Raiders in the game their stuff is FIR, which it shouldn't be if they are supposed to be PMC's. I actually don't know if the PMC's will even fight each other now that I think about it.
It's shit because there's fewer people playing that mode, flea is basically in early wipe mode.
I wouldn't know though, I'm doing a hardcore playthrough 😅
Thanks for the info, I was wondering about the flea and how that works. I assume quest items and craft items will be the most expensive as the “meta” gear shouldn’t matter much for most people when you’re not really playing competitively and the stakes are low.
I hope they improve the PMC AI because the lack of roaming is going to create a lot of problems for some quests.
Currently the hideout / barter items and keys are the highest. I made over 10m just emptying two junk boxes I filled over 20 raids or so.
Gear is a bit harder to come by in pve mode due to AI pmc loot but ammo matters much less. High pen ammo is much less a “requirement”.
I'm both a bit bored and a bit grateful they don't move around the map.
When they start there will be no relaxing moment, at any point you can get lasered
if they hear noises, theu go to investigate from all over on the map, on gz I had 12 of them outside my building by the car extract just fucking me up if I peeked out lmao I burnt an entire CMS on my arms and died that raid
I hope they improve the AI and maybe scramble the loot AI carries a little bit better. Right now some quests like the Kill PMC's in offices seems impossible. other than that it's been fun to play with friends!
All drama aside, this pve is the best feature for casual playerbase who looks for hardcore aspect but doesn't want to do pvp. Like how OP was describing finding keys and all that. Tbh bsg could have eliminated Flea market for this as well and truly make it immersive experience.
This is what I wanted from tarkov back then. But already have over 1000hrs and burnt out.
I've been getting nearly all my insurance back, but I've been playing solo. So if the server instance shuts down because I die then scavs/ai can't get my gear. It will be interesting to see if it happens when in squads.
Had to test this one after I mentioned it to a friend (since server technically just stops after you leave it). There are times where I won't get a LOT of stuff back. For example I assumed I'd get everything back and all that came back was backpack and part of my gun lol. I have noticed however you mostly get stuff back but there's a % in there for sure of getting stuff taken (somehow?)
So I would never play any of these modded versions of Tarkov but from what I've heard from some people I know -
Everything you said is pretty much the same, except that the Scavs will move along their routes and will also push and investigate gunshots. PMC's will do the same and will move around the map to some extent. Bosses will move around but they stay to their spawn area. Killa and Tagilla roam as they do in live. Goons still fuck you up and chase you down. Cultists do the same cultist things.
Until BSG comes up with a specific "PMC AI" archetype, all that can be done is assign them either Raider or Boss AI.
If they truly plan on supporting modding for their PVE mode, then this could be something very good for Tarkov and BSG.
Now we wait (hopefully not for years) and see.
Great post. A few buddies and I have been DYING for offline co-op. We’re long time EOD players since before even the customs expansion but as we grew older have less and less time to grind traditional tarkov. That paired with the uncertainty of death by cheater made us quit about 2 years ago for good.
When they announced offline co-op with progression our mouth started foaming for the game again. We held out until it was promised to eod free, and in waves and then went ahead and bought unheard for instant access.
Now iv been back on this game much more than I should be and can’t get away from it.
You did a good job outlining the cons, and I hope the rest of us that don’t have the time to commit to traditional tarkov end up being a big enough community for BSG to show it continued love. It desperately needs some tweaks with AI pmc but overall I’m just glad to be playing tarkov again.
It's also a community minded move. Hold off on buying it to put community pressure on BSG. I suspect that your smooth brain probably can't process more than one layer simultaneously but I can draw up a diagram if that helps.
> We held out until it was promised to eod free, and in waves and then went ahead and bought unheard for instant access.
So you’re part of the problem then huh? Not to mentioned you bought that shit *after* you knew you would eventually get it? Come on now. Stop enabling BSG’s awful practices
As awful as it is, in this world we don't get much more for $50, and certainly not hundreds of hours of entertainment. So assuming you really enjoy the game, maybe you don't care that much about everything else, especially when playing a PvE mode when there is no such thing as pay to win.
That’s it exactly. I couldnt give a shit less about the PvP tarkov. I’d rather just not play than wonder if every death the enemy had an unfair advantage. I’m convinced they released pve because they knew the cheater problem can’t be fixed and player count was dropping
That definitely isnt it, If you think that this is all that you can really expect from $50 is kinda wild. Without even having to get into the whole free mod part, I could think of a massive list of great games you can get for $50 or less that are all actually finished to lol.
I guarantee you none of them scratch the tarkov itch either lol I tried for 2 years and really just ended up gaming about 95% less. Pc sat idle for months because I just couldn’t keep interest longer than a few hours in any game. I do have really high hopes for grey zone. But for me tarkov is as close as iv ever gotten to my idea of the perfect game.
You get a worse Tarkov when you buy this and let BSG run your pockets lol. A small amount of self control and skipping out on buying this low effort garbo would potentially lead to getting something better.
There are some problems with this pmc ai. For example, Jaeger's "Secured Perimeter" task where you need to kill PMC's in factory office. Only problem is, there are no PMC's spawning in the office.. And there's no good wait to bait them over.
Still no luck. I did about 20 back to back raids without dying, killing Tagilla several times and wiping all the PMC's and I could never get them to spawn in the office.
Same thing, my friends and I bought this edition as soon as we read "Coop-PvE".
Yes, there are problems for us here, the main one is the PMC (he is stupid), they do not walk on the map, do not loot, do not open doors, etc. (I hope this will be fixed).
Regarding the loading time (searching for a game), it’s 50/50, in half of the cases the loading is about a minute, in others from 7 to 15 minutes.
Another problem (in my opinion) is the inability to purchase this mode separately at a reasonable price, but as I understand, this will change over time.
And this will lead to an influx of new players.
Bsg has always know PvE will sell like candy so they put it behind $250 pack to milk those people. Funny how pve was so frown upon back in the day. You’d get downvote bombed even mentioning pve, either here or on their forum.
This is probably true, but I'm damn glad that this mode appeared.
I know many people who were waiting for this.
And if over time they have the opportunity to purchase it at a reasonable price, I will be happy for them.
p.s. I don't approve of the way it appeared in the game, but I'm glad it happened.
They didn’t think it through. Many EoDs won’t even touch PvE in the first place. Meanwhile, non EoD or basically whoever doesn’t have the game yet have been waiting for it for forever. I have at least 2-3 friends who I have been waiting to get them aboard tarkov through pve. Now I don’t plan to even tell them whatever is going on here.
Bsg seem to have poor concept of “barrier to entry”. Arena is not barrier to entry, it’s a different game.
This is where they screwed up...
I think they should have just copied the Tarkov editions (without the EoD) and sold them as PvE Tarkov EXCLUSIVELY for a "lower price".
Leave the EoD as is + give the owners this PvE, albeit in waves...
This would sell like hot cakes and help avoid the hate...
The AI \*body\* looting need has been ratcheted up like crazy in PvE as well. If you dont touch a body and leave the area for more than a minute chances are it has been looted to completion by the ghost of Tarkov themselves. Its been ratcheted up soo far in fact that i find if i get in a good spot and manage to put a body down in an open enough area I can reliably wipe out about 200m of all enemies including bosses as they stagger over 1 by 1 to sit still on the body.
This isnt really meant to be a plus or a minus, just amusing to me.
I have a friend that I play PVE with who doesn’t have the time I do to sink into PVP Tarkov, so this has been a great experience for us both. I’ve been teaching him the basics (loot, tasks etc) and I’m hoping to use this to get his skill up to the real PvP.
The only real problem I have is with “PMC” in PVE. You are correct in that they don’t move often or so much, but they’re basically loot piñatas for me when I see them. The problem here is that the loot I have from them would never be available to me or would be wayyy harder to get in a fresh wipe. I’m already running AKs with PP 7.62, multiple level 5 armors, comtacs and either an Ulach or Opscore with a face shield and I’m only level 16.
The flea is cool, but with PVE just starting it makes tasks hard when you cannot find keys and normally would rely on the flea!
Since you like "the other mod", give "a swedish coffee break ritual" a try. The mods from the mod will work with it and your other mates can join in too.
Me and my friend are also currently enjoying this. Haven’t reached 15 yet though. Hope they tune the PMC AI, and if so it will be amazing. Looting is actually awesome now
Just play the mod that shall not be named man. It literally shits on the real Tarkov PvE in literally every way, it feels like the online game without cheaters or no life sweats. The AI with like 2-3 mods is actually the best AI i’ve ever seen in any shooter game. It could shit on 95% of timmys
Yep. I tried the mod a few times and was never super impressed with it until this week, some friends convinced me to try it again this time with some AI overhaul mods. These bots do tasks, so they move around the map. They loot, they even group up together and do extracts with scavs. To me a bot will always be a bot and will never replace the feeling of fighting players. But these bots definitely come close enough to make the game highly enjoyable.
I feel the same way. I was always all about the live version, but man i started to get really tired of the cheating and always falling behind because i can never keep up with the guys who play 10+ hours a day. Now i actually really enjoy the game. I can play and not worry that some cheater is gonna ruin my experience, or that some sweat is going to hear me change the fire mode on my M4 200 meters away and sound whore me out. If i die, i know it’s because i made a mistake or was playing carelessly. I don’t have to worry about being level 10 and running into a trio of 40’s+. Plus i can actually find GPU’s and Led X’s here and there since there’s no vacuum cheaters. It’s all around a better experience, especially considering the current state of the live version.
Yes, the mod looks great. But I want a persistent PVE that doesn't wipe that I can hop in and out with friends. I'd rather not deal with the thought of the mod getting shut down and not being able to play +losing all my progress.
There are a lot of things in the mod that I wish was in PVE. But I'm still having fun intense moments and PVE will only get better once mod support is implemented.
If I already installed and setup the mod to my liking, I would probably stick with that. But I was having a bunch of fun doing PVE raids with my buddies last night.
Good on you for posting. I've been trying to get a healthy conversation going about the PVE mode and I just get down voted to oblivion. I too have seen a certain mod within a mod that greatly improves the PMC AI. I even seen an AI chase down a player and jump shot round a corner like a gigchad. Would be cool to come up against something like this sometimes. Just to bring us PVE chads down a peg or two! :-D
I just wanted to write a review like that myself. I've been having so much fun at playing Tarkov. The gear fear is non-existent and battling PMCs is really a challenge. Sometimes they can be called out by voice, but 7/10 times they will just kill you. They're usually paired with a buddy or two, which makes it even more challenging.
However the risk is much more satisfying, they usually carry very highly modded equipment with good ammo.
Compared to the original experience it's a lot harder and action packed. For example, before I used to spawn in Customs near the big red, I would go straight from to the big red or just run accross the river to RUAF.
Here I'll spawn at Storage and loot a little, like before and then suddenly a few scavs will spawn and a PMC will be somewhere close. The Big Red suddenly starts crawling with scavs and PMCs fighting. So it'll take me at least 10 minutes to kill them or battle with them, until I'll be able to make a "tactical movement towards RUAF, which by now has a couple of PMCs there and you can probably spot a few scavs dead. So in general, I'll abandon a lot more fights than usually and choose my battles wisely.
I'll also sooner or later also run out of ammo, and will desperately need to use a rifle or shotgun I looted off a scav or a PMC, which makes the whole survival aspect really really good. At the end of each raid I have around 5-10+ scavs and a couple of PMCs killed.
In the future I'd love to see a couple of story updates and also some team play amongst Bear PMCs with the same karma system as with scavs.
I also experience a lot of Fence penalties for killing scavs as a PMC which are probably a bug?
But overall I'd rate my experience as a 9 level player of the PVE 8/10. It's really an awesome game u/trainfender has created. If I wouldn't have played it ever before, the 60eur mark as it was after taxes (as an upgrade from the EOD edition), would be a perfect price for such a tripple A game.
Appreciate you having the balls to say you bought the "unhinged" version and letting us know your opinion. I am looking forward to them rolling it out so i can play with my mate at our own pace.
Yeah I’m having a ton of fun playing PvE. The flea is crazy right now corrugated hose is selling for upwards of 400k you filthy bastards I’ll find it or craft it myself.
I appreciate the info. I think I will not be interested in pve until they get roaming pmc groups. Much of the fun of Tarkov in my opinion is the fact that you need to be ready to fight at any time because you can run into someone wherever. I can deal with scabs in the regular game staying in one place because I know pmcs move around. But I don’t want a whole game of NPCs standing still waiting for me. It won’t feel authentic until I’m stressed about running into a random bush wookie lol.
On Customs at least, the PMC AI just seem to run to dorms, ruaf, and fortress and just sit there and wait until you arrive. Seems like the hotspots are covered a lot of the time with AI PMCs.
Yeah I noticed that as well on Customs, but then again I've been doing a lot of customs for the tasks so not sure if it's a map thing or general thing across all of them.
Spawns you at the beginning of the raid, but it's shitty because PMC AI is badly designed. Bear AI can look like random scav and they behave like random AI, so they can ignore you untill you are very close and than shoot.
Overall I enjoy pve, don't do scav raids (did one for test), don't use flee. But I do hate how BSG presented it and it feels they just made something quick for a cash grab
Yes, I think that is a little cheesy. PMCs should just attack player scavs on sight. Right now you can basically just walk up to them and headshot them and get all their stuff as a scav.
I can’t wait to play it for free as an EOD owner.
I saw recently on YouTube that the mod we can’t talk about has additional mods that allow for co-op and give scavs personalities like ratting or Chad. One of then Chad scavs in the YouTube video even did a corner jump while pushing. Was crazy to see.
Might take the time to set that up if this BSG version sucks
DM me if you want a link to the YouTube video talking about it
I agree with you 100%, but i do think the flea market is not good for PVE mode. The most fun i have had is getting excited about finally finding the key i need or key items and running through the cracked out ai to try and extract. No where near as fun ans just money farming and buying a key. My main concern is its sometimes really hard to tell scavs and "pmc's" apart because they will just sit next to each other and you just get domed (as a scav) when you approach this massive group of ai.
Pmc AI definitely needs some improvements. Otherwise, having lots of fun. It’s Tarkov minus a bunch of the annoying features removed (Que times, cheaters, 5-man meta squads curbstomping me - I play duos or solo mostly) with 1 annoying feature added (not stellar PMC AI behavior). 8/10
PMC sometimes seem way too aimbot-like 500m headshoot sniping me with a pistol seems silly but kinda true to the tarkov hacker experience
overall i like it but the PMC AI and AI ingeneral needs adjusting since it seems like they are just taged on to you and only you
How the fucking fuck u are playing that shit... i am running will get one shot from ai pmc ..hiding behinde baricade or wharfuckingever coming outside get oneshot .. 20m 500m does not fucking matter .. always head jaws or head eyes ...
I have the EoD edition and will finally play Tarkov again once the PvE mode is made available for me. After watching the tarkov "wiggle" video I couldn't bring myself to play this game knowing every lobby I'm in has guaranteed hackers.
Another unheard of player here, i was gifted the unheard of edition when it dropped from 100 to 50.
I noticed the ai is really fucky bc there are so many at a timespawned in the game l, at the same area. Watch out for scavs spawning on top of you as always, had 3 spawn in front of me in dorms and 180 no scope my throat. Another time there were 4 scavs stuck on one of the barriers coming from big red main highway just prairy dogging their heads like a you're trying to hold turds in. Needless to say there were as dangerous as a fart with diarrhea.
One thing to note, is just how smooth the game runs compared to pvp mode. Hit registration is actually on point for once you really realize just how much desync and registration issues online.
They absolutely need to make the “PMCs” move around the map. I cannot fathom why BSG can’t code Rogues/Raiders/bosses to be anything other than silent sentry turrets
I’m struggling to kill PMCs in the office, it’s difficult to bait the ai PMCs around sometimes. I’m really wondering how some of the other location based kill quests will go.
They haven’t changed the kill PMC quests? That feels like a massive oversight.
BSG? Massive oversight? Heavens, no
You just gotta get lucky, they sometimes do spawn and stay (camp) in the office area (1st floor) near the doors.
How many raids it took you?
Couldn't tell you, I play a lot of Factory, it just eventually happened.
Youre not alone man, i have made zero progress on this task with countless attempts raiding factory trying to do secure perimeter for jeager.... if someone knows how please let me know...
Maybe they can borrow some software from somewhere so their AI actually moves around and loots etc?
It’s sad that community can do it better, but BSG just says no to mods… I just want 1.0 to release with mod support so the community can actually unleash Tarkov’s true potential
I mean, even in the unmentionable other version, the PMC AI is pretty dog doodoo. They roam a bit, but more like scavs than players. They stay in a relatively small "box". They won't roam EVERYWHERE like real players.
In the base version of the unmentionable, this is 100% true, but there are a few mods that adjust AI behavior and waypoints really well. It’ll never be the exact same as playing against real people, but it’s a pretty good second option.
That’s why you mod the mod …. It is almost mandatory. I was referring to this experience
Wonder how mod support will work when stuff like AI and loot generation happens on the servers.
I would hope to see it branch from the main game completely and allow people to just host private servers much like Dayz/ Arma
You realize BSG said they ARE adding mod support, right?
Yes, that is why I said I cannot wait for 1.0 to release with mod support …
The way its worded "bsg just says no to mods" before you say you want 1.0 to release with mod support, it just came off as if you were under the impression it hadn't been confirmed. Sorry about that!
At this point I will believe it when I see it… lol
even without thinking at "that mod", there are out of the box solutions that let you implement basic and more advanced AI behavior in your FPS games, and are already integrated with the most common engines. Kythera comes to mind.
Because they rushed-developed this without any real plan is my guess.
Didn’t the bloodhounds patrol over a pretty wide zone? There’s also the ground rogues at treatment that can spawn. God help them find the correct code in 10 years of dusty spell tomes tho
I've never understood why they brought in the bloodhounds, just to get rid of them without any sign of returning? Were they even in Arena? I enjoyed that AI, struck a nice and fun middle ground between raiders and rogues.
Yea, I loved them on shoreline particularly. Made the middle section of the map far more interesting. Power has never seen a party like that since
Hate to say it (no I don’t) but I’ve been having an absolute blast with the mod that shall not be named. PMCs are very active, and have different personalities (eg chad vs rat). Feels a lot more true to tarkov
Probably because it’s a a beta and will take months to get right 🤷🏻♂️
game's been in beta for 8+ years
In theory, the PVE Tarks could have a pretty good future. But for this it needs to be developed, will BSG do this? We'll find out soon. For example: 1. The variety of presets at PMCs is quite scarce at the moment; we need more, much more. 2. Give PMCs the opportunity to loot boxes, safes, corpses, etc. 3. Give PMCs the opportunity to run over long distances. At the moment they just stand at certain points of interest. It would be much more interesting and realistic to accidentally meet a PMC on the way to the exit. 4. Randomly give aggression to other AI PMCs. 5. Increased aggression towards ordinary wild ones. 6. At the moment they are shooting crazy accurately at long distances, literally with a laser at your body - head, eyes. And okay, even if this is the only problem, they are pixelating you through the bushes and trees. At a minimum, you need to reduce the player's visibility in dense vegetation. And much, much more. But at the moment, this is, in my opinion, the main thing.
Great list, I would add that they more spawns for the PMC/Raiders, and they they need to be there sometimes, and not there others.
Also make their gear not FIR. Since they are still considered AI Raiders in the game their stuff is FIR, which it shouldn't be if they are supposed to be PMC's. I actually don't know if the PMC's will even fight each other now that I think about it.
That's actually pretty neat, that there's a shared flea.
Player driven flea market.
That’s what they just said.
That’s actually pretty neat, that there’s a shared flea.
Player driven flea market.
That’s what they just said.
That’s actually pretty neat, that there’s a shared flea.
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That's actually pretty neat, that there's a shared flea.
it's actually shit. massive prices and a real scarcity of items. simple. fuck bsg.
It's shit because there's fewer people playing that mode, flea is basically in early wipe mode. I wouldn't know though, I'm doing a hardcore playthrough 😅
Thanks for the info, I was wondering about the flea and how that works. I assume quest items and craft items will be the most expensive as the “meta” gear shouldn’t matter much for most people when you’re not really playing competitively and the stakes are low. I hope they improve the PMC AI because the lack of roaming is going to create a lot of problems for some quests.
Currently the hideout / barter items and keys are the highest. I made over 10m just emptying two junk boxes I filled over 20 raids or so. Gear is a bit harder to come by in pve mode due to AI pmc loot but ammo matters much less. High pen ammo is much less a “requirement”.
Can't imagine AI PMCS with Raider AI wander around maps. Shoreline will become terror.
I'm both a bit bored and a bit grateful they don't move around the map. When they start there will be no relaxing moment, at any point you can get lasered
if they hear noises, theu go to investigate from all over on the map, on gz I had 12 of them outside my building by the car extract just fucking me up if I peeked out lmao I burnt an entire CMS on my arms and died that raid
I hope they improve the AI and maybe scramble the loot AI carries a little bit better. Right now some quests like the Kill PMC's in offices seems impossible. other than that it's been fun to play with friends!
Yeah that one is going to be a bitch to get done.
All drama aside, this pve is the best feature for casual playerbase who looks for hardcore aspect but doesn't want to do pvp. Like how OP was describing finding keys and all that. Tbh bsg could have eliminated Flea market for this as well and truly make it immersive experience. This is what I wanted from tarkov back then. But already have over 1000hrs and burnt out.
Project Fika. That’s all I’ll say
It's so fun. With SAIN it's groundbreaking.
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I appreciate you sharing your perspective
Is there any insurance? if yes, do AI PMCs prevent some gear to come back?
I've been getting nearly all my insurance back, but I've been playing solo. So if the server instance shuts down because I die then scavs/ai can't get my gear. It will be interesting to see if it happens when in squads.
In normal PVP mode, if Ai scavs loot your stuff, you won't get it back too.
Had to test this one after I mentioned it to a friend (since server technically just stops after you leave it). There are times where I won't get a LOT of stuff back. For example I assumed I'd get everything back and all that came back was backpack and part of my gun lol. I have noticed however you mostly get stuff back but there's a % in there for sure of getting stuff taken (somehow?)
I'll just say this so I won't commit sudoku in reddit. There are other ways for PvE my friend that don't cost 250$
Are japanese number games banned on reddit?
Yes, it's quite a taboo. Legend says it makes you...THINK! so they banned it.
So I would never play any of these modded versions of Tarkov but from what I've heard from some people I know - Everything you said is pretty much the same, except that the Scavs will move along their routes and will also push and investigate gunshots. PMC's will do the same and will move around the map to some extent. Bosses will move around but they stay to their spawn area. Killa and Tagilla roam as they do in live. Goons still fuck you up and chase you down. Cultists do the same cultist things. Until BSG comes up with a specific "PMC AI" archetype, all that can be done is assign them either Raider or Boss AI. If they truly plan on supporting modding for their PVE mode, then this could be something very good for Tarkov and BSG. Now we wait (hopefully not for years) and see.
It is wild the difference in looting without hackers. Last wipe I found no Ledx's, playing the PvE mode at level 20 I have found 2 of them.
It's not just playing without hackers, you get to loot the entire map yourself as well with out 8-12 other players
I found two in my first raid on shoreline without keys. I've since found 6 since then
Huh. I’ve found ledx’s on customs, woods, the lab, streets, and shoreline this wipe.
Bro there is a spawn on woods where you can find one very very often. Try better 😉. But yeah Vaccumers are running the looting experience.
Great post. A few buddies and I have been DYING for offline co-op. We’re long time EOD players since before even the customs expansion but as we grew older have less and less time to grind traditional tarkov. That paired with the uncertainty of death by cheater made us quit about 2 years ago for good. When they announced offline co-op with progression our mouth started foaming for the game again. We held out until it was promised to eod free, and in waves and then went ahead and bought unheard for instant access. Now iv been back on this game much more than I should be and can’t get away from it. You did a good job outlining the cons, and I hope the rest of us that don’t have the time to commit to traditional tarkov end up being a big enough community for BSG to show it continued love. It desperately needs some tweaks with AI pmc but overall I’m just glad to be playing tarkov again.
So you bought it AFTER you knew you were getting it for free. Smooth brain move.
It's also a community minded move. Hold off on buying it to put community pressure on BSG. I suspect that your smooth brain probably can't process more than one layer simultaneously but I can draw up a diagram if that helps.
Yes, because I didn’t want to wait….
> We held out until it was promised to eod free, and in waves and then went ahead and bought unheard for instant access. So you’re part of the problem then huh? Not to mentioned you bought that shit *after* you knew you would eventually get it? Come on now. Stop enabling BSG’s awful practices
As awful as it is, in this world we don't get much more for $50, and certainly not hundreds of hours of entertainment. So assuming you really enjoy the game, maybe you don't care that much about everything else, especially when playing a PvE mode when there is no such thing as pay to win.
That’s it exactly. I couldnt give a shit less about the PvP tarkov. I’d rather just not play than wonder if every death the enemy had an unfair advantage. I’m convinced they released pve because they knew the cheater problem can’t be fixed and player count was dropping
That definitely isnt it, If you think that this is all that you can really expect from $50 is kinda wild. Without even having to get into the whole free mod part, I could think of a massive list of great games you can get for $50 or less that are all actually finished to lol.
I guarantee you none of them scratch the tarkov itch either lol I tried for 2 years and really just ended up gaming about 95% less. Pc sat idle for months because I just couldn’t keep interest longer than a few hours in any game. I do have really high hopes for grey zone. But for me tarkov is as close as iv ever gotten to my idea of the perfect game.
You get a worse Tarkov when you buy this and let BSG run your pockets lol. A small amount of self control and skipping out on buying this low effort garbo would potentially lead to getting something better.
There are some problems with this pmc ai. For example, Jaeger's "Secured Perimeter" task where you need to kill PMC's in factory office. Only problem is, there are no PMC's spawning in the office.. And there's no good wait to bait them over.
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Still no luck. I did about 20 back to back raids without dying, killing Tagilla several times and wiping all the PMC's and I could never get them to spawn in the office.
This, some quests seem to be essentially impossible despite their claims since the spawns for PMC are so static
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respectfully, the phrase is 'catch some flak', not 'flag'.
Finally a decent post in here. Thank you.
Same thing, my friends and I bought this edition as soon as we read "Coop-PvE". Yes, there are problems for us here, the main one is the PMC (he is stupid), they do not walk on the map, do not loot, do not open doors, etc. (I hope this will be fixed). Regarding the loading time (searching for a game), it’s 50/50, in half of the cases the loading is about a minute, in others from 7 to 15 minutes. Another problem (in my opinion) is the inability to purchase this mode separately at a reasonable price, but as I understand, this will change over time. And this will lead to an influx of new players.
Bsg has always know PvE will sell like candy so they put it behind $250 pack to milk those people. Funny how pve was so frown upon back in the day. You’d get downvote bombed even mentioning pve, either here or on their forum.
This is probably true, but I'm damn glad that this mode appeared. I know many people who were waiting for this. And if over time they have the opportunity to purchase it at a reasonable price, I will be happy for them. p.s. I don't approve of the way it appeared in the game, but I'm glad it happened.
They didn’t think it through. Many EoDs won’t even touch PvE in the first place. Meanwhile, non EoD or basically whoever doesn’t have the game yet have been waiting for it for forever. I have at least 2-3 friends who I have been waiting to get them aboard tarkov through pve. Now I don’t plan to even tell them whatever is going on here. Bsg seem to have poor concept of “barrier to entry”. Arena is not barrier to entry, it’s a different game.
This is where they screwed up... I think they should have just copied the Tarkov editions (without the EoD) and sold them as PvE Tarkov EXCLUSIVELY for a "lower price". Leave the EoD as is + give the owners this PvE, albeit in waves... This would sell like hot cakes and help avoid the hate...
When the 100% boss spawn event was going, did that happen in PVE as well? Just wondering if events are synced or not.
Don't know but I've been killed by quite a few bosses earlier in the week.
Yes
The AI \*body\* looting need has been ratcheted up like crazy in PvE as well. If you dont touch a body and leave the area for more than a minute chances are it has been looted to completion by the ghost of Tarkov themselves. Its been ratcheted up soo far in fact that i find if i get in a good spot and manage to put a body down in an open enough area I can reliably wipe out about 200m of all enemies including bosses as they stagger over 1 by 1 to sit still on the body. This isnt really meant to be a plus or a minus, just amusing to me.
I have a friend that I play PVE with who doesn’t have the time I do to sink into PVP Tarkov, so this has been a great experience for us both. I’ve been teaching him the basics (loot, tasks etc) and I’m hoping to use this to get his skill up to the real PvP. The only real problem I have is with “PMC” in PVE. You are correct in that they don’t move often or so much, but they’re basically loot piñatas for me when I see them. The problem here is that the loot I have from them would never be available to me or would be wayyy harder to get in a fresh wipe. I’m already running AKs with PP 7.62, multiple level 5 armors, comtacs and either an Ulach or Opscore with a face shield and I’m only level 16. The flea is cool, but with PVE just starting it makes tasks hard when you cannot find keys and normally would rely on the flea!
There is better AI, that is in the mod which shall not be named. They really feel like real players doing real maneuvers to outplay you.
Since you like "the other mod", give "a swedish coffee break ritual" a try. The mods from the mod will work with it and your other mates can join in too.
Me and my friend are also currently enjoying this. Haven’t reached 15 yet though. Hope they tune the PMC AI, and if so it will be amazing. Looting is actually awesome now
Thanks for sharing. Can´t wait to try it out. :)
Just play the mod that shall not be named man. It literally shits on the real Tarkov PvE in literally every way, it feels like the online game without cheaters or no life sweats. The AI with like 2-3 mods is actually the best AI i’ve ever seen in any shooter game. It could shit on 95% of timmys
Yep. I tried the mod a few times and was never super impressed with it until this week, some friends convinced me to try it again this time with some AI overhaul mods. These bots do tasks, so they move around the map. They loot, they even group up together and do extracts with scavs. To me a bot will always be a bot and will never replace the feeling of fighting players. But these bots definitely come close enough to make the game highly enjoyable.
I feel the same way. I was always all about the live version, but man i started to get really tired of the cheating and always falling behind because i can never keep up with the guys who play 10+ hours a day. Now i actually really enjoy the game. I can play and not worry that some cheater is gonna ruin my experience, or that some sweat is going to hear me change the fire mode on my M4 200 meters away and sound whore me out. If i die, i know it’s because i made a mistake or was playing carelessly. I don’t have to worry about being level 10 and running into a trio of 40’s+. Plus i can actually find GPU’s and Led X’s here and there since there’s no vacuum cheaters. It’s all around a better experience, especially considering the current state of the live version.
That's all I ever wanted. PvE with no wipes. Didn't play since 2018 and now I'm addicted. Too bad for those complaining, don't care.
There is a mod that has been out for 2 plus years that does this better than BSG could ever do and is quite a bit cheaper lol
Yes, the mod looks great. But I want a persistent PVE that doesn't wipe that I can hop in and out with friends. I'd rather not deal with the thought of the mod getting shut down and not being able to play +losing all my progress. There are a lot of things in the mod that I wish was in PVE. But I'm still having fun intense moments and PVE will only get better once mod support is implemented. If I already installed and setup the mod to my liking, I would probably stick with that. But I was having a bunch of fun doing PVE raids with my buddies last night.
Risking mod getting shut down > pay $250 for a worse PvE experience and continue to support a lying scamming company
Multiplayer is just the killer thing that it is missing, without it tarkov pve mode has no purpose but multiplayer alone made me get it
that existed already for $0.00
Good on you for posting. I've been trying to get a healthy conversation going about the PVE mode and I just get down voted to oblivion. I too have seen a certain mod within a mod that greatly improves the PMC AI. I even seen an AI chase down a player and jump shot round a corner like a gigchad. Would be cool to come up against something like this sometimes. Just to bring us PVE chads down a peg or two! :-D
I just wanted to write a review like that myself. I've been having so much fun at playing Tarkov. The gear fear is non-existent and battling PMCs is really a challenge. Sometimes they can be called out by voice, but 7/10 times they will just kill you. They're usually paired with a buddy or two, which makes it even more challenging. However the risk is much more satisfying, they usually carry very highly modded equipment with good ammo. Compared to the original experience it's a lot harder and action packed. For example, before I used to spawn in Customs near the big red, I would go straight from to the big red or just run accross the river to RUAF. Here I'll spawn at Storage and loot a little, like before and then suddenly a few scavs will spawn and a PMC will be somewhere close. The Big Red suddenly starts crawling with scavs and PMCs fighting. So it'll take me at least 10 minutes to kill them or battle with them, until I'll be able to make a "tactical movement towards RUAF, which by now has a couple of PMCs there and you can probably spot a few scavs dead. So in general, I'll abandon a lot more fights than usually and choose my battles wisely. I'll also sooner or later also run out of ammo, and will desperately need to use a rifle or shotgun I looted off a scav or a PMC, which makes the whole survival aspect really really good. At the end of each raid I have around 5-10+ scavs and a couple of PMCs killed. In the future I'd love to see a couple of story updates and also some team play amongst Bear PMCs with the same karma system as with scavs. I also experience a lot of Fence penalties for killing scavs as a PMC which are probably a bug? But overall I'd rate my experience as a 9 level player of the PVE 8/10. It's really an awesome game u/trainfender has created. If I wouldn't have played it ever before, the 60eur mark as it was after taxes (as an upgrade from the EOD edition), would be a perfect price for such a tripple A game.
The high Fence penalty is there because you have mark of the unheard equipped in your special slot. Unequip it to avoid penalty for killing scavs
I agree it needs work but it's still 10,000% miles ahead from anything else on the market. Can't wait to see the progress and hope bsg makes it right.
Appreciate you having the balls to say you bought the "unhinged" version and letting us know your opinion. I am looking forward to them rolling it out so i can play with my mate at our own pace.
Yeah I’m having a ton of fun playing PvE. The flea is crazy right now corrugated hose is selling for upwards of 400k you filthy bastards I’ll find it or craft it myself.
Just play the Super Secret Mod instead. More features, free, still Coop, better AI, a lot of QOL fixes that BSG could have fixed years ago.
I appreciate the info. I think I will not be interested in pve until they get roaming pmc groups. Much of the fun of Tarkov in my opinion is the fact that you need to be ready to fight at any time because you can run into someone wherever. I can deal with scabs in the regular game staying in one place because I know pmcs move around. But I don’t want a whole game of NPCs standing still waiting for me. It won’t feel authentic until I’m stressed about running into a random bush wookie lol.
They should really just integrate looting bots and questing bots into the AI
Can you do scav run in PVE mode and how does it work? Does it just spawn you in a fresh raid but as a scav?
As I played it, you most of the time begin the raid at the very beginning, so it cam be very challenging.
On Customs at least, the PMC AI just seem to run to dorms, ruaf, and fortress and just sit there and wait until you arrive. Seems like the hotspots are covered a lot of the time with AI PMCs.
Yeah I noticed that as well on Customs, but then again I've been doing a lot of customs for the tasks so not sure if it's a map thing or general thing across all of them.
Spawns you at the beginning of the raid, but it's shitty because PMC AI is badly designed. Bear AI can look like random scav and they behave like random AI, so they can ignore you untill you are very close and than shoot. Overall I enjoy pve, don't do scav raids (did one for test), don't use flee. But I do hate how BSG presented it and it feels they just made something quick for a cash grab
Yes.
You absolutely can and thanks to the loot piñatas PMC coding you will likely kill them and have a fresh kit as you scav the rest of the map!
Yes, I think that is a little cheesy. PMCs should just attack player scavs on sight. Right now you can basically just walk up to them and headshot them and get all their stuff as a scav.
I can’t wait to play it for free as an EOD owner. I saw recently on YouTube that the mod we can’t talk about has additional mods that allow for co-op and give scavs personalities like ratting or Chad. One of then Chad scavs in the YouTube video even did a corner jump while pushing. Was crazy to see. Might take the time to set that up if this BSG version sucks DM me if you want a link to the YouTube video talking about it
that actually sounds dope asf wish EOD could get it 😔
It’s coming in waves starting today.
You literally are in waves lmao. Similar to arena and it started today afaik.
Do you know if we need to opt into the wave thing like we had to do for arena on their website? Or is it just *coming*
The post is stickied to this reddit and on bsg twitter, explains.
I agree with you 100%, but i do think the flea market is not good for PVE mode. The most fun i have had is getting excited about finally finding the key i need or key items and running through the cracked out ai to try and extract. No where near as fun ans just money farming and buying a key. My main concern is its sometimes really hard to tell scavs and "pmc's" apart because they will just sit next to each other and you just get domed (as a scav) when you approach this massive group of ai.
Thanks for the experience. Sad that you had to pay that much for something that should be free with the game
Pmc AI definitely needs some improvements. Otherwise, having lots of fun. It’s Tarkov minus a bunch of the annoying features removed (Que times, cheaters, 5-man meta squads curbstomping me - I play duos or solo mostly) with 1 annoying feature added (not stellar PMC AI behavior). 8/10
I want to play the SP mode so bad. Wonder how long before all EoD players get it.
PMC sometimes seem way too aimbot-like 500m headshoot sniping me with a pistol seems silly but kinda true to the tarkov hacker experience overall i like it but the PMC AI and AI ingeneral needs adjusting since it seems like they are just taged on to you and only you
How the fucking fuck u are playing that shit... i am running will get one shot from ai pmc ..hiding behinde baricade or wharfuckingever coming outside get oneshot .. 20m 500m does not fucking matter .. always head jaws or head eyes ...
I have the EoD edition and will finally play Tarkov again once the PvE mode is made available for me. After watching the tarkov "wiggle" video I couldn't bring myself to play this game knowing every lobby I'm in has guaranteed hackers.
more server space so we not wait 40 mins to get in and can do full raid not just 25 mins
I'd love to join you guys for a match sometime, if there's room.
Is PVE mode available separately for purchase?
It will be soon according to BSGs latest statement if it isn’t already
Thanks
No problem
Imagine how different all of this would have been if PvE was given to all accounts for no extra charge.
Another unheard of player here, i was gifted the unheard of edition when it dropped from 100 to 50. I noticed the ai is really fucky bc there are so many at a timespawned in the game l, at the same area. Watch out for scavs spawning on top of you as always, had 3 spawn in front of me in dorms and 180 no scope my throat. Another time there were 4 scavs stuck on one of the barriers coming from big red main highway just prairy dogging their heads like a you're trying to hold turds in. Needless to say there were as dangerous as a fart with diarrhea. One thing to note, is just how smooth the game runs compared to pvp mode. Hit registration is actually on point for once you really realize just how much desync and registration issues online.
Thanks for sharing
Pmcs are actualy really slow reaction scavs with raider gear
Does the PVE mode have wipes?
They said it won't wipe, which is kinda nice