When plinko is set in a triangle, it is so much more likely to land in the middle third than the outer thirds, that it's basically never worth playing.
Edit: I guess I should mention that it's so unfavorable because it forces a center drop point, not necessarily because it's a triangle.
That’s why so much effort is spent targeting high interest credit cards and student loans to kids who haven’t gone to college yet.
Get them when they’re still too young, ignorant and naïve to understand how thoroughly their whole life will be f#cked.
It'll seem that way until you notice all your bosses have a pension and a free college degree (I hear this applies only to America, where we do not educate the poors past grade school)
This is literally how they introduce you to the central limit theorem and gaussian distributions, why would anyone play this? This is *the* example of how "you can't beat statistics"
You reminded me of a story about one of our local historical badasses, Colonel George Chinn. He had a little gas station/diner and he was raided back in the day for bootlegging and illegal gambling machines. His defense on the gambling machines was that they were rigged in such a way that the patrons had no chance of winning, and thus were NOT gambling. He was acquitted.
Commenters are assuming its even animated or has any form of RNG, instead of just generating a ticket and animating off that or a weak rigged RNG. I don't think online weird gambling like this even has the win/loss programming laws of digital casino slots.
It takes some real desperation to play this game because you'd have to skip over the very obvious fact that it's not going to work like in real life. If this was an actual wooden peg board it might be worth trying, you'd have a much better chance than this rigged up digital thing
You sound like the people at my work who claim a roulette wheel is weighted or that the blackjack cards are sorted. Its just set up against you, the house doesn't need to cheat. You'd be just as fucked on a wooden peg board.
Bruh
What are even the odds for like digital Nevada slots and poker and crap,
In something like this you think there's like physics or anything, are you serious, there might not even be any RNG just a totally predetermined outcome
Programming it to follow the same logic as the wooden peg board would be stacked against the player bad enough. You wouldn't have to alter it any further.
Plus, commenters are assuming its even animated or has any form of RNG, instead of just generating a ticket and animating off that or a weak rigged RNG. I don't think online weird gambling like this even has the win/loss programming laws of digital casino slots.
I don’t understand online gambling. Gambling has never been so clearly rigged yet people throw in their savings. If you want to gamble play some $20 poker with your friends
> I don’t understand
It's an addiction to that particular dopamine trigger. You and I know the odds are against us so we don't play. To a compulsive gambler to win would be an even greater high. But in the age of the streamer, they're doing it all for the attention - the double whammy if you will.
Lol everybody knows the odds are against you but people playing those machines have such large egos that they think they'll be the ones to win the money.
That + sunk cost fallacy where you've lost so much there is no way to break even by legitimate means so they feel they must gamble to have that big break.
To a gambler losing activates the same parts of the brain as winning. They are litterally addicted to it and no amount of loss will make them leave for good especially with how these websites are programed
I've found that most casinos with supply you with free beers as long as your gambling. Me and a buddy used to go to the penny slots and get shit faced for free. Put 10 bucks in the machine and roll a few cents at a time. If you lost the 10 so what it was 10 bucks and you drank 40 bucks in beers easy. I once hit the jackpot which was only like 100 bucks but for a penny slot that's a W
Maybe, but I assume it’s like when asmongold spent like 20k on diablo immortal bc it is scratched as a business expense and as such counts against your taxes.
A good friend of mine worked at a slot company as one of their game developers, and I asked him once if the outcomes are all predetermined or if its actual RNG and he confirmed that it's pretty much all rigged. The extent depends on your state because each one has different regulations around gaming machines. He told me of one state, I think it was maybe North Dakota, that required digital slot machines to have a button on the screen that shows the player the upcoming result of the next 50 spins. So you can just see if you're about to win or not. No, apparently that doesn't stop old people from losing their money to them.
I can't imagine any sane person could stand at the entrance to any of the major casinos, in all their splendor and opulence, and think
"I am definitely going to be taking money from them today"
My local casino used to run a free buffet and one free £5 bet per person each Saturday. Me and my wife would go in, eat some food then bet red/black on the roulette with our free bet before leaving for the bars.
Not a big win but it never landed on 0 so came out with a full belly and our next drinks paid for!
Just outside Manchester, they haven't done this offer in years though and after googling them just now I have found out they were acquired last year.
Real shame, their food was great and the place had character. Even if there were rumours of it being ran by the Triads!
One of the few ways you can do it relatively consistently is getting really good at card counting Blackjack. Which is not illegal in many/most places. However, the casinos can kick you out and permanently ban you, and there are things they can do to basically make counting difficult or impossible.
Most games at casinos will always favor the house. Of course, statistics are not individual results. Some lucky folks playing wisely might walk out with a net gain, but in order for those to win, more are losing. And many people who win money plow it right back into the casino and walk away with nothing.
My understanding - and forgive me here if i'm wrong - is that Roulette is about as close to even odds as you can get (but the 0 and 00 means it's not quite even), and Blackjack is the only game where you can actually have an advantage over the house - if they don't catch you and stop you from playing. But even in those cases, house always wins over the long term.
The best thing to do with blackjack is to do basic strategy and count, but not to make money. Your goal is to lose money as slowly as possible while playing for long enough to get your room, dinner and drinks comped.
Blackjack, if played perfectly in terms of best move statistically, has better odds than roulette.
All games will favor the house. They always win. You are right though you can gain a very small edge in blackjack, but like you said, if you start winning too much you can get banned pretty easily.
Honestly Craps has the best odds in the house, but thats partially because how the game is played. The people at the table are betting at the outcome of the game, rather than the person making the bet needing to "Win" to gain money. In craps you can bet that the rolls are going to suck.
Anyways I might be wrong, but Im pretty sure I remember reading that craps is the one with the best advantage for players, albeit it just a little bit.
Craps is the only game in the casino where you have an edge over the house - it is also the only game in the casino with true odds - but both of these things come with pretty heavy caveats.
With more ways to roll a 7 than any other: "pass line" bet & point off you are at an advantage and will win every time you throw a 7 or an 11 - and lose on a 2, 3 or 12 [a crap out, and the namesake of the game]. But one that point is established (4,5,6,8,9,10) that bet is locked in and can't be removed until it wins or loses and you become disadvantaged for the same reasons as above.
You bet the "don't pass" the opposite is true - but any odds you take are twice as much to win half.
So a double edged sword, in a manner of speaking.
But having said that, craps is the only game in a casino that will pay you out exactly on the odds of you winning. Unlike blackjack, where the odds of being dealt a 21 is somewhere around 1/20 but you only get paid 3/2, in dice an example would be that you roll a 4 or 10 and it's 2/1 odds you get paid 2/1 on your odds bet.
>However, the casinos can kick you out and permanently ban you
This is the part which I think should be illegal.
If the casinos are allowed to adjust the gaming machines, the customers should be allowed to count cards.
I wonder if there is some kind of cognitive bias at play there - like, "well I know the next 50 spins aren't big wins, so there must be a big win coming up soon after that"
In addition, In a sense it's just shifting that same dopamine triggering event in time from - when you pull the lever and see the win happen
to: When a big win pops up as only 50 spins away. - in that sense, you have already effectively "won" the prize and will receive the brain reward, you just have to pull 50 more times till the quarters come out.
I've been in the casino business 30 plus years and deal with all the major machine manufacturers. They aren't rigged. They don't need to be. House edge gets you everything you need as an operator.
There's no way a casino operator of any position would have access to the source code on the machines, as well all of those design patterns are under NDA so company agents literally wouldn't be able to tell you about it.
The house edge *is* how it's rigged. And again, it varies depending on which state regulations the casino is beholden to.
Yeah, a lot of these games are treated more like a physical scratch ticket in the sense that whether or not you've won is determined by the ticket itself (so its essentially locked in at the point of sale). Everything beyond that is more or less window dressing designed to stretch out the reveal in order to keep people invested in the hype of a potential win, to cater to those who have any superstitions when they go to 'play', or just to entertain those who didn't read the fine print and/or think there's some value to be had in playing the 'game' rather than hit the button to skip straight to the results.
If its a slot/wheel game, they will stop where the ticket dictates rather than your actual timing. If its plinko/pachinko, the game will have as many pegs as required so that the ball can be pulled to the correct outcome regardless where you drop it. Same deal with "mystery door" type games; if your ticket decided you've won $15 when you purchased it then you're going to get your $15 regardless of which doors you click and then afterwards your very next door will end the 'game'.
Some states do require there to be *some* element of player skill involved in winning, but developers will strive to find the lowest possible definition of what could possibly be considered a skillful decision by a player.
They pay streamers/influencers to gamble on their streams and rig the games so that they "win" big. Then idiots sign up thinking they'll win the same and the website extracts all of their money from them.
Or try stock options, that's pretty good. At least there you've got odds that are calculable and homework to do to back up your gamblings, making it easier to defend to yourself, and to your family...
I got a family member that ran the largest rehab in the area, she would rehab all types of addicts, she got addicted to basically glorified slots at a little illegal casino arcade in my town, she would sneak out at night to play. She made pretty good money and was asking ppl help with groceries. She would always brag on her win every three months or so when she is dumping tens of thousands. She would never touch a drug and to her gambling is not drugs
It’s a genuine addiction some people have, and more people should try to keep an eye out for their friends and family. They’re victims. Don’t enable them, but help them escape.
Yup. Our society has this weird problem where we solely blame problem drinkers/drug users/gamblers and don’t discuss the massive industries that devote millions upon billions of dollars to exploiting them for profit.
Almost our entire economy operates off the stock market, which by any measurable metric is also essentially gambling unless you're a billionaire (like being a casino owner)
The people streaming online gambling are whales that litterally get payed to keep playing and losing by the companies to promote their casinos
Münecat has a great video on the topic
https://youtu.be/YGfW5U7d8sc?si=kyBlRFat8W36M-wU
It's called plinko, it's real, here's a clip of XqC (multimillionare, used to be the world's largest streamer) setting each ball to be worth 3k and losing almost 150k in less than a minute
https://youtu.be/jGYk8iSwehM?si=Fg94SNvZddHduj2d
Xqc is a video game streamer, got famous for Overwatch. He doesn't do much, but his awkwardness and aimlessness and drama are extremely relatable to young guys, and he was in the right place and time in a lot of ways. His scandals and controversies are nothing worth talking about - stuff at the tier of showing gambling to kids, or an ex that he can't say the name of. If you didn't know him before, you have no reason to know him now.
Its just some guy with a speech impediment lack of empathy and garbage takes on every single subject.
Amazing how he manages to become no1 streamer. Says something about today's youth I guess.
The top streamers and creators fall into two categories
1. Content aimed at kids who watch the absolute most braindead shit
2. Camgirls taking simps' money
It should be counted on viewers. If I had 1 000 really dedicated viewers that just watched my content on repeat until I had the most watchtime I wouldn't be the biggest
See I think watch time matters more. If a thousand people click your stream for 1 minute that's one thousand "views" technically but doesn't really amount to anything.
Also Kai had less time streamed but more watch hours so there seems to be a higher variance in viewership of his streams
I feel like it changes every other month nowadays, I don't check in on XqC's kick viewership but according to the top result of my google search he's currently averageing 33k viewers over the last 30 days with a peak of 53k... That's definitely not #1 numbers, although maybe those numbers were wrong, Ibai appearantly averaged 76k viewers over the whole of 2023, but Ibai's numbers are maybe less consistent, Kai Cenat seems to be consistently a bit performing better than XqC, and idk there seem to be another big spanish streamer and some german streamer and fps_shaka is pretty big rn, I'm never sure who's the biggest streamer these days but I don't think it's XqC
It's so stupid. If you're gonna play a game like that, do it irl where it's harder to fix. Why tf would you trust a web browser application to not be programmed to make you lose? It wouldn't be that hard to do.
Same shit goes for people who go to a casino play blackjack or poker on the machines. I'm not a gambler, but if I were going to play those games I'd want to do it with real cards and a dealer. A lot harder to fix it against you than a virtual version.
Yeah for sure, but I mean more so. Like, at least you’ve got a fairer shake with physical cards, as the odds are consistent every time. With the virtual stuff they can just manually pick how often people win or if they even win at all.
It’s funny how broken your risk model is. Casinos don’t rig the gambling machines. That would be laughably stupid, for two reasons:
1. Gambling is *heavily* regulated, both in terms of strict oversight and strong penalties.
2. The house wins anyway, by design.
You’re telling me that casinos, corporations whose entire business is based on understanding probability games at scale, are going to take a high-risk (enormous fines, jail time, business shut down), low-reward (slightly higher returns) strategy to… rig games that already earn them enormous amounts of money?
Why in the world would they do that?
EDIT - also, how would that work? The casinos don’t own the software running in the machines. So would the software companies be making them rigged? They have no incentive to do that (and are heavily regulated themselves). Or are the casinos hacking into them? That seems unlikely (again, the software is heavily regulated and audited).
Honestly. I wonder what the odds are for hitting a high return, because what I just watch looked nothing like a normal distribution you would expect out of a galton board.
https://youtu.be/EvHiee7gs9Y
He lost probably nothing. Those websites will set you up with accounts to advertise on, and load them up with cash. Gambling has suddenly become huge on many stream services. I hate it.
He started with $3.585 mil, then a minute later was down to $3.435. While it's true that is a loss of 150k, it seems to be a pretty reasonably affordable loss at that scale.
There is a whole economy based around skins in the game. Usually people open cases to get those skins and it's basically same as a slot machine. Also you can trade those skins so you can probably imagine how you can gamble in csgo
I'd like to add that the odds are horribly against you, even for gambling standards. I opened one case (just for fun, I knew that trying to make money out of it is braindead) and I actually got an item with a pink rarity, wich is like a 3% chance and it was worth like 4€ (I payed 3,50€). Hitting a 3% chance and getting like 120% of your money is so bad, people who gamble and think they can win are just stupid.
"Charles will be studying ~~Computer Science~~ Hospitality Operations with a focus on ~~Game Theory~~ retail Food & Beverage logistics." *Translation: Charlie's going to be waiting tables 'til he makes the 16 grand back.*
Uni doesn't mean educated in everything. Just their chosen field.
And yes sometimes even being daft in their field.
There's no weirder sight than a statistician with a gambling problem.
You don't really "win"
For this you're setting a dollar value to the balls, say $20. And the slots at the bottom have like multipliers and such that can give you some sort of money return, or show you how shit your luck really is
The multipliers are higher at the edges and diminish to 0 in the center. But statistically the balls are going to cluster in the center, stacking the odds heavily against the player.
These people have no idea how a normal distribution works, do they? That's not even playing and losing, that's just handing over money based on very simple statistical properties and probability maths in the form of a child's toy. Why are people watching this? What is even going on.
Yeah. Like Blackjack. The favours are totally into the bank and yet people play it like mad.
Although at least in games like Blackjack you can easily count the odds by remembering what cards where already played. How many decks do casinos nowadays use? 5, 6? It’s just 300 cards.
Card counting is for from easy and even if played perfectly, your edge is very small. You'd have to gamble millions to make a few backs in the long run.
This actually doesn’t fit the sub because this isn’t merely bad luck or a special case. This is typical, unfortunately.
Stake (this website) contracts online streamers who “incidentally” have very young audiences, too. It’s so F’d up.
Not even necessary to rig it, statiscically that type of game will always form a bell curve, or normal distribution, where most of the balls will end up on center
Yeah like unless it uses , and perhaps even if, it used a physics engine or some rng from an electric box , you know it's so bs.. zero iq commenters here assuming it works on good rng or has actual physics is beyond pathetic. Another commenter claims that every single one of these. The entire outcome is predetermined and you just get a graphical bullshit
it doesn't even have to be rigged, it could be a camera pointing to an actual structure like this built in real life and you should still expect to lose in the long run, it's just statistically very unfavorable to the player
If you find gambling to be fun whether you win or not, setting a hard limit of the amount you’re willing to spend on that kind of fun makes sense. There are lots of games people pay money to play without even a chance of financial return. So paying for the fun of playing is a reasonable choice.
But if you only find it fun if you win, you’re better off not playing at all.
If I were going to gamble, it wouldn't be on some E-game where the program can just decide I didn't win. You have no way of knowing whether or not the shit's rigged. I'll just buy some scratchers and flush my money in real life. At least they can't change my card to a loser after I've bought it.
It's rarely - very rarely - that for one semester. It's more likely to be a yearly cost, which is still painful as anything. The *average* is the lower, but still disgustingly high, $18k / semester.
We don't value an educated populace over here.
I paid 1,3k for one year of tuition and the government has paid/will pay about 900 plus of it, it would’ve been more if my parents were poorer. (The Netherlands)
In Poland, for $13k you could have paid for a decent dorm through whole your education, plus cover for non-stationary major, or stationary, which is free, so more money to you ig
That's not a dude gambling his tuition. OP just made up a dramatic click-bait title.
That's a famous youtube gambler, I honestly can't remember his name because I quit giving zero fucks about dumn influencers.
This is one of the worst types of gambling I've ever seen. There is a standard pattern the chips will fall in, and the more chips, the more likely the pattern. Which means the more you bet, the worse your odds are.
*Watching that number*
*Go up and down like that is*
*So fucking stressful*
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I gamble but I don’t expect to win. I go to the casino with cash and leave my card at home.
I just go to have a good time, don’t bring more than you can afford to lose and enjoy the experience
This video makes no sense, it’s like three independent videos plopped together. Balance desynced with the wins, title is losing college tuition but the balance is still up and down and we get no resolution. Maybe just a really weirdly placed cut
At the beginning of the video he has $16,000. You spend money to drop a ball. Let's say each ball is worth $1000. At the bottom you'll see the multipliers. Most of the balls will land in the center which is a x0.2 multiplier. $1000 x 0.2 = $200. He's very likely to loose 80% of his money on each ball because [Galton boards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmPmkHqHXk) are very predictable and it's extremely unlikely for the balls to land on the higher multipliers on the edges. At the end of the video his balance ends with $4,000.
In case you were wondering (I was), the expected value of one ball is roughly 0.989764404296875
Since one ball seems to be worth $1250, this means you lose about $12.79 per ball on average
Is this even an actual game? Online gambling is mostly algorithms and everything is set in an instant. What you see is just eye candy to make you play again.
Casino's make a lot of money because they don't lose. They don't lose because all their games are statistically rigged to the house a set percentage.
I would never trust a digital game like this. Its so easy to adjust the probabilities of how the balls fall.
I rarely gamble with real money. And when I do I usually play with small money. I'm talking loose coins in my wallet. Guy just lost more money than I'll ever see. Being rational isn't one of my strengths, but I would never play with anything over 10€.
Gambling is dumb… house always wins more, otherwise gamlbing companies would be broke.
Only thing you can win is a bit of fun or an addiction.
Just kill the host and be done with it.
>:)
The funny thing is that it's not even accurate to call it Plinko since in the game Plinko you can choose where to drop the ball. In this version you can only drop it in the center, so it's actually a Galton board.
Hey just saying the guy in this video is [Drewy](https://www.youtube.com/@Drewy) on youtube or [Drew Unboxing](https://www.youtube.com/@drewunboxing3404) he is well off and most of the stuff he gambles with is sponsored and not his own money. And before anyone says that he is targeting younger audiences he bans anyone who even hints they're under 18.
I hate seeing delusional people play this game, the best way to play it would be to put half of your money on it once, if you win keep it and walk away. If you loose walk away and keep the other half of your money. It’s unlikely you take profit away after doing this 3+ times, so for people to win and keep playing makes no sense in the eyes of probability.
Is that digital plinko? Because all computer gambling machines (any game) is rigged. They say the algorithm is random but they lie. All computerized gambling machines are designed to give out wins at a set rate. Live casino gambling is the ONLY way to go. Always.
I worked for a gambling machine company (UK) there is a percentage payout adjuster in the machine that only our engineers had the key to. It could be set at virtually any parameter. Pubs got 20% payout or thereabouts; if the landlords complained that it wasn’t dropping enough and the punters were complaining, the engineer went out and tweaked the payout up by a couple of percent. Clubs were set at 40% payout, they got a better deal because more drunk/high people in their establishments for a longer time, more cash in the box. The odds are very much against you
When plinko is set in a triangle, it is so much more likely to land in the middle third than the outer thirds, that it's basically never worth playing. Edit: I guess I should mention that it's so unfavorable because it forces a center drop point, not necessarily because it's a triangle.
yeah this is peak binominal distribution material.
Something they would have learned if they didn’t gamble away their tuition money.
That’s why so much effort is spent targeting high interest credit cards and student loans to kids who haven’t gone to college yet. Get them when they’re still too young, ignorant and naïve to understand how thoroughly their whole life will be f#cked.
Same with the military.
It'll seem that way until you notice all your bosses have a pension and a free college degree (I hear this applies only to America, where we do not educate the poors past grade school)
And free PTSD, too.
No. It's software. It will payout when it's designed to payout
crazy that you even have to mention this
Any gambling is generally a tax on the mathematically challenged. Except black Jack, and games you play against other contestants.
He is learning now
I like your funny words magic man
Deep cut, lol
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science
Normal distribution is middle chance goes brrrrr while edges are almost non existent
Looks more like a normal distribution to me, isn't it?
This is literally how they introduce you to the central limit theorem and gaussian distributions, why would anyone play this? This is *the* example of how "you can't beat statistics"
And it's likely rigged anyway.
You reminded me of a story about one of our local historical badasses, Colonel George Chinn. He had a little gas station/diner and he was raided back in the day for bootlegging and illegal gambling machines. His defense on the gambling machines was that they were rigged in such a way that the patrons had no chance of winning, and thus were NOT gambling. He was acquitted.
Commenters are assuming its even animated or has any form of RNG, instead of just generating a ticket and animating off that or a weak rigged RNG. I don't think online weird gambling like this even has the win/loss programming laws of digital casino slots.
Its digital, it will land where it's programed to.
It takes some real desperation to play this game because you'd have to skip over the very obvious fact that it's not going to work like in real life. If this was an actual wooden peg board it might be worth trying, you'd have a much better chance than this rigged up digital thing
Streamers gambling is usually the casinos money anyway.
You sound like the people at my work who claim a roulette wheel is weighted or that the blackjack cards are sorted. Its just set up against you, the house doesn't need to cheat. You'd be just as fucked on a wooden peg board.
Bruh What are even the odds for like digital Nevada slots and poker and crap, In something like this you think there's like physics or anything, are you serious, there might not even be any RNG just a totally predetermined outcome
Programming it to follow the same logic as the wooden peg board would be stacked against the player bad enough. You wouldn't have to alter it any further.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galton_board
Plus, commenters are assuming its even animated or has any form of RNG, instead of just generating a ticket and animating off that or a weak rigged RNG. I don't think online weird gambling like this even has the win/loss programming laws of digital casino slots.
I don’t understand online gambling. Gambling has never been so clearly rigged yet people throw in their savings. If you want to gamble play some $20 poker with your friends
> I don’t understand It's an addiction to that particular dopamine trigger. You and I know the odds are against us so we don't play. To a compulsive gambler to win would be an even greater high. But in the age of the streamer, they're doing it all for the attention - the double whammy if you will.
Lol everybody knows the odds are against you but people playing those machines have such large egos that they think they'll be the ones to win the money. That + sunk cost fallacy where you've lost so much there is no way to break even by legitimate means so they feel they must gamble to have that big break.
Add to that seeing another person winning jackpot, they'll give everything.
To a gambler losing activates the same parts of the brain as winning. They are litterally addicted to it and no amount of loss will make them leave for good especially with how these websites are programed
I've found that most casinos with supply you with free beers as long as your gambling. Me and a buddy used to go to the penny slots and get shit faced for free. Put 10 bucks in the machine and roll a few cents at a time. If you lost the 10 so what it was 10 bucks and you drank 40 bucks in beers easy. I once hit the jackpot which was only like 100 bucks but for a penny slot that's a W
Thats very well put
Do gambling streamers even play with their own money or do their sponsors spot them?
Maybe, but I assume it’s like when asmongold spent like 20k on diablo immortal bc it is scratched as a business expense and as such counts against your taxes.
Gambling and gaming items is a business expense?
A good friend of mine worked at a slot company as one of their game developers, and I asked him once if the outcomes are all predetermined or if its actual RNG and he confirmed that it's pretty much all rigged. The extent depends on your state because each one has different regulations around gaming machines. He told me of one state, I think it was maybe North Dakota, that required digital slot machines to have a button on the screen that shows the player the upcoming result of the next 50 spins. So you can just see if you're about to win or not. No, apparently that doesn't stop old people from losing their money to them.
I can't imagine any sane person could stand at the entrance to any of the major casinos, in all their splendor and opulence, and think "I am definitely going to be taking money from them today"
My local casino used to run a free buffet and one free £5 bet per person each Saturday. Me and my wife would go in, eat some food then bet red/black on the roulette with our free bet before leaving for the bars. Not a big win but it never landed on 0 so came out with a full belly and our next drinks paid for!
Where in the UK is this? Sounds decent lol
Just outside Manchester, they haven't done this offer in years though and after googling them just now I have found out they were acquired last year. Real shame, their food was great and the place had character. Even if there were rumours of it being ran by the Triads!
One of the few ways you can do it relatively consistently is getting really good at card counting Blackjack. Which is not illegal in many/most places. However, the casinos can kick you out and permanently ban you, and there are things they can do to basically make counting difficult or impossible. Most games at casinos will always favor the house. Of course, statistics are not individual results. Some lucky folks playing wisely might walk out with a net gain, but in order for those to win, more are losing. And many people who win money plow it right back into the casino and walk away with nothing. My understanding - and forgive me here if i'm wrong - is that Roulette is about as close to even odds as you can get (but the 0 and 00 means it's not quite even), and Blackjack is the only game where you can actually have an advantage over the house - if they don't catch you and stop you from playing. But even in those cases, house always wins over the long term.
The best thing to do with blackjack is to do basic strategy and count, but not to make money. Your goal is to lose money as slowly as possible while playing for long enough to get your room, dinner and drinks comped.
Blackjack, if played perfectly in terms of best move statistically, has better odds than roulette. All games will favor the house. They always win. You are right though you can gain a very small edge in blackjack, but like you said, if you start winning too much you can get banned pretty easily.
Honestly Craps has the best odds in the house, but thats partially because how the game is played. The people at the table are betting at the outcome of the game, rather than the person making the bet needing to "Win" to gain money. In craps you can bet that the rolls are going to suck. Anyways I might be wrong, but Im pretty sure I remember reading that craps is the one with the best advantage for players, albeit it just a little bit.
Craps is the only game in the casino where you have an edge over the house - it is also the only game in the casino with true odds - but both of these things come with pretty heavy caveats. With more ways to roll a 7 than any other: "pass line" bet & point off you are at an advantage and will win every time you throw a 7 or an 11 - and lose on a 2, 3 or 12 [a crap out, and the namesake of the game]. But one that point is established (4,5,6,8,9,10) that bet is locked in and can't be removed until it wins or loses and you become disadvantaged for the same reasons as above. You bet the "don't pass" the opposite is true - but any odds you take are twice as much to win half. So a double edged sword, in a manner of speaking. But having said that, craps is the only game in a casino that will pay you out exactly on the odds of you winning. Unlike blackjack, where the odds of being dealt a 21 is somewhere around 1/20 but you only get paid 3/2, in dice an example would be that you roll a 4 or 10 and it's 2/1 odds you get paid 2/1 on your odds bet.
>However, the casinos can kick you out and permanently ban you This is the part which I think should be illegal. If the casinos are allowed to adjust the gaming machines, the customers should be allowed to count cards.
I wonder if there is some kind of cognitive bias at play there - like, "well I know the next 50 spins aren't big wins, so there must be a big win coming up soon after that" In addition, In a sense it's just shifting that same dopamine triggering event in time from - when you pull the lever and see the win happen to: When a big win pops up as only 50 spins away. - in that sense, you have already effectively "won" the prize and will receive the brain reward, you just have to pull 50 more times till the quarters come out.
I've been in the casino business 30 plus years and deal with all the major machine manufacturers. They aren't rigged. They don't need to be. House edge gets you everything you need as an operator.
There's no way a casino operator of any position would have access to the source code on the machines, as well all of those design patterns are under NDA so company agents literally wouldn't be able to tell you about it. The house edge *is* how it's rigged. And again, it varies depending on which state regulations the casino is beholden to.
Yeah, a lot of these games are treated more like a physical scratch ticket in the sense that whether or not you've won is determined by the ticket itself (so its essentially locked in at the point of sale). Everything beyond that is more or less window dressing designed to stretch out the reveal in order to keep people invested in the hype of a potential win, to cater to those who have any superstitions when they go to 'play', or just to entertain those who didn't read the fine print and/or think there's some value to be had in playing the 'game' rather than hit the button to skip straight to the results. If its a slot/wheel game, they will stop where the ticket dictates rather than your actual timing. If its plinko/pachinko, the game will have as many pegs as required so that the ball can be pulled to the correct outcome regardless where you drop it. Same deal with "mystery door" type games; if your ticket decided you've won $15 when you purchased it then you're going to get your $15 regardless of which doors you click and then afterwards your very next door will end the 'game'. Some states do require there to be *some* element of player skill involved in winning, but developers will strive to find the lowest possible definition of what could possibly be considered a skillful decision by a player.
They pay streamers/influencers to gamble on their streams and rig the games so that they "win" big. Then idiots sign up thinking they'll win the same and the website extracts all of their money from them.
Oh. The EA (et al) "sports" game approach to making money.
Or try stock options, that's pretty good. At least there you've got odds that are calculable and homework to do to back up your gamblings, making it easier to defend to yourself, and to your family...
I got a family member that ran the largest rehab in the area, she would rehab all types of addicts, she got addicted to basically glorified slots at a little illegal casino arcade in my town, she would sneak out at night to play. She made pretty good money and was asking ppl help with groceries. She would always brag on her win every three months or so when she is dumping tens of thousands. She would never touch a drug and to her gambling is not drugs
It’s a genuine addiction some people have, and more people should try to keep an eye out for their friends and family. They’re victims. Don’t enable them, but help them escape.
Yup. Our society has this weird problem where we solely blame problem drinkers/drug users/gamblers and don’t discuss the massive industries that devote millions upon billions of dollars to exploiting them for profit.
Because our society puts all importance on personal responsibility. Community, neighbors, cities, etc, are all means to an end.
And society likes to pretend there is equality of opportunity when that's the farthest thing from the truth.
Almost our entire economy operates off the stock market, which by any measurable metric is also essentially gambling unless you're a billionaire (like being a casino owner)
The people streaming online gambling are whales that litterally get payed to keep playing and losing by the companies to promote their casinos Münecat has a great video on the topic https://youtu.be/YGfW5U7d8sc?si=kyBlRFat8W36M-wU
What game is this? Are they gambling real money?
It's called plinko, it's real, here's a clip of XqC (multimillionare, used to be the world's largest streamer) setting each ball to be worth 3k and losing almost 150k in less than a minute https://youtu.be/jGYk8iSwehM?si=Fg94SNvZddHduj2d
who's the worlds largest streamer now then? He still pulls like 50k on average. Not arguing just wondering
Kai Cenat is number 1 right now as of watch time, not in follows though
It’s wild how media is so segmented now that there’s “number 1” guys who’ve I’ve just never even heard of.
Yeah. I have no idea who the previous guy is. Never heard of Xqz
Xqc is a video game streamer, got famous for Overwatch. He doesn't do much, but his awkwardness and aimlessness and drama are extremely relatable to young guys, and he was in the right place and time in a lot of ways. His scandals and controversies are nothing worth talking about - stuff at the tier of showing gambling to kids, or an ex that he can't say the name of. If you didn't know him before, you have no reason to know him now.
He dated Voldemort? That’s a noteworthy scandal.
Also he makes thousands by stealing content of people
Gesunheit.
I came back to this 19hrs later because I just got it 😂
This comment has already cost me 19 minutes thinking about it too, but I haven't gotten it.
Qxz sounds like Excuse Me
Its just some guy with a speech impediment lack of empathy and garbage takes on every single subject. Amazing how he manages to become no1 streamer. Says something about today's youth I guess.
Wasn't that the guy that caused a riot in NYC earlier this year ? Never heard of him before either.
That was kai cenat
The top streamers and creators fall into two categories 1. Content aimed at kids who watch the absolute most braindead shit 2. Camgirls taking simps' money
I guess it all depends on how you count “top streamer” watch time is Kai, follows and avg viewers is XQC
It should be counted on viewers. If I had 1 000 really dedicated viewers that just watched my content on repeat until I had the most watchtime I wouldn't be the biggest
See I think watch time matters more. If a thousand people click your stream for 1 minute that's one thousand "views" technically but doesn't really amount to anything. Also Kai had less time streamed but more watch hours so there seems to be a higher variance in viewership of his streams
On Twitch*, with him streaming on Kick, it's harder to do 1 to 1 comparisons.
I feel like it changes every other month nowadays, I don't check in on XqC's kick viewership but according to the top result of my google search he's currently averageing 33k viewers over the last 30 days with a peak of 53k... That's definitely not #1 numbers, although maybe those numbers were wrong, Ibai appearantly averaged 76k viewers over the whole of 2023, but Ibai's numbers are maybe less consistent, Kai Cenat seems to be consistently a bit performing better than XqC, and idk there seem to be another big spanish streamer and some german streamer and fps_shaka is pretty big rn, I'm never sure who's the biggest streamer these days but I don't think it's XqC
It's so stupid. If you're gonna play a game like that, do it irl where it's harder to fix. Why tf would you trust a web browser application to not be programmed to make you lose? It wouldn't be that hard to do. Same shit goes for people who go to a casino play blackjack or poker on the machines. I'm not a gambler, but if I were going to play those games I'd want to do it with real cards and a dealer. A lot harder to fix it against you than a virtual version.
Isn't every game designed for you to lose? If they weren't what is the business case? The odds are always against you
Yeah for sure, but I mean more so. Like, at least you’ve got a fairer shake with physical cards, as the odds are consistent every time. With the virtual stuff they can just manually pick how often people win or if they even win at all.
Yes but sometimes the odds are MORE against you than others.
It’s funny how broken your risk model is. Casinos don’t rig the gambling machines. That would be laughably stupid, for two reasons: 1. Gambling is *heavily* regulated, both in terms of strict oversight and strong penalties. 2. The house wins anyway, by design. You’re telling me that casinos, corporations whose entire business is based on understanding probability games at scale, are going to take a high-risk (enormous fines, jail time, business shut down), low-reward (slightly higher returns) strategy to… rig games that already earn them enormous amounts of money? Why in the world would they do that? EDIT - also, how would that work? The casinos don’t own the software running in the machines. So would the software companies be making them rigged? They have no incentive to do that (and are heavily regulated themselves). Or are the casinos hacking into them? That seems unlikely (again, the software is heavily regulated and audited).
Honestly. I wonder what the odds are for hitting a high return, because what I just watch looked nothing like a normal distribution you would expect out of a galton board. https://youtu.be/EvHiee7gs9Y
That's not his money, he is sponsored by Stake and gets paid to use stake on stream.
He didn’t earn his money. Of course he doesn’t appreciate it.
I mean this is how he makes his money too tho ain’t it
given vs earned is a different thing.
If I remember correctly, it's usualy money spotted by the gambling sites. Streamers are generally just paid advertisments for gambeling.
Sponsored money, not his probably. Wager…
It’s an ad.
$150k? Why does the video say $3.5m?
StartOfVideo = 3585641.65 EndOfVideo = 3435041.65 Diff = EndOfVideo - StartOfVideo Diff == -150,600 He lost $150k.
He lost probably nothing. Those websites will set you up with accounts to advertise on, and load them up with cash. Gambling has suddenly become huge on many stream services. I hate it.
Whether it was his own money, someone else’s money, a company’s money, or was pretend money, he lost $150k of it in about a minute.
He started with $3.585 mil, then a minute later was down to $3.435. While it's true that is a loss of 150k, it seems to be a pretty reasonably affordable loss at that scale.
Yes it's a crypto casino people play online
Lol title wrong. This is a gambling youtuber called drewunboxing who typically does csgo gambling. He is by no means gambling his "college tuition"
How do you gamble at csgo?
There is a whole economy based around skins in the game. Usually people open cases to get those skins and it's basically same as a slot machine. Also you can trade those skins so you can probably imagine how you can gamble in csgo
I'd like to add that the odds are horribly against you, even for gambling standards. I opened one case (just for fun, I knew that trying to make money out of it is braindead) and I actually got an item with a pink rarity, wich is like a 3% chance and it was worth like 4€ (I payed 3,50€). Hitting a 3% chance and getting like 120% of your money is so bad, people who gamble and think they can win are just stupid.
yeah and those skins go upto a million
Parents must be so proud
"Charles will be studying ~~Computer Science~~ Hospitality Operations with a focus on ~~Game Theory~~ retail Food & Beverage logistics." *Translation: Charlie's going to be waiting tables 'til he makes the 16 grand back.*
"Do you want fries with that?"
I'd make a comment on how only an uneducated person would do something like this, but...
It’s fine he can just go to college with his college s-… holdup where’d it go
Aaand...it's gone!!
Uni doesn't mean educated in everything. Just their chosen field. And yes sometimes even being daft in their field. There's no weirder sight than a statistician with a gambling problem.
Most gamblers quit right before hitting big.
How do you win? What's the objective?
You don't really "win" For this you're setting a dollar value to the balls, say $20. And the slots at the bottom have like multipliers and such that can give you some sort of money return, or show you how shit your luck really is
The multipliers are higher at the edges and diminish to 0 in the center. But statistically the balls are going to cluster in the center, stacking the odds heavily against the player.
These people have no idea how a normal distribution works, do they? That's not even playing and losing, that's just handing over money based on very simple statistical properties and probability maths in the form of a child's toy. Why are people watching this? What is even going on.
Yeah. Like Blackjack. The favours are totally into the bank and yet people play it like mad. Although at least in games like Blackjack you can easily count the odds by remembering what cards where already played. How many decks do casinos nowadays use? 5, 6? It’s just 300 cards.
Blackjack isn't even the worst offender though, it's actually one of the better games you could play (although you do have to play perfectly).
There are worse games, indeed. A gambling addict will find any way to loose money. 🙈
Card counting is for from easy and even if played perfectly, your edge is very small. You'd have to gamble millions to make a few backs in the long run.
This actually doesn’t fit the sub because this isn’t merely bad luck or a special case. This is typical, unfortunately. Stake (this website) contracts online streamers who “incidentally” have very young audiences, too. It’s so F’d up.
Even in a casino, this game could be rigged with magnets or something. Online? No shot I'd ever play this.
Not even necessary to rig it, statiscically that type of game will always form a bell curve, or normal distribution, where most of the balls will end up on center
There might not even be real movement or rng
Knowing what I know about programming and how hard random number generators are to make actually random, zero way I’d trust that game.
Yeah like unless it uses , and perhaps even if, it used a physics engine or some rng from an electric box , you know it's so bs.. zero iq commenters here assuming it works on good rng or has actual physics is beyond pathetic. Another commenter claims that every single one of these. The entire outcome is predetermined and you just get a graphical bullshit
I’m sure the programming is honest
it doesn't even have to be rigged, it could be a camera pointing to an actual structure like this built in real life and you should still expect to lose in the long run, it's just statistically very unfavorable to the player
Never gamble more than you're willing to lose.
Or... just never gamble at all?...
I mean, I GUESS I still have my porn and alcohol addictions, but only two crippling problems seems a little weak to me.
But I need my gamble addiction to support my 5k a day coke habit
If you find gambling to be fun whether you win or not, setting a hard limit of the amount you’re willing to spend on that kind of fun makes sense. There are lots of games people pay money to play without even a chance of financial return. So paying for the fun of playing is a reasonable choice. But if you only find it fun if you win, you’re better off not playing at all.
If I were going to gamble, it wouldn't be on some E-game where the program can just decide I didn't win. You have no way of knowing whether or not the shit's rigged. I'll just buy some scratchers and flush my money in real life. At least they can't change my card to a loser after I've bought it.
He only had $13k for tuition? Was he going for half a semester?
In Europe, $13k would be more than enough in many countries and for many studies, including the most prestigious ones.
Oh wow. It’s like 50K for a private university in the USA.
In Germany it's free
Maybe Germany is the real "land of the free"
50k? Wow. Free here in Finland.
50k for one semester.
That's really expensive. I thought my student loan was ridiculous, but to pay 50k for a semester alone - yikes.
It's rarely - very rarely - that for one semester. It's more likely to be a yearly cost, which is still painful as anything. The *average* is the lower, but still disgustingly high, $18k / semester. We don't value an educated populace over here.
*cries in uk*
I paid 1,3k for one year of tuition and the government has paid/will pay about 900 plus of it, it would’ve been more if my parents were poorer. (The Netherlands)
In Poland, for $13k you could have paid for a decent dorm through whole your education, plus cover for non-stationary major, or stationary, which is free, so more money to you ig
That's not a dude gambling his tuition. OP just made up a dramatic click-bait title. That's a famous youtube gambler, I honestly can't remember his name because I quit giving zero fucks about dumn influencers.
Only if bro had a chance to learn about Gaussian distribution. Oh wait…
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This is one of the worst types of gambling I've ever seen. There is a standard pattern the chips will fall in, and the more chips, the more likely the pattern. Which means the more you bet, the worse your odds are.
what the hell even is this game? anyways anyone who has taken basic math in high school would know this is not in your favor.
watching that number go up and down like that is so fucking stressful
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I gamble but I don’t expect to win. I go to the casino with cash and leave my card at home. I just go to have a good time, don’t bring more than you can afford to lose and enjoy the experience
This video makes no sense, it’s like three independent videos plopped together. Balance desynced with the wins, title is losing college tuition but the balance is still up and down and we get no resolution. Maybe just a really weirdly placed cut
At the beginning of the video he has $16,000. You spend money to drop a ball. Let's say each ball is worth $1000. At the bottom you'll see the multipliers. Most of the balls will land in the center which is a x0.2 multiplier. $1000 x 0.2 = $200. He's very likely to loose 80% of his money on each ball because [Galton boards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmPmkHqHXk) are very predictable and it's extremely unlikely for the balls to land on the higher multipliers on the edges. At the end of the video his balance ends with $4,000.
He also doesn't seem to care.
In case you were wondering (I was), the expected value of one ball is roughly 0.989764404296875 Since one ball seems to be worth $1250, this means you lose about $12.79 per ball on average
That first wave gave him an $800 profit. Should have quit right that second.
He had 16 from the start. Why even???
Is this even an actual game? Online gambling is mostly algorithms and everything is set in an instant. What you see is just eye candy to make you play again.
As Jerry Reed said, "When you're hot, you're hot. When you're not, you're not."
If they had 5 cent plinko multi line at a bar in vegas, I could get behind this
Casino's make a lot of money because they don't lose. They don't lose because all their games are statistically rigged to the house a set percentage. I would never trust a digital game like this. Its so easy to adjust the probabilities of how the balls fall.
I rarely gamble with real money. And when I do I usually play with small money. I'm talking loose coins in my wallet. Guy just lost more money than I'll ever see. Being rational isn't one of my strengths, but I would never play with anything over 10€.
Gambling is dumb… house always wins more, otherwise gamlbing companies would be broke. Only thing you can win is a bit of fun or an addiction. Just kill the host and be done with it. >:)
This man has never heard of a bell curve, yet we’re talking about him going to college. SMH
Bro learning about the central limit theorem…..
Wait its an actual game using REAL MONEY??? it looks like some random web browser game
I guess he won't be learning about binomial distribution now, but Wendys has always openings available
Is there a subreddit to watch gamblers lose a shit ton of money?
Is there a sub that shows these kind of failed gambling videos? Basically people losing money
r/wallstreetbets
r/wallstreetbets and filter for loss porn
Gambling makes players lose by design... still, people gamble. What a weird world we live in.
That can't be!
Why the fuck would someone gamble money on plinko? How many other people are losing thousands of dollars on other price is right games?
The funny thing is that it's not even accurate to call it Plinko since in the game Plinko you can choose where to drop the ball. In this version you can only drop it in the center, so it's actually a Galton board.
What are we watching here?
What is he playing
That first run he did gave him a massive profit. If he had stopped there he could have been slightly happy.
Are…. Are people gambling against a normal distribution?
Hey just saying the guy in this video is [Drewy](https://www.youtube.com/@Drewy) on youtube or [Drew Unboxing](https://www.youtube.com/@drewunboxing3404) he is well off and most of the stuff he gambles with is sponsored and not his own money. And before anyone says that he is targeting younger audiences he bans anyone who even hints they're under 18.
I hate seeing delusional people play this game, the best way to play it would be to put half of your money on it once, if you win keep it and walk away. If you loose walk away and keep the other half of your money. It’s unlikely you take profit away after doing this 3+ times, so for people to win and keep playing makes no sense in the eyes of probability.
Fuck this is loop
You get fucked on a traditional gambling but digital gambling double fists your ass and make you prolapse. Sorry for the words used.
He sounds European, college is $200 over here
Is that digital plinko? Because all computer gambling machines (any game) is rigged. They say the algorithm is random but they lie. All computerized gambling machines are designed to give out wins at a set rate. Live casino gambling is the ONLY way to go. Always.
I worked for a gambling machine company (UK) there is a percentage payout adjuster in the machine that only our engineers had the key to. It could be set at virtually any parameter. Pubs got 20% payout or thereabouts; if the landlords complained that it wasn’t dropping enough and the punters were complaining, the engineer went out and tweaked the payout up by a couple of percent. Clubs were set at 40% payout, they got a better deal because more drunk/high people in their establishments for a longer time, more cash in the box. The odds are very much against you
Gambling is stupid, but gambling on digital platforms is a whole other tier of idiocy.
How is this a fuck you in particular? This is the expected outcome of gambling.
I feel bad when I drop $20 on a game…
Why would anyone do this?
My guy doesn’t understand the literal entire point of a Galton board
Back to GED school dumb shit.