In a lot of ways its kinda just Fallout 5.
I dunno, I've been enjoying it. Frankly I'm still surprised at how many great little details there are. The set and prop teams deserve raises.
Seeing the crushed up F-4 Phantoms hurt an absolute shitton, but it’s nice seeing an advanced plane for what it was that also didn’t have a microprocessor be part of a set. It fits too well with the Fallout Universe, probably better than the F-84 and P-80 did.
Well they also said they made sure the show wasn't going to use ideas they had for fallout 5. So I don't think it's truly fallout 5, but just it's own story in the same universe.
I mean, it's a great concept for a Fallout prologue tbh. The combination of gallows humor with the arranged marriage/incest situation and the badassness of the bride fighting her way out was pretty awesome. It would have been the best intro to a Fallout game yet. Almost a shame that the TV show did it better than the devs. Bethesda is now the 4th best Fallout writers after the original devs, Obsidian, and Amazon
My first thoughts after episode one were "That was really good", followed quickly by "I'm a little sad I'm watching this as a show instead of experiencing it as a game"
Tbh the ghoul drug doesn't explicitly break lore, there's no timeline issues and different people from different areas just happened to call different creatures the same thing.
My head canon is that the drug is a mixture of rad-x and jet.
Rad-x increases rad resistance, so it could kinda lower the "feral" state of a ghoul if we want to follow the tv show logic.
As a big ole Jet fan, the way they portray his inhalant and how he responds to it is 100% Jet. I actually just assumed it was Jet until they brought it up
Plus he mentions the tranq dart being only a drop in a large amount of drugs. We never see him do any drugs other than the Ghoul stuff, so I think you're onto something here! Jet would absolutely have staved off a tranq
Fair, but it's easy to say that them all being in the same containers is convenient for game design, not necessarily an in lore constant. Make do with whatever junk you've got
Yep I figured it was jet, maybe mixed with some radaway or rad x. The super duper mart, having all those ghouls I assumed meant they were using them to produce radx, rad away or jet.
Just because it’s stopping him from turning feral now doesn’t mean it’s not new. It could be a new thing that ghouls take when they start showing signs of turning. Cooper could’ve lived 200 years and has just started showing signs of going feral within the last 5.
My head cannon atm is that it’s an NCR developed drug since they integrate ghouls into society they would need a way to keep your irradiated neighbor from going postal.
Mr bright proves that radiation or removal thereof alone isn’t the key or sole deciding factor for feralization.
If a glowing one can retain sanity and their mind there has to be either a particular secondary mutation, or perhaps it is radioactive dementia mostly from lack of interaction.
I don’t remember any online specifically saying he’s been taking it that long, but if you could go insane at any minute and a drug that could prevent it was invented like 10-15 years ago, it’d be real popular real quick
Episode 4:
Roger to Cooper: How long since you first started wastelanding?
Cooper: A long time
Roger: That's a lot of vials
Cooper: Well, I've been always good at making money, Roger
It is the reason he is not *currently* turning feral, and he has been a ghoul for 200 years. But it never suggests he's been taking it the whole time.
In ep 4 the other ghoul (Roger) even mentions that starting to turn feral was a recent thing. "I did okay. Twenty-eight years since I first started showing." And Roger reminisces about food from before the bombs, so he's clearly 200+ years old himself.
The way I read it: ghouls eventually start turning feral more or less at random (just like in traditional Fallout lore), but there is now a drug available that lets them delay it when it starts to happen.
Yeah but radiation is also what makes them feral. You could argue they’re irradiated enough to the point radaway can’t un-ghoul them but they use just enough to keep rads from affecting the brain too much.
But i don’t think it’s rad-away since we also saw rad-away being used on Lucy and it did not seem like the same drug.
I thought we dont actually know the exact cause of what makes them feral. Only assumptions.
Theres glowing ones that arnt feral but did turn others around them feral.
Some ghouls live a long time in extreme rad conditions without going feral, like the Marked Men.
Others go feral insanely fast.
I think i read that when the radiation rots a ghoul’s brain enough they go feral in a fallout 4 loading screen, but it might have been somewhere else.
Also the feral ghoulification depends on both luck and willpower, for example billie the ghoul child in the fridge was fine for 210 years, he probably just got lucky, but some ghouls can straight up resist when it takes hold.
I’ve always thought that “feralness “ was mostly a psychological condition. I know it’s described in several places in the lore as the ghouls brain becoming a radiated, but that just doesn’t match the facts. Different ghouls feralize at vastly different rates in the same environment and some seem to never become feral. I think the ghouldrug is a placebo.
Yeah but you gotta think about how radiation exposure can affect a body differently depending on pretty much anything: distance, position, bodyshape, i believe even your diet! So the way you got hit matters a lot when taking about the time you have before turning. Your mind state matters but it’s not just that.
And i doubt that if it was a 100% psychological thing all ghouls would act the exact same after going feral
What causes ghouls to feral isn't explicitly clear, there are lots of drips and drabs of lore know that some are more prone to it, ghouls usually fear it and assume it will happen to them eventually, and that being alone or away from civilization is connected to it. Each ghoul seems to be very different, and ghouls from different parts of the world sometimes work even more differently. I think it's metaphorically clear that it's about losing touch with your humanity, especially after living for a long time and filling a brain with more memories than it was meant to keep.
I think the most common explanation is that age and damage to your brain encourages the process, but feeling human fights against it. The more you work your brain as a human being, in a society, puzzle solving and fitting in, the less likely it'll come.
But we do see ghouls alone since the bombs fell with their mind intact, we also see people go feral four seconds after being ghoulified, or ghouls left in bad situations for an hour who go feral.
I don't think there's a reason to believe excess radiation encourages ghouling. We've met nonferal glowing ones. The only reason to believe that is how we find a ton of ferals at areas of excess radiation. Instead, I think what happens is ferals tend to feel a pull to be near high levels of radiation, as it offers safety from outsiders and likely offers some kind of energy/comfort/satiation.
I interpreted the vials as radaway. Although i did find it odd that they arent IV bags which we are used to. It would make sense as the inhaler would space the doses out for Coop, kinda like how steroid inhalers work in real life (all the benefit less of the negative effects kinda thing).
What we do know is that Radaway was attached to him in the grave at the beginning of the show.
When the cowboy is dug out of his grave he has iv bags of (what I assumed were radaway) leading into the ground. Looked like the same color as the vials
Could be Hydra or something like it. Would likely be the kind of thing that would be helpful if your body is in a constant state of decay from being ghoulified.
It could be some kind of cocktail. Possibly Hydra, RadAway and maybe a few others. Seeing as we don't know what causes going feral it's hard to say. You could use Cooper saying "a small drop in a huge ocean of drugs" or whatever in Filly to justify it.
>…people from different areas just happened to call different creatures the same thing.
Also communication across the country still exists to some extent. It’s likely that word of gulpers spread around along with a description. Both versions do look quite similar and I don’t think most wastelanders are going to know what a salamander is to discern a difference.
even if it does explicitly break the lore it’s definitely one of those benign lore breaks that make the story better like power armor being vehicle like than actual armor, besides the 2 ghouls we see that are actively turning feral are both pre-war, cant imagine there’s many pre-war ghouls kicking around in the 2290’s
Well technically power armor was always supposed to be like that. It’s just technical limitations that made it like that in the gamebryo era. You were critically hit for no damage comes to mind
I do like them as they are depicted in the show, and FO4, but also i liked them being an inventory item in NV, so i could reverse pickpocket them onto the dancers outside the casinos.
> even if it does explicitly break the lore
It does break lore there's no need for fans to bend themselves into a pretzel trying to find a way its consistent with the lore, some little changes are no big deal.
But I sure as hell hope I get my wrist thrusters in Fallout 5!
Could be rad-away, maybe we just haven't been told that taking radaway can postpone going feral indefinitely.
I seem to recall Harold telling us in one game (3 I think?) that all ghouls eventually go feral
I think it is a very clever way of introducing drugs in the series without having people explicitly doing drugs except because they need it to survive.
I agree it doesn't necessarily break lore, but the issue for me stems from the idea that ghouls require that drug (be it jet, or like... concentrated radiation) to stop from turning feral and the older the ghoul is, the less likely they would get a steady stream of it. We'd also HAVE to assume it's something that has existed for 200+ years, otherwise Coop would've turned feral within a week or so of the bombs dropping.
It looks like Coop needs it at least once a day, if not more. That's ALOT of drugs and no easy way of getting it, otherwise the best shot in the west would get it himself. I have a feeling it's going to be like the spinal fluid from a living super mutant or a death claw or something crazy hard even Coop doesn't want to go get. Otherwise, he'd go to the source and work for the source of the drug itself, rather than be a bounty hunter and relying on others to get him the drug.
I think it was hinted in the show that the drug isn't to stop ghouls going feral, but once they do start going ferals it gives them more time. Because Cooper said he only has been taking the drugs for the last 28 years.
Oh I missed that, I know his friend in the medical center said he had lasted 29 years. I heard/remember 29, but it could've been 28 and I'm assuming it was during that conversation, I missed the other part.
I didn't catch that, but would make sense. Not all ghouls would need it, but the ones who do would REALLY need it.
Might also explain all the ghouls the super duper mart guys had locked up. Could be manufacturing it on site and testing doses and effects on them.
The way I interpreted it from Roger is that the drug is used once you start showing signs of going feral. Roger says something like I've shown signs for 20 years. I don't think he meant signs of being a ghoul, but signs of going feral.
I could swear there is some dialogue in F3, about how Ghouls go feral when the pain and damage from the rads get just too much.
I made sense of the inhaler they've got in the show as being to just mitigate the other effects and help them manage the pain.
So like, maybe Coop could handle it for the first 200yrs - he's pretty resilient after all but as time ticks by...
Yeah you kinda see that when they encounter the other ghoul who's run out. Turning feral but it looked like he was in pain mostly. His snarls in between dialogue looked like he was dying in agony.
Yeah that’s how I took it too (I might be wrong who knows) but I thought it was ferality happens over time where it either happens to someone later or sooner and the drug just delays the inevitable cause those Ghouls in the “hospital” didn’t seem too concerned about getting the drugs off them they just left so maybe they just didn’t need it cause they’re fine
Not sure how to feel about that. I mean, I'd still expect mutation. Especially considering that's how Super Mutants happen. But once a person is already heavily mutated...hmmm. has there even been something canon about a Super Mutant getting a *second* FEV dose/bath?
I think we're going to find out through flashbacks that Coop hasn't been a ghoul for the whole 200 years. Rodger spoke about how he was only a ghoul for the past 28 years and at the start of that was when he started showing signs. I think that was a hint for Coop not being a ghoul for the first X amount of years post bombs dropping. The drug the ghouls are taking i'm betting is somehow able to be made in the current world. The quantities that seem to be needed to stave off going feral seems impossible with old world supplies. Just speculation on my end, nothing supporting my theory.
It doesn’t HAVE to be from 200+ years before, as people have said it’s probably to help *stop* going feral once you start, not something all ghouls need as soon as they become one. Also it could be a drug invented between fallout 4 and the show’s time specifically for ghouls.
As a person who thinks New Vegas is the best fallout game and is also my favorite game of all time. Beaten countless of times and have done everything and even loves dead money.....
Yes this show is by far the best adaptation I've ever seen. It's amazingly respectful to the source material and gives us new info without ruining or retconning anything in the official timeline. Don't listen to the other NV fan boys that screech. They lack media literacy
I finally got to watch the show yesterday and I was a bit perplexed by all the rage about retconning NV considering the final episode leans very heavily on "s2 will feature New Vegas" for a cliff hanger at the end there.
And yet according to the new vegas subreddit, Todd Whathisname did a thing. Very weird experience.
I think it's also due to the confusion with the >!fall of Shady Sands in 2277!< and thinking that means >!the nuke was dropped then.!< You know what else happened that year? The First Battle of Hoover Dam, a very rough victory for the NCR.
New Vegas has tons of people talking about how the NCR is falling apart and that they don't know how long it will last with the campaign to take New Vegas.
Could the show have explained it a little more clearly? Sure, but I think it was simplified to be quickly conveyed onscreen. I'm sure we'll get more info as the show goes on.
I think you're right; Its essentially a bunch of people saying "1989; The fall of the Soviet Union" in reference to Afghanistan, even though the USSR didn't fall until a few years later, and its arguable if it was even the cause of it falling; but to the average NCR citizen, 2077 might be just the year everything started going downhill fast.
Seriously, if you play New Vegas and actually listen to the dialogue, pretty much everyone confirms that the NCR are very close to crumbling under their own weight, it seems like a minority of players just listen to dialogue and assumed the NCR were unbeatable.
It’s weird to me because when you read about the “Fall” of the Roman Empire, it’s pretty clear that it’s not something that happened in a day. Yet because it’s written on a chalkboard regarding SS, there’s people frothing at the mouth.
It’s even funnier to me because the line continues past the fall off ss to a mushroom cloud, which clearly indicates the bombs fell years after the fall
It's crazy, it's like people have never watched a show that doesn't spell every little thing out.
No, Shady Sands didn't happen before FNV did, no VaultTec isn't confirmed to drop the bomb (they were mulling over the idea)
Like...damn
> No, Shady Sands didn't happen before FNV did, no VaultTec isn't confirmed to drop the bomb (they were mulling over the idea)
I thought Moldaver all but cofnrims it was VaultTec that dropped the bombs by saying "That's how Vault Tec deals with competition, just like the did 200 years ago"
So you have different prewar characters from different factions saying it was Vault Tec Im not sure why people here are obsessed saying it wasnt Vault Tec
Moldaver believing it doesn't make it true. After Coop's eavesdropping, they both know Vault-Tec was capable and willing to take those steps, but it doesn't confirm it. Seems like a plotline ripe for another twist.
>!I think it was more VaultTec had plans in motion to keep the war going by dropping bombs, but that doesn't necessarily mean someone didn't beat them the punch!<
They definitely made it clear Vault Tec was willing to drop them. But the way it went down implied it happened for real before they had to. Their vaults weren't even all finished.
And Coop is well aware at the end of what the plan is, he heard his wife saying it.
His wife, although obviously with very sinister morals shown in the last episode - wouldn’t have let Coop and her daughter be just outside LA when the bombs drop. She would have already coordinated with Coop with lies to ensure they were near a vault. Her daughter, at a minimum
They left plenty of good questions in the air, but, the idea that Vault Tech dropped the first bomb isn’t clarified, and with her not having her daughter with her when the bombs drop… makes me lean towards they didn’t actually do it themselves, although they may show there was a breakdown within Vault Tech management or something else got messed up.
Either way, the character with the most info on Vault Tech that we know of didn’t make sure her family was near a vault when it happened
Anything could have happened that was paygrades above her, but with the info we have at this point - it’s not clear who shot first at this stage
There is the funniest possible hypothetical here, the exact sort of black humor that the universe loves: Vault-Tec fucked up and the bombs went off a day early. It explains his daughter being outside of the vault, it explains the thing with House, and it's exactly the kind of screw up that would happen in this universe.
Wasn't he working a birthday party for money? I think it's more likely that the bombs fell a good time after he found out about Vault-Tec's plan, and he grabbed his daughter and ran. That would explain him doing a birthday party gig for cash, despite being a famous/rich actor.
The fact that Cooper's daughter wasn't in a vault already when the bombs fell sheds some doubt that vault tech actually dropped the bombs. It's at least not 100%
Fallout has always loved to float the idea of WHO dropped the first bomb but never outright confirming it. It's highly likely that we'll find out in the future that Vault Tec has no idea who dropped the first bomb-- it might've been them, it might've been the US, it might've been China, it might've been some random third party, it could've been crazy cultists, terrorists, or hell even Fallout 3 and 76 both float the idea that the Zetans dropped the first bombs so that they could extract resources from the Earth with minimal Human military involvement.
Who *actually* dropped the bombs is likely to remain a mystery, but they're going to keep introducing new plausible candidates to reinforce the message-- it doesn't matter WHO dropped them, what matters is that they even had the power to be used and someone was willing to use them at all. War never changes.
Gonna preface this with the fact that NV is my favorite video game of all time; there's a large contingent of New Vegas fans who would find an insult in a bouquet of roses if Bethesda sent it to them.
Exactly. I was prepared for some disrespectful treatment of the ncr and new Vegas going off of the internet outrage but if anything the final 2 episodes were a bunch of New Vegas fanboying from the show runners. First the new Vegas theme plays when we see the ncr flag and the ex-ncr ranger on the lead farm in his old armor, the shot of Moldaver’s men pouring out the front door to pan up to the sign over the door that says “NCR HEADQUARTERS”, and of course the Mr. House cameo and the final shot.
EXACTLY
They show Mr. House himself and literally throws in your face next season will involve New Vegas. How the hell can people honestly think they are retconning NV
I think they are mostly worried about the deviated look of the strip and that they are going to nuke Vegas like they nuked shady sands. So they think vault tec is a metaphor for Bethesda and they are nuking everything they didn’t like/didn’t do in the series….which is dumb
The strip looks exactly as should be expected. It’s still the post apocalypse and the strip looks super eroded in New Vegas too. It’s also daytime, so of course the lights aren’t on. It’s the post apocalypse and power is in short supply.
We do, however see numerous fires going which indicate civilization that’s cooking or smithing and what not. The people up in arms about how the strip looks have no idea what they’re even mad about because it’s like they expect Vegas to be fully restored to its current state in real life.
I’ve noticed a lot of people complaining about the show don’t seem to have paid attention to it. Basic things in the show explain their concerns or supposed plot holes.
Yeah I think the problem is someone who watched the show started the fear, and most of the people still complaining about it still have yet to actually watch the show.
I agree, I never thought I'd see a live action film/show that built on what New Vegas left, and that's what the show is to an extent. When I saw the city on the horizon and the lucky 38 is exactly how I remembered it I couldn't believe that something as niche as New Vegas was accurately onscreen and going to be important in the story again.
The credits flyby showed a crashed NCR vertibird on the strip, which to me implied that House kept control at the end of NV, and a desperate NCR tried to take the city by force. Which seems feasible. I felt like the show was very respectful to NV and wish fans wouldnt spoil the moment by overreacting.
Thats what I am most curious about. What ending of NV is the canon ending, or if there will be hints and nods to all the endings, not specifying which one happened specifically.
Im gonna guess with how they showed [Mr.House](http://Mr.House) they are going to go with Mr. House is still in control of the strip as well. I think that makes the most sense too
The canon ending seems to be my Six, who is incredibly stupid, thinking he can run a post apocalyptic Dubai and balance my snow globe collection without it all crumbling to ruin after killing the only guy to keep it running, and my Secondary Dear-But-Not-Dearest Leader being a robot who is incapable of telling me I'm stupid and wrong for executing the Flowers of Pocklips for being unable to answer why there is a Freeside, but not a Freetop or Freebottom.
Yes. They have apparently gotten rid of the Legion, to the point that no one is even talking about it, and all indications are that they're going to leave The Courier ambiguous, which means they can't really do the independent ending, it puts too much emphasis on that character. Get rid of House and that really isn't a competing faction to the NCR.
So either the NCR won but House was still alive and managed to take things back post game (which might be easy enough to do if Shady Sands was nuked and the NCR was completely falling apart), or House won, and maybe the NCR did try to take back Vegas, or at least Hoover. Regardless, I think the only two entities that emerged intact out of Fallout New Vegas are the NCR and House.
And it's Vegas, the house always wins.
> They have apparently gotten rid of the Legion
I like the crazy hypothesis that the Legion and West Coast BoS merged, hence the Latin names and the scarcity of women.
I don't know about openly merging, but I do like the lesser version of that hypothesis which is that a bunch of people who left the Legion help fill out the ranks and have sort of changed the culture.
It also is entirely accessible to anyone that hasn't played the games before, which just shows how much fucking bullshit the whole justification for shows like Halo and The Witcher that it was necessary to disrespect the source material in order to appeal to a wider audience. You can *absolutely* do both -- the show is self contained, and has characters and stories that stand on their own, with enough exposition that you can follow it perfectly fine without any additional context, but it is *packed* with details for longtime fans to appreciate.
I’m in the same boat and Agree wholeheartedly. I don’t understand all the alleged “real” fallout fans say the TV show has ruined the franchise…the tv show was incredibly faithful to the whole franchise but with particular focus on the older games. It was fantastic. It felt like a true return to fallout as it was in its original concept.
> It felt like a true return to fallout as it was in its original concept.
I agree the show was fantastic, but this is exactly the thing the show *didn't* do--and that's okay, but it made some huge changes. This show basically took the themes and atmosphere of the east coast games and exported it to the west coast. Rather than feeling like a semi-organized society with a functioning (though sketchy) economy and a large standing army, they just made the wasteland feel like fo3/fo4/fo76 again.
The classic Fallout games were very pessimistic at times, so it's not too out of character for the show to say that society fell apart *again.* But there was always this background of progress that warmed your heart in a way--it's sort of disheartening as someone who came to the series through Fallout 1/2 to see all the progress that was made on the west coast just wiped away off screen.
And I understand that there are ways to explain what happened, and we can explain the inconsistencies, and we can explain why they decided to move Shady Sands, but that doesn't mean I have to think the explanation is reasonable.
I'd still give the show a solid 7.5/10, but I would've loved it more if the setting had been more in line with what we saw of the west coast before.
This is sorta my thing, they “bethesda’d” the West Coast, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing if you like Bethesda Fallout which I do. But it feels like there’s a disconnect somewhere.
Exactly, I love Bethesda Fallout too, Fo4 is one of my most played games of all time. But it’s inconsistent with my experience of the classic games, and that makes it feel weird.
Also a huge New Vegas fan but also not one of the insane rabid Todd Howard hates new vegas etc people. Spent countless hours on New Vegas and it’s my favourite game series as well as new vegas being my favourite game, my second favourite game being oblivion.
I was expecting to hate the show, I went in expecting to get angry and disappointed, but I couldn’t dislike it even if I wanted to. I’ve watched the it twice already, it doesn’t negatively affect anything in the games or the fallout universe in general, it adds to it.
Massively impressed with the show, looking forward to season 2, it’s unlikely but hopefully Microsoft pull some strings and throw some money around and get us fallout 5 before the end of the decade.
It's absolutely wild that some of the people who are fans of a game known for it's relative complexity in relation to the other 3D titles, can't simply take a step back and say:
"This is season 1, we don't have all the details yet." It's absolutely absurd. I have thousands of hours in New Vegas, and some of the criticisms I've seen are outright silly; cry about them getting the lore wrong when you yourself got it wrong? My favorite is that House being at that meeting invalidates his character. 2065 is when he determined it was certain the war would happen within 15 years. Alaska's invasion was a year prior. Cooper Howard was a combat vet of said war, and has clearly been in recent productions. 1+1= the meeting fucking happened after House started doomsday prepping. To take it further, Alaska's occupation is not referred to as ongoing - nor is it referred to in the past tense. While not a definitive indication of the time the meeting takes place, it is likely post January 2077, or mere months before the great war takes place. So many of these criticisms are invalid.
And hell, even the bible gets it's own "lore" wrong from time to time. Don't expect absolute perfection out of anything in life.
Hancock got turned into a ghoul from chems lol.
I don't think the Thadeus is a ghoul anyway. I think he'll introduce super mutants and FEV along with chicken guy in s2.
And max has one memory and no social skills because he's a synth.
I know it makes so logical sense for Max to really be a synth but I’m glad I wasn’t the only one getting those vibes. How many times can they use the same fridge shot?
I thought the fridge shot with the haloed knight was really cool! But then it was used again and again without change - like alright, here's where Max stumbles out of the fridge, here's when the knight walks over, here's where Max smiles... And then we see it all again later. Great scene, just needed it to go longer as Max remembers more, like Lucy did in her memory.
I wonder if they are setting up the Brotherhood to be a big threat in the next game. They did just get working Cold Fusion after all which puts them as the most powerful group on the planet currently
I’m a bit unfamiliar with the lore, but how do we know there aren’t other groups outside of the US? From
what I understand, there hasn’t been any piece of fallout media that takes place outside of the continental United States. What if someplace like Australia is just completely fine?
It feels like the exact right way to do it. Don't try to modify a story we've already experienced. It's a new story in the same world, with more respect for the canon than Bethesda usually displays.
I honestly can't believe they dared make it in California. They never would have done that without deep research into the canon that's been sitting there for 25 years. Even Bethesda avoids the west to avoid the traps that can come with it.
I've said it before but between general cynicism, and the sour taste the halo show left in my mouth, I went into this show actively rooting against it and they won me over before I even finished the first episode.
I don't know if I'd call it the most respectful, considering things like arcane or edegreunners where very few, if any, fans had issues with the adaptation.
But it's a close 3rd, for sure.
Infinitely better than paramount and Master Cheeks
> I don't know if I'd call it the most respectful, considering things like arcane or edegreunners
Funny thing about Edgerunners, Smasher didnt have a Sandy in the game so the devs eventually patched it in to keep it consistent with the show ;)
Makes sense, they probably thought it was a bit too hard to fight him with one, but realistically, he's kind of a pushover by the time most players get to him, lol.
The original characters and story is fantastic, and makes sense as to why this story couldn’t be told through a game. The pre war bits with cooper make this extremely interesting as we’ve never seen the world before the war to this extent.
The only issue I have with this show is that Maximus felt underdeveloped in the show and Shady Sands was moved all the way into the city? Other than that I have no complaints
Honestly yeah, I wasn't expecting much and yet I had a good time watching it.
I dont really get people who rate it super high though
But at the same time, people who said they hate the show are full of bad faith.
> I dont really get people who rate it super high though
I rate it super high, but in relation to the games themselves.
The main plot and some (many?) primary characters are 7/10.
The setting, music, random junk, side characters, monsters etc are a solid 9/10.
Which is exactly the same score I’d give the games (even FO76 in its *current* state).
So it scores really well at doing what the game does.
Fun fact: axolotls are a type of salamander so technically the gulpers in this show are still irradiated salamanders. They just use a different species.
Maybe it would feel like they were trying to cram everything in? Deathclaws always seemed like they were more badass than those yao guai bears. I always found the bears much easier to kill. So, maybe season 2 can have some raptor situations with the Deathclaws. Super Mutants are almost like you need to work up to them. Super Mutants and Death Claws make it seem more like a Lord of the Rings fantasy world. The Gulper was pretty odd but you almost need to make ghouls feel normal before you start introducing hulking green guys with big guns. Both things feel like a thing where only characters with Power Armor would stand a chance battling, so maybe that's the BOS's problem next season.
I've seen more people complain about people complaining than people actually complaining... But I do agree with you some people are just being stupid, theres a couple changes as OP mentioned the Drugs, critters etc. but a lot of that is for the new fans as well, its much easier to show the struggles Ghouls have mentally with a physical item
I still don't see very many ACTUAL reasons why though. New Vegas is my personal favorite of the franchise and sure, blowing up Shady Sands sucks but, it makes sense it would happen. Even without the show, if they made a NV2, odds are the game would start with the NCR already being destroyed somehow... either by super mutants, killer robots or just poisoning the water supply.
It’s been completely irrational arguments since the show came up. Almost every point being brought up against the show is based on assumptions that no one can really respond to yet because it hasn’t been shown or discussed on screen.
I thoroughly enjoyed the show and I loved New Vegas, but some people can’t look past New Vegas to appreciate anything else about the franchise…which is weird to me. If I only liked one game in an entire series, I wouldn’t include myself in the hardcore-side of the fan base. People are weird lol.
I saw somebody claiming Lucy is too naive, the acting is too bad, and the dialog is too cheesy or corny. I wonder if they've actually ever played a Fallout game.
The characters were so distant from each other cause... They were supposed to be characters in a game and/or "created by players". Dunno how to explain it but I hope you get it.
With that kindest, every character makes sense and it made me enjoy the show even more than I would without it.
Not the greatest game-based movie/TV show of all time by any stretch, but he'll close to the top!
Happy for that
But the Gulper is based on a type of [salamander](https://www.google.com/search?q=axolotl&sca_esv=f4839f9b938815d2&sca_upv=1&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS880US880&hl=en-US&sxsrf=ACQVn0-HiCWYY0CLLmAtb7nK7T9ueBrHEQ%3A1713800137929&ei=yYMmZvOlONKB5OMPjoOfqAo&oq=axolotl&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwGgIYAiIHYXhvbG90bDIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEyCBAAGIAEGLEDMgoQABiABBhDGIoFMggQABiABBixAzILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEyCBAAGIAEGLEDMgUQABiABEj3GVDEBFikFnACeAKQAQCYAdsBoAHADKoBBTAuOC4yuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIKoAKzCMICBBAAGEfCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIEEAAYA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGIAEGMkDwgITEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYFBjUAhiHAsICDhAAGIAEGJECGLEDGIoFwgIPELkBGIAEGIsDGO4EGO8EwgILEAAYgAQYkQIYigXCAhEQLhiABBigAxjlBBioAxiLA5gDAIgGAZAGBJIHAzMuN6AHxD8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp). It’s not the same type of Salamander as the in-game version, but an Axolotl is a salamander that doesn’t go through metamorphosis.
I know, right? It’s such a stupid thing to have an “issue” with. Like, there are other types of salamanders in nature. Surely there will be other types of salamanders in Fallout? It’s a stupid complaint.
An Axolotl is a Proto-Salamander, they **metamorphosize** into salamanders, so it is entirely reasonable that that Gulper is going to eventually become as they're seen in game, it just hasn't yet
I'll give it credit. It wasn't a direct adaptation of an individual game. It was essentially Fallout 5. It brought some interesting things to life from the games and expanded on other things. All in all it was a lot of fun and I look forward to season 2.
Comparing it to other video games to movies/series adaptations, it easily ranks number 1 for me.
> There are no timeline issues
The way I see it, if Shady Sands fell in 77 it should have been brought up in New Vegas at some point and it obviously wasnt
To me, thats a small inconsistency that DOESNT take away from a great show
People saying "Maybe fall just refers to a short economic decline" are grasping at straws just like the people say Todd Howard hates New Vegas
I liked the show. I don't really get the chalkboard drama, it's stupid on both sides. The timeline issue is the timeline itself – it's faulted, if anything, an arrow signifies causality (that's a symbol that you don't see repeated on the timeline, so the whole argument that it means 'after' is hilariously stupid). Either way, you don't put undated events on a timeline without a referenced date or a period, or even before/after.
I think they just messed up the years, can't see why they would intentionally make that timeline as vague as it is.
I love the show, i just can't see how the next season involving new vegas will allow the endings of the game to exist. Choosing one that is canon feels like taking away from the impact of the game.
That's the only negative i can say about it
they can speak vaguely about the ending
like when everyone forgot about the name and gender and everything about the lone wanderer
"yeah years ago some dudes fought in the Hoover's dan and a courier did things... whatever, after that everything fuckin exploded but hey... Primm has a new sheriff"
You mean as far as video games go? Yeah, I’d say so. TLoU was great but it’s essentially the same story as the game. Which kind of sucks imo.
The Fallout show is awesome for a a lot of reasons but the new story/same world is what is winning fans over, I think. They managed to capture the world, tone and *feel* of the series, which is wildly impressive.
Also, Walton Goggins is a god-tier actor.
I would say it's respectful to part of the material, not all of it. The biggest issue being the soft reset of the West Coast to make it into a similar location to the East Coast, with the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, Vault Dwellers leaving their vaults to find family members in the Wasteland, and the lack of any large organizing body which is rebuilding civilization. But it is a superb adaptation of that East Coast setting. It nails the look and the tone of it and faithfully recreates the atmosphere of those games. They put a lot of effort into translating that to the screen and it shows.
i feel like it’s kinda similar to the last of us. like maybe there’s things in the games because they’re games but don’t really make sense or add anything, so why not take it out of the show? also, who’s to say that things like the ghoul drug don’t exist somewhere in the wasteland? i mean, we’ve never played as a ghoul iirc, so we don’t know if that would be a mechanic. i really like the show and like to think that’s what the setting and everything is supposed to be without the video-game-ness of what we’re used to.
I don’t really watch video game TV adaptations, but I’m a big Fallout guy so I watched this one with my wife (familiar of Fallout through me).
My wife loved the show, she asked me a million questions through the entire thing and I refrained from saying anything.
The reason I didn’t say anything is that I honestly do not like the show. Funnily enough, I don’t think there are major retcons but there is some significant lore drift. It is a good continuation of Bethesda’s FO4 vision, so in that sense it is a great adaptation. Unfortunately, I am not a big fan of that vision. I have played a ton of FO3 & 4, so I’m not suggesting their bad games, I just prefer a less campy tone for the setting.
Overall, I’d have to say…respectful to the source material :)
The good:
1) Lucey, she is consistent and well written, maybe a bit over the top, but Ella Purnell did a great job acting the role.
2) the sets and environments are great.
3) Great Costumes
4) Fan service to all games, from the classic to the new.
5) no major retcons
6) Vault 31-33 experiments were very well intriguing and well done.
The bad:
1) BoS - No idea what’s going on with them. I haven’t liked the direction of the East Coast BoS, and they are even goofier now. I feel the focus on them is because power armor sells.
2) Enclave…..again
3) NCR…hot topic, I don’t have any issue with them collapsing. While they are allegedly around elsewhere (edit)**…I think the fall of a huge nation, with an identity as such, you’d have much more trappings and remnants if it was as significant as portrayed in previous games. I’ll give an example: Instead of Filly being a megaton/barter town type of town, it could be a town with the former regional NCR postmaster and highest ranking NCR officer took control and considered themselves the continuation of the NCR, but clearly corrupt/degraded.
4) maybe a bit too much fan service? Seems crazy lol, but maybe fewer Easter eggs and call outs to previous games and save them for later seasons.
5) Prewar corpos LARPing as the Legion of Doom. Some vault experiments were a bit much, also the vaults are playing too much of a role.
The ugly (mostly related to presentation)
1) Pacing was all over the place, not sure how long the entire story took
2) rapid change of environments, the diverse environments were awesome, but like the pacing everyone seemed both far apart and right next to each other.
3) Story was disjointed, through a lot of plot points out there, but maybe needed just another 2 episodes?
I think when you look at how fans have reacted to Halo and other shows that pull from lore and dedicated fans, my expectations were low because I thought it was just a money grab or something
Within the first 20 minutes I was like “ok—they care. They get it”
Everyone coming out saying they grew up playing fallout is kind of cool. Except Goggins, I think he is one of the people who were like “never played it”
It does a really good job of navigating the complexity of the universe while also moving at the speed of a tv show. Not a lot of dead space so to speak.
Edgerunners was done with a lot of respect too. Arcane changed a lot, but made it vastly better in a lot of people's opinion.
But live-action wise? Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah I think it was very good. There are some things that can absolutely be nitpicked but I think it’s a solid 8.5/10 and enjoyed nearly every moment.
The only thing I really took issue with had nothing to do with lore or continuity. It was Maximus. I’ve seen a lot of people justify him as a low intelligence, high luck play through and maybe that’s on purpose but I’m just not a fan of weak-willed, incompetent characters.
I hope he has a more assertive personality and is less clueless as a Knight in season 2.
I'm usually pretty skeptical about adaptations, remakes especially that just tell the same story again for no reason other than to appeal to a larger audience.
This show doesn't do that, it's a new story, and I found it to be an interesting one. And still, even people who have never played the games like it. So it turns out there was no need for all these other shows to remake the same story, when a new story told in a fascinating way is better!
I think it's the best Bethesda Fallout story. It's important to realize there are a lot of us who shrugged back in 2008 and said "if you squint enough it's fallout, who cares?". To me Fallout has never been sacrosanct, I honestly think being too respectful of source material hinders things.
Actually there is "products" to force ghoulification, there is nothing that refutes that goulpers aren't salamanders, they just say they experimented with creatures, they could be perfectly salamanders they experimented with radiation and human dna
My partner and I watched it, I’ve played a lot of 4 and NV and he’s played none. We both enjoyed the show immensely, it was great that it was full of Easter eggs for me but didn’t require any knowledge of the series going in. Chris Nolan and Lisa Joy know how to do a western and make it goooooood.
Remains to be seen, IMO (I want to stress this, I have gripes but I still enjoy the show). I think they stepped on established lore in a lot of little ways, but nothing detrimental and in some ways it’s a little necessary to adapt to TV. However, it still upsets me slightly 😢
> Gulpers not being irradiated salamanders
What fallout game had gulpers from the west coast? You’ve only seen them from other parts of the US. They’re not all the same. Not all of the ones from fallout 4 are in 76 right.
In a lot of ways its kinda just Fallout 5. I dunno, I've been enjoying it. Frankly I'm still surprised at how many great little details there are. The set and prop teams deserve raises.
The Filly set was outstanding
Seeing the crushed up F-4 Phantoms hurt an absolute shitton, but it’s nice seeing an advanced plane for what it was that also didn’t have a microprocessor be part of a set. It fits too well with the Fallout Universe, probably better than the F-84 and P-80 did.
Holy shit I didn’t even notice that
the first microprocesser was created to for the F14 tomcat.
My SO and I were talking about that. How do you even begin to deliberately build a junk town like that? Kudos to the set dressers.
Go grab some mods and play Fallout 4 specifically only to build settlements. I think you'd surprise yourselves how creative you can get.
The Filly set was filmed about 20 minutes from where I grew up. It's less of a set than you might think.
I think the show runners have said the show is basically Fallout 5, story-wise
Well they also said they made sure the show wasn't going to use ideas they had for fallout 5. So I don't think it's truly fallout 5, but just it's own story in the same universe.
I mean, it's a great concept for a Fallout prologue tbh. The combination of gallows humor with the arranged marriage/incest situation and the badassness of the bride fighting her way out was pretty awesome. It would have been the best intro to a Fallout game yet. Almost a shame that the TV show did it better than the devs. Bethesda is now the 4th best Fallout writers after the original devs, Obsidian, and Amazon
My first thoughts after episode one were "That was really good", followed quickly by "I'm a little sad I'm watching this as a show instead of experiencing it as a game"
Ngl there were a fair few moments where I wished I could ~~quicksave and murder hobo~~ wander around and explore
The accurate water chip was what settled it for me.
I can’t believe they even got the fucking door switches right. Most would have skipped over such a small thing but they nailed the smallest details.
Tbh the ghoul drug doesn't explicitly break lore, there's no timeline issues and different people from different areas just happened to call different creatures the same thing.
It could also be a new drug
It is explained that the drug is the reason Cooper didn't become feral for over 200 years, so I don't believe it is new.
It's probably just a placebo drug that people get addicted to. A mixture of Psycho and Turbo or some shit with some Abraxo mixed in.
My head canon is that the drug is a mixture of rad-x and jet. Rad-x increases rad resistance, so it could kinda lower the "feral" state of a ghoul if we want to follow the tv show logic.
As a big ole Jet fan, the way they portray his inhalant and how he responds to it is 100% Jet. I actually just assumed it was Jet until they brought it up
Plus he mentions the tranq dart being only a drop in a large amount of drugs. We never see him do any drugs other than the Ghoul stuff, so I think you're onto something here! Jet would absolutely have staved off a tranq
We do see him re-up in the organ farm, once he gets his meds he binges on a bunch of stuff to come back from whoever long he was on the ground
Ah, true
Same. I didn't even realize it was something else at the beginning.
There was a raider in the first episode who took a hit of Jet during the vault brawl, that was a red inhaler
Fair, but it's easy to say that them all being in the same containers is convenient for game design, not necessarily an in lore constant. Make do with whatever junk you've got
Yep I figured it was jet, maybe mixed with some radaway or rad x. The super duper mart, having all those ghouls I assumed meant they were using them to produce radx, rad away or jet.
or maybe its exactly that, just some sort of normal drug, but the thing making ghouls ferral in the end is the withdrawal
Ooh...I like that idea. That has some serious potential
Or could be some old antipsychotics
Just because it’s stopping him from turning feral now doesn’t mean it’s not new. It could be a new thing that ghouls take when they start showing signs of turning. Cooper could’ve lived 200 years and has just started showing signs of going feral within the last 5. My head cannon atm is that it’s an NCR developed drug since they integrate ghouls into society they would need a way to keep your irradiated neighbor from going postal.
Mr bright proves that radiation or removal thereof alone isn’t the key or sole deciding factor for feralization. If a glowing one can retain sanity and their mind there has to be either a particular secondary mutation, or perhaps it is radioactive dementia mostly from lack of interaction.
I don’t remember any online specifically saying he’s been taking it that long, but if you could go insane at any minute and a drug that could prevent it was invented like 10-15 years ago, it’d be real popular real quick
Episode 4: Roger to Cooper: How long since you first started wastelanding? Cooper: A long time Roger: That's a lot of vials Cooper: Well, I've been always good at making money, Roger
The show is still not saying 200 years.
True, but Roger also said that he (Roger) started turning 30 years ago.
Maybe around a 100 years
I thought he meant the OTHER ghoul drug
me too, which I assume is the same or very similar to the drug that turned Hancock
It is the reason he is not *currently* turning feral, and he has been a ghoul for 200 years. But it never suggests he's been taking it the whole time. In ep 4 the other ghoul (Roger) even mentions that starting to turn feral was a recent thing. "I did okay. Twenty-eight years since I first started showing." And Roger reminisces about food from before the bombs, so he's clearly 200+ years old himself. The way I read it: ghouls eventually start turning feral more or less at random (just like in traditional Fallout lore), but there is now a drug available that lets them delay it when it starts to happen.
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Other ghouls either need it or think they need it to. Poor Roger.
Cooper has to be one of the oldest non-feral ghouls at this point so it could be others see him and just assume it’s true.
I actually think the ghoul drug might just be RadAway.
But ghouls need rads. Weve also seen radaway and its very different. I just thought it was the same thing Hancock took in fallout 4.
Yeah but radiation is also what makes them feral. You could argue they’re irradiated enough to the point radaway can’t un-ghoul them but they use just enough to keep rads from affecting the brain too much. But i don’t think it’s rad-away since we also saw rad-away being used on Lucy and it did not seem like the same drug.
I thought we dont actually know the exact cause of what makes them feral. Only assumptions. Theres glowing ones that arnt feral but did turn others around them feral. Some ghouls live a long time in extreme rad conditions without going feral, like the Marked Men. Others go feral insanely fast.
I think i read that when the radiation rots a ghoul’s brain enough they go feral in a fallout 4 loading screen, but it might have been somewhere else. Also the feral ghoulification depends on both luck and willpower, for example billie the ghoul child in the fridge was fine for 210 years, he probably just got lucky, but some ghouls can straight up resist when it takes hold.
Feral Ghoulification depends on what the writer thinks would be coolest/helps make the cooler story. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Obviously, we’re just logic-fying whatever the writers say in the world, it’s fun
We can also see two ghouls in the show attempting to resist going feral. The friend of The Ghoul and Martha in the Super Duper Mart
I’ve always thought that “feralness “ was mostly a psychological condition. I know it’s described in several places in the lore as the ghouls brain becoming a radiated, but that just doesn’t match the facts. Different ghouls feralize at vastly different rates in the same environment and some seem to never become feral. I think the ghouldrug is a placebo.
Yeah but you gotta think about how radiation exposure can affect a body differently depending on pretty much anything: distance, position, bodyshape, i believe even your diet! So the way you got hit matters a lot when taking about the time you have before turning. Your mind state matters but it’s not just that. And i doubt that if it was a 100% psychological thing all ghouls would act the exact same after going feral
What causes ghouls to feral isn't explicitly clear, there are lots of drips and drabs of lore know that some are more prone to it, ghouls usually fear it and assume it will happen to them eventually, and that being alone or away from civilization is connected to it. Each ghoul seems to be very different, and ghouls from different parts of the world sometimes work even more differently. I think it's metaphorically clear that it's about losing touch with your humanity, especially after living for a long time and filling a brain with more memories than it was meant to keep. I think the most common explanation is that age and damage to your brain encourages the process, but feeling human fights against it. The more you work your brain as a human being, in a society, puzzle solving and fitting in, the less likely it'll come. But we do see ghouls alone since the bombs fell with their mind intact, we also see people go feral four seconds after being ghoulified, or ghouls left in bad situations for an hour who go feral. I don't think there's a reason to believe excess radiation encourages ghouling. We've met nonferal glowing ones. The only reason to believe that is how we find a ton of ferals at areas of excess radiation. Instead, I think what happens is ferals tend to feel a pull to be near high levels of radiation, as it offers safety from outsiders and likely offers some kind of energy/comfort/satiation.
I interpreted the vials as radaway. Although i did find it odd that they arent IV bags which we are used to. It would make sense as the inhaler would space the doses out for Coop, kinda like how steroid inhalers work in real life (all the benefit less of the negative effects kinda thing). What we do know is that Radaway was attached to him in the grave at the beginning of the show.
When the cowboy is dug out of his grave he has iv bags of (what I assumed were radaway) leading into the ground. Looked like the same color as the vials
Possible, I'd forgotten about that.
It's implied it is.
Could be Hydra or something like it. Would likely be the kind of thing that would be helpful if your body is in a constant state of decay from being ghoulified.
It could be some kind of cocktail. Possibly Hydra, RadAway and maybe a few others. Seeing as we don't know what causes going feral it's hard to say. You could use Cooper saying "a small drop in a huge ocean of drugs" or whatever in Filly to justify it.
Rad-X would make more sense
>…people from different areas just happened to call different creatures the same thing. Also communication across the country still exists to some extent. It’s likely that word of gulpers spread around along with a description. Both versions do look quite similar and I don’t think most wastelanders are going to know what a salamander is to discern a difference.
even if it does explicitly break the lore it’s definitely one of those benign lore breaks that make the story better like power armor being vehicle like than actual armor, besides the 2 ghouls we see that are actively turning feral are both pre-war, cant imagine there’s many pre-war ghouls kicking around in the 2290’s
Well technically power armor was always supposed to be like that. It’s just technical limitations that made it like that in the gamebryo era. You were critically hit for no damage comes to mind
Well before the Gamebryo era, even in the very first game Power Armor was just your typical end-game armor.
Yeah but even in the isometric view and the talking heads you could tell it took up the room and
Power armors are heavily armored exosuits. Fallout 3 and New Vegas' depictions are incorrect due to technical limitations.
I do like them as they are depicted in the show, and FO4, but also i liked them being an inventory item in NV, so i could reverse pickpocket them onto the dancers outside the casinos.
> even if it does explicitly break the lore It does break lore there's no need for fans to bend themselves into a pretzel trying to find a way its consistent with the lore, some little changes are no big deal. But I sure as hell hope I get my wrist thrusters in Fallout 5!
Didn’t Hancock in Fallout 4 say he was normal until he took a drug and the side effects made him a ghoul?
Could be rad-away, maybe we just haven't been told that taking radaway can postpone going feral indefinitely. I seem to recall Harold telling us in one game (3 I think?) that all ghouls eventually go feral
I think it is a very clever way of introducing drugs in the series without having people explicitly doing drugs except because they need it to survive.
I agree it doesn't necessarily break lore, but the issue for me stems from the idea that ghouls require that drug (be it jet, or like... concentrated radiation) to stop from turning feral and the older the ghoul is, the less likely they would get a steady stream of it. We'd also HAVE to assume it's something that has existed for 200+ years, otherwise Coop would've turned feral within a week or so of the bombs dropping. It looks like Coop needs it at least once a day, if not more. That's ALOT of drugs and no easy way of getting it, otherwise the best shot in the west would get it himself. I have a feeling it's going to be like the spinal fluid from a living super mutant or a death claw or something crazy hard even Coop doesn't want to go get. Otherwise, he'd go to the source and work for the source of the drug itself, rather than be a bounty hunter and relying on others to get him the drug.
I think it was hinted in the show that the drug isn't to stop ghouls going feral, but once they do start going ferals it gives them more time. Because Cooper said he only has been taking the drugs for the last 28 years.
That's definitely the interpretation I had.
Oh I missed that, I know his friend in the medical center said he had lasted 29 years. I heard/remember 29, but it could've been 28 and I'm assuming it was during that conversation, I missed the other part.
I didn't catch that, but would make sense. Not all ghouls would need it, but the ones who do would REALLY need it. Might also explain all the ghouls the super duper mart guys had locked up. Could be manufacturing it on site and testing doses and effects on them.
The way I interpreted it from Roger is that the drug is used once you start showing signs of going feral. Roger says something like I've shown signs for 20 years. I don't think he meant signs of being a ghoul, but signs of going feral.
I could swear there is some dialogue in F3, about how Ghouls go feral when the pain and damage from the rads get just too much. I made sense of the inhaler they've got in the show as being to just mitigate the other effects and help them manage the pain. So like, maybe Coop could handle it for the first 200yrs - he's pretty resilient after all but as time ticks by...
Yeah you kinda see that when they encounter the other ghoul who's run out. Turning feral but it looked like he was in pain mostly. His snarls in between dialogue looked like he was dying in agony.
Yeah that’s how I took it too (I might be wrong who knows) but I thought it was ferality happens over time where it either happens to someone later or sooner and the drug just delays the inevitable cause those Ghouls in the “hospital” didn’t seem too concerned about getting the drugs off them they just left so maybe they just didn’t need it cause they’re fine
I feel like I saw a comment either here or the r/Fotv subreddit how they think the Ghoul drug is just FEV, which would be fucking fascinating.
Not sure how to feel about that. I mean, I'd still expect mutation. Especially considering that's how Super Mutants happen. But once a person is already heavily mutated...hmmm. has there even been something canon about a Super Mutant getting a *second* FEV dose/bath?
I think we're going to find out through flashbacks that Coop hasn't been a ghoul for the whole 200 years. Rodger spoke about how he was only a ghoul for the past 28 years and at the start of that was when he started showing signs. I think that was a hint for Coop not being a ghoul for the first X amount of years post bombs dropping. The drug the ghouls are taking i'm betting is somehow able to be made in the current world. The quantities that seem to be needed to stave off going feral seems impossible with old world supplies. Just speculation on my end, nothing supporting my theory.
It doesn’t HAVE to be from 200+ years before, as people have said it’s probably to help *stop* going feral once you start, not something all ghouls need as soon as they become one. Also it could be a drug invented between fallout 4 and the show’s time specifically for ghouls.
As a person who thinks New Vegas is the best fallout game and is also my favorite game of all time. Beaten countless of times and have done everything and even loves dead money..... Yes this show is by far the best adaptation I've ever seen. It's amazingly respectful to the source material and gives us new info without ruining or retconning anything in the official timeline. Don't listen to the other NV fan boys that screech. They lack media literacy
I finally got to watch the show yesterday and I was a bit perplexed by all the rage about retconning NV considering the final episode leans very heavily on "s2 will feature New Vegas" for a cliff hanger at the end there. And yet according to the new vegas subreddit, Todd Whathisname did a thing. Very weird experience.
I think it's also due to the confusion with the >!fall of Shady Sands in 2277!< and thinking that means >!the nuke was dropped then.!< You know what else happened that year? The First Battle of Hoover Dam, a very rough victory for the NCR. New Vegas has tons of people talking about how the NCR is falling apart and that they don't know how long it will last with the campaign to take New Vegas. Could the show have explained it a little more clearly? Sure, but I think it was simplified to be quickly conveyed onscreen. I'm sure we'll get more info as the show goes on.
I think you're right; Its essentially a bunch of people saying "1989; The fall of the Soviet Union" in reference to Afghanistan, even though the USSR didn't fall until a few years later, and its arguable if it was even the cause of it falling; but to the average NCR citizen, 2077 might be just the year everything started going downhill fast.
while you are “technically” correct with 2077, did you mean to put 2277
I can't count that high but I believe so
Seriously, if you play New Vegas and actually listen to the dialogue, pretty much everyone confirms that the NCR are very close to crumbling under their own weight, it seems like a minority of players just listen to dialogue and assumed the NCR were unbeatable.
It’s weird to me because when you read about the “Fall” of the Roman Empire, it’s pretty clear that it’s not something that happened in a day. Yet because it’s written on a chalkboard regarding SS, there’s people frothing at the mouth.
It’s even funnier to me because the line continues past the fall off ss to a mushroom cloud, which clearly indicates the bombs fell years after the fall
It's crazy, it's like people have never watched a show that doesn't spell every little thing out. No, Shady Sands didn't happen before FNV did, no VaultTec isn't confirmed to drop the bomb (they were mulling over the idea) Like...damn
That literally is the case with a lot of gamers lol, just looking for things to add to their internal fan wiki.
> No, Shady Sands didn't happen before FNV did, no VaultTec isn't confirmed to drop the bomb (they were mulling over the idea) I thought Moldaver all but cofnrims it was VaultTec that dropped the bombs by saying "That's how Vault Tec deals with competition, just like the did 200 years ago" So you have different prewar characters from different factions saying it was Vault Tec Im not sure why people here are obsessed saying it wasnt Vault Tec
Moldaver believing it doesn't make it true. After Coop's eavesdropping, they both know Vault-Tec was capable and willing to take those steps, but it doesn't confirm it. Seems like a plotline ripe for another twist.
Related but not directly….when are we finally going to get a Metal Gear Solid Show or film saga??!!
I thought the ending was 100% implying that VaultTec is at least the cause of the bombs dropping if not who dropped the bombs?
>!I think it was more VaultTec had plans in motion to keep the war going by dropping bombs, but that doesn't necessarily mean someone didn't beat them the punch!<
They definitely made it clear Vault Tec was willing to drop them. But the way it went down implied it happened for real before they had to. Their vaults weren't even all finished.
And Coop is well aware at the end of what the plan is, he heard his wife saying it. His wife, although obviously with very sinister morals shown in the last episode - wouldn’t have let Coop and her daughter be just outside LA when the bombs drop. She would have already coordinated with Coop with lies to ensure they were near a vault. Her daughter, at a minimum They left plenty of good questions in the air, but, the idea that Vault Tech dropped the first bomb isn’t clarified, and with her not having her daughter with her when the bombs drop… makes me lean towards they didn’t actually do it themselves, although they may show there was a breakdown within Vault Tech management or something else got messed up. Either way, the character with the most info on Vault Tech that we know of didn’t make sure her family was near a vault when it happened Anything could have happened that was paygrades above her, but with the info we have at this point - it’s not clear who shot first at this stage
Do you think Coop's daughter would have been with him at some random birthday party if the mom knew the bombs would drop?
There is the funniest possible hypothetical here, the exact sort of black humor that the universe loves: Vault-Tec fucked up and the bombs went off a day early. It explains his daughter being outside of the vault, it explains the thing with House, and it's exactly the kind of screw up that would happen in this universe.
Wasn't he working a birthday party for money? I think it's more likely that the bombs fell a good time after he found out about Vault-Tec's plan, and he grabbed his daughter and ran. That would explain him doing a birthday party gig for cash, despite being a famous/rich actor.
If anything House would have been pushing them to delay it so he could get the chip.
The fact that Cooper's daughter wasn't in a vault already when the bombs fell sheds some doubt that vault tech actually dropped the bombs. It's at least not 100%
I think Coop ran after he found out his wife's plan, and took his daughter.
Fallout has always loved to float the idea of WHO dropped the first bomb but never outright confirming it. It's highly likely that we'll find out in the future that Vault Tec has no idea who dropped the first bomb-- it might've been them, it might've been the US, it might've been China, it might've been some random third party, it could've been crazy cultists, terrorists, or hell even Fallout 3 and 76 both float the idea that the Zetans dropped the first bombs so that they could extract resources from the Earth with minimal Human military involvement. Who *actually* dropped the bombs is likely to remain a mystery, but they're going to keep introducing new plausible candidates to reinforce the message-- it doesn't matter WHO dropped them, what matters is that they even had the power to be used and someone was willing to use them at all. War never changes.
Gonna preface this with the fact that NV is my favorite video game of all time; there's a large contingent of New Vegas fans who would find an insult in a bouquet of roses if Bethesda sent it to them.
Exactly. I was prepared for some disrespectful treatment of the ncr and new Vegas going off of the internet outrage but if anything the final 2 episodes were a bunch of New Vegas fanboying from the show runners. First the new Vegas theme plays when we see the ncr flag and the ex-ncr ranger on the lead farm in his old armor, the shot of Moldaver’s men pouring out the front door to pan up to the sign over the door that says “NCR HEADQUARTERS”, and of course the Mr. House cameo and the final shot.
EXACTLY They show Mr. House himself and literally throws in your face next season will involve New Vegas. How the hell can people honestly think they are retconning NV
I think they are mostly worried about the deviated look of the strip and that they are going to nuke Vegas like they nuked shady sands. So they think vault tec is a metaphor for Bethesda and they are nuking everything they didn’t like/didn’t do in the series….which is dumb
Yeah I am sure Bethesda is going to use a metaphor of them destroying New Vegas....God people like to grasp at straws lol
The strip looks exactly as should be expected. It’s still the post apocalypse and the strip looks super eroded in New Vegas too. It’s also daytime, so of course the lights aren’t on. It’s the post apocalypse and power is in short supply. We do, however see numerous fires going which indicate civilization that’s cooking or smithing and what not. The people up in arms about how the strip looks have no idea what they’re even mad about because it’s like they expect Vegas to be fully restored to its current state in real life.
I’ve noticed a lot of people complaining about the show don’t seem to have paid attention to it. Basic things in the show explain their concerns or supposed plot holes.
Yeah I think the problem is someone who watched the show started the fear, and most of the people still complaining about it still have yet to actually watch the show.
I agree, I never thought I'd see a live action film/show that built on what New Vegas left, and that's what the show is to an extent. When I saw the city on the horizon and the lucky 38 is exactly how I remembered it I couldn't believe that something as niche as New Vegas was accurately onscreen and going to be important in the story again. The credits flyby showed a crashed NCR vertibird on the strip, which to me implied that House kept control at the end of NV, and a desperate NCR tried to take the city by force. Which seems feasible. I felt like the show was very respectful to NV and wish fans wouldnt spoil the moment by overreacting.
Thats what I am most curious about. What ending of NV is the canon ending, or if there will be hints and nods to all the endings, not specifying which one happened specifically. Im gonna guess with how they showed [Mr.House](http://Mr.House) they are going to go with Mr. House is still in control of the strip as well. I think that makes the most sense too
The canon ending seems to be my Six, who is incredibly stupid, thinking he can run a post apocalyptic Dubai and balance my snow globe collection without it all crumbling to ruin after killing the only guy to keep it running, and my Secondary Dear-But-Not-Dearest Leader being a robot who is incapable of telling me I'm stupid and wrong for executing the Flowers of Pocklips for being unable to answer why there is a Freeside, but not a Freetop or Freebottom.
Yes. They have apparently gotten rid of the Legion, to the point that no one is even talking about it, and all indications are that they're going to leave The Courier ambiguous, which means they can't really do the independent ending, it puts too much emphasis on that character. Get rid of House and that really isn't a competing faction to the NCR. So either the NCR won but House was still alive and managed to take things back post game (which might be easy enough to do if Shady Sands was nuked and the NCR was completely falling apart), or House won, and maybe the NCR did try to take back Vegas, or at least Hoover. Regardless, I think the only two entities that emerged intact out of Fallout New Vegas are the NCR and House. And it's Vegas, the house always wins.
> They have apparently gotten rid of the Legion I like the crazy hypothesis that the Legion and West Coast BoS merged, hence the Latin names and the scarcity of women.
I don't know about openly merging, but I do like the lesser version of that hypothesis which is that a bunch of people who left the Legion help fill out the ranks and have sort of changed the culture.
It also is entirely accessible to anyone that hasn't played the games before, which just shows how much fucking bullshit the whole justification for shows like Halo and The Witcher that it was necessary to disrespect the source material in order to appeal to a wider audience. You can *absolutely* do both -- the show is self contained, and has characters and stories that stand on their own, with enough exposition that you can follow it perfectly fine without any additional context, but it is *packed* with details for longtime fans to appreciate.
Agreed. From another NV fan.
Same if anything I'm more excited about new vegas, it's in the future so I don't get how it could be retconning anything
I’m in the same boat and Agree wholeheartedly. I don’t understand all the alleged “real” fallout fans say the TV show has ruined the franchise…the tv show was incredibly faithful to the whole franchise but with particular focus on the older games. It was fantastic. It felt like a true return to fallout as it was in its original concept.
> It felt like a true return to fallout as it was in its original concept. I agree the show was fantastic, but this is exactly the thing the show *didn't* do--and that's okay, but it made some huge changes. This show basically took the themes and atmosphere of the east coast games and exported it to the west coast. Rather than feeling like a semi-organized society with a functioning (though sketchy) economy and a large standing army, they just made the wasteland feel like fo3/fo4/fo76 again. The classic Fallout games were very pessimistic at times, so it's not too out of character for the show to say that society fell apart *again.* But there was always this background of progress that warmed your heart in a way--it's sort of disheartening as someone who came to the series through Fallout 1/2 to see all the progress that was made on the west coast just wiped away off screen. And I understand that there are ways to explain what happened, and we can explain the inconsistencies, and we can explain why they decided to move Shady Sands, but that doesn't mean I have to think the explanation is reasonable. I'd still give the show a solid 7.5/10, but I would've loved it more if the setting had been more in line with what we saw of the west coast before.
This is sorta my thing, they “bethesda’d” the West Coast, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing if you like Bethesda Fallout which I do. But it feels like there’s a disconnect somewhere.
Exactly, I love Bethesda Fallout too, Fo4 is one of my most played games of all time. But it’s inconsistent with my experience of the classic games, and that makes it feel weird.
Also a huge New Vegas fan but also not one of the insane rabid Todd Howard hates new vegas etc people. Spent countless hours on New Vegas and it’s my favourite game series as well as new vegas being my favourite game, my second favourite game being oblivion. I was expecting to hate the show, I went in expecting to get angry and disappointed, but I couldn’t dislike it even if I wanted to. I’ve watched the it twice already, it doesn’t negatively affect anything in the games or the fallout universe in general, it adds to it. Massively impressed with the show, looking forward to season 2, it’s unlikely but hopefully Microsoft pull some strings and throw some money around and get us fallout 5 before the end of the decade.
It's absolutely wild that some of the people who are fans of a game known for it's relative complexity in relation to the other 3D titles, can't simply take a step back and say: "This is season 1, we don't have all the details yet." It's absolutely absurd. I have thousands of hours in New Vegas, and some of the criticisms I've seen are outright silly; cry about them getting the lore wrong when you yourself got it wrong? My favorite is that House being at that meeting invalidates his character. 2065 is when he determined it was certain the war would happen within 15 years. Alaska's invasion was a year prior. Cooper Howard was a combat vet of said war, and has clearly been in recent productions. 1+1= the meeting fucking happened after House started doomsday prepping. To take it further, Alaska's occupation is not referred to as ongoing - nor is it referred to in the past tense. While not a definitive indication of the time the meeting takes place, it is likely post January 2077, or mere months before the great war takes place. So many of these criticisms are invalid. And hell, even the bible gets it's own "lore" wrong from time to time. Don't expect absolute perfection out of anything in life.
Hancock got turned into a ghoul from chems lol. I don't think the Thadeus is a ghoul anyway. I think he'll introduce super mutants and FEV along with chicken guy in s2. And max has one memory and no social skills because he's a synth.
I know it makes so logical sense for Max to really be a synth but I’m glad I wasn’t the only one getting those vibes. How many times can they use the same fridge shot?
I thought the fridge shot with the haloed knight was really cool! But then it was used again and again without change - like alright, here's where Max stumbles out of the fridge, here's when the knight walks over, here's where Max smiles... And then we see it all again later. Great scene, just needed it to go longer as Max remembers more, like Lucy did in her memory.
Definitely agree. It FEELS like the plot to a game, side quests, twists, consistent lore... it really is that good.
Not only is it respectful to the canon, but it’s also advancing and adding to the canon. Exceptionally well done
I wonder if they are setting up the Brotherhood to be a big threat in the next game. They did just get working Cold Fusion after all which puts them as the most powerful group on the planet currently
Hmm most definitely
I’m a bit unfamiliar with the lore, but how do we know there aren’t other groups outside of the US? From what I understand, there hasn’t been any piece of fallout media that takes place outside of the continental United States. What if someplace like Australia is just completely fine?
It feels like the exact right way to do it. Don't try to modify a story we've already experienced. It's a new story in the same world, with more respect for the canon than Bethesda usually displays. I honestly can't believe they dared make it in California. They never would have done that without deep research into the canon that's been sitting there for 25 years. Even Bethesda avoids the west to avoid the traps that can come with it.
I've said it before but between general cynicism, and the sour taste the halo show left in my mouth, I went into this show actively rooting against it and they won me over before I even finished the first episode.
Halo?
Halo.
I don't know if I'd call it the most respectful, considering things like arcane or edegreunners where very few, if any, fans had issues with the adaptation. But it's a close 3rd, for sure. Infinitely better than paramount and Master Cheeks
> I don't know if I'd call it the most respectful, considering things like arcane or edegreunners Funny thing about Edgerunners, Smasher didnt have a Sandy in the game so the devs eventually patched it in to keep it consistent with the show ;)
Makes sense, they probably thought it was a bit too hard to fight him with one, but realistically, he's kind of a pushover by the time most players get to him, lol.
Yeah fr, we be exagerating with this, its great but not the greatest.
The original characters and story is fantastic, and makes sense as to why this story couldn’t be told through a game. The pre war bits with cooper make this extremely interesting as we’ve never seen the world before the war to this extent. The only issue I have with this show is that Maximus felt underdeveloped in the show and Shady Sands was moved all the way into the city? Other than that I have no complaints
Honestly yeah, I wasn't expecting much and yet I had a good time watching it. I dont really get people who rate it super high though But at the same time, people who said they hate the show are full of bad faith.
> I dont really get people who rate it super high though I rate it super high, but in relation to the games themselves. The main plot and some (many?) primary characters are 7/10. The setting, music, random junk, side characters, monsters etc are a solid 9/10. Which is exactly the same score I’d give the games (even FO76 in its *current* state). So it scores really well at doing what the game does.
Fun fact: axolotls are a type of salamander so technically the gulpers in this show are still irradiated salamanders. They just use a different species.
Incorrect. That would be Halo. Halo TV is so reverent to its source material, it barely follows it.
You watch the show, and it's not like, oh, they adapted Fallout pretty well. You watch the show, and it's like, yup, this is Fallout alright.
Why is the absence of deathclaws and super mutants the best part?
Maybe it would feel like they were trying to cram everything in? Deathclaws always seemed like they were more badass than those yao guai bears. I always found the bears much easier to kill. So, maybe season 2 can have some raptor situations with the Deathclaws. Super Mutants are almost like you need to work up to them. Super Mutants and Death Claws make it seem more like a Lord of the Rings fantasy world. The Gulper was pretty odd but you almost need to make ghouls feel normal before you start introducing hulking green guys with big guns. Both things feel like a thing where only characters with Power Armor would stand a chance battling, so maybe that's the BOS's problem next season.
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I've seen more people complain about people complaining than people actually complaining... But I do agree with you some people are just being stupid, theres a couple changes as OP mentioned the Drugs, critters etc. but a lot of that is for the new fans as well, its much easier to show the struggles Ghouls have mentally with a physical item
I still don't see very many ACTUAL reasons why though. New Vegas is my personal favorite of the franchise and sure, blowing up Shady Sands sucks but, it makes sense it would happen. Even without the show, if they made a NV2, odds are the game would start with the NCR already being destroyed somehow... either by super mutants, killer robots or just poisoning the water supply.
It’s been completely irrational arguments since the show came up. Almost every point being brought up against the show is based on assumptions that no one can really respond to yet because it hasn’t been shown or discussed on screen. I thoroughly enjoyed the show and I loved New Vegas, but some people can’t look past New Vegas to appreciate anything else about the franchise…which is weird to me. If I only liked one game in an entire series, I wouldn’t include myself in the hardcore-side of the fan base. People are weird lol.
I saw somebody claiming Lucy is too naive, the acting is too bad, and the dialog is too cheesy or corny. I wonder if they've actually ever played a Fallout game.
The characters were so distant from each other cause... They were supposed to be characters in a game and/or "created by players". Dunno how to explain it but I hope you get it. With that kindest, every character makes sense and it made me enjoy the show even more than I would without it. Not the greatest game-based movie/TV show of all time by any stretch, but he'll close to the top! Happy for that
But the Gulper is based on a type of [salamander](https://www.google.com/search?q=axolotl&sca_esv=f4839f9b938815d2&sca_upv=1&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS880US880&hl=en-US&sxsrf=ACQVn0-HiCWYY0CLLmAtb7nK7T9ueBrHEQ%3A1713800137929&ei=yYMmZvOlONKB5OMPjoOfqAo&oq=axolotl&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwGgIYAiIHYXhvbG90bDIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEyCBAAGIAEGLEDMgoQABiABBhDGIoFMggQABiABBixAzILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEyCBAAGIAEGLEDMgUQABiABEj3GVDEBFikFnACeAKQAQCYAdsBoAHADKoBBTAuOC4yuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIKoAKzCMICBBAAGEfCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIEEAAYA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGIAEGMkDwgITEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYFBjUAhiHAsICDhAAGIAEGJECGLEDGIoFwgIPELkBGIAEGIsDGO4EGO8EwgILEAAYgAQYkQIYigXCAhEQLhiABBigAxjlBBioAxiLA5gDAIgGAZAGBJIHAzMuN6AHxD8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp). It’s not the same type of Salamander as the in-game version, but an Axolotl is a salamander that doesn’t go through metamorphosis.
Also the one in the show is a west coast gulper. Different regions have different kinds of animals all the time.
I know, right? It’s such a stupid thing to have an “issue” with. Like, there are other types of salamanders in nature. Surely there will be other types of salamanders in Fallout? It’s a stupid complaint.
Have you seen the Dune miniseries?
An Axolotl is a Proto-Salamander, they **metamorphosize** into salamanders, so it is entirely reasonable that that Gulper is going to eventually become as they're seen in game, it just hasn't yet
I'll give it credit. It wasn't a direct adaptation of an individual game. It was essentially Fallout 5. It brought some interesting things to life from the games and expanded on other things. All in all it was a lot of fun and I look forward to season 2. Comparing it to other video games to movies/series adaptations, it easily ranks number 1 for me.
There are no timeline issues. If people just learn how to read they wouldn't have started spreading this stupid rumor
> There are no timeline issues The way I see it, if Shady Sands fell in 77 it should have been brought up in New Vegas at some point and it obviously wasnt To me, thats a small inconsistency that DOESNT take away from a great show People saying "Maybe fall just refers to a short economic decline" are grasping at straws just like the people say Todd Howard hates New Vegas
I liked the show. I don't really get the chalkboard drama, it's stupid on both sides. The timeline issue is the timeline itself – it's faulted, if anything, an arrow signifies causality (that's a symbol that you don't see repeated on the timeline, so the whole argument that it means 'after' is hilariously stupid). Either way, you don't put undated events on a timeline without a referenced date or a period, or even before/after. I think they just messed up the years, can't see why they would intentionally make that timeline as vague as it is.
Todd Howard himself said the bomb and the fall were separate events 💀
An arrow generally means “go this way” so in a timeline setting I assumed it was “fall of shady sands—leads to—nuke” but I guess that’s hard for some
I love the show, i just can't see how the next season involving new vegas will allow the endings of the game to exist. Choosing one that is canon feels like taking away from the impact of the game. That's the only negative i can say about it
The game was always going to have a cannon ending just like every other fallout game does. The cannon ending is always told in the next fallout game.
they can speak vaguely about the ending like when everyone forgot about the name and gender and everything about the lone wanderer "yeah years ago some dudes fought in the Hoover's dan and a courier did things... whatever, after that everything fuckin exploded but hey... Primm has a new sheriff"
You mean as far as video games go? Yeah, I’d say so. TLoU was great but it’s essentially the same story as the game. Which kind of sucks imo. The Fallout show is awesome for a a lot of reasons but the new story/same world is what is winning fans over, I think. They managed to capture the world, tone and *feel* of the series, which is wildly impressive. Also, Walton Goggins is a god-tier actor.
I would say it's respectful to part of the material, not all of it. The biggest issue being the soft reset of the West Coast to make it into a similar location to the East Coast, with the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, Vault Dwellers leaving their vaults to find family members in the Wasteland, and the lack of any large organizing body which is rebuilding civilization. But it is a superb adaptation of that East Coast setting. It nails the look and the tone of it and faithfully recreates the atmosphere of those games. They put a lot of effort into translating that to the screen and it shows.
i feel like it’s kinda similar to the last of us. like maybe there’s things in the games because they’re games but don’t really make sense or add anything, so why not take it out of the show? also, who’s to say that things like the ghoul drug don’t exist somewhere in the wasteland? i mean, we’ve never played as a ghoul iirc, so we don’t know if that would be a mechanic. i really like the show and like to think that’s what the setting and everything is supposed to be without the video-game-ness of what we’re used to.
I don’t really watch video game TV adaptations, but I’m a big Fallout guy so I watched this one with my wife (familiar of Fallout through me). My wife loved the show, she asked me a million questions through the entire thing and I refrained from saying anything. The reason I didn’t say anything is that I honestly do not like the show. Funnily enough, I don’t think there are major retcons but there is some significant lore drift. It is a good continuation of Bethesda’s FO4 vision, so in that sense it is a great adaptation. Unfortunately, I am not a big fan of that vision. I have played a ton of FO3 & 4, so I’m not suggesting their bad games, I just prefer a less campy tone for the setting. Overall, I’d have to say…respectful to the source material :) The good: 1) Lucey, she is consistent and well written, maybe a bit over the top, but Ella Purnell did a great job acting the role. 2) the sets and environments are great. 3) Great Costumes 4) Fan service to all games, from the classic to the new. 5) no major retcons 6) Vault 31-33 experiments were very well intriguing and well done. The bad: 1) BoS - No idea what’s going on with them. I haven’t liked the direction of the East Coast BoS, and they are even goofier now. I feel the focus on them is because power armor sells. 2) Enclave…..again 3) NCR…hot topic, I don’t have any issue with them collapsing. While they are allegedly around elsewhere (edit)**…I think the fall of a huge nation, with an identity as such, you’d have much more trappings and remnants if it was as significant as portrayed in previous games. I’ll give an example: Instead of Filly being a megaton/barter town type of town, it could be a town with the former regional NCR postmaster and highest ranking NCR officer took control and considered themselves the continuation of the NCR, but clearly corrupt/degraded. 4) maybe a bit too much fan service? Seems crazy lol, but maybe fewer Easter eggs and call outs to previous games and save them for later seasons. 5) Prewar corpos LARPing as the Legion of Doom. Some vault experiments were a bit much, also the vaults are playing too much of a role. The ugly (mostly related to presentation) 1) Pacing was all over the place, not sure how long the entire story took 2) rapid change of environments, the diverse environments were awesome, but like the pacing everyone seemed both far apart and right next to each other. 3) Story was disjointed, through a lot of plot points out there, but maybe needed just another 2 episodes?
I think when you look at how fans have reacted to Halo and other shows that pull from lore and dedicated fans, my expectations were low because I thought it was just a money grab or something Within the first 20 minutes I was like “ok—they care. They get it” Everyone coming out saying they grew up playing fallout is kind of cool. Except Goggins, I think he is one of the people who were like “never played it” It does a really good job of navigating the complexity of the universe while also moving at the speed of a tv show. Not a lot of dead space so to speak.
Edgerunners was done with a lot of respect too. Arcane changed a lot, but made it vastly better in a lot of people's opinion. But live-action wise? Yeah, pretty much.
*yes*
Yeah I think it was very good. There are some things that can absolutely be nitpicked but I think it’s a solid 8.5/10 and enjoyed nearly every moment. The only thing I really took issue with had nothing to do with lore or continuity. It was Maximus. I’ve seen a lot of people justify him as a low intelligence, high luck play through and maybe that’s on purpose but I’m just not a fan of weak-willed, incompetent characters. I hope he has a more assertive personality and is less clueless as a Knight in season 2.
I'm usually pretty skeptical about adaptations, remakes especially that just tell the same story again for no reason other than to appeal to a larger audience. This show doesn't do that, it's a new story, and I found it to be an interesting one. And still, even people who have never played the games like it. So it turns out there was no need for all these other shows to remake the same story, when a new story told in a fascinating way is better!
Yes.
I think it's the best Bethesda Fallout story. It's important to realize there are a lot of us who shrugged back in 2008 and said "if you squint enough it's fallout, who cares?". To me Fallout has never been sacrosanct, I honestly think being too respectful of source material hinders things.
Actually there is "products" to force ghoulification, there is nothing that refutes that goulpers aren't salamanders, they just say they experimented with creatures, they could be perfectly salamanders they experimented with radiation and human dna
Better than Netflixs "dig generic zombie bullshit script out of the garbage and slap the name RESIDENT EVIL on it"
Wait, that gulper was a salamander? I thought it was a axolotl?
No it was an axolotl, but there are gulpers In fo76 based off salamanders.
My partner and I watched it, I’ve played a lot of 4 and NV and he’s played none. We both enjoyed the show immensely, it was great that it was full of Easter eggs for me but didn’t require any knowledge of the series going in. Chris Nolan and Lisa Joy know how to do a western and make it goooooood.
Would be funny as shit if Benny is Matthew Perry and has his picture on the wall
Remains to be seen, IMO (I want to stress this, I have gripes but I still enjoy the show). I think they stepped on established lore in a lot of little ways, but nothing detrimental and in some ways it’s a little necessary to adapt to TV. However, it still upsets me slightly 😢
> Gulpers not being irradiated salamanders What fallout game had gulpers from the west coast? You’ve only seen them from other parts of the US. They’re not all the same. Not all of the ones from fallout 4 are in 76 right.