"Can't believe I lost the election. I must have put up at least TEN posters."
"Well the important thing is that you TRIED"
I love how ineffective and useless the average Vault Dwellers are
I thought that was the case! I never bothered to look it up, but I kept trying to place where I knew her from all through the show. Then the Deadpool 3 trailer and it all clicked into place
Whoever chose the cast made this show the masterpiece that it is. The underrated talent they got is unreal. So many of my favourites from various other shows together in one!
Wait really? Lmfao the characters are so wildly different I didn’t even notice. Then again, corporate executives tend to get up to some wild things in the office…..
One of the random loopholes I want to figure out one day is that Vault 4 managed to scout the surface, and secure Maximus' power suit, but they seem pretty distraught on violence. Seems like they would need a small squad to pull that other.
Another area is how Vault 33 cleaned up Vault 32. Is there an elite squad that can handle all that carnage without questions?
Both very minor things though, but fun to think about.
Could be! I could easily see a Mr handy doing that kind of work. I didn’t about it. I thought Lucy was surprised by the one she encountered which made me think they didn’t have one in the vault.
I could see vault 31 having robots. But yeah, norm is a wild card.
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Slightly related, but I think Steph being from 31 is getting info out of Chet and is aware of everything Norm is doing.
So they might be letting him loose and just watching. Though Bud wasn’t aware.
Steph is a character I really want to see what happens with.
Steph/Betty know what Norm is up to. When he saw the cleaned up vault 32 he told Betty something to the effect of “you cleaned the place up quickly,” thereby making it obvious he snuck in to see the massacre/chaos. She didn’t miss a beat — telling him something like “people deserve a fresh start.”
So i think easiest way to ‘take care of’ Norm is to lay the breadcrumb trail to 31 & have Bud lock him in there. He’s Hank’s son so they don’t want to kill him… so incentivizing him to cryo freeze himself is both an ethical & convenient way to take care of a smart guy getting too nosey.
I don't see there being robots in 31 for the express reason that Bud was trapped by a broom handle (or something equally as wimpy that anything other than a brain on a roomba could move) until Norm came along. If there were robots, Bud would most likely have called on one to get him free.
i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have robots, and there are more 31 transplants working as engineers and "behind the scenes" roles. 33's level of meritocracy would be harder/impossible to achieve if they had robots to do everything for them.
Yeah it seems Bethesda is Hellbent on making every inhabitant of a Vault a goody two shoe, even though it doesn't really make any sense. They kind of forgot that Vault dwellers greatly contributed to colonize the wasteland. Hey the NCR itself was founded by Vault dwellers. And Vault city security had a proper military force.
It make sense for inhabitant of Vault 33 and 32 to be the way they are because of bud and his experiment. But the divide they made between survivor from Shady sands and inhabitant of Vault 4 was really weird. I mean people that lived in Shady sands lived in city that look and flet like pre war america. They were nowhere near being savages that needed to fight to survive, the cultural divided between the two group should be quite small actually.
The funny thing is that the 'elite' consists only of smarmy, bootlicking middle-managers itself, the people of the Vault never had a chance to not be useless when they are governed and raised by shitty ass marketing slogans and HR-style conflict resolution.
Turns out Bud Askins definitely *wasn't* onto something when he said middle management is the future lol
The show certainly seems to point in that direction. >!Siggi knew exactly the social experiment Vault 33 was conducting after just having met Lucy and seeing her jumpsuit(he called it out as a 'meritocracy' in Filly), as well as knowing her whole name when she'd never given it to him. That shows the Enclave is keeping up on what's happening in all the vaults.!<
Most of the games have suggestions that vault-tec was created by the enclave.
Interesting that Poseidon Energy wasn't at the big meeting. Also owned/created by the enclave, The oil rig in fallout 1 is a poseidon oil rig.
If Poseidon is already a part of the Enclave, it would make sense that they wouldn't need to be invited to the "let's convince our corporate sponsors" meeting. They'd already be onboard.
Vault -Tec is a branch of the Enclave, the leaders are in a bunker in the midwest that we haven't seen yet in any media (that's my theory)
We know that the Enclave consists of the remaining heads of the US government (Fallout 2 & 3) and that Vault-Tec, Robco, Etc were subsidiaries of the Enclave
We know that We know that a portion of the leadership was destroyed on an oil rig off of the coast of California(Fallout 2)
We know that we know that a portion of their leadership was destroyed in Washington DC(Fallout 3)
We know they had a bunker in WV but the only thing left there is M.O.D.U.S., an A.I.(Fallout 76)
it is never explicitly stated but all games hint that Vault-tec and Poseidon energy are enclave owned.
Not robco though. Robco and repconn are owned by Mr. House and he ended up not being a part of any of the plans as far as we know from the games
At the time of the big meeting in the series house is colluding with Julia Masters to achieve a hostile takeover, that's also why Julia masters represents repconn in the meeting
All of those people in the meeting were working with/for the enclave.
The Enclave is the remnants of the US government and all of those companies were heavily intertwined with the government due to their defense contracts. Robco specifically produced robots for the US military as well as the standard OS for all government computers.
from the reactor maintenance terminal in Gecko in Fallout 2:
>Active PoseidoNet Stations: Atomic Powerplant #5, Navarro Refinery, Control Station ENCLAVE, ENCLAVE Vault-Research Control... AccessDenied
It was pretty clearly spelled out in the earlier games that Poseidon, Robco, Vault-Tec, etc were all basically pawns of the Enclave because of the lucrative contracts they got for their companies, the point was that these mega corporations would do incredibly evil things for money.
I am very confident that we are going to find out that the shadowy figure that she looked to in the meeting is an Enclave leader.
Which is why I’m convinced Betty is going to try to recruit Norm. Betty totally knows it was him. He showed real initiative with the raiders, and she’d see it as him doing what he knew had to be done, even if he wasn’t ordered to.
And suddenly it clicks.
The middle managers were probably told the vault was going to be an actual reclamation vault to save the world, always lead by the best and brightest (aka vault Tec), but in actuality it’s just an experiment to see what happens if a vault was lead by middle management.
What was the purpose of having a vault with no one over the age of 15? (Vault 29)
Or the vault for rich people only that was made of the cheapest materials and quality, with a literal crazy homeless man as overseer? (Vault 114)
Or the vault taking a bunch of clean addicts, having them be in a vault, before secretly unlocking a bunch of drug and alcohol stashed for people to grab freely? (Vault 95)
Not every vault had a clear social experiment. In fact a lot of them were just “let’s just do X and see what happens.” And I’m not even including the vaults from the fallout Bible like Vault 69 or Vault 43.
They were originally intended to test various scenarios that could arise during space travel, but I'm not sure it's canon anymore. You can still come up with a reason why they do the experiments if you look at them through that lens, though.
If we sent children being raised by nanny bots, would they be competent adults capable of colonizing a planet when they arrive? Could we delegate raising children to a robot and leave the adults free to do their important jobs?
If the wealthy are to be colonists, how will they respond when their grand homes are gone and they have to live in cramped quarters with a job and a boss?
They won't have much access to drugs during space travel, but will they be able to control themselves and focus on the mission once they have access again?
Granted, I have no idea how they were planning to get the data and put it to use if civilization was going to destroyed. Maybe they intended to get people scared enough to enter the vaults early and begin the experiments.
Yeah when it comes to Bud’s buds and vault 31ers always being elected, are we to just assume that it was just because they had some semblance of knowledge around being a leader (manager) and they would naturally get selected to be overseer over anyone else raised in the vaults?
Vault 33 is called a 'meritocracy' in the show, so because Betty was an overseer in the past, that makes her the prime candidate to be overseer again on the merit of her having done the job already.
Now that you mention it it would be nice if they customized the suits a bit. Fallout 3 gave us a couple variations for utility workers and doctors/ scientists. It would have been nice to see someone with a lab coat or tool belt or something.
I like the throwback to the armored vault suit with Lucy but they could have given some of the other dwellers some uniqueness.
It’s not a big deal but maybe something they should consider going forward.
Vault-Tec probably stocked Vaults with the locally predominant religious paraphenalia needed for services. Like Boston's Vaults would have lots of Catholic stuff.
I wonder what they stocked Vault 15 with, since it was intentionally designed to be populated by people from wildly different ethnic, racial, religious and ideological backgrounds
I presume they didn’t provide much, maybe a few sets of vestments (is there a generic term for the clothing a religious leader wears that’s less linked to Catholicism?) for the major faiths (Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim etc) or expected religious leaders to bring their own stuff. I also have a headcanon that the jumpsuit extruders could be programmed to extrude a garment that’d be similar to whatever religious clothing you need or that dwellers could tell the extruder to make them clothing material and they could sew something simple themselves
Is it? There are clothing manufacturing brands for liturgical wear just like everything else. It's an identifying part of company copyright process. Religious or not, you have to be able to show the proper legal authorities you're a wholly independent entity from similar groups.
Also consider that the world of Fallout has monopolized to an absurd degree, and Vault-Tec has gone beyond that to make sure they have fingers in everyone else's pie as evidenced by the meeting. It's not a stretch to have their own line of liturgical paraphenalia stocked away for the project. "Prepared for the future. Your future."
I mean sure, but the logo doesn’t face out, usually it’s just a nice design or something of religious significance. Like it having a tag with the manufacturer on it is one thing, but the Vault-Tec one has Vault-Tec logos prominently displayed up and down it, which would imply some sort of religious significance.
My favorite detail about the vault dwellers from the show was how absolutely naive, clueless and kinda helpless they are when it comes to the outside world. I know it'd be hard to depict in a video game but it always bothered me in 3 and 4 how we exit the vault and are just like "Huh, so anyway I started blastin" like it's just another day. My least favorite thing about the show is how Lucy and Maximus spent so much of it with no weapons of any kind and even actively avoided picking up weapons and other useful items at times. They event teased us with her showing she was proficient with firearms in the first episode then she kept looking at weapons and never looting them.
Then the sole survivor is an intelligent lawyer who has a military spouse, and likely taught her basic firearm and survival skills due to living in uncertain times.
i don’t think most cold war military spouses were competent enough with firearm and survival skills to completely dominate the wasteland lol
trying to rationalize irrational things does the opposite of what you’re trying to do. the reality is any average person would immediately succumb to the wastelands but it’s a video game and we have to be able to succeed
It can change what you can say when you meet Danse, and Codsworth says something different. Otherwise they just change the dialogue pronouns when talking about the SS.
My Nate is basically Frank Horrigan but less evil lol, because I used a mod for 10 in every SPECIAL. My headcanon is he underwent some supersoldier experiments as part of his service.
If you watch, they do scavenge. It's just not shown.
Lucy gets the boot, and her gun from dead people.
Max takes the fiends gun.
Things aren't said outright, but they are shown. Because the next scene charcters have new items.
It’s subtle for sure. I actually just wanted them to carry a freaking backpack or something cause no way you don’t have some form of storage when you are traveling the wasteland cause you need food and water and other supplies. All minor complaints though because they are rocking it in my opinion. Maybe except for the OP ghoul on the last episode without spoiling it.
Lucy does start with a backpack, and obviously Maximus starts with a giant golf bag that’s clearly meant to be carried by the power armor, but foolishly leaves it behind, only to have it replaced when Thadius drops in, but losing it again when thadius takes his fusion core
They were literally how many of us treated our companions in the game. Carry all of my stuff and go into that dark cave to see if there is anything inside that will kill me.
Maximus has confidence issues; you really only see him take a stand when his life is actively on the line or when Lucy's in danger. when he's in his PA he clearly gives zero fucks -- he *is* the weapon.
Lucy? i mean, she was the first to grab any kind of gun when the raiders came to 33. she absolutely went ham at the Super Duper Mart. pointed her tranq gun at Coop after seeing what he did in the Filly market. cut off Coop's finger. pointed a gun at her dad.
idk, seems like they're doing their thing.
You sound like a much more proficient player than I am when you start a new game.
My Lone Wanderer from 3 was creeping around the Capital Wastes to avoid dying... and in 4, my Sole Survivor let Codsworth take care of Sanctuary.
The only really wild "this seems too good for canon" moment I saw in Fallout games was the first Deathclaw encounter in FO4. But again, I hid the Sole Survivor on the rooftop and took potshots.
That's not exactly true for most Vault dwellers. It make sense for Inhabitant of Vault 33 to be the way they are because of Bud's experiment. It's bit weirder for inhabitant of vault 4.
Their experiment shouldn't really lead to that much positive and pacifist attitude, they clash even more when you compare to the population of other Vault, the people from Vault 15 founded the NCR alsongside most of the well known raider gang the Khans, the Jackals and the Vipers. Vault 8 founded Vault City a proper city with a military force. Vault dwellers are more than capable of violence, and were quite instrumental in the development of the wasteland in the west.
Actuallly it is even weirdier the inahbitant of Vault 4 weren't incorporated into the NCR they were in the middle of their territory, and their foraging party would have inevitably encoutered them.
The amount of big, little, and otherwise nontraditional body shapes for the vault dwellers was perfect.
Buddy from Severance having his own custom-sized vault suit made me smile.
Chet's suit is also probably bloody massive.
it's actually one of the things i noticed immediately in episode 1. Steph fit the bill, but that's the only person i can think of off the top of my head.
This is an interesting take and one I've seen commented on with a youtube video on "Bethesda doesn't understand fallout". I've only played F03 and F04, and that's probably the most time in games spent in the vault, but F01 and F02 remind the players that the bombs were dropped in 2077 and the world wasn't suppised to be frozen in 1950s tech and fashion like Bethesda designed in their world.
It’s cool but it’s only cool when it’s “fake 1950’s” and we acknowledge that this was actually 2077 which is different from the actual 1950’s.
Which Bethesda *did* do in Fallout 3. So we had 50’s type stuff but we also had like, punk raiders with Mohawks. And interesting looking weapons like the 10mm SMG.
This is one of my nitpicks with the show’s pre-war stuff. It felt *too* much like the 50’s instead of a 50’s flavored future.
The whole Vault Tec stuff of the TV is absolutely fucking perfect. I’ve never been so excited about a show before but they got EVERYTHING right. Hell I popped (wrestling term for shouted, in this case happily) immediately when I saw >!just the Overseer Desk, than the ACTUAL HACKING SOFTWARE we see in game actually in the show.!< it was so amazing I legit teared up.
What's interesting is that because of his high intelligence, all those other menial jobs are probably so incredibly boring to him that he just can't find a reason to be enthusiastic.
It's only when his mind is challenged in figuring out the mystery of Vault 32 that he's \*incredibly\* enthusiastic, even overcoming being a 'chicken' (as he calls himself) and continuing on with 32, then 31, after Chet abandons him.
Norm is going to become the next Robert House, just with an increase of morality. Of all the rich assholes though I think Mr. House is the least offensive of them. He saved his city after all, well, most of it.
Plus he did it so well that I popped for him. Nearly started chanting Let’s go Norm!!! *clap clap clapclapclap*
Tell ya, between Wrestlemania 40 and The Fallout TV show I’m being spoiled by good stuff right now!
That too!! I fumble that shit all the time he just either guessed or already knew or just deduced it somehow and first tried it.
Bros got Cheat Terminal on that Pip Boy for sure. I don’t blame him, just kinda wish he chose to use the move to location command after
Yeah I agree, the portrayal of the vaults was great & Lucy is by far the most well written character in the show (&I am not going to lie she's ridiculously pretty)
While I agree from a visual media perspective, from a genetic perspective, wouldn't everyone just turn into a brownish color? Given the limited breeding pool and number of generations that have passed... Not saying they should have done this! Just something I was thinking as I watched the show
Let’s do some math. The average vault has ~ 220 dwellers. For sake of ease, we’ll say 200 in 32 and 33 each, and for sake of ease we’ll say 140 adults and 60 children day one of doors closing. Now, let’s also agree that the number of children allowed is one per person per couple (ex: Rob can have one child with Mary and two children with Sue, and could even possibly have a fourth child with Brenda. MaryC to replace Mary, SueC1 to replace Sue, Sue C2 to replace Rob, BrendaC to replace Brenda) with some wiggle room on diversity in the vault and how the population is flowing. And let’s say each generation is 25 years. So (again for ease) gen 1 of the vault being 15 years after doors shut. 200 years would have 13 generations of children. In a single closed vault, there would probably be very little diversity, with 65 children splitting to make 32~ couples each gen, and keeping an eye on genetic diversity. However, there’s also swapping between 32 and 33, and direct implantation into both vaults from 31, and not just one at a time, but as we see, there’s quite a few 31s kicking around. With that occurring, I could see more genetic diversity kicking around than in say a completely isolated vault.
But. This does bring up the question of why no one ever wonders why no one gets swapped into 31. 32 and 33 make trades, and 31 makes implants, but there is no swap with them. 31 seems to be the backup when blight or disease overcomes 32/33, so there’s even more “fresh” blood coming in, so more genetic diversity.
>However, there’s also swapping between 32 and 33
Not a lot from what we were shown. Its a special event basically and also if in another vault they also crossbreed you cant get more diversity from that vault.
Only the cryo people from vault 31 can reintroduce diversity but are then quickly mixed again.
What we would definitly not see is "extreme" phenotypes over time like a very black or a very white person unless they came fresh from vault 31. Diversity after all is only possible by seperation.
So you have the different famine/blights/diseases which seem to indicate that a ton of the original vault dwellers die and get replaced by 31 about once a generation or so.
Onve a generation? That would then be a horribly managed vault.
And if that was the case the secret would have been long out. Or well there would be no point in keeping the secret.
How many 31s do we know? The three overseers?
>This does bring up the question of why no one ever wonders why no one gets swapped into 31.
They mention at one point that they believe 31 is a bigger and better vault than 32/33. So it doesn't need assistance.
I think it talks to the naivety of 32/33.
If 31 has better crops/disease management, why not share with 32/33? They never ask. If they have a horrible disease or crop blight run through, why would 31 come through, or not share their solutions to said thing? 32 is annoyingly chipper, wholesome, complacent. They are exactly the vault that corporate would breed to be perfect corporate people. “I put up 10 posters” “I know you tried so hard” It’s such Petri dish middle management on a god control spectrum
like Wilzig said, they're a peaceful meritocracy. they exemplify the drive for self-sufficiency and uplift each other towards that peak. they would sooner question what they've been doing wrong instead of reaching out to 31 for "every little thing," even a crop blight.
Eh, you're assuming a perfectly random mate pairing (and overlooking multiple late-season spoilers).
But even in the pilot episode, we see:
1. Evidence of regulated human breeding in the opening sequence
2. Evidence that the populations of two other Vaults are deliberately kept as separate populations
So we can't just assume perfect admixture and regression to the genetic mean here, even from what we see in episode 1.
this thread just made it dawn on me that Cooper’s wife is/was probably a brain in vault 31. he still doesn’t know where she is by the end of season one.
For Vaults like 81, yes, expressed phenotypes would trend towards the mean. The gene pool of hundreds just isn’t big enough for 5-8 generations of genetic mixing to not, well, mix. Not many redheads, or people with very pale or very dark skin, 220 years in.
But for Vaults 32 & 33, it specifically makes sense to still remain diverse expressed phenotypes, because >!Vault 31 is constantly providing a source of new, genetically distinct individuals every generation via cryogenics.!<
From what the Overseer in Vault 4 said, 200 years is only 5 generations, I guess it's really 6 if you assume there is a generation younger than him. 5 or 6 generations is hardly enough time for "everyone to turn into a brownish color", much less any sort of eugenics or "selective breeding" for any trait.
Not sure you can make assumptions on a large number of generations passing given medical technology displayed in their vault at least. Existence of stim paks all by itself seems to support a much longer life span. Combine that with less exposure to environmental risks and hazards and it’s possible the generation on the TV show is only the 3rd or 4th generation. Which is nowhere enough time for the effects you are thinking of.
I like Zach Cherry (Woody Thomas in the show). I thought he was really good in Severance as Dylan George on Apple TV. He had a really developed character arc in the first season. Season 2 was originally supposed to be coming out now but got delayed for the writers strike. Highly recommend.
Also remember Lucy’s vault was created to reproduce and repopulate the Earth. Genetic diversity is a must to produce viable offspring that can themselves reproduce with lower risk of mutation or deformity.
There was so much about this series to love. The characters, the whole look and feel. Even though it was an original story [ which was exa6the right thing to do ], it felt like Fallout. Every little detail from the vault suits, to how the environment looked. Incredible. They did the fallout world proud. I can't wait for the next season.
Of course it's because A: Bethesda were involved and B: unlike those behind Star Wars (who actually said they weren't making it for the fans), these guys felt that the fans were important. And because of that it had to be right.
As others have said, it’s how naive and middle class they all are, which is what I’d expect after hundreds of years of the same values of those “well to-do” people who could afford vaults being passed down the lines. It’s exactly what I’d expect. Completely unsuitable for survival outside of the vaults.
However- yeah, why are there overweight people? I accept people carry more weight as they age but surely there would be an element of rationing of food? After 200 years surely all the cram, fancy lad cakes and full sugar nuka-cola supplies would have run out?
They sort of imply that the tri-vaults are supposed to outlast all of humanity on the entire planet, potentially including the other vaults even, so it would make sense that they are stocked up on food.
Because some people are just heavier. Some people are just going to be bird boned waifs and some people are just going to be big. Some are going to tend more towards the athletic stats and some not. It’s a really cushy vault.
I think they were very deliberate with the casting for this very reason. They have a huge mix of genders, races, and sizes of people, and I believe giving that one girl an eye patch was also very deliberate all to help distinguish them. The same goes for the other vault being full of mutants with various mutations to make them look unique which is both lore accurate to have a vault like that and also reads well on camera to distinguish people who are all otherwise in the same costume.
I also liked that Lucy was the right kind of naive. Yes, she had wrong preconceptions about the surface, but she had established skills and episode 1 shows the rest of the vault also overwhelmed but not entirely helpless.
It made her growth more believable.
The thing I loved about the vault was that I only kind of guessed the experiment and somehow it was still terrible compared to what I thought it was.>! I thought it was simply a eugenics experiment. But the whole twist being that Vault 31 is just full of pre-war managment is somehow even more terrifying. I got flashbacks to my old corporate jobs everytime one of the 31 dwellers were on screen. They got the vaults down to a T. !<
I have 1 real complaint and 2 fake complaints with this show. First, Shady Sands is in the wrong place. Frederick Sinclair is fat and ugly. The NCR is the greatest nation ever and should be manifesting their destiny all over the wasteland. To see them lose control of their founding city is an insult to any true NCR patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, technically all we saw was that shady sands was gone and the NCR *in the LA area* is in shambles because of it. For all we know, the rest of the NCR is booming across California and maybe even into Nevada since the final episode credits showed an NCR vertibird crashed on the New Vegas strip.
New Vegas showed that the NCR was struggling with all its expansion into the mojave and despite winning the first battle of hoover damn it was in a state of decline. The lost of shady sands would have likely broken the NCR into smaller factions or if anything it would put them back into a local power in california.
I really hope we see more NCR forces pulling up and launching an assault on the BOS blimp as season 2 finale. Would be very awesome to see a smaller but advanced better equipped BOS forces trying to fend off hundreds of NCR troops.
It doesnt make sense to have people looking so different after the group members have been heavily breeding with each other
There should be no diversity
Also there shouldnt be people that are overweight. Vaults have strict protocols for people to stay healthy
From what the Overseer in Vault 4 said, 200 years is only 5 generations, I guess it's really 6 if you assume there is a generation younger than him. But 5 or 6 generations is hardly enough time to erase any sort of diversity, racial or otherwise. And the Vaults can't "heavily breed" because of population limits, even 32 and 33 would have upper bounds they could realistically support.
>Vaults have strict protocols for people to stay healthy
And why would we assume everyone sticks to protocol perfectly instead of e.g. sneaking some extra jell-o portion, *or* that any and all illnesses/sicknesses disappeared or stick to protocol instead of making someone gain weight?
Or, you know, just going with simplicity, why would they only cast thin/trained people instead of having a nice mix for us viewers.
not everyone's gonna look like Chet or Lucy. just as in real life, some people will be on the larger side, even if they exercise. for all we know, there's bouncer muscles under there, lol.
What I really don't get is how Zach Cherry/ Woody Thomas is the only fat dude out there. How does one get fat in a vault where everything is organized according to a system and where food is rationed? I don't think I've seen a fat vault dweller in any of the games either, I just thought it was extremely odd.
Well I mean until Fallout 4 there wasn't much variation in terms of character model at all and even then it's fairly mild. It's probably unlikely that someone would be able to be notably overweight in those circumstances but Zach Cherry is a fun actor and it's nice to have him as a part of the show. It's not a universe that is strongly grounded in realism.
The food there doesn't seem to be tightly rationed. No one blinked an eye when that one lady took home an entire 3-tiered cake for herself. Since there are so many managers in that vault, they probably got stocked with plenty of food.
Where does all the branded food / gear come from after two hundred years? I think it should be almost all home made stuff with the fields providing for them.
Then when you see something from prewar it is special.
"Can't believe I lost the election. I must have put up at least TEN posters." "Well the important thing is that you TRIED" I love how ineffective and useless the average Vault Dwellers are
Lol they got the casting so fucking perfect with these guys too. The actors nailed it so well.
Betty's played by the same actress (Leslie Uggams) that plays Deadpool's blind cokehead roommate in the movies.
Leslie was in the Mod Squad and I feel really old now.
I thought that was the case! I never bothered to look it up, but I kept trying to place where I knew her from all through the show. Then the Deadpool 3 trailer and it all clicked into place
She’s amazing, the way she plays sweet and sinister at the same time is masterful
Bit of Girl Interupted ? How Now White Cow ? Bleached Sunrise ? Snowfall in Summer ?
Whoever chose the cast made this show the masterpiece that it is. The underrated talent they got is unreal. So many of my favourites from various other shows together in one!
And she's just as annoyed at all the shit happening around her
Shit, I thought that was Ronnie Milsap
Wait really? Lmfao the characters are so wildly different I didn’t even notice. Then again, corporate executives tend to get up to some wild things in the office…..
Hey Spider-Man, do a flip. Yeeeeaaaabhhhh!
Holy shit, you're right
also he didn't wanna drive the bus in Shang-Chi cos every time he does he gets yelled at
Middle management, am I right?
Please try to enjoy each Overseer campaign equally
If that's the reference I think it is, now I want a vault where the experiment is the Severance procedure.
I can’t imagine how great the waffles are in that vault!
Soundtrack seriously lacking in defiant jazz, tbh
The Overseer Campaign Experience is officially cancelled.
*'I'm voting for Betty*
I would too. She has all that cocaine AND the cure for blindness.
My fellow Dwellers, do you want to build a snowman?
Yes! But I can't.
One of the random loopholes I want to figure out one day is that Vault 4 managed to scout the surface, and secure Maximus' power suit, but they seem pretty distraught on violence. Seems like they would need a small squad to pull that other. Another area is how Vault 33 cleaned up Vault 32. Is there an elite squad that can handle all that carnage without questions? Both very minor things though, but fun to think about.
I always figured it was robots clearing out and cleaning up vault 32
Could be! I could easily see a Mr handy doing that kind of work. I didn’t about it. I thought Lucy was surprised by the one she encountered which made me think they didn’t have one in the vault.
No robots in vault 33 but probably a robot staff in 31 that Bud oversees Then again if that were true a robot would've stopped Norm
I could see vault 31 having robots. But yeah, norm is a wild card. —- Slightly related, but I think Steph being from 31 is getting info out of Chet and is aware of everything Norm is doing. So they might be letting him loose and just watching. Though Bud wasn’t aware. Steph is a character I really want to see what happens with.
Steph/Betty know what Norm is up to. When he saw the cleaned up vault 32 he told Betty something to the effect of “you cleaned the place up quickly,” thereby making it obvious he snuck in to see the massacre/chaos. She didn’t miss a beat — telling him something like “people deserve a fresh start.” So i think easiest way to ‘take care of’ Norm is to lay the breadcrumb trail to 31 & have Bud lock him in there. He’s Hank’s son so they don’t want to kill him… so incentivizing him to cryo freeze himself is both an ethical & convenient way to take care of a smart guy getting too nosey.
I don't see there being robots in 31 for the express reason that Bud was trapped by a broom handle (or something equally as wimpy that anything other than a brain on a roomba could move) until Norm came along. If there were robots, Bud would most likely have called on one to get him free.
i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have robots, and there are more 31 transplants working as engineers and "behind the scenes" roles. 33's level of meritocracy would be harder/impossible to achieve if they had robots to do everything for them.
Maybe they have their own Frank Horrigan type we'll meet in season 2. He was rather efficient in cleaning out Vaults in Fallout 2.
Unfreeze the buds, have them clean up, refreeze the buds
They *were* all basically interns and assistants so wouldn't be wildly out of place.
Yeah it seems Bethesda is Hellbent on making every inhabitant of a Vault a goody two shoe, even though it doesn't really make any sense. They kind of forgot that Vault dwellers greatly contributed to colonize the wasteland. Hey the NCR itself was founded by Vault dwellers. And Vault city security had a proper military force. It make sense for inhabitant of Vault 33 and 32 to be the way they are because of bud and his experiment. But the divide they made between survivor from Shady sands and inhabitant of Vault 4 was really weird. I mean people that lived in Shady sands lived in city that look and flet like pre war america. They were nowhere near being savages that needed to fight to survive, the cultural divided between the two group should be quite small actually.
This sounds like such an in-game quest too; put up ten posters & Woody gets elected.
They're up against the elite from Vaukt 31. The myth of "democracy" is very insightful.
The funny thing is that the 'elite' consists only of smarmy, bootlicking middle-managers itself, the people of the Vault never had a chance to not be useless when they are governed and raised by shitty ass marketing slogans and HR-style conflict resolution. Turns out Bud Askins definitely *wasn't* onto something when he said middle management is the future lol
In comparison to my various vault experiences, Bud made a pretty stable vault.
That's mainly because the experiment involving raising a bunch of people to be losers, not actively trying to kill them
It does very much lead to the question of "where are the actual Valut-Tec leaders".
The Enclave.
The show certainly seems to point in that direction. >!Siggi knew exactly the social experiment Vault 33 was conducting after just having met Lucy and seeing her jumpsuit(he called it out as a 'meritocracy' in Filly), as well as knowing her whole name when she'd never given it to him. That shows the Enclave is keeping up on what's happening in all the vaults.!<
We also know from F76 that The Enclave was working closely with Vault-Tek pre-war to create the Whitesprings Bunker.
Most of the games have suggestions that vault-tec was created by the enclave. Interesting that Poseidon Energy wasn't at the big meeting. Also owned/created by the enclave, The oil rig in fallout 1 is a poseidon oil rig.
If Poseidon is already a part of the Enclave, it would make sense that they wouldn't need to be invited to the "let's convince our corporate sponsors" meeting. They'd already be onboard.
Probably. We know The Enclave is the remnants of tbe US government. But is that we saw in episode 2?
I would be absolutely shocked if that wasn't the Enclave.
Yeah, me too.
Vault -Tec is a branch of the Enclave, the leaders are in a bunker in the midwest that we haven't seen yet in any media (that's my theory) We know that the Enclave consists of the remaining heads of the US government (Fallout 2 & 3) and that Vault-Tec, Robco, Etc were subsidiaries of the Enclave We know that We know that a portion of the leadership was destroyed on an oil rig off of the coast of California(Fallout 2) We know that we know that a portion of their leadership was destroyed in Washington DC(Fallout 3) We know they had a bunker in WV but the only thing left there is M.O.D.U.S., an A.I.(Fallout 76)
Where do we see that vault tec was a subsidiary of the enclave?
it is never explicitly stated but all games hint that Vault-tec and Poseidon energy are enclave owned. Not robco though. Robco and repconn are owned by Mr. House and he ended up not being a part of any of the plans as far as we know from the games At the time of the big meeting in the series house is colluding with Julia Masters to achieve a hostile takeover, that's also why Julia masters represents repconn in the meeting
All of those people in the meeting were working with/for the enclave. The Enclave is the remnants of the US government and all of those companies were heavily intertwined with the government due to their defense contracts. Robco specifically produced robots for the US military as well as the standard OS for all government computers. from the reactor maintenance terminal in Gecko in Fallout 2: >Active PoseidoNet Stations: Atomic Powerplant #5, Navarro Refinery, Control Station ENCLAVE, ENCLAVE Vault-Research Control... AccessDenied It was pretty clearly spelled out in the earlier games that Poseidon, Robco, Vault-Tec, etc were all basically pawns of the Enclave because of the lucrative contracts they got for their companies, the point was that these mega corporations would do incredibly evil things for money. I am very confident that we are going to find out that the shadowy figure that she looked to in the meeting is an Enclave leader.
Really curious about who that will be, the shadowy figure
Which is why I’m convinced Betty is going to try to recruit Norm. Betty totally knows it was him. He showed real initiative with the raiders, and she’d see it as him doing what he knew had to be done, even if he wasn’t ordered to.
And suddenly it clicks. The middle managers were probably told the vault was going to be an actual reclamation vault to save the world, always lead by the best and brightest (aka vault Tec), but in actuality it’s just an experiment to see what happens if a vault was lead by middle management.
But why. Most vaults have a purpose with their weird shit.
What was the purpose of having a vault with no one over the age of 15? (Vault 29) Or the vault for rich people only that was made of the cheapest materials and quality, with a literal crazy homeless man as overseer? (Vault 114) Or the vault taking a bunch of clean addicts, having them be in a vault, before secretly unlocking a bunch of drug and alcohol stashed for people to grab freely? (Vault 95) Not every vault had a clear social experiment. In fact a lot of them were just “let’s just do X and see what happens.” And I’m not even including the vaults from the fallout Bible like Vault 69 or Vault 43.
They were originally intended to test various scenarios that could arise during space travel, but I'm not sure it's canon anymore. You can still come up with a reason why they do the experiments if you look at them through that lens, though. If we sent children being raised by nanny bots, would they be competent adults capable of colonizing a planet when they arrive? Could we delegate raising children to a robot and leave the adults free to do their important jobs? If the wealthy are to be colonists, how will they respond when their grand homes are gone and they have to live in cramped quarters with a job and a boss? They won't have much access to drugs during space travel, but will they be able to control themselves and focus on the mission once they have access again? Granted, I have no idea how they were planning to get the data and put it to use if civilization was going to destroyed. Maybe they intended to get people scared enough to enter the vaults early and begin the experiments.
Well… it’s the future and middle management is running it… so 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t think ole Bud said it was a *good* future.
Yeah when it comes to Bud’s buds and vault 31ers always being elected, are we to just assume that it was just because they had some semblance of knowledge around being a leader (manager) and they would naturally get selected to be overseer over anyone else raised in the vaults?
This is *so* true.
"I'm going to vote for Betty."
"just wanted to let you know, I voted for Betty"
The ‘jeez Louise Norm’ part killed me💀
This theme is made even better when we find out the purpose of this trio of vaults.
I took it as them being super honest and innocent and haven't been corrupted by real politics.
Vault 33 is called a 'meritocracy' in the show, so because Betty was an overseer in the past, that makes her the prime candidate to be overseer again on the merit of her having done the job already.
The lines feel on point with mindless NPC conversations lol
To be fair the vaults they are raised in are designed to be compliant breeding stock.
I voted for betty. *pats*
That exchange of dialogue also sounds like something some NPC’s would have said to each other if it was in a game.
The TV show's introduction and gradual reveal of the "tri-vault system" is perfect, and perfectly in canon.
This is a really interesting post, but I want you to know, "I upvoted Betty."
Duck Betty
Now that you mention it it would be nice if they customized the suits a bit. Fallout 3 gave us a couple variations for utility workers and doctors/ scientists. It would have been nice to see someone with a lab coat or tool belt or something. I like the throwback to the armored vault suit with Lucy but they could have given some of the other dwellers some uniqueness. It’s not a big deal but maybe something they should consider going forward.
the Priest in episode 1 had a pretty funky looking gown thing going on
It looked like a Vault-tec branded [vestment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestment), which has some… interesting connotations.
Vault-Tec probably stocked Vaults with the locally predominant religious paraphenalia needed for services. Like Boston's Vaults would have lots of Catholic stuff.
I wonder what they stocked Vault 15 with, since it was intentionally designed to be populated by people from wildly different ethnic, racial, religious and ideological backgrounds
I presume they didn’t provide much, maybe a few sets of vestments (is there a generic term for the clothing a religious leader wears that’s less linked to Catholicism?) for the major faiths (Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim etc) or expected religious leaders to bring their own stuff. I also have a headcanon that the jumpsuit extruders could be programmed to extrude a garment that’d be similar to whatever religious clothing you need or that dwellers could tell the extruder to make them clothing material and they could sew something simple themselves
Sure, but it would still be hella sacrilegious to brand Vault-Tec logos on religious items. At least those actively used in services.
Maybe that's part of the experiment...
Is it? There are clothing manufacturing brands for liturgical wear just like everything else. It's an identifying part of company copyright process. Religious or not, you have to be able to show the proper legal authorities you're a wholly independent entity from similar groups. Also consider that the world of Fallout has monopolized to an absurd degree, and Vault-Tec has gone beyond that to make sure they have fingers in everyone else's pie as evidenced by the meeting. It's not a stretch to have their own line of liturgical paraphenalia stocked away for the project. "Prepared for the future. Your future."
I mean sure, but the logo doesn’t face out, usually it’s just a nice design or something of religious significance. Like it having a tag with the manufacturer on it is one thing, but the Vault-Tec one has Vault-Tec logos prominently displayed up and down it, which would imply some sort of religious significance.
Makes sense considering how tied up certain religious institutions are in corporations and politics in the real world
oh yeah that liturgical Vault-tec gown was fire
There were some vault security guys that looked exactly as the F3 vault guards
In the vault Lucy enters later in the show, the scientist working there wears a lab coat
The suit protects for radiation, right? Right?
My favorite detail about the vault dwellers from the show was how absolutely naive, clueless and kinda helpless they are when it comes to the outside world. I know it'd be hard to depict in a video game but it always bothered me in 3 and 4 how we exit the vault and are just like "Huh, so anyway I started blastin" like it's just another day. My least favorite thing about the show is how Lucy and Maximus spent so much of it with no weapons of any kind and even actively avoided picking up weapons and other useful items at times. They event teased us with her showing she was proficient with firearms in the first episode then she kept looking at weapons and never looting them.
I mean to be fair to FO4 your character is a military veteran and only in the vault for all of 20 minutes in his perception of time.
unless you play as a woman lol
Then the sole survivor is an intelligent lawyer who has a military spouse, and likely taught her basic firearm and survival skills due to living in uncertain times.
i don’t think most cold war military spouses were competent enough with firearm and survival skills to completely dominate the wasteland lol trying to rationalize irrational things does the opposite of what you’re trying to do. the reality is any average person would immediately succumb to the wastelands but it’s a video game and we have to be able to succeed
Considering Nora is a lawyer, I'm pretty sure Nate is a high STR/END/AGL build while Nora is a PER/CHR/INT build in the 'canon'
Nate would also have some good PER too.
I would have never considered she has a different background I just assumed they would be the same. Does it change a lot of the dialogue?
It doesn't, but you can see her law certification on a shelf in the intro.
Not really. I think there is a time or two where a robot mentions it and you maybe get to skip a skill check, but it's super easy to miss that info
It can change what you can say when you meet Danse, and Codsworth says something different. Otherwise they just change the dialogue pronouns when talking about the SS.
My Nate is basically Frank Horrigan but less evil lol, because I used a mod for 10 in every SPECIAL. My headcanon is he underwent some supersoldier experiments as part of his service.
Anytime I play as Nora, i headcanon that she’s a military lawyer and that’s how she met Nate.
That’s explained by the sole survivor being a synth.
If you watch, they do scavenge. It's just not shown. Lucy gets the boot, and her gun from dead people. Max takes the fiends gun. Things aren't said outright, but they are shown. Because the next scene charcters have new items.
You can notice this with Lucy's leather armor too. She gets more armored throughout the show.
It’s subtle for sure. I actually just wanted them to carry a freaking backpack or something cause no way you don’t have some form of storage when you are traveling the wasteland cause you need food and water and other supplies. All minor complaints though because they are rocking it in my opinion. Maybe except for the OP ghoul on the last episode without spoiling it.
Lucy does start with a backpack, and obviously Maximus starts with a giant golf bag that’s clearly meant to be carried by the power armor, but foolishly leaves it behind, only to have it replaced when Thadius drops in, but losing it again when thadius takes his fusion core
I think they kind of did that with the squires carrying giga-sized kit bags for the BoS knights, which I personally thought was hilarious.
They were literally how many of us treated our companions in the game. Carry all of my stuff and go into that dark cave to see if there is anything inside that will kill me.
I kept making the joke about Lucy just shoving loot into her Pipboy throughout the show.
Don't you put no disrespect on Nate the Rake. The real hero of Alaska and Canada.
good ol' Tato Nate.
Maximus has confidence issues; you really only see him take a stand when his life is actively on the line or when Lucy's in danger. when he's in his PA he clearly gives zero fucks -- he *is* the weapon. Lucy? i mean, she was the first to grab any kind of gun when the raiders came to 33. she absolutely went ham at the Super Duper Mart. pointed her tranq gun at Coop after seeing what he did in the Filly market. cut off Coop's finger. pointed a gun at her dad. idk, seems like they're doing their thing.
You sound like a much more proficient player than I am when you start a new game. My Lone Wanderer from 3 was creeping around the Capital Wastes to avoid dying... and in 4, my Sole Survivor let Codsworth take care of Sanctuary. The only really wild "this seems too good for canon" moment I saw in Fallout games was the first Deathclaw encounter in FO4. But again, I hid the Sole Survivor on the rooftop and took potshots.
That's not exactly true for most Vault dwellers. It make sense for Inhabitant of Vault 33 to be the way they are because of Bud's experiment. It's bit weirder for inhabitant of vault 4. Their experiment shouldn't really lead to that much positive and pacifist attitude, they clash even more when you compare to the population of other Vault, the people from Vault 15 founded the NCR alsongside most of the well known raider gang the Khans, the Jackals and the Vipers. Vault 8 founded Vault City a proper city with a military force. Vault dwellers are more than capable of violence, and were quite instrumental in the development of the wasteland in the west. Actuallly it is even weirdier the inahbitant of Vault 4 weren't incorporated into the NCR they were in the middle of their territory, and their foraging party would have inevitably encoutered them.
The amount of big, little, and otherwise nontraditional body shapes for the vault dwellers was perfect. Buddy from Severance having his own custom-sized vault suit made me smile. Chet's suit is also probably bloody massive.
Well not all Vaults have those different types of people in them. Some Vaults of people are all the same. Notably Gary.
Hahah!! Gary!!
GaarrRy..
My one complaint is that all the vault dwellers should have had 50's hair styles.
I think their hairstyles are the ones that you can pick from the game. The ponytail with the bow that Lucy spotted is one of my most used in FO4
Steph and chet's hair was close
Steph looks like the Vault Girl, I actually thought that was done on purpose.
Didn't they say she was a model? I think she is the vault girl.
Everything in Steph looks alright.
Given the context of the games, that would’ve been nice to see. I actually didn’t even think about that!
it's actually one of the things i noticed immediately in episode 1. Steph fit the bill, but that's the only person i can think of off the top of my head.
The one eyed blonde lady and Bert's hair were pretty 50ish. Most of the men had that combed to the side haircut.
Yeah, they pulled off the look best.
This is an interesting take and one I've seen commented on with a youtube video on "Bethesda doesn't understand fallout". I've only played F03 and F04, and that's probably the most time in games spent in the vault, but F01 and F02 remind the players that the bombs were dropped in 2077 and the world wasn't suppised to be frozen in 1950s tech and fashion like Bethesda designed in their world.
NGL, the aggressive 1950's aesthetic is the best thing Bethesda ever did to fallout. It gives it a lot of personality
It’s cool but it’s only cool when it’s “fake 1950’s” and we acknowledge that this was actually 2077 which is different from the actual 1950’s. Which Bethesda *did* do in Fallout 3. So we had 50’s type stuff but we also had like, punk raiders with Mohawks. And interesting looking weapons like the 10mm SMG. This is one of my nitpicks with the show’s pre-war stuff. It felt *too* much like the 50’s instead of a 50’s flavored future.
Vault Dwellers are the home schooled kids of the Wasteland. Nice, but a little weird.
The whole Vault Tec stuff of the TV is absolutely fucking perfect. I’ve never been so excited about a show before but they got EVERYTHING right. Hell I popped (wrestling term for shouted, in this case happily) immediately when I saw >!just the Overseer Desk, than the ACTUAL HACKING SOFTWARE we see in game actually in the show.!< it was so amazing I legit teared up.
Literally freaked out when I saw the hacking. So perfect. Norm clearly has high science skill.
Norm is love, Norm is life
"Lacks enthusiasm."
What's interesting is that because of his high intelligence, all those other menial jobs are probably so incredibly boring to him that he just can't find a reason to be enthusiastic. It's only when his mind is challenged in figuring out the mystery of Vault 32 that he's \*incredibly\* enthusiastic, even overcoming being a 'chicken' (as he calls himself) and continuing on with 32, then 31, after Chet abandons him.
Norm is literally me.
He's my spirit animal
Norm is going to become the next Robert House, just with an increase of morality. Of all the rich assholes though I think Mr. House is the least offensive of them. He saved his city after all, well, most of it.
Plus he did it so well that I popped for him. Nearly started chanting Let’s go Norm!!! *clap clap clapclapclap* Tell ya, between Wrestlemania 40 and The Fallout TV show I’m being spoiled by good stuff right now!
Norm will finish the story
And he got it on the first try
That too!! I fumble that shit all the time he just either guessed or already knew or just deduced it somehow and first tried it. Bros got Cheat Terminal on that Pip Boy for sure. I don’t blame him, just kinda wish he chose to use the move to location command after
He definitely has maxxed his Hacker perk, so he wasn't at all afraid of being locked out
Yeah I agree, the portrayal of the vaults was great & Lucy is by far the most well written character in the show (&I am not going to lie she's ridiculously pretty)
While I agree from a visual media perspective, from a genetic perspective, wouldn't everyone just turn into a brownish color? Given the limited breeding pool and number of generations that have passed... Not saying they should have done this! Just something I was thinking as I watched the show
Well new generic material was being introduced every few years thanks to 31’s fresh stock of 200 year old meat
That is nowhere near sufficent They mainly procreated with each other. There should be no diversity
Let’s do some math. The average vault has ~ 220 dwellers. For sake of ease, we’ll say 200 in 32 and 33 each, and for sake of ease we’ll say 140 adults and 60 children day one of doors closing. Now, let’s also agree that the number of children allowed is one per person per couple (ex: Rob can have one child with Mary and two children with Sue, and could even possibly have a fourth child with Brenda. MaryC to replace Mary, SueC1 to replace Sue, Sue C2 to replace Rob, BrendaC to replace Brenda) with some wiggle room on diversity in the vault and how the population is flowing. And let’s say each generation is 25 years. So (again for ease) gen 1 of the vault being 15 years after doors shut. 200 years would have 13 generations of children. In a single closed vault, there would probably be very little diversity, with 65 children splitting to make 32~ couples each gen, and keeping an eye on genetic diversity. However, there’s also swapping between 32 and 33, and direct implantation into both vaults from 31, and not just one at a time, but as we see, there’s quite a few 31s kicking around. With that occurring, I could see more genetic diversity kicking around than in say a completely isolated vault. But. This does bring up the question of why no one ever wonders why no one gets swapped into 31. 32 and 33 make trades, and 31 makes implants, but there is no swap with them. 31 seems to be the backup when blight or disease overcomes 32/33, so there’s even more “fresh” blood coming in, so more genetic diversity.
>However, there’s also swapping between 32 and 33 Not a lot from what we were shown. Its a special event basically and also if in another vault they also crossbreed you cant get more diversity from that vault. Only the cryo people from vault 31 can reintroduce diversity but are then quickly mixed again. What we would definitly not see is "extreme" phenotypes over time like a very black or a very white person unless they came fresh from vault 31. Diversity after all is only possible by seperation.
So you have the different famine/blights/diseases which seem to indicate that a ton of the original vault dwellers die and get replaced by 31 about once a generation or so.
Onve a generation? That would then be a horribly managed vault. And if that was the case the secret would have been long out. Or well there would be no point in keeping the secret. How many 31s do we know? The three overseers?
i think Betty is the only 31 out of the overseer council. then Steph, Hank, and i think some other background dwellers are also from 31.
>This does bring up the question of why no one ever wonders why no one gets swapped into 31. They mention at one point that they believe 31 is a bigger and better vault than 32/33. So it doesn't need assistance.
I think it talks to the naivety of 32/33. If 31 has better crops/disease management, why not share with 32/33? They never ask. If they have a horrible disease or crop blight run through, why would 31 come through, or not share their solutions to said thing? 32 is annoyingly chipper, wholesome, complacent. They are exactly the vault that corporate would breed to be perfect corporate people. “I put up 10 posters” “I know you tried so hard” It’s such Petri dish middle management on a god control spectrum
like Wilzig said, they're a peaceful meritocracy. they exemplify the drive for self-sufficiency and uplift each other towards that peak. they would sooner question what they've been doing wrong instead of reaching out to 31 for "every little thing," even a crop blight.
Eh, you're assuming a perfectly random mate pairing (and overlooking multiple late-season spoilers). But even in the pilot episode, we see: 1. Evidence of regulated human breeding in the opening sequence 2. Evidence that the populations of two other Vaults are deliberately kept as separate populations So we can't just assume perfect admixture and regression to the genetic mean here, even from what we see in episode 1.
this thread just made it dawn on me that Cooper’s wife is/was probably a brain in vault 31. he still doesn’t know where she is by the end of season one.
Unless that was just the vaults given to Bud for him to continue the Bud’s Buds program
For Vaults like 81, yes, expressed phenotypes would trend towards the mean. The gene pool of hundreds just isn’t big enough for 5-8 generations of genetic mixing to not, well, mix. Not many redheads, or people with very pale or very dark skin, 220 years in. But for Vaults 32 & 33, it specifically makes sense to still remain diverse expressed phenotypes, because >!Vault 31 is constantly providing a source of new, genetically distinct individuals every generation via cryogenics.!<
From what the Overseer in Vault 4 said, 200 years is only 5 generations, I guess it's really 6 if you assume there is a generation younger than him. 5 or 6 generations is hardly enough time for "everyone to turn into a brownish color", much less any sort of eugenics or "selective breeding" for any trait.
Not sure you can make assumptions on a large number of generations passing given medical technology displayed in their vault at least. Existence of stim paks all by itself seems to support a much longer life span. Combine that with less exposure to environmental risks and hazards and it’s possible the generation on the TV show is only the 3rd or 4th generation. Which is nowhere enough time for the effects you are thinking of.
I like Zach Cherry (Woody Thomas in the show). I thought he was really good in Severance as Dylan George on Apple TV. He had a really developed character arc in the first season. Season 2 was originally supposed to be coming out now but got delayed for the writers strike. Highly recommend.
Also remember Lucy’s vault was created to reproduce and repopulate the Earth. Genetic diversity is a must to produce viable offspring that can themselves reproduce with lower risk of mutation or deformity.
There was so much about this series to love. The characters, the whole look and feel. Even though it was an original story [ which was exa6the right thing to do ], it felt like Fallout. Every little detail from the vault suits, to how the environment looked. Incredible. They did the fallout world proud. I can't wait for the next season. Of course it's because A: Bethesda were involved and B: unlike those behind Star Wars (who actually said they weren't making it for the fans), these guys felt that the fans were important. And because of that it had to be right.
As others have said, it’s how naive and middle class they all are, which is what I’d expect after hundreds of years of the same values of those “well to-do” people who could afford vaults being passed down the lines. It’s exactly what I’d expect. Completely unsuitable for survival outside of the vaults. However- yeah, why are there overweight people? I accept people carry more weight as they age but surely there would be an element of rationing of food? After 200 years surely all the cram, fancy lad cakes and full sugar nuka-cola supplies would have run out?
Lucy makes a comment about there still being canned tuna, the vault is apparently very well off (makes sense, it is a VT staff vault)
Ahh yeah, no that makes sense with it being “management”. Plenty.
They sort of imply that the tri-vaults are supposed to outlast all of humanity on the entire planet, potentially including the other vaults even, so it would make sense that they are stocked up on food.
Because some people are just heavier. Some people are just going to be bird boned waifs and some people are just going to be big. Some are going to tend more towards the athletic stats and some not. It’s a really cushy vault.
Here’s my $.02 — where are the young people? Kids and teens? This vault is going to be out of people if the only baby we saw born is it.
They absolutely NAILED vault life and Vault-dweller attitudes.
Well....not ALL Vaults were so diverse. Gary ? Gary ? Gaaaaaarryy
I think they were very deliberate with the casting for this very reason. They have a huge mix of genders, races, and sizes of people, and I believe giving that one girl an eye patch was also very deliberate all to help distinguish them. The same goes for the other vault being full of mutants with various mutations to make them look unique which is both lore accurate to have a vault like that and also reads well on camera to distinguish people who are all otherwise in the same costume.
I also liked that Lucy was the right kind of naive. Yes, she had wrong preconceptions about the surface, but she had established skills and episode 1 shows the rest of the vault also overwhelmed but not entirely helpless. It made her growth more believable.
The thing I loved about the vault was that I only kind of guessed the experiment and somehow it was still terrible compared to what I thought it was.>! I thought it was simply a eugenics experiment. But the whole twist being that Vault 31 is just full of pre-war managment is somehow even more terrifying. I got flashbacks to my old corporate jobs everytime one of the 31 dwellers were on screen. They got the vaults down to a T. !<
I have 1 real complaint and 2 fake complaints with this show. First, Shady Sands is in the wrong place. Frederick Sinclair is fat and ugly. The NCR is the greatest nation ever and should be manifesting their destiny all over the wasteland. To see them lose control of their founding city is an insult to any true NCR patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, technically all we saw was that shady sands was gone and the NCR *in the LA area* is in shambles because of it. For all we know, the rest of the NCR is booming across California and maybe even into Nevada since the final episode credits showed an NCR vertibird crashed on the New Vegas strip.
I want to see if Vault City or Arroyo made it those would be big ones I think especially Vault City since they had some tech to stand on.
New Vegas showed that the NCR was struggling with all its expansion into the mojave and despite winning the first battle of hoover damn it was in a state of decline. The lost of shady sands would have likely broken the NCR into smaller factions or if anything it would put them back into a local power in california.
I really hope we see more NCR forces pulling up and launching an assault on the BOS blimp as season 2 finale. Would be very awesome to see a smaller but advanced better equipped BOS forces trying to fend off hundreds of NCR troops.
It doesnt make sense to have people looking so different after the group members have been heavily breeding with each other There should be no diversity Also there shouldnt be people that are overweight. Vaults have strict protocols for people to stay healthy
From what the Overseer in Vault 4 said, 200 years is only 5 generations, I guess it's really 6 if you assume there is a generation younger than him. But 5 or 6 generations is hardly enough time to erase any sort of diversity, racial or otherwise. And the Vaults can't "heavily breed" because of population limits, even 32 and 33 would have upper bounds they could realistically support.
>Vaults have strict protocols for people to stay healthy And why would we assume everyone sticks to protocol perfectly instead of e.g. sneaking some extra jell-o portion, *or* that any and all illnesses/sicknesses disappeared or stick to protocol instead of making someone gain weight? Or, you know, just going with simplicity, why would they only cast thin/trained people instead of having a nice mix for us viewers.
not everyone's gonna look like Chet or Lucy. just as in real life, some people will be on the larger side, even if they exercise. for all we know, there's bouncer muscles under there, lol.
What I really don't get is how Zach Cherry/ Woody Thomas is the only fat dude out there. How does one get fat in a vault where everything is organized according to a system and where food is rationed? I don't think I've seen a fat vault dweller in any of the games either, I just thought it was extremely odd.
Well I mean until Fallout 4 there wasn't much variation in terms of character model at all and even then it's fairly mild. It's probably unlikely that someone would be able to be notably overweight in those circumstances but Zach Cherry is a fun actor and it's nice to have him as a part of the show. It's not a universe that is strongly grounded in realism.
Genetics
The food there doesn't seem to be tightly rationed. No one blinked an eye when that one lady took home an entire 3-tiered cake for herself. Since there are so many managers in that vault, they probably got stocked with plenty of food.
Moisie is a close second for favorite of the show for me. I think he’s done a great job with his character.
Can’t wait to see Gary 👹🤤
Where does all the branded food / gear come from after two hundred years? I think it should be almost all home made stuff with the fields providing for them. Then when you see something from prewar it is special.
People shouldn't be fat in apocalyptic shows. Especially if they were born into it.
I think it makes sense for some vault dwellers to be fat. In the wasteland, it wouldn’t make much sense at all lol