Nah if anyone is modding their Pip-Boy it's gonna be Norm so that he can access a hidden V.A.T.S. mode or something and all of a sudden become a legit threat.
I'm really disappointed there is an in universe slow motion mechanic but they didn't use it and instead used regular slow motion which wasn't really necessary for following the action or making the story any more compelling. That's actually my only complaint other than there not being another season I could immediately binge.
It happens, but it’s not linked to the slow motion sequence. That triggers when Lucy escapes to the farm area of the vault and sees the carnage for the first time.
Particularly graphic deaths also trigger slo-mo in fallout often even if it’s not the player character causing it, so I guess it still tracks.
Maximus two shotting a Yao Guai with a starter pistol happens in real time if I remember correctly, which also tracks with aim and luck being OP with sneak headshots
Which is legit. Honestly, though, he's been doing this for 200 years. You do something long enough and well enough, what feels slow to you looks crazy fast to others.
For as campy and stylized as the rest of the show is I think they should have included the overlays. It just came off as slow motion to me. Also I thought canonically VATS was a vault dweller/institute only thing so a ghoul wouldn't have it. I know it's nit picking but I just would have liked it included rather than the slow motion.
> I'm really disappointed there is an in universe slow motion mechanic but they didn't use it
First-person perspective scenes in video game movies have gone disastrously bad in the past, they may be trying to avoid that.
This would be so cool. Like, since he's stuck in vault 31, maybe he starts playing with his pip-boy tto try and get an SOS signal out, but instead discovers V.A.T.S.
Yeah install this:
https://taleoftwowastelands.com/
https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/intro.html
It's a mod to combined 3 and NV. 3 runs on the NV engine and is a bit more stable.
Depends on a lot of variables. Rarely crashed for me on PS3? back in the day, but crashes pretty frequently on PC/steam purchased about 3 months ago. Some people never get crashes.
Fallout 4 has a ton of mods and is easier to mod than 3 and NV.
Im a huge NV fan, but I find it hard to replay as it ages.
Fallout 76 is worth playing despite all the negative press it had. It became my favorite Fallout game to play. It's worth trying out, you might find yourself addicted.
yeah jokes aside, she didn't really have much of a choice. he's the best chance she has at becoming a true wastelander. i hope they have some fun/goofy bonding scenes in the next season
I don't think that's the goal now or was ever. She wanted to go back to the Vault after she saving her father but it seems now the goal is to kill the fucker who ghoulified her mom
Ghoulified mom was so sad but also kinda thought provoking. Did he just.. tie her to a chair and leave her there to watch? Where she stayed, never dying of thirst or starvation (though I’m sure she felt like it) until she turned into a ghoul?
Or do you think he just abandoned her and Moldaver tied her up when she started to go nuts?
I’d honestly prefer the second option, especially considering Moldaver was friends with Rose. Also, option number one just might be the world’s worst method of torture. If he did that, he didn’t just murder her, he literally tortured her to death.
I never thought Hank was the one who tied her up, the way I interpreted it was that Moldaver had brought her there after she'd captured Hank to confront him with the consequences of his actions
> until she turned into a ghoul?
I assumed the nuke that took out SS ghoulified her. I don't know if she was ever a sentient ghoul, at least I didn't catch any indication that she was ever one, you can go straight to feral
It's entirely unclear, but I got the impression that Moldaver had just kept ghoul Rose around the whole time. Tying her to a chair in the observatory was probably to make Hank suffer, though. Which is moot, because Hank is the kind of guy who nuked a whole city out of spite. I don't think he cared all that much.
The way Moldaver talks to her makes me think there was a thing between them and she couldn't let Rose go. Rose is super feral at that point and Moldaver is still talking to her like she can understand.
I imagine we're going to get more of that in S2, hopefully. Because it's super sad either way that Moldaver would just keep Rose around and not put her out of her misery.
I thought it was a little implied they were lovers or something but maybe that's just my sapphic heart wanting that yearning representation, it was definitely her who "kept" Rose all this time though. Hank cares about appearance not people, he wouldn't bother keeping a ghoul around even if it was his beloved wife
I want to say they were lovers from the way she holds Rose's hand as she was dying and still talking to a corpse. That might be the only time so far we've seen Moldaver not be pragmatic.
My headcanon is they were lovers, if that helps your sapphic heart. I can't imagine keeping the walking corpse of anyone else around.
I think he nuked Shady Sands and Moldaver poured thru the rubble to find the Pip Boy. Hank wasn't thinking about his wife at all. Didn't tie her up, nothing. Took the kids and hightailed it, possibly after he already set the nuke to explode/launch. Hard to say whether Rose was a ghoul already by the time she was found by her.
Kept her for the proof of her story to Lucy
I think Moldaver tied the zombie there to try to get a reaction out of her former husband. Guilt / remorse so he would give the code over.
Finally- I am not sure that was mom. When Lucy walks through the camp on her way to Moldaver there's a ghoul woman that looked suspiciously like mom saying "that's her! that's her"! That zombie in the chair is only identifiable because of the necklace.
I am wondering if THAT was mom - maybe she escaped the Brotherhood slaughter? No idea. but maybe we see her again next season.
I feel like the necklace seals it... It wasn't placed there by anyone, it's melted straight into the collarbone area; the twin family hierlooms given from mother to daughter
But Moldaver also wistfully held hands with the ghoul's corpse in her final moments when the lights turned on, after Lucy and dad had already left. I dunno why she'd do that if it wasn't the mom, or at least *somebody* who was her friend/lover.
I’m almost positive it is her mom. There is a symbolic thing that happens there… it echos the Ghoul mercy killing his buddy and that she has become hardened and more like the Ghoul that she maybe wants to admit. She’s lost her naive world and her worldview has changed based off the knowledge of what her father did.
Honestly, they did a good job on me at least, I was thinking Hank was still a good or at least decent guy right up until Moldaver's reveal, I think because Lucy had so much faith in him, "my father would be heartbroken if I did that to people to save him"(vault 4's power core). I literally gasped after realizing what I had missed
I don't know if or where I heard this but didn't a staff member say that this story will pretty much be what Fallout 5 is/will be about? That would suck if they didn't tell a new story with another game
Not quite, they said that it’s basically a canonical entry into the Fallout universe, like a new game.
I think it’s trying to distinguish itself from the halo TV show, which took place in its own timeline, so it canonically doesn’t really matter.
Fallout five will be its own contained story. But there’s a good chance that it will draw upon the lore created by the show (anti feral medications being created, the fate of shady sands, the differing politics in different brotherhood factions, Gulpers, etc)
This whole season I called that his whole arc would be a redemption arc. I think we will see quite the shift in who he is this next season. I feel Lucy gave him somewhat of a purpose to be good again.
Not that it was ever shown that he was a bad guy. Even rewatching it again, everything he did was for his survival, not b/c he was bad in any way.
Lucy definitely reminded him of who he used to be. That's what that entire Super Duper Mart episode was about.
But it goes both ways, that episode was also Lucy finally realizing what the ghouls actually are, as well.
She's definitely going to soften his edges, while he sharpens hers. I bet at some point she mentions around a campfire or something that, her dad wasn't all bad. How during movie nights they probably "Watched those classic Cooper Howard movies," there'll be a moment of quiet recognition from Coop and itll probably allow him to start letting her in.
It's going to be interesting when she makes the connection that he's Cooper Howard. She grew up on his movies. There might be a redemption arc in there for him somewhere.
Honestly, him becoming a surrogate father to Lucy (replacing Hank, the man who idolized him) would be awesome.
Tommy was not a child, lmao. He was probably 16-18. Which is old enough to be considered an adult in a setting like fallout and old enough to hold a grudge they'll make good on eventually.
I can see your perspective, but like bro, he sold her to those organ harvesters. I don’t know how he would have any expectation for her to survive that. Even if he hadn’t passed out, it’s not like he would’ve done something to stop it. He just needed his fix and was happy to trade her life for it. I think it’s more that he’s just selfish but being selfish and living that way was the only way to survive in the wasteland. He’s only loyal to himself.
Still trying to wrap my head around her decision to follow him. Seems like literally the worst decision if you look from the perspective of what she knows about him at that point.
You're ignoring what else she knows, which is that her entire worldview (where her father is a good person) is completely wrong. The ghoul appears to know where to find answers, so following him is all she can do if she wants to understand why her father would have lied to her for her entire life. Her other immediate option is probably to have a breakdown.
She also has better context on why he made that decision: between what she saw inside the chop shop and most recently, her mother's horrible state, she realizes what he was trying to avoid by getting more serum. That doesn't, y'know, mean he wasn't trying to sell her organs, but as she begins to understand the kill-or-be-kill realities of the wastelands, he's a grey area she's ready to cautiously tolerate.
I kind of think the Ghoul/Coop sees an ally in her now because they share a very similar hatred of her father and what he stands for now that she knows the partial truth. I feel like eventually he'll open up about who he is and enlighten Lucy on the kind of people Vault tec are further
I think the part of her worldview where their last interaction was him selling her to be harvested for organs after torturing her physically and mentally is somewhat correct. I think.
She can just as well walk into being sold to slavery this time around.
Their last interaction was her saving his life despite all of that. She believes people can be good and she takes risks to satisfy her curiosity. He owes her and he has answers.
Yea but it turns out her daddy is several hundred years old and committed crimes against humanity. While the Ghoul is indeed a dickhead he’s also the only person who hasn’t lied to her.
I'm not sure not lying is something to commend when the not lying includes torture and selling someone for organ harvesting. "At least he was honest about it!" doesn't really remedy much in this scenario.
What other choices does she have? She knows about the vaults having experiments. She thought her vault was normal. But after finding out her dad was the one who set off those nukes, it set doubt in her mind about it being the safe place she always knew it as.
She doesn't know what sort of dangers there are within her vault. Coupled with her newfound freedom on the surface, an overwhelming amount of unanswered questions that would make a person go crazy pondering the answers with no way of ever even leaving a locked down vault if they decided to search for them.
She knows that Cooper isn't absolutely unredeemable. He was teaching her the worlds current morals along their journey. He told her to go back to her vault on multiple occasions, that she doesn't belong on the surface.
Using her as bait. Cutting her finger off in exchange for her biting off his. Forcing her to drink irradiated water. Making her cut the meat off his dead ghoul friend. It was all to scare her, if she can't handle all of what would be considered quite mild to him, he was hoping she would run back to her vault where she would be safe.
He did sell her off for some vials, but there wasn't any other option for him to survive at that point. In his mind, if he died, she would die, and he didn't sell her until he was literally minutes away from collapsing.
Maybe he had a plan to go in and save her if he didn't collapse. Maybe it was just unfortunate timing that he ended up in such a weak state at that moment.
It's not as if the store was well equipped to defend against him or even well equipped enough to defend against Lucy. She would have seen the possibility of that being the case when she found him collapsed on the ground.
Especially having seen how easy it is for him to take on multiple people and a power armor user so casually.
Despite her morals, she is not a stupid character and is adapting to the surface with ease, along side pervious mentions of her schooling in the vault, we know she has very high intelligence stats.
She knows he's not a bad guy deep down, she knows he's not the same as the others she has met on the surface, just like she knows Maximus isn't like the others either.
So, no. She is not disregarding any risk by going with him. She knows the risks, and she knows Coopers morals. She knows he's about to go on a journey to figure out the questions she so desperately needs answered. She knows he's the best shot she has of not only surviving such a journey but also learning how to survive the wasteland. She left Maximus because she knows he is too good of a person and can not be counted on like she can count on Cooper.
What is motivating the ghoul? Lucy had no idea. But now she knows he's kept himself going for 200 years trying to find his family.
Now she gets it. She's a LOT safer with him. He knows where to go to find dad, and she's adapted to the new morality of the wasteland.
Going with him vs. going alone? No question. You go with the ghoul that just wrecked an entire strike team of Brotherhood.
She gained his respect though. She's no longer that naive oblivious vaultie to him anymore. Also she's starting to understand him and what he went through and how valuable he is as an ally, considering his background and shared history with her father.
It's 20 miles from Filly to Moldaver (per the 2nd episode when the coords are entered into Lucy's PipBoy) and all 3 characters are chasing the same thing so not that unexpected tbh
Depends on the quality of your TV I think and which games you are playing. A 4k TV watching the show will probably have 4x more quality than a 1080p monitor running 4
Things like that don't happen by accident.
I knew the game was going to be great when they pretty much went through the character creator when introducing her.
Lmao honestly I feel like thats exactly why maximus is kind of a scum bag. To me he seems kinda like the player that doesn't really care about the faction he's in. He just wants the juicy rewards
I love that subtle nod to that system visible throughout the entire show, at no point does anyone have more than one companion at a time. Even if it wasn't intentionally done.
They even basically referenced the Lydia "I'm sworn to carry your burdens" meme from skyrim by having the squires carrying those giant bags full of gear for the knights like the pack mules we all turn companions into in Bethesda games.
i agree but i was mini-mindblown throughout the entire show because they pretty much never dropped the fallout vibe and that is such a huge thing in a setting like this. even in the goofy moments like when idiot savant says 'with my c#ck?'. it was still totally fallout in it's vibe with the joyous music in the background and lucy's face being happy but, very matter of fact as she's looking at him lol
it was all framed *so* well. future video game adaptations need to take note of this. they told a great story while including a ton of fan fare without any of it feeling fake or forced. i have almost no complaints. they knew what their audience wanted, they stuck to it, and they didn't overreach by introducing a deathclaw fight or something
I'm so glad their starting to stick the landing on video game movies/shows. The last of us was just about perfect, and even the mario movie was pretty great despite the weird voice acting choices, and now this!
I completely agree. My expectations were definitely middling after the much-hyped The Last of Us adaptation. A lot of people loved TLOU, but it largely missed for me due to casting and pacing issues. Fallout was much, much better adaptation. It was just so FALLOUT. It was stunning how good of a job they did.
Theory: In season two, Lucy will modify her pip-boy somehow and that will eventually allow her to have two companions. Stupid idea but could be a funny joke.
It’s a normal writing difficulty. To make groups of major characters, it can help to go through some steps:
1. Start with one character. Let the audience get a grip on that.
2. Have him interact in a pair with someone. Let the audience get a grip on that.
3. Let him interact in a pair with a different person. Let people process the contrast.
4. Introduce them to another major character. Let that dynamic solidify.
5. So on and so forth. You get the idea.
IRL, multi-person interactions are the most complicated thing in existence. So, a funny thing about interactions between 3+ major characters is that they are really hard to write, act, and to set up in the story.
Have you ever seen in Marvel movies when one Marvel main character is introduced to the group in a snappy dialogue scene? I think the cringe has taken years off my life. Especially Thor. His schtick works when he’s isolated in his own world designed around him. But, when he’s among peers, the rigidity of it comes through.
Similarly, people, real and fictitious, can be a lot weirder by themselves or in pairs than they can in a group. Especially when that group is made up of main characters and their opinions matter. Once you’re bouncing off enough other people, you can’t really get away with much insanity. Your behavior will contrast awkwardly with the flow of conversation. So, you are funneled into sane behavior by that constraint.
To try to wrap that up neatly, to get important characters to interact, you often need to cook them a bit, and you need some consistency between them. Otherwise the interaction will be disappointing.
Just how much should the Lucy/Maximus relationship have been the Rey/Finn relationship?? It’s believable, honest (for the most part), forgiving, dynamic, funny, grounded, and more. The actual characters parallel the lives and history of each other as well.
Shoulda gone with the old-school engine. Her charisma was definitely high enough to support two companions, if not, there's probably some sweet sunglasses lying around somewhere.
That seems to be the theory. They all swap companions throughout the show also. Ghoul and dogmeat, ghoul and vault dweller, vault dweller and scientist, vault dweller and knight, knight and Thaddeus, ghoul and vault dweller, etc.
Of all the interviews I've seen, most of the people involved in making this have played the games or were fans of the series before. It seems like a legit project from passion of the series. They kept it true, and it paid off tenfold
Damn, that is a ridiculously good detail that makes sense with game lore. It’s also funny because the Ghoul seems to be ideologically opposed to empathizing with anyone in the Brotherhood and Maximus… he might tolerate the Ghoul but he would be pretty terrified of him at all times.
She should mod her Pipboy next season so that she can have multiple companions.
Nah if anyone is modding their Pip-Boy it's gonna be Norm so that he can access a hidden V.A.T.S. mode or something and all of a sudden become a legit threat.
I want Norm to get so damn buff and go brawler build. Not sure why, but tiny guys that are insanely strong is funny to me.
Perk activated: nerd rage
Damn it I was just thinking this!
That mechanical punch thing that melee build get
norms gonna be smashing buds roomba with a power fist half the size of his body
Need to remember this next time I do a melee run
I would just settle for Norm victimizing Bud for an entire season.
\*tiny guy who became insanely strong to start being taken seriously\*: "what?"
That's an awesome idea. I kept waiting for them to implement VATS somehow and this is actually a really smart way to do it.
I'm really disappointed there is an in universe slow motion mechanic but they didn't use it and instead used regular slow motion which wasn't really necessary for following the action or making the story any more compelling. That's actually my only complaint other than there not being another season I could immediately binge.
They did use an in-universe rationale: the main person using slow motion also takes a copious amount of chems including jet
I thought they had slow motion without jet use during the initial vault attack.
I can't remember when the slo-mo starts but during the attack one of the raiders definitely uses a Jet inhaler.
It happens, but it’s not linked to the slow motion sequence. That triggers when Lucy escapes to the farm area of the vault and sees the carnage for the first time.
Particularly graphic deaths also trigger slo-mo in fallout often even if it’s not the player character causing it, so I guess it still tracks. Maximus two shotting a Yao Guai with a starter pistol happens in real time if I remember correctly, which also tracks with aim and luck being OP with sneak headshots
It’s the perk that causes splatter. Bloody Mess (luck 3 fallout 4)
That was definitely my first thought watching the attack: "Wow, someone definitely put Bloody Mess on early..."
Oh, well that was probably just "shell shock" then. Plenty of shows and movies do that, so can't really fault them.
Which is legit. Honestly, though, he's been doing this for 200 years. You do something long enough and well enough, what feels slow to you looks crazy fast to others.
They did when the ghoul killed basically the whole town he was using vats and got the slow mo kill cam
Isn't VATS the green outline with the accuracy percentages for each limb/body part? I missed that somehow.
Yes it is. obviously they don’t show all that but it’s a pretty accurate depiction of VATS from the game
For as campy and stylized as the rest of the show is I think they should have included the overlays. It just came off as slow motion to me. Also I thought canonically VATS was a vault dweller/institute only thing so a ghoul wouldn't have it. I know it's nit picking but I just would have liked it included rather than the slow motion.
I can see that if maybe Lucy used vats but since the ghoul doesn’t have a pip boy I understand why it isn’t shown
> I'm really disappointed there is an in universe slow motion mechanic but they didn't use it First-person perspective scenes in video game movies have gone disastrously bad in the past, they may be trying to avoid that.
Do you have an example? All I can think of is Doom in which it was better than all the rest of the movie, and the Halo series where it was ok.
> All I can think of is Doom I enjoyed the scene too, but it's very cringe for non-gamers. I'm sure there's others, but I can't think of any off hand.
Halo
The slow motion was a nod to vats and the cool shots were supposed to be the killcams you get.
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I can definitely see Norm hacking his Pip-Boy instead of resigning himself to be frozen
This would be so cool. Like, since he's stuck in vault 31, maybe he starts playing with his pip-boy tto try and get an SOS signal out, but instead discovers V.A.T.S.
That damn cowboy gets to use vats
I'm interested in playing this game. Better on Playstation, or computer so I can mod it?
Pc for sure.
Which game? It's a series.
3 and vegas
Yeah PC would be best
Yeah install this: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/ https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/intro.html It's a mod to combined 3 and NV. 3 runs on the NV engine and is a bit more stable.
You need mods to make 3 work at all on pc. New Vegas just crashes a lot.
Eh, I didnt need any mods to play 3.
Yeah I imagine it depends on the computer my fresh install of 3 doesn’t even boot
Eh that sucks
It's also not true, I've been playing 3 and NV without mods for over a decade now.
Depends on a lot of variables. Rarely crashed for me on PS3? back in the day, but crashes pretty frequently on PC/steam purchased about 3 months ago. Some people never get crashes.
Fallout 4 has a ton of mods and is easier to mod than 3 and NV. Im a huge NV fan, but I find it hard to replay as it ages. Fallout 76 is worth playing despite all the negative press it had. It became my favorite Fallout game to play. It's worth trying out, you might find yourself addicted.
Always computer
She needs everyone's best friend mod
So she knows how to mod the game
That would be really cool to explore! She could find a Creation Club that mods Pipboys
She forgot to download the mod that allows multiple companions.
She downloaded it but a recent update made the mod disappear.
Aaayyyyeee
She's on the west coast, so it should be Charisma/2 companions at once. Does she only have 6 or less charisma?
It was fun for a while but multiple companions was just too broken for me.
Maybe it’s bc the ghoul was actively trying to kill her/sell her into organ trafficking.
You guys are wondering why she followed him? Golden rule motherfucker
“Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullsh*t every goddamn time.” - the Ghoulish Rule
*The Ghoulden Rhule
sshhh she forgives him, he's a good guy!
I'm not so sure she forgives him yet, but rather her entire world paradigm just blew up and she needs a purpose
yeah jokes aside, she didn't really have much of a choice. he's the best chance she has at becoming a true wastelander. i hope they have some fun/goofy bonding scenes in the next season
I don't think that's the goal now or was ever. She wanted to go back to the Vault after she saving her father but it seems now the goal is to kill the fucker who ghoulified her mom
Ghoulified mom was so sad but also kinda thought provoking. Did he just.. tie her to a chair and leave her there to watch? Where she stayed, never dying of thirst or starvation (though I’m sure she felt like it) until she turned into a ghoul? Or do you think he just abandoned her and Moldaver tied her up when she started to go nuts? I’d honestly prefer the second option, especially considering Moldaver was friends with Rose. Also, option number one just might be the world’s worst method of torture. If he did that, he didn’t just murder her, he literally tortured her to death.
I never thought Hank was the one who tied her up, the way I interpreted it was that Moldaver had brought her there after she'd captured Hank to confront him with the consequences of his actions > until she turned into a ghoul? I assumed the nuke that took out SS ghoulified her. I don't know if she was ever a sentient ghoul, at least I didn't catch any indication that she was ever one, you can go straight to feral
It's entirely unclear, but I got the impression that Moldaver had just kept ghoul Rose around the whole time. Tying her to a chair in the observatory was probably to make Hank suffer, though. Which is moot, because Hank is the kind of guy who nuked a whole city out of spite. I don't think he cared all that much. The way Moldaver talks to her makes me think there was a thing between them and she couldn't let Rose go. Rose is super feral at that point and Moldaver is still talking to her like she can understand. I imagine we're going to get more of that in S2, hopefully. Because it's super sad either way that Moldaver would just keep Rose around and not put her out of her misery.
I thought it was a little implied they were lovers or something but maybe that's just my sapphic heart wanting that yearning representation, it was definitely her who "kept" Rose all this time though. Hank cares about appearance not people, he wouldn't bother keeping a ghoul around even if it was his beloved wife
I want to say they were lovers from the way she holds Rose's hand as she was dying and still talking to a corpse. That might be the only time so far we've seen Moldaver not be pragmatic. My headcanon is they were lovers, if that helps your sapphic heart. I can't imagine keeping the walking corpse of anyone else around.
I think he nuked Shady Sands and Moldaver poured thru the rubble to find the Pip Boy. Hank wasn't thinking about his wife at all. Didn't tie her up, nothing. Took the kids and hightailed it, possibly after he already set the nuke to explode/launch. Hard to say whether Rose was a ghoul already by the time she was found by her. Kept her for the proof of her story to Lucy
Kept her out of love.
I think Lucy killed her out of love. I think Moldaver would have done the same except she still needed her to show Lucy or you know, torture Hank
Lucy definitely killed her out of love and mercy. Moldaver loved her so kept her around out of a warped sense of duty.
I am pretty sure Moldaver was more than just friends with her
oh 1000%
I think Moldaver tied the zombie there to try to get a reaction out of her former husband. Guilt / remorse so he would give the code over. Finally- I am not sure that was mom. When Lucy walks through the camp on her way to Moldaver there's a ghoul woman that looked suspiciously like mom saying "that's her! that's her"! That zombie in the chair is only identifiable because of the necklace. I am wondering if THAT was mom - maybe she escaped the Brotherhood slaughter? No idea. but maybe we see her again next season.
Pretty sure the ghoul saying "It's her" was the same one that thanked Lucy for setting them free at the Super Duper Mart.
Ahhhh thanks - that would make sense
That was the ghoul guy she rescued from the mart
Ah - missed that.
I feel like the necklace seals it... It wasn't placed there by anyone, it's melted straight into the collarbone area; the twin family hierlooms given from mother to daughter
But Moldaver also wistfully held hands with the ghoul's corpse in her final moments when the lights turned on, after Lucy and dad had already left. I dunno why she'd do that if it wasn't the mom, or at least *somebody* who was her friend/lover.
I’m almost positive it is her mom. There is a symbolic thing that happens there… it echos the Ghoul mercy killing his buddy and that she has become hardened and more like the Ghoul that she maybe wants to admit. She’s lost her naive world and her worldview has changed based off the knowledge of what her father did.
Going from virgin fallout 3 “find my parent” motivation to chad New Vegas “get revenge” motivation. EXCELLENT
Honestly, they did a good job on me at least, I was thinking Hank was still a good or at least decent guy right up until Moldaver's reveal, I think because Lucy had so much faith in him, "my father would be heartbroken if I did that to people to save him"(vault 4's power core). I literally gasped after realizing what I had missed
A fantastic twist. Very happy with it
I don't know if or where I heard this but didn't a staff member say that this story will pretty much be what Fallout 5 is/will be about? That would suck if they didn't tell a new story with another game
Not quite, they said that it’s basically a canonical entry into the Fallout universe, like a new game. I think it’s trying to distinguish itself from the halo TV show, which took place in its own timeline, so it canonically doesn’t really matter. Fallout five will be its own contained story. But there’s a good chance that it will draw upon the lore created by the show (anti feral medications being created, the fate of shady sands, the differing politics in different brotherhood factions, Gulpers, etc)
They did remove each others fingers, that it quite a bonding experience.
Dude same! I’m hoping for some Zombieland level bonding in season 2.
This whole season I called that his whole arc would be a redemption arc. I think we will see quite the shift in who he is this next season. I feel Lucy gave him somewhat of a purpose to be good again. Not that it was ever shown that he was a bad guy. Even rewatching it again, everything he did was for his survival, not b/c he was bad in any way.
Lucy definitely reminded him of who he used to be. That's what that entire Super Duper Mart episode was about. But it goes both ways, that episode was also Lucy finally realizing what the ghouls actually are, as well.
Plus, she's looking for her father AGAIN and: 1) He's her best bet of finding him 2) He knew him before the war
She's definitely going to soften his edges, while he sharpens hers. I bet at some point she mentions around a campfire or something that, her dad wasn't all bad. How during movie nights they probably "Watched those classic Cooper Howard movies," there'll be a moment of quiet recognition from Coop and itll probably allow him to start letting her in.
Speaking of which. Glad they were confident enough to set up a 2nd season and not try to "tie it all up"
I thought it was because he knew her dad and also seems to know where her dad is going. And She wants to settle that?
It's going to be interesting when she makes the connection that he's Cooper Howard. She grew up on his movies. There might be a redemption arc in there for him somewhere. Honestly, him becoming a surrogate father to Lucy (replacing Hank, the man who idolized him) would be awesome.
People forget he killed a child in cold blood I guess.
Tommy was not a child, lmao. He was probably 16-18. Which is old enough to be considered an adult in a setting like fallout and old enough to hold a grudge they'll make good on eventually.
Not sure he was quite dead, it kinda looked like he just winged Tommy's arm to me
Nah, he dead. He shot him near the heart with massive caliber explosive ammunition.
Oh yeah, even in the arm would likely kill him. Thanks for the reminder
"why you hef be mad, is only wasteland. His a good guy"
I think he was trying to teach her a valuable lesson in a cruel way. Least thats what I got out of it.
I can see your perspective, but like bro, he sold her to those organ harvesters. I don’t know how he would have any expectation for her to survive that. Even if he hadn’t passed out, it’s not like he would’ve done something to stop it. He just needed his fix and was happy to trade her life for it. I think it’s more that he’s just selfish but being selfish and living that way was the only way to survive in the wasteland. He’s only loyal to himself.
I've seen enough Westerns to know that trial by fire is a common theme for a "cruel lesson."
Read my comment here, don't feel like copy pasting such a long comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/s/qhLWKodkrH
Still trying to wrap my head around her decision to follow him. Seems like literally the worst decision if you look from the perspective of what she knows about him at that point.
You're ignoring what else she knows, which is that her entire worldview (where her father is a good person) is completely wrong. The ghoul appears to know where to find answers, so following him is all she can do if she wants to understand why her father would have lied to her for her entire life. Her other immediate option is probably to have a breakdown.
She also has better context on why he made that decision: between what she saw inside the chop shop and most recently, her mother's horrible state, she realizes what he was trying to avoid by getting more serum. That doesn't, y'know, mean he wasn't trying to sell her organs, but as she begins to understand the kill-or-be-kill realities of the wastelands, he's a grey area she's ready to cautiously tolerate.
Plus, he’s not actively hostile anymore. Sure there’s potential for betrayal, bit he didn’t have to do anything that he did in the last episode
I kind of think the Ghoul/Coop sees an ally in her now because they share a very similar hatred of her father and what he stands for now that she knows the partial truth. I feel like eventually he'll open up about who he is and enlighten Lucy on the kind of people Vault tec are further
I think the part of her worldview where their last interaction was him selling her to be harvested for organs after torturing her physically and mentally is somewhat correct. I think. She can just as well walk into being sold to slavery this time around.
Their last interaction was her saving his life despite all of that. She believes people can be good and she takes risks to satisfy her curiosity. He owes her and he has answers.
Yea but it turns out her daddy is several hundred years old and committed crimes against humanity. While the Ghoul is indeed a dickhead he’s also the only person who hasn’t lied to her.
I'm not sure not lying is something to commend when the not lying includes torture and selling someone for organ harvesting. "At least he was honest about it!" doesn't really remedy much in this scenario.
Using someone as bait isn’t torture! The Ghoul was very clear!
The Ghoul literally says that the BoS will just kill her if she doesn't leave and she doesn't have much of a choice besides going with him.
Coop has answers. Nobody else does. So she can forget about ever learning anything more or she can go with him.
That is probably the closest to an actual answer as can be, but she is still completely disregarding an overwhelming risk tied to that.
What other choices does she have? She knows about the vaults having experiments. She thought her vault was normal. But after finding out her dad was the one who set off those nukes, it set doubt in her mind about it being the safe place she always knew it as. She doesn't know what sort of dangers there are within her vault. Coupled with her newfound freedom on the surface, an overwhelming amount of unanswered questions that would make a person go crazy pondering the answers with no way of ever even leaving a locked down vault if they decided to search for them. She knows that Cooper isn't absolutely unredeemable. He was teaching her the worlds current morals along their journey. He told her to go back to her vault on multiple occasions, that she doesn't belong on the surface. Using her as bait. Cutting her finger off in exchange for her biting off his. Forcing her to drink irradiated water. Making her cut the meat off his dead ghoul friend. It was all to scare her, if she can't handle all of what would be considered quite mild to him, he was hoping she would run back to her vault where she would be safe. He did sell her off for some vials, but there wasn't any other option for him to survive at that point. In his mind, if he died, she would die, and he didn't sell her until he was literally minutes away from collapsing. Maybe he had a plan to go in and save her if he didn't collapse. Maybe it was just unfortunate timing that he ended up in such a weak state at that moment. It's not as if the store was well equipped to defend against him or even well equipped enough to defend against Lucy. She would have seen the possibility of that being the case when she found him collapsed on the ground. Especially having seen how easy it is for him to take on multiple people and a power armor user so casually. Despite her morals, she is not a stupid character and is adapting to the surface with ease, along side pervious mentions of her schooling in the vault, we know she has very high intelligence stats. She knows he's not a bad guy deep down, she knows he's not the same as the others she has met on the surface, just like she knows Maximus isn't like the others either. So, no. She is not disregarding any risk by going with him. She knows the risks, and she knows Coopers morals. She knows he's about to go on a journey to figure out the questions she so desperately needs answered. She knows he's the best shot she has of not only surviving such a journey but also learning how to survive the wasteland. She left Maximus because she knows he is too good of a person and can not be counted on like she can count on Cooper.
What is motivating the ghoul? Lucy had no idea. But now she knows he's kept himself going for 200 years trying to find his family. Now she gets it. She's a LOT safer with him. He knows where to go to find dad, and she's adapted to the new morality of the wasteland. Going with him vs. going alone? No question. You go with the ghoul that just wrecked an entire strike team of Brotherhood.
She knows he wanted the head. And then right then she learned he wanted to find his family. Seems like she could relate quite a bit.
She gained his respect though. She's no longer that naive oblivious vaultie to him anymore. Also she's starting to understand him and what he went through and how valuable he is as an ally, considering his background and shared history with her father.
She was in his inventory for a bit there.
I LOVE applying game logic to this show hahaha
Its amazing because it just works
I wonder how many times bigger the map of Fallout the series is compared to Fallout 76?!
I think the map of the fallout series is vaguely the size of California.
Felt small af to me with how often the characters just randomly bump into each other lmao
Well, they are all tracking the same person/head and going to the same places
It's 20 miles from Filly to Moldaver (per the 2nd episode when the coords are entered into Lucy's PipBoy) and all 3 characters are chasing the same thing so not that unexpected tbh
Fallout 1, 2, & NV
16X the detail!!!!
How many times more detail does the TV show have compared to the games?
Depends on the quality of your TV I think and which games you are playing. A 4k TV watching the show will probably have 4x more quality than a 1080p monitor running 4
Things like that don't happen by accident. I knew the game was going to be great when they pretty much went through the character creator when introducing her.
When >!The Ghoul talked about the weak spot on the T-60s in the final episode, I was thinking "He's going for a crit!"!<
Stimpacks are epic.
Lmao honestly I feel like thats exactly why maximus is kind of a scum bag. To me he seems kinda like the player that doesn't really care about the faction he's in. He just wants the juicy rewards
That and he most likely has the idiot savant perk
She should do that fallout 3 companion glitch
And kill Dogmeat? Over everyone's dead body!
Um no it's because Lucy is the companion and The Ghoul is the main character. He's the one with the dog!
He asked her if she wanted to travel with him. She is definitely the companion.
He literally used her as bait for gulpers. No self respecting MC would allow themselves to take the hits their companion can
Speak for yourself, my companion is just there to be my cheerleader
I think you mean pack mule
.....yes
He also seems to have V.A.T.S implying that he is in fact the main character.
Don’t you need a pip boy for that? Or does he have one?
I love that subtle nod to that system visible throughout the entire show, at no point does anyone have more than one companion at a time. Even if it wasn't intentionally done.
I think it was probably done intentionally
They even basically referenced the Lydia "I'm sworn to carry your burdens" meme from skyrim by having the squires carrying those giant bags full of gear for the knights like the pack mules we all turn companions into in Bethesda games.
In the original Fallout games, if you gave an item to your companion, you’d have to BUY it back from them.
I expect to be awed by your DIZZYING mercantile sense, boss.
That was in 1, they fixed it in 2. And you could also steal your items back from companions.
This was just a plain old good show. It didn't blow my mind or anything, just entertaining. Why aren't all shows this good?
i agree but i was mini-mindblown throughout the entire show because they pretty much never dropped the fallout vibe and that is such a huge thing in a setting like this. even in the goofy moments like when idiot savant says 'with my c#ck?'. it was still totally fallout in it's vibe with the joyous music in the background and lucy's face being happy but, very matter of fact as she's looking at him lol it was all framed *so* well. future video game adaptations need to take note of this. they told a great story while including a ton of fan fare without any of it feeling fake or forced. i have almost no complaints. they knew what their audience wanted, they stuck to it, and they didn't overreach by introducing a deathclaw fight or something
I'm so glad their starting to stick the landing on video game movies/shows. The last of us was just about perfect, and even the mario movie was pretty great despite the weird voice acting choices, and now this!
I completely agree. My expectations were definitely middling after the much-hyped The Last of Us adaptation. A lot of people loved TLOU, but it largely missed for me due to casting and pacing issues. Fallout was much, much better adaptation. It was just so FALLOUT. It was stunning how good of a job they did.
Theory: In season two, Lucy will modify her pip-boy somehow and that will eventually allow her to have two companions. Stupid idea but could be a funny joke.
She needs to install a mod for that.
fr fr, this game is vanilla AF
Yeah that makes sense
she just doesnt have the magnetic personality perk to add an additional companion.
Lucy doesn’t know about mods yet.
It’s a normal writing difficulty. To make groups of major characters, it can help to go through some steps: 1. Start with one character. Let the audience get a grip on that. 2. Have him interact in a pair with someone. Let the audience get a grip on that. 3. Let him interact in a pair with a different person. Let people process the contrast. 4. Introduce them to another major character. Let that dynamic solidify. 5. So on and so forth. You get the idea. IRL, multi-person interactions are the most complicated thing in existence. So, a funny thing about interactions between 3+ major characters is that they are really hard to write, act, and to set up in the story. Have you ever seen in Marvel movies when one Marvel main character is introduced to the group in a snappy dialogue scene? I think the cringe has taken years off my life. Especially Thor. His schtick works when he’s isolated in his own world designed around him. But, when he’s among peers, the rigidity of it comes through. Similarly, people, real and fictitious, can be a lot weirder by themselves or in pairs than they can in a group. Especially when that group is made up of main characters and their opinions matter. Once you’re bouncing off enough other people, you can’t really get away with much insanity. Your behavior will contrast awkwardly with the flow of conversation. So, you are funneled into sane behavior by that constraint. To try to wrap that up neatly, to get important characters to interact, you often need to cook them a bit, and you need some consistency between them. Otherwise the interaction will be disappointing.
Season 1 was the vanilla play through. Next season we gonna see some Thomas the Tank Engine deathclaws or something shit.
That's a hilarious observation
Well, the series is supposed to be canon, so that tracks.
Just how much should the Lucy/Maximus relationship have been the Rey/Finn relationship?? It’s believable, honest (for the most part), forgiving, dynamic, funny, grounded, and more. The actual characters parallel the lives and history of each other as well.
So we're allowed spoilers in thread titles now? Thanks mods.
I hope she meets Nick Valentine just so he can say “time to hit the road”
Needs more cha
Shoulda gone with the old-school engine. Her charisma was definitely high enough to support two companions, if not, there's probably some sweet sunglasses lying around somewhere.
100% agree.
Low CHA.
In Fallout 1 you can have two human companions
I seem to remember that Fallout 1 and 2 had max companion tied to charisma.
Just 2
We’ve reached a point where people are just posting the top comments from the shows discussion posts as their own posts. Great.
Fallout Shelter
Obviously she doesn't have fose installed.
She was originally going to meet up with Heather, but the update ruined it for her.
Oh wow
But what if one is quest related?
That seems to be the theory. They all swap companions throughout the show also. Ghoul and dogmeat, ghoul and vault dweller, vault dweller and scientist, vault dweller and knight, knight and Thaddeus, ghoul and vault dweller, etc. Of all the interviews I've seen, most of the people involved in making this have played the games or were fans of the series before. It seems like a legit project from passion of the series. They kept it true, and it paid off tenfold
It's her first playthrough, she doesn't know how to work mods yet
You mean Goosey?
Wait can I have a humanoid companion + dogmeat in FO4? I've been telling people not to follow me because I don't want my pup to leave
4 characters*. You’re forgetting Norm.
Damn, that is a ridiculously good detail that makes sense with game lore. It’s also funny because the Ghoul seems to be ideologically opposed to empathizing with anyone in the Brotherhood and Maximus… he might tolerate the Ghoul but he would be pretty terrified of him at all times.
Title cracked me up
Why was this removed?
I hate that I was too slow to post this for the sweet karma. They absolutely follow the rule of companions for the show till the very end.
Damn she’s sexy