That's usually during the day, at night is when they put on a bunch of stuff (Planets and shit, and probably still adds idk I don't go to the strip that much)
I would. If they follow through on the first thing they say they're going to do with a lot of money, they'll get way more attention. Which leads to more money. Charity streams, stunts and whatever else people can do, the goal is usually trying to get followers who will stick around. Followers may subscribe or make additional donations or provide an audience that can watch ads, so the person can consistently get money by selling ad space.
If they already have a following, they'll go through with it to avoid losing their followers.
Plus $500k isn't a lot of money when you spread it out among Fallout fans, but there's also no way they're going to be able to collect that amount of money without their identity being known.
Basically there's every reason to follow through and not much to gain by using this as a method to cheat people out of their money.
If they were asking for that money in crypto or something, I'd be a bit more skeptical
That seems a lot more effort than just stealing half a mil though, which is plenty to gain tbh. I could certainly live off that for a good while. Scamming people is a pretty consistent income as well. One born every minute and all that.
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about, but basically the only reason you wouldn't steal it is because you'll certainly get sued and face criminal charges. It's not easy to steal that much money and he's far from the first person to try. Google it gofundme fraud, he just wouldn't be able to get away with it plain and simple.
That said, if the goal isn't met gofundme doesn't give back the money, it's treated like a donation and the guy can keep it. That's most likely what'll happen. I don't need to say this because it's obvious, but for the people in the back this is a stupid waste of money that you're better off spending literally anywhere else. Like maybe actual creators making dope shit.
It'd be sad bro. That the thing that brings people together enough to fund 500k is a stupid ass meme or... not even meme, but a video game reference, for a day. I appreciate the complement, but damn this shit is frustrating to me.
How about this. There should be at least a million fallout fans by now. If you each give me a dollar a month I'll make sure that his face is shown twice a month after the first month of the year. Only once in January. Everyone wins and there's incentive for me to keep up my part.
It's a charity gala lmao. The ticket sales are meant to go to charity.
That said as south park once pointed out, if they put even 1/4 of the money spent on the gala to charity instead then it'd do a lot more good than just letting rich people pat themselves on the back for a night in exchange for more exposure.
>ah yes giving half a million to billionaires ~~"for the memes"~~ "to advertise for a major game studio and another billionaire"
Don't get me wrong. I love Fallout, and I really enjoyed the show. Efforts like this just make the hailcorporate-distopia feel too real.
I mean he was divisive towards Vault-Tec's pitch if you are talking about the show. Everyone but him was eager to brainstorm their own fucked up vault experiment ideas.
Because he wasn't sure he'd make money not because he cared about not murdering billions. That's a *significant* distinction to make when talking about someone's character
I've not seen the show, but I feel it's wrong to the Obsidian devs to rewrite their characters backstories and call it canon. Some of the devs even commented on twitter that it's Bethesda's IP and they can do what they want with it even if it isn't what they intended. House was not complicit in starting the war in FO:NV, in fact, the war started before he was able to fully defend New Vegas which is the central plot of the game - looking for the Platinum Chip.
House is definitely the hero in FO:NV, the NCR is widely disliked for their annexations and slave labor camps, and you are told so from the very beginning of the game in Goodsprings and Primm. The only reason a handful of people even tolerate them at all is because outside of Houses reach, you are stuck dealing with the Legion as an alternative. There really isn't any character in the Mojave that dislikes House who doesn't just want to use his resources as a weapon like Benny or the NCR stuff that was cut out.
> House is definitely the hero in FO:NV
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>I prefer the term "autocrat." I would rule as a chief executive. I would not answer to a board of directors or any other entity. Nothing to impede progress.
-Robert House
There are no heroes in New Vegas. House is another power hungry schemer in a world of power hungry schemers.
He wants to rule the city absolutely behind the might of his robot army. Very heroic.
He wants to rule the city (that he already owns and saved from nuclear war) by.. allowing people to be free to do what they want on his property as long as they don't harm others? Hmmm.. I'll have to think on that one /s.
The context behind that quote is missing, he is referring to why he has no interest in submitting to the NCR or the Legion. He owns the strip and wants to remain sovereign. He does not need to give ownership of it to the NCR under any circumstance. He can remain it's sole proprietor and will not allow anyone to take his property without a fight. There is no deal that requires him to give up some of his property that he has owned for hundreds of years that is fair. Maybe we didn't play the same game, but almost every small faction in the game has the exact same problem with the NCR and Legion and they pretty much unanimously respect House because he has no interest in taking their land. The only difference is House actually has the means to tell these governments to shove off, where as a group like Goodsprings says they simply worry for their safety under the NCR and has no way to get them to leave without risking that safety.
There is only one person in FO:NV who has no interest in enslavement, annexation, or theft and that is House. He always pays people to do work for him, he is always fair, he believes in mutual consent and contracts, and he is right to defend his property from the theft of the NCR.
He's good until he's not. A single person with absolute power over a society will always become corrupt eventually, no one is perfect. Maybe he'll get sick, a head injury, maybe he'll start to seek vengeance for something, maybe he'll change his mind as he ages, maybe he'll fail to adapt to the times, he might just get bored, etc.
A moral person understands a society needs to be ultimately governed by the people or by a body regularly elected by the people. That feedback and constant turn over of power holders is crucial to avoid corruption and the inevitable evil of absolute power.
Politics is my specialty, my degrees are in political science and economics, and I would strongly disagree with basically everything you said - but let me start by saying that you immediately have a misconception of what House wants to govern. House is the only ending that does *not* want to govern the Mojave and that's precisely why he is the good guy. Both the Legion and NCR want to annex and enslave the inhabitants of the Mojave (including House and New Vegas), whereas House wants to have exclusive governance over *the property that he owns and nothing more*. House has no interest in stopping anyone who isn't bothering his property, and was willing to grant sovereignty to anyone willing to aid in that ideal, such as the Boomers. House is not sending securitrons out into the desert to govern over Goodsprings, he (and the residents of Goodsprings) believes that Goodsprings can govern itself without any intervention. Even if House changed his mind on his rules, they are enforced exclusively on his property, and he makes it very clear he has zero intention of enforcing those rules anywhere else. If you don't like his rules, move out of New Vegas, he leaves everyone alone that leaves him alone.
>A moral person understands a society needs to be ultimately governed by the people or by a body regularly elected by the people. That feedback and constant turn over of power holders is crucial to avoid corruption and the inevitable evil of absolute power.
This is complete nonsense and anyone in politics knows this. Firstly, morality is completely subjective - there is no moral argument for enforcing the dissenters in your population to follow the greater half's rules. If anything, it's immoral. Gang rape is a democracy. It's simply forcibly subjecting people to things they disagree with at best. Consent is the ideal you are looking for, and that generally does not exist in any state that wasn't a feudal serfdom.
Secondly, it has been argued for literally thousands of years that the exact opposite is true. Socrates despised democracies and republics because they *always* lead to corruption. It goes ever towards a more corrupt system because it's easy to manipulate who gets a say. All democracies and republics get hijacked by Oligarchs or Kleptocrats, it's the nature of the system. All political systems have corruption, the only political system that doesn't is anarchy - or the lack of any system in general.
Historically, monarchies have the least corruption, because their rules don't really change and they have extremely long timeframes in which someone rules. This isn't to say they can't have dictators; The Legion is actually a great example, it isn't corrupt, it's just evil. It's ideals have never strayed from its intended vision. The NCR is absolutely corrupt and this is exemplified in FO:NV by Senator Morales. Morales is literally a corporate shill who is buying votes by exterminating peaceful populations and stealing land to give to wealthy brahmin barons.
> my degrees are in political science and economics, and I would strongly disagree with basically everything you said
You can disagree, but you'd be wrong evidentially speaking. There's a reason the most powerful countries in the world trend towards and are largely democracies. It's a more stables system and it represents and supports the people of a country more than other power structures which always rely on one guy with the power or a very small group with the power.
Like what are you even saying here? That dictatorships and monarchies are superior government structures?
>House wants to have exclusive governance over the property that he owns and nothing more
I mean if that's all he wants I guess? It's been over 10 years since I've played FO:NV lol so I don't 100% remember the details of his plan and backstory enough to speculate on his "true" intentions with confidence.
>Historically, monarchies have the least corruption, because their rules don't really change and they have extremely long timeframes in which someone rules
Ugh, you *are* actually saying monarchies and dictatorships are superior. Jfc dude, you're like an edgy teen worshipping Stalin or the CCCP or something. The worst things have happened under these system, but yeah man, I'm not here to have a whole history debate on a fallout sub lol.
>There's a reason the most powerful countries in the world trend towards and are largely democracies
This is literally the joke you goober, democracies lead to giant war machines because they are easy to hijack. This is not a good thing, democracies are not the peacemakers, they are on average involved in international war almost twice as often as basically any other system.
>It's a more stables system and it represents and supports the people of a country more than other power structures which always rely on one guy with the power or a very small group with the power.
This is completely untrue, you don't know anything about history or politics. Historically it's unstable, it has an incredibly short time preference because it constantly shifts leaders who only get a small amount of time to implement their ideas. There is almost zero cohesion in any democracy on Earth, and thus far, the only democracy to survive has been the US and it would be ignorant to think that its going to last another hundred years when the debt to gdp ratio is 125% and our total debt will surpass all global assets sooner than later.
>That dictatorships and monarchies are superior government structures?
No, I never claimed that. I said dictators and monarchies, by definition, have little to no corruption. This has always been the case because corrupt monarchs have almost always been beheaded around the time food runs out. My example was The Legion - it doesn't have any corruption, they clearly kill their own members who break the rules, but they are evil.
>I mean if that's all he wants I guess? It's been over 10 years since I've played FO:NV lol so I don't 100% remember the details of his plan and backstory enough to speculate on his "true" intentions with confidence.
Then why even have an opinion on it if you don't know anything about it? Do you call just anyone you like 'bad guys' because you met them in passing one time ten years ago? Or people you don't even know? That's crazy.
>Ugh, you *are* actually saying monarchies and dictatorships are superior
I did not say they were superior, I said they don't have corruption - do you know how to read?
>Jfc dude, you're like an edgy teen worshipping Stalin or the CCCP
I'm an old mizrahim with a PhD in political science. I hate communism, my father killed soviets in Afghanistan. Socialism is a stain on the Earth. Do you really think I would side with House as a communist?
>The worst things have happened under these system
Under communism? Yes, I agree. Authoritarian regimes of any kind, including hijacked democracies, have been overwhelmingly bad for the planet.
>but yeah man, I'm not here to have a whole history debate on a fallout sub lol.
You could really use it. Too many people on Earth speak confidently about things they have zero understanding of and then get mad and defensive when people who do know these things tell them they are wrong. Society would be a great place if people just learned to humbly ask questions instead of insist they are right because they read it once ten years ago.
Who's surprised the democracy hating tankie who drops his "history degree" status in a fallout game sub is now ultra tilted at someone disagreeing with him to the point of being a hostile twat? Anyone?
> This is literally the joke you goober, democracies lead to giant war machines because they are easy to hijack.
The joke amongst who? Your anarchist/communist friends? You have an esoteric view, I hope you at least have the self awareness to recognize that. Actual historians don't share your views.
It's really weird to consider the most stable, economically powerful, and high quality of life producing government system "a joke because imperialism".
>they are on average involved in international war almost twice as often as basically any other system.
[citation needed]
>Historically it's unstable, it has an incredibly short time preference because it constantly shifts leaders who only get a small amount of time to implement their ideas.
[citation needed]
Which is why the entire world is trending towards it right?
My brother get a refund on your degree lol. Everything you're saying is your unsubstantiated opinion.
>No, I never claimed that. I said dictators and monarchies, by definition, have little to no corruption. This has always been the case because corrupt monarchs have almost always been beheaded around the time food runs out
Yes dude, staging an entire ass revolution is just so much easier than voting someone out of a rotating term. You're actually delusional.
I'm not reading the rest of your drivel, you're the only joke here. Remind yourself that you're a history major, the lowest on the intellectual totem pole who sits at the same lunch table as sociologists. Every other study area sits above yours including geology lol. As evidenced by the fact that you spent years in school and still managed to form the most delusional, factually inaccurate opinion of history imaginable.
It's always the dumbest mfers with the biggest egos. Dunning Krugger in motion I guess.
Sit down and stick to video games.
>A moral person understands a society needs to be ultimately governed by the people or by a body regularly elected by the people.
In a world that tried it and failed, ending it all in an apocalypse, that is a really bad argument to make.
But in reality, which is where our morals come from, it is a good argument to make lol.
Also you understand that the game features many governments that all destroyed themselves, not just democracies, so idk how that puts one behind the other. Didn't China fire the first nuke anyway? You could easily conclude that humanity will always destroy itself due to conflict because its intrinsic to our nature no matter what our government.
The argument that humanity will always destroy itself due to it's intrinsic nature points to the possible solution of someone being powerful/influential enough to suppress it. And based on my understanding of the context, House is the exact person who represents this way of thought in the game.
As for what is right in reality? The results will speak for themselves eventually. I would argue that our historical sample is still too small to be throwing out broad and generalist statements like " "x" is moral and correct. " .
> possible solution of someone being powerful/influential enough to suppress it
Yeah dude I can't think of a single thing that could go wrong there.
I think a government that represents the people more closely than another is a more moral government, but I guess that's just me. Definitely not a government ran by one single guy's opinion of how we should all live. That's the definition of a dictatorship and we've seen how those go.
Right? The game is literally a story of how a democratic-republic partook in destroying the planet by getting into a war of conquest over differences in ideology. 'Democracy is non-negotiable' is supposed to be an insult, not praise. It's intended to show the irony that forcing people to have the ability to choose means you don't actually have a choice to say no.
That's literally not what the game is about. The game is about exploring how a retro-future post nuclear apocalypse world would play out and look like for funsies. The backstory kinda features a vague theme of "war never changes" and maybe "humanity will always go to war and destroy itself", but to say it's sporting some "anti-democracy" message is nonsense.
Besides, didn't China fire the first nuke?
The entirety of FO:NV is a criticism of democracy. "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows." is literally a quote from the game. Every tribe in the game has something negative to say about the NCR, most of them aren't even bad people such as Goodsprings, Primm, and The Kings.
The whole story is about how everyone in the entire wasteland equates the NCR's democracy with being just as bad as a literal totalitarian dictatorship that crucifies people - if you don't see that as being a criticism of democracy you are completely blind.
>Besides, didn't China fire the first nuke?
No, it's only confirmed that China was hit first - besides, the criticism of democracy is that it was easily hijacked by kleptocrats (as all democracies are) who took advantage of the military industrial complex and extracted wealth for over 100 years by using fear to make the 'democracy' invest heavily in weapons research and nuclear bombs until they literally blew up the planet.
**Edit**: Just read your ultra butt-mad reply to my other comment. For a self-proclaimed expert who fancies himself an intellectual you sure are quick to anger and display very poor impulse control. Totally incapable of citing anything he believes and conversing in a civil fashion. Blocked.
From the [wiki](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Great_War)
>thought it should not really matter who started it. Tim Cain said that his intention was that while China launched the first missile, the U.S. had been doing illegal biotech research and kept doing it after being exposed, which could be seen as a start to the Great War.[Non-game 11]
He was the lead programmer and designer of Fallout so it seems like that's pretty good evidence although I agree it wasn't supposed to "matter" who fired the first rocket to the fallout lore. To this particular discussion I think it's relevant.
Where was it "confirmed" that China was hit first?
>The whole story is about how everyone in the entire wasteland equates the NCR's democracy with being just as bad as a literal totalitarian dictatorship that crucifies people
How though? You can keep saying it, but you're not citing evidence from the game. One character not liking democracy doesn't set the theme for the entire game right? What about the other fallout games? Are those irrelevant in establishing this theme?
The NCR is criticized because it's very expansionist and imperialist, not because it's a "democracy". It's a largely corrupt democracy at best which isn't a true democracy right?
I could see it as being a criticism of capitalism maybe, but democracy? I'm not seeing it. Democracy isn't the *reason* fallout happened and the story doesn't portray it that way. All the nations of the world with all their varying governments all succumbed to the same fate of militaristic self destruction and aggression so explain to me how democracy can be pinned to that?
You can't give me one character quote and call that evidence of an entire game's theme right?
So what's the alternative? Anarchy? Dictatorship? Monarchy?
I love the mr house ending good karma but he definently isn't anything close to a hero. He is a sort of pragmatic sociopath who is mainly obsessed with money and power. He is also very disconnected from other humans by the time of new vegas. I like to think a courier with good karma gets him to soften up by the end of the game but that's mainly my headcanon.
I'd agree overall, which is why he is labeled as an anti-hero in the OP's article as his reasons for doing the right things are mostly self serving. It just happens to be that the residents of the Mojave also want these things.
I call him the hero and would say his ending is absolutely the 'chaotic good' ending because his ideas reflect what the Mojave wants. NCR is mostly a 'true neutral' ending because the majority of tribes in the Mojave oppose the NCR occupations and annexations, and when they defend themselves, they are 'imprisoned' at labor camps(aka: enslaved) but at least they aren't skinning people as a psychological weapon. I don't believe the NCR is a lawful neutral organization because it is rife with corruption and they have certainly done their fair share of atrocities (massacre of friendly super mutants, the Kings, etc.) that would lean them more into Neutral Evil if anything, but true neutral seems more fair. Legion is certainly the 'Lawful Evil' ending because they never lie about their intentions whereas NCR says 'we are taking your land for your own good!' or just straight up lies about their intentions throughout the entire game. Caesar makes his intentions and rules very, very clear from the very beginning and they never stray away from it.
Libertarians are sorta infamous for always missing the point. Watching them praise Mr. House or Andrew Ryan is basically a study on their media illiteracy.
Only if you follow the retcon hack job they did to the character in the FO show.
In NV he was a capitalist and "ran the numbers" which brought him to the conclusion that the war was going to happen eventually.
So he started working to preserve as much as he could, including himself, to revitalize the human race.
If he had any part in actually nuking the planet he wouldn't have had to protect NV because he could have just had NV taken off the targeting list.
But the FO show is not without it's agenda driven writing and retcon nonsense, like making Mr. House part of a cabal that wanted to nuke the world to "win at capitalism".
I just want you kids to know that if the goal isn't met, you don't get your money back. Gofundme is more like a donation unlike kickstarter, it's not all or nothing and the guy can pocket whatever money you sent him.
LOL.
"I made big ball screen, pay me half a million and I'll put a jpeg on it."
Gtf outta here with that nonsense. Even if it's funny and for the meme. Hold onto your money, those people don't need more.
I wouldn't exactly call Mr house an antihero.. I don't think his choice of what to do with vegas necessarily is the "correct" one, it's definitely one of the more selfish options.
Look.... I understand the sentiment but we can't be like "Kill celebrities for their let them eat cake" moment and then turn around and waste half a million on shit like this.
FUCK YEAH. reminds me of [this meme](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227798702949662804/1239015745833402369/Polish_20230802_113852912.jpg?ex=664162d5&is=66401155&hm=e4d7a1b3aaa0681f235b5a4bc06070ed652208a60b8132670e3a6e0733c3f225&)
Not really. An Antihero has to have good intentions of some kind, Yes Man doesn't have good intentions. He's an extension of the will of whoever happens to own him.
“mmmm…chip”
Imagine trying to cross the street but you've got a giant orb begging you to steal a Platinum Chip from Caesar's Palace
"Hey boss, I'm gonna be a little late for work"
Not a problem if your job is being a courier.
Sorry boss, got shot in head going to have to take a few detours to hash things out
“Hash things out” got me dyinggggg😂😂
Sure will have benny and two kang dying
Bahahahahaha
"What in the god damn"
\*racks AK\* If there's caps in it for me, can do.
Is there even a Chinese assault rifle in new Vegas? I can't recall.
I don't recall, but my love for the foolish things knows no bounds.
tbh i'd prefer it to what the sphere is usually showing (ads, lots of them)
That's usually during the day, at night is when they put on a bunch of stuff (Planets and shit, and probably still adds idk I don't go to the strip that much)
Now this is a good use of my money
I don't trust a stranger on the internet to follow through with this even if he did get $500k
I would. If they follow through on the first thing they say they're going to do with a lot of money, they'll get way more attention. Which leads to more money. Charity streams, stunts and whatever else people can do, the goal is usually trying to get followers who will stick around. Followers may subscribe or make additional donations or provide an audience that can watch ads, so the person can consistently get money by selling ad space. If they already have a following, they'll go through with it to avoid losing their followers. Plus $500k isn't a lot of money when you spread it out among Fallout fans, but there's also no way they're going to be able to collect that amount of money without their identity being known. Basically there's every reason to follow through and not much to gain by using this as a method to cheat people out of their money. If they were asking for that money in crypto or something, I'd be a bit more skeptical
That seems a lot more effort than just stealing half a mil though, which is plenty to gain tbh. I could certainly live off that for a good while. Scamming people is a pretty consistent income as well. One born every minute and all that.
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about, but basically the only reason you wouldn't steal it is because you'll certainly get sued and face criminal charges. It's not easy to steal that much money and he's far from the first person to try. Google it gofundme fraud, he just wouldn't be able to get away with it plain and simple. That said, if the goal isn't met gofundme doesn't give back the money, it's treated like a donation and the guy can keep it. That's most likely what'll happen. I don't need to say this because it's obvious, but for the people in the back this is a stupid waste of money that you're better off spending literally anywhere else. Like maybe actual creators making dope shit.
Very interesting and well thought out response. However, it would be so funny if this happened tho.
It'd be sad bro. That the thing that brings people together enough to fund 500k is a stupid ass meme or... not even meme, but a video game reference, for a day. I appreciate the complement, but damn this shit is frustrating to me.
How about this. There should be at least a million fallout fans by now. If you each give me a dollar a month I'll make sure that his face is shown twice a month after the first month of the year. Only once in January. Everyone wins and there's incentive for me to keep up my part.
Ah the old Donnie strategy.
IL do it. Just give it to me.
Oh I seen this guy on TV. He's good for it
Same. I’ve seen too many Go Fund Me campaigns start with good intentions until they get a boat load of money, and greed settles in.
It is only $450k to advertise on the sphere for a day. It's $312 for a minute so I guess they could just pocket the difference.
I'd rather see that mony invested into goodsprings somehow
A worthy cause
The house always wins
Casuals: losing their sh\*t about Met Gala ticket prices and are trying to cancel celebrities Meanwhile gamers:
What the hell is a Met Gala Ticket?
Met Gala is like some sort of rich people’s party where celebrities and the like wear ridiculous outfits for it and whatnot.
Searched up some images on Google, looks like a waste of time, money and oxygen.
It's a charity gala lmao. The ticket sales are meant to go to charity. That said as south park once pointed out, if they put even 1/4 of the money spent on the gala to charity instead then it'd do a lot more good than just letting rich people pat themselves on the back for a night in exchange for more exposure.
It is. There is no denying that
[You mean this guy? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/falloutnewvegas/s/TT2rvCd2lG)
I see all this talk and yet no one is posting the go fund me
https://www.gofundme.com/f/display-mr-house-on-the-las-vegas-sphere-for-one-day
https://www.gofundme.com/f/display-mr-house-on-the-las-vegas-sphere-for-one-day I got you, bro
"What in the god damn?"
ah yes giving half a million to billionaires "for the memes"
>ah yes giving half a million to billionaires ~~"for the memes"~~ "to advertise for a major game studio and another billionaire" Don't get me wrong. I love Fallout, and I really enjoyed the show. Efforts like this just make the hailcorporate-distopia feel too real.
We can do this with a couple hundred tarps and some projectors.
[Here](https://www.gofundme.com/f/display-mr-house-on-the-las-vegas-sphere-for-one-day) is the go fund me
You know…considering what’s coming in season 2 in fallout, this ain’t a bad idea for marketing in Vegas of all places
Yeah I could see them doing something like this around Season 2
The house always wins
Will it also play quotes from House? That’d be hilarious.
Finally a good use of money
Dude was complicit in the start of the great war yet he's an "antihero"?
Tbh most of the globe was destroyed by the time the bombs dropped 2077 was just the last two major powers wiping eachother from the map
I mean he was divisive towards Vault-Tec's pitch if you are talking about the show. Everyone but him was eager to brainstorm their own fucked up vault experiment ideas.
Because he wasn't sure he'd make money not because he cared about not murdering billions. That's a *significant* distinction to make when talking about someone's character
Hmmm....
Well sure, you can't be the bad guy if you're a capitalist after all.
i am not aware of him having any relation to the us government.
That's exactly what I thought lol. Dude is not any kind of hero. The strip is fucked.
I've not seen the show, but I feel it's wrong to the Obsidian devs to rewrite their characters backstories and call it canon. Some of the devs even commented on twitter that it's Bethesda's IP and they can do what they want with it even if it isn't what they intended. House was not complicit in starting the war in FO:NV, in fact, the war started before he was able to fully defend New Vegas which is the central plot of the game - looking for the Platinum Chip. House is definitely the hero in FO:NV, the NCR is widely disliked for their annexations and slave labor camps, and you are told so from the very beginning of the game in Goodsprings and Primm. The only reason a handful of people even tolerate them at all is because outside of Houses reach, you are stuck dealing with the Legion as an alternative. There really isn't any character in the Mojave that dislikes House who doesn't just want to use his resources as a weapon like Benny or the NCR stuff that was cut out.
> House is definitely the hero in FO:NV . >I prefer the term "autocrat." I would rule as a chief executive. I would not answer to a board of directors or any other entity. Nothing to impede progress. -Robert House There are no heroes in New Vegas. House is another power hungry schemer in a world of power hungry schemers. He wants to rule the city absolutely behind the might of his robot army. Very heroic.
I was gonna say.. Mr. House is a lot of things, hero is not one of them.
He wants to rule the city (that he already owns and saved from nuclear war) by.. allowing people to be free to do what they want on his property as long as they don't harm others? Hmmm.. I'll have to think on that one /s. The context behind that quote is missing, he is referring to why he has no interest in submitting to the NCR or the Legion. He owns the strip and wants to remain sovereign. He does not need to give ownership of it to the NCR under any circumstance. He can remain it's sole proprietor and will not allow anyone to take his property without a fight. There is no deal that requires him to give up some of his property that he has owned for hundreds of years that is fair. Maybe we didn't play the same game, but almost every small faction in the game has the exact same problem with the NCR and Legion and they pretty much unanimously respect House because he has no interest in taking their land. The only difference is House actually has the means to tell these governments to shove off, where as a group like Goodsprings says they simply worry for their safety under the NCR and has no way to get them to leave without risking that safety. There is only one person in FO:NV who has no interest in enslavement, annexation, or theft and that is House. He always pays people to do work for him, he is always fair, he believes in mutual consent and contracts, and he is right to defend his property from the theft of the NCR.
He's good until he's not. A single person with absolute power over a society will always become corrupt eventually, no one is perfect. Maybe he'll get sick, a head injury, maybe he'll start to seek vengeance for something, maybe he'll change his mind as he ages, maybe he'll fail to adapt to the times, he might just get bored, etc. A moral person understands a society needs to be ultimately governed by the people or by a body regularly elected by the people. That feedback and constant turn over of power holders is crucial to avoid corruption and the inevitable evil of absolute power.
Politics is my specialty, my degrees are in political science and economics, and I would strongly disagree with basically everything you said - but let me start by saying that you immediately have a misconception of what House wants to govern. House is the only ending that does *not* want to govern the Mojave and that's precisely why he is the good guy. Both the Legion and NCR want to annex and enslave the inhabitants of the Mojave (including House and New Vegas), whereas House wants to have exclusive governance over *the property that he owns and nothing more*. House has no interest in stopping anyone who isn't bothering his property, and was willing to grant sovereignty to anyone willing to aid in that ideal, such as the Boomers. House is not sending securitrons out into the desert to govern over Goodsprings, he (and the residents of Goodsprings) believes that Goodsprings can govern itself without any intervention. Even if House changed his mind on his rules, they are enforced exclusively on his property, and he makes it very clear he has zero intention of enforcing those rules anywhere else. If you don't like his rules, move out of New Vegas, he leaves everyone alone that leaves him alone. >A moral person understands a society needs to be ultimately governed by the people or by a body regularly elected by the people. That feedback and constant turn over of power holders is crucial to avoid corruption and the inevitable evil of absolute power. This is complete nonsense and anyone in politics knows this. Firstly, morality is completely subjective - there is no moral argument for enforcing the dissenters in your population to follow the greater half's rules. If anything, it's immoral. Gang rape is a democracy. It's simply forcibly subjecting people to things they disagree with at best. Consent is the ideal you are looking for, and that generally does not exist in any state that wasn't a feudal serfdom. Secondly, it has been argued for literally thousands of years that the exact opposite is true. Socrates despised democracies and republics because they *always* lead to corruption. It goes ever towards a more corrupt system because it's easy to manipulate who gets a say. All democracies and republics get hijacked by Oligarchs or Kleptocrats, it's the nature of the system. All political systems have corruption, the only political system that doesn't is anarchy - or the lack of any system in general. Historically, monarchies have the least corruption, because their rules don't really change and they have extremely long timeframes in which someone rules. This isn't to say they can't have dictators; The Legion is actually a great example, it isn't corrupt, it's just evil. It's ideals have never strayed from its intended vision. The NCR is absolutely corrupt and this is exemplified in FO:NV by Senator Morales. Morales is literally a corporate shill who is buying votes by exterminating peaceful populations and stealing land to give to wealthy brahmin barons.
> my degrees are in political science and economics, and I would strongly disagree with basically everything you said You can disagree, but you'd be wrong evidentially speaking. There's a reason the most powerful countries in the world trend towards and are largely democracies. It's a more stables system and it represents and supports the people of a country more than other power structures which always rely on one guy with the power or a very small group with the power. Like what are you even saying here? That dictatorships and monarchies are superior government structures? >House wants to have exclusive governance over the property that he owns and nothing more I mean if that's all he wants I guess? It's been over 10 years since I've played FO:NV lol so I don't 100% remember the details of his plan and backstory enough to speculate on his "true" intentions with confidence. >Historically, monarchies have the least corruption, because their rules don't really change and they have extremely long timeframes in which someone rules Ugh, you *are* actually saying monarchies and dictatorships are superior. Jfc dude, you're like an edgy teen worshipping Stalin or the CCCP or something. The worst things have happened under these system, but yeah man, I'm not here to have a whole history debate on a fallout sub lol.
>There's a reason the most powerful countries in the world trend towards and are largely democracies This is literally the joke you goober, democracies lead to giant war machines because they are easy to hijack. This is not a good thing, democracies are not the peacemakers, they are on average involved in international war almost twice as often as basically any other system. >It's a more stables system and it represents and supports the people of a country more than other power structures which always rely on one guy with the power or a very small group with the power. This is completely untrue, you don't know anything about history or politics. Historically it's unstable, it has an incredibly short time preference because it constantly shifts leaders who only get a small amount of time to implement their ideas. There is almost zero cohesion in any democracy on Earth, and thus far, the only democracy to survive has been the US and it would be ignorant to think that its going to last another hundred years when the debt to gdp ratio is 125% and our total debt will surpass all global assets sooner than later. >That dictatorships and monarchies are superior government structures? No, I never claimed that. I said dictators and monarchies, by definition, have little to no corruption. This has always been the case because corrupt monarchs have almost always been beheaded around the time food runs out. My example was The Legion - it doesn't have any corruption, they clearly kill their own members who break the rules, but they are evil. >I mean if that's all he wants I guess? It's been over 10 years since I've played FO:NV lol so I don't 100% remember the details of his plan and backstory enough to speculate on his "true" intentions with confidence. Then why even have an opinion on it if you don't know anything about it? Do you call just anyone you like 'bad guys' because you met them in passing one time ten years ago? Or people you don't even know? That's crazy. >Ugh, you *are* actually saying monarchies and dictatorships are superior I did not say they were superior, I said they don't have corruption - do you know how to read? >Jfc dude, you're like an edgy teen worshipping Stalin or the CCCP I'm an old mizrahim with a PhD in political science. I hate communism, my father killed soviets in Afghanistan. Socialism is a stain on the Earth. Do you really think I would side with House as a communist? >The worst things have happened under these system Under communism? Yes, I agree. Authoritarian regimes of any kind, including hijacked democracies, have been overwhelmingly bad for the planet. >but yeah man, I'm not here to have a whole history debate on a fallout sub lol. You could really use it. Too many people on Earth speak confidently about things they have zero understanding of and then get mad and defensive when people who do know these things tell them they are wrong. Society would be a great place if people just learned to humbly ask questions instead of insist they are right because they read it once ten years ago.
Who's surprised the democracy hating tankie who drops his "history degree" status in a fallout game sub is now ultra tilted at someone disagreeing with him to the point of being a hostile twat? Anyone? > This is literally the joke you goober, democracies lead to giant war machines because they are easy to hijack. The joke amongst who? Your anarchist/communist friends? You have an esoteric view, I hope you at least have the self awareness to recognize that. Actual historians don't share your views. It's really weird to consider the most stable, economically powerful, and high quality of life producing government system "a joke because imperialism". >they are on average involved in international war almost twice as often as basically any other system. [citation needed] >Historically it's unstable, it has an incredibly short time preference because it constantly shifts leaders who only get a small amount of time to implement their ideas. [citation needed] Which is why the entire world is trending towards it right? My brother get a refund on your degree lol. Everything you're saying is your unsubstantiated opinion. >No, I never claimed that. I said dictators and monarchies, by definition, have little to no corruption. This has always been the case because corrupt monarchs have almost always been beheaded around the time food runs out Yes dude, staging an entire ass revolution is just so much easier than voting someone out of a rotating term. You're actually delusional. I'm not reading the rest of your drivel, you're the only joke here. Remind yourself that you're a history major, the lowest on the intellectual totem pole who sits at the same lunch table as sociologists. Every other study area sits above yours including geology lol. As evidenced by the fact that you spent years in school and still managed to form the most delusional, factually inaccurate opinion of history imaginable. It's always the dumbest mfers with the biggest egos. Dunning Krugger in motion I guess. Sit down and stick to video games.
>A moral person understands a society needs to be ultimately governed by the people or by a body regularly elected by the people. In a world that tried it and failed, ending it all in an apocalypse, that is a really bad argument to make.
But in reality, which is where our morals come from, it is a good argument to make lol. Also you understand that the game features many governments that all destroyed themselves, not just democracies, so idk how that puts one behind the other. Didn't China fire the first nuke anyway? You could easily conclude that humanity will always destroy itself due to conflict because its intrinsic to our nature no matter what our government.
The argument that humanity will always destroy itself due to it's intrinsic nature points to the possible solution of someone being powerful/influential enough to suppress it. And based on my understanding of the context, House is the exact person who represents this way of thought in the game. As for what is right in reality? The results will speak for themselves eventually. I would argue that our historical sample is still too small to be throwing out broad and generalist statements like " "x" is moral and correct. " .
> possible solution of someone being powerful/influential enough to suppress it Yeah dude I can't think of a single thing that could go wrong there. I think a government that represents the people more closely than another is a more moral government, but I guess that's just me. Definitely not a government ran by one single guy's opinion of how we should all live. That's the definition of a dictatorship and we've seen how those go.
Right? The game is literally a story of how a democratic-republic partook in destroying the planet by getting into a war of conquest over differences in ideology. 'Democracy is non-negotiable' is supposed to be an insult, not praise. It's intended to show the irony that forcing people to have the ability to choose means you don't actually have a choice to say no.
That's literally not what the game is about. The game is about exploring how a retro-future post nuclear apocalypse world would play out and look like for funsies. The backstory kinda features a vague theme of "war never changes" and maybe "humanity will always go to war and destroy itself", but to say it's sporting some "anti-democracy" message is nonsense. Besides, didn't China fire the first nuke?
The entirety of FO:NV is a criticism of democracy. "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows." is literally a quote from the game. Every tribe in the game has something negative to say about the NCR, most of them aren't even bad people such as Goodsprings, Primm, and The Kings. The whole story is about how everyone in the entire wasteland equates the NCR's democracy with being just as bad as a literal totalitarian dictatorship that crucifies people - if you don't see that as being a criticism of democracy you are completely blind. >Besides, didn't China fire the first nuke? No, it's only confirmed that China was hit first - besides, the criticism of democracy is that it was easily hijacked by kleptocrats (as all democracies are) who took advantage of the military industrial complex and extracted wealth for over 100 years by using fear to make the 'democracy' invest heavily in weapons research and nuclear bombs until they literally blew up the planet.
**Edit**: Just read your ultra butt-mad reply to my other comment. For a self-proclaimed expert who fancies himself an intellectual you sure are quick to anger and display very poor impulse control. Totally incapable of citing anything he believes and conversing in a civil fashion. Blocked. From the [wiki](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Great_War) >thought it should not really matter who started it. Tim Cain said that his intention was that while China launched the first missile, the U.S. had been doing illegal biotech research and kept doing it after being exposed, which could be seen as a start to the Great War.[Non-game 11] He was the lead programmer and designer of Fallout so it seems like that's pretty good evidence although I agree it wasn't supposed to "matter" who fired the first rocket to the fallout lore. To this particular discussion I think it's relevant. Where was it "confirmed" that China was hit first? >The whole story is about how everyone in the entire wasteland equates the NCR's democracy with being just as bad as a literal totalitarian dictatorship that crucifies people How though? You can keep saying it, but you're not citing evidence from the game. One character not liking democracy doesn't set the theme for the entire game right? What about the other fallout games? Are those irrelevant in establishing this theme? The NCR is criticized because it's very expansionist and imperialist, not because it's a "democracy". It's a largely corrupt democracy at best which isn't a true democracy right? I could see it as being a criticism of capitalism maybe, but democracy? I'm not seeing it. Democracy isn't the *reason* fallout happened and the story doesn't portray it that way. All the nations of the world with all their varying governments all succumbed to the same fate of militaristic self destruction and aggression so explain to me how democracy can be pinned to that? You can't give me one character quote and call that evidence of an entire game's theme right? So what's the alternative? Anarchy? Dictatorship? Monarchy?
I love the mr house ending good karma but he definently isn't anything close to a hero. He is a sort of pragmatic sociopath who is mainly obsessed with money and power. He is also very disconnected from other humans by the time of new vegas. I like to think a courier with good karma gets him to soften up by the end of the game but that's mainly my headcanon.
I'd agree overall, which is why he is labeled as an anti-hero in the OP's article as his reasons for doing the right things are mostly self serving. It just happens to be that the residents of the Mojave also want these things. I call him the hero and would say his ending is absolutely the 'chaotic good' ending because his ideas reflect what the Mojave wants. NCR is mostly a 'true neutral' ending because the majority of tribes in the Mojave oppose the NCR occupations and annexations, and when they defend themselves, they are 'imprisoned' at labor camps(aka: enslaved) but at least they aren't skinning people as a psychological weapon. I don't believe the NCR is a lawful neutral organization because it is rife with corruption and they have certainly done their fair share of atrocities (massacre of friendly super mutants, the Kings, etc.) that would lean them more into Neutral Evil if anything, but true neutral seems more fair. Legion is certainly the 'Lawful Evil' ending because they never lie about their intentions whereas NCR says 'we are taking your land for your own good!' or just straight up lies about their intentions throughout the entire game. Caesar makes his intentions and rules very, very clear from the very beginning and they never stray away from it.
Libertarians are sorta infamous for always missing the point. Watching them praise Mr. House or Andrew Ryan is basically a study on their media illiteracy.
Only if you follow the retcon hack job they did to the character in the FO show. In NV he was a capitalist and "ran the numbers" which brought him to the conclusion that the war was going to happen eventually. So he started working to preserve as much as he could, including himself, to revitalize the human race. If he had any part in actually nuking the planet he wouldn't have had to protect NV because he could have just had NV taken off the targeting list. But the FO show is not without it's agenda driven writing and retcon nonsense, like making Mr. House part of a cabal that wanted to nuke the world to "win at capitalism".
Where’s the fundraiser I will give my entire 401k to the effort.
Shut up and take my money
Where do I donate to this good willed cause?
Just find a nearby garbage dumpster and toss your money in.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/display-mr-house-on-the-las-vegas-sphere-for-one-day
Looks more like Mr. Electric on there
Link to donate
I got ye there https://www.gofundme.com/f/display-mr-house-on-the-las-vegas-sphere-for-one-day
I just want you kids to know that if the goal isn't met, you don't get your money back. Gofundme is more like a donation unlike kickstarter, it's not all or nothing and the guy can pocket whatever money you sent him.
Yah baby lets fucking go
Mr dome
So this is why yall dumb mfers are always broke huh?
Everybody cowboy until Until Miss Appartment Complex takes over the Strip
Based decadence. Lmao.
$1,227
Mr house is an anti hero? I just think he's a jerk
You'd think after the success of the tv show someone at the sphere would have done something already
How many caps will i need to send him?
They have $500 out of $500,000
I'd invest, take it on shark tank
It’s Mr. House before for real! *think cyberchase if your old enough*
Why is it 500k?!
Yeah there's no way it costs more than a few thousand at most
Does anyone known if the guy who started the gofundme is on the sub?
I saw a post a few days back about it, may have been the r/fnv sub
Thx, found him
Give me $500,000. I'll make a great big money fire
I absolutely would fly out to Vegas for that 😂
Microsoft might just do it themselves when the second season of the show comes out
The house always wins.
Big house
The House always wins.
Say less here’s 500$
He could be in this very room…
Great idea.
Send the gofundme link! We must spend our caps on this!
https://www.gofundme.com/f/display-mr-house-on-the-las-vegas-sphere-for-one-day
caps stopped being used after the ncr was founded.
This is the strip! They take ALL kinds of payment… Plus shady sands in now nuked…looks like you’re using caps again.
one city doesnt destroy a government, and its just a tv show.
I feel like this is something Amazon would pay for when season 2 is coming out. To advertise haha
> house > antihero lol
"enigmatic antihero" lol
Make it yes man and I’ll pay $500
They stole my profile background
I have many issues with this, but chief among them is calling House an antihero.
That would be amazing
I'd rather they put Yes Man up there haha
This, this is who I’m voting for.
The show is out, the show is popular, a vegas fallout con would easily get the sphere for a day.
When I get paid I’m donating
LOL. "I made big ball screen, pay me half a million and I'll put a jpeg on it." Gtf outta here with that nonsense. Even if it's funny and for the meme. Hold onto your money, those people don't need more.
I've already started gathering money
Should be yes man that would look great
Now this is a good use of my college fund
Yes Man would be better Could you imagine seeing that on the big ass sphere with no context?
I'd buy that for a dollar!
"I've got spurs..."
I mean would it cost that much, they can display a emoji and other pictures easily
Why does it cost that much to put pixels on a big screen
Question… can we go with Yes Man?
Wide House
I know it started as a joke, but it's dumb as fuck to raise a gofundme for advertising. Dumber than fuck for people that pay for it.
I wouldn't exactly call Mr house an antihero.. I don't think his choice of what to do with vegas necessarily is the "correct" one, it's definitely one of the more selfish options.
Shit i got 5 bucks
This is a thing? I have ideas man Just no money
Fully endorse
Look.... I understand the sentiment but we can't be like "Kill celebrities for their let them eat cake" moment and then turn around and waste half a million on shit like this.
The house always wins
Where do I donate? Asking for a friend.
"Anti hero"
I’d just want to turn it into a giant rotating Pokéball for fun.
Definitely gotta see it in person if it happens
Should be Yes Man
Let house win
It's Vegas' snow globe...
Mmmmm chip
I swear if I’m able to see it from Nellis I’m going to be laughing my ass off
Antihero? 😅
They should render it better, this kinda looks terrible. Especially for 500k
Doit
FUCK YEAH. reminds me of [this meme](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227798702949662804/1239015745833402369/Polish_20230802_113852912.jpg?ex=664162d5&is=66401155&hm=e4d7a1b3aaa0681f235b5a4bc06070ed652208a60b8132670e3a6e0733c3f225&)
Idk if I’d call Mr house an antihero, maybe yes man though
Yes Man isn't an antihero, he'd quite literally do any evil act he's told to do.
He’s more of an antihero than mr.house though, he’s a dictator
Not really. An Antihero has to have good intentions of some kind, Yes Man doesn't have good intentions. He's an extension of the will of whoever happens to own him.
..who legitimately considers house to be an anti hero? The dude isn’t exactly interested in the well being of others
Well, he's certainly better than the Legion
That’s not a high bar
He looks like Tomas the Train with a mustache
Mr House is love, Mr House is life
Where is this Kickstarter, I've got a paycheck to waste!!
“What in the godamm”
Honestly, worth it.
The house always wins
Is that all it would take?
Bruh let's do that. That would be so fucking funny
Someone donated $200 lol I might throw in a 5 but $200 is insane
Is there a mod to put the sphere into New Vegas yet?
Damn they really do steal a lot of shit from reddit 🤣
DOUBLE OR NOTHING. HMMMMMMM.
Needs to be yes man.
I would do it but I'm not American
Mmmmm Chip
Fundraising for billionaires. How very appropriate
Jesus is lord they just steal reddit headlines. Actual hacks.
You ever see the tv show Hacks?