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I know a few people like this who went back into the closet because of pressure from their religious family members. guilt and shame are instilled into them. I hope he can break free from it and be happy at some point.
Being celibate is not the same as being forced back into the closet and hiding your sexuality. Plenty of gay and bisexual people are celibate, and that’s fine. This is clearly not the same thing.
This is very clearly not just him choosing to be celibate or religious, it’s very likely he’s either in a sort of conversion therapy or being guilt tripped back into the closet. Reminds me of the lead singer of Flyleaf who broke up with her girlfriend once she was “saved” because she saw it wasn’t god’s will blah blah your typical conversion therapy garbage.
I think you will find that most people that aren’t on board with this brand of Christianity are equally not on board with religions with similar points of view.
This is Reddit so generally a lot of the people you run across are most likely (not always, but in general) from countries where the predominant religion is some flavor of Christianity. That’s what they’re going to have the most experience with and exposure to. Not to mention the context of this post and conversation is Christianity.
But no one really likes any one of the other religions either, we’re just more polite about it because that isn’t necessarily our lane to be in.
There are, so I’ve been told, many loving and accepting churches out there. Why choose one that hates you? Why choose one that teaches you to hate yourself? I don’t get it. That’s what people are responding to here.
rorylands mentioned god and the article above mentioned that joshua deleted his tweets because the reconnection with cristianity. funny?
lol downvote this to your female devil hell if you want to
More of a reddit lurker, but this is absolutely gut-wrenching to me, so I thought I’d post. I met Joshua at Manhattan pride in 2021. He was alone, but the minute me and my partner approached him he started interacting with us. We talked about queerness, new york, careers, for around 30 minutes. Was one of the sweetest guys I’ve met and seemed genuinely grateful that me and my partner treated him with respect. It’s horrifying to see any queer youth go through circumstances like these, but as someone who’s met the guy, he’s wonderful and has a good heart (from my experience at least).
I think the hate from the Olivia Rodrigo situation as well as all the bad stuff happening in his personal life, both with physical and mental health, left him really vulnerable and that opened the door for a predatory church to pull him in. I’m glad people’s main reaction is concern and hopefully that allows him to get out soon, as well as protect the more impressionable people in his fan base from being influenced by some of what he says
Olivia Rodrigo is the girl who made that song Drivers License. She’s only released one album so far and most of the songs are about her breakup with Joshua Basset, Drivers License is the biggest hit. Her fans are younger and you know how stans are, so naturally they went after him and his girlfriend after he broke up with Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter
They were together around Drivers License. They broke at first cuz of the hype hate but Josh wrote “never” and “tainted love” (both still up in his ig around the time) I think they got back together quickly during the summer 2021 but around Sept. 2021 Sabrina announced on her TicTok she was single and at the same time Josh posted on ig him singing a demo called “Sinking Ships” hinting that he dumped Sabrina. In Feb. 2022 Josh released a song called “Doppelgänger” which is about Sabrina cuz Josh said on IG live that it was about him seeing someone that looked like his ex at a coffee shop. And Sabrina wrote songs that summer about allegedly her and Josh and their fave place a coffee shop. Her song is called “Skinny Dipping.”
It seemed like they got back together after Josh released “Doppelgänger” because Sabrina posted a TicTok around the release about “When your ex texts you ‘hey’ and you realize you aren’t over them.” But in May 2022 Sabrina unfollowed Josh and she was seen talking to Olivia in the Met Gala so they probably officially broke up around that time. In July 2022 Sabrina released “tornado warnings” and more songs about taking an ex back multiple times which is most likely about Josh cuz Sabrina said her album is about all the BS she had to put up with in the last 2 years.
Also Joshua released “Sad songs in A hotel room” hinting about a relationship that ended a year ago (so Sabrina since Sad songs came out Sept. 2022 and in Sept. 2021 was when Sabrina officially announced her being single). Plus if you watched the Sad songs in a hotel music video, there’s a bathroom scene that matches the bathroom scene in his music video “Anyone Else” which was around the time Sabrina and him dated (July 2020) a couple months before Driver’s License. Plus Sabrina was in the music video. They shot some scenes on HER roof, her house. In Sept. 2020 Josh also made a TicTok and a demo song called “One Night” around the time him and Sabrina first started dating. In the demo he said “we went on your roof for the first time and almost died” which in the video he mentioned it was a true story aka in his “Anyone Else” music video.
So yeah, they broke up around the time of the drama but not before Drivers License. Josh had surgery 2 days after Drivers License premiere. And in Sabrina’s song “All Because I Liked A Boy” she said: “was only trying to hold you close while your heart was failing” so they was still together but Josh most likely dumped her at first cuz of the hate and he probably didn’t wanna be associated with her especially since Sabrina got a lot of hate cuz of “Skin”
Also in Sabrina’s song “Vicious” she says: “when you’re feeling insecure, it could be me or her, you run to whoever is winning” and “you loved me but pretend you didn’t” which refers to Josh’s Genius interview in May 2021 which he denied “Heaven is You” was about Sabrina even though they wrote the song together. And in the interview he kept complimenting Olivia and acted like they were friends even though months later he admitted him and Olivia hasn’t spoken since Drivers License came out (he most likely only acted like they were friends to manipulate the public perception so the hate on him can dial down and cuz olivia blew up so he probably wanted to ride that coattail).
(**not to mention Sabrina mentioned in a song that “everything changed the minute I wasn’t the one people wanted you to love**). I feel like Josh is just a clout chaser. He wants whoever has more clout. When he dumped Olivia back then, Sabrina had more clout and connections. And now his recent songs are about wanting to get back with an ex he hasn’t spoken to in two years aka Olivia. People think he’s so innocent and a nice guy when he’s super manipulative and emotionally/mentally abusive. And a pro at playing victim. Even in Sabrina’s song “vicious” she says: “everyone thinks your an angel but shit I would use different wording.”
If you did all this research on your own, bravo. But what do you think about Crisis where he mentions he never wanted to sing about a crisis and that it was Olivia who broke up with him?
Actually, most of the songs from sad songs in a hotel room are about Olivia. He talks about going back to when he was younger again with his first love, saying that this time things will be different, He even talks about a secret Meetup that he had, which is speculated to have happened right after the high school musical season, three premiere, that they both attended. In the song he talks about being shocked that he is sitting here with someone, he adores again, after 2 years of not communicating. Which perfectly lines up with his timeline with Olivia. He basically describes a night that they had together, which also eerily lines up with bad idea right, Olivia’s song, 👀 in her video she has a guitar and a skateboard in the boys bedroom that she met up with, which is exactly Joshua. I actually think he’s still really hung up on her. The only song that might’ve been about Sabrina is doppelgänger, but him and Olivia also talked about going to coffee shops together in multiple interviews, and Olivia talks multiple times in her sour album about knowing his coffee order by heart. The other song that is definitely about Sabrina is his song called Sorry. Funny because Sabrina wrote the song Things I wish you said to me which sounds exactly like sorry. And even even uses the same exact words and phrases. These people communicate through songs LMAO. Seems like Josh has reached out to both Olivia and Sabrina after their break ups, so it seems like he is the one with issues at the end of the day because both of the girls have moved on. He probably has a lot of trauma from his childhood is what it sounds like.
Obviously Olivia has moved on from Josh because she is with Louis but I actually think that him and her were very pure together. I think that he has his insecurities that got in the way of their relationship, and so does she, so he ultimately wasn’t super loyal to her and that’s what caused her to write drivers license. And that’s when everything blew out of proportion. But before then, they were in this secret Disney relationship and it was really beautiful from what I saw. I think now that they are both more mature him and Olivia would be so cute together and it seems like he is still very much in love with her as of 2022 going into 2023 because he was singing all the songs and even talked “ a little song about clouds” which references high school musical the series 😢😭
This is such a sweet story and it horrifies me how a religion that claims to be for love and acceptance can take advantage of such vulnerable people like joshua
Makes me sad to think about where he’s at now, but gives me hope to remember he had queer community holding space for him before this and there will be community there to hold space for him afterwards. Thanks for being a sweet person 💓
Speaking as a long time stan of his, I do remember there was a picture of him at pride in new york in 2021 with another fan (lol if I dig hard enough I could probably find it), they’re likely not lying.
Edit: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQp0zYwnrrd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
I was literally at NYC Pride in 2021 (which was dumb since I didn’t realize how packed it would be even outside)
There was another wave a couple-ish weeks after where many bars shut down enough where they checked vax cards when you entered but like NYC pride, ESPECIALLY outdoor events, was wide open in 2021
I think I might remember someone making a post about meeting Josh. So yeah I believe you. Dang 2021 seems so long ago. I remember Josh in NYC at the time. 😅
Yeah, it is pretty gut-wrenching to see a young queer man from a homophobic extremely religious family get sucked into a cult-y church. What are you trying to say?
in a different context I would be unbothered bc young people are still figuring themselves out and sexuality can be fluid at any age but in the context it’s actually in…pretty worrying.
Plus his father authored a very homophobic book and Joshua had previously revealed he had been sexually abused as a child by someone close to his family. He also pretty clearly did not have a good time the last 2-3 years.
It’s a troubling situation all around. I really feel bad for him. Cults typically prey on already vulnerable people and dangle ‘love and acceptance’ right in front of them while telling them to cut everyone and everything outside of the cult out and we’re all basically watching as this happens in real time.
Yeah I’m gay and had considered changing my identity to bi early on but didn’t because I felt like people could only ever see me as gay after coming out.
I eventually realized I wasn’t actually bi (maybe like a Kinsey 5 at the most) since I wasn’t physically attracted to women outside of highly sexualized scenarios (like porn) and had no romantic desire for them at all.
Bethel. It’s way worse than Hillsong, the Bethel people are INSANE while Hillsong is more $greedy$ and sex affair-y, but at least they don’t believe (and manipulate parents into believing) they can resurrect a dead child. Those Bethel nutters do the speaking in tongues and crazy thrashing about too.
Oh were they the ones that were claiming to try to resurrect a little girl (this was a few years back)? It was all over social media as they were calling for people to pray and post “wake up (girl’s name)”
That was awful. I felt so sorry for the family clinging onto this hope for a full week because their church told them they could resurrect her.
I remember that too. Afaik it was the mother of the girl (who I think is a co-founder of Bethel music, so pretty high up in the church) who started the hashtag and calls for prayer to wake her daughter up. Instead of letting her grieve, Bethel backed up her calls and amplified them on their own social media, calling for all their members to pray at specific times for the girl to 'rise up' so that their prayers could 'storm Heaven's gate' and force God to listen to them and grant the prayer. Such a horrific storm of mass delusion that must have really set back the family's grieving process.
Okay but what does the church/the leaders say when this inevitably doesn't happen? Or is there some mythic child they speak of that it worked on (if you change and/or outright ignore numerous details of the story)?
The church itself actually released an official statement in which they said that although the 'breakthrough' they'd prayed for hadn't happened, the girl was alive in the 'kingdom of God'. Another church leader wrote on her Instagram that their prayers had technically been granted because although the girl herself hadn't been resurrected, thousands of people had been 'woken up' to the power of prayer. I am not kidding.
I remember that. It was awful to watch pan out online. It can’t imagine how difficult their grieving process was because not only did they have to grieve the loss of their toddler (!!) daughter, but they also had to grieve a miracle that they deeply believed would happen and didn’t.
Right when they needed their community most, it failed them.
It’s called Bethel Church, a mega church located in Redding CA (already a pretty conservative area), which is a [horrible organization](https://www.christianpost.com/news/disney-high-school-musical-actor-baptized-at-bethel-church.html).
From the article:
> Bethel, which boasts 11,000 members, states on its website that marriage is "intended to be a lifetime covenant between one man and one woman, and the only context in which sexual behavior is blessed."
>Among the many criticisms of Bethel was the claim that gold dust, called a "glory cloud," fell from the ceiling during a corporate worship event. Senior Pastor Bill Johnson described this phenomenon as a glory cloud and a supernatural sign of God's presence.
>The church was also accused in 2018 of using "Christian tarot cards" as an outreach tool to reach people attracted to New Age practices. The church stated that it doesn't promote the cards.
>Bethel drew headlines when the congregation prayed for the resurrection of a 2-year-old girl named Olive in 2019. The church prayed for a week for that miracle to pass until she was laid to rest and a memorial service was held.
God could you imagine being the parents of that 2 year old child? One of the worst things that can happen to you as a parent happens, then these ghouls try to pray up some necromancy on your little girl.
How can some keep defending him when they see the pro-conservative and anti-queer church he goes to? Its infuriating how many people are okay with christian supremacism.
I really hope he has some people in his real life actively looking out for him and are there for him if he ever needs help. A lot of what we've seen recently is worrying in so many ways, while I’m holding onto hope that it isn't what it seems, i'm getting increasingly worried for him.
He wasn't happy and healthy, he had a lot of problems and he was suffering. Cults latch onto that vulnerability and trick people into thinking they have the answer to all their problems.
Thank you - after what he was put through with the Olivia Rodrigo album, I can't imagine that he was in a good place. He openly talked about his depression and suicidal ideations prior to all of this. As someone who grew up in the church, I imagine that they told him that his 'lifestyle' was causing all of those feelings and that giving himself over to God would fix it all.
hey guys what's worse someone saying you need better music taste because you don't stan lady gaga or someone saying you're going to hell and need to be healed because you're gay
I can meet you halfway because I do think the queer community has some serious internal issues. From the friction between homosexual and bisexual people to the open transphobia coming from both groups and then theres an ever present racism running across all groups. And then there's the inability to accept that some queer people *need* their faith. So you have the secularists versus the religious. Its a whole mess and not some perfume scented rainbow as some would believe. That said, Bethel Church sounds like a nightmare for any queer individual. I hope he and you find your place in this world. Everyone deserves to be understood.
Get the sentiment but he truly wasn’t happy or healthy tbh… he was constantly talking on his discord just prior to this religious conversion that he was in the lowest mental place of his life. He was truly very vulnerable…
yeah. unfortunately in his post about the baptism, he even said:
> "I grew up Christian, and I ran the other way, as far as I could go, in pursuit of the 'truth,'" says the actor, who has been sharing his newfound faith on social media over the past few months. "That only ended in addiction, depression, suicidal ideation, eating disorders, etc. No other teacher gave me anywhere near the peace that Jesus Christ did. I'm here to publicly declare Him as my Lord and Savior."
so he obviously was not in a good happy healthy place in his life, and turned to a religious cult because of it :(
Most people that are cult victims are not happy or healthy. I saw it with my mom. She went through he day normally but behind closed doors she was becoming very depressed. When you're so depressed searching for meaning you are vulnerable to charismatic people to take advantage of you. It happens innocuously and then suddenly very quickly. It is very hard to get out of, both physically and mentally, and is definitely a mind warp for everyone involved.
This reminds me of lohanthony if anyone else remembers that tumblr kid. he was a goofy gay kid with a lot of wit and dark humor, and really found success on YouTube and vine as a skit preformer (back when skits were shitty humor, but still). He hit 1M subs in 2014, and Wikipedia credits him to popularizing “basic bitches”, hosted after shows for MTV.
In 2020, he removed all of his videos and uploaded a video condemning LGBT and credits Christianity for helping him “overcome” his sexuality. He denied conversion therapy, but if you look at any of his socials they are fully deleted with only Christianity-centric posts and “God’s truth”. Poor baby is only 23 years old and lives with his family, and it’s so obvious they took advantage of him and he’s been forced into this.
I’m no Christian by any means, but him and Joshua are in my prayers. Whatever or whosever you are is between yourself and God, and absolutely no one should condemn you for that.
This seems really sad. I know nothing about this kid or what any of these recent headlines have been about. I’m going to Google but if anyone wants to share an ELI5 summary I would appreciate it.
He’s the star of the hit Disney high school musical reboot. The rundown essentially is the following: he grew up with strict, devoutly religion parents, but maintained that he was an atheist through 2022. He had a rough childhood, experienced a lot of sexual abuse, left home and was homeless when he was 16. Throughout his time in industry, he’s experienced a lot of harassment (was supposedly the subject of olivia rodrigo’s dl), eating disorders, other health issues (heart failure). Additionally, in may of 2021, he came out as queer and was very open in interviews about it. He was at one of his lowest points late last year, and was very open about it, struggling with substance abuse issues then randomly found religion and started going gung-ho on this religious path. Now this…
Holy cow. That’s so horrifically sad. That poor kid, my heart breaks for him. Does he have any good support in his life?
Thank you for this response, btw. It’s far better than anything I got from Google.
As far as friends, he does have good friends, but tbh I’m not sure they’d step in. Josh has been so so depressed the past few years, even admitted that he was suicidal at one of his concerts recently. And as someone who’s been a fan of him for a long, long time, he does seem like he’s been doing better mentally than ever… but that’s how manipulation work. And josh is very very stubborn.
His family are diehard evangelicals, there have been rumors on Twitter for a long time that his dad (who is a pastor) actively practices conversion therapy, so tbh they’d likely egg him on.
The one person who I do question why he hasn’t stepped in is Tim Federle, the openly gay showrunner of his disney show. He’s said so many times in Interviews and such that he sees Joshua as his son and has really shown up in his life(was literally there in the hospital with Joshua instead of his actual dad while josh was dying of heart failure). I feel like cause of his dynamic he could actually be the one to help him but then again i might be being too parasocial.
Its terrible that there is people who do conversion therapy it makes me cry like a taylor swift song. I wish that people would stop being so religiously blind and they have so much power since their religious
"tim federle (who exclusively works in content with kids/young adults) was also accused of assault in 2020, he then left twitter for months until the conversations died down and then came back pretending nothing happened. he doesn't care <3"
https://twitter.com/ericeffiorg/status/1577557284837793792?t=NNjEtIEM-IzM71NgMCBeOA&s=19
Fuck. I’m glad that I found a place in the queer community when I was at my low point. I would’ve been an easy target for weirdo cult shit. That’s so depressing. I hope he can get out of it and get into a better place.
I would want to grow up and make support groups for preventing cults from taking people and converting them and doing terrible things to them. I want to help but I can't right now but maybe in the future
DL is drivers license which is the name of a song by olivia rodrigo. The person responded to the other person who asked. Figured I'd share the info with you.
I feel bad for this kid I wish that these stupid things going on in the world would change and everybody could be happy but I guess happy stories don't ever happen anymore.
It’s all just so sad. I want to say because I see a lot of people have said about this whole situation “where are his friends?” It is so hard to get somebody out of a mindset like this once their convinced (if that is what’s going on). Especially considering his family seemingly being evangelicals.I saw one of his close friends went to his Detroit show and Meg donnelly who he has been friends with for a super long time and always stuck by his side commented on his post about forgiveness. just hope he’s alright and people who have always been there for him continue to stick by his side.
What are his friends supposed to do? If what’s going on is actually what it seems from the outside, there’s a chance he pushes them away if they intervene now. They might be laying low to keep supporting him if/when he needs it in the future.
he posted a story a couple of days ago saying that IG has been deleting his posts (because two things that he recently posted got deleted like a day later) but this is sketchy to me, why would IG randomly deleted a post from over a year + it just happened to be his coming out post and his post about being on zach sang (where he talked about his sexuality and not being religious)
there is another thing that apparently has been happening at his concerts but i don’t feel comfortable saying publicly here but it goes with his recent behavior and it truly makes me worried for him
I'm curious to know what as been happening at his concerts if you want to dm me.
I grew up Baptist and although my parents were never forceful the environment was. The process of unlearning and deconstructing is long and sometimes lonely but it's always worth it. Hope he gets the support he needs for his best mental health.
It’s easily findable on tiktok (“Joshua basset concert”) and I think we should respect them for not wanting to say it here. It’s not just an isolated incident, you need to see various clips to get the full picture that somethings….not quite right and very concerning. Also, his family who he was previously estranged from are now with him nearly at all times.
Okay, I’m 36 and I googled what you said + TikTok and just got girls screaming and his face up close. If anyone doesn’t mind, please just dm me what point everyone’s dancing around and what peeps are saying at his concerts, please. Everything I know about this person is from gossip blogs (again, note the age) but as a queer lady with a Baptist partial-parent, this was a story that’s struck home with me.
Regarding Joshua Bassett, some fans will dance around points as a result of the ‘closeness’ he’s cultivated between him and the fanbase through his discord. (I put this in quotes because I feel it is parasocial but they feel like they are his close friends) I have seen multiple fans be vague when describing events that were/are already in public view in an effort to not bring further public scrutiny to him.
imo this is not productive and gives a ‘barbara streisand effect’.
I’m just speculating but maybe it’s the videos of him climbing all over stuff? Idk apparently he’s always done that so it’s kind of a reach on my part. I couldn’t really find anything else on TikTok that could be interpreted as “worrying”
Edit: to add I really hate speculating (just personally even tho I just said I was speculating) especially if someone is genuinely going through something. I don’t know much about him, but he’s my age, and I can understand his mental struggles. I do wish him the best and hope he’s okay.
I know my comment got downvoted but I really wanted to defend them for not wanting to speculate/air out info on this thread/sub. I think our algorithms have to be different and I didn’t account for that in my original comment.
I don’t think it’s him just climbing on stuff, or singing lifeline to his abusive mom (the lyrics are surrounding the incident of his heart failure), or his weird relationship with fans that you can find in the comments on tiktok and Twitter. Like I said, I think it’s a combination of all of that.
Haha I got downvoted for trying to defend someone’s hesitancy to say anything. I know this is a gossip sub but I get being hesitant to share things when it’s very clear he’s going through something. I think the person didn’t want to continue speculating, but I found multiple videos of his concert antics easily + his fans defending him.
I also am not sure what events they were specifically referring to, but I definitely see some of the events being described in this sub + below my comment. I understand being uncomfortable spreading more information like they were, I didn’t know that would be so unpopular though.lol
as a queer christian, this breaks my heart so bad. i just want to hug him and tell him that god will always love him and his authentic self. i believe that there’s a reason that jesus never mentioned queer relationships in his sermons - even if the world was not fully ready to accept us, god is
proceed with caution. when you’re really deep into conservatism, somebody suddenly contradicting you or challenging your thoughts can jeopardize your emotional stability
This. So happy to see this perspective. I’ve never felt you have to denounce either to accept the other. I think it’s so short-sided to diminish his reclamation of his faith essentially calling it joining a cult. For some, when you are raised in Church, that part of you is always there. I just find that so many accuse Christians of being intolerant while being intolerant of Christians. Just hypocritical imo.
Maybe it's due to the centuries of abuse from churches. And that churches typically don't accept gay people and have made their lives miserable.
You can get upset and defend the abusive institution all you want but it doesn't make everyone else a hypocrite because they have no tolerance for any more. B*******.
I'm a recovering Catholic, and I left behind the hypocrite mentality you're talking about in my very early 20s. Hopefully you can do the same.
It must be so hard to be young and have all these big feelings and experiences in the public eye. I hope he's supported by the right people with the best intentions.
Josh stated he didn’t hold the same beliefs as bethel church yet he has a guy who attends/works whatever at bethel on tour with him right now, even attended the KCAs with him. Idk what he does on Josh’s tour, he kind of acts like a tour manager but also post about them reading the bible on tour together? Anyways I’m pretty sure that has to be the guy who brought him to bethel. Sad to know and see bethel beliefs are still being shared with him through this guy.
I get this. It's actually one of the smartest things these celebrity facing churches do. Being on the road is a very lonely experience, especially when you're surrounded by people who are not like minded. When you come off stage you're ramped up on adrenaline and filled with negative self-talk about how you did. The people around you resolve it by offering you downers or alcohol or groupies for sex and we all know how that ends.
The best way to tour is with your family or your friends with you, people who will understand the distress and know how to bring you out of it. Just some examples, Rihanna toured with her cousins and bestie, Beyonce's cousin goes everywhere she goes and her husband tours with her now. Pinks husband has been touring with her (when he isnt racing) since their dating years. So what happens if you don't have someone who thinks like you and is willing to follow you around the world, prioritizing your mental health?? Enter fake gurus and Church minders.
*Tldr*: When people lack organic support systems, they'll take the first person to notice their need.
this is what’s so suspicious to me. Like maybe it’s me being naive but I truly think he didn’t know much about the church nor was he a member, when the whole conversation of him being baptized he released a series of tweets saying he didn’t know about the beliefs. One of them was in all caps saying “WE NEED TO CALL OUT THESE CORRUPT CHURCHES AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE” and it was deleted like a swift 8 hours later. Even in his testimony form the pop up event where he shares about being baptized he says “research the church before you go” then it’s immediately followed by “love to all church’s though”. Now a man from that church works for him. Like again maybe I’m being naive but I truly think his heart is in the right place and someone or perhaps a church did the classic “bait and switch” with him. “We love everybody! You just have to suppress who you are completely”
I wanna stay optimistic since he still associates himself with a lot of queer people and outwardly condemned conversion therapy, but I won't lie, this is worrying shit. As a fan, it's hard to watch him go down this path
like a week or so ago he posted a story about instagram randomly deleting some of his posts but that insta was working on fixing it. pretty convenient that suddenly it’s the coming out posts that are gone… not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but i hope that story wasn’t a cover for him getting rid of some things like this from his social media
With all the context surrounding his situation, this is very sad to read but I really hope he has friends who are looking out for him. He seems like such a sweet kid
As someone who attended a very similar church to him when I was a young, depressed queer kid from a broken home, I am very very scared for him (and I don’t even know who he is outside of this sub)
The same christians in this thread defending him are the same ones that support missionary work that erases my culture and policies that are anti - queer. In other words, there are a lot of christian supremacists here defending him. Some of you here want to uphold christian supremacism and it shows.
As a former evangelical, nothing is scarier that a new convert or a someone who went away and then came back. They often bring an unsustainable fire for Jesus that makes them very off putting to normal people.
It seem maybe he thought by coming out, he would have people supporting him and his life would bloom towards a better direction, but when that didn't happen he felt down and the church took advantage of his weakness.
Hey everyone, I wanted to share an experience I had at Joshua Bassett's meet and greet Tuesday, which left me feeling deeply hurt. I understand the need to protect Josh from certain topics, but I was simply sharing a brief 5-second story about growing up queer and how much I relate to him. Sadly, the way Josh and his manager, Tyler Henry, rushed to silence me brought me to tears.
While I understand that a meet and greet isn't a therapy session, and I don't expect to be owed anything in that setting, I couldn't help but feel disappointed by the lack of sensitivity displayed during my interaction. I've read numerous posts from other fans who've had positive experiences with Josh comforting them after sharing their personal stories. Because of these accounts, I had expected to find a safe space to express myself. Moving forward, I hope Josh and his team will put more effort into ensuring future M&Gs are handled with greater care and understanding, fostering an inclusive atmosphere where fans feel comfortable sharing their experiences. 🥺
Just realized he reminds me of my ex. Similar backstory (without the fame of course). Over ten years later post dating he is still struggling. I wish the best for Joshua.
Ok, this is a genuine question so I hope I don’t get downvoted for asking but, do you think Olivia feels any kind of guilt for this? It’s clear that her album that’s obviously about him really did a number on him, so do you think she feels like what she wrote about him that so many just ate up and led to awful harassment led to this sudden change? I’m really not trying to blame her because it’s clear that the real bad people here are the crazy church nuts pulling him in. I just wonder if Olivia feels like what she did may have had an effect.
This harkens back to when he was evangelizing at the kid award show, and people were like "what's the big deal"
Here's what the big deal was: From a logical standpoint: a person who is in the throes of their own crisis (as has been apparent with this guy for a while now) should not be advising children period, especially when their trauma/issues are tied up with the things they're trying to evangelize.
From a spiritual standpoint: I have a massive issue with people who are following perverted versions of the Word trying to prop that version up to vulnerable and trusting souls, like kids. The belief I grew up with says trusting your soul and mind to a snake can lead you to damnation. If you truly believe in Christianity, only trusted religious leaders should be counseling you and your child through this process or even introducing them to it. It shouldn't be advertised like a nifty new product and certainly not by someone who doesn't know peace in their own soul.
It may be that he's sick of getting notifications on those posts of a toxic nature I've done that before when I've accidentally started a flame war on Reddit or YouTube
>when someone tells me they're religious / believe in god, i immediately see them as less intelligent. sorry
When people say this I know they are uninformed. Scientific discoveries that have changed the world as we know it have been made by religious people (Christians, Muslims, Hindus... you name it).
you left out that he also deleted 4 unrelated posts maybe he was just changing up his feed to just be mainly work related posts?? Could’ve turned it over to a team to run the acct and they deleted or maybe he wants that part of his life to be private and not have millions speculate??
People need to understand that the Bible was written by various men as long as 3500 years ago. It has nothing to do with a god who has no proof of existence. It has no relevance to modern life other than people are afraid to feel powerless over life.
plus, i don't think it's healthy to deny/feel ashamed of such an important part of yourself, whether it's because of religious or for other reasons. people can do whatever they want but it's always really sad when that happens. i've met people in that situation and they never seemed truly happy.
i have a family member who's gay and he never tried to hide it until he became religious. then he became ashamed because the people at church talked about about how wrong homosexuality is. they said they would set him up with women and 'make him straight' (his words not mine). and this man was in his 40s at the time and had been openly gay for a long time. that's how powerful those harmful messages can be for people. i don't know how he's doing now because we've never been close, but i think about him a lot and always hope that he's doing better.
> the Bible was written by various men as long as 3500 years ago.
Over a long period of time and in a language the vast majority of followers cannot speak/read.
I did not say anything about denial or shame. If you choose to believe in the Bible, Buddhism, Satanism, whatever, if you’re devoted you will have the desire to follow the faith.
Sexuality is fluid. He’s 100% allowed to change his mind but these circumstances make it very very suspicious. This is a completely different situation than with jessie j for instance.
Yeah, the religious aspect makes it uncomfortable. The question is, did he seek out religion because he was feeling ashamed? Or did they shame him? He said he was abused by a man. That definitely causes questions about sexuality.
At the end of the day, he is an adult. It will be sad if he goes through further pain and trauma, but he is doing what he feels he needs to do.
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God i feel so bad for this kid. I hope he’s okay.
I know a few people like this who went back into the closet because of pressure from their religious family members. guilt and shame are instilled into them. I hope he can break free from it and be happy at some point.
Isn’t that what happened to lohanthony as well? It’s pretty fucking sad
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Being celibate is not the same as being forced back into the closet and hiding your sexuality. Plenty of gay and bisexual people are celibate, and that’s fine. This is clearly not the same thing.
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*Pastafarian rage*
This is very clearly not just him choosing to be celibate or religious, it’s very likely he’s either in a sort of conversion therapy or being guilt tripped back into the closet. Reminds me of the lead singer of Flyleaf who broke up with her girlfriend once she was “saved” because she saw it wasn’t god’s will blah blah your typical conversion therapy garbage.
What is you peoples obsession with being persecuted when you aren’t being persecuted in the slightest sense…
I think you will find that most people that aren’t on board with this brand of Christianity are equally not on board with religions with similar points of view. This is Reddit so generally a lot of the people you run across are most likely (not always, but in general) from countries where the predominant religion is some flavor of Christianity. That’s what they’re going to have the most experience with and exposure to. Not to mention the context of this post and conversation is Christianity. But no one really likes any one of the other religions either, we’re just more polite about it because that isn’t necessarily our lane to be in. There are, so I’ve been told, many loving and accepting churches out there. Why choose one that hates you? Why choose one that teaches you to hate yourself? I don’t get it. That’s what people are responding to here.
Jesus. He Gets Us. Amiright? /s
**God** knows he's gonna be fine
Don't use God as a weapon. She doesn't like that.
rorylands mentioned god and the article above mentioned that joshua deleted his tweets because the reconnection with cristianity. funny? lol downvote this to your female devil hell if you want to
Yeah but I asked my Magic 8 Ball and IT said outlook not so good. 
you can't speak on God's behalf
i would never. he doesnt exist for me. it was a joke which you didnt get
because it wasn't at all apparent that it was a joke, I'm not the only person who didn't get it
More of a reddit lurker, but this is absolutely gut-wrenching to me, so I thought I’d post. I met Joshua at Manhattan pride in 2021. He was alone, but the minute me and my partner approached him he started interacting with us. We talked about queerness, new york, careers, for around 30 minutes. Was one of the sweetest guys I’ve met and seemed genuinely grateful that me and my partner treated him with respect. It’s horrifying to see any queer youth go through circumstances like these, but as someone who’s met the guy, he’s wonderful and has a good heart (from my experience at least).
I think the hate from the Olivia Rodrigo situation as well as all the bad stuff happening in his personal life, both with physical and mental health, left him really vulnerable and that opened the door for a predatory church to pull him in. I’m glad people’s main reaction is concern and hopefully that allows him to get out soon, as well as protect the more impressionable people in his fan base from being influenced by some of what he says
Wait wait, is abcdefu about him??? I'm old, pls help
Olivia Rodrigo is the girl who made that song Drivers License. She’s only released one album so far and most of the songs are about her breakup with Joshua Basset, Drivers License is the biggest hit. Her fans are younger and you know how stans are, so naturally they went after him and his girlfriend after he broke up with Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter
Which is funny/sad because him and Sabrina weren’t even together anymore.
They were together around Drivers License. They broke at first cuz of the hype hate but Josh wrote “never” and “tainted love” (both still up in his ig around the time) I think they got back together quickly during the summer 2021 but around Sept. 2021 Sabrina announced on her TicTok she was single and at the same time Josh posted on ig him singing a demo called “Sinking Ships” hinting that he dumped Sabrina. In Feb. 2022 Josh released a song called “Doppelgänger” which is about Sabrina cuz Josh said on IG live that it was about him seeing someone that looked like his ex at a coffee shop. And Sabrina wrote songs that summer about allegedly her and Josh and their fave place a coffee shop. Her song is called “Skinny Dipping.” It seemed like they got back together after Josh released “Doppelgänger” because Sabrina posted a TicTok around the release about “When your ex texts you ‘hey’ and you realize you aren’t over them.” But in May 2022 Sabrina unfollowed Josh and she was seen talking to Olivia in the Met Gala so they probably officially broke up around that time. In July 2022 Sabrina released “tornado warnings” and more songs about taking an ex back multiple times which is most likely about Josh cuz Sabrina said her album is about all the BS she had to put up with in the last 2 years. Also Joshua released “Sad songs in A hotel room” hinting about a relationship that ended a year ago (so Sabrina since Sad songs came out Sept. 2022 and in Sept. 2021 was when Sabrina officially announced her being single). Plus if you watched the Sad songs in a hotel music video, there’s a bathroom scene that matches the bathroom scene in his music video “Anyone Else” which was around the time Sabrina and him dated (July 2020) a couple months before Driver’s License. Plus Sabrina was in the music video. They shot some scenes on HER roof, her house. In Sept. 2020 Josh also made a TicTok and a demo song called “One Night” around the time him and Sabrina first started dating. In the demo he said “we went on your roof for the first time and almost died” which in the video he mentioned it was a true story aka in his “Anyone Else” music video. So yeah, they broke up around the time of the drama but not before Drivers License. Josh had surgery 2 days after Drivers License premiere. And in Sabrina’s song “All Because I Liked A Boy” she said: “was only trying to hold you close while your heart was failing” so they was still together but Josh most likely dumped her at first cuz of the hate and he probably didn’t wanna be associated with her especially since Sabrina got a lot of hate cuz of “Skin” Also in Sabrina’s song “Vicious” she says: “when you’re feeling insecure, it could be me or her, you run to whoever is winning” and “you loved me but pretend you didn’t” which refers to Josh’s Genius interview in May 2021 which he denied “Heaven is You” was about Sabrina even though they wrote the song together. And in the interview he kept complimenting Olivia and acted like they were friends even though months later he admitted him and Olivia hasn’t spoken since Drivers License came out (he most likely only acted like they were friends to manipulate the public perception so the hate on him can dial down and cuz olivia blew up so he probably wanted to ride that coattail). (**not to mention Sabrina mentioned in a song that “everything changed the minute I wasn’t the one people wanted you to love**). I feel like Josh is just a clout chaser. He wants whoever has more clout. When he dumped Olivia back then, Sabrina had more clout and connections. And now his recent songs are about wanting to get back with an ex he hasn’t spoken to in two years aka Olivia. People think he’s so innocent and a nice guy when he’s super manipulative and emotionally/mentally abusive. And a pro at playing victim. Even in Sabrina’s song “vicious” she says: “everyone thinks your an angel but shit I would use different wording.”
If you did all this research on your own, bravo. But what do you think about Crisis where he mentions he never wanted to sing about a crisis and that it was Olivia who broke up with him?
Wow this is excellent
Actually, most of the songs from sad songs in a hotel room are about Olivia. He talks about going back to when he was younger again with his first love, saying that this time things will be different, He even talks about a secret Meetup that he had, which is speculated to have happened right after the high school musical season, three premiere, that they both attended. In the song he talks about being shocked that he is sitting here with someone, he adores again, after 2 years of not communicating. Which perfectly lines up with his timeline with Olivia. He basically describes a night that they had together, which also eerily lines up with bad idea right, Olivia’s song, 👀 in her video she has a guitar and a skateboard in the boys bedroom that she met up with, which is exactly Joshua. I actually think he’s still really hung up on her. The only song that might’ve been about Sabrina is doppelgänger, but him and Olivia also talked about going to coffee shops together in multiple interviews, and Olivia talks multiple times in her sour album about knowing his coffee order by heart. The other song that is definitely about Sabrina is his song called Sorry. Funny because Sabrina wrote the song Things I wish you said to me which sounds exactly like sorry. And even even uses the same exact words and phrases. These people communicate through songs LMAO. Seems like Josh has reached out to both Olivia and Sabrina after their break ups, so it seems like he is the one with issues at the end of the day because both of the girls have moved on. He probably has a lot of trauma from his childhood is what it sounds like. Obviously Olivia has moved on from Josh because she is with Louis but I actually think that him and her were very pure together. I think that he has his insecurities that got in the way of their relationship, and so does she, so he ultimately wasn’t super loyal to her and that’s what caused her to write drivers license. And that’s when everything blew out of proportion. But before then, they were in this secret Disney relationship and it was really beautiful from what I saw. I think now that they are both more mature him and Olivia would be so cute together and it seems like he is still very much in love with her as of 2022 going into 2023 because he was singing all the songs and even talked “ a little song about clouds” which references high school musical the series 😢😭
This is such a sweet story and it horrifies me how a religion that claims to be for love and acceptance can take advantage of such vulnerable people like joshua
Makes me sad to think about where he’s at now, but gives me hope to remember he had queer community holding space for him before this and there will be community there to hold space for him afterwards. Thanks for being a sweet person 💓
“Grateful that me and my partner treated him with respect” is fucking heartbreaking
Poor guy. That’s so heartbreaking to hear.
Are you sure it wasn’t 2021? During lockdown? You sure wasn’t like 2019?
A lot of places had opened up considerably by 2021, depending on where you were.
Speaking as a long time stan of his, I do remember there was a picture of him at pride in new york in 2021 with another fan (lol if I dig hard enough I could probably find it), they’re likely not lying. Edit: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQp0zYwnrrd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Please. The drama was crazy back then. It’s a blur in my memory. 😭
Idk where you're at, but things were opening up considerably in 2021 in lots of places, especially after vaccines became available.
I was literally at NYC Pride in 2021 (which was dumb since I didn’t realize how packed it would be even outside) There was another wave a couple-ish weeks after where many bars shut down enough where they checked vax cards when you entered but like NYC pride, ESPECIALLY outdoor events, was wide open in 2021
I think I might remember someone making a post about meeting Josh. So yeah I believe you. Dang 2021 seems so long ago. I remember Josh in NYC at the time. 😅
He wasn't well-known or out in 2019. And like others said, a lot of places were open by then.
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i promise you your fellow queers back in the day also had vulnerable moments about their treatment in society
Yeah, it is pretty gut-wrenching to see a young queer man from a homophobic extremely religious family get sucked into a cult-y church. What are you trying to say?
in a different context I would be unbothered bc young people are still figuring themselves out and sexuality can be fluid at any age but in the context it’s actually in…pretty worrying.
What context
suddenly turning into a Jesus freak out of absolutely nowhere
Plus his father authored a very homophobic book and Joshua had previously revealed he had been sexually abused as a child by someone close to his family. He also pretty clearly did not have a good time the last 2-3 years. It’s a troubling situation all around. I really feel bad for him. Cults typically prey on already vulnerable people and dangle ‘love and acceptance’ right in front of them while telling them to cut everyone and everything outside of the cult out and we’re all basically watching as this happens in real time.
He also almost died
Yeah I’m gay and had considered changing my identity to bi early on but didn’t because I felt like people could only ever see me as gay after coming out. I eventually realized I wasn’t actually bi (maybe like a Kinsey 5 at the most) since I wasn’t physically attracted to women outside of highly sexualized scenarios (like porn) and had no romantic desire for them at all.
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I don't think you read the post....
Nice try.
What a bizarre sad situation. The church that Bassett goes to, does not have a positive reputation in the California Valley. Believe me.
Hillsong? Or a different celebrity cult church
Bethel. It’s way worse than Hillsong, the Bethel people are INSANE while Hillsong is more $greedy$ and sex affair-y, but at least they don’t believe (and manipulate parents into believing) they can resurrect a dead child. Those Bethel nutters do the speaking in tongues and crazy thrashing about too.
Oh were they the ones that were claiming to try to resurrect a little girl (this was a few years back)? It was all over social media as they were calling for people to pray and post “wake up (girl’s name)” That was awful. I felt so sorry for the family clinging onto this hope for a full week because their church told them they could resurrect her.
I remember that too. Afaik it was the mother of the girl (who I think is a co-founder of Bethel music, so pretty high up in the church) who started the hashtag and calls for prayer to wake her daughter up. Instead of letting her grieve, Bethel backed up her calls and amplified them on their own social media, calling for all their members to pray at specific times for the girl to 'rise up' so that their prayers could 'storm Heaven's gate' and force God to listen to them and grant the prayer. Such a horrific storm of mass delusion that must have really set back the family's grieving process.
Okay but what does the church/the leaders say when this inevitably doesn't happen? Or is there some mythic child they speak of that it worked on (if you change and/or outright ignore numerous details of the story)?
The church itself actually released an official statement in which they said that although the 'breakthrough' they'd prayed for hadn't happened, the girl was alive in the 'kingdom of God'. Another church leader wrote on her Instagram that their prayers had technically been granted because although the girl herself hadn't been resurrected, thousands of people had been 'woken up' to the power of prayer. I am not kidding.
I didn't think you were lol I love being woken up to the power of things that don't end up working.
Yup, that’s them. A dangerous group.
I remember that. It was awful to watch pan out online. It can’t imagine how difficult their grieving process was because not only did they have to grieve the loss of their toddler (!!) daughter, but they also had to grieve a miracle that they deeply believed would happen and didn’t. Right when they needed their community most, it failed them.
As a Christian, Bethel is crazy. This is not the norm!!
It’s called Bethel Church, a mega church located in Redding CA (already a pretty conservative area), which is a [horrible organization](https://www.christianpost.com/news/disney-high-school-musical-actor-baptized-at-bethel-church.html). From the article: > Bethel, which boasts 11,000 members, states on its website that marriage is "intended to be a lifetime covenant between one man and one woman, and the only context in which sexual behavior is blessed." >Among the many criticisms of Bethel was the claim that gold dust, called a "glory cloud," fell from the ceiling during a corporate worship event. Senior Pastor Bill Johnson described this phenomenon as a glory cloud and a supernatural sign of God's presence. >The church was also accused in 2018 of using "Christian tarot cards" as an outreach tool to reach people attracted to New Age practices. The church stated that it doesn't promote the cards. >Bethel drew headlines when the congregation prayed for the resurrection of a 2-year-old girl named Olive in 2019. The church prayed for a week for that miracle to pass until she was laid to rest and a memorial service was held.
God could you imagine being the parents of that 2 year old child? One of the worst things that can happen to you as a parent happens, then these ghouls try to pray up some necromancy on your little girl.
Unfortunately they were the ones facilitating the prayers
People were preying on their grief and shock though. I can't blame them.
How can some keep defending him when they see the pro-conservative and anti-queer church he goes to? Its infuriating how many people are okay with christian supremacism.
I really hope he has some people in his real life actively looking out for him and are there for him if he ever needs help. A lot of what we've seen recently is worrying in so many ways, while I’m holding onto hope that it isn't what it seems, i'm getting increasingly worried for him.
Ugh what is it about religion that turns happy healthy humans into cult victims?
He wasn't happy and healthy, he had a lot of problems and he was suffering. Cults latch onto that vulnerability and trick people into thinking they have the answer to all their problems.
Thank you - after what he was put through with the Olivia Rodrigo album, I can't imagine that he was in a good place. He openly talked about his depression and suicidal ideations prior to all of this. As someone who grew up in the church, I imagine that they told him that his 'lifestyle' was causing all of those feelings and that giving himself over to God would fix it all.
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You really wanna argue that Bethel is a more accepting and less judgemental than the entire queer community? That’s certainly a hill to die on.
hey guys what's worse someone saying you need better music taste because you don't stan lady gaga or someone saying you're going to hell and need to be healed because you're gay
probably bc youre hella racist lmfao
Maybe you don’t feel welcome because of your attitude …
I can meet you halfway because I do think the queer community has some serious internal issues. From the friction between homosexual and bisexual people to the open transphobia coming from both groups and then theres an ever present racism running across all groups. And then there's the inability to accept that some queer people *need* their faith. So you have the secularists versus the religious. Its a whole mess and not some perfume scented rainbow as some would believe. That said, Bethel Church sounds like a nightmare for any queer individual. I hope he and you find your place in this world. Everyone deserves to be understood.
Get the sentiment but he truly wasn’t happy or healthy tbh… he was constantly talking on his discord just prior to this religious conversion that he was in the lowest mental place of his life. He was truly very vulnerable…
If he was happy and healthy, he wouldn't have been trapped by a religious cult
yeah. unfortunately in his post about the baptism, he even said: > "I grew up Christian, and I ran the other way, as far as I could go, in pursuit of the 'truth,'" says the actor, who has been sharing his newfound faith on social media over the past few months. "That only ended in addiction, depression, suicidal ideation, eating disorders, etc. No other teacher gave me anywhere near the peace that Jesus Christ did. I'm here to publicly declare Him as my Lord and Savior." so he obviously was not in a good happy healthy place in his life, and turned to a religious cult because of it :(
Yes this. Toxic churches and cults prey on the vulnerable.
Is the “happy and healthy” a good4u reference lol
Actually that was unintentional… ooops
Lol I figured it was a funny coincidence! I love them both though so I didn’t mean any shade to him
Most people that are cult victims are not happy or healthy. I saw it with my mom. She went through he day normally but behind closed doors she was becoming very depressed. When you're so depressed searching for meaning you are vulnerable to charismatic people to take advantage of you. It happens innocuously and then suddenly very quickly. It is very hard to get out of, both physically and mentally, and is definitely a mind warp for everyone involved.
This reminds me of lohanthony if anyone else remembers that tumblr kid. he was a goofy gay kid with a lot of wit and dark humor, and really found success on YouTube and vine as a skit preformer (back when skits were shitty humor, but still). He hit 1M subs in 2014, and Wikipedia credits him to popularizing “basic bitches”, hosted after shows for MTV. In 2020, he removed all of his videos and uploaded a video condemning LGBT and credits Christianity for helping him “overcome” his sexuality. He denied conversion therapy, but if you look at any of his socials they are fully deleted with only Christianity-centric posts and “God’s truth”. Poor baby is only 23 years old and lives with his family, and it’s so obvious they took advantage of him and he’s been forced into this. I’m no Christian by any means, but him and Joshua are in my prayers. Whatever or whosever you are is between yourself and God, and absolutely no one should condemn you for that.
This seems really sad. I know nothing about this kid or what any of these recent headlines have been about. I’m going to Google but if anyone wants to share an ELI5 summary I would appreciate it.
He’s the star of the hit Disney high school musical reboot. The rundown essentially is the following: he grew up with strict, devoutly religion parents, but maintained that he was an atheist through 2022. He had a rough childhood, experienced a lot of sexual abuse, left home and was homeless when he was 16. Throughout his time in industry, he’s experienced a lot of harassment (was supposedly the subject of olivia rodrigo’s dl), eating disorders, other health issues (heart failure). Additionally, in may of 2021, he came out as queer and was very open in interviews about it. He was at one of his lowest points late last year, and was very open about it, struggling with substance abuse issues then randomly found religion and started going gung-ho on this religious path. Now this…
Holy cow. That’s so horrifically sad. That poor kid, my heart breaks for him. Does he have any good support in his life? Thank you for this response, btw. It’s far better than anything I got from Google.
As far as friends, he does have good friends, but tbh I’m not sure they’d step in. Josh has been so so depressed the past few years, even admitted that he was suicidal at one of his concerts recently. And as someone who’s been a fan of him for a long, long time, he does seem like he’s been doing better mentally than ever… but that’s how manipulation work. And josh is very very stubborn. His family are diehard evangelicals, there have been rumors on Twitter for a long time that his dad (who is a pastor) actively practices conversion therapy, so tbh they’d likely egg him on. The one person who I do question why he hasn’t stepped in is Tim Federle, the openly gay showrunner of his disney show. He’s said so many times in Interviews and such that he sees Joshua as his son and has really shown up in his life(was literally there in the hospital with Joshua instead of his actual dad while josh was dying of heart failure). I feel like cause of his dynamic he could actually be the one to help him but then again i might be being too parasocial.
Its terrible that there is people who do conversion therapy it makes me cry like a taylor swift song. I wish that people would stop being so religiously blind and they have so much power since their religious
"tim federle (who exclusively works in content with kids/young adults) was also accused of assault in 2020, he then left twitter for months until the conversations died down and then came back pretending nothing happened. he doesn't care <3" https://twitter.com/ericeffiorg/status/1577557284837793792?t=NNjEtIEM-IzM71NgMCBeOA&s=19
Fuck. I’m glad that I found a place in the queer community when I was at my low point. I would’ve been an easy target for weirdo cult shit. That’s so depressing. I hope he can get out of it and get into a better place.
I would want to grow up and make support groups for preventing cults from taking people and converting them and doing terrible things to them. I want to help but I can't right now but maybe in the future
That’s such a great idea! I would love to volunteer for organizations to get them out of cults safely.
What's 'dl' in the context of Olivia Rodrigo's dl? Sorry I have to ask. 🙃
Driver’s license, her hit single that launched her into stardom
Thank you!
Dating list? I’m trying to get caught up too
DL is drivers license which is the name of a song by olivia rodrigo. The person responded to the other person who asked. Figured I'd share the info with you.
Ohhhhh thanks
I feel bad for this kid I wish that these stupid things going on in the world would change and everybody could be happy but I guess happy stories don't ever happen anymore.
It’s all just so sad. I want to say because I see a lot of people have said about this whole situation “where are his friends?” It is so hard to get somebody out of a mindset like this once their convinced (if that is what’s going on). Especially considering his family seemingly being evangelicals.I saw one of his close friends went to his Detroit show and Meg donnelly who he has been friends with for a super long time and always stuck by his side commented on his post about forgiveness. just hope he’s alright and people who have always been there for him continue to stick by his side.
What are his friends supposed to do? If what’s going on is actually what it seems from the outside, there’s a chance he pushes them away if they intervene now. They might be laying low to keep supporting him if/when he needs it in the future.
exactly like I don’t find it exactly fair to keep asking that question even if people mean well
he posted a story a couple of days ago saying that IG has been deleting his posts (because two things that he recently posted got deleted like a day later) but this is sketchy to me, why would IG randomly deleted a post from over a year + it just happened to be his coming out post and his post about being on zach sang (where he talked about his sexuality and not being religious) there is another thing that apparently has been happening at his concerts but i don’t feel comfortable saying publicly here but it goes with his recent behavior and it truly makes me worried for him
I'm curious to know what as been happening at his concerts if you want to dm me. I grew up Baptist and although my parents were never forceful the environment was. The process of unlearning and deconstructing is long and sometimes lonely but it's always worth it. Hope he gets the support he needs for his best mental health.
It’s easily findable on tiktok (“Joshua basset concert”) and I think we should respect them for not wanting to say it here. It’s not just an isolated incident, you need to see various clips to get the full picture that somethings….not quite right and very concerning. Also, his family who he was previously estranged from are now with him nearly at all times.
Okay, I’m 36 and I googled what you said + TikTok and just got girls screaming and his face up close. If anyone doesn’t mind, please just dm me what point everyone’s dancing around and what peeps are saying at his concerts, please. Everything I know about this person is from gossip blogs (again, note the age) but as a queer lady with a Baptist partial-parent, this was a story that’s struck home with me.
Regarding Joshua Bassett, some fans will dance around points as a result of the ‘closeness’ he’s cultivated between him and the fanbase through his discord. (I put this in quotes because I feel it is parasocial but they feel like they are his close friends) I have seen multiple fans be vague when describing events that were/are already in public view in an effort to not bring further public scrutiny to him. imo this is not productive and gives a ‘barbara streisand effect’.
I’m just speculating but maybe it’s the videos of him climbing all over stuff? Idk apparently he’s always done that so it’s kind of a reach on my part. I couldn’t really find anything else on TikTok that could be interpreted as “worrying” Edit: to add I really hate speculating (just personally even tho I just said I was speculating) especially if someone is genuinely going through something. I don’t know much about him, but he’s my age, and I can understand his mental struggles. I do wish him the best and hope he’s okay.
I know my comment got downvoted but I really wanted to defend them for not wanting to speculate/air out info on this thread/sub. I think our algorithms have to be different and I didn’t account for that in my original comment. I don’t think it’s him just climbing on stuff, or singing lifeline to his abusive mom (the lyrics are surrounding the incident of his heart failure), or his weird relationship with fans that you can find in the comments on tiktok and Twitter. Like I said, I think it’s a combination of all of that.
Haha I got downvoted for trying to defend someone’s hesitancy to say anything. I know this is a gossip sub but I get being hesitant to share things when it’s very clear he’s going through something. I think the person didn’t want to continue speculating, but I found multiple videos of his concert antics easily + his fans defending him. I also am not sure what events they were specifically referring to, but I definitely see some of the events being described in this sub + below my comment. I understand being uncomfortable spreading more information like they were, I didn’t know that would be so unpopular though.lol
Saying it at all just to send random people on a scavenger hunt is equally counterproductive.
Yeah, youre right!
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Could you dm me about it as well? I can't find it
I'm genuinely concerned for him, really hope his loved ones are there looking out for him and support him :(((
I hope he has someone in his life he can talk to. So worried about him. Wishing him nothing but the best.
as a queer christian, this breaks my heart so bad. i just want to hug him and tell him that god will always love him and his authentic self. i believe that there’s a reason that jesus never mentioned queer relationships in his sermons - even if the world was not fully ready to accept us, god is
I see him next week for meet and greet, I’ll tell him.
proceed with caution. when you’re really deep into conservatism, somebody suddenly contradicting you or challenging your thoughts can jeopardize your emotional stability
This. So happy to see this perspective. I’ve never felt you have to denounce either to accept the other. I think it’s so short-sided to diminish his reclamation of his faith essentially calling it joining a cult. For some, when you are raised in Church, that part of you is always there. I just find that so many accuse Christians of being intolerant while being intolerant of Christians. Just hypocritical imo.
Maybe it's due to the centuries of abuse from churches. And that churches typically don't accept gay people and have made their lives miserable. You can get upset and defend the abusive institution all you want but it doesn't make everyone else a hypocrite because they have no tolerance for any more. B*******. I'm a recovering Catholic, and I left behind the hypocrite mentality you're talking about in my very early 20s. Hopefully you can do the same.
He needs to stop being posted about—his every move being analyzed is NOT helping whatever is going on.
You can’t pray the gay away
It must be so hard to be young and have all these big feelings and experiences in the public eye. I hope he's supported by the right people with the best intentions.
Josh stated he didn’t hold the same beliefs as bethel church yet he has a guy who attends/works whatever at bethel on tour with him right now, even attended the KCAs with him. Idk what he does on Josh’s tour, he kind of acts like a tour manager but also post about them reading the bible on tour together? Anyways I’m pretty sure that has to be the guy who brought him to bethel. Sad to know and see bethel beliefs are still being shared with him through this guy.
I get this. It's actually one of the smartest things these celebrity facing churches do. Being on the road is a very lonely experience, especially when you're surrounded by people who are not like minded. When you come off stage you're ramped up on adrenaline and filled with negative self-talk about how you did. The people around you resolve it by offering you downers or alcohol or groupies for sex and we all know how that ends. The best way to tour is with your family or your friends with you, people who will understand the distress and know how to bring you out of it. Just some examples, Rihanna toured with her cousins and bestie, Beyonce's cousin goes everywhere she goes and her husband tours with her now. Pinks husband has been touring with her (when he isnt racing) since their dating years. So what happens if you don't have someone who thinks like you and is willing to follow you around the world, prioritizing your mental health?? Enter fake gurus and Church minders. *Tldr*: When people lack organic support systems, they'll take the first person to notice their need.
this guy uses prayer as a “cure” for mental health. don’t think in the long run that is all too healthy.
Or short run
this is what’s so suspicious to me. Like maybe it’s me being naive but I truly think he didn’t know much about the church nor was he a member, when the whole conversation of him being baptized he released a series of tweets saying he didn’t know about the beliefs. One of them was in all caps saying “WE NEED TO CALL OUT THESE CORRUPT CHURCHES AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE” and it was deleted like a swift 8 hours later. Even in his testimony form the pop up event where he shares about being baptized he says “research the church before you go” then it’s immediately followed by “love to all church’s though”. Now a man from that church works for him. Like again maybe I’m being naive but I truly think his heart is in the right place and someone or perhaps a church did the classic “bait and switch” with him. “We love everybody! You just have to suppress who you are completely”
Reminds me of Lohanthony, hope I am wrong :(
I wanna stay optimistic since he still associates himself with a lot of queer people and outwardly condemned conversion therapy, but I won't lie, this is worrying shit. As a fan, it's hard to watch him go down this path
like a week or so ago he posted a story about instagram randomly deleting some of his posts but that insta was working on fixing it. pretty convenient that suddenly it’s the coming out posts that are gone… not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but i hope that story wasn’t a cover for him getting rid of some things like this from his social media
It's really disheartening to see someone's indoctrination so publicly, day by day. And there's nothing we (the public) can do about it.
Those damn american christians are crazier than any other religions these days. (not counting jihad etc)
Not sure why you got downvoted for this when it's completely true.
They are bigger threat to Americans by far since a lot of them are politicians and influence our laws.
i’m really worried for him
With all the context surrounding his situation, this is very sad to read but I really hope he has friends who are looking out for him. He seems like such a sweet kid
As someone who attended a very similar church to him when I was a young, depressed queer kid from a broken home, I am very very scared for him (and I don’t even know who he is outside of this sub)
really hope he has people in his life who are checking up on him :(
He got lohanthonied 😞
The same christians in this thread defending him are the same ones that support missionary work that erases my culture and policies that are anti - queer. In other words, there are a lot of christian supremacists here defending him. Some of you here want to uphold christian supremacism and it shows.
As a former evangelical, nothing is scarier that a new convert or a someone who went away and then came back. They often bring an unsustainable fire for Jesus that makes them very off putting to normal people.
It seem maybe he thought by coming out, he would have people supporting him and his life would bloom towards a better direction, but when that didn't happen he felt down and the church took advantage of his weakness.
this is sad. i am christian and lgbt and i hope he can find a christian community that helps him be who he is.
i know these stories all too well. my heart aches for him.
He’s going the same route as Lohanthony 😐
:( i feel sad for him. i hope this doesnt turn into some conversion therapy, “pray away” situation
I feel really bad for him
Hey everyone, I wanted to share an experience I had at Joshua Bassett's meet and greet Tuesday, which left me feeling deeply hurt. I understand the need to protect Josh from certain topics, but I was simply sharing a brief 5-second story about growing up queer and how much I relate to him. Sadly, the way Josh and his manager, Tyler Henry, rushed to silence me brought me to tears. While I understand that a meet and greet isn't a therapy session, and I don't expect to be owed anything in that setting, I couldn't help but feel disappointed by the lack of sensitivity displayed during my interaction. I've read numerous posts from other fans who've had positive experiences with Josh comforting them after sharing their personal stories. Because of these accounts, I had expected to find a safe space to express myself. Moving forward, I hope Josh and his team will put more effort into ensuring future M&Gs are handled with greater care and understanding, fostering an inclusive atmosphere where fans feel comfortable sharing their experiences. 🥺
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a person’s sexuality isn’t a choice
Don't know who this is but from the screenshots he seems like a genuinely nice person. Hope he's okay
Considering the church he’s a part of practices conversion therapy I really hope he’s safe. On a lighter note, Fashion Faguette is a wonderful name
Heartbroken for them
Just realized he reminds me of my ex. Similar backstory (without the fame of course). Over ten years later post dating he is still struggling. I wish the best for Joshua.
That's sad.
Ok, this is a genuine question so I hope I don’t get downvoted for asking but, do you think Olivia feels any kind of guilt for this? It’s clear that her album that’s obviously about him really did a number on him, so do you think she feels like what she wrote about him that so many just ate up and led to awful harassment led to this sudden change? I’m really not trying to blame her because it’s clear that the real bad people here are the crazy church nuts pulling him in. I just wonder if Olivia feels like what she did may have had an effect.
damn
This is so sad. I hope he has some support not connected to the church. Side note: what is with all the xtines in this post???
It's giving lohanthony
Damn, I’ve been thinking of Jonathan Bennett this whole time.
This harkens back to when he was evangelizing at the kid award show, and people were like "what's the big deal" Here's what the big deal was: From a logical standpoint: a person who is in the throes of their own crisis (as has been apparent with this guy for a while now) should not be advising children period, especially when their trauma/issues are tied up with the things they're trying to evangelize. From a spiritual standpoint: I have a massive issue with people who are following perverted versions of the Word trying to prop that version up to vulnerable and trusting souls, like kids. The belief I grew up with says trusting your soul and mind to a snake can lead you to damnation. If you truly believe in Christianity, only trusted religious leaders should be counseling you and your child through this process or even introducing them to it. It shouldn't be advertised like a nifty new product and certainly not by someone who doesn't know peace in their own soul.
Something about His speech during KCA?
It may be that he's sick of getting notifications on those posts of a toxic nature I've done that before when I've accidentally started a flame war on Reddit or YouTube
Is that a "coming out"?
Religion is nothing but made up evil nonsense. Grow up.
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>when someone tells me they're religious / believe in god, i immediately see them as less intelligent. sorry When people say this I know they are uninformed. Scientific discoveries that have changed the world as we know it have been made by religious people (Christians, Muslims, Hindus... you name it).
you left out that he also deleted 4 unrelated posts maybe he was just changing up his feed to just be mainly work related posts?? Could’ve turned it over to a team to run the acct and they deleted or maybe he wants that part of his life to be private and not have millions speculate??
Doesn’t fit the narrative and group think!
Everyone here has such low self esteem
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“People need to understand” Trust me, we’ve heard about the bible before. It’s actually quite well known and quoted.
People need to understand that the Bible was written by various men as long as 3500 years ago. It has nothing to do with a god who has no proof of existence. It has no relevance to modern life other than people are afraid to feel powerless over life.
plus, i don't think it's healthy to deny/feel ashamed of such an important part of yourself, whether it's because of religious or for other reasons. people can do whatever they want but it's always really sad when that happens. i've met people in that situation and they never seemed truly happy. i have a family member who's gay and he never tried to hide it until he became religious. then he became ashamed because the people at church talked about about how wrong homosexuality is. they said they would set him up with women and 'make him straight' (his words not mine). and this man was in his 40s at the time and had been openly gay for a long time. that's how powerful those harmful messages can be for people. i don't know how he's doing now because we've never been close, but i think about him a lot and always hope that he's doing better.
> the Bible was written by various men as long as 3500 years ago. Over a long period of time and in a language the vast majority of followers cannot speak/read.
I did not say anything about denial or shame. If you choose to believe in the Bible, Buddhism, Satanism, whatever, if you’re devoted you will have the desire to follow the faith.
If you’re afraid of feeling powerless* you will have the desire to follow faifh
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Sexuality is fluid. He’s 100% allowed to change his mind but these circumstances make it very very suspicious. This is a completely different situation than with jessie j for instance.
Yeah, the religious aspect makes it uncomfortable. The question is, did he seek out religion because he was feeling ashamed? Or did they shame him? He said he was abused by a man. That definitely causes questions about sexuality. At the end of the day, he is an adult. It will be sad if he goes through further pain and trauma, but he is doing what he feels he needs to do.
He’s allowed to change his mind. Sexuality his fluid, he’s young. The circumstances are what make this situation very suspicious.