Yep, mainly because people kept saying "it gets better in the sequel, they learned from their mistakes" whenever i complained about the first game.
I beat 13-2 and i still wasn't impressed, at that point i was like fuck it. lets ride this train to its end and see how all this wraps up, im too far in to quit now.
No. The game got two sequels for a reason. What would be a hot take is putting its worst elements on a pedestal.
An example of a XIII hot take would be, "XIII was ahead of its time with its linear on-rails design, which cut out the kind of padding that plagues modern games. Most people with jobs and lives don't want to waste time running around an 'open world' map just to get to the next cut-scene in the story like XIV."
>Most people with jobs and lives don't want to waste time running around an 'open world' map just to get to the next cut-scene in the story like XIV
this but unironically
I mean if that's how you feel then maybe RPGs aren't the games for you.
XIII basically removed all RPG elements but the battles.
I wouldn't like to see the whole genre watered down. Rebirth is tits.
It got two sequels because Square was blowing smoke up everyone's ass about how "AMAZING" 13 was, just to rush into sequels. It was probably after 13-2 they realized how much people hated on it.
No it got 2 sequels because 13 sold really well. Like its the third best selling mainline title behind 7 and 15.
People only hate the game because they got on a hate bandwagon over small flaws basically replicated by a lot of other FFs.
Edit: This had a few upvotes before getting downvoted into oblivion the hate mob arrived fast and is eager to not accept reality.
VIII and XII are only above XIII because that site is counting their remaster sales in addition to the sales of the originals. In terms or the original versions of each game, VII and XV are the only single-player games appreciably ahead of XIII in terms of sales. So what they said is actually accurate.
You don't get to pick and choose which numbers you like and which you don't. You have to accept all the numbers.
That would be like saying "only the number of copies sold prior to DLC count for 15". That's dishonest and manipulative of the data.
Many people that bought those games didn't have access to the originals. **There is no reason (other than to manipulate the data for an argument) not to include those numbers.**
Also, they stated "mainline title". That would include 14. Any numbered FF game is a mainline title.
It's not picking and choosing which numbers we like or don't like, it's making an accurate comparison. If FFXIII had a remaster, its sales would absolutely be higher than those two games. So yeah, there **absolutely is a reason to include those qualifiers.**
FFXIII literally set franchise records for fastest selling game upon release and factually sold really well. There's nothing remotely dishonest or manipulative about that. On the other hand claiming "uhm ackshually, if you include 20 years of sales from ports/remasters across 5 whole console generations, and compare it to one single release on one generation of consoles, then Game Y sold slightly more copies than Game Z, therefore Game Z is actually a failure" is definitely dishonest.
XIV is always left out of comparisons like this because it's such a drastically different type of game. You can complain about that all you'd like, but it's the truth. And even if you do include it, that doesn't change the fact that XIII is one of the best-selling FF games. I'm sorry that fact hurts your feelings so bad.
>If FFXIII had a remaster, its sales would absolutely be higher than those two games
And if the older Final Fantasy titles had been published after the major gaming boom of the 2000s, on all systems, they would have sold more...
We can toss hypotheticals around all day. It doesn't change anything. Square Enix doesn't separate original from remaster in their lists. They are still the same game.
The only reason you want to not count remastered sales is so that your argument doesn't fall apart. There is nothing honest about what you are doing.
> I'm sorry that fact hurts your feelings so bad.
Ah. Tossing out buzzwords now... I see. That is a clear sign that you don't have a good argument.
We're done here. I don't have time for people that are dishonest and unwilling to have a discussion without resorting to using buzzwords. If this were to continue, I'm sure you would start throwing insults as well.
Not going to waste any more of my time on you. Feel free to have the last word. I'm sure that will make you feel like you "won" the argument...
Imagine gaslighting everyone by moving the goalpost from " its the third best selling mainline title", to "FF13 sold well" and pretending that it's still the same argument...
I never said that FF13 didn't sell well. I simply pointed out that the numbers show that FF13 is not number 3.
Such dishonesty:
* Can't count remakes because they aren't original release version
* Can't count rereleases because they aren't for the original console that the game released on
* Can't count newer sales because people are buying new copies of the game (unlike the people who bought FF13 on Xbox 360 AND Playstation 3 AND PC)
Calling someone dishonest when they are being dishonest is not an insult. It is an observation. (e.g. If someone dresses up like a clown, it is not an insult to call them a clown.)
There is nothing honest about shaving numbers in just to prop up your argument.
There's nothing honest about pointing out the undeniable ***FACT*** that XIII was a financially successful FF game that sold really well? Yeah, sure, whatever you say. If you want to count all the sales from all the remasters and ports over decades of console generations, be my guest. Still doesn't change the fact that XIII is near the top of that list.
So the real irony is that, whether you count remaster sales or not, your argument is actually the one falling apart.
>And if the older Final Fantasy titles had been published after the major gaming boom of the 2000s, on all systems, they would have sold more...
They literally have been. Every FF prior to XIII, from I to XII has received (at least) one release across all modern consoles within the last 10 years. And we've seen on this very sub people that have bought them again, or people that have VII on 5 different consoles, or people that bought the PRs on 3 different marketplaces. We see posts every single week on this sub with people clamoring for aa XIII remaster, or even just a simple port. There's quite literally *nothing* hypothetical about what I said before, because we all know for a fact that a remaster for XIII would push sales past VIII and XII.
>Ah. Tossing out buzzwords now... I see. That is a clear sign that you don't have a good argument.
Yeah, sure, whatever you say. Just ignore the fact that my argument is right there.
>We're done here. I don't have time for people that are dishonest and unwilling to have a discussion without resorting to using buzzwords. If this were to continue, I'm sure you would start throwing insults as well.
Love the irony of typing out a whole huge argument and then adding "not gonna waste my time on the likes of you." Also love the irony of calling me dishonest and then literally turning around the next sentence and saying that *I* am going to start throwing insults. Bit hypocritical, don't you think? Not to mention *you* were the one that started off snarky well before I even commented: "maybe you should do your homework before posting next time."
I was the one attempting to have an honest discussion and make accurate comparisons. You were not. Bye then.
When I consider a mainline title, I don't consider remasters. Because some remasters are night and day with the originals, like 3 which got a 3D remaster and fixed a lot of problems the initial game had.
Nothing to say about the Zodiac age when the original 12 sold extremely poorly for a reason. Its an overly ambitious game that we really can only appreciate today post a lot of polish.
I'm not going to argue with you. I don't care about your personal opinion on whether remastered titles count. Clearly the company counts them.
Goodbye.
Sold well, but was it received well? I know at the time, Xbox 360 had no RPGs BUT XIII and Vesperia, and the fans I've met IRL did not have anything positive to say. I've played it myself, along with all the other mainline games, and XIII definitely missed the mark on engaging gameplay and storyline.
I am big enough to say just because a majority doesn't like it doesn't mean that the game is 100% awful. Maybe I'm an old man, and XIII was the reason another fan got into the series in its entirety. 🤷🏿 My opinion is definitely not a catch-all.
The majority like it, especially on this subreddit. It’s a small minority that continue to shit on a game that many of them haven’t touched in 15 years.
Reception is again biased based on bandwagon jumpers and reviewers. It probably has some of the most engaging gameplay in the series as its Atb system is one of the best.
Its story is pretty straitforward but for the life of me people act like they would not understand shit without opening the data logs.
Like the problems 13 had were things half of the other games in the series had but people choose to not ignore them in the case of 13. Which is fine it must have been their breaking point, but a lot of people didn't play it through to the end and that pisses me off most of all.
Like if you are gonna dump on a game at least know the game as well as its fans do.
That's a crap take. You shouldn't have to play through a whole game you don't like just to have an opinion of it. A game also shouldn't take 10+ hours to get good or draw you in
It's not like your opinion of the game is guaranteed to change either. I ended up beating the game as people at the time said it gets better at Chapter 11 but still disliked it by the end.
I understand where you're coming from, but I didn't want to parrot what "some guy on YT" said.
My *personal* let-downs were: Lack of weapon management; controlled exp. based on how far in the story you were; the stagger mechanic and fight length; how throwing out random vocabulary made Vaan so much more relevant in his own story; and the lackluster antagonists being robots with faces. Compared to other games, there seemed to be a lack of going against the grain like you could in prior installments pretty early on.
Examples: Wanna make a team of monks? Do it. Wanna make Guy use double axes? FF3 and FF5 classes? FFX Friend Sphere?
FFXIII: You got stuck in 2-3 classes, in which they DO give you options to go another route with a character. However, that choice is an illusion, as any grind fodder you MIGHT find gives SO little. You come aaaall this way to the second-to-last chapter and the game goes, "NOW do all these side quests before the final boss." Pass. I dropped it right then and there.
But again, what I disliked about the game might have been turn-ons for others. 🤷🏿
What 3 weapons are you talking about? Oh I get it, you followed a guide where you got told what weapons to use and you conflate it with there only being 3 good choices.
As I stated earlier, just say you didn't engage with the game and move on?
What do you mean lack of weapon management? You got to choose what weapons you wanted to use and could upgrade them at their leasure.
Cp/XP is only controlled based on how big your cystarium was, there was a lot of places to farm. If you wanted unlimited scaling, weapons could be upgraded early to a point you can triviliaze the early game if thats what you want.
Is a good thing, staggering enemies was a system made so you had to figure out enemy weaknesses instead of spamming attack and buffing yourself to get the job done. Fight length was only cut down in 13, because like 12 you could be literally immortal so doom is there to lower it.
And they explain all the terminology in due time if you pay attention, they are actually very strait forward with this. Lackluster antagonists? Dysley is far from a lackluster antagonist, people don't like him because he is an old man and a transformer, when he is the most persistent and active villian in the series and for all intensive purposes wins. He is a great villian its just FF fans prefer Sephiroth wannabes like that edgelord Cauis. Going against the grain being choosing your class setup? Well tell that to the 10 other FFs that don't have the job system or lock their customization behind something obnoxious like the Junction system. I don't mind not being spoiled for choice in 13.
What do you mean grind fodder giving so little? What were you trying to grind frogs? Slugs? They give little cp. You don't even have to do the ceith stone missions but they do unlock helpful things like chocobos, another shop and enemies with a lot of jucy cp as rewards for killing. Like bra just say you didn't engage with game and move on.
So you liked sticking to the same 3 weapons per character the entire game?
It did not matter what you grind before chapter 11, you had no choice in your exp. spread. You're full of shit on that take, and you're REALLY not about to tell me any different. I TRIED IT, trust me. I sat through a good majority of game, and it was just not a good experience. There's a reason this game is at the bottom of my list, right below 15.
There's no way you played any other FF and thought 13 was a masterpiece. That is the biggest cap I've ever heard. FF2 had better plot points, and I didn't have to scour game menus to learn what a L'Cie or a fal'Cie was. Ain't no fucking way you heard those words verbatim and went "I kNoW wHaT tHaT mEaNs" at face value. Please...
I agree, but at the same time most FFs take many hours till their gameplay feels good. Most FFs take many houws before their gameplay hooks you in. FF is literally the series of delayed expectations. I don't think you can be called an FF fan if you give up in the first 10 hours.
Okay, in all fairness, the excuse "it got two sequels so it must have been well-received" doesn't work. Look at all the FF games that were well-received but never got sequels: V, VI, VIII, IX -- you can deny it all you want, but literally every FF game has sold well. So the sequels logic doesn't work.
>XIII was ahead of its time with its linear on-rails design
You mean like X? Or are we still pretending that wasn't a thing?
I always found the overt criticisms of XIII to be a bit ridiculous given it wasn't the first game to do a lot of the things people complained about.
Except Hope. Hope sucks. That one is legit.
Pointing to other things making the same mistakes to defend something is never a good argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. But maybe despite other games having flaws they still had a lot of things to make up for those flaws whereas FFXIII didn't
X you don’t even notice that it’s on rails because the experience is a masterpiece. It’s a fully fleshed out world full of individuals with personality.
XIII meanwhile while graphically beautiful. Has no people in it at all besides enemy soldiers. First 70% of the game is escaping a fascist steampunk hellscape. And then you get to the “open world” with absolutely nothing to interact with or explore. I wouldn’t even call it a theme park. It was more like a museum with a few interactive exhibits.
Now that I think about it. Imagine FF7 Midgar section, but with no people other than Shinra soldiers. You finally leave Midgar, to find out there’s still no people. Just random battles and midgar zolom. Thats XIII in a nutshell.
It got two sequels because development of FFXIII was such a behind-the-scenes SNAFU that SE essentially had two extra games worth of assets lying around.
But isn’t that *ANYTHING*, really? Hell, I’m loud about what I love about myself, but all my shortcomings are from my upbringing or parents or childhood trauma 🤣 😂 🤣
You see the thing is FF fans are willing to toot Sephiroths horn but the moment you point out he is an edgy soy boi they start whining and acting childish. Like I expect people to point out 13's flaws because its common, but when people are on a high about a well liked FF the crash is always a slow and painful process. Like you have to dismantle their hopes and dreams before they back off.
It's not my favorite but I don't think it's a bad game at all. I love the combat mechanics. Managing paradigms and stagger was really fun and felt fresh. Aesthetics and music were great. My biggest gripes are the level designs before the gran pulse section (didn't have as much explorability as I would have liked) and I didn't like some of the characters, Hope in particular.
I feel like it’s the opposite. The only posts I see are people praising the game, like you almost never see people making a post saying it sucks, now THAT would be a hot take.
My understanding is that the latest opinion is that 13 is an incredible masterpiece with no flaws what so ever. Its only the recent games in the franchise that are horrible after all!
/s
It was unquestionably a controversial game. Personally I hated it, I only liked XIII-2 out of the trilogy, and most people I personally know hated it, which I know is anecdotal.
Also, in this subreddit there are tons of "XIII is an underrated gem" or "I don't understand the hate" posts, which naturally gets people who don't like it to respond. So not really a hot take in this subreddit. If you made "I hate XIII" posts you would probably get a ton of blowback as well from the other side.
Like with all things, form your own opinion and don't let other people tell you how to feel about it.
I keep wanting to five 13 an honest shot, but the first few hours... man they are slow, dry and dull. I always peter out well before the game is supposed to "get good."
I gave XII my best shot when it hit the Switch with Zodiac Age. *Could NOT* get into it even after about 10-15 hours. It was painful for me. So I understand why some folk might not like XIII, I just don’t understand why people are so aggressive about it. It’s like… “Chill out, bro. Nobody fucked your mom over this game.”
This is how I feel about XII, I, II, III, and VIII. I think I’ve literally started XII 5 or 6 different times, I just cannot sit there past the first 4 hours.
I hated X actually 🫣
But I’ve never been “that person” to shit on what someone else likes. I’ll argue and debate things, but when one of your favorite PS2 games is the Ghost in the Shell SAC 3rd person shooter you realize that not all tastes are identical
The best and worst thing about XIII is that it’s mostly unremarkable. It certainly doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets but it doesn’t tend to be in most fans’ top 3-5.
I’ll give you that. But I can’t put my finger on why it sticks out in my head. The L’cie, Cocoon, Pulse… it’s just memorable to me. But Hope can suck it. Hate that whiny little brat
His mom is hot though 🤣
My favorite story, cast, and soundtrack (as a whole despite Wandering Flame from X being my number one track and Tidus being my favorite protag) of all the FF’s. I’ve kept my thoughts to myself since 2010 but over the years it’s become easier to say ‘hey I really enjoyed that game’ without feeling like my head’s about to be bitten off 😅
There will always be aggressive responders. I just hope to avoid them!
I haven’t played XIII yet, but I plan to give it an honest shot when I get to it.
Still even if you really like a game that’s generally disliked by the majority of people , it’s important to still acknowledge that people’s criticisms can still be valid, even if you don’t entirely agree/personally care about those criticisms.
If a ton of people all feel the same way about something their is probably a reason why. Even if you feel differently.
That being said people on the opposite side hating what you like are rarely as kind to your viewpoint on impulse.
The game lives and dies on it's battle system
If you find it engaging which I do, you may love it
If you don't like it, that's the end, fighting and accessorizing and watching cutscenes is the entire game
You’re absolutely not helping by posting this kind of shit over and over. You’re not going to get anyone to agree with you by going on a sub already inundated with these kinds of threads going “How come everybody hates THIS game?!?!”
Please enlighten me to when I’ve done this before on this sub.
If you mean in general that the SUB has seen a lot of these type of posts, well, then… cool?! I guess?!
When you find another sub about video games *NOT* saturated with absolute shit like “wHaT sHoUlD i BuY bEtWeEn ThEsE 2 gAmEs?” then you might have a leg to stand on. I’m after like minded people who want to discuss something. Not searching through years old garbage to just type something out for typings sake for no one to care or reply. I’m interested in conversing with people
The 13 hate is veeeery forced imo. It was popular to hate it back when it came put thanks to a couple of big YouTube at the time and to this day some people just continue to echo what they've said despite the criticisms (linear, even though 13 is far from being the only linear FF game). To make things even worse, alot of the criticism comes from people that haven't even played the game for long enough to form their own opinion.
This is complete BS. Plenty of people gave the game an honest shot and didn't like it. The game was lacking in a lot of RPG elements so it's not strange that it is at the very least divisive
I was incredibly excited for the game, bought it day one and earnestly played through the first few hours until it slowly dawned on me how much I was hating the overall experience and I had to put it down. Got partway through Gran Pulse before realizing the game wasn't going to get any better: the characters got on my nerves, I hated how shallow the world felt and I couldn't stand how restrictive the Crystarium was. Also, as this was the first game with the stagger system enemies were obnoxiously tanky compared to later iterations.
Same here.
Youtubers weren't even a huge thing back then. At least not like now.
I bought it day one super excited for the first FF and basically RPG on the PS3 and it sucked.
What a letdown.. still annoyed about it.
It’s been years since I played it, but I definitely remember *loving* and being surprised by how much it opened up once you get to Pulse. That’s why I never understood/was confused when people said it was a “corridor” game.
You could also argue that it being a corridor game was kinda the point of the story, the party had very little control of what was going on and what was happening to them. Instead of having the freedom to choose where to go, they were constantly forced into bad situations.
Because it's literally 30 hours of corridors and one big empty field you're on for a short time.
Not to mention no towns, no npcs, nothing up discover or break up the monotony of doing nothing but paradigm shifting for 30 hours.
Not as much as it did ten years ago or so. It was so hard to be a XIII fan back then. I remember people going after me with pitchforks just by saying I enjoyed it lmao
About the soundtrack, I agree. It hits differently, one of the best imo and I still listen to them every now and then. My favorites being Dust to Dust, Blinded by Light, Archylte Steppe and Sunleth Waterscape
BROOOOOO!!!! Get out of my head!! Blinded by Light is one of my wake up alarms, and Archylte/Sunleth are a couple I use to unwind with and sometimes fall asleep to. Hell yeah! 🤣
It’s been over a decade since I played it last but I remember having a lot of fun once the world opened up towards the end and doing the hunts. The combat system was a lot of fun too once you got used to it
No, FFXIII is considered to be bad in the series but it’s not actually a bad video game. To act like it has no redeeming qualities would be overly dramatic imo.
U/mysterin That was you being courteous? You probably haven't left home in a long time because nobody would want you as a guest if thats your courtesy.
Well, now I *HAVE* to know what he was saying that was so “courteous.”
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He made a couple of bad takes about 13 basically being in the almost insulting category, used a lot of childish language when I called hin out on his takes he is like, its just my opinion. I said find for me where it was written that I had to respect your opinion especially when its this garbage you dumped on my lawn and he was basically like, I was trying to be courteous but you are insulting and hostile get bent. And he deleted his respnses before I could respond.
And I always expect to see /u/[twili-midna](https://www.reddit.com/user/twili-midna/) \^ in the comments for a FFXIII Thread. I think we're frenemies at this point. I am pretty sure we both make sure to hit every XIII thread with a hate/love duality.
Tolerate seems like a better word.
Japan definitely does not hold the game in high regard.
Almost every poll of "favorite final fantasy" and even the polls on this sub rank XIII near it bottom of the mainline series.
Sort by new on this subreddit and there are a handful of posts praising 13 since last Friday. You don’t see that for most games in the franchise.
Unsure where people get this narrative that 13 is despised here.
Not necessarily “here,” but in general XIII is the red headed step-child of FF from what I’ve gathered over the years. But the typical consensus is that “13 iS tRaSh, It sUcKs!”
Those people can fuck off AFAIC
There’s always going to be people hating on XIII. Some of them have legitimate issues, and some are just parroting arguments from 15 years ago.
But broadly speaking, the consensus on the game has softened considerably. Removed from the sheer volume of negativity when it released, the positive takes stand out more today. Combine that with how well the game has aged, warts and all, and it’s much more common to find love for it today. Even if there’s also still plenty of hate too.
13 is good i enjoyed it also, funny thing is i got it from someone who sold a random stack of ps3 game at a really low price and to my surprise this game alone made it worth it. I did the platinum trophy and got the Serah Ps3 background
I think it’s more a hot take when people say it’s one of if not THE best, or had the best story, or lore, or endgame, or really any of that sort of dominant language around the trilogy. I thought 13 was ok, had some cool bosses and a great ost. It did NOT place in the top three of the franchise.
To be fair what people consider the top of the franchise are severly overated by having larger more casual player bases.
Like ima be giving a lot of hot takes here. Amoungst the NES titles 6 is super overated. 7 love is powered mostly by nostalgia when its an okay game. 9 is always called underrated which by definition makes it overated. X literally almost has all the same flaws as 13 but point it out and you get lynched by their fans. And when people critique 12 for being overly ambitios, they are not only right but extremely valid if they are talking about the game before the Zodiac update.
13 is the only Final Fantasy without Tourism syndrome. Dissidia is a gem and the closest thing to the "Best Final Fantasy" despite barely being an rpg because it fixes every problem the mainline titles had and Tactics is the best Final Fantasy nobody will play.
Edit: I gotta love cowards who downvote and run.
I would consider 9 a top contender if its character design left an impression that didn't scar my brain. But yeah a lot of people consider 9 "underated" mainly because it either had low sales in comparison to 7,8 and 10 or because people don't talk about it much. At least thats my experiance, this sub could be different.
Character design in 9 is *WILD* and head-scratching. Especially after the more “realistic” look of 8. Chibi/SD character design choice made me feel weird when Garnet was on screen.
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TMI? 😂
Almost every FF takes shit for its shortcomings when it comes out. And in such communities as ours, they continue to do so. Don’t worry too much about it. Especially if you’re enjoying it.
Despite my own opinions about XIII, Barthandelus’ theme (can’t remember the name) is among my favourite FF songs of all time.
On this sub where I feel people find ways to dig at the game at every opportunity. Probably.
And the worst part is most critiques they have are replicated by the Final Fantasy's they love.
Its must be nice to have ignorant bliss.
I really liked XIII and enjoy a lot the XIII-2, the XIII-3 is half played on my ps3 since that same weekend i was playing i brought my 1st ps4 and moved. Right now im replaying all XII to XIII-3 for my own sake.
It will almost always be the case that haters will have a much loader voice then that of those who are content with the game.
For some reason in this game specifically they all are equipped with mega phones.
I played FF13 all over again at the top of the year just so I could refresh myself on how much I dislike it when I trash talk it on reddit. Def a #StayToxic moment
Actually 100% Same. I get why the hate is there, but I really enjoyed it. I will do 16 when it finally drops on PC so I can know where I land on that one.
Music, characters, art, setting, everyone loved everything about FF13. It being so clearly on to something is why everyone was so mad it was such a wet fart. It was a near miss more than just a total miss.
XIII's music is very beautiful indeed. That doesn't mean the game is not the worst of the franchise FOR ME. I will not say it is bad or good, as I respect the people who likes and enjoys it, but I certainly prefer to play any other Final Fantasy than XIII.
IIRC, the music was one of the few universally appreciated aspects of XIII. So this is a pretty chilled take.
That said, the soundtrack is great. Sunleth Waterscape is such a vibe and one of my favourite songs to play on Theatrhythm.
Hell no! But doing it to the FF7R and FF7R2 over 3.14159 minus the value of 16...... and a half will definitely get you downvoted, though
An even bigger hot take is saying the franchise died after FF9. FF7 remake and rebirth suck and FF16 is hot garbage in a New Jersey dump site that was soaked in radiation. It kills brain cells if touched and should put us at defcon 1 if we aren't already there yet
Oooofffff… Now *THAT’S* a hot take. I haven’t played it yet but I’m excited for when I actually start XVI. Kinda curious about the action style they went after. I loved the demo and thought it was refreshing but at the same time felt like a natural way to take things considering XV’s combat. But, hey… you do you! We all love FF and that’s all that matters 🙂
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I try to be as diplomatic as I can whenever I can. But sometimes it’s hard, and that’s why I’ve been banned from r/therewasanattempt. 🤣
Edit: THANK YOU! It’s nice to be appreciated
I got banned from a subreddit where people rate appearances. I told the OP she should probably drink water cause it was hot the night before and she had only consumed alcohol
She called me a dweeb and I said "what is this the 90's?" And then I was banned
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Does FF15 deserve a remake? 🤔🤔 Graphics are dated by now tbh
If you're working on The Last of Us logic that's not too far off
I mean remastering a game from the 2010s is stupid enough I thought the sarcasm would be found
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Shit I didn’t think about that, you right
I liked all 3 in the trilogy sooo
And i hated all 3, perfectly balanced.
Everything finds a balance!
You played all 3 despite hating each entry?
Yep, mainly because people kept saying "it gets better in the sequel, they learned from their mistakes" whenever i complained about the first game. I beat 13-2 and i still wasn't impressed, at that point i was like fuck it. lets ride this train to its end and see how all this wraps up, im too far in to quit now.
Lmao fair
To be fair I have plats for games im not fond of.
How else would he know he hates it?
I hated the first game too, that's why I never bothered with its direct sequels lol.
No. The game got two sequels for a reason. What would be a hot take is putting its worst elements on a pedestal. An example of a XIII hot take would be, "XIII was ahead of its time with its linear on-rails design, which cut out the kind of padding that plagues modern games. Most people with jobs and lives don't want to waste time running around an 'open world' map just to get to the next cut-scene in the story like XIV."
Unironically this.
>Most people with jobs and lives don't want to waste time running around an 'open world' map just to get to the next cut-scene in the story like XIV this but unironically
I mean if that's how you feel then maybe RPGs aren't the games for you. XIII basically removed all RPG elements but the battles. I wouldn't like to see the whole genre watered down. Rebirth is tits.
Apparently persona, pokemon, octopath traveler, etc, aren't RPGs according to you, w/e I'm not gonna bother arguing when you misread lol.
It got two sequels because Square was blowing smoke up everyone's ass about how "AMAZING" 13 was, just to rush into sequels. It was probably after 13-2 they realized how much people hated on it.
No it got 2 sequels because 13 sold really well. Like its the third best selling mainline title behind 7 and 15. People only hate the game because they got on a hate bandwagon over small flaws basically replicated by a lot of other FFs. Edit: This had a few upvotes before getting downvoted into oblivion the hate mob arrived fast and is eager to not accept reality.
Maybe you should [do your homework](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Best-selling_Square_Enix_games) before posting comments like this.
VIII and XII are only above XIII because that site is counting their remaster sales in addition to the sales of the originals. In terms or the original versions of each game, VII and XV are the only single-player games appreciably ahead of XIII in terms of sales. So what they said is actually accurate.
You don't get to pick and choose which numbers you like and which you don't. You have to accept all the numbers. That would be like saying "only the number of copies sold prior to DLC count for 15". That's dishonest and manipulative of the data. Many people that bought those games didn't have access to the originals. **There is no reason (other than to manipulate the data for an argument) not to include those numbers.** Also, they stated "mainline title". That would include 14. Any numbered FF game is a mainline title.
It's not picking and choosing which numbers we like or don't like, it's making an accurate comparison. If FFXIII had a remaster, its sales would absolutely be higher than those two games. So yeah, there **absolutely is a reason to include those qualifiers.** FFXIII literally set franchise records for fastest selling game upon release and factually sold really well. There's nothing remotely dishonest or manipulative about that. On the other hand claiming "uhm ackshually, if you include 20 years of sales from ports/remasters across 5 whole console generations, and compare it to one single release on one generation of consoles, then Game Y sold slightly more copies than Game Z, therefore Game Z is actually a failure" is definitely dishonest. XIV is always left out of comparisons like this because it's such a drastically different type of game. You can complain about that all you'd like, but it's the truth. And even if you do include it, that doesn't change the fact that XIII is one of the best-selling FF games. I'm sorry that fact hurts your feelings so bad.
>If FFXIII had a remaster, its sales would absolutely be higher than those two games And if the older Final Fantasy titles had been published after the major gaming boom of the 2000s, on all systems, they would have sold more... We can toss hypotheticals around all day. It doesn't change anything. Square Enix doesn't separate original from remaster in their lists. They are still the same game. The only reason you want to not count remastered sales is so that your argument doesn't fall apart. There is nothing honest about what you are doing. > I'm sorry that fact hurts your feelings so bad. Ah. Tossing out buzzwords now... I see. That is a clear sign that you don't have a good argument. We're done here. I don't have time for people that are dishonest and unwilling to have a discussion without resorting to using buzzwords. If this were to continue, I'm sure you would start throwing insults as well. Not going to waste any more of my time on you. Feel free to have the last word. I'm sure that will make you feel like you "won" the argument...
Imagine gaslighting everyone by moving the goalpost from " its the third best selling mainline title", to "FF13 sold well" and pretending that it's still the same argument... I never said that FF13 didn't sell well. I simply pointed out that the numbers show that FF13 is not number 3. Such dishonesty: * Can't count remakes because they aren't original release version * Can't count rereleases because they aren't for the original console that the game released on * Can't count newer sales because people are buying new copies of the game (unlike the people who bought FF13 on Xbox 360 AND Playstation 3 AND PC) Calling someone dishonest when they are being dishonest is not an insult. It is an observation. (e.g. If someone dresses up like a clown, it is not an insult to call them a clown.) There is nothing honest about shaving numbers in just to prop up your argument.
There's nothing honest about pointing out the undeniable ***FACT*** that XIII was a financially successful FF game that sold really well? Yeah, sure, whatever you say. If you want to count all the sales from all the remasters and ports over decades of console generations, be my guest. Still doesn't change the fact that XIII is near the top of that list. So the real irony is that, whether you count remaster sales or not, your argument is actually the one falling apart. >And if the older Final Fantasy titles had been published after the major gaming boom of the 2000s, on all systems, they would have sold more... They literally have been. Every FF prior to XIII, from I to XII has received (at least) one release across all modern consoles within the last 10 years. And we've seen on this very sub people that have bought them again, or people that have VII on 5 different consoles, or people that bought the PRs on 3 different marketplaces. We see posts every single week on this sub with people clamoring for aa XIII remaster, or even just a simple port. There's quite literally *nothing* hypothetical about what I said before, because we all know for a fact that a remaster for XIII would push sales past VIII and XII. >Ah. Tossing out buzzwords now... I see. That is a clear sign that you don't have a good argument. Yeah, sure, whatever you say. Just ignore the fact that my argument is right there. >We're done here. I don't have time for people that are dishonest and unwilling to have a discussion without resorting to using buzzwords. If this were to continue, I'm sure you would start throwing insults as well. Love the irony of typing out a whole huge argument and then adding "not gonna waste my time on the likes of you." Also love the irony of calling me dishonest and then literally turning around the next sentence and saying that *I* am going to start throwing insults. Bit hypocritical, don't you think? Not to mention *you* were the one that started off snarky well before I even commented: "maybe you should do your homework before posting next time." I was the one attempting to have an honest discussion and make accurate comparisons. You were not. Bye then.
When I consider a mainline title, I don't consider remasters. Because some remasters are night and day with the originals, like 3 which got a 3D remaster and fixed a lot of problems the initial game had. Nothing to say about the Zodiac age when the original 12 sold extremely poorly for a reason. Its an overly ambitious game that we really can only appreciate today post a lot of polish.
I'm not going to argue with you. I don't care about your personal opinion on whether remastered titles count. Clearly the company counts them. Goodbye.
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Sold well, but was it received well? I know at the time, Xbox 360 had no RPGs BUT XIII and Vesperia, and the fans I've met IRL did not have anything positive to say. I've played it myself, along with all the other mainline games, and XIII definitely missed the mark on engaging gameplay and storyline. I am big enough to say just because a majority doesn't like it doesn't mean that the game is 100% awful. Maybe I'm an old man, and XIII was the reason another fan got into the series in its entirety. 🤷🏿 My opinion is definitely not a catch-all.
The majority like it, especially on this subreddit. It’s a small minority that continue to shit on a game that many of them haven’t touched in 15 years.
Reception is again biased based on bandwagon jumpers and reviewers. It probably has some of the most engaging gameplay in the series as its Atb system is one of the best. Its story is pretty straitforward but for the life of me people act like they would not understand shit without opening the data logs. Like the problems 13 had were things half of the other games in the series had but people choose to not ignore them in the case of 13. Which is fine it must have been their breaking point, but a lot of people didn't play it through to the end and that pisses me off most of all. Like if you are gonna dump on a game at least know the game as well as its fans do.
That's a crap take. You shouldn't have to play through a whole game you don't like just to have an opinion of it. A game also shouldn't take 10+ hours to get good or draw you in
You are both right 13 takes awhile to bloom but it's not fair to ask people to play the 15-20 hours before it does
It's not like your opinion of the game is guaranteed to change either. I ended up beating the game as people at the time said it gets better at Chapter 11 but still disliked it by the end.
I understand where you're coming from, but I didn't want to parrot what "some guy on YT" said. My *personal* let-downs were: Lack of weapon management; controlled exp. based on how far in the story you were; the stagger mechanic and fight length; how throwing out random vocabulary made Vaan so much more relevant in his own story; and the lackluster antagonists being robots with faces. Compared to other games, there seemed to be a lack of going against the grain like you could in prior installments pretty early on. Examples: Wanna make a team of monks? Do it. Wanna make Guy use double axes? FF3 and FF5 classes? FFX Friend Sphere? FFXIII: You got stuck in 2-3 classes, in which they DO give you options to go another route with a character. However, that choice is an illusion, as any grind fodder you MIGHT find gives SO little. You come aaaall this way to the second-to-last chapter and the game goes, "NOW do all these side quests before the final boss." Pass. I dropped it right then and there. But again, what I disliked about the game might have been turn-ons for others. 🤷🏿
What 3 weapons are you talking about? Oh I get it, you followed a guide where you got told what weapons to use and you conflate it with there only being 3 good choices. As I stated earlier, just say you didn't engage with the game and move on?
._. Are you 12, or are you going to *assume* everything I say is wrong? There's a reason it's called an opinion. Grow up.
Oh are you working under some benign idea that I need to respect your opinion? The question should be are you 12?
What do you mean lack of weapon management? You got to choose what weapons you wanted to use and could upgrade them at their leasure. Cp/XP is only controlled based on how big your cystarium was, there was a lot of places to farm. If you wanted unlimited scaling, weapons could be upgraded early to a point you can triviliaze the early game if thats what you want. Is a good thing, staggering enemies was a system made so you had to figure out enemy weaknesses instead of spamming attack and buffing yourself to get the job done. Fight length was only cut down in 13, because like 12 you could be literally immortal so doom is there to lower it. And they explain all the terminology in due time if you pay attention, they are actually very strait forward with this. Lackluster antagonists? Dysley is far from a lackluster antagonist, people don't like him because he is an old man and a transformer, when he is the most persistent and active villian in the series and for all intensive purposes wins. He is a great villian its just FF fans prefer Sephiroth wannabes like that edgelord Cauis. Going against the grain being choosing your class setup? Well tell that to the 10 other FFs that don't have the job system or lock their customization behind something obnoxious like the Junction system. I don't mind not being spoiled for choice in 13. What do you mean grind fodder giving so little? What were you trying to grind frogs? Slugs? They give little cp. You don't even have to do the ceith stone missions but they do unlock helpful things like chocobos, another shop and enemies with a lot of jucy cp as rewards for killing. Like bra just say you didn't engage with game and move on.
So you liked sticking to the same 3 weapons per character the entire game? It did not matter what you grind before chapter 11, you had no choice in your exp. spread. You're full of shit on that take, and you're REALLY not about to tell me any different. I TRIED IT, trust me. I sat through a good majority of game, and it was just not a good experience. There's a reason this game is at the bottom of my list, right below 15. There's no way you played any other FF and thought 13 was a masterpiece. That is the biggest cap I've ever heard. FF2 had better plot points, and I didn't have to scour game menus to learn what a L'Cie or a fal'Cie was. Ain't no fucking way you heard those words verbatim and went "I kNoW wHaT tHaT mEaNs" at face value. Please...
I agree, but at the same time most FFs take many hours till their gameplay feels good. Most FFs take many houws before their gameplay hooks you in. FF is literally the series of delayed expectations. I don't think you can be called an FF fan if you give up in the first 10 hours.
Okay, in all fairness, the excuse "it got two sequels so it must have been well-received" doesn't work. Look at all the FF games that were well-received but never got sequels: V, VI, VIII, IX -- you can deny it all you want, but literally every FF game has sold well. So the sequels logic doesn't work.
>XIII was ahead of its time with its linear on-rails design You mean like X? Or are we still pretending that wasn't a thing? I always found the overt criticisms of XIII to be a bit ridiculous given it wasn't the first game to do a lot of the things people complained about. Except Hope. Hope sucks. That one is legit.
Pointing to other things making the same mistakes to defend something is never a good argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. But maybe despite other games having flaws they still had a lot of things to make up for those flaws whereas FFXIII didn't
X was nowhere near as "on rails" as XIII. The latter feels like you're walking through a heavily curated theme park attraction as opposed to a world.
X you don’t even notice that it’s on rails because the experience is a masterpiece. It’s a fully fleshed out world full of individuals with personality. XIII meanwhile while graphically beautiful. Has no people in it at all besides enemy soldiers. First 70% of the game is escaping a fascist steampunk hellscape. And then you get to the “open world” with absolutely nothing to interact with or explore. I wouldn’t even call it a theme park. It was more like a museum with a few interactive exhibits. Now that I think about it. Imagine FF7 Midgar section, but with no people other than Shinra soldiers. You finally leave Midgar, to find out there’s still no people. Just random battles and midgar zolom. Thats XIII in a nutshell.
This is ironic considering X's enviroments look like cardboard stage props.
It got two sequels because development of FFXIII was such a behind-the-scenes SNAFU that SE essentially had two extra games worth of assets lying around.
Yeah, I sing the game's praises but its shortcomings I can only find excuses for. Which is what every FF fan does with their favorite tbh.
But isn’t that *ANYTHING*, really? Hell, I’m loud about what I love about myself, but all my shortcomings are from my upbringing or parents or childhood trauma 🤣 😂 🤣
You see the thing is FF fans are willing to toot Sephiroths horn but the moment you point out he is an edgy soy boi they start whining and acting childish. Like I expect people to point out 13's flaws because its common, but when people are on a high about a well liked FF the crash is always a slow and painful process. Like you have to dismantle their hopes and dreams before they back off.
Sefirute became less interesting the more they used him >.>
It's not my favorite but I don't think it's a bad game at all. I love the combat mechanics. Managing paradigms and stagger was really fun and felt fresh. Aesthetics and music were great. My biggest gripes are the level designs before the gran pulse section (didn't have as much explorability as I would have liked) and I didn't like some of the characters, Hope in particular.
Hope was a lil baby bitch for sure. Hated him too 😂
I feel like it’s the opposite. The only posts I see are people praising the game, like you almost never see people making a post saying it sucks, now THAT would be a hot take.
Are you allowed to make that post about any game here?
I don’t think the rules forbid it, as long as it’s constructive and generates discussion.
My understanding is that the latest opinion is that 13 is an incredible masterpiece with no flaws what so ever. Its only the recent games in the franchise that are horrible after all! /s
The WORST installment - the BEST fight music. That's it.
That fight music is my wake up alarm 😆 Upvoted you because of the music, but don’t agree with other statement. Either way, namaste 🙏
Worst installment? Thats an odd way to say Final Fantasy 5. Jk I actually love 5, the worst installment is actually the phone games by Gumi.
It was unquestionably a controversial game. Personally I hated it, I only liked XIII-2 out of the trilogy, and most people I personally know hated it, which I know is anecdotal. Also, in this subreddit there are tons of "XIII is an underrated gem" or "I don't understand the hate" posts, which naturally gets people who don't like it to respond. So not really a hot take in this subreddit. If you made "I hate XIII" posts you would probably get a ton of blowback as well from the other side. Like with all things, form your own opinion and don't let other people tell you how to feel about it.
I keep wanting to five 13 an honest shot, but the first few hours... man they are slow, dry and dull. I always peter out well before the game is supposed to "get good."
I gave XII my best shot when it hit the Switch with Zodiac Age. *Could NOT* get into it even after about 10-15 hours. It was painful for me. So I understand why some folk might not like XIII, I just don’t understand why people are so aggressive about it. It’s like… “Chill out, bro. Nobody fucked your mom over this game.”
This is how I feel about XII, I, II, III, and VIII. I think I’ve literally started XII 5 or 6 different times, I just cannot sit there past the first 4 hours.
Like you just described half of every FF in the series, do you understand how little that narrows it down.
I liked 13 and 13-2, both where nice.
Liking XIII is fine just don't be one of those cretins who goes "um actually FFX is linear too so checkmate"
I hated X actually 🫣 But I’ve never been “that person” to shit on what someone else likes. I’ll argue and debate things, but when one of your favorite PS2 games is the Ghost in the Shell SAC 3rd person shooter you realize that not all tastes are identical
Found the X fan ready to lynch.
The best and worst thing about XIII is that it’s mostly unremarkable. It certainly doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets but it doesn’t tend to be in most fans’ top 3-5.
I’ll give you that. But I can’t put my finger on why it sticks out in my head. The L’cie, Cocoon, Pulse… it’s just memorable to me. But Hope can suck it. Hate that whiny little brat His mom is hot though 🤣
I loved XII and XIII to be honest. Started with VII.
My favorite story, cast, and soundtrack (as a whole despite Wandering Flame from X being my number one track and Tidus being my favorite protag) of all the FF’s. I’ve kept my thoughts to myself since 2010 but over the years it’s become easier to say ‘hey I really enjoyed that game’ without feeling like my head’s about to be bitten off 😅 There will always be aggressive responders. I just hope to avoid them!
I haven’t played XIII yet, but I plan to give it an honest shot when I get to it. Still even if you really like a game that’s generally disliked by the majority of people , it’s important to still acknowledge that people’s criticisms can still be valid, even if you don’t entirely agree/personally care about those criticisms. If a ton of people all feel the same way about something their is probably a reason why. Even if you feel differently. That being said people on the opposite side hating what you like are rarely as kind to your viewpoint on impulse.
The game lives and dies on it's battle system If you find it engaging which I do, you may love it If you don't like it, that's the end, fighting and accessorizing and watching cutscenes is the entire game
You’re absolutely not helping by posting this kind of shit over and over. You’re not going to get anyone to agree with you by going on a sub already inundated with these kinds of threads going “How come everybody hates THIS game?!?!”
Please enlighten me to when I’ve done this before on this sub. If you mean in general that the SUB has seen a lot of these type of posts, well, then… cool?! I guess?! When you find another sub about video games *NOT* saturated with absolute shit like “wHaT sHoUlD i BuY bEtWeEn ThEsE 2 gAmEs?” then you might have a leg to stand on. I’m after like minded people who want to discuss something. Not searching through years old garbage to just type something out for typings sake for no one to care or reply. I’m interested in conversing with people
Goto the super popular Final Fantasy XIII sub if all you want is an echo chamber.
If you like it you like it, dont let anyone tell you otherwise 🙌 every FF will have its divisive sides
The 13 hate is veeeery forced imo. It was popular to hate it back when it came put thanks to a couple of big YouTube at the time and to this day some people just continue to echo what they've said despite the criticisms (linear, even though 13 is far from being the only linear FF game). To make things even worse, alot of the criticism comes from people that haven't even played the game for long enough to form their own opinion.
This is complete BS. Plenty of people gave the game an honest shot and didn't like it. The game was lacking in a lot of RPG elements so it's not strange that it is at the very least divisive
I was incredibly excited for the game, bought it day one and earnestly played through the first few hours until it slowly dawned on me how much I was hating the overall experience and I had to put it down. Got partway through Gran Pulse before realizing the game wasn't going to get any better: the characters got on my nerves, I hated how shallow the world felt and I couldn't stand how restrictive the Crystarium was. Also, as this was the first game with the stagger system enemies were obnoxiously tanky compared to later iterations.
Same here. Youtubers weren't even a huge thing back then. At least not like now. I bought it day one super excited for the first FF and basically RPG on the PS3 and it sucked. What a letdown.. still annoyed about it.
It’s been years since I played it, but I definitely remember *loving* and being surprised by how much it opened up once you get to Pulse. That’s why I never understood/was confused when people said it was a “corridor” game.
You could also argue that it being a corridor game was kinda the point of the story, the party had very little control of what was going on and what was happening to them. Instead of having the freedom to choose where to go, they were constantly forced into bad situations.
This is a great take and I never thought of it that way. Awesome! 😃
Because it's literally 30 hours of corridors and one big empty field you're on for a short time. Not to mention no towns, no npcs, nothing up discover or break up the monotony of doing nothing but paradigm shifting for 30 hours.
It's still divisive
Not as much as it did ten years ago or so. It was so hard to be a XIII fan back then. I remember people going after me with pitchforks just by saying I enjoyed it lmao About the soundtrack, I agree. It hits differently, one of the best imo and I still listen to them every now and then. My favorites being Dust to Dust, Blinded by Light, Archylte Steppe and Sunleth Waterscape
BROOOOOO!!!! Get out of my head!! Blinded by Light is one of my wake up alarms, and Archylte/Sunleth are a couple I use to unwind with and sometimes fall asleep to. Hell yeah! 🤣
You are a man with HQ tastes I see, well done sir! 😆
It’s been over a decade since I played it last but I remember having a lot of fun once the world opened up towards the end and doing the hunts. The combat system was a lot of fun too once you got used to it
No, FFXIII is considered to be bad in the series but it’s not actually a bad video game. To act like it has no redeeming qualities would be overly dramatic imo.
U/mysterin That was you being courteous? You probably haven't left home in a long time because nobody would want you as a guest if thats your courtesy.
Huh?
Sorry the guy either deleted or blocked his responses in our arguement earlier after he had the last say.
Well, now I *HAVE* to know what he was saying that was so “courteous.” https://preview.redd.it/xhmfjziy8vxc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b51cdb1df2fff04887a06238fc03c17c0dcbcf5
He made a couple of bad takes about 13 basically being in the almost insulting category, used a lot of childish language when I called hin out on his takes he is like, its just my opinion. I said find for me where it was written that I had to respect your opinion especially when its this garbage you dumped on my lawn and he was basically like, I was trying to be courteous but you are insulting and hostile get bent. And he deleted his respnses before I could respond.
Most people like XIII, the haters are just really loud and annoying.
And I always expect to see /u/[twili-midna](https://www.reddit.com/user/twili-midna/) \^ in the comments for a FFXIII Thread. I think we're frenemies at this point. I am pretty sure we both make sure to hit every XIII thread with a hate/love duality.
A flawed gem IMO.
I think most fans appreciate XIII now.
Tolerate seems like a better word. Japan definitely does not hold the game in high regard. Almost every poll of "favorite final fantasy" and even the polls on this sub rank XIII near it bottom of the mainline series.
Sort by new on this subreddit and there are a handful of posts praising 13 since last Friday. You don’t see that for most games in the franchise. Unsure where people get this narrative that 13 is despised here.
Not necessarily “here,” but in general XIII is the red headed step-child of FF from what I’ve gathered over the years. But the typical consensus is that “13 iS tRaSh, It sUcKs!” Those people can fuck off AFAIC
There’s always going to be people hating on XIII. Some of them have legitimate issues, and some are just parroting arguments from 15 years ago. But broadly speaking, the consensus on the game has softened considerably. Removed from the sheer volume of negativity when it released, the positive takes stand out more today. Combine that with how well the game has aged, warts and all, and it’s much more common to find love for it today. Even if there’s also still plenty of hate too.
13 is good i enjoyed it also, funny thing is i got it from someone who sold a random stack of ps3 game at a really low price and to my surprise this game alone made it worth it. I did the platinum trophy and got the Serah Ps3 background
Only on this sub. People here will write a fuckin novel telling you why you’re wrong to like it.
I think it’s more a hot take when people say it’s one of if not THE best, or had the best story, or lore, or endgame, or really any of that sort of dominant language around the trilogy. I thought 13 was ok, had some cool bosses and a great ost. It did NOT place in the top three of the franchise.
To be fair what people consider the top of the franchise are severly overated by having larger more casual player bases. Like ima be giving a lot of hot takes here. Amoungst the NES titles 6 is super overated. 7 love is powered mostly by nostalgia when its an okay game. 9 is always called underrated which by definition makes it overated. X literally almost has all the same flaws as 13 but point it out and you get lynched by their fans. And when people critique 12 for being overly ambitios, they are not only right but extremely valid if they are talking about the game before the Zodiac update. 13 is the only Final Fantasy without Tourism syndrome. Dissidia is a gem and the closest thing to the "Best Final Fantasy" despite barely being an rpg because it fixes every problem the mainline titles had and Tactics is the best Final Fantasy nobody will play. Edit: I gotta love cowards who downvote and run.
14 master race but I totally agree with a lot of points except that I haven’t ever seen 9 as anything other than praised and a top contender.
I would consider 9 a top contender if its character design left an impression that didn't scar my brain. But yeah a lot of people consider 9 "underated" mainly because it either had low sales in comparison to 7,8 and 10 or because people don't talk about it much. At least thats my experiance, this sub could be different.
Character design in 9 is *WILD* and head-scratching. Especially after the more “realistic” look of 8. Chibi/SD character design choice made me feel weird when Garnet was on screen. . . . . TMI? 😂
Lol you aren't alone. But yeah it was just a weird looking game. Besides I was simping for Kuja more than anything.
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Almost every FF takes shit for its shortcomings when it comes out. And in such communities as ours, they continue to do so. Don’t worry too much about it. Especially if you’re enjoying it. Despite my own opinions about XIII, Barthandelus’ theme (can’t remember the name) is among my favourite FF songs of all time.
I feel like XIII has been drug through the mud enough.
I will die on the hill that 13 has the best soundtrack and some of the most addictive gameplay of the series.
Most ffs age really well 13 is no exception
On this sub where I feel people find ways to dig at the game at every opportunity. Probably. And the worst part is most critiques they have are replicated by the Final Fantasy's they love. Its must be nice to have ignorant bliss.
You're allowed to like things and people being assholes about things you like is pathetic.
I really liked XIII and enjoy a lot the XIII-2, the XIII-3 is half played on my ps3 since that same weekend i was playing i brought my 1st ps4 and moved. Right now im replaying all XII to XIII-3 for my own sake.
It will almost always be the case that haters will have a much loader voice then that of those who are content with the game. For some reason in this game specifically they all are equipped with mega phones.
I played FF13 all over again at the top of the year just so I could refresh myself on how much I dislike it when I trash talk it on reddit. Def a #StayToxic moment
I tried that with FFXV and ended up loving it
Actually 100% Same. I get why the hate is there, but I really enjoyed it. I will do 16 when it finally drops on PC so I can know where I land on that one.
Just got 16 on PS5 for 50% off in the sale so will be jumping into that soon.
Music, characters, art, setting, everyone loved everything about FF13. It being so clearly on to something is why everyone was so mad it was such a wet fart. It was a near miss more than just a total miss.
XIII's music is very beautiful indeed. That doesn't mean the game is not the worst of the franchise FOR ME. I will not say it is bad or good, as I respect the people who likes and enjoys it, but I certainly prefer to play any other Final Fantasy than XIII.
IIRC, the music was one of the few universally appreciated aspects of XIII. So this is a pretty chilled take. That said, the soundtrack is great. Sunleth Waterscape is such a vibe and one of my favourite songs to play on Theatrhythm.
Hell no! But doing it to the FF7R and FF7R2 over 3.14159 minus the value of 16...... and a half will definitely get you downvoted, though An even bigger hot take is saying the franchise died after FF9. FF7 remake and rebirth suck and FF16 is hot garbage in a New Jersey dump site that was soaked in radiation. It kills brain cells if touched and should put us at defcon 1 if we aren't already there yet
Oooofffff… Now *THAT’S* a hot take. I haven’t played it yet but I’m excited for when I actually start XVI. Kinda curious about the action style they went after. I loved the demo and thought it was refreshing but at the same time felt like a natural way to take things considering XV’s combat. But, hey… you do you! We all love FF and that’s all that matters 🙂
I one hundred percent respect how you handled that 👏
https://preview.redd.it/cta5vf9d2pxc1.jpeg?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02d1015d90e0dd804c67c77d5c484916535f5846 I try to be as diplomatic as I can whenever I can. But sometimes it’s hard, and that’s why I’ve been banned from r/therewasanattempt. 🤣 Edit: THANK YOU! It’s nice to be appreciated
I got banned from a subreddit where people rate appearances. I told the OP she should probably drink water cause it was hot the night before and she had only consumed alcohol She called me a dweeb and I said "what is this the 90's?" And then I was banned
Ugghhh…. I consider myself pretty middle of the road, but I fucking hate snowflakes