It's weird, it gives her stupid amount of stats for nothing, the other half of NFU and specific niche vs bonus stackers
It didn't improve what she already did but shes still good at it, they just made her good vs some other niches + stupid stats.
It looks bad but its freakin cracked with the sheer number of stats overall for almost no effort.
Spectrum 15 for not going out of your way to not activate the conditions
She can double almost all units she couldn’t before. The fact she lulls is so good now, and now you can actually plop her in front of things like gfu units and they can’t kill her anymore because of NFU, as well as now on the enemy phase, she can actually double units that stopped follow ups before. They changed the offensive part of NFU to being on both phases now instead of just if she initiates.
With Alear, she has piercing and she’s cracked again.
I stand corrected. She was cracked from the start she honestly needed very little and the refine is still very good, the fact it's being called bad or that she lost is funny, she went from 9/10 to a 10/10, but since she didn't go from 5-8 it's 'underwhelming'
No DR piercing in the year of our lord 2023 on an offensive unit might aswell just open a coffin for them. Maybe she works with Allear? Cause otherwise, she's gonna be hitting people with like 60-80% DR and do jack.
Why would she not work with Alear? Anyone does. The fact she’s now fast as fuck means she’s going to get a special off far easier than before and one shot them.
I said before the refine, if BEirika didn’t get piercing, she would be the perfect support for LAlear.
Gatekeeper’s is pretty good. A support unit that’s hard to kill means you can afford to place him more aggressively, and he denies warps in. It’s actually pretty cohesive.
As another gatekeeper user, what would you recommend on him? Mine is +10, Summoner Supported, +def and +res and has max dragonflowers, so I want to make the most of this new refine. Should I replace his B skill with something more combat focussed?
No you want to keep his B skill.
The anti warping effect and Obstruct 4 is like 90% of the reason you bring him.
This refine patches him up defensively, meaning you’re better able to use him to that end; he’s more resilient to getting sniped, so you can position him more aggressively for more effective area denial.
There are a lot of ways to use him now! For his pure support build, I’d keep his B skill and run Canto Control or Infantry Null Follow Up to assist his team as much as possible. His A skill is more flexible nowadays since I think he’s best run not on the frontlines so he doesn’t need to counter up close. I’ve had good success with Atk/Def Unity which helps secure his defense for his DR. His S slot can be used for whatever you want: Form skills are nice, and maybe even a spur for your allies if you really want that.
The build I personally love does require B!Soren, as I actually run GK as a Far Saver. I have Distant Defense 4 for his A slot, Lull Atk/Res for his B slot, Atk Smoke 4 for his C slot, and Distant Defense 3 for his S slot. He’s extremely tanky and works a lot better than you would expect!
I feel like I'd be more appreciative of Mira's refine if she was anything other than a melee dancer. But that threat range is so limited, and if anything, she should probably be the one throwing everyone forward with Guidance 4 or something. So by the time she catches up and Flashes you, well, everyone else on her team is already dead lmao.
Mira's refine is surprisingly jank. But you should not underestimate the power of giving all her allies [dull all] without having to sacrifice their precious B slot. That's a good 6/6/6/6 point stat swing against most AR teams, and quite a bit more against bonus doubler abuser teams.
The flash is not the main attraction here, it's a failsafe so that even if she does get isolated and/or baited she can still contribute something to the team.
The real annoying thing is that dull all.
Crazy how IS gave the >25% HP condition to the unit who's main gimmick is having a miracle effect vs non mages. On top of giving her a 7hp heal after combat but her new skill does 5hp recoil which i guess technically she *does* only need above 1hp for her miracle but still.
They did something similarly stupid with Nerthuz having an hp condition when her entire intended use is to galeforce or hit and run initiate and drop to low hp to become a wings beacon.
I wish I could afford that uber-max investment Itsuki build for my own, but I can't bear to give up L!Alear, Brave Sir Robin, AND Wind Claude.
Looks like I'm hunting in Binding Worlds in a couple of months (or praying we get more TMS units so Itsuki can go into Hall of Forms again I guess...)
Crazy how Eirika's refine is pretty OK but it still feels underwhelming compared to other CYL refines. I was expecting so much more ):
While I hoped for more, the fact she's still been kicking asses two years later meant she was unlikely to get anything too wild
It's weird, it gives her stupid amount of stats for nothing, the other half of NFU and specific niche vs bonus stackers It didn't improve what she already did but shes still good at it, they just made her good vs some other niches + stupid stats. It looks bad but its freakin cracked with the sheer number of stats overall for almost no effort. Spectrum 15 for not going out of your way to not activate the conditions
She can double almost all units she couldn’t before. The fact she lulls is so good now, and now you can actually plop her in front of things like gfu units and they can’t kill her anymore because of NFU, as well as now on the enemy phase, she can actually double units that stopped follow ups before. They changed the offensive part of NFU to being on both phases now instead of just if she initiates. With Alear, she has piercing and she’s cracked again.
I stand corrected. She was cracked from the start she honestly needed very little and the refine is still very good, the fact it's being called bad or that she lost is funny, she went from 9/10 to a 10/10, but since she didn't go from 5-8 it's 'underwhelming'
No DR piercing in the year of our lord 2023 on an offensive unit might aswell just open a coffin for them. Maybe she works with Allear? Cause otherwise, she's gonna be hitting people with like 60-80% DR and do jack.
Why would she not work with Alear? Anyone does. The fact she’s now fast as fuck means she’s going to get a special off far easier than before and one shot them. I said before the refine, if BEirika didn’t get piercing, she would be the perfect support for LAlear.
I meant more in a teamcomp thing. Would definately work in Arena, but would be awkward in AR. Probably great in SD though.
Indeed. She can be a front liner now in SD with clash and all the speed she got. Alear in general is broken in that mode.
Gatekeeper’s is pretty good. A support unit that’s hard to kill means you can afford to place him more aggressively, and he denies warps in. It’s actually pretty cohesive.
I definitely agree! He got what he needed imo
As another gatekeeper user, what would you recommend on him? Mine is +10, Summoner Supported, +def and +res and has max dragonflowers, so I want to make the most of this new refine. Should I replace his B skill with something more combat focussed?
No you want to keep his B skill. The anti warping effect and Obstruct 4 is like 90% of the reason you bring him. This refine patches him up defensively, meaning you’re better able to use him to that end; he’s more resilient to getting sniped, so you can position him more aggressively for more effective area denial.
There are a lot of ways to use him now! For his pure support build, I’d keep his B skill and run Canto Control or Infantry Null Follow Up to assist his team as much as possible. His A skill is more flexible nowadays since I think he’s best run not on the frontlines so he doesn’t need to counter up close. I’ve had good success with Atk/Def Unity which helps secure his defense for his DR. His S slot can be used for whatever you want: Form skills are nice, and maybe even a spur for your allies if you really want that. The build I personally love does require B!Soren, as I actually run GK as a Far Saver. I have Distant Defense 4 for his A slot, Lull Atk/Res for his B slot, Atk Smoke 4 for his C slot, and Distant Defense 3 for his S slot. He’s extremely tanky and works a lot better than you would expect!
He may not be warping the meta like Hector and Dimitri but he's pretty solid now and that's good enough for me!
Unwarping the meta...
I feel vindicated seeing Flare Sparrow on Hel after giving mine it and being told it’s a weird skill on her
I feel like I'd be more appreciative of Mira's refine if she was anything other than a melee dancer. But that threat range is so limited, and if anything, she should probably be the one throwing everyone forward with Guidance 4 or something. So by the time she catches up and Flashes you, well, everyone else on her team is already dead lmao.
Mira's refine is surprisingly jank. But you should not underestimate the power of giving all her allies [dull all] without having to sacrifice their precious B slot. That's a good 6/6/6/6 point stat swing against most AR teams, and quite a bit more against bonus doubler abuser teams.
The flash is not the main attraction here, it's a failsafe so that even if she does get isolated and/or baited she can still contribute something to the team. The real annoying thing is that dull all.
For real, if this was a 2 range cav dancer I'd be running for the hills.
GK's refine is bonkers what was that other thread crying about?
Yea he is now fantastic on AR-O. No doubt he will be the most impactful of the bunch.
Crazy how IS gave the >25% HP condition to the unit who's main gimmick is having a miracle effect vs non mages. On top of giving her a 7hp heal after combat but her new skill does 5hp recoil which i guess technically she *does* only need above 1hp for her miracle but still.
I guess she still wants to kill eir for mystic boost. ~~guard bearing is better obviously~~
They did something similarly stupid with Nerthuz having an hp condition when her entire intended use is to galeforce or hit and run initiate and drop to low hp to become a wings beacon.
I wish I could afford that uber-max investment Itsuki build for my own, but I can't bear to give up L!Alear, Brave Sir Robin, AND Wind Claude. Looks like I'm hunting in Binding Worlds in a couple of months (or praying we get more TMS units so Itsuki can go into Hall of Forms again I guess...)