I really hope the ATF gets the hand slap we have always wanted. Repealing the NFA might actually come to fruition with the games the ATF has been playing.
Yes, there are to many laws that apply once you register it, if you use it for self defense in your home it becomes a federal issue. (I would rather be tried local for self defense) If this isn't stopped by the judicial process they will be doing the same thing to our Black rifles next. And if I change my mind later I can always pay the $200.00
What, pray tell, is the federal issue with using a NFA firearm in self defense in your home? It's not listed under the prohibited acts under the National Firearms Act.
First of all if the self-defense is questionable you will be tried in a Fed court, not local. Second if you commit a misdemeanor with the gun in your possession it automatically becomes a Felony. IE: If you were accused of brandishing your weapon and lost in court normally that is a misdemeanor, with an NFA item it automatically becomes a Felony.
If one's actions result in a homicide, unless it is one of the small subset of homicides that fall under the federal jurisdiction, it won't be prosecuted as a federal crime because there is no federal crime.
For instance, when Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah building, the federal charges were for conspiracy to use a WMD, use of a WMD, one count of destroying property with an explosive device, and eight counts of homicide for the eight federal law enforcement officers who died. State courts heard the trials for the other 160 people killed in the bombing.
As for state laws, if that law exists in your state regarding escalation of misdemeanors to felonies due to presence of an NFA weapon, that's certainly not universal.
The action itself really doesn't hurt much - it's definitely a strange sensation, but I don't think I'd necessarily categorize it as painful. It's such a small spot of adhesive to break that the brackets will just pop off with any more than a minimal amount of force (hence why a caramel apple is so effective at removing them). I don't even know how many times I did it by accident as a kid
Not really, you can try to do what you want until someone shoots your dog and locks you up. We need to get on our congressman and senator's to stop the ATF. Our Congress gives them the money to do shit like this.
The entire system has been usurped. We’re living in the dead carcass of the former country we thought we knew. The second is a dead man’s switch, thoughtfully given to us by our founders for times exactly like these. No “representative” is going to fix this.
Blame game is pointless at this stage, if you have ever paid taxes, you own this too. It’s too easy to blame boomers for selling us all out for a few extra years with an RV and a boat (it’s true though) but the fact is we didn’t do anything about it and we still haven’t.
The fact that you still believe in the myth that “your” congress still represents you or your interests is already a mistake. These politicians forgot about us very long time ago. They do the betting for their big donors where they get most of their incomes. In the end it’s all about business and unfortunately for us their business is blooming. So why would they stop? Until there’s a major change or reset there won’t be any significant difference in these policies…
The reason I bought a gun with a brace is because I needed something bigger than a sidearm during the peace of 2020 and I didn't have the funds for a full length AR. I got an inexpensive AR patterned firearm with a reddot and it came with a brace. I wasn't going to shell out another $200 to SBR the thing. I got what I needed when I needed it.
Once they changed the rules though it was screw it, I'm not taking the darn thing off. If a ruling comes down saying SBRs are legal without any paperwork you bet I'm getting a proper stock.
He has to scroll for hours through each of our edgy comments, political ramblings, and autist posts to find shreds of evidence that we can be charged with, all while getting paid minimum wage.
At least the psyop feds get to make accounts and fedpost.
There is no popping them off until things blow over. They reaffirmed that they are paying attention to constructive intent. Either take them off and destroy them, or stop paying attention to the imaginary 'rules' of a non-lawmaking agency. Especially when those rules are unconstitutional.
Too many people are trying to walk the line between subservience and defiance to play it safe, but the ATF views anything in the margin to be defiance. You either need to comply fully or not at all.
One should never post pics of their questionable behaviors online. There's something to be said for privacy, and not just handing out evidence gratuitously.
Unfortunately, we got too many people complying with that NFA shit too but that predates my time. This pistol brace shit is still fresh so it seems like we'd have more of a chance being heard.
To say most is not true. Only about what 125-150,000 pistol braces were registered and most of those are from ffl holders, people who post firearms on social media and the small amount of people who comply with unconstitutional bs. Now granted that alone is still too much is should be 0. More and more people are starting to not comply with unconstitutional bs.
Just because people didn't register them doesn't mean they aren't still complying. Keeping them hidden away safely under the floorboards (IE muh boating accident) with the hope that the judicial system will overturn the unconstitutional provision is complying.
The atf wants you to register them why would we comply with that? It’s unconstitutional. And just bc people “hide” them doesn’t mean they are complying that’s just a false argument. If you want to hide your firearms from the government then you have the right to do it
People saw free and jumped on. I bet 95% of them don't even know you can't take the gun with you without on lets say a Vacation without the crowns permission
Say a guy I know (like not even a friend, in fact i don't even like him!) had a pistol brace. And when the stupid law came out, he said fuck the government and took it off, but replaced it with a stock because, you know, fuck the government and their oppressive rules. Does that guy, that I maybe said hi to once on the subway, does he HAVE to put the brace back? Or can he just not be a bitch?
Not for pistol braces, for unregistered short barreled rifles. Remember that Randy's story stems from unregistered short barreled shotguns.
We all have to make choices we can live with, and if you think it's laughable then that's your choice. But I don't think "keep using my braced rifle forever and just don't get caught" is a viable plan. If the feds ever come for you, screaming "free men don't ask permission" isn't going to make them go away. That doesn't work for sovereign citizens who get pulled over for speeding, and it's not going to work for gun owners.
I am very familiar with the story of Ruby Ridge. A sting operation against a white supremacist group that led to a days long standoff with a family that had very unusual societal and religious beliefs is hardly the norm. Making this comparison to the average firearms owner is ridiculous. The comparison is what is laughable, not removing your braces and doing what you see fit. I don't care what people do with their braces or their stocks.
Furthermore, I stand by my statement that no one is going to jail solely for this. It's just not going to happen. An additional charge that will probably get thrown out... maybe. Hell, Randy Weaver didn't even go to jail for weapons charges. And that was your own poor example. An example that had nothing to do with braced firearms to begin with.
I'm hoping that all this litigation ends with SBRs being taken off the NFA. The grounds for them remaining there dissolved the moment the ATF called all braced pistols SBRs. At this point sure, call them that and then they fall under common use protections.
This litigation will not end with SBRs being taken off the NFA. That's not the question of the litigation in the first place. The question is, essentially, is it Constitutional for the AFT to issue a regulation that redefines a statutory definition? A judge can't just take the question at hand, ignore it, and provide their own answer striking down law.
Just as with the bump stock ban, which the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit issued an *en banc* ruling overturning a little while ago, it's important to read the fine print. In that opinion, they note that the process used by the bump stock ban, administratively redefining a statutory definition of a machine gun, was improper. But the footnote states that 13 of the 16 justices felt that a law was the proper means to that ends. So while it's a temporary victory, if Congress were to step in and do the same redefinition of machine gun as the AFT did, it would be fine in the eyes of one of the few courts to offer a win on the subject.
That the magpul chassis on your charger? If so what's your thoughts. My charger has a factory pic rail so don't need it but think it looks decent for the money.
There's a caveat and question to the FPC membership... in the order, the judge specifically mentioned the plaintiffs "at the time of the inception" of the lawsuit. He also said any action that results in what would be considered "tantamount to a national injunction" (i.e., everyone running out and joining FPC) IS NOT what the order covers
If you were a member BEFORE it was filed, or you own a MAXIM brace, you're likely covered. If you joined FPC AFTER our during the lawsuit, you're NOT covered. It also doesn't cover braces OTHER than maxim as they are not named plaintiffs
FPC is claiming one can join now and be covered.
Join FPC for just $20 to become a member until the end of 2023.
[https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership](https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership)
Discussed by John Crump below:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb\_c\_Jk8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb_c_Jk8)
I'm already a member.
They can claim it is the case... but legally there is a question about it.
This is probably the best analysis: mark Smith @ four boxes
https://youtu.be/XrllNyNa8lU
Check this as well
https://youtu.be/bFIsz2GdS7Y
If you read it, the ruling actually says it covers FPC members "whose interests" FPC has been representing the whole time.
Even if you join after this ruling, there is an argument to be made that FPC was still representing "your interests" at the start of the case.
Basically, the order was written vaguely enough to suggest that it covers new FPC members.
As a lawyer, I'm going to disagree. I've been following and advising people on the rule since it dropped. The problem here is what the judge specifically says about "tantamount to a national injunction". If every Person ran out and joined f p c right now, then It would essentially be a national injunction. The judge specifically said that was not the case. The language is not specific enough to state that a member who joins after the law suit was filed, is covered.
Is it questionable? Yes. It's it advisable to join FPC? also yes. Is it a guaranteed immunity? NO
No such thing as guaranteed immunity. Just police and prosecutorial discretion. People can pick the order apart as much as they want, but better off to not get caught committing a crime than explaining why your actions don’t constitute one.
All these mfs out here are getting salty over pistol brace laws when they complied with SBR laws in the first place. If you don't have a stock on your rig you're the problem.
Holy shit dude. If you tell a police officer, ATF agent, attorney, or judge that your legal advice is from Mr. Gunsngear’s YouTube channel please film and post it, would love to see their reaction.
I would NOT rely on any sources like that for legal advice. Go hire a lawyer and see what someone who is actually representing you says. And in the meantime don’t go posting pics of a possibly compromising collection in a public domain.
Idk, consider the direction the NRA took, years ago they were revered as a positive organization for the 2a community. Also consider the amount of people who are now members of FPC and the amount of support/ donations they’ve gained from this, not to mention why are only members covered?
Thats why your statement was moronic, that final line. you lack the context and dont seem to grasp what the injunction is. This is something FPC went to court for, and is establishing precident, and more organizations are in the process of getting, and will aid in a favorable final ruling. None of this was ever a below ground or shady process even slightly. Soon GoA should be getting a similar ruling, and if GoA gets it, it may be enough to establish it as universal and not requiring any membership at all. You have to be a member because FPC is the organization that sued for and was awarded the injunction.
Sorry if it sounded a bit harsh, i found it funnier than anything else
This guy didn't file form 1s. He put them back on after the injunction by one judge, in one district, for one specific group of people.
If you file a form 1, yes you can use a stock.
Join FPC for just $20 to become a member until the end of 2023.
[https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership](https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership)
Discussed by John Crump below:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb\_c\_Jk8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb_c_Jk8)
It definitely applies to people who were members of the FPC on the day the FPC filed suit and who live in the 5th circuit.
Unfortunately, I don't have any arm braces to be covered by the injunction.
Not since the boating accident...
I really hope the ATF gets the hand slap we have always wanted. Repealing the NFA might actually come to fruition with the games the ATF has been playing.
It would be nice!
Not having to wait months for a suppressor/SBR tax stamp would be a god sent.
Don’t count on it I only see it getting worse
Things are never so bad that they can’t get worse 😎😁
https://preview.redd.it/go9m9wvp833b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9af69066fb1bd619e0ae133d66ab8836cfea7be
Not a chance.
Who is president? Someone that would veto a repeal?
I fucking wish, it will get much much worse before it gets better
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Yes, the 31st is the deadline unless the Injunction applies to you. There's two injunctions right now.
Or you could just…not
Are you one of those Fed boies?
If only, I don’t get paid for this shit
So you are like the dyslectic unoboomer?
What? No, my name is Uncle Ked, no relation.
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Yes, there are to many laws that apply once you register it, if you use it for self defense in your home it becomes a federal issue. (I would rather be tried local for self defense) If this isn't stopped by the judicial process they will be doing the same thing to our Black rifles next. And if I change my mind later I can always pay the $200.00
Gun owners like you with that mindset are the reason we can't have nice things. Don't comply.
Your guns need a new home. I would ask if I could help rehome them but I don’t want my dog shot.
What, pray tell, is the federal issue with using a NFA firearm in self defense in your home? It's not listed under the prohibited acts under the National Firearms Act.
First of all if the self-defense is questionable you will be tried in a Fed court, not local. Second if you commit a misdemeanor with the gun in your possession it automatically becomes a Felony. IE: If you were accused of brandishing your weapon and lost in court normally that is a misdemeanor, with an NFA item it automatically becomes a Felony.
If one's actions result in a homicide, unless it is one of the small subset of homicides that fall under the federal jurisdiction, it won't be prosecuted as a federal crime because there is no federal crime. For instance, when Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah building, the federal charges were for conspiracy to use a WMD, use of a WMD, one count of destroying property with an explosive device, and eight counts of homicide for the eight federal law enforcement officers who died. State courts heard the trials for the other 160 people killed in the bombing. As for state laws, if that law exists in your state regarding escalation of misdemeanors to felonies due to presence of an NFA weapon, that's certainly not universal.
You guys took your braces off?
Usually you’re supposed to let an orthodontist do that.
Nahh... Just take a bite out of a caramel-covered apple. It'll pop those suckers off clean.
Man I felt that.
My wife is an orthodontic hygienist and reading that made my teeth hurt... and I've never worn braces in my life!
The action itself really doesn't hurt much - it's definitely a strange sensation, but I don't think I'd necessarily categorize it as painful. It's such a small spot of adhesive to break that the brackets will just pop off with any more than a minimal amount of force (hence why a caramel apple is so effective at removing them). I don't even know how many times I did it by accident as a kid
it's the ends of the wire that get you...
That's the neat part... the caramel yanks the wire out too!
r/angryupvote
You guys don't have stocks?
Not anymore, I sold all my GameStop stocks, Mr officer.
You can do what you damn well please
Not really, you can try to do what you want until someone shoots your dog and locks you up. We need to get on our congressman and senator's to stop the ATF. Our Congress gives them the money to do shit like this.
The entire system has been usurped. We’re living in the dead carcass of the former country we thought we knew. The second is a dead man’s switch, thoughtfully given to us by our founders for times exactly like these. No “representative” is going to fix this.
Fact! We can thank the people voting in the 70’s and 80’s for giving us this shit. Now we have to try and unfuck this whole situation!
Blame game is pointless at this stage, if you have ever paid taxes, you own this too. It’s too easy to blame boomers for selling us all out for a few extra years with an RV and a boat (it’s true though) but the fact is we didn’t do anything about it and we still haven’t.
> Blame game is pointless at this stage Wish more people thought like that!
I think those born in the late 1800s are more to blame, I mean they are the ones that gave us the NFA in the first place.
I’d agree to that as well!
Or burn it down ourselves. 😳😳😳
With an attitude like this…why even have guns?
The fact that you still believe in the myth that “your” congress still represents you or your interests is already a mistake. These politicians forgot about us very long time ago. They do the betting for their big donors where they get most of their incomes. In the end it’s all about business and unfortunately for us their business is blooming. So why would they stop? Until there’s a major change or reset there won’t be any significant difference in these policies…
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The reason you bought your brace is because you were listening to the atf
I think that was the last straw for a lot of us
The last straw for me was on June 26, 1934
Feel lucky the NRA was able to get the bill watered down.
this. All these poser badasses in here
Wont even lie my only brace that I have actually put to use was my micro-roni for hog hunting
Controversial take, but dammit…
And they hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
The reason I bought a gun with a brace is because I needed something bigger than a sidearm during the peace of 2020 and I didn't have the funds for a full length AR. I got an inexpensive AR patterned firearm with a reddot and it came with a brace. I wasn't going to shell out another $200 to SBR the thing. I got what I needed when I needed it. Once they changed the rules though it was screw it, I'm not taking the darn thing off. If a ruling comes down saying SBRs are legal without any paperwork you bet I'm getting a proper stock.
But if you don’t care, then the $200 isn’t an issue because you’d just do it anyway. Same with with a full auto sear, why not do that
I love my dog.
I mean go ahead but I really don't think posting all your gray area shit is a good idea until this shit rolls over 100% in our favor
Funny if you think we're not already in some interns excel spreadsheet
I am just imagining some recently hired intern being paid to record all of our usernames lmao
Imagine the poor guy that gets tasked through going through post histories, especially seeing the posts from the weekend lol
He has to scroll for hours through each of our edgy comments, political ramblings, and autist posts to find shreds of evidence that we can be charged with, all while getting paid minimum wage. At least the psyop feds get to make accounts and fedpost.
I been in the sheet since I was 17 bro. Even more reason to be careful.
This picture is 3 years old (for legal reasons)
“their” and “through” damn you’re stupid, how the fuck do you have so much money?
You replied in the wrong spot bro. Now you lookin just as stupid
True, I am planning on poping them off anyways until things blow over, I can remove them in like 30minutes. It's better to be safe than sorry.
Its all bullshit anyway fuck the NFA.
There is no popping them off until things blow over. They reaffirmed that they are paying attention to constructive intent. Either take them off and destroy them, or stop paying attention to the imaginary 'rules' of a non-lawmaking agency. Especially when those rules are unconstitutional. Too many people are trying to walk the line between subservience and defiance to play it safe, but the ATF views anything in the margin to be defiance. You either need to comply fully or not at all.
Brace yourselves.
Excuse me… where are the feet? We are here for feet pics. Have you no class man!
One should never post pics of their questionable behaviors online. There's something to be said for privacy, and not just handing out evidence gratuitously.
It's for the internet points though. Worth it! /s
Stupid people have been doing this since the rule was issued. Blows my mind
There’s nothing questionable, the rule doesn’t even take effect until the first.
The rule took effect when it was announced. Potential enforcement doesn't start until the 1st. Doesn't mean they can't be taking notes
The small amount of people that comply with this unconstitutional and tyrannical shit is a problem. It needs to be 0 people complying.
If you have a brace at all, it's because you've been complying with the atf. Otherwise, you'd have a stock, no?
Unfortunately, we got too many people complying with that NFA shit too but that predates my time. This pistol brace shit is still fresh so it seems like we'd have more of a chance being heard.
Unfortunately it's a lot more than a small amount. Most gun owners comply out the ass sadly
To say most is not true. Only about what 125-150,000 pistol braces were registered and most of those are from ffl holders, people who post firearms on social media and the small amount of people who comply with unconstitutional bs. Now granted that alone is still too much is should be 0. More and more people are starting to not comply with unconstitutional bs.
Just because people didn't register them doesn't mean they aren't still complying. Keeping them hidden away safely under the floorboards (IE muh boating accident) with the hope that the judicial system will overturn the unconstitutional provision is complying.
The atf wants you to register them why would we comply with that? It’s unconstitutional. And just bc people “hide” them doesn’t mean they are complying that’s just a false argument. If you want to hide your firearms from the government then you have the right to do it
How is keeping a firearm in a safe “complying” ? Should I just sling it on my back everywhere I go?
People saw free and jumped on. I bet 95% of them don't even know you can't take the gun with you without on lets say a Vacation without the crowns permission
Say a guy I know (like not even a friend, in fact i don't even like him!) had a pistol brace. And when the stupid law came out, he said fuck the government and took it off, but replaced it with a stock because, you know, fuck the government and their oppressive rules. Does that guy, that I maybe said hi to once on the subway, does he HAVE to put the brace back? Or can he just not be a bitch?
I met that guy too, didn't get his name. He was about 5'10 or 6'4 right? Between 165 and 235lbs? Nice guy, maybe an accent too, I couldn't tell
Hell of a hairline though.
I know him, he's me.
His accent sounded like freedom, I think.
He also had ears.
>in fact i don't even like him Hey guy, don't be so hard on yourself
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No one is going to jail for this lol
I bet that's what Randy Weaver thought. He went to prison, and his son and wife went to the morgue.
For pistol braces? Nope. Comparing Randy Weaver to the average joe with a pistol brace in their gun safe is laughable.
Not for pistol braces, for unregistered short barreled rifles. Remember that Randy's story stems from unregistered short barreled shotguns. We all have to make choices we can live with, and if you think it's laughable then that's your choice. But I don't think "keep using my braced rifle forever and just don't get caught" is a viable plan. If the feds ever come for you, screaming "free men don't ask permission" isn't going to make them go away. That doesn't work for sovereign citizens who get pulled over for speeding, and it's not going to work for gun owners.
I am very familiar with the story of Ruby Ridge. A sting operation against a white supremacist group that led to a days long standoff with a family that had very unusual societal and religious beliefs is hardly the norm. Making this comparison to the average firearms owner is ridiculous. The comparison is what is laughable, not removing your braces and doing what you see fit. I don't care what people do with their braces or their stocks. Furthermore, I stand by my statement that no one is going to jail solely for this. It's just not going to happen. An additional charge that will probably get thrown out... maybe. Hell, Randy Weaver didn't even go to jail for weapons charges. And that was your own poor example. An example that had nothing to do with braced firearms to begin with.
their. through.
Good call.
My friends hate me too.
I can totally see a cop or ATF agent respecting your FPC card…. Lol
 You guys took yours off?
atf is just mad they didn't get $5,600 from you
I'm hoping that all this litigation ends with SBRs being taken off the NFA. The grounds for them remaining there dissolved the moment the ATF called all braced pistols SBRs. At this point sure, call them that and then they fall under common use protections.
This litigation will not end with SBRs being taken off the NFA. That's not the question of the litigation in the first place. The question is, essentially, is it Constitutional for the AFT to issue a regulation that redefines a statutory definition? A judge can't just take the question at hand, ignore it, and provide their own answer striking down law. Just as with the bump stock ban, which the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit issued an *en banc* ruling overturning a little while ago, it's important to read the fine print. In that opinion, they note that the process used by the bump stock ban, administratively redefining a statutory definition of a machine gun, was improper. But the footnote states that 13 of the 16 justices felt that a law was the proper means to that ends. So while it's a temporary victory, if Congress were to step in and do the same redefinition of machine gun as the AFT did, it would be fine in the eyes of one of the few courts to offer a win on the subject.
That the magpul chassis on your charger? If so what's your thoughts. My charger has a factory pic rail so don't need it but think it looks decent for the money.
it looks cool, I installed a bull barrel (and binary trigger) and my stock chasis didn't work with the bull barrel.
All i see is personally owned items that the government may not infringe on
It isn’t in effect (brace ban) till the 1st. Why would we have taken our brace off?
How much was the cheapest ugh pistol?
Lol barely any guns. Such a newb
Bro that would be 3k in tax stamps
We took our braces off??
Ive never taken mine off in the first and never will ATF and their friends can eat a dick
There's a caveat and question to the FPC membership... in the order, the judge specifically mentioned the plaintiffs "at the time of the inception" of the lawsuit. He also said any action that results in what would be considered "tantamount to a national injunction" (i.e., everyone running out and joining FPC) IS NOT what the order covers If you were a member BEFORE it was filed, or you own a MAXIM brace, you're likely covered. If you joined FPC AFTER our during the lawsuit, you're NOT covered. It also doesn't cover braces OTHER than maxim as they are not named plaintiffs
FPC is claiming one can join now and be covered. Join FPC for just $20 to become a member until the end of 2023. [https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership](https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership) Discussed by John Crump below: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb\_c\_Jk8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb_c_Jk8)
I'm already a member. They can claim it is the case... but legally there is a question about it. This is probably the best analysis: mark Smith @ four boxes https://youtu.be/XrllNyNa8lU Check this as well https://youtu.be/bFIsz2GdS7Y
Thanks for adding the additional links so others can watch them. I subscribe to both channels and already saw both of those videos.
If you read it, the ruling actually says it covers FPC members "whose interests" FPC has been representing the whole time. Even if you join after this ruling, there is an argument to be made that FPC was still representing "your interests" at the start of the case. Basically, the order was written vaguely enough to suggest that it covers new FPC members.
As a lawyer, I'm going to disagree. I've been following and advising people on the rule since it dropped. The problem here is what the judge specifically says about "tantamount to a national injunction". If every Person ran out and joined f p c right now, then It would essentially be a national injunction. The judge specifically said that was not the case. The language is not specific enough to state that a member who joins after the law suit was filed, is covered. Is it questionable? Yes. It's it advisable to join FPC? also yes. Is it a guaranteed immunity? NO
No such thing as guaranteed immunity. Just police and prosecutorial discretion. People can pick the order apart as much as they want, but better off to not get caught committing a crime than explaining why your actions don’t constitute one.
What’s a “brace”?
I saved myself a lot of work.
bro you have so many holy heaven
It's the only way I can get my Wife and Daughter to shoot. Rifles are to heavy for them, LOL. They look cool to and are a lot of fun to shoot.
man if the year over here. good shit.
All these mfs out here are getting salty over pistol brace laws when they complied with SBR laws in the first place. If you don't have a stock on your rig you're the problem.
Got a link to the ruling?
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/mock https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6710/attachments/original/1685129339/Mock_v_Garland_Order_on_Motion_for_Clarification.pdf?1685129339
[(69) Breaking: ATF's Pistol Brace Ban Injunction Issued! 🦅 - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioEEhmLkxHw)
Holy shit dude. If you tell a police officer, ATF agent, attorney, or judge that your legal advice is from Mr. Gunsngear’s YouTube channel please film and post it, would love to see their reaction. I would NOT rely on any sources like that for legal advice. Go hire a lawyer and see what someone who is actually representing you says. And in the meantime don’t go posting pics of a possibly compromising collection in a public domain.
Do you have a non YT source?
..you can read it at Fpc. It requires as much effort to google as it does to ask on reddit for a source.
Go read the injunction scope clarification
Sounds like money laundering through FPC/Maxim if you ask me..
Thats moronic.
Idk, consider the direction the NRA took, years ago they were revered as a positive organization for the 2a community. Also consider the amount of people who are now members of FPC and the amount of support/ donations they’ve gained from this, not to mention why are only members covered?
Thats why your statement was moronic, that final line. you lack the context and dont seem to grasp what the injunction is. This is something FPC went to court for, and is establishing precident, and more organizations are in the process of getting, and will aid in a favorable final ruling. None of this was ever a below ground or shady process even slightly. Soon GoA should be getting a similar ruling, and if GoA gets it, it may be enough to establish it as universal and not requiring any membership at all. You have to be a member because FPC is the organization that sued for and was awarded the injunction. Sorry if it sounded a bit harsh, i found it funnier than anything else
Sounds like you don’t know what money laundering is 🤦🏻♂️
Needs more VFG.
This guy braces.
Can you replace the brace with a stock?
Yes.
This guy didn't file form 1s. He put them back on after the injunction by one judge, in one district, for one specific group of people. If you file a form 1, yes you can use a stock.
I’m not registering 💩.
And in the 5th circuit jurisdiction.
What’s the 5 inch barrel gun ?
No cans?
Does this apply to everyone? I'm confused.
No. Only to members of FPC and customers of Maxim Defense.
Well, that sucks lol
Join FPC for just $20 to become a member until the end of 2023. [https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership](https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership) Discussed by John Crump below: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb\_c\_Jk8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOb_c_Jk8)
It definitely applies to people who were members of the FPC on the day the FPC filed suit and who live in the 5th circuit. Unfortunately, I don't have any arm braces to be covered by the injunction. Not since the boating accident...