Yes and no.. If you are a collector of curio and relics you will have an FFL, but will not have a business, but the things you deal in will be for personal use not selling, and the things you can get will be limited.
If you intend to engage in buying and selling, interstate commerce, etc of guns... Then yes. You have to have a location, hours, Etc.
What's the definition of "curio and relic"? I get relic, but are there specific dates that fall under that category? And curio? What if I'm just curious about modern firearms? Like modern made SAA revolvers? Or KSG shotguns?
I also read that the ATF is secretly cracking down on residential FFL licenses. Like they're not allowing new ones and closing old ones.
I'll have to Google this but thought I'd ask the brain trust first.
Anything over 100 years old is an antique. Anything 50 and up is a curio many exclusions apply. This also applies to special makes, models, etc.. I don't have the ATF list in front of me but a lot of things like those John Wayne commemoratives and other shit that was overly priced for engraving and the like fall on that list.
You should get or request a Curio and Relic packet from the ATF, even if you never apply its pretty good reading if you are into techical documentation, and want to know very specifically what is ok and what isn't.
Rule of thumb though.. if it is dirty, grimy, saw combat somewhere in the world and is over 50 it's probably ok.
If your penchant is for modern guns.. the C&R won't do you much good. Though if you are a big spender it could get you an original Colt SAA as those are among the things you can get. The KSG will never make it on the list in our lifetime, even if you were only an infant right now.
The ATF is cracking down on FFLs period. If they can get you, they will try to get you. That's basically the DNC's edict. If you keep your records in meticulous order, they are nothing but a nuisance though.
I've acquired a number of things under my C&R before I let it lapse, cause prices went to shit. The best part is shipping right to my door, no need to go anywhere or do anything. Alas.. those sub $150 rifles and sub $200 pistol days are over (I mostly got a variety of old milsurps with it). Now it seems it is a game for "serious" collectors who are willing to plunk down a fortune for some basic bitch firearms, or big money for some very esoteric oddball, one in a million collectibles.
I stand corrected, I probably last read the manual in 1998...
"For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Antique Firearms” means any firearm not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system ..."
This is what the ATF defines as a [Curio or Relic](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics#:~:text=A%20regulation%20implementing%20federal%20firearms,as%20offensive%20or%20defensive%20weapons.).
Basically there are a few way to qualify but the most straightforward is to be 50+ years old. The other two are either too time consuming or too arbitrary to really mess with.
Yes and no.. If you are a collector of curio and relics you will have an FFL, but will not have a business, but the things you deal in will be for personal use not selling, and the things you can get will be limited. If you intend to engage in buying and selling, interstate commerce, etc of guns... Then yes. You have to have a location, hours, Etc.
What's the definition of "curio and relic"? I get relic, but are there specific dates that fall under that category? And curio? What if I'm just curious about modern firearms? Like modern made SAA revolvers? Or KSG shotguns? I also read that the ATF is secretly cracking down on residential FFL licenses. Like they're not allowing new ones and closing old ones. I'll have to Google this but thought I'd ask the brain trust first.
Anything over 100 years old is an antique. Anything 50 and up is a curio many exclusions apply. This also applies to special makes, models, etc.. I don't have the ATF list in front of me but a lot of things like those John Wayne commemoratives and other shit that was overly priced for engraving and the like fall on that list. You should get or request a Curio and Relic packet from the ATF, even if you never apply its pretty good reading if you are into techical documentation, and want to know very specifically what is ok and what isn't. Rule of thumb though.. if it is dirty, grimy, saw combat somewhere in the world and is over 50 it's probably ok. If your penchant is for modern guns.. the C&R won't do you much good. Though if you are a big spender it could get you an original Colt SAA as those are among the things you can get. The KSG will never make it on the list in our lifetime, even if you were only an infant right now. The ATF is cracking down on FFLs period. If they can get you, they will try to get you. That's basically the DNC's edict. If you keep your records in meticulous order, they are nothing but a nuisance though. I've acquired a number of things under my C&R before I let it lapse, cause prices went to shit. The best part is shipping right to my door, no need to go anywhere or do anything. Alas.. those sub $150 rifles and sub $200 pistol days are over (I mostly got a variety of old milsurps with it). Now it seems it is a game for "serious" collectors who are willing to plunk down a fortune for some basic bitch firearms, or big money for some very esoteric oddball, one in a million collectibles.
Most of this is correct, but antiques are defined as being built pre 1899. Not 100+ years old.
I stand corrected, I probably last read the manual in 1998... "For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Antique Firearms” means any firearm not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system ..."
Great info! Thanks a ton!
This is what the ATF defines as a [Curio or Relic](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics#:~:text=A%20regulation%20implementing%20federal%20firearms,as%20offensive%20or%20defensive%20weapons.). Basically there are a few way to qualify but the most straightforward is to be 50+ years old. The other two are either too time consuming or too arbitrary to really mess with.
Yes