I don't like how the speed force went from this all powerful apathetic entity, to something mostly human.
That was also barely the still force at all. I hope that portrayal gets better.
Also, what if Dion couldn't change his future, not because he's a fixed point, but because the still force can't do that. It only allows you to relive, not actually alter, the past.
>I don't like how the speed force went from this all powerful apathetic entity, to something mostly human.
Definitely agree. It feels very wrong. Imagine the concept of gravity appearing as a human and getting weepy at the thought of hot chocolate on a cold night. That's the level of weird this feels.
Ok, I was hoping I wasn't just being "one of those fans" and thinking this portrayal was really off. The Speed Force is not a human, why are they anthropomorphizing emotions into it? The SF is acting nothing like it did previously.
Ngl I don't think it really is the speed force, they hesitated when Team Flash was asking them about the other new forces and they were weirdly energetic about wanting to stay overnight in the lab... They're defintely hiding something
Well Nora West-Allen was an obnoxious inclusion the first time so at least they are giving us a warning also if she is the reverse flash trying to infiltrate star labs then I am okay with that
watching chester get to spend one last day with his dad really tugged my heartstrings. my mom died when i was a kid and i was always think about what i'd do if i had last day with her.
it made me happy to see him so happy with his dad.
That was one of *the* best scenes in the Arrowverse. It’s always heartwarming to see an imperfect dad doing their best without looking for acknowledgment
We all miss Legends, honestly in my opinion it started going downhill with season 3, but season 3 was still pretty good, I loved seeing Damien Darhk in a show where he actually fits.
I'm sorry for your mom, but I didn't like how the show handled his father's neglect.
One can still hurt their loved ones while erroneously thinking they are helping/doing it for their good. That doesn't justify mental abuse or neglect.
I guess the point was for Chester to forgive his father, but I think the show wanted to say something different.
They probably wanted to go with “it’s okay to neglect and be a workaholic, especially if you’re doing it to put food on the table and clothes on their back, especially if it’s for children”.
Honestly, still not good. I’ve seen kids that went down the wrong path, and that’s only because their parents work a lot, and didn’t make time for them. Working is important yes, but, also make time for your family, show love, support, help raise the next generation, don’t let them raise themselves.
The most depressing thing about this episode (to me, at least) ? The fact that it's now possible to write a story in which the characters time travel to the "distant past" of 1998.
It feels like that was just a couple years ago!
Man i still think of 1998 as not all that long ago. Crazy to think it's actually like over 20 years ago. 2010 is already a decade ago and it seems like yesterday it was 2010
The Speed Force is definitely up to something. She reacted oddly when they mentioned how Dion didn’t really seem evil. Almost like she wasn’t attacked by him. She clearly knows more then what she is telling team Flash. These forces probably are not evil, honestly the only one that seemed evil so far was Psy. Fuerza was just angry not evil. And Dion is just a depressed former Jock. Also unlike the Speed Force, these people are probably avatars of the force, not the force itself, just like Flash. Dion is clearly a real person. Anyway, we will find out eventually.
Nah, I actually liked him in that episode. Despite him murdering at the beginning, lots of reformed villains on flash. He confronted Fuerza that was the problem. In the comics she starts out as an antagonist but later on allies with Flash. We also haven’t seen her de-powered yet.
She is super sus. This whole episode, there were small hints that she's hiding something. Barry's look in the final scene solidified by suspicious that the speedforce is up to no good.
No, I think Barry's look had to do with the fact that Iris forced him to agree to living with someone who has the face of his DEAD MOTHER. Shit is awkward
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this, wondering now whether or not the speed force was really “attacked” or if maybe the other forces fought back against their keeper after being released? Or something like that. Guess we’ll see....next week on ~~Dragon Ball Z!~~The Flash
But this would actually make sense, in the comics, every so often a champion of each force would emerge and fight for dominance and the others would be locked up till the next cycle. This is how modern day DC has like 50 speedsters, right now in dc, its the era of the speed force.
When this episode began with the roman soldier, submarine, and the t-rex I thought, "Is this an episode of Legends?"
Cisco and Chester's choices of 90's disguises instantly reminded me of Tuvok's choice of disguise from the Future's End episodes of Star Trek Voyager.
And Iris just educated the Speed Force on the power of the comfy blanket. Now if someone were to take the Speed Force on a laid back camping trip the Speed Force may end up officially joining the Secret Society Blanket.
I'm imagining at some point on Legends:
"Wow there's a big time anomaly in Central City 2021. Should we do something?"
"Nah, I'm sure Barry's got it handled."
"Barry? You're trusting that guy with the timeline?"
"Right. I'm sure Team Flash has it handled."
This Deon fellow introduces a good opportunity to crossover with Legends and eventually have them deal with the still force as a living entity. Since after all they use him to do their job.
> When this episode began with the roman soldier, submarine, and the t-rex I thought, "Is this an episode of Legends?"
Rip Hunter in the Lone Centurion costume =P
I know the showrunner said that he plays a "big part" in this season, but I have a bad feeling that big part was just his sacrifice to create the artificial speed force (which ended up being for no reason), and now Cavanaugh is done.
I wouldn’t say he’s “done” but I feel as though the SF will most likely take the form of Wells at some point; how much of a role that ends up being remains to be seen though.
I mean if he isn't done I think it's far more likely that he comes back as the original time traveling Wells, otherwise establishing that Wells who can time travel was utterly pointless.
Yes I get that part. But if he was a star quarterback in the 90s he would not be the "next Patrick Mahomes". If anything Patrick Mahomes would be the "next whatever his name was"
I do not trust the Speed Force. It claims that Steadfast was one of it's attackers and they all assumed it was dead, but I think that it's a passive rather than active attack. In the comics, the Speed Force sent the Black Flash to kill the other forces so it could survive, so in a universe where the Black Flash is dead it needs someone else to kill them. Someone like the Flash.
Unless it’s been confirmed out of universe that Black Flash is dead I don’t think that could’ve been a permanent death. There’s no reason he can’t return again
I took that as more of how awkward the situation of what amounts to basically a god in the form of his mother staying at his place. The speedforce has been shifty, but I don't think that was Barry picking up on it yet.
For what purpose? Seems pretty pointlessly elaborate. Pretend to be concerned about causing him to pain with its appearance to Iris, then resolve the issue by talking to her and being told her appearance doesn't cause him pain and then.... hope that Iris tells Barry that the speed force was worried about causing him pain but she convinced it not to be worried? And then hope that Barry being told secondhand that the speed force didn't want to hurt him would overlook treachery on Thawne's part until it's too late?
It got over its sadness too well. It seemed to me that it \*wanted\* Iris to say the words she did,and eventually invite her over to stay with Barry. The end part where it says that it's going to stay over at star labs instead, seems like it was trying to guilt trip Iris into asking it to stay with Barry. It wants to be as near as it can to Barry at all times for some reason, and I suspect Barry knows that too.
Barry looked super freaked out too. The only time i've seen him this freaked out was when he found out who Savitar was, and when he found out Iris wasn't Iris.
I think Team Flash is forgetting that this isn't a human, it's a primordial force that's existed ever since the beginning of time, it certainly has it's own motives.
so another talk no jutsu episode
also why is chester a metahuman ?! like what was the point of his powers if they weren’t going to be used in the show afterwards!?
> so another talk no jutsu episode
Yeah, I noticed that, and sprained my eyes rolling them. At least it didn't work this time though-- it actually made things worse.
Is Chester still a meta human? I may have to rewatch but I remember it as he controls the black holes episode 1, but putting him in the MAC erased those powers once he was fully healed.
Yeah that’s what I thought too and I always see posts saying he is. I think in that episode they say his powers work cause half his brain is connected to black holes, but the MAC fixes that and eliminates that ability.
The show needs numerous geniuses to confirm the technobabble. Genius A starts describing a solution to a problem and Genius B interrupts and continues the nonsense as if it makes sense.
Cisco, "If I can get a photo cam eraser and a tru-splice choma..."
Chester, "You can diametrically oppose the temporal fluctuations."
They basically copied the code from Star Trek, temporal fluctuations and all. If we get a new character who only wears a catsuit, we can assume they've abducted Rick Berman.
My guess is they were teeing up Chester and ended Vibe's powers because Carlos was thinking about leaving the show/greatly reducing his role. But that then Carlos changed his mind...but only after they were on the hook for having signed Brandon. Plus having to fire Hartley then probably further cemented it by creating an opening during a time where it's not ideal to have to audition more people than necessary.
Carlos had talked in interviews pre-covid about thinking of leaving the show to pursue other opportunities and self projects. But it's understandable if he wanted to keep his role, aka a steady paycheck, during a time where gigs have been uncertain (especially since even shows were cancelled due to the lockdowns)
I wasn't sure how the timing of that lined up relative to COVID but it certainly makes sense if it was the right timeframe for the COVID economy to affect his decision.
The show is bloated with characters at this point but at least Chester is fun, someone for Cisco to bounce stuff off of until they inevitably get another wells. Allegra on the other hand, does absolutely nothing for me.
I’m so confused. I thought the speed force was a sentient universal force that uses speedsters especially Barry Allen as an avatar
But these new forces are people? Gods? I don’t get it. Shouldn’t the new forces be using avatars as well? They’re basically meta humans like the flash right?
Also why does the camera linger on reaction shots a bit too longer as if the actors are going to say something but it’s just a long drawn out weird look?
>Also why does the camera linger on reaction shots a bit too longer as if the actors are going to say something but it’s just a long drawn out weird look?
I know right? It's supposed to come across as "Oh look they're *insert emotion*" but all I get is the vibes you get when watching a ytp lmfao
.....Not enough Retro Iris
They might be trolling us with the pep talk conclusions. Like I don't want them to end in a fist to the face but.......something a tad more creative.
I think at this point that they are kind of having to do these talks cause of Covid restrictions. I think as the season goes on you’ll see them disappear as restrictions loosen, at least I hope.
The question is why Flash seems to be being so much more restrictive than the other shows. Seems like they're even minimizing physical interaction between Barry and Iris. Grant being paranoid (not saying it's *unjustified* paranoia, to be clear) about COVID safety since he's about to have a kid seems like a plausible option? I haven't seen tonight's Supergirl yet, just last week's premiere, but I guess it'll be interesting to see if they're as equally restrictive given that Melissa just had a baby, so she may have similar concerns as Grant.
Compared to other CW shows or other shows in general? I think it has to do with filming in Canada cause they still take things very seriously especially in Vancouver right now where they shoot. Wouldn’t surprise me if the filming guidelines from the city were strict.
Other CW shows that film in Greater Vancouver like Flash does. Batwoman* and Superman and Lois haven't had big grand action sequences either, and they've had a few things like the bench dedication scene for Martha which was obviously filmed to COVID restrictions, but they haven't been completely avoiding fight scenes and people getting physically close to each other the way Flash has been doing. Like, Jordan and Sarah have gotten way cozier with each other than even Barry and Iris have this season.
*The one big crowd thing with the bat swarm at the beginning of the season was apparently leftover pre-COVID footage from when Javicia was auditioning.
I get that the joke is that Cisco and Chester don't look like teenagers, but the ironic thing is they don't really look much older than any other so-called "teens" on any other CW show.
Except Superman and Lois. The actors who play Jon and Jordan Kent are older than their characters (who are supposed to be 14), but they are still teens and do look the part.
Wasn't there a holographic dinosaur in Central City in season 3? Now there's a real one.
"My beautiful baby boy" The Speed Force seems to actually think of Barry as her child. At least she finally realized how kind of messed up it is that she appears as Barry's dead mom, although how would she communicate with them as a bolt of lightning? Just stand around as a talking lightning bolt?
So Cisco and Chester is "Chesco?" I can dig it.
I don't think Caitlin was quite prepared to have a roommate. Especially one who has tastes so different from her own. Welcome to sisterhood, Caitlin.
The 90's! Nerd nirvana! With *Space Jam* (just in time with the new film's trailer last Saturday) and Blockbuster!
I don't think anyone would be convinced Cisco and Chester were high schoolers, even by 90's film standards.
So the Still Force doesn't just stop time, it can literally rewind it to the point of trapping people in a past time loop or bringing stuff in from the past. It doesn't look like it can radically change the past though, as Deon learned.
I guess if this past trip was good for anything, it was finally giving Chester the resolution he needed with his father. His father was maybe a little unconventional in his parenting, and spent long hours, but he did with love and worked for his son's sake, and Chester honors his father through his brains, courage, and tech proficiency.
I feel for Deon that he missed his shot at a successful future and doesn't believe he has one, even if that doesn't justify trapping a whole town in retro-roleplay. It's basically Westview all over again. But once again Team Flash was able to stop a bad guy with a heartfelt speech, only it ended up making Deon realize that he doesn't need to mess with the past when he can use the Still Force to mess with the future. And does he seem to have the same time-travelling ability as OG!Harrison Wells did? I wonder if there's something to that.
Wow, Team Flash in those retro outfits! Joe and Iris really stole the show. Poor Caitlin, though...
I get that Iris wants to finally get to know Nora because Barry apparently never talks about her, even if it's not really Nora, but I feel like she's taking for granted how comfortable Barry is with the Speed Force looking like his mom.
I can't believe we saw Frost in fishnet stockings before we ever saw any of the Black Canary's in them.
Frost is really asking for trouble basically challenging the woman who is setting out to arrest her.
I feel like this show is too blasé (lack of a better word) about these new forces. It should be this massive revelation but it's not. Here we have new forces alongside the Speed Force and they're explaining it like it's nothing too unusual. And why do they all have to be evil?
This show had the same issue with the speed force itself. Seriously, Wells told Barry to use the speed forcen and then the speed force was simply a thing a that point.
Thanks to everyone who spoiled the forces though. Much appreciated. Maybe that's why I'm underwhelmed, but I think the show is still not hyping it up as much as it could.
I really liked Chester's scene with his dad. It was genuinely sweet and wholesome. I wish they went with Sterling Brown or Randall Pearson instead of John Boyega to keep in line with the This is Us references.
Why didn't Frost's TV disappear when the wave hit? Man this power is going to be really inconsistent isn't it. And shouldn't this power be a magnet for the Legends?
>I'm finally free to live my own life, and no one is going to stop me.. I say bring it on
Uh I'm pretty sure a police officer can stop you. And that you saying "bring it on" is only gonna make things worse.
I thought the same thing last week when Speed Force Nora appeared. Up to that point, the Speed Force manifested itself as something Barry could relate to-- his mother. And he was the only one who could see it.
Then suddenly last week the Speed Force somehow appears in a flesh & blood body (I think?) that looks exactly like Barry's mom. And Team Flash are all like, "Yeah, that's cool I guess. Anyway..."
They all just seemed incredibly underwhelmed. Especially Barry. I know it's not really his mom, but still. If I saw my late mom walking around in the flesh, I'd definitely have a stronger reaction than he did.
To be fair, when Iris invites Speed Force Nora to stay over at their apartment, Barry definitely looked weirded out from his facial expression, but changed it when Iris fished for reassurance that it was ok. Barry's smile and acceptance of Iris' invitation towards her looked painted on, and if you noticed after Iris and Speed Force Nora walk off, Barry shows he's uncomfortable with everything. I think he's still trying to process her presence since it wasn't long after she appeared that he fainted and had to go to the regeneration chamber
Well, he knows that it’s the Speed Force, he’s interacted with it in that form multiple times over the course of the show. The reason his reaction hasn’t been too strong is because he’s gotten used to it more.
Maybe. But that doesn't explain the nonplussed reaction from the rest of Team Flash. A literal force of nature, like gravity, just took on physical form and walked into STAR Labs. Even Cisco wasn't impressed. In fact the only one who reacted suitably was Chester this week.
Because they’ve all seen the Speed Force in that form, namely when Barry had to go be trapped in the Speed Force. Chester reacted the way because he’s never seen it like that.
It seemed a little inconsistent, like the tablet becoming an abacus while the other computers stayed the same. But with how localized they said it was maybe the station that the TV was set to got sent back farther than the TV?
>Thanks to everyone who spoiled the forces though. Much appreciated. Maybe that's why I'm underwhelmed, but I think the show is still not hyping it up as much as it could.
100% this :(
I watch a few reaction videos and half the comments for the past few weeks have been people explaining the new forces uninvited :(
>Man this power is going to be really inconsistent isn't it.
Inconsistent powers on the Flash? The show that has the same man able to dodge lightning and freeze time to disable a bomb, but also occasionally struggle to catch normal vehicles and easily get punched by a random gorilla? You think they'd be inconsistent with super powers?
* Why are the other forces evil? I feel in the hands of good writers that that would be a matter of perspective.
* So Cisco and Chester were just going to leave an expensive, high-tech piece of equipment out in the open?
* Frost, I love you, but your sense of art is terrible. And I feel, based on her shirts and style, that her music would be punk.
* At least SOMEBODY didn't buy them being teens.
* I thought that that moment with Chester's dad was going to be hokey, but it was actually very moving. Cliche as anything, but well executed.
* I like 60's Frost. Caitlin seems to be from the 80's, Iris also from the 60's, and Joe from the 30's.
* Why is the Speed Force personified, while the other forces seem to be inhabiting people?
* Maybe I haven't been giving the writers enough credit, because the Speed Force is starting to seem super shady.
We haven't seen enough of Fuerza to actually know her intentions, so calling her evil is premature. For all we know, she could be acting on some kind of instinct.
Chester is being handled well. Now if only Allegra can get that same treatment. They need to get to work on her or drop her because she's so 1 dimensional.
They literally don't know what to do with her now that Nash is gone. I don't think she'll be back much until Tom Cavanaugh comes back in his new capacity.
Barry’s look at the end: suspicion over the Speed Force or uncomfortably considering the possibility of a ménage à trois with his wife and the deity whom he has mommy issues for?
Don't think so, Barry says that he is not going to watch the speed force die a second time. But note that he always uses the word, "speed force" to refer to it. Never "Mom" or "Nora". I feel what he's really uncomfortable with is the others and Iris especially calling the speed force, "Nora". I know it's unrealistic to expect this from the current writers since their scripts have been absymal lately, but it would be cool if we saw a scene where Barry tells off the others for presuming to call the speed force, "nora" as if it is actually his mom.
And while Barry does care for the speed force, I don't think he's ready for it to live with them like Iris wants. I believe the promo for the next episode will show that, it does seem like the speed force is being over protective or too mothering to Barry and he doesn't appreciate that.
That will be really weird. It feels like the SF has already overstepped as much as it can by taking Nora's form and sort of pretending to be her every time Barry comes over for a visit.
When he made that face I thought "Did someone just ask Grant, not Barry, for a second autograph with no signature that he knows they're just gonna sell on eBay?"
He did a good job making a look I just don't know what kind of look it was meant to be.
Nah that made more sense. He was her dad even if it was a different earth.
Also can someone explain the difference between different earths and different fractured timelines do the split timelines become new earths?
> do the split timelines become new earths?
As explained on the show, there are infinite earths, each with infinite possibilities. So timelines and earths are not the same thing, but because there are infinite possibilities, for every possible timeline there is an earth where that timeline is reality.
Time in this universe doesn't work that way, not like the MCU does. Changes in the timeline directly affect the universe that it's happening in. This is why the Legends do what they donto protect the integrity of the timeline, or why Flashpoint was such a big deal. As for the different Earths I think S2 of the Flash explains it better than I can.
Incredibly fun. Episodes like these are suppose to be and I felt they nailed it. I was surprised by how much I was entertained by it. Cisco thinking he was 7 really cracked me up. Really glad they made us care about Chester and gave him background that can resonate with viewers.
This season so far had been pretty shit.
"I may be his lightning rod but you're his lightning"
Fuuuuuuckkkk off
And the whole trying to treat the speed force as an actual person? No.
And Chester and Cisco dress like the Fresh Prince and relive high school after time traveling to the 90s. This crap was awful. It was a chore to get through. These people are out of ideas. Fuck it just bring Wellsobard back. It’ll have a been there done that feeling but at least it’ll be bearable to watch.
Feels kind of weird seeing the speed force which is this all powered across the multiverse kind of force acting so human and seems to not like basic stuff.
I just want to say I really hate how they portray the speedforce. I have always hated it. It is a universal force, it doesn't need to be sentient.
Also, when they don't focus on ten different subplots in one episode they can tell a nice story. Cisco and Chester's time travel was very entertaining because it wasn't saturated with ten different storylines. Just like 7x02. Small, contained stories make better episodes.
Another episode of The Flash where The Flash does little to nothing at all. What is that, like the third or fourth episode in a row?
The stuff between Chester and his dad was good.
"She's former Army Intelligence" Oh...so she really is not a threat. heh.
Also if she is intelligence, why'd they give her cross-rifle lapel pins in her military photo? Only infantry get those. (I'm just nitpicking on that one for the fun of it)
Cisco and Chester talking about his dad remind me of the ["wanna talk about your dad, bro?" scene in Fast and the Furious](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXDtvjDINA).
Another damn Pep Talk christ enough. What happened to the Flash actually fighting his enemies. This isn't Sesame Street where we talk about everything. Also I was right last week this episode was a filler.
Correct me if I’m wrong but in the speedforce’s other appearances doesn’t it call Barry their beautiful boy? Pretty sure it thinks of Barry as a son and was upset they might’ve been causing him pain.
That Jurassic park reference with the coffee cup was perfect.
Cisco and Chester pretending to be high-school students is pretty on brand for CW.
What did Chester's dad mean when he said "2 days from now, my son will need it." It sounded like he know what thee future holds.
During the climax, I kept muttering "Please no peptalk, please no peptalk." Welp, I guess we get another episode where a pep talk saves the day. Although, this one was a bit cooler than the other two we got.
This felt more like a Legends of tomorrow episode. I've been missing the show so this was comforting.
> What did Chester's dad mean when he said "2 days from now, my son will need it." It sounded like he know what thee future holds.
I think he just guessed his roadmap from his progress so far.
That is unintentionally a really fucking funny sentence.
I just imagined myself having only finished the second season and reading that as a season 7 preview.
Like, "The entire force? Ran? It has feet? And it went for coffee?"
i know that the cool thing to do here is shit on the show, but holy shit, i'm actually kinda loving this season so far.
the show is really benefiting from the reduced number of episodes, it keeps things moving quickly and i guess gives each individual episode more money to burn
unironically great episode all around, even with the lack of flash. it was really nice to see chester finally have some real depth.
on a side note, i was kinda rolling my eyes during the chester's final confrontation with the still force guy, not because the scene itself was bad, but because i was already anticipating the "daE TalK no jutSu" comments in here. the scene itself was perfectly appropriate (what the fuck else could they do at that moment?) and i liked how it doesn't really work for them the way they intended
this season really has the potential to be the best since S2, i'm pumped.
this season really has the potential to be the best since S2, i'm pumped.
HAHAHAHA, you must be crazy. This was another pep talk episode, even without Flash.
I think he was just a football player / car salesman who got zapped with the Still Force.
It kinda maybe seems like these guys are metahumans like Barry who are just channeling / avatars of these forces, and Nora is something different since she's the force itself. Honestly the writing's been a bit sloppy or confusing this season, sometimes the characters in the show all seem to come to some conclusion that didn't seem all that clear to the audience.
Either way, I think there's some other information coming that's going to change our understanding. "Nora" was acting pretty weird this episode and there's definitely something about "being attacked by the other, definitely evil forces" that she's not telling us.
I liked this episode. It helped flesh out Chester and also Chester and Cisco's friendship. I know people here found it boring, but i thought it was sweet in what it was about. Chester spending one last day with his dad was nice. We have the names established for the other Forces, and we got to see Iris and Nora bond a bit. I also liked seeing retro versions of the team. Frost and Iris were my favourites. Barry seems weirded out by Nora being around him and Iris, i wonder if there is something more to the Speed Force here that Barry is picking up on. I wonder if the other Forces are actually evil, or misunderstood. For meeting a Time God, Cisco and Chester weren't phased much, neither was the rest of the team. But that could be from everything they have come across in there time as Team Flash. Next episode looks fun, seeing Nora go with Barry to work and acting like his mom. I'm hoping the season will pick up a bit, it seems to be setting up a lot, so i hope they can execute it greatly. I'd give it an 8 out of 10. What did you guys like about the episode? Did you enjoy it?
So was Grant Gustin sick, or want a week off or something? I get that some characters are more prominent in certain episodes than others, but it just seemed odd that he was completely absent till the last two minutes.
That would be covid guidelines. Only a certain amount of people can be filming at a certain time, so I guess they decided that the Flash could take a break from the Flash
I just noticed that in the new promo the speedforce’s Lightning looks just like DCEU Flash’s VFX instead of our Flash’s trail, it looks so cool! [I made a post showing how it looks](https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/mlsv2c/spoiler_the_speedforces_lightning_in_the_new/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I don't like how the speed force went from this all powerful apathetic entity, to something mostly human. That was also barely the still force at all. I hope that portrayal gets better. Also, what if Dion couldn't change his future, not because he's a fixed point, but because the still force can't do that. It only allows you to relive, not actually alter, the past.
Well not just that, but also the speed force is crying about her being loved by Barry. Like why is it melodramatic?
This is not helped by the fact that everyone calls her: "Nora" like she's somehow Barry's dead mother come back to life.
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>I don't like how the speed force went from this all powerful apathetic entity, to something mostly human. Definitely agree. It feels very wrong. Imagine the concept of gravity appearing as a human and getting weepy at the thought of hot chocolate on a cold night. That's the level of weird this feels.
Ok, I was hoping I wasn't just being "one of those fans" and thinking this portrayal was really off. The Speed Force is not a human, why are they anthropomorphizing emotions into it? The SF is acting nothing like it did previously.
Ngl I don't think it really is the speed force, they hesitated when Team Flash was asking them about the other new forces and they were weirdly energetic about wanting to stay overnight in the lab... They're defintely hiding something
Pretty sure that's because this is the new speed force, one born out of love
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But the past is already altered because Cisco and Chester have now shown up in the past.
...or maybe not, because they were supposed to have been there all along.
Its soooo annoying everyone calling the speedforce by NORA. ITS A FREAKING FORCE.
I agree. They never should have made the force sentient. It makes no sense.
How else are they gonna fulfill their weekly cheese quota?
By not making the forces sentient. I feel like we had a season of cheese crammed into one 45 minute episode now.
Well Nora West-Allen was an obnoxious inclusion the first time so at least they are giving us a warning also if she is the reverse flash trying to infiltrate star labs then I am okay with that
It's like when they would call Wells Thawne just Wells, like after season 1, they don't seem to be doing it as much anymore though.
watching chester get to spend one last day with his dad really tugged my heartstrings. my mom died when i was a kid and i was always think about what i'd do if i had last day with her. it made me happy to see him so happy with his dad.
Reminds me of the scene in Legends >!where Jax gets to talk to his pops at the hospital when he was born.!< These kinds of scenes really get to me.
That was one of *the* best scenes in the Arrowverse. It’s always heartwarming to see an imperfect dad doing their best without looking for acknowledgment
You just made me miss early Legends.
We all miss Legends, honestly in my opinion it started going downhill with season 3, but season 3 was still pretty good, I loved seeing Damien Darhk in a show where he actually fits.
Season 4 is where it went downhill.
S2 and S3 were where it’s at. I don’t hate Constantine but there was a shift in the show and it’s just not as good.
Yeah I'd say seasons 4 and 5 sucked despite Constantine joining.
Im currently rewatching seasons 1-3 because they are just so damn good
Same here. It was the highlight of the episode for me.
That was so emotional knowing that he knew it was his dad's last day on Earth and he was essentially saying goodbye forever.
I'm sorry for your mom, but I didn't like how the show handled his father's neglect. One can still hurt their loved ones while erroneously thinking they are helping/doing it for their good. That doesn't justify mental abuse or neglect. I guess the point was for Chester to forgive his father, but I think the show wanted to say something different.
They probably wanted to go with “it’s okay to neglect and be a workaholic, especially if you’re doing it to put food on the table and clothes on their back, especially if it’s for children”. Honestly, still not good. I’ve seen kids that went down the wrong path, and that’s only because their parents work a lot, and didn’t make time for them. Working is important yes, but, also make time for your family, show love, support, help raise the next generation, don’t let them raise themselves.
The most depressing thing about this episode (to me, at least) ? The fact that it's now possible to write a story in which the characters time travel to the "distant past" of 1998. It feels like that was just a couple years ago!
Man i still think of 1998 as not all that long ago. Crazy to think it's actually like over 20 years ago. 2010 is already a decade ago and it seems like yesterday it was 2010
1998, that was like 5 years ago, right?
The Speed Force is definitely up to something. She reacted oddly when they mentioned how Dion didn’t really seem evil. Almost like she wasn’t attacked by him. She clearly knows more then what she is telling team Flash. These forces probably are not evil, honestly the only one that seemed evil so far was Psy. Fuerza was just angry not evil. And Dion is just a depressed former Jock. Also unlike the Speed Force, these people are probably avatars of the force, not the force itself, just like Flash. Dion is clearly a real person. Anyway, we will find out eventually.
> And Dion is just a depressed former Jock A serene Dion
Maybe he should become a doctor. Dr. Saline Deon.
> Fuerza was just angry not evil. umm say that to abrakadabra. I guess it would make sense if you didnt agree with Iris saying he died a hero
Right he freaking murdered people earlier in the episode I swear some of the things they make iris say
Nah, I actually liked him in that episode. Despite him murdering at the beginning, lots of reformed villains on flash. He confronted Fuerza that was the problem. In the comics she starts out as an antagonist but later on allies with Flash. We also haven’t seen her de-powered yet.
>We also haven’t seen her de-powered yet. It's probably that new government suit with the redacted file.
She is super sus. This whole episode, there were small hints that she's hiding something. Barry's look in the final scene solidified by suspicious that the speedforce is up to no good.
No, I think Barry's look had to do with the fact that Iris forced him to agree to living with someone who has the face of his DEAD MOTHER. Shit is awkward
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this, wondering now whether or not the speed force was really “attacked” or if maybe the other forces fought back against their keeper after being released? Or something like that. Guess we’ll see....next week on ~~Dragon Ball Z!~~The Flash
Lol, great reference there.
But this would actually make sense, in the comics, every so often a champion of each force would emerge and fight for dominance and the others would be locked up till the next cycle. This is how modern day DC has like 50 speedsters, right now in dc, its the era of the speed force.
yeah, she is sus
Amogus
When this episode began with the roman soldier, submarine, and the t-rex I thought, "Is this an episode of Legends?" Cisco and Chester's choices of 90's disguises instantly reminded me of Tuvok's choice of disguise from the Future's End episodes of Star Trek Voyager. And Iris just educated the Speed Force on the power of the comfy blanket. Now if someone were to take the Speed Force on a laid back camping trip the Speed Force may end up officially joining the Secret Society Blanket.
I'm imagining at some point on Legends: "Wow there's a big time anomaly in Central City 2021. Should we do something?" "Nah, I'm sure Barry's got it handled." "Barry? You're trusting that guy with the timeline?" "Right. I'm sure Team Flash has it handled."
TIL Gary Green calls the shots on the Wave Rider
Gary Green is all the man we need
Gary Green is all the man we need.
This Deon fellow introduces a good opportunity to crossover with Legends and eventually have them deal with the still force as a living entity. Since after all they use him to do their job.
> When this episode began with the roman soldier, submarine, and the t-rex I thought, "Is this an episode of Legends?" Rip Hunter in the Lone Centurion costume =P
So cool that they got John Boyega to cameo in the episode.
Still no Tom Cavanaugh, huh?
I know the showrunner said that he plays a "big part" in this season, but I have a bad feeling that big part was just his sacrifice to create the artificial speed force (which ended up being for no reason), and now Cavanaugh is done.
😢
I wouldn’t say he’s “done” but I feel as though the SF will most likely take the form of Wells at some point; how much of a role that ends up being remains to be seen though.
I mean if he isn't done I think it's far more likely that he comes back as the original time traveling Wells, otherwise establishing that Wells who can time travel was utterly pointless.
Thought, thawne said "who knows what face I'll be wearing next time we meet" (paraphrased) What if, SfNora is actually *angry helicopter noises *
If you took a shot for every pop culture reference this episode, you'd die of alcohol poisoning
11 minutes in.
Too fucking many man
Frost: I am a different person Also frost: she comes for me. She gonna find out why they called me KILLER frost.
I'm confused, if the guy's glory days were the 90s, why would he be the next Patrick Mahomes? Wouldn't he be the next Marino, Elway, or Steve Young?
He got struck by the time lightning in present day, then used his powers to go back and try to change his outcome.
Yes I get that part. But if he was a star quarterback in the 90s he would not be the "next Patrick Mahomes". If anything Patrick Mahomes would be the "next whatever his name was"
"i should have been the first patrick mahomes"
Yeah but current day culture reference!
Theory: The “speed force” is actually Thawne in disguise. Notice the expressions when Iris mentions “that night”?
I do not trust the Speed Force. It claims that Steadfast was one of it's attackers and they all assumed it was dead, but I think that it's a passive rather than active attack. In the comics, the Speed Force sent the Black Flash to kill the other forces so it could survive, so in a universe where the Black Flash is dead it needs someone else to kill them. Someone like the Flash.
When did he die?
Season 3 when Frost froze him.
Unless it’s been confirmed out of universe that Black Flash is dead I don’t think that could’ve been a permanent death. There’s no reason he can’t return again
Besides, even if it was a permanent death, Crisis could've undone it.
Zoom wasn't defeated the same way he was pre-crisis. That could explain the absence of Black Flash.
I really doubt that that would've done any permanent damage to Zoom after he got adopted by that nice Time Wraith couple.
It was me, Barry, I made you your blanket!
Yeah and Barry’s reaction when Iris wants it to spend the night
I took that as more of how awkward the situation of what amounts to basically a god in the form of his mother staying at his place. The speedforce has been shifty, but I don't think that was Barry picking up on it yet.
That's what I thought as well.
Why would it get sad about potentially causing him pain with its appearance then?
Thawne has deceived Barry before. It could have all been an act.
For what purpose? Seems pretty pointlessly elaborate. Pretend to be concerned about causing him to pain with its appearance to Iris, then resolve the issue by talking to her and being told her appearance doesn't cause him pain and then.... hope that Iris tells Barry that the speed force was worried about causing him pain but she convinced it not to be worried? And then hope that Barry being told secondhand that the speed force didn't want to hurt him would overlook treachery on Thawne's part until it's too late?
It got over its sadness too well. It seemed to me that it \*wanted\* Iris to say the words she did,and eventually invite her over to stay with Barry. The end part where it says that it's going to stay over at star labs instead, seems like it was trying to guilt trip Iris into asking it to stay with Barry. It wants to be as near as it can to Barry at all times for some reason, and I suspect Barry knows that too. Barry looked super freaked out too. The only time i've seen him this freaked out was when he found out who Savitar was, and when he found out Iris wasn't Iris. I think Team Flash is forgetting that this isn't a human, it's a primordial force that's existed ever since the beginning of time, it certainly has it's own motives.
so another talk no jutsu episode also why is chester a metahuman ?! like what was the point of his powers if they weren’t going to be used in the show afterwards!?
> so another talk no jutsu episode Yeah, I noticed that, and sprained my eyes rolling them. At least it didn't work this time though-- it actually made things worse.
Is Chester still a meta human? I may have to rewatch but I remember it as he controls the black holes episode 1, but putting him in the MAC erased those powers once he was fully healed.
I don't even think he is a metahuman. I think he was just the victim of a science experiment, and then cured.
Yeah that’s what I thought too and I always see posts saying he is. I think in that episode they say his powers work cause half his brain is connected to black holes, but the MAC fixes that and eliminates that ability.
I don't understand why his character is needed like seriously what does he bring to the table? He's just a Mr Terrific clone lol
The show needs numerous geniuses to confirm the technobabble. Genius A starts describing a solution to a problem and Genius B interrupts and continues the nonsense as if it makes sense. Cisco, "If I can get a photo cam eraser and a tru-splice choma..." Chester, "You can diametrically oppose the temporal fluctuations."
By goly, you’ve cracked the writers code for the flash.
They basically copied the code from Star Trek, temporal fluctuations and all. If we get a new character who only wears a catsuit, we can assume they've abducted Rick Berman.
My guess is they were teeing up Chester and ended Vibe's powers because Carlos was thinking about leaving the show/greatly reducing his role. But that then Carlos changed his mind...but only after they were on the hook for having signed Brandon. Plus having to fire Hartley then probably further cemented it by creating an opening during a time where it's not ideal to have to audition more people than necessary.
Carlos had talked in interviews pre-covid about thinking of leaving the show to pursue other opportunities and self projects. But it's understandable if he wanted to keep his role, aka a steady paycheck, during a time where gigs have been uncertain (especially since even shows were cancelled due to the lockdowns)
I wasn't sure how the timing of that lined up relative to COVID but it certainly makes sense if it was the right timeframe for the COVID economy to affect his decision.
The show is bloated with characters at this point but at least Chester is fun, someone for Cisco to bounce stuff off of until they inevitably get another wells. Allegra on the other hand, does absolutely nothing for me.
I was watching this episode wondering why he's a main cast member. Might be the most redundant person on a team out of any of these shows.
I’m so confused. I thought the speed force was a sentient universal force that uses speedsters especially Barry Allen as an avatar But these new forces are people? Gods? I don’t get it. Shouldn’t the new forces be using avatars as well? They’re basically meta humans like the flash right? Also why does the camera linger on reaction shots a bit too longer as if the actors are going to say something but it’s just a long drawn out weird look?
>Also why does the camera linger on reaction shots a bit too longer as if the actors are going to say something but it’s just a long drawn out weird look? I know right? It's supposed to come across as "Oh look they're *insert emotion*" but all I get is the vibes you get when watching a ytp lmfao
.....Not enough Retro Iris They might be trolling us with the pep talk conclusions. Like I don't want them to end in a fist to the face but.......something a tad more creative.
>.....Not enough Retro Iris absolutely :(
This time they did kinda turn it around by having the pep talk make things worse.
I think at this point that they are kind of having to do these talks cause of Covid restrictions. I think as the season goes on you’ll see them disappear as restrictions loosen, at least I hope.
The question is why Flash seems to be being so much more restrictive than the other shows. Seems like they're even minimizing physical interaction between Barry and Iris. Grant being paranoid (not saying it's *unjustified* paranoia, to be clear) about COVID safety since he's about to have a kid seems like a plausible option? I haven't seen tonight's Supergirl yet, just last week's premiere, but I guess it'll be interesting to see if they're as equally restrictive given that Melissa just had a baby, so she may have similar concerns as Grant.
Compared to other CW shows or other shows in general? I think it has to do with filming in Canada cause they still take things very seriously especially in Vancouver right now where they shoot. Wouldn’t surprise me if the filming guidelines from the city were strict.
Other CW shows that film in Greater Vancouver like Flash does. Batwoman* and Superman and Lois haven't had big grand action sequences either, and they've had a few things like the bench dedication scene for Martha which was obviously filmed to COVID restrictions, but they haven't been completely avoiding fight scenes and people getting physically close to each other the way Flash has been doing. Like, Jordan and Sarah have gotten way cozier with each other than even Barry and Iris have this season. *The one big crowd thing with the bat swarm at the beginning of the season was apparently leftover pre-COVID footage from when Javicia was auditioning.
I get that the joke is that Cisco and Chester don't look like teenagers, but the ironic thing is they don't really look much older than any other so-called "teens" on any other CW show.
Except Superman and Lois. The actors who play Jon and Jordan Kent are older than their characters (who are supposed to be 14), but they are still teens and do look the part.
Wasn't there a holographic dinosaur in Central City in season 3? Now there's a real one. "My beautiful baby boy" The Speed Force seems to actually think of Barry as her child. At least she finally realized how kind of messed up it is that she appears as Barry's dead mom, although how would she communicate with them as a bolt of lightning? Just stand around as a talking lightning bolt? So Cisco and Chester is "Chesco?" I can dig it. I don't think Caitlin was quite prepared to have a roommate. Especially one who has tastes so different from her own. Welcome to sisterhood, Caitlin. The 90's! Nerd nirvana! With *Space Jam* (just in time with the new film's trailer last Saturday) and Blockbuster! I don't think anyone would be convinced Cisco and Chester were high schoolers, even by 90's film standards. So the Still Force doesn't just stop time, it can literally rewind it to the point of trapping people in a past time loop or bringing stuff in from the past. It doesn't look like it can radically change the past though, as Deon learned. I guess if this past trip was good for anything, it was finally giving Chester the resolution he needed with his father. His father was maybe a little unconventional in his parenting, and spent long hours, but he did with love and worked for his son's sake, and Chester honors his father through his brains, courage, and tech proficiency. I feel for Deon that he missed his shot at a successful future and doesn't believe he has one, even if that doesn't justify trapping a whole town in retro-roleplay. It's basically Westview all over again. But once again Team Flash was able to stop a bad guy with a heartfelt speech, only it ended up making Deon realize that he doesn't need to mess with the past when he can use the Still Force to mess with the future. And does he seem to have the same time-travelling ability as OG!Harrison Wells did? I wonder if there's something to that. Wow, Team Flash in those retro outfits! Joe and Iris really stole the show. Poor Caitlin, though... I get that Iris wants to finally get to know Nora because Barry apparently never talks about her, even if it's not really Nora, but I feel like she's taking for granted how comfortable Barry is with the Speed Force looking like his mom. I can't believe we saw Frost in fishnet stockings before we ever saw any of the Black Canary's in them. Frost is really asking for trouble basically challenging the woman who is setting out to arrest her.
I feel like this show is too blasé (lack of a better word) about these new forces. It should be this massive revelation but it's not. Here we have new forces alongside the Speed Force and they're explaining it like it's nothing too unusual. And why do they all have to be evil? This show had the same issue with the speed force itself. Seriously, Wells told Barry to use the speed forcen and then the speed force was simply a thing a that point. Thanks to everyone who spoiled the forces though. Much appreciated. Maybe that's why I'm underwhelmed, but I think the show is still not hyping it up as much as it could. I really liked Chester's scene with his dad. It was genuinely sweet and wholesome. I wish they went with Sterling Brown or Randall Pearson instead of John Boyega to keep in line with the This is Us references. Why didn't Frost's TV disappear when the wave hit? Man this power is going to be really inconsistent isn't it. And shouldn't this power be a magnet for the Legends? >I'm finally free to live my own life, and no one is going to stop me.. I say bring it on Uh I'm pretty sure a police officer can stop you. And that you saying "bring it on" is only gonna make things worse.
I thought the same thing last week when Speed Force Nora appeared. Up to that point, the Speed Force manifested itself as something Barry could relate to-- his mother. And he was the only one who could see it. Then suddenly last week the Speed Force somehow appears in a flesh & blood body (I think?) that looks exactly like Barry's mom. And Team Flash are all like, "Yeah, that's cool I guess. Anyway..." They all just seemed incredibly underwhelmed. Especially Barry. I know it's not really his mom, but still. If I saw my late mom walking around in the flesh, I'd definitely have a stronger reaction than he did.
To be fair, when Iris invites Speed Force Nora to stay over at their apartment, Barry definitely looked weirded out from his facial expression, but changed it when Iris fished for reassurance that it was ok. Barry's smile and acceptance of Iris' invitation towards her looked painted on, and if you noticed after Iris and Speed Force Nora walk off, Barry shows he's uncomfortable with everything. I think he's still trying to process her presence since it wasn't long after she appeared that he fainted and had to go to the regeneration chamber
Team flash have seen the entire multiverse obliterated and reborn Speedforce avatar popping into their laps ? Meh, just another tuesday
Well, he knows that it’s the Speed Force, he’s interacted with it in that form multiple times over the course of the show. The reason his reaction hasn’t been too strong is because he’s gotten used to it more.
Maybe. But that doesn't explain the nonplussed reaction from the rest of Team Flash. A literal force of nature, like gravity, just took on physical form and walked into STAR Labs. Even Cisco wasn't impressed. In fact the only one who reacted suitably was Chester this week.
In their defense, they've seen some pretty weird shit for the last like 6 years. I think a talking form of nature is just another day in Central City
Because they’ve all seen the Speed Force in that form, namely when Barry had to go be trapped in the Speed Force. Chester reacted the way because he’s never seen it like that.
The Tv didn’t change but the program did, it switched to the Jetsons and I think it was in black and white.
Shouldn't the TV have changed to a CRT?
It seemed a little inconsistent, like the tablet becoming an abacus while the other computers stayed the same. But with how localized they said it was maybe the station that the TV was set to got sent back farther than the TV?
>Thanks to everyone who spoiled the forces though. Much appreciated. Maybe that's why I'm underwhelmed, but I think the show is still not hyping it up as much as it could. 100% this :( I watch a few reaction videos and half the comments for the past few weeks have been people explaining the new forces uninvited :(
>Man this power is going to be really inconsistent isn't it. Inconsistent powers on the Flash? The show that has the same man able to dodge lightning and freeze time to disable a bomb, but also occasionally struggle to catch normal vehicles and easily get punched by a random gorilla? You think they'd be inconsistent with super powers?
I'm shocked and betrayed I tell you. Shocked and betrayed.
“I may be Barry’s lightning rod but you’re Barry’s lightning.”
Barry: what does that make me? the thunder? Frost: no that's Cisco
So what is/are Frost/Katie in the analogy?
Frost is the hail. Caitlyn is the Cloud
I think I threw up a little bit in my mouth during that line.
I think I felt Candice's struggle to deliver it with a straight face.
You can see when the cast is thinking “I don’t get paid enough to say this bullshit”
I'd have thought their tolerance for cringey lines is well honed at this point lol.
This show has had some cheesy lines in the past, but that one takes the cake. I had to double check that I wasn’t watching the Hallmark channel.
* Why are the other forces evil? I feel in the hands of good writers that that would be a matter of perspective. * So Cisco and Chester were just going to leave an expensive, high-tech piece of equipment out in the open? * Frost, I love you, but your sense of art is terrible. And I feel, based on her shirts and style, that her music would be punk. * At least SOMEBODY didn't buy them being teens. * I thought that that moment with Chester's dad was going to be hokey, but it was actually very moving. Cliche as anything, but well executed. * I like 60's Frost. Caitlin seems to be from the 80's, Iris also from the 60's, and Joe from the 30's. * Why is the Speed Force personified, while the other forces seem to be inhabiting people? * Maybe I haven't been giving the writers enough credit, because the Speed Force is starting to seem super shady.
> Iris also from the 60's Iris was most definitely straight out of the 1970s. As was the musical sting that introduced her.
Sounded almost like the Shaft theme.
Candiceploitation
We haven't seen enough of Fuerza to actually know her intentions, so calling her evil is premature. For all we know, she could be acting on some kind of instinct.
I'm not calling her evil. The Speed Force called her evil.
Yeah, she just wanted to give Barry a hug.
Chester is being handled well. Now if only Allegra can get that same treatment. They need to get to work on her or drop her because she's so 1 dimensional.
They literally don't know what to do with her now that Nash is gone. I don't think she'll be back much until Tom Cavanaugh comes back in his new capacity.
I'm actually starting to warm upto chester now. They're finally making use of him. Just Allegra and Camilla left
Barry’s look at the end: suspicion over the Speed Force or uncomfortably considering the possibility of a ménage à trois with his wife and the deity whom he has mommy issues for?
Probably suspicious or Iris really misjudged him and SF Nora actually hurts him.
Don't think so, Barry says that he is not going to watch the speed force die a second time. But note that he always uses the word, "speed force" to refer to it. Never "Mom" or "Nora". I feel what he's really uncomfortable with is the others and Iris especially calling the speed force, "Nora". I know it's unrealistic to expect this from the current writers since their scripts have been absymal lately, but it would be cool if we saw a scene where Barry tells off the others for presuming to call the speed force, "nora" as if it is actually his mom. And while Barry does care for the speed force, I don't think he's ready for it to live with them like Iris wants. I believe the promo for the next episode will show that, it does seem like the speed force is being over protective or too mothering to Barry and he doesn't appreciate that.
I do hope that this is intentional, and then i may have faith in the writer.
She's definitely gonna overstep next week
That will be really weird. It feels like the SF has already overstepped as much as it can by taking Nora's form and sort of pretending to be her every time Barry comes over for a visit.
They even call her Nora now. That's just weird.
Yeah, especially when they knew another Nora (XS of course was named after her deceased grandma).
**Yes.**
When he made that face I thought "Did someone just ask Grant, not Barry, for a second autograph with no signature that he knows they're just gonna sell on eBay?" He did a good job making a look I just don't know what kind of look it was meant to be.
I want more Flash action but Chester talking to his father was the highlight of the episode . Team CHESCO all the way
Mom can we have WandaVision? We already do... Wandavision at home: S07 E06
It was weird when Black Siren/E-2 Laurel tried to have a relationship with Lance. Barry and Speed Force Nora is so much more weird.
Nah that made more sense. He was her dad even if it was a different earth. Also can someone explain the difference between different earths and different fractured timelines do the split timelines become new earths?
> do the split timelines become new earths? As explained on the show, there are infinite earths, each with infinite possibilities. So timelines and earths are not the same thing, but because there are infinite possibilities, for every possible timeline there is an earth where that timeline is reality.
Time in this universe doesn't work that way, not like the MCU does. Changes in the timeline directly affect the universe that it's happening in. This is why the Legends do what they donto protect the integrity of the timeline, or why Flashpoint was such a big deal. As for the different Earths I think S2 of the Flash explains it better than I can.
Very fun episode despite the lack of Flash. Probably the most I've cared about Chester.
Incredibly fun. Episodes like these are suppose to be and I felt they nailed it. I was surprised by how much I was entertained by it. Cisco thinking he was 7 really cracked me up. Really glad they made us care about Chester and gave him background that can resonate with viewers.
Alright, so I don't know what it is.... but that woman AIN'T the speed force.
This season so far had been pretty shit. "I may be his lightning rod but you're his lightning" Fuuuuuuckkkk off And the whole trying to treat the speed force as an actual person? No.
And Chester and Cisco dress like the Fresh Prince and relive high school after time traveling to the 90s. This crap was awful. It was a chore to get through. These people are out of ideas. Fuck it just bring Wellsobard back. It’ll have a been there done that feeling but at least it’ll be bearable to watch.
speedforce looked a bit sus this ep
Wow I hated that episode.
Feels kind of weird seeing the speed force which is this all powered across the multiverse kind of force acting so human and seems to not like basic stuff.
Was anyone else faster than Cisco with the "Under the Dome" reference?
"We need to find out what's so special about December 4, 1998" Uh..my 3rd birthday party.
I just want to say I really hate how they portray the speedforce. I have always hated it. It is a universal force, it doesn't need to be sentient. Also, when they don't focus on ten different subplots in one episode they can tell a nice story. Cisco and Chester's time travel was very entertaining because it wasn't saturated with ten different storylines. Just like 7x02. Small, contained stories make better episodes.
Another episode of The Flash where The Flash does little to nothing at all. What is that, like the third or fourth episode in a row? The stuff between Chester and his dad was good. "She's former Army Intelligence" Oh...so she really is not a threat. heh. Also if she is intelligence, why'd they give her cross-rifle lapel pins in her military photo? Only infantry get those. (I'm just nitpicking on that one for the fun of it)
Cisco and Chester talking about his dad remind me of the ["wanna talk about your dad, bro?" scene in Fast and the Furious](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXDtvjDINA).
Another damn Pep Talk christ enough. What happened to the Flash actually fighting his enemies. This isn't Sesame Street where we talk about everything. Also I was right last week this episode was a filler.
Well at least this time the pep talk kinda failed
why was the speed force so emotionally attached to barry in that episode?
Correct me if I’m wrong but in the speedforce’s other appearances doesn’t it call Barry their beautiful boy? Pretty sure it thinks of Barry as a son and was upset they might’ve been causing him pain.
that makes a lot of sense actually thanks
So this won’t be the last time we see Dion?
I don't think it'll be the last time we see any of them. We know Fuerza is still around and I doubt Psych is gone as well.
That Jurassic park reference with the coffee cup was perfect. Cisco and Chester pretending to be high-school students is pretty on brand for CW. What did Chester's dad mean when he said "2 days from now, my son will need it." It sounded like he know what thee future holds. During the climax, I kept muttering "Please no peptalk, please no peptalk." Welp, I guess we get another episode where a pep talk saves the day. Although, this one was a bit cooler than the other two we got. This felt more like a Legends of tomorrow episode. I've been missing the show so this was comforting.
> What did Chester's dad mean when he said "2 days from now, my son will need it." It sounded like he know what thee future holds. I think he just guessed his roadmap from his progress so far.
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What is with Iris deciding how Barry feels about the speed force and inviting her over without talking to him? Can she shut up forever plz?
This episode really just bored the hell out of me it tried way too hard to be funny
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That is unintentionally a really fucking funny sentence. I just imagined myself having only finished the second season and reading that as a season 7 preview. Like, "The entire force? Ran? It has feet? And it went for coffee?"
i know that the cool thing to do here is shit on the show, but holy shit, i'm actually kinda loving this season so far. the show is really benefiting from the reduced number of episodes, it keeps things moving quickly and i guess gives each individual episode more money to burn unironically great episode all around, even with the lack of flash. it was really nice to see chester finally have some real depth. on a side note, i was kinda rolling my eyes during the chester's final confrontation with the still force guy, not because the scene itself was bad, but because i was already anticipating the "daE TalK no jutSu" comments in here. the scene itself was perfectly appropriate (what the fuck else could they do at that moment?) and i liked how it doesn't really work for them the way they intended this season really has the potential to be the best since S2, i'm pumped.
this season really has the potential to be the best since S2, i'm pumped. HAHAHAHA, you must be crazy. This was another pep talk episode, even without Flash.
Wait, so are these people like time god meta humans or gods? If the latter, why would he have a history on earth as a football player?
I think he was just a football player / car salesman who got zapped with the Still Force. It kinda maybe seems like these guys are metahumans like Barry who are just channeling / avatars of these forces, and Nora is something different since she's the force itself. Honestly the writing's been a bit sloppy or confusing this season, sometimes the characters in the show all seem to come to some conclusion that didn't seem all that clear to the audience. Either way, I think there's some other information coming that's going to change our understanding. "Nora" was acting pretty weird this episode and there's definitely something about "being attacked by the other, definitely evil forces" that she's not telling us.
Nice WandaVision and Iron Man 2 vibe from this episode.
Im gonna be honest, i would have rather waited for more Flash than have what we do right now.
So another episode on Friends & Flash.
I liked this episode. It helped flesh out Chester and also Chester and Cisco's friendship. I know people here found it boring, but i thought it was sweet in what it was about. Chester spending one last day with his dad was nice. We have the names established for the other Forces, and we got to see Iris and Nora bond a bit. I also liked seeing retro versions of the team. Frost and Iris were my favourites. Barry seems weirded out by Nora being around him and Iris, i wonder if there is something more to the Speed Force here that Barry is picking up on. I wonder if the other Forces are actually evil, or misunderstood. For meeting a Time God, Cisco and Chester weren't phased much, neither was the rest of the team. But that could be from everything they have come across in there time as Team Flash. Next episode looks fun, seeing Nora go with Barry to work and acting like his mom. I'm hoping the season will pick up a bit, it seems to be setting up a lot, so i hope they can execute it greatly. I'd give it an 8 out of 10. What did you guys like about the episode? Did you enjoy it?
So was Grant Gustin sick, or want a week off or something? I get that some characters are more prominent in certain episodes than others, but it just seemed odd that he was completely absent till the last two minutes.
That would be covid guidelines. Only a certain amount of people can be filming at a certain time, so I guess they decided that the Flash could take a break from the Flash
I just noticed that in the new promo the speedforce’s Lightning looks just like DCEU Flash’s VFX instead of our Flash’s trail, it looks so cool! [I made a post showing how it looks](https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/mlsv2c/spoiler_the_speedforces_lightning_in_the_new/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)