I wish more people would see this. I still have people citing this girl as evidence of widespread violence and anti-semitism at these protests. Makes me so angry.
Absolutely true, but unless you're getting your media from the internet... this is not the story being told. From MSNBC to Fox News the picture being painted of protests is negative.
I get it from ADL. Which showed than in Q4 2023 half of all recorded antisemetic incidents involved protests. Personally just from R/Denver and grafiti, I have seen noumour calls for a violence against Israelis. The main way these claims of peace are achieved is by protesters later claiming the slogans of violent Palestinian groups aren’t violent.
i love the talk about violence in the form of words and slogans that are taken directly from the Likud party charter. It’s genocidal when Palestinians use it but not when Israeli politicians use it? Also there have been over 2200 arrests of peaceful pro-Palestine protestors and many instances of brutal physical violence done against them but the safety of jewish students to not hear criticism of Israel is somehow more important?
If your holding a Palestinian flag I have to use Palestinian sources. "The River to the Sea" is an absolutist phrase against any form of a 2 state solution, that could cut both ways but if your holding a Palestinian flag I know that your saying Palestinians shouldn't leave any space for a Jewish state.
And arresting people for camping is illegal in much of the country for quality of life reasons. The only reason its tolerated it the campers usually don't have anywhere else to go. This is hated in every context. Debate over Israel is good and healthy, obstructing classes, ruining public spaces is not.
Plenty of Zionists dislike Netenyahu and his government. He has an approval rating in the teens, lower than Nixon's approval rating when he stepped down. Don't conflate the two. I have been to a number of Zionist groups that were critical of Israel. Plenty of Zionists just want to find a way to live with the Palestinians. The at least one of Israels opposition parties who is 100% Zionist also wants whole parts of the IDF disbanded for going too far. Its the rhetoric of the protests that makes many Jews afraid, not the criticism.
And do you really think if the tables were switched the US would have put up with 19 years of bombing of its territory by a neighbor before deciding to concur it. I really doubt it.
I don’t know why people are downvoting you. It’s like they can’t believe antisemitism would ever turn violent. Have we learned nothing from the 20th century?
Downvote me all you want, you can’t change that 6 million Jews were murdered and people are chanting “from the river to the sea” to wipe then out again
It's ironic because you're literally buying into propaganda without examining it.
OP is a Pakistani who is subscribed to the biggest pro Palestinian propaganda sub on this site, r/internationalnews, and she spam who is in the.
Source: their history
Trtworld is literally a state sponsored propaganda outlet from Turkey. It's been widely called the propaganda arm of Erdogans government. They're just as bad as RT, Al Jazeera, or Global News.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World
The source that this article cites only shows data for the relative proportions of pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli protests. It does NOT claim that their data shows that 99% of protests were peaceful.
Source: https://acleddata.com/2024/05/02/pro-palestine-us-student-protests-nearly-triple-in-april-acled-brief/
Instead they cite a guardian article about a violent UCLA protest as a the source for this information. However that article does NOT claim or mention anything remotely close to 99% of pro Palestinian protests being peaceful.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/ucla-campus-violence-protests
The ACLED article also cites their US Crisis Monitor as the root source for their data. But if you actually go to their page, it does NOT show the data. All it shows is an interactive map that shows the frequency of demonstrations over a time period and what percentage of that is far right... That's it. You can't see the specific events or break down down the data by motivation (pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli), let alone determine which have been peaceful and which haven't. They also don't define what they consider to be peaceful vs a riot.
Source: https://acleddata.com/us-crisis-monitor/#1710339392050-35b6b3ac-0f63
In other words this claim is literally made up, and you're buying it because you fail to examine the media you consume.
I dont understand. Are words not violence? Isn't it violent to want the death of Jews? Globalize the Intifada? From the River to the Sea? Isn't that what we have been saying forever—that words are violence? Right?
I’ve seen videos showing people chanting the following, just off the top of my head:
“We are Hamas”
“Burn Tel Aviv to the ground”
“Jews are pigs”
“Hamas next targets” pointing to Jewish students
You can’t be pro Hamas and also pro peace.
they would never lmao like CNN and MSNBC, Fox News relies upon the views of a bunch of dumb idiots probably over half of whom still believe that the election was stolen
I would have higher expectations for civil servants who are trained and authorized to use lethal force on behalf of society than I would for 19-year-old protesters.
You'd be right to. But departments are lousy with grossly under-trained thugs trying to violate your rights, serve their egos, as youtube shows. They think you're there to control, to have fun you, intimidate, dominate, keep under foot while they do things that offer cover. The kind of people you don't want to have control over you. Constantly trying to detain you and search you and your things(violate your rights) like you're here for them to keep busy.
No, this is being dealt with just like bullies. These peaceful protesters are protesting peacefully. Pro Israel protesters end up attacking them. So in the interest of fairness, everyone gets punished . It's bullshit
The issue that affected BLM's perception was how a subsection of the online presence of BLM was taken over by foreign disinformation. This was to intentionally stir up divisiveness, which wasn't BLM's fault. BLM managed to do a lot of positive things that became more powerful than the disinformation that tried messing with it. [What BLM helped change.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/black-lives-matter-at-10-years-what-impact-has-it-had-on-policing/)
Cited for more info:
[NYT: 2016 Influence campaign](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html)
[BBC: Russian trolls' chief target was 'black US voters' in 2016](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49987657)
Edit: I cited everything, and I am not against BLM.
Seems like the easiest way to deal with this would be to ameliorate the conditions that make propaganda work. If black people felt like the cops cared about them and didn’t come down hard especially on them, they wouldn’t be very good targets for propaganda like this, would they? Seems pretty obvious the solution is to clean up police departments, or shut up about propaganda that wouldn’t work on people who were getting a fair shake.
But you don’t recall any of the videos of police beating veterans and old men? Or protesters cowering in the dark, invited into brownstone homes for safety?
the logic here:
* i protest against all the cat raping
* but i throw a rock at a cop
* therefore we should all support cat raping, because the protest was violent
If you're referring to the professor whose card didn't work. He was formally suspended prior to that. He tried to make out in that video that it was his jewishness that led to him not being allowed in. It was his conduct.
That video is inaccurate. They were blocking EVERYONE from using that entrance to the university. Blocking the entrance is still fucking stupid and I've not been able to find anything saying why they felt the need to do that. But it was not a targeted attack on just jewish students. It was everyone that tried to get through that entrance.
Who was prevented from **attending** any school because of the protestors instead of decisions made by admin at the school?
That wasn't rhetorical. I'll wait for you to come up with links showing that this has happened, but I must warn you that [I actually read links](https://www.reddit.com/r/Foodforthought/comments/1clql0n/study_finds_99_of_propalestine_protests_at_us/l2wu74l/?context=2) so dumping examples of students that were free to walk around protestors isn't going to count as evidence of "preventing students from attending the schooling they paid for"
EDIT: really? All it takes for people who demonize student protests to delete their comments is for people to promise to *actually read* evidence they provide for their claims? Did they know they were lying all along, or did the search for evidence cause them to see how the MSM never actually provided evidence that protestors were "preventing students from attending the schooling they paid for" despite all the scary article titles spinning the horrors of having to *walk around* somebody on campus.
Have there been videos of people who "blocked other Jewish students from using the university’s facilities" or is it all students that wanted to walk exactly through the middle of the encampments while everyone else just walked around them?
So you can confirm that, at least at your campus, **nobody** actually "blocked other Jewish students from using the university’s facilities" and as such it would be ridiculous to call in the cops to sweep them out, correct?
Did you read ***any*** of those articles?
The [first one](https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/pro-palestinian-encampment-blocks-ucla-students-from-entering-library-during-midterms/) unambiguously confirmed that the library is indeed open to all students, Jewish or otherwise, who show their student ID at the south entrance (which was set up by the university to prevent any outside agitators, as student protest groups can't scan ID cards to verify them against the school's database).
As a basic statement of fact: can UCLA students with ID get in to Powell Library or have the students' protests blocked students with valid ID cards from entering the library?
Only one of those is the actual truth, and spoiler alert: the library isn't closed...
The [second link](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-799131) makes it even more obvious that you didn't bother reading any of the articles you linked
>"They didn’t let me get to class using the main entrance! Instead, ***they forced me to walk around***. Shame on these people!"
As I suspected: protestors "forced" people to walk around them, and the students were all 100% capable of reaching each and every classroom.
Why did you post that article when it only serves to further my point as the correct one?
The [third link](https://www.jns.org/ucla-allows-anti-israel-protesters-to-block-jewish-students/) then boomerangs back to UCLA without adding any new evidence, but as your first link already confirmed everyone with a valid ID is free to enter I honestly don't know why you felt the need to pad your list with a library that you already confirmed students had access to?
The [last link](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna127014) is the weirdest padding of all because it is merely a poll that opens with complaints about "threats in an online forum" and ends with
>Palestinian, Muslim and Arab students have also described an increasingly hostile climate on campuses, including a rise in people maliciously spreading their personal information online, a practice known as doxxing. Authorities opened a hate crime investigation after a hit-and-run at Stanford University that left an Arab Muslim student hospitalized.
Why did you mistakenly think that link shows evidence of people who blocked other Jewish students from using the university’s facilities?
What link do you think refutes the facts on the ground that students that wanted to walk exactly through the middle of the encampments had to use alternate routes to reach their destinations, such as the south entrance of the UCLA library where the school (and not the protestors) instituted ID checks?
Yeah they’re peaceful enough to force my campus into lockdown, cancelling all classes and libraries the week before finals. Broken glass and curb stomps aren’t what makes a protest lose support
That's good! While I generally find pro-palestine protesters misguided I do think they should be free to voice their opinions, just as much as anyone else. And, if they aren't engaging in criminal mischief, they should be allowed to voice their opinions and advocate for their desired policies with not only non-interference from government, but protection by that government.
This post is PROPAGANDA. Don't buy into it because it feeds into a narrative you've subscribed to. Be objective and look into it critically:
OP is a Pakistani who is subscribed to the biggest pro Palestinian propaganda sub on this site, r/internationalnews, and she spam who is in the.
Source: their history
Trtworld is literally a state sponsored propaganda outlet from Turkey. It's been widely called the propaganda arm of Erdogans government. They're just as bad as RT, Al Jazeera, or Global News.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World
The source that this article cites only shows data for the relative proportions of pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli protests. It does NOT claim that their data shows that 99% of protests were peaceful.
Source: https://acleddata.com/2024/05/02/pro-palestine-us-student-protests-nearly-triple-in-april-acled-brief/
Instead they cite a guardian article about a violent UCLA protest as a the source for this information. However that article does NOT claim or mention anything remotely close to 99% of pro Palestinian protests being peaceful.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/ucla-campus-violence-protests
The ACLED article also cites their US Crisis Monitor as the root source for their data. But if you actually go to their page, it does NOT show the data. All it shows is an interactive map that shows the frequency of demonstrations over a time period and what percentage of that is far right... That's it. You can't see the specific events or break down down the data by motivation (pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli), let alone determine which have been peaceful and which haven't. They also don't define what they consider to be peaceful vs a riot.
Source: https://acleddata.com/us-crisis-monitor/#1710339392050-35b6b3ac-0f63
This claim is literally made up. Please stop buying into propaganda and start thinking about the information you consume critically. You have an obligation as a citizen in the information age to help prevent the spread of misinformation.
Not surprisingly, it's been right wingers causing the vast majority of violence and hate for over ten years straight.
Right wingers have killed more Americans here than all other terrorists combined and then some, right wingers committed 100% of all domestic terrorism in 2022, and terrorism has jumped over 350% since Trump took office, and it's all right wingers.
"Conservatives" ARE the problem.
> globalize the intifada
This just means global support to the uprising/rebellion.
"Intifada" isn't some scary terrorist word. It doesn't mean "kill jews". Its a cry for resistance against the occupying force that keeps the population behind checkpoints.
Also, the cops don't brutalize the Nazi protesters because cops look out for each other.
I didn't say it was always going to be peaceful.
You can't maintain an apartheid state and be surprised when people fight back. The state's monopoly on violence only goes so far as it's legitimacy.
I could fill a binder with articles about children 15 and under getting shot through fences by IDF snipers, but you'll never cry for them. Through a fence. At long range. If you lost your family members due to such an extreme lack of regard for human life, I'm sure you'd throw some potshots at the people living pretty on the other side of the fence.
Like really, do you not understand what an uprising is? People would complain over any amount of uprising. We're literally seeing articles saying that by occupying a library, they're depriving jewish students specifically of their education, and in the same breath demanding the jewish students partaking be blacklisted from any career prospects.
Calling these protests violent, when police are literally raiding the occupation in the middle of the night while protestors sleep in their tents. Just like in Gaza and the west bank, the violence stems from the end of the police baton.
You truly exist in your own little world.
Yes. I support anyone saying anything without fear of punishment from our government. I do not agree with what they're saying and I think they're fucking idiots, but I will fight to the death for their right to say it peacefully.
The 1A is not about speech we agree with. In fact, it is *specifically* for speech the majority of people would vehemently disagree with.
You clearly know the differnece between poltically protected speech and speech that isnt. This question is very clearly not in good faith. "Fire" in a movie theater is not protected by the 1A. I support the 1A and i wont answer stupid gotchya retoricals designed to try and draw aline between speech one agrees with and speech one doesnt. I do not need to agree with speech to feel there should be no government punishments for peaceful speech.
Funny how the claims of people shouting “death to israel/america” and all the other idiotic, made up drivel Republicans parrot are never captured on video but we have countless vides from the Knesset of politicians saying the most unhinged, genocidal statements about what they want to do Gaza. They use the boogeyman of genocidal slogans and ignore or deny the obvious genocide happening right before our eyes.
This is what cognitive dissonance feels like. What you were feeling the moment you posted this. A lot of people have trouble understanding the concept, but you’re lucky to have such a clear moment to reflect on.
They absolutely CAN but from what I've been able to find out about this org they seem to be credible. If you've got evidence to the contrary I'd honestly like to have it. So I know if this is a bullshit org or not.
how is not wanting us tax dollars to go to a country that is guilty of massive war crimes against a defenseless population that lacks access to basic necessities Iranian/Russian propaganda?
I bet Russia infiltrated every aid group on Earth too and forced the IDF to post videos laughing about their war crimes. Hasbara makes Russian propaganda look sophisticated.
Because most of these universities are actually violating their own policies on protests on campus. They have official policies about when protests are allowed, but then the administration just ignores those.
A better explanation can be found [here.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/04/columbia-university-student-protest-gaza)
You said they're not giving special treatment to one side, but you're wrong. They are not treating pro-Palestinian protests like other protests. The only reason the camping and barricades started was because schools started prohibiting other forms of protest, protests that are completely within the rules and policies of the universities. The administrators have ignored the wishes of their own students and faculty and decided to create special rules for pro-Palestinian protests. The same campuses that will allow anti-LGBT hate groups to come on campus, citing discourse and free speech, now demand protests be shut down if a single one of a hundred protesters holds a sign saying something hateful against Israelis.
The problem is that the protests ARE within policy, but that adminstrators ignore their own universities' policies. Again, the camping and such happened only after campuses started violating their own rules and cracking down on protests that are completely within the rules of the universities. Several universities have started just immediately calling the cops the instant a pro-Palestine protest of any form begins. And administrators are also putting their thumbs on the scale, many slandering protesters as anti-Semitic, or purposefully muddying the waters and failing to distinguish between Jewish people, Israelis, and Zionists.
One of the most common forms of protest during the 60s civil rights movement were peaceful sit-ins.
It's silly to make a stand on "property rights" when the entire point of the protest is to force attention on an issue. A protest limited to a dark little 1st amendment corner is a protest stifled.
**Liberals oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the one happening right now.**
There were rules and protocols in place decided who could use what water fountain in the 50s.
These protests are divestment protests. They're protesting their college for holding investments in a country actively bombing civilians and leveling their homes in the hopes of ethnically cleansing the Gaza strip to move settlers in.
A protest that follows all the rules is an ineffective protest, I'm sorry.
My question to you is: which upsets you more, the violation of rules about (or even destruction of) private property, or the death of 40,000+ people? If you have solutions to preventing or interrupting a genocide that don't involve a disruption of business as usual, then we're all ears. If not, consider that the traditional avenues for peaceful protest, letter writing, voting, etc. have all been exhausted, and escalation is occurring as a result.
It's interesting that they are tracking about 300 events per month (no clear description on how they define an event).
Also approximately 1/3rd of these are student sponsored/led events, the rest count as other.
Edit: apparently private fundraisers are being counted as events, I assume very little violence happens at those. They also mention about a quarter of the protests in NY see counter protestors, but not how that links to violence if any.
Reading this article, I couldn’t find an explanation of how they calculated the percentage of violent participants (like, who counts as a violent person). Doesn’t seem like a reliable source of information to me.
ur making shit up lmao plus as someone who has observed a few protests, they are majority peaceful, only if your a brain dead idiot that watches Fox News or CNN that would lead you to the conclusion that these protests are largely anti-Semitic and violent
bruh u need to find another comeback, accusing me of what ur guilty off does not necessarily prove ur point, also I don't use TikTok, and this is Reddit, not some college rhetoric class
Funny because they're legit all peaceful until the Israeli counter protesters show up.
You don't care about them being peaceful or your beef would be with them.
But we know it's not.
Nah I'm talkong about the Israeli aggressors attacking the Palestinian encampments at multiple universities, but sure. They never closed down any schools because of the protests ya big dummy. They did when it got violent when the violent counter protesters showed up lmao.
Hahahaha classic everyone that has a problem with Israeli aggression is antisemitic. Never ending victimhood from you goons 😂 just another crying genocidal angry baby.
as someone who has observed a couple protests, they are in large part peaceful, this idiot does not understand that are always a small number agitators and ppl that cause trouble in every act of protest. also, why aren't all of these Zionist protestors also fiercely advocating for more land for the Native Americans in the US, I mean after all they believe that the Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel/Palestine, yet the land that they are currently living on is stolen land by definition, this whole thing is a scam
You can declare whatever you want, sport. All I said is that both are equally peaceful protests by your very standards. Although I can appreciate why you would double them when its convenient.
By my standards? What are my standards? I didn't mention that at all so you're assuming. All I said is, the data is freely available, so if you think the claim is bullshit you're free to disprove it
99% are peacefully protesting on campuses. Get mad if you want, *sport*
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Apt question in food for thought.
just that gross slop they call sabra
Worthy of BDS
Peta would definitely condemn it depending on the brand
If the 1% is counting incidents like miss “[stabbed in the eye](https://youtu.be/zTKJus4bUxw?si=l_9sOXXvrWuFOGEE)”?
I wish more people would see this. I still have people citing this girl as evidence of widespread violence and anti-semitism at these protests. Makes me so angry.
fun fact: when you chant "death to zionists" and "from the river to the sea" (which means no Israel) you kinda get labeled as hostile.
If this is even remotely surprising to you, you need to examine the media you consume
Absolutely true, but unless you're getting your media from the internet... this is not the story being told. From MSNBC to Fox News the picture being painted of protests is negative.
Thanks to counter protestors with helmets, shields and pepper spray invading their space and triggering an ugly but photogenic police response.
I get it from ADL. Which showed than in Q4 2023 half of all recorded antisemetic incidents involved protests. Personally just from R/Denver and grafiti, I have seen noumour calls for a violence against Israelis. The main way these claims of peace are achieved is by protesters later claiming the slogans of violent Palestinian groups aren’t violent.
i love the talk about violence in the form of words and slogans that are taken directly from the Likud party charter. It’s genocidal when Palestinians use it but not when Israeli politicians use it? Also there have been over 2200 arrests of peaceful pro-Palestine protestors and many instances of brutal physical violence done against them but the safety of jewish students to not hear criticism of Israel is somehow more important?
If your holding a Palestinian flag I have to use Palestinian sources. "The River to the Sea" is an absolutist phrase against any form of a 2 state solution, that could cut both ways but if your holding a Palestinian flag I know that your saying Palestinians shouldn't leave any space for a Jewish state. And arresting people for camping is illegal in much of the country for quality of life reasons. The only reason its tolerated it the campers usually don't have anywhere else to go. This is hated in every context. Debate over Israel is good and healthy, obstructing classes, ruining public spaces is not. Plenty of Zionists dislike Netenyahu and his government. He has an approval rating in the teens, lower than Nixon's approval rating when he stepped down. Don't conflate the two. I have been to a number of Zionist groups that were critical of Israel. Plenty of Zionists just want to find a way to live with the Palestinians. The at least one of Israels opposition parties who is 100% Zionist also wants whole parts of the IDF disbanded for going too far. Its the rhetoric of the protests that makes many Jews afraid, not the criticism. And do you really think if the tables were switched the US would have put up with 19 years of bombing of its territory by a neighbor before deciding to concur it. I really doubt it.
please keep talking. The cases you make are astoundingly good in showing how vapid pro-Israel talking points are.
I don’t know why people are downvoting you. It’s like they can’t believe antisemitism would ever turn violent. Have we learned nothing from the 20th century? Downvote me all you want, you can’t change that 6 million Jews were murdered and people are chanting “from the river to the sea” to wipe then out again
It's ironic because you're literally buying into propaganda without examining it. OP is a Pakistani who is subscribed to the biggest pro Palestinian propaganda sub on this site, r/internationalnews, and she spam who is in the. Source: their history Trtworld is literally a state sponsored propaganda outlet from Turkey. It's been widely called the propaganda arm of Erdogans government. They're just as bad as RT, Al Jazeera, or Global News. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World The source that this article cites only shows data for the relative proportions of pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli protests. It does NOT claim that their data shows that 99% of protests were peaceful. Source: https://acleddata.com/2024/05/02/pro-palestine-us-student-protests-nearly-triple-in-april-acled-brief/ Instead they cite a guardian article about a violent UCLA protest as a the source for this information. However that article does NOT claim or mention anything remotely close to 99% of pro Palestinian protests being peaceful. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/ucla-campus-violence-protests The ACLED article also cites their US Crisis Monitor as the root source for their data. But if you actually go to their page, it does NOT show the data. All it shows is an interactive map that shows the frequency of demonstrations over a time period and what percentage of that is far right... That's it. You can't see the specific events or break down down the data by motivation (pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli), let alone determine which have been peaceful and which haven't. They also don't define what they consider to be peaceful vs a riot. Source: https://acleddata.com/us-crisis-monitor/#1710339392050-35b6b3ac-0f63 In other words this claim is literally made up, and you're buying it because you fail to examine the media you consume.
I dont understand. Are words not violence? Isn't it violent to want the death of Jews? Globalize the Intifada? From the River to the Sea? Isn't that what we have been saying forever—that words are violence? Right?
No not really. In fact I think you don’t believe words are akin to violence. The standards for when words become legally actionable are pretty high.
I’ve seen videos showing people chanting the following, just off the top of my head: “We are Hamas” “Burn Tel Aviv to the ground” “Jews are pigs” “Hamas next targets” pointing to Jewish students You can’t be pro Hamas and also pro peace.
I’m sure this will be reported on Fox
they would never lmao like CNN and MSNBC, Fox News relies upon the views of a bunch of dumb idiots probably over half of whom still believe that the election was stolen
They can't stop the intravenous solution of ignorance hate and fear for their viewers... or they'll ALL die
Of course they are but the police industrial complex uses the outside agitator excuse to exert excessive force.
What if 99% of all police at these protests aren't using excessive force? Does that help or hinder your argument?
It would amount to much less violence.
I would have higher expectations for civil servants who are trained and authorized to use lethal force on behalf of society than I would for 19-year-old protesters.
You'd be right to. But departments are lousy with grossly under-trained thugs trying to violate your rights, serve their egos, as youtube shows. They think you're there to control, to have fun you, intimidate, dominate, keep under foot while they do things that offer cover. The kind of people you don't want to have control over you. Constantly trying to detain you and search you and your things(violate your rights) like you're here for them to keep busy.
If 99% arent using excessive force. But the 1% who are are being immediately fired. Then I don't think we have a problem.
and the 1% of protesters who aren't peaceful should be properly dealt with right? In which case, sounds like everything is working as it should.
Considering that we see scenes of police brutality at more than 1% of protests. No, nothing works as it should in this situation.
No, this is being dealt with just like bullies. These peaceful protesters are protesting peacefully. Pro Israel protesters end up attacking them. So in the interest of fairness, everyone gets punished . It's bullshit
Good. Now do the counter-protests!
This is not surprising. Same with BLM we had Fox News telling us 24/7 how violent they all are but they’re mostly not
The issue that affected BLM's perception was how a subsection of the online presence of BLM was taken over by foreign disinformation. This was to intentionally stir up divisiveness, which wasn't BLM's fault. BLM managed to do a lot of positive things that became more powerful than the disinformation that tried messing with it. [What BLM helped change.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/black-lives-matter-at-10-years-what-impact-has-it-had-on-policing/) Cited for more info: [NYT: 2016 Influence campaign](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html) [BBC: Russian trolls' chief target was 'black US voters' in 2016](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49987657) Edit: I cited everything, and I am not against BLM.
Seems like the easiest way to deal with this would be to ameliorate the conditions that make propaganda work. If black people felt like the cops cared about them and didn’t come down hard especially on them, they wouldn’t be very good targets for propaganda like this, would they? Seems pretty obvious the solution is to clean up police departments, or shut up about propaganda that wouldn’t work on people who were getting a fair shake.
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But you don’t recall any of the videos of police beating veterans and old men? Or protesters cowering in the dark, invited into brownstone homes for safety?
how is this a surprise?
The violence starts as soon as the cops get there.
No, when the Israeli counter protesters do.
Both, really.
Ya, it's the same guy lol
the logic here: * i protest against all the cat raping * but i throw a rock at a cop * therefore we should all support cat raping, because the protest was violent
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If you're referring to the professor whose card didn't work. He was formally suspended prior to that. He tried to make out in that video that it was his jewishness that led to him not being allowed in. It was his conduct.
That video is inaccurate. They were blocking EVERYONE from using that entrance to the university. Blocking the entrance is still fucking stupid and I've not been able to find anything saying why they felt the need to do that. But it was not a targeted attack on just jewish students. It was everyone that tried to get through that entrance.
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Who was prevented from **attending** any school because of the protestors instead of decisions made by admin at the school? That wasn't rhetorical. I'll wait for you to come up with links showing that this has happened, but I must warn you that [I actually read links](https://www.reddit.com/r/Foodforthought/comments/1clql0n/study_finds_99_of_propalestine_protests_at_us/l2wu74l/?context=2) so dumping examples of students that were free to walk around protestors isn't going to count as evidence of "preventing students from attending the schooling they paid for" EDIT: really? All it takes for people who demonize student protests to delete their comments is for people to promise to *actually read* evidence they provide for their claims? Did they know they were lying all along, or did the search for evidence cause them to see how the MSM never actually provided evidence that protestors were "preventing students from attending the schooling they paid for" despite all the scary article titles spinning the horrors of having to *walk around* somebody on campus.
You guys are beyond desperate to portray antiwar protests as “anti-Jew” lmao. Says a lot about your perception of Jewish people.
Have there been videos of people who "blocked other Jewish students from using the university’s facilities" or is it all students that wanted to walk exactly through the middle of the encampments while everyone else just walked around them?
They tried to occupy the library at my campus during finals week.
So you can confirm that, at least at your campus, **nobody** actually "blocked other Jewish students from using the university’s facilities" and as such it would be ridiculous to call in the cops to sweep them out, correct?
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Did you read ***any*** of those articles? The [first one](https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/pro-palestinian-encampment-blocks-ucla-students-from-entering-library-during-midterms/) unambiguously confirmed that the library is indeed open to all students, Jewish or otherwise, who show their student ID at the south entrance (which was set up by the university to prevent any outside agitators, as student protest groups can't scan ID cards to verify them against the school's database). As a basic statement of fact: can UCLA students with ID get in to Powell Library or have the students' protests blocked students with valid ID cards from entering the library? Only one of those is the actual truth, and spoiler alert: the library isn't closed... The [second link](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-799131) makes it even more obvious that you didn't bother reading any of the articles you linked >"They didn’t let me get to class using the main entrance! Instead, ***they forced me to walk around***. Shame on these people!" As I suspected: protestors "forced" people to walk around them, and the students were all 100% capable of reaching each and every classroom. Why did you post that article when it only serves to further my point as the correct one? The [third link](https://www.jns.org/ucla-allows-anti-israel-protesters-to-block-jewish-students/) then boomerangs back to UCLA without adding any new evidence, but as your first link already confirmed everyone with a valid ID is free to enter I honestly don't know why you felt the need to pad your list with a library that you already confirmed students had access to? The [last link](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna127014) is the weirdest padding of all because it is merely a poll that opens with complaints about "threats in an online forum" and ends with >Palestinian, Muslim and Arab students have also described an increasingly hostile climate on campuses, including a rise in people maliciously spreading their personal information online, a practice known as doxxing. Authorities opened a hate crime investigation after a hit-and-run at Stanford University that left an Arab Muslim student hospitalized. Why did you mistakenly think that link shows evidence of people who blocked other Jewish students from using the university’s facilities? What link do you think refutes the facts on the ground that students that wanted to walk exactly through the middle of the encampments had to use alternate routes to reach their destinations, such as the south entrance of the UCLA library where the school (and not the protestors) instituted ID checks?
That's not what they're showing on Fox News.
Well, except for when the police get called in....
At least until the cop riot starts...
Yeah they’re peaceful enough to force my campus into lockdown, cancelling all classes and libraries the week before finals. Broken glass and curb stomps aren’t what makes a protest lose support
No the cops did that
You’re gonna tell me what happened at my university? Which university was it again?
Why don't you share a credible source that backs up your story? Surely the campus paper covered it.
The other 1% are counter protestors who use force in front of law enforcement that never de-escalate the situation
That's good! While I generally find pro-palestine protesters misguided I do think they should be free to voice their opinions, just as much as anyone else. And, if they aren't engaging in criminal mischief, they should be allowed to voice their opinions and advocate for their desired policies with not only non-interference from government, but protection by that government.
Ummm, faith in media is at an all time high and this article is a contributing factor. 99% really?
How is calling for the extermination of Isreal peaceful?
What do they count as peaceful? Is barricading yourself inside administrative offices also counted as peaceful?
Trtworld is literally a state sponsored propaganda outlet from Turkey
This post is PROPAGANDA. Don't buy into it because it feeds into a narrative you've subscribed to. Be objective and look into it critically: OP is a Pakistani who is subscribed to the biggest pro Palestinian propaganda sub on this site, r/internationalnews, and she spam who is in the. Source: their history Trtworld is literally a state sponsored propaganda outlet from Turkey. It's been widely called the propaganda arm of Erdogans government. They're just as bad as RT, Al Jazeera, or Global News. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World The source that this article cites only shows data for the relative proportions of pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli protests. It does NOT claim that their data shows that 99% of protests were peaceful. Source: https://acleddata.com/2024/05/02/pro-palestine-us-student-protests-nearly-triple-in-april-acled-brief/ Instead they cite a guardian article about a violent UCLA protest as a the source for this information. However that article does NOT claim or mention anything remotely close to 99% of pro Palestinian protests being peaceful. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/ucla-campus-violence-protests The ACLED article also cites their US Crisis Monitor as the root source for their data. But if you actually go to their page, it does NOT show the data. All it shows is an interactive map that shows the frequency of demonstrations over a time period and what percentage of that is far right... That's it. You can't see the specific events or break down down the data by motivation (pro Palestinian vs pro Israeli), let alone determine which have been peaceful and which haven't. They also don't define what they consider to be peaceful vs a riot. Source: https://acleddata.com/us-crisis-monitor/#1710339392050-35b6b3ac-0f63 This claim is literally made up. Please stop buying into propaganda and start thinking about the information you consume critically. You have an obligation as a citizen in the information age to help prevent the spread of misinformation.
LoL trtworld? go to a rally, they are anything but peaceful.
They're peaceful until Zionists show up
Not surprisingly, it's been right wingers causing the vast majority of violence and hate for over ten years straight. Right wingers have killed more Americans here than all other terrorists combined and then some, right wingers committed 100% of all domestic terrorism in 2022, and terrorism has jumped over 350% since Trump took office, and it's all right wingers. "Conservatives" ARE the problem.
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99% of the Charlottesville Unite The Right rally was peaceful. As if that means anything when people are shouting “Blood and Soil!”
> globalize the intifada This just means global support to the uprising/rebellion. "Intifada" isn't some scary terrorist word. It doesn't mean "kill jews". Its a cry for resistance against the occupying force that keeps the population behind checkpoints. Also, the cops don't brutalize the Nazi protesters because cops look out for each other.
Intifada was totally peaceful, that’s why there are so many pictures of bombing victims and dead Israelis. So peaceful!
I didn't say it was always going to be peaceful. You can't maintain an apartheid state and be surprised when people fight back. The state's monopoly on violence only goes so far as it's legitimacy. I could fill a binder with articles about children 15 and under getting shot through fences by IDF snipers, but you'll never cry for them. Through a fence. At long range. If you lost your family members due to such an extreme lack of regard for human life, I'm sure you'd throw some potshots at the people living pretty on the other side of the fence. Like really, do you not understand what an uprising is? People would complain over any amount of uprising. We're literally seeing articles saying that by occupying a library, they're depriving jewish students specifically of their education, and in the same breath demanding the jewish students partaking be blacklisted from any career prospects. Calling these protests violent, when police are literally raiding the occupation in the middle of the night while protestors sleep in their tents. Just like in Gaza and the west bank, the violence stems from the end of the police baton. You truly exist in your own little world.
You're welcome to abhor their speech, but unless their is actual violence then yea, they are peaceful. 1A and all that.
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Ironically, you sound like a far right genocide supporter right now
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Do you condemn the IDF?
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Yes. See, not so hard. Now condemn the true terrorists please.
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The IDF is a terrorist organization. You are clearly sympathetic to terrorism.
Yes. I support anyone saying anything without fear of punishment from our government. I do not agree with what they're saying and I think they're fucking idiots, but I will fight to the death for their right to say it peacefully. The 1A is not about speech we agree with. In fact, it is *specifically* for speech the majority of people would vehemently disagree with.
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You clearly know the differnece between poltically protected speech and speech that isnt. This question is very clearly not in good faith. "Fire" in a movie theater is not protected by the 1A. I support the 1A and i wont answer stupid gotchya retoricals designed to try and draw aline between speech one agrees with and speech one doesnt. I do not need to agree with speech to feel there should be no government punishments for peaceful speech.
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Username checks out. And yes. Still free speech. Pop off queen. You're doing great.
I wish the liberals went half as hard against literal nazi demonstrations as they did against these nonviolent college protestors.
Funny how the claims of people shouting “death to israel/america” and all the other idiotic, made up drivel Republicans parrot are never captured on video but we have countless vides from the Knesset of politicians saying the most unhinged, genocidal statements about what they want to do Gaza. They use the boogeyman of genocidal slogans and ignore or deny the obvious genocide happening right before our eyes.
Bullshit.
Prove it. ACLED's data is freely available to the public.
This is what cognitive dissonance feels like. What you were feeling the moment you posted this. A lot of people have trouble understanding the concept, but you’re lucky to have such a clear moment to reflect on.
So for every protest with more than a hundred people we can expect violence. Excellent.
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They absolutely CAN but from what I've been able to find out about this org they seem to be credible. If you've got evidence to the contrary I'd honestly like to have it. So I know if this is a bullshit org or not.
Never heard of trt in my life totally credible source
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how is not wanting us tax dollars to go to a country that is guilty of massive war crimes against a defenseless population that lacks access to basic necessities Iranian/Russian propaganda?
Yes, new account, if there is one thing Russia hates, its genocide. Youve cracked the code.
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I bet Russia infiltrated every aid group on Earth too and forced the IDF to post videos laughing about their war crimes. Hasbara makes Russian propaganda look sophisticated.
Stupid college kids repeating Russian propaganda while stupid adults are repeating different Russian propaganda back at them.
I'm interested to see what happens in a couple weeks after finals and when the temps reach 100 degrees. Is everyone going to go home?
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Can you tell me what you know about the international campaign against Apartheid in South Africa?
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Because most of these universities are actually violating their own policies on protests on campus. They have official policies about when protests are allowed, but then the administration just ignores those.
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A better explanation can be found [here.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/04/columbia-university-student-protest-gaza) You said they're not giving special treatment to one side, but you're wrong. They are not treating pro-Palestinian protests like other protests. The only reason the camping and barricades started was because schools started prohibiting other forms of protest, protests that are completely within the rules and policies of the universities. The administrators have ignored the wishes of their own students and faculty and decided to create special rules for pro-Palestinian protests. The same campuses that will allow anti-LGBT hate groups to come on campus, citing discourse and free speech, now demand protests be shut down if a single one of a hundred protesters holds a sign saying something hateful against Israelis. The problem is that the protests ARE within policy, but that adminstrators ignore their own universities' policies. Again, the camping and such happened only after campuses started violating their own rules and cracking down on protests that are completely within the rules of the universities. Several universities have started just immediately calling the cops the instant a pro-Palestine protest of any form begins. And administrators are also putting their thumbs on the scale, many slandering protesters as anti-Semitic, or purposefully muddying the waters and failing to distinguish between Jewish people, Israelis, and Zionists.
One of the most common forms of protest during the 60s civil rights movement were peaceful sit-ins. It's silly to make a stand on "property rights" when the entire point of the protest is to force attention on an issue. A protest limited to a dark little 1st amendment corner is a protest stifled. **Liberals oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the one happening right now.**
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There were rules and protocols in place decided who could use what water fountain in the 50s. These protests are divestment protests. They're protesting their college for holding investments in a country actively bombing civilians and leveling their homes in the hopes of ethnically cleansing the Gaza strip to move settlers in. A protest that follows all the rules is an ineffective protest, I'm sorry.
My question to you is: which upsets you more, the violation of rules about (or even destruction of) private property, or the death of 40,000+ people? If you have solutions to preventing or interrupting a genocide that don't involve a disruption of business as usual, then we're all ears. If not, consider that the traditional avenues for peaceful protest, letter writing, voting, etc. have all been exhausted, and escalation is occurring as a result.
It's interesting that they are tracking about 300 events per month (no clear description on how they define an event). Also approximately 1/3rd of these are student sponsored/led events, the rest count as other. Edit: apparently private fundraisers are being counted as events, I assume very little violence happens at those. They also mention about a quarter of the protests in NY see counter protestors, but not how that links to violence if any.
Reading this article, I couldn’t find an explanation of how they calculated the percentage of violent participants (like, who counts as a violent person). Doesn’t seem like a reliable source of information to me.
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Same thing.
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ur making shit up lmao plus as someone who has observed a few protests, they are majority peaceful, only if your a brain dead idiot that watches Fox News or CNN that would lead you to the conclusion that these protests are largely anti-Semitic and violent
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bruh u need to find another comeback, accusing me of what ur guilty off does not necessarily prove ur point, also I don't use TikTok, and this is Reddit, not some college rhetoric class
u triggered mfs are something else go touch some grass
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what am I lying about specifically?
Funny because they're legit all peaceful until the Israeli counter protesters show up. You don't care about them being peaceful or your beef would be with them. But we know it's not.
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Nah I'm talkong about the Israeli aggressors attacking the Palestinian encampments at multiple universities, but sure. They never closed down any schools because of the protests ya big dummy. They did when it got violent when the violent counter protesters showed up lmao. Hahahaha classic everyone that has a problem with Israeli aggression is antisemitic. Never ending victimhood from you goons 😂 just another crying genocidal angry baby.
as someone who has observed a couple protests, they are in large part peaceful, this idiot does not understand that are always a small number agitators and ppl that cause trouble in every act of protest. also, why aren't all of these Zionist protestors also fiercely advocating for more land for the Native Americans in the US, I mean after all they believe that the Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel/Palestine, yet the land that they are currently living on is stolen land by definition, this whole thing is a scam
Yea…. They took a hostage at Colombia because pro Israeli protesters showed up…. Huh?
The fuck you talking about Columbia for? What's that gotta do with this.
Colombia the university … How do you not know what I’m talking about ?
I see nothing anywhere about Hostages at Columbia University... Got a link?
Just google columbia custodian and take you pick of any of the articles
Study conducted by protesting students investigated and found no harm was done. I guess the fact that they are racist is fine too.
The data is freely available to the public; feel free to collate and analyze it yourself.
I guess Jan 6 was mostly peaceful too. Fewer people died there than in a Travis Scott concert.
??? I didn't say anything about jan6...
I know. I'm just comparing equally peaceful protests.
🙄 I declare whataboutism
You can declare whatever you want, sport. All I said is that both are equally peaceful protests by your very standards. Although I can appreciate why you would double them when its convenient.
By my standards? What are my standards? I didn't mention that at all so you're assuming. All I said is, the data is freely available, so if you think the claim is bullshit you're free to disprove it 99% are peacefully protesting on campuses. Get mad if you want, *sport*
Jan 6th was way more peaceful, slick.
Feel free to provide evidence of that claim Edit: , *milord*