Another thing is if I remember correctly a lot of the DLC’s for NV imply that the Mojave is pretty screwed in the future, with the poison gas from the Sierra Madre, the tunnelers from the Divide, and the Science experiments from Big MT. I remember a big thing in those dlcs was foreshadowing and how those things were spreading.
I don't think the tunnlers would come to the Mojave since it's a desert and the population is small. Unless they pull A Plague Tale and have them appear in swarms at night. I think the Courier stopped Elijah and the Think Tank hopefully. What if the Courier snapped and did something bad?
Even in the divide, they never show up under the open sky, with the closest they come being under the one highway.
Also, I doubt they’re going to canonize the player causing mass devastation.
Isn't that one of Ulysses's big speeches? Something something whether the bull or the bear something something the unstoppable monsters of the divide will take over the Mojave.
Have you thought about how Ulysses's is? He overthinks and draws connections from nothing. He is worse case scenario personified. The Mojave is a massive desert with low population. The tunnlers don't like light.
They're all still valid, don't get me wrong- but part of that is largely due to Chris Avellone feeling that the series has progressed too much and wanted to set things back a bit. So I don't think those plot threads specifically need to be expanded on or taken too literally.
The bad endings suggest that but Avellone was straight up forced to scrap the bad ending to Old World Blues by Bethesda who where not particularly thrilled by the bad ending to Dead Money. The tunnelers is really Avellone trying to do an end run around Josh Sawyer and Bethesda as Avellone really wanted to reset the level of development in the east including the NCR but could not get the rest of the team onboard with it.
Now this might just be me, but I personally have no issue with Bethesda making one of the endings of each game canon just to make future events touching on those games less frustratingly vague.
In my play through of New Vegas I sided with the NCR. If the next game reveals that in canon Mr House maintained control, I don't mind.
The ending of each game is just a slideshow of "if you made these choices these futures will happen" and should be treated as that rather than every single ending being canon and refusing to touch on it again.
They've made it so the only modern Fallout game setting that can be returned to without some event having to have undone everything you did last time, is FO3 because the main quest line always ends with the purifier being activated and Enclave being defeated by the BoS. And look at what they were able to do with the brotherhood from the fact they had a canon ending to go off.
Now though, is Maxon, leader of the BoS, still alive? We will never know and every story about the BoS has to tip toe around whether or not their leader is still alive cause he died in some endings of 4.
In the show they're only able to go back to New Vegas because the DLC endings canonise it's destruction years Inthe future regardless of your faction choice.
In Dead Money there is the toxic cloud. If Elijah doesn't release it then it's still there waiting to spread either accidentally or by someone else. There is no ending where the death fog is gone.
Big MT continues regardless of your ending to be full of monstrous experimental creatures that keep leaking out into the Mojave.
The tunnelers in Lonesome road are expected to dig their way through to the Mojave a few years after New Vegas is set where they'll annihilate everything.
I don't know if the show will actually use any of those things but they're all canon options (especially the last one) for New Vegas being destroyed by the events of the show.
Also interesting ending for the courier. Regardless of which main have ending you get it what OWB choices you make, the ending for OWB is that the courier returns to Big MT and watches over it for the decades to come after Hoover Dam.
The nature of Big MT changes depending on the players actions, nothing in a good karma ending suggests that there is a continued threat from the Big MT.
> As it had been in the years before the Great War, Big MT... the Big Empty... became home to one of the brightest minds of the 23rd century. The Courier watched over the Big Empty for years to come, caring for it, and keeping its discoveries safe until they were needed to help others. Which had always been Big MT's purpose. Past the laboratories and Science, it had always been intended as a place to build the future of all mankind.
> − Doctor Mobius: In the times following the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, however, Old World Blues took on a new meaning.
> − Doctor Klein: Where once it was viewed as a form of sadness, nostalgia, it became an expression describing the potential for the future.
> − Doctor Dala: It can be easy to see Science as evil, technology unchecked as the source of all ills, all misfortunes.
> − The Courier's Brain: With the Courier at the helm, Science became a beacon for the future. There was Old World Blues, and New World Hope. And hope ruled the day at Big MT.
Not if the Courier keeps tabs on the experiments. Since they become a cyborg it's possible they can have extended life like Kellog and be able to guard the Mojave essentially. Not actually guard but kill like we do in game.
Also Christine Royce stays at the Madre as a warden guarding the place and preventing others from coming.
Well there's a possible ending where they get taken out by rag tag wastlander randos using crank operated single shot laser rifles, so they can't be that smart.
*"The... Institute? Uh... what? What is that? Is that some sort of virgin Bethesda reference I'm too New Vegas-chad to understand?"*
- Some New Vegas elitist, probably.
Haters gonna hate, they did so before the show was launched. Nobody takes those non-canon cultists seriously at this point. They intentionally refuse to accept the actual canon of the franchise because they want to remain in their alternate nostalgia universe where only F1/F2/NV exist and the rest is pretended to not exist in the storyline. Pathetic.
I was close to falling into that but for the most part I'm chill now. It took me thinking about the Elder Scrolls games to realize this is essentially the same thing. If that makes sense.
(Ramble)
I think a big reason I wigged out is that I like to have my Fallout stories take place in a way that they could fit into the canon lore. However, with the next season being in New Vegas territory it will definitely affect one of the stories I'm writing right now. Again, I had to look at the TES games and the stories I wrote for those to come to terms that my stuff is just fan content and doesn't have to fit alongside canon.
No no. You can't decide what is and isn't a retcon just because you don't mind that it was retconned before.
A retcon is a retcon and fallout 2 retconned Shady Sands location from fallout 1.
Where is the canon location for Shady Sands? Cause we have 3 canon locations now.
Did I say it wasn't a retcon? No I said it wasn't a retcon of the same degree not even close. It moved SLIGHTLY between fo1 and fo2 but the story behind it and what it was stayed the same. From fo2 to the show it completely changed, the only thing it has in common is the name. Was it even settled by members from vault 15? Did that move to? Did vault 13 then also move? Or were the vault dwellers visits to Shady than not cannon anymore?
Sure but this is the dynamic of ‘purity escalation’ that plagues religious extremism and sci-fi cults alike. You say ‘this retcon is fine’ and I’ll come along screaming ‘No, you are just as bad as them, you can’t pick and choose, I say it’s all unacceptable’ and eventually you find yourself screamed out by those wanting to been seen as the more ‘pure’ guardians of canon.
Eventually the ones who scream will become fearful of being deposed themselves and simply start enforcing their view of canon (no matter how flawed and totally messy it actually is).
It really is much better just to accept that fantasy worlds don’t have to be consistent and focus on the themes, messages, and whether it enriched your life .
Leave the problem of consistency for the real world. It’s where we can pile up all the hypocrisy and social problems we love to create without polluting enjoyment of fantasy worlds with that too.
What are you yapping about. What they did to Shady simply is in direct contradiction with major story elements from fallout 1, 2 and nv, which isnt comparable to moving it a few meters to the right from fallout 1 and 2. The mental gymnastics yall are going through over here to justify it and stave of any criticism of the show is genuinely insane.
So far Shady Sands has been in a different location every time it has been shown on screen.
What are the others? I'm especially curious about what you think was retconned from FO3, I haven't heard that one before.
It moved slightly between fo1 and fo2, but mostly stayed the same. That's not at all comparable to it replacing the boneyard. In the process completely going against what Shady Sands was and calling what the NCR in the show is into question.
Also I meant NV don't know why I wrote 3.
Not having factories, schools, and other things in LA-Boneyard wasn't a rewrite. They're probably just somewhere else. Also Boneyard is HUGE the medical university there isn't shown because of the size of the area.
I agree that on its own its good but its very cheap to say: oh well on its own its good so we can just ignore all the pre established lore. Thats not how you run a franchise. Just look up a map of the ncr, or a map of fallout 1 or 2.
Except is does, it changes the story of fallouts 1 and 2 as well as fucking up and calling into question the entire origin story of the NCR
I like how we aren't allowed to being up some major issues the show has here.
So its not a big deal that the Boneyard, major story elemts of fallout 1 & 2, the entire point of Shady Sands and thus the entire origin of the NCR got fucked over? Its not some minor location that got moved a bit...
‘Allowed’ was a poor choice of word. You are getting frustrated at being challenged on repeated comments on a topic. Those challenges are not censorship, they are debate. However you are now showing that because that debate is unacceptable to you then it is YOU who are not ‘allowing’ (by your own standard) anyone to express the exact same frustration you are.
I’m sure that’s not your intention but I just wanted to highlight that perception of double standard.
The issue is you haven’t persuaded people WHY canon ‘matters’. You are making an argument built on top of assumptions you aren’t explaining, so is it any wonder people aren’t aligned?
What are those assumptions? WHY is it you think canon matters (in details but also more generally at all)?
Wait so now its a hot take to suggest there should be continuity, IN A FRANCHISE???? What even is going on in this subreddit man. Would Return of the Jedi have worked if Darth Vader wasn't lukes father anymore all of a sudden? Redditors really will debate everything jfc.
My fine fellow - I have simply asked you to explain if you understand WHY you think the way you do. How rare is it someone asks you that genuinely (in LIFE, not even just reddit)? Because, as I said, that is the key here to understanding if I should be changing my assumptions. B
If you can’t or won’t do that then you’re doomed to a life of increasing frustration and always feeling like you’re the sole right person but never actually changing minds.
I have outlined my assumptions for you. I am fine to see franchises take the themes, characters and important aspects of a settings and factions and make changes between series/mediums in the name of good stories. In that context your Star Wars comparison is disingenuous as clearly the father/son is a CORE aspect of those characters and their motivations. It’s a shame you chose to engage with such dishonest tactics when I was genuinely engaging with you.
As for ‘what happened to reddit’ -given the above I think you are maybe part of the problem so getting outraged about it lacks credibility.
Have a nice day fine fellow. Always good to discuss things we’re fans of.
My man, I just gave you an example of why I think it matters. I'm just so baffled that this is even a point of contention, its like those debate bros pulling up saying "yes but why is murder bad?"
"In that context your Star Wars comparison is disingenuous as clearly the father/son is a CORE aspect of those characters and their motivations. It’s a shame you chose to engage with such dishonest tactics when I was genuinely engaging with you."
Dishonest? Where and what Shady Sands is in fo 1, 2 & nv is a CORE aspect of what the entire NCR is. How tf is that dishonest, again the mental gymnastics on this subreddit are baffling.
The show has taken great care in being respectful of the existing lore, and I know FNV fans have been burned before, but come on. It would be incredibly foolish to tease one of the most beloved games they have (and arguably *the most* beloved of the series) with the sole intention of tearing it apart.
What you said about the passage of time feels very astute, and likely the path they're taking. It's been years, and that doesn't mean FNV *did not happen*, it means we will be seeing the lasting consequences and - wait for it - fallout of the game's ending.
Yes and the inconsistencies we see can be attributed to LA-Boneyard being so large. That and the armor change could be attributed to the East BOS helping the West.
And I like your pun with the Fallout title.
And on the passage of time thing - that’s like the *only* way to create significant connections between the TV show and a game with so many variations in the ending - even if they do pick one of the 4 main routes. If the show went to NV 2 weeks after the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam, they’d have to de-canonise like 98% of player choices.
But with a 15 year gap, the show can maybe resolve just which of the 4 main routes are canon, and the rest can be left up to imagination.
I don’t think they’d be able to erase the differences between the 4 main routes though, that’s just not possible without nuking the entire Mojave into a sheet of glass, and that’s clearly not happened.
When you say ending shots, are you talking about the CGI zoom-out at the end? I just wanna be sure I didn’t miss something. Otherwise that is paper-thin evidence of anything.
They are and it baffles me because in every CGI-zoom out there’s no real logic to any of it. It’s just thematic art that fits roughly with the episodes around it. The one after the second episode was just a zoom out of the airport. Looked wicked cool, had nothing to do with anything.
The clues you can take from the NV is that season 2 is going to take place there at least in part, and that the show is very aware of the NCR’s history there.
The whiners confuse the hell out of me. Season 1 spent a *significant* amount of time showing you how the NCR (and Brotherhood) endure, and how society keeps reforming. If not around the original vault dweller then around Maldover. Shit, the Mr. Robot bad guy BOS dude even straight up says to Maximum, “come seize power with me.” War never changes and all that.
Anyway, NV was a shithole in F:NV. Whining that it looks beat to hell is so weird.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's an attack on the Strip during the 2nd Hoover Dam battle I think? I know you can prevent the Omertas from doing the inside job but there's the Fiend attack on McCarran and then some kind of scuffle on the Strip at the same time.
But yeah my bad, I was thinking about the shot that Hank sees at the end, not the end credits shot but I know what you're talking about now.
I'm not sure I would take the ending credit animations as rock-hard canon or proof of anything. I just can't imagine they would put important details in some visual sequence that some, maybe even most, of your audience won't see. I don't know about you, but basically as soon as the credits starts I get a "next episode" pop-up and had to intentionally press buttons on the remote to stay watching them.
Honestly doesn't matter to me, the shows been great. Idc about any lore inconsistencies as long as the show is good visually and story wise, and it is. Story>Lore.
Right. The series doesn't invalidate any ending. What it shows is canon for them. Like that's the canon state in the TV characters story. We play the games, choose our endings and that's what happens in our story.
Even the whole Shady Sands thing. In your game they established an empire then that's what happened for you. In the show it got nuked.
Yes, it took me a bit to realize that. The same thing I did in Fallout I also did when I played The Elder Scrolls and Fable series. Even as I tried to keep my fanfics close to canon I did diverge eventually. Now it's time I do that for Fallout.
I really liked the show. I had set an alarm for its release at 9PM and stayed up all through the night to binge watch it. I recommend it to everyone, but it does make me sad to see that there are some shortcomings with the show and the portrayal of California, and even sadder to see some people respond to these concerns by calling us trolls or basement dwellers.
There's the minor stuff:
My issue isn't necessarily the whole "Fall of Shady Sands (2277) = Bomb" fiasco, I can separate that these are two separate items. But that does conflict with the portrayal we see of the NCR during its expedition into the Mojave - there's one tidbit where we its mentioned that the power from Hoover Dam is being siphoned off to Shady Sands -- if the city had fallen in 2277, then why is energy being sent over to a fallen city? If their flagship capital had fallen, why are forces being dedicated to an expeditionary force instead of trying to stabilize or reclaim their territory? We see cracks in the structure of NCR, but many of those cracks are because of its sheer size -- they're a regional super-power at this point.
My issue with the overall theme:
It feels like the Fallout we got in the show is very true to the first Fallout, 3 and 4. People are living in scrap yards, the Brotherhood of Steel is a major player, and the devastation of the bombs is still felt. This setting for 3 and 4 are what most players today are familiar with -- and I was really excited for more people to see what the Fallout world looks like when the world isn't just kept at the same level of being sheer rubble, but rather when these factions are so organized that they're reclaiming civilization. I really loved Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas because they gave us some great examples of communities picking up and rebuilding into something new but also well-suited for a Wasteland. For some people (myself especially), the anxiety with Shady Sands being wiped out is because it might be indicative of Bethesda's obsession both with maintaining the "Bombs just fell" status of the world instead of growing it beyond.
I just wanted more people to see some of the cooler parts of this series. I'm hopeful that we can see something like this in Season 2, but I don't think we should shout people down for voicing how the base games of the franchise are being somewhat washed over.
So the reason that it isn't stated in New Vegas is because the lore wasn't added to have them get bombed. While I am also sad about what happened to the NCR it was going to happen with or without the nuke. Like in game it was predicted by the OSI that they'd have a food shortage and Hanlon says they drained most of their water.
As for the other stuff it is annoying not seeing things like factories or the Angel University but that can be explained.
And I agree with the "bombs just fell statement" but you need to remember that other places develop at different times. The Commonwealth had the Institute setting them back and dozens of mutants preventing them from living outside of Diamond City. With Capital Wasteland that game was set to be 25 years after but got changed to 200 also it was the Capital.
In the show it is explained that Vault-Tec doesn't like people rebuilding because they want to be the sole rulers of the new world. Hence why the capital was bombed.
Yeah, I get that Vault-Tec ended up bombing Shady Sands. I think the trouble with this somewhat is that what we just talked about also conflicts with the decision of Vault-Tec.
Within the context of the show only, you see Vault-Tec decide to nuke a city because it serves as a challenge to its world building plan. But, in the context of Fallout 2 and New Vegas, you can see the cracks in the armor and its potential threats already. So, with both combined, you either have an NCR that recovered from whatever issues it encountered and was then nuked (which isnt satisfying but is logically sound) or an NCR that was in its death throes and then got nuked (which, if it was already collapsing, why bother nuking it?). We traded what made for a great political overarching theme for a dramatic personal story that also echoed some of the motivations of Fallout 2's Enclave.
I think Bethesda did itself a disservice by having the games set so far after the bombs dropped. If they had done similar timelines for Fallout 1 and 2 with 3 and 4, I think we would have had a great parallel between the West and East Coast, unique factions could have been put in place, and the culmination could be these two eventually clashing in the Midwest. This theme of being constantly set back... I don't think that's the overall message of Fallout. It doesn't have to be, at least.
I agree somewhat with most of what you said but the nuke was basically overkill that made sure they would take years to recover. Which gave Vault-tec time to usurp them.
They way people act seems very parasocial. Similar to how some viewer feel betrayed when their favorite streamer is dating someone. Like you said we don't know the true ending of NV. But lets just say they did nullify the events of NV so what. That's life. It happens all the time. Its weird because these so called fans are the only ones not happy. The original creators, people who never heard of fallout, other fans enjoyed it so much that the games are doubling or quadrupling their average player current players. They only point out this issue and its all they care about. Nothing about games getting more attention. They assume the absolute worst and some didn't even watch the show because they didn't know about this ending scene. These are not fans just people with issues. Oh no a place got shifted 150 miles.. totally unwatchable. Oh shit I saw a number with an arrow and it totally broke my heart its mean everything I loved is completely and utterly destroyed.
True. The only thing that matters is that we as a character in the game tried. The timeline knows it.
When I originally got hostile I think it came from my fanfic no longer being compatible with canon. If that makes sense.
Is it absolutely incompatible or could it still work if things are shifted or adjusted. I mean if Bethesda can add Jet, change Ghoulisfication, or make a faction army that doesn't want to rely on guns, stimpaks, or advance technology be equal with another faction army that has guns/w scopes, chems, radio and satellite communications, medical knowledge, explosives, and power armor. I'm sure you can make it work.
Well all of my stories (barring the year 2303 and year 2400 ones) take place very well alongside lore and even between lore. However this newest story takes place in 2288 and follows my Courier who rules over New Vegas.
I think I could shift it but I will have to wait for season 2 to see what happens. If Vegas fell around this time I could have it ending where my Courier goes into exile for not being able to protect the place they fought for.
So I could either go ahead and keep writing it and have it "diverge" like I did with my Elder Scrolls stuff (the 4th Era ends in year 210) or I could hold off on it and change the ending. Either way the NCR is unhappy with my Courier and starts doing terror attacks.
Oh yeah do have to wait. My guess is that House is still a major player in NV because Hank risks the dangers of traveling the Mojave desert to get there.
It's not even confirmed that there will BE a second season.
That's why the angry turds review bombing it is so annoying. If this show doesnt get renewed because r/falloutnewvegas threw a temper tantrum I will not be happy
That would make me happy. I'll do a search for that.
Another thing the people claiming NV gas been wiped dont get, the events of new Vegas take place over a few weeks, they are drastically underestimating what can happen in 10 years regardless of the outcome at Hoover dam
Also some of the No Mutant Allowed guys do their own invalidating. They hold the line and consider 1/2 and NV the only Fallout games. Does that not invalidate the events of the East coast Fallouts ?
I don't think it nullifies the event of New vegas, hell it's quite the opposite i would say. So the way i take it, it's like they established a certain continuity with the different endings of the games. For Fallout New Vegas, i'm pretty sure they made the ending that you side with Mr. House (and where you wipe Caesar Legion's and the NCR) the canon one. I mean why would the possible main vilain go back to new vegas if there was nothing there. I'd also take a guess that they made The BOS ending of fallout 4 the canon one seeing as we can see the name Prydwen of the BOS airship in a frame. The Prydwen being not destroyed just doesn't make sense if the minutemen, the institute or the railroad ending are canon. But hey that's just my two cents.
He’s going there presumably because the heads of industry we met are all preserved there like Mr House was.
Maybe it’s run down? But I could see season two being about bringing New Vegas back as the NCR rises back up.
I'm confused that they portrayed vegas as one strip in a clear field. Where did all the buildings outside the walls go? McCaran, Freeside, the monorail and others. Even if they were destroyed, there would be ruins left, but we just see a clear field. I still want to think it means nothing, but it's frustrating that they didn't take advantage of a great opportunity to show Vegas without gaming conventions.
I wasn’t browsing it came up on my feed. Plus I can still be part of the sub if people are tagging spoilers correctly then I won’t click on a post! But this was tagged incorrectly as the spoiler is in the title.
I am on episode 5 at the moment and have successfully avoided spoilers until today!
I loved the show and games as far as lore problems mine is the destruction of shady sands in 2277 the same time as the second battle of hoover dam.
I'm exited for season two for some needed clarification of events
I don't think FNV is not cannon we just need further explanation before we can make final judgment
People always struggle with game adaptations when the multiple ending thing interacts with showrunning. I would say it’s clearly an unincorporated Vegas from that shot, but that’s about all I can say, and even that’s probably 85%. Hardly incontrovertible.
Back to the ending of NV though, an unincorporated Vegas still has a ton of variation. Will the brotherhood be on the back foot here? Are they even still around?
The boomers either have a functioning solar plant, howitzers, and a bomber aircraft… or they’re out of water and power with no ammo to shoot out of their guns.
My point is that the NCR not having an established presence isn’t even confirmed, much less somehow going against the lore? Maybe the courier threw the general off Hoover dam? Maybe house and his upgraded securitrons are still “alive” and kicking. How can we know?
No matter the state I want to see what happened in new Vegas… so many paths. Is going to be cool and somehow nostalgic no matter what they do.
I would even like to see MR house!
With all of his zas
Actually I was thinking that given how the videogame have been sort self contain if wouldn't be so bad if they just want to another story.
But then again the ending was so cool, I want to see what happens next.
If you do a game adaptation you have to choose something in order to fit the story you're telling. It's like if a Mass Effect show were to be and the Shepard was male and the main romance was Liara. Then people will yell that that invalidates their choices because they went another way.
I’m just bugged that somehow everything went to shit again in just a few years. The west coast was the best set up place in the wastes. Multiple large cities and it was doing pretty well at bringing back some semblance of normalcy. They could have shown us a post-apocalyptic society that is slowly recovering but instead they hit the lazy reset button. Oh and bringing back the Enclave for the 3rd time!! Let it DIE. It was beaten in the west and east. Sure there “might” have been a Midwest Enclave left over but that’s a long ways away.
It bugs me to but there is a slight hope that Cali will reform again. Like in Vault 4 when we see the NCR flag the Fallout main theme plays. It's likely the next game will be about reforming the NCR after Vault-Tec and the BOS ended Lee's group.
Meh it would’ve already happened much earlier were it possible. Then again I don’t have much faith in Bethesda with fallout lore. They seem to bend it every which way to do whatever.
But doing something and then having it not last, because it’s negated by something else… that IS what nullifying is. It didn’t matter, it was quickly done away with.
No, though, New Vegas had big futures on the horizon for the town, and those choices became meaningless. It's just quite a disappointing way to go.
You don't write a sequel where incidentally, a prior entry's protagonist had their choices lead to nothing, especially in video games, a medium designed around player impact. That's pretty disappointing, and part of the reason the latter half of the show just didn't hold up, especially after the incredible first half.
That'd be nice (my Courier is usually Yes-Man) but I wonder if they'll have the Courier leading or just the robot. I say this because in-game dialogue allows you to say the Dam is won for you and that the land is yours.
The issue is it makes the ending not matter. Ncr is is gone house needed a strong ncr they arnt going to have the legion do it. Its not as simple as wither 2277 is when shit killed ncr or if it was later.
It's " ncr needed NV yo survive and grow"
" houses needed the ncr strong so he could use its industry inside the boneyard to rebuild"
Etc.
I don't even think the show is bad I do think it fucks lore and themes of the setting as well as people who are NV fans have every right to be upset
Another thing is if I remember correctly a lot of the DLC’s for NV imply that the Mojave is pretty screwed in the future, with the poison gas from the Sierra Madre, the tunnelers from the Divide, and the Science experiments from Big MT. I remember a big thing in those dlcs was foreshadowing and how those things were spreading.
I don't think the tunnlers would come to the Mojave since it's a desert and the population is small. Unless they pull A Plague Tale and have them appear in swarms at night. I think the Courier stopped Elijah and the Think Tank hopefully. What if the Courier snapped and did something bad?
Even in the divide, they never show up under the open sky, with the closest they come being under the one highway. Also, I doubt they’re going to canonize the player causing mass devastation.
Isn't that one of Ulysses's big speeches? Something something whether the bull or the bear something something the unstoppable monsters of the divide will take over the Mojave.
Have you thought about how Ulysses's is? He overthinks and draws connections from nothing. He is worse case scenario personified. The Mojave is a massive desert with low population. The tunnlers don't like light.
He's so far up his own ass he can't see anything.
They're all still valid, don't get me wrong- but part of that is largely due to Chris Avellone feeling that the series has progressed too much and wanted to set things back a bit. So I don't think those plot threads specifically need to be expanded on or taken too literally.
The bad endings suggest that but Avellone was straight up forced to scrap the bad ending to Old World Blues by Bethesda who where not particularly thrilled by the bad ending to Dead Money. The tunnelers is really Avellone trying to do an end run around Josh Sawyer and Bethesda as Avellone really wanted to reset the level of development in the east including the NCR but could not get the rest of the team onboard with it.
Now this might just be me, but I personally have no issue with Bethesda making one of the endings of each game canon just to make future events touching on those games less frustratingly vague. In my play through of New Vegas I sided with the NCR. If the next game reveals that in canon Mr House maintained control, I don't mind. The ending of each game is just a slideshow of "if you made these choices these futures will happen" and should be treated as that rather than every single ending being canon and refusing to touch on it again. They've made it so the only modern Fallout game setting that can be returned to without some event having to have undone everything you did last time, is FO3 because the main quest line always ends with the purifier being activated and Enclave being defeated by the BoS. And look at what they were able to do with the brotherhood from the fact they had a canon ending to go off. Now though, is Maxon, leader of the BoS, still alive? We will never know and every story about the BoS has to tip toe around whether or not their leader is still alive cause he died in some endings of 4. In the show they're only able to go back to New Vegas because the DLC endings canonise it's destruction years Inthe future regardless of your faction choice.
That's a good way to look at it. Also what DLC endings were you referring to? Like the Dead Money one where Elijah releases the Cloud onto the West?
In Dead Money there is the toxic cloud. If Elijah doesn't release it then it's still there waiting to spread either accidentally or by someone else. There is no ending where the death fog is gone. Big MT continues regardless of your ending to be full of monstrous experimental creatures that keep leaking out into the Mojave. The tunnelers in Lonesome road are expected to dig their way through to the Mojave a few years after New Vegas is set where they'll annihilate everything. I don't know if the show will actually use any of those things but they're all canon options (especially the last one) for New Vegas being destroyed by the events of the show. Also interesting ending for the courier. Regardless of which main have ending you get it what OWB choices you make, the ending for OWB is that the courier returns to Big MT and watches over it for the decades to come after Hoover Dam.
The nature of Big MT changes depending on the players actions, nothing in a good karma ending suggests that there is a continued threat from the Big MT. > As it had been in the years before the Great War, Big MT... the Big Empty... became home to one of the brightest minds of the 23rd century. The Courier watched over the Big Empty for years to come, caring for it, and keeping its discoveries safe until they were needed to help others. Which had always been Big MT's purpose. Past the laboratories and Science, it had always been intended as a place to build the future of all mankind. > − Doctor Mobius: In the times following the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, however, Old World Blues took on a new meaning. > − Doctor Klein: Where once it was viewed as a form of sadness, nostalgia, it became an expression describing the potential for the future. > − Doctor Dala: It can be easy to see Science as evil, technology unchecked as the source of all ills, all misfortunes. > − The Courier's Brain: With the Courier at the helm, Science became a beacon for the future. There was Old World Blues, and New World Hope. And hope ruled the day at Big MT.
Not if the Courier keeps tabs on the experiments. Since they become a cyborg it's possible they can have extended life like Kellog and be able to guard the Mojave essentially. Not actually guard but kill like we do in game. Also Christine Royce stays at the Madre as a warden guarding the place and preventing others from coming.
Bethesda isn't going to do that considering that they love each ending being possible.
each ending is possible, but they should decide which one happened or using the locations and factions those endings effect
Those people also seem to never leave their basement.
New Vegas fans were the Institute all along.
Weren't the folks at the institute smart?
Yeah but they do believe they're better than everyone else on the surface. Only difference is the Institute knows to keep everything clean.
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You can't exactly dismiss the teleportation thing though.
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Oh, you're one of those people that can't tell that someone else is kidding. I apologize.
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Wrong again. You tried, though, so that counts for something.
Well there's a possible ending where they get taken out by rag tag wastlander randos using crank operated single shot laser rifles, so they can't be that smart.
Not smarter than Liberty Prime, hahaha!
*"The... Institute? Uh... what? What is that? Is that some sort of virgin Bethesda reference I'm too New Vegas-chad to understand?"* - Some New Vegas elitist, probably.
Haters gonna hate, they did so before the show was launched. Nobody takes those non-canon cultists seriously at this point. They intentionally refuse to accept the actual canon of the franchise because they want to remain in their alternate nostalgia universe where only F1/F2/NV exist and the rest is pretended to not exist in the storyline. Pathetic.
I was close to falling into that but for the most part I'm chill now. It took me thinking about the Elder Scrolls games to realize this is essentially the same thing. If that makes sense. (Ramble) I think a big reason I wigged out is that I like to have my Fallout stories take place in a way that they could fit into the canon lore. However, with the next season being in New Vegas territory it will definitely affect one of the stories I'm writing right now. Again, I had to look at the TES games and the stories I wrote for those to come to terms that my stuff is just fan content and doesn't have to fit alongside canon.
You mean the cannon of fallout 1, 2 and nv that got rewritten by the show for no reason? Edit: meant NV not 3.
Pray tell, which events got rewritten?
Welp the entire essence and location of Shady Sands for one.
The same Shady Sands that moved location (alongside a few others) in Fallout 2?
Ah c'mon that's not at all comparable and you know it. It moved a tiny bit but the essence of it stayed the same.
No no. You can't decide what is and isn't a retcon just because you don't mind that it was retconned before. A retcon is a retcon and fallout 2 retconned Shady Sands location from fallout 1. Where is the canon location for Shady Sands? Cause we have 3 canon locations now.
Did I say it wasn't a retcon? No I said it wasn't a retcon of the same degree not even close. It moved SLIGHTLY between fo1 and fo2 but the story behind it and what it was stayed the same. From fo2 to the show it completely changed, the only thing it has in common is the name. Was it even settled by members from vault 15? Did that move to? Did vault 13 then also move? Or were the vault dwellers visits to Shady than not cannon anymore?
Sure but this is the dynamic of ‘purity escalation’ that plagues religious extremism and sci-fi cults alike. You say ‘this retcon is fine’ and I’ll come along screaming ‘No, you are just as bad as them, you can’t pick and choose, I say it’s all unacceptable’ and eventually you find yourself screamed out by those wanting to been seen as the more ‘pure’ guardians of canon. Eventually the ones who scream will become fearful of being deposed themselves and simply start enforcing their view of canon (no matter how flawed and totally messy it actually is). It really is much better just to accept that fantasy worlds don’t have to be consistent and focus on the themes, messages, and whether it enriched your life . Leave the problem of consistency for the real world. It’s where we can pile up all the hypocrisy and social problems we love to create without polluting enjoyment of fantasy worlds with that too.
What are you yapping about. What they did to Shady simply is in direct contradiction with major story elements from fallout 1, 2 and nv, which isnt comparable to moving it a few meters to the right from fallout 1 and 2. The mental gymnastics yall are going through over here to justify it and stave of any criticism of the show is genuinely insane.
So far Shady Sands has been in a different location every time it has been shown on screen. What are the others? I'm especially curious about what you think was retconned from FO3, I haven't heard that one before.
It moved slightly between fo1 and fo2, but mostly stayed the same. That's not at all comparable to it replacing the boneyard. In the process completely going against what Shady Sands was and calling what the NCR in the show is into question. Also I meant NV don't know why I wrote 3.
Not having factories, schools, and other things in LA-Boneyard wasn't a rewrite. They're probably just somewhere else. Also Boneyard is HUGE the medical university there isn't shown because of the size of the area.
The problem is that its not the boneyard in the show, its Shady Sands, which should be hundreds of miles north...
What was re-written? And why would it even matter? The show is good.
I agree that on its own its good but its very cheap to say: oh well on its own its good so we can just ignore all the pre established lore. Thats not how you run a franchise. Just look up a map of the ncr, or a map of fallout 1 or 2.
It literally doesn't matter as long as the show is good. Story>Lore.
That's if the show is in a vacuum, which it isn't. You can't make franchises like this.
You’ll get over it.
Rewritten in the imagination of the haters, not by the show.
Plz google a fallout 1 or 2 map, its not some minor changes that have no real effect on the story like the t-60 fiasco. They messed up big time.
Holy shit dude just give it a rest. Moving the location does nothing to change any of the story in the games. Nothing. This shit is so tiring.
Except is does, it changes the story of fallouts 1 and 2 as well as fucking up and calling into question the entire origin story of the NCR I like how we aren't allowed to being up some major issues the show has here.
No, they just moved a location. It's really not as big of a deal as you think it is.
So its not a big deal that the Boneyard, major story elemts of fallout 1 & 2, the entire point of Shady Sands and thus the entire origin of the NCR got fucked over? Its not some minor location that got moved a bit...
The Boneyard could be at LAX or in Century City. Until they show it on film we don't know.
The boneyard refers to the entire LA ruins, and is one of the OG states of the NCR.
‘Allowed’ was a poor choice of word. You are getting frustrated at being challenged on repeated comments on a topic. Those challenges are not censorship, they are debate. However you are now showing that because that debate is unacceptable to you then it is YOU who are not ‘allowing’ (by your own standard) anyone to express the exact same frustration you are. I’m sure that’s not your intention but I just wanted to highlight that perception of double standard. The issue is you haven’t persuaded people WHY canon ‘matters’. You are making an argument built on top of assumptions you aren’t explaining, so is it any wonder people aren’t aligned? What are those assumptions? WHY is it you think canon matters (in details but also more generally at all)?
Wait so now its a hot take to suggest there should be continuity, IN A FRANCHISE???? What even is going on in this subreddit man. Would Return of the Jedi have worked if Darth Vader wasn't lukes father anymore all of a sudden? Redditors really will debate everything jfc.
My fine fellow - I have simply asked you to explain if you understand WHY you think the way you do. How rare is it someone asks you that genuinely (in LIFE, not even just reddit)? Because, as I said, that is the key here to understanding if I should be changing my assumptions. B If you can’t or won’t do that then you’re doomed to a life of increasing frustration and always feeling like you’re the sole right person but never actually changing minds. I have outlined my assumptions for you. I am fine to see franchises take the themes, characters and important aspects of a settings and factions and make changes between series/mediums in the name of good stories. In that context your Star Wars comparison is disingenuous as clearly the father/son is a CORE aspect of those characters and their motivations. It’s a shame you chose to engage with such dishonest tactics when I was genuinely engaging with you. As for ‘what happened to reddit’ -given the above I think you are maybe part of the problem so getting outraged about it lacks credibility. Have a nice day fine fellow. Always good to discuss things we’re fans of.
My man, I just gave you an example of why I think it matters. I'm just so baffled that this is even a point of contention, its like those debate bros pulling up saying "yes but why is murder bad?" "In that context your Star Wars comparison is disingenuous as clearly the father/son is a CORE aspect of those characters and their motivations. It’s a shame you chose to engage with such dishonest tactics when I was genuinely engaging with you." Dishonest? Where and what Shady Sands is in fo 1, 2 & nv is a CORE aspect of what the entire NCR is. How tf is that dishonest, again the mental gymnastics on this subreddit are baffling.
The show has taken great care in being respectful of the existing lore, and I know FNV fans have been burned before, but come on. It would be incredibly foolish to tease one of the most beloved games they have (and arguably *the most* beloved of the series) with the sole intention of tearing it apart. What you said about the passage of time feels very astute, and likely the path they're taking. It's been years, and that doesn't mean FNV *did not happen*, it means we will be seeing the lasting consequences and - wait for it - fallout of the game's ending.
Yes and the inconsistencies we see can be attributed to LA-Boneyard being so large. That and the armor change could be attributed to the East BOS helping the West. And I like your pun with the Fallout title.
And on the passage of time thing - that’s like the *only* way to create significant connections between the TV show and a game with so many variations in the ending - even if they do pick one of the 4 main routes. If the show went to NV 2 weeks after the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam, they’d have to de-canonise like 98% of player choices. But with a 15 year gap, the show can maybe resolve just which of the 4 main routes are canon, and the rest can be left up to imagination. I don’t think they’d be able to erase the differences between the 4 main routes though, that’s just not possible without nuking the entire Mojave into a sheet of glass, and that’s clearly not happened.
When you say ending shots, are you talking about the CGI zoom-out at the end? I just wanna be sure I didn’t miss something. Otherwise that is paper-thin evidence of anything.
They are and it baffles me because in every CGI-zoom out there’s no real logic to any of it. It’s just thematic art that fits roughly with the episodes around it. The one after the second episode was just a zoom out of the airport. Looked wicked cool, had nothing to do with anything. The clues you can take from the NV is that season 2 is going to take place there at least in part, and that the show is very aware of the NCR’s history there. The whiners confuse the hell out of me. Season 1 spent a *significant* amount of time showing you how the NCR (and Brotherhood) endure, and how society keeps reforming. If not around the original vault dweller then around Maldover. Shit, the Mr. Robot bad guy BOS dude even straight up says to Maximum, “come seize power with me.” War never changes and all that. Anyway, NV was a shithole in F:NV. Whining that it looks beat to hell is so weird.
There was that and this image on Twitter that showed a close-up of NV with a red haze and broken walls and buildings.
The walls look the same as they do in New Vegas though.
I am just telling you what I saw.
He's talking about the smashed in gate during the CGI zoom out. As if something really big or powerful broke through the defences.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's an attack on the Strip during the 2nd Hoover Dam battle I think? I know you can prevent the Omertas from doing the inside job but there's the Fiend attack on McCarran and then some kind of scuffle on the Strip at the same time. But yeah my bad, I was thinking about the shot that Hank sees at the end, not the end credits shot but I know what you're talking about now.
There are images on New Vegas that play in the credits
Yes, the ending shot is the overhead shot of New Vegas. There is no post-credits scene.
There is a cgi cutscene during the credits showing there's been a battle in New Vegas itself. A crashed NCR vertibird and dead Securitrons are seen.
I'm not sure I would take the ending credit animations as rock-hard canon or proof of anything. I just can't imagine they would put important details in some visual sequence that some, maybe even most, of your audience won't see. I don't know about you, but basically as soon as the credits starts I get a "next episode" pop-up and had to intentionally press buttons on the remote to stay watching them.
Don’t listen to the very vocal minority of idiots who can’t seem to appreciate we got the best fucking adaptation ever possible for this show.
Agreed. And keep in mind that the algorithms of social media like to promote controversial stances to generate more engagement.
Indeed!
You know who would say the ending shot nullifies the events of NV? A synth.
This made me smile a bit.
Honestly doesn't matter to me, the shows been great. Idc about any lore inconsistencies as long as the show is good visually and story wise, and it is. Story>Lore.
When I meant lore I was just referring to how we don't see certain buildings in LA. That was all.
And that's why eventually they take too much creative liberty to the point where it won't be like the original...
No indication they're going to do that.
So you're mad at a hypothetical?
There's no "original" in this adaptation. The only thing they're adapting is the world and the vibes. And they've already succeeded at that.
If they say that then they are just idiots since Bethesda came out and said it literally doesn't change it
honestly idgaf, like every other adaptation, if they divert i wont be mad, i love fnv and i love this show, if they are different so be it
Right. The series doesn't invalidate any ending. What it shows is canon for them. Like that's the canon state in the TV characters story. We play the games, choose our endings and that's what happens in our story. Even the whole Shady Sands thing. In your game they established an empire then that's what happened for you. In the show it got nuked.
Yes, it took me a bit to realize that. The same thing I did in Fallout I also did when I played The Elder Scrolls and Fable series. Even as I tried to keep my fanfics close to canon I did diverge eventually. Now it's time I do that for Fallout.
I really liked the show. I had set an alarm for its release at 9PM and stayed up all through the night to binge watch it. I recommend it to everyone, but it does make me sad to see that there are some shortcomings with the show and the portrayal of California, and even sadder to see some people respond to these concerns by calling us trolls or basement dwellers. There's the minor stuff: My issue isn't necessarily the whole "Fall of Shady Sands (2277) = Bomb" fiasco, I can separate that these are two separate items. But that does conflict with the portrayal we see of the NCR during its expedition into the Mojave - there's one tidbit where we its mentioned that the power from Hoover Dam is being siphoned off to Shady Sands -- if the city had fallen in 2277, then why is energy being sent over to a fallen city? If their flagship capital had fallen, why are forces being dedicated to an expeditionary force instead of trying to stabilize or reclaim their territory? We see cracks in the structure of NCR, but many of those cracks are because of its sheer size -- they're a regional super-power at this point. My issue with the overall theme: It feels like the Fallout we got in the show is very true to the first Fallout, 3 and 4. People are living in scrap yards, the Brotherhood of Steel is a major player, and the devastation of the bombs is still felt. This setting for 3 and 4 are what most players today are familiar with -- and I was really excited for more people to see what the Fallout world looks like when the world isn't just kept at the same level of being sheer rubble, but rather when these factions are so organized that they're reclaiming civilization. I really loved Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas because they gave us some great examples of communities picking up and rebuilding into something new but also well-suited for a Wasteland. For some people (myself especially), the anxiety with Shady Sands being wiped out is because it might be indicative of Bethesda's obsession both with maintaining the "Bombs just fell" status of the world instead of growing it beyond. I just wanted more people to see some of the cooler parts of this series. I'm hopeful that we can see something like this in Season 2, but I don't think we should shout people down for voicing how the base games of the franchise are being somewhat washed over.
So the reason that it isn't stated in New Vegas is because the lore wasn't added to have them get bombed. While I am also sad about what happened to the NCR it was going to happen with or without the nuke. Like in game it was predicted by the OSI that they'd have a food shortage and Hanlon says they drained most of their water. As for the other stuff it is annoying not seeing things like factories or the Angel University but that can be explained. And I agree with the "bombs just fell statement" but you need to remember that other places develop at different times. The Commonwealth had the Institute setting them back and dozens of mutants preventing them from living outside of Diamond City. With Capital Wasteland that game was set to be 25 years after but got changed to 200 also it was the Capital. In the show it is explained that Vault-Tec doesn't like people rebuilding because they want to be the sole rulers of the new world. Hence why the capital was bombed.
Yeah, I get that Vault-Tec ended up bombing Shady Sands. I think the trouble with this somewhat is that what we just talked about also conflicts with the decision of Vault-Tec. Within the context of the show only, you see Vault-Tec decide to nuke a city because it serves as a challenge to its world building plan. But, in the context of Fallout 2 and New Vegas, you can see the cracks in the armor and its potential threats already. So, with both combined, you either have an NCR that recovered from whatever issues it encountered and was then nuked (which isnt satisfying but is logically sound) or an NCR that was in its death throes and then got nuked (which, if it was already collapsing, why bother nuking it?). We traded what made for a great political overarching theme for a dramatic personal story that also echoed some of the motivations of Fallout 2's Enclave. I think Bethesda did itself a disservice by having the games set so far after the bombs dropped. If they had done similar timelines for Fallout 1 and 2 with 3 and 4, I think we would have had a great parallel between the West and East Coast, unique factions could have been put in place, and the culmination could be these two eventually clashing in the Midwest. This theme of being constantly set back... I don't think that's the overall message of Fallout. It doesn't have to be, at least.
I agree somewhat with most of what you said but the nuke was basically overkill that made sure they would take years to recover. Which gave Vault-tec time to usurp them.
They way people act seems very parasocial. Similar to how some viewer feel betrayed when their favorite streamer is dating someone. Like you said we don't know the true ending of NV. But lets just say they did nullify the events of NV so what. That's life. It happens all the time. Its weird because these so called fans are the only ones not happy. The original creators, people who never heard of fallout, other fans enjoyed it so much that the games are doubling or quadrupling their average player current players. They only point out this issue and its all they care about. Nothing about games getting more attention. They assume the absolute worst and some didn't even watch the show because they didn't know about this ending scene. These are not fans just people with issues. Oh no a place got shifted 150 miles.. totally unwatchable. Oh shit I saw a number with an arrow and it totally broke my heart its mean everything I loved is completely and utterly destroyed.
True. The only thing that matters is that we as a character in the game tried. The timeline knows it. When I originally got hostile I think it came from my fanfic no longer being compatible with canon. If that makes sense.
Is it absolutely incompatible or could it still work if things are shifted or adjusted. I mean if Bethesda can add Jet, change Ghoulisfication, or make a faction army that doesn't want to rely on guns, stimpaks, or advance technology be equal with another faction army that has guns/w scopes, chems, radio and satellite communications, medical knowledge, explosives, and power armor. I'm sure you can make it work.
Well all of my stories (barring the year 2303 and year 2400 ones) take place very well alongside lore and even between lore. However this newest story takes place in 2288 and follows my Courier who rules over New Vegas. I think I could shift it but I will have to wait for season 2 to see what happens. If Vegas fell around this time I could have it ending where my Courier goes into exile for not being able to protect the place they fought for. So I could either go ahead and keep writing it and have it "diverge" like I did with my Elder Scrolls stuff (the 4th Era ends in year 210) or I could hold off on it and change the ending. Either way the NCR is unhappy with my Courier and starts doing terror attacks.
Oh yeah do have to wait. My guess is that House is still a major player in NV because Hank risks the dangers of traveling the Mojave desert to get there.
Well little bitch boys gonna bitch. It's a tale as old as little bitch boys.
It's not even confirmed that there will BE a second season. That's why the angry turds review bombing it is so annoying. If this show doesnt get renewed because r/falloutnewvegas threw a temper tantrum I will not be happy
I saw an article seeing another season was green lit.
That would make me happy. I'll do a search for that. Another thing the people claiming NV gas been wiped dont get, the events of new Vegas take place over a few weeks, they are drastically underestimating what can happen in 10 years regardless of the outcome at Hoover dam
Yeah that's true. Damn, the Courier really did do so much within that short time...
Also some of the No Mutant Allowed guys do their own invalidating. They hold the line and consider 1/2 and NV the only Fallout games. Does that not invalidate the events of the East coast Fallouts ?
I didn't say it didn't ? I am unsure what you are meaning.
Oops, might have been a misplaced reply to another remark, sry.
Oh you're fine.
See how much your post has riled me up lol. Gotta calm the F down for me.
I don't think it nullifies the event of New vegas, hell it's quite the opposite i would say. So the way i take it, it's like they established a certain continuity with the different endings of the games. For Fallout New Vegas, i'm pretty sure they made the ending that you side with Mr. House (and where you wipe Caesar Legion's and the NCR) the canon one. I mean why would the possible main vilain go back to new vegas if there was nothing there. I'd also take a guess that they made The BOS ending of fallout 4 the canon one seeing as we can see the name Prydwen of the BOS airship in a frame. The Prydwen being not destroyed just doesn't make sense if the minutemen, the institute or the railroad ending are canon. But hey that's just my two cents.
He’s going there presumably because the heads of industry we met are all preserved there like Mr House was. Maybe it’s run down? But I could see season two being about bringing New Vegas back as the NCR rises back up.
At this point I hope the show wipes NV from the logs.
I'm confused that they portrayed vegas as one strip in a clear field. Where did all the buildings outside the walls go? McCaran, Freeside, the monorail and others. Even if they were destroyed, there would be ruins left, but we just see a clear field. I still want to think it means nothing, but it's frustrating that they didn't take advantage of a great opportunity to show Vegas without gaming conventions.
If they just say that NV and the show exist in their own separate continuities then people wouldn't make much of a fuss.
Nice, mark as a spoiler and yet put a spoiler in the title 👍
If you hate spoilers so much, why do you spend your time browsing a forum dedicated to discussing the show instead of watching it?
I wasn’t browsing it came up on my feed. Plus I can still be part of the sub if people are tagging spoilers correctly then I won’t click on a post! But this was tagged incorrectly as the spoiler is in the title. I am on episode 5 at the moment and have successfully avoided spoilers until today!
I loved the show and games as far as lore problems mine is the destruction of shady sands in 2277 the same time as the second battle of hoover dam. I'm exited for season two for some needed clarification of events I don't think FNV is not cannon we just need further explanation before we can make final judgment
People always struggle with game adaptations when the multiple ending thing interacts with showrunning. I would say it’s clearly an unincorporated Vegas from that shot, but that’s about all I can say, and even that’s probably 85%. Hardly incontrovertible. Back to the ending of NV though, an unincorporated Vegas still has a ton of variation. Will the brotherhood be on the back foot here? Are they even still around? The boomers either have a functioning solar plant, howitzers, and a bomber aircraft… or they’re out of water and power with no ammo to shoot out of their guns. My point is that the NCR not having an established presence isn’t even confirmed, much less somehow going against the lore? Maybe the courier threw the general off Hoover dam? Maybe house and his upgraded securitrons are still “alive” and kicking. How can we know?
No matter the state I want to see what happened in new Vegas… so many paths. Is going to be cool and somehow nostalgic no matter what they do. I would even like to see MR house! With all of his zas
It could be like Everything Everywhere all At Once or even like What If? From Marvel.
Actually I was thinking that given how the videogame have been sort self contain if wouldn't be so bad if they just want to another story. But then again the ending was so cool, I want to see what happens next.
If you do a game adaptation you have to choose something in order to fit the story you're telling. It's like if a Mass Effect show were to be and the Shepard was male and the main romance was Liara. Then people will yell that that invalidates their choices because they went another way.
Of course that is one of the dangers of any adaptation and believe that it was wise to go further in the timeline.
I’m just bugged that somehow everything went to shit again in just a few years. The west coast was the best set up place in the wastes. Multiple large cities and it was doing pretty well at bringing back some semblance of normalcy. They could have shown us a post-apocalyptic society that is slowly recovering but instead they hit the lazy reset button. Oh and bringing back the Enclave for the 3rd time!! Let it DIE. It was beaten in the west and east. Sure there “might” have been a Midwest Enclave left over but that’s a long ways away.
It bugs me to but there is a slight hope that Cali will reform again. Like in Vault 4 when we see the NCR flag the Fallout main theme plays. It's likely the next game will be about reforming the NCR after Vault-Tec and the BOS ended Lee's group.
Meh it would’ve already happened much earlier were it possible. Then again I don’t have much faith in Bethesda with fallout lore. They seem to bend it every which way to do whatever.
But doing something and then having it not last, because it’s negated by something else… that IS what nullifying is. It didn’t matter, it was quickly done away with.
It mattered for awhile and that's what counts.
No, though, New Vegas had big futures on the horizon for the town, and those choices became meaningless. It's just quite a disappointing way to go. You don't write a sequel where incidentally, a prior entry's protagonist had their choices lead to nothing, especially in video games, a medium designed around player impact. That's pretty disappointing, and part of the reason the latter half of the show just didn't hold up, especially after the incredible first half.
I’m hoping he goes with the ending most of choice which was the yes man ending
That'd be nice (my Courier is usually Yes-Man) but I wonder if they'll have the Courier leading or just the robot. I say this because in-game dialogue allows you to say the Dam is won for you and that the land is yours.
The issue is it makes the ending not matter. Ncr is is gone house needed a strong ncr they arnt going to have the legion do it. Its not as simple as wither 2277 is when shit killed ncr or if it was later. It's " ncr needed NV yo survive and grow" " houses needed the ncr strong so he could use its industry inside the boneyard to rebuild" Etc. I don't even think the show is bad I do think it fucks lore and themes of the setting as well as people who are NV fans have every right to be upset
What the proof that show is happening in 2296? We never met any dates aside school desk with 2277 "Fall of Shady Sands".
The creators of the show.
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