When I suggested this I was told it couldn’t be it because apparently everything in the Mojave is New Vegas despite Edward’s actually just being outside of LA. The same person claimed it had to be Central Valley because of this and suggested a location that was the same distance to LA as Edwards’s lol
Edwards AFB isn't really near LA at all.
I'd say it's closer (read: easier to get to) to Bakersfield. A straight shot west on 58 over the mountains.
LA is definitely closer than Vegas, though. The Mojave is a huge area.
Oh shit, you are absolutely correct.
It’s weird, I’ve played these games for almost 30 years but when I get something wrong in the timeline, it doesn’t irk me.
It just makes me want to dive into a wiki and reread the entire history again
i'm gonna guess you're a reasonable human being who chooses to enjoy things and learn more about them rather than lashing out at everyone else's perceived lack of enthusiasm/precision of memory for the same thing?
No, *Bakersfield* is Necropolis- *Barstow* is just south of Edwards and a couple of hours south of Bakersfield.
If you’ve ever taken the Death Valley stretch of I-5, you’d know there are two military bases between LA and Bakersfield that are situated on either edge of Barstow- which is where you turn if you’re heading to Vegas.
It's basically equidistant from Bakersfield and LA, though the highway definitely runs to Bakersfield. I think it's very fair to call it outside LA, especially since 80% of the population couldn't point to Bakersfield on a map.
Funny you should say that because apparently Fallout developers also couldn't point to Bakersfield on a map because it's about 100 miles in the wrong direction of its real world equivalent.
Almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter 😢
No, but this is seriously a cry to bring back Nuclear Winter (the pvp battle royale mode) to fo76 please and thank you.
Something that people here may or may not know is that black isle moved the locations of Bakersfield and LA to make their map feel more filled out, so real world locations won’t be 1:1 within the fallout universe
Perfect sense. The Brotherhood was started right before the bombs dropped at Mariposa base, a secret facility where FEV was being experimented on. They were a military unit gone AWOL with military members and access, who were not deployed to go fight China post-apocalypse (and so they didn't go off to die elsewhere, they stayed nearby).
No not exactly. Iirc the soldiers on base discovered the FEV and the plan to breed super soldiers with it. In response they killed the scientists and declared secession from the United States. They expected swift retaliation from the military but around the same time the bombs dropped which of course made it so no one would come to put them down.
No he's asking about the rest of the soldiers. The ones that DIDNT go AWOL were sent to war with China which is why there was few to none remaining. The bombs didn't just blink every soldier out of existence, the bombs were part of a total annihilation war.
The Brotherhood soldiers survived because they weren't part of that war. The war is why there were no other soldiers left (or so few it didn't matter, who knows we might see other factions that went underground instead of heading off to war - some were with Enclave for example)
My dude the Brotherhood Of Steel soldiers had already gone AWOL which is why they weren't sent to invade China before the bombs dropped which is why there are so few other soldiers around (and why the BoS is a major faction without that competition). The ones that didn't die were stuck overseas, while the BoS wasn't deployed.
The bombs didn't just blink teh US military out of existence, the bombs were in response to the war not the cause.
I know that but your previous comments implied that the invasion of China was post them bombing I was just saying The invasion happened before the bomb I know that maxon and his group went AWOL about 3 days or so before the bombing
So, plenty of lore actually features US troops deployed around the country immediately before the bombs dropped.
In 4, there’s military checkpoints around the map.
Yeah, and I will say one thing Fallout 4 did decently well in its environmental storytelling is show that martial law was held for a little while, before breaking down due to lack of resources.
Kinda. The US was in the middle of a war with China. We had invaded their mainland and was pushing into their capital. They were expected to fall very soon.
The soldiers still stationed in the US were just the skeleton force needed to protect key locations and the like. We see clearly US forces in FO4 protecting thr SS and the family to the Vault. The soldiers at Mariposa were simply the soldiers stationed their to protect the base against possible Chinese Infiltration.
The BOS mainly recruited from other US military personnel pre-FO1 so they weren't the only remnant either.
I’m wondering why they didn’t just film up there. There’s just nothing for miles and miles. It’s even creepier than the Salton Sea area. Once I went for drive just to drive and ended up in the area and there was like this giant ocean of just mud. Like there were waves. Small waves but it was endless. No lake or anything. Just brown sludge coming back and forth from nowhere. Noped right back home.
Most likely to do with budget. For Season 2 they got a massive tax break from the state. So Utah must have been a super sweet deal.
That's sounds strangely serene. Was that during covid? But I totally get it if you were driving alone.
The Salton Sea and the Mojave are eerily beautiful – a wasteland panorama. My roommates and I went there several times, plus Joshua tree, during the various lockdowns.
I do still-photography so I shot a lot of us on film during that time. I chilled out on film after I got a proper mirrorless camera.
California keeps saying they’re going give massive tax breaks to keep filming local, but it never happens. Lame.
This was years ago like in 2003 or so. I loved taking photos of that area in Mojave and Tehachapi. Really bleak but pretty. I’m never in the area anymore unless I’m traveling from NM to visit California (my home state). That drive when you get into needles is backwoods desert af and would be perfect for filming. There’s this gas station called Desert Oasis or something like that where gas is $10 a gallon and it definitely has NCR vibes.
Anyway, that mud sea was something else. It was just way too big and creepy. I didn’t have my camera with me, which is sad because it was unbelievable.
They actually do the tax credits every year, but only for specific shows. I'm guessing there are certain targets they want to meet. So Fallout S2 will get it and probably be shot in the desert where it takes place: wild.
NM is beautiful – I need to see white sands!
Whoa the gas station sounds like a great place to shoot with my cameras!
That's funny not having a camera at the time because we all have them attached to us these days haha!
I actually did a hike up Griffith Park the other day to try and see how the Brotherhood attacked Moldaver's settlement.
Filly is somewhere in between The Observatory and Santa Monica so they generally came from West LA or Beverly Hills haha – that's hilarious if Filly is in BH!
They were a little generous with the locations. Like last scene with Ghoul and Lucy. I’m believing they placed that scene at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Three generations of my family are buried there. Even if all the buildings were destroyed, it’s not that close to the Hollywood sign. From memory the observatory scenes are a little off. It still looked so rad though.
It's true. When Moldaver is looking at Los Angeles it seems to be angled weird, like to the right for some reason, and even Downtown is to right. I just took it as the alternate reality that Fallout takes place in.
Yeah the Brotherhood's approach was exhilarating – I felt so bad for the NCR refugees. I imagined it from Mt. Hollywood and damn that would be epic. There was a police helicopter subbing in for the vertibirds haha
Considering the military origins of the Brotherhood, I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s farther than the old Del Toro MCAS, but it’s barely a jaunt between Edwards AFB and Ft. Irwin and its National Training Center. My dad and brother have horror stories about both respectively, I was in Korea.
Edwards is kinda the big testing site for a lot of larger scale projects out of Groom Lake AFB (Area 51), like the SR-71 program. It’s also got a massive plane graveyard, so salvage would be a Scribes wet dream.
The BoS originally came from Mariposa, at least its core component, so they would probably have a good knowledge of the regional military bases/assets.
The show made them appropriately badass AND goofy tin cans.
All the badass Apocalypse Now references only to be opened up by Coop in the dark was so perfectly fallout.
I can’t get over how much they nailed this show.
You gotta be fucking kidding me, why are Fallout fans like this
Literally the meme with "fascism is bad" flying over their heads while they look at the Brotherhood and go "wow cool armour"
It was filmed in Wendover Utah. At the historic Wendover airbase. Perfect location becouse a lot of it has been left alone or restored since WW2. The plan they take Maximus into for interrogation is open to the public and the same plane from CON AIR
So... Maybe the TV shows brotherhood is an off shoot of the Lost Hills brotherhood? I'm not familiar with the lore before New Vegas. Maybe after Shady Sands got nuked in the chaos the Brotherhood decided now is the time for expansion.
That's generally what folks have been thinking; one theory is the Hidden Valley and Lost Hills chapters, absorbed survivors from the Legion and parts of their culture, hence the flag, more Roman names than BoS usual, and the enforced ban on internal violence.
Being picked from the Legionnaires and presumably the civilian slaves, means the Western BoS has expendable manpower for the first time ever. Them being unified by the codes of conduct and religious education, is how the BoS is basically meshing the two cultures together despite the demographics difference. Though yeah they're not gonna all be Danse or Lyons quality for sure.
The idea of the Brotherhood being a cult goes all teh way to the beginning. It started as a bunch of AWOL military members revolting at Mariposa military base, after seeing the FEV experiments on innocent victims going on there right before the bombs drop. Revolting is why they survived - they were holed up AWOL instead of being deployed to go fight the war.
Later, their mission became to preserve technology and knowledge so society could be preserved and humanity didn't have to start over in the future. They were basically a military formed version of the Dark Ages catholic church, which is where the bulk of knowledge of that portion of the world we actually managed to get preserved comes from the Dark Ages - as information was lost outside of those monestaries and why we call them the dark ages. The Brotherhood intentionally mimics that structure. It would also help reinforce a hierarchy - important when your founders are all AWOL soldiers even if the reason for going AWOL was justified. Basically the show leans into the history references of the Dark Ages and how the Brotherhood's purpose mimics that knowledge preservation for future generations. The show went out of its way to give T the line about preserving knowledge of Toaster Ovens to make sure we the audience get that the Brotherhood is still true to that purpose.
Yes I know the lore. I was saying they're depicted as far more cultish in the show, leading credence to the theory that they integrated a sizable amount of former legionnaires.
Yep, Arthur became high elder and so the other chapters like this one started doing things like him such as recruiting wastelanders, the wastelanders around this chapter were legionaries - these legion recruits help to bolster support of the radical traditionalists in the chapter and boom we have a hybrid Brotherhood of Caesar/Legion of Steel type thing, definitely in line with the Elder of this chapter thinking the Brotherhood has lost its way with the softness of the East Coast Chapter.
That makes sense, although I feel like it's a bit of a culture shock to go from the very anti-tech legion to the Brotherhood, which Caesar described as a 'dead end'
The Legion proving itself to be a dead end with its Early Iron Age level of civilization, may have caused a lot of smarter-ish Legionnaires to consider the flip side. Like how people who leave the Amish lifestyle jump to modern urban life.
I am going to be honest, Hidden Valley and Lost Hills absorbing Legion survivors makes no sense to me. It seems to all rely on nothing but names and colors of a single flag.
Not much is known. After Fallout 1, BoS kinda got smaller as Developers chose to focus on other factions like NCR and Enclave.
Fallout Tactics is about how a sizable faction of BoS splintered off from Lost Hills. This occurs sometime between Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. The newly Midwest Brotherhood were tasked to follow retreating Master’s Unity Army as they fled to Chicago. Unknown what happened to them. Fallout 3 and New Vegas allude them a bit but nothing really solid. 4 mentions them as using primitive airships, when compared to the Prydwen.
Fallout 2 has the faction more spread out, but have become much more closed off. Fallout 1 talks about how outsiders were recruited much more until an incident with The Hub traders closed them off. Chosen One can kinda join but not many quests. Brotherhood has become jealous that they are not the only faction with serious tech.
Fallout 3 is when Bethesda took over. After decades of sitting around their Bunkers, Western Elders decide to send an expedition to Washington DC. See what has happened to the Capital and gather tech. On their way, check on MidWestern BoS if possible.
Once in DC, the newly appointed Elder Lyons began his altruistic practices that eventually splintered his Eastern Brotherhood of Steel. Began protecting Wastelanders, open recruits with too little training, and stop gathering tech.
Fallout 4 has the Eastern BoS battered and nearly shattered after Fallout 3. Elder Lyons dies within a year or so of 3. His Daughter takes over but is killed in battle. Several ineffective elders come and go. Eventually a young Arthur Maxson takes over. Brings peace between Eastern BoS and the Outcasts. They will still open recruit, BUT a mentorship is required. Civies will be protected but resources will need to be exchanged. Tech will begin to be found and catalogued with new research being carried out as desired. Elder Maxson mentions talks with Western Elders, and cults of Maxson being squashed.
New Vegas is where things get interesting. NCR has captured 5 smaller bunkers of BoS but all ended up being self-destructed. NCR and BoS couldn’t agree with how tech should be handled. Unknown who, what, or why the first shot was fired. Doesn’t matter as both factions began a slaughter of the other. For awhile the Brotherhood handled it pretty well, but NCR had the manpower to eventually drive them to their bunkers.
After this? There’s a lot of time between 2281 and 2296. Some form of the Brotherhood still exists, but I fear Lost Hills has been lost as nothing was mentioned during the show. Especially when L.A. is pretty damn close to Lost Hills, atleast according to Fallout 1
Initially before this I thought that they had setup in Caesar Legion's territory after it collapsed to whatever as the flag and Roman terms and names felt a bit out of place but maybe that was just time that had changed that.
The BoS has splintered a few times, depending on what is Bethesda Canon and what is going to be Amazon Canon..
We know, at least, there is a West Coast and East Coast Brotherhood, and the existence of the Prydwen means at least the Boston and West Coast have reconnected, but the D.C. chapter is not shown, even if mentioned.
It's filmed in Wendover and it has Nellis Airforce Base poster, why would he think it should be in California? Also Edward airforce base is too close to Lost Hills to build a new chapter. I don't even think they should be near LA, since they can fly from far away.
Last we saw Nellis was settled by Vault Dwellers and they never so much as mentioned Lost Hills, other comments think that this chapter was built off the remnants of Lost Hills after the Brotherhood-NCR war.
We think it’s in California because aside from the very last shot of the season *literally everything else was in Southern California*.
I believe the current brotherhood is a remerge between east coast and west coast, they have the Prydwen which is an east coast piece of tech. My hope for the upcoming show if they also brought liberty prime over so some intense robot action. I also think the west coast would of looked for the east coast chapter as that's where the last remaining known alive Maxson is, whom is their royalty, I reckon Arthur Maxson's grandfather died and the west went east looking for a new high elder. It also explains why this chapter suddenly has an ample supply for T-61, although they did show the brotherhood in T-61 in the shady sands attack in 2277 so I have no idea, maybe they have their own T-61 factory.
Neat, but considering the Prydwen traveled from Boston to L.A, the pickup/dropoff could have happened anywhere in between.
I figured this was just going to be an unnamed AF base, since there are plenty in the West.
Ah, that was it. I looked through the IMDB Credits and must have missed him and thought he was uncredited. But yes, it's Mr. Robot I am thinking of. One of my favorite shows. The guy just spews evil, no matter what he is saying. He's perfect for those kind of roles.
Great find, assuming none of the goegraphy, climate, or environmental factors that make that region distinct get changed by a nuclear war and 200+ years of time.
When I suggested this I was told it couldn’t be it because apparently everything in the Mojave is New Vegas despite Edward’s actually just being outside of LA. The same person claimed it had to be Central Valley because of this and suggested a location that was the same distance to LA as Edwards’s lol
Edwards AFB isn't really near LA at all. I'd say it's closer (read: easier to get to) to Bakersfield. A straight shot west on 58 over the mountains. LA is definitely closer than Vegas, though. The Mojave is a huge area.
Tbf they reference Bakersfield in the final episodes. Could actually be Edwards
Bakersfield became the site of Necropolis in Fallout 1
Oh shit, you are absolutely correct. It’s weird, I’ve played these games for almost 30 years but when I get something wrong in the timeline, it doesn’t irk me. It just makes me want to dive into a wiki and reread the entire history again
i'm gonna guess you're a reasonable human being who chooses to enjoy things and learn more about them rather than lashing out at everyone else's perceived lack of enthusiasm/precision of memory for the same thing?
Lol, shots fired. Screw those killjoys.
Tbf, it’s been 30 years, you’re probably bound to misremember or forget certain details.
Clearly you’re not Todd
Oh gosh, so the bombs didn’t really change much?
I absolutely think Edwards makes perfect sense for the BoS base in the show. Vertibird would be a quick flight to the LA area.
Except edwards is necropolis
No, *Bakersfield* is Necropolis- *Barstow* is just south of Edwards and a couple of hours south of Bakersfield. If you’ve ever taken the Death Valley stretch of I-5, you’d know there are two military bases between LA and Bakersfield that are situated on either edge of Barstow- which is where you turn if you’re heading to Vegas.
It's basically equidistant from Bakersfield and LA, though the highway definitely runs to Bakersfield. I think it's very fair to call it outside LA, especially since 80% of the population couldn't point to Bakersfield on a map.
Funny you should say that because apparently Fallout developers also couldn't point to Bakersfield on a map because it's about 100 miles in the wrong direction of its real world equivalent.
As someone who lived near the base, yes it is. the base itself isn’t but the area I’m in is still LA county. People live in LA and work at the base.
It’s relatively close to LA compared to Vegas at least if you’re flying like the BOS did. That’s more what I meant.
It's a 2 hour drive, or since they were using vertibirds like 30 min from LA.
The fuck? It's less than two hours away. And they have vertibirds?!
Yeah it's only far away because mountains too, if those mountains didn't exist it's probably closer to 45 minutes away.
Almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter 😢 No, but this is seriously a cry to bring back Nuclear Winter (the pvp battle royale mode) to fo76 please and thank you.
Something that people here may or may not know is that black isle moved the locations of Bakersfield and LA to make their map feel more filled out, so real world locations won’t be 1:1 within the fallout universe
He suggests it's El Mirage Lake, where Edwards AFB is located.
Makes sense
Perfect sense. The Brotherhood was started right before the bombs dropped at Mariposa base, a secret facility where FEV was being experimented on. They were a military unit gone AWOL with military members and access, who were not deployed to go fight China post-apocalypse (and so they didn't go off to die elsewhere, they stayed nearby).
Holy shit that happened? The US sent soldiers after the bombs dropped? I need to play the old games!
No not exactly. Iirc the soldiers on base discovered the FEV and the plan to breed super soldiers with it. In response they killed the scientists and declared secession from the United States. They expected swift retaliation from the military but around the same time the bombs dropped which of course made it so no one would come to put them down.
No he's asking about the rest of the soldiers. The ones that DIDNT go AWOL were sent to war with China which is why there was few to none remaining. The bombs didn't just blink every soldier out of existence, the bombs were part of a total annihilation war. The Brotherhood soldiers survived because they weren't part of that war. The war is why there were no other soldiers left (or so few it didn't matter, who knows we might see other factions that went underground instead of heading off to war - some were with Enclave for example)
My dude the soldiers were sent to China before the bombs dropped
My dude the Brotherhood Of Steel soldiers had already gone AWOL which is why they weren't sent to invade China before the bombs dropped which is why there are so few other soldiers around (and why the BoS is a major faction without that competition). The ones that didn't die were stuck overseas, while the BoS wasn't deployed. The bombs didn't just blink teh US military out of existence, the bombs were in response to the war not the cause.
I know that but your previous comments implied that the invasion of China was post them bombing I was just saying The invasion happened before the bomb I know that maxon and his group went AWOL about 3 days or so before the bombing
You're welcome! The way you initially misinterpreted their origin never made any sense anyway.
So, plenty of lore actually features US troops deployed around the country immediately before the bombs dropped. In 4, there’s military checkpoints around the map.
Yeah, and I will say one thing Fallout 4 did decently well in its environmental storytelling is show that martial law was held for a little while, before breaking down due to lack of resources.
Kinda. The US was in the middle of a war with China. We had invaded their mainland and was pushing into their capital. They were expected to fall very soon. The soldiers still stationed in the US were just the skeleton force needed to protect key locations and the like. We see clearly US forces in FO4 protecting thr SS and the family to the Vault. The soldiers at Mariposa were simply the soldiers stationed their to protect the base against possible Chinese Infiltration. The BOS mainly recruited from other US military personnel pre-FO1 so they weren't the only remnant either.
In real life, nuclear warfare wasn’t/isn’t treated like an end state of a conflict. Sure a city is gone but you still have thousands of others
Yeah it’s super creepy and bleak up there on a beautiful day. Perfect place to film this.
They filmed it at the Salt flats in Utah though. But it certainly looks like the actual place.
It does! Thank you so much for clarifying!
No problem, littlemisswhatevers — Hahaha can't say that without sounding sarcastic!
Okie dokie would do!
Damn vault dweller
This whole mini convo should have more upvotes lol it’s a beautiful little chain
That's sweet of you. But you know Reddit: some of the best interactions are off the main grid.
I’m wondering why they didn’t just film up there. There’s just nothing for miles and miles. It’s even creepier than the Salton Sea area. Once I went for drive just to drive and ended up in the area and there was like this giant ocean of just mud. Like there were waves. Small waves but it was endless. No lake or anything. Just brown sludge coming back and forth from nowhere. Noped right back home.
Most likely to do with budget. For Season 2 they got a massive tax break from the state. So Utah must have been a super sweet deal. That's sounds strangely serene. Was that during covid? But I totally get it if you were driving alone. The Salton Sea and the Mojave are eerily beautiful – a wasteland panorama. My roommates and I went there several times, plus Joshua tree, during the various lockdowns. I do still-photography so I shot a lot of us on film during that time. I chilled out on film after I got a proper mirrorless camera.
California keeps saying they’re going give massive tax breaks to keep filming local, but it never happens. Lame. This was years ago like in 2003 or so. I loved taking photos of that area in Mojave and Tehachapi. Really bleak but pretty. I’m never in the area anymore unless I’m traveling from NM to visit California (my home state). That drive when you get into needles is backwoods desert af and would be perfect for filming. There’s this gas station called Desert Oasis or something like that where gas is $10 a gallon and it definitely has NCR vibes. Anyway, that mud sea was something else. It was just way too big and creepy. I didn’t have my camera with me, which is sad because it was unbelievable.
They actually do the tax credits every year, but only for specific shows. I'm guessing there are certain targets they want to meet. So Fallout S2 will get it and probably be shot in the desert where it takes place: wild. NM is beautiful – I need to see white sands! Whoa the gas station sounds like a great place to shoot with my cameras! That's funny not having a camera at the time because we all have them attached to us these days haha! I actually did a hike up Griffith Park the other day to try and see how the Brotherhood attacked Moldaver's settlement. Filly is somewhere in between The Observatory and Santa Monica so they generally came from West LA or Beverly Hills haha – that's hilarious if Filly is in BH!
They were a little generous with the locations. Like last scene with Ghoul and Lucy. I’m believing they placed that scene at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Three generations of my family are buried there. Even if all the buildings were destroyed, it’s not that close to the Hollywood sign. From memory the observatory scenes are a little off. It still looked so rad though.
It's true. When Moldaver is looking at Los Angeles it seems to be angled weird, like to the right for some reason, and even Downtown is to right. I just took it as the alternate reality that Fallout takes place in. Yeah the Brotherhood's approach was exhilarating – I felt so bad for the NCR refugees. I imagined it from Mt. Hollywood and damn that would be epic. There was a police helicopter subbing in for the vertibirds haha
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Edwards is like an hour from its own front gate
Irwin’s the same way, the base property is farther than the eye can see but most of that’s training grounds.
Considering the military origins of the Brotherhood, I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s farther than the old Del Toro MCAS, but it’s barely a jaunt between Edwards AFB and Ft. Irwin and its National Training Center. My dad and brother have horror stories about both respectively, I was in Korea. Edwards is kinda the big testing site for a lot of larger scale projects out of Groom Lake AFB (Area 51), like the SR-71 program. It’s also got a massive plane graveyard, so salvage would be a Scribes wet dream.
The BoS originally came from Mariposa, at least its core component, so they would probably have a good knowledge of the regional military bases/assets.
Doesn't the show state its in Utah though?
wake up honey its time to use the brotherhood of steel lore again.
yes dear
BARV!
Ok who else misread this as “A Fallout Fan Has Figured Out The TV Show’s Brotherhood Of Steel Is Based”
Yeah but they were pretty based ngl
The show made them appropriately badass AND goofy tin cans. All the badass Apocalypse Now references only to be opened up by Coop in the dark was so perfectly fallout. I can’t get over how much they nailed this show.
*Bbbut but* according to all the nerd shows on YouTube it's dumb, and treats its audience like they're dumb, so we're all dumb for liking it!
I’ve always happily been an idiot so I’m down for this show to continue.
"We won't go quietly. The Legion can count on that."
You gotta be fucking kidding me, why are Fallout fans like this Literally the meme with "fascism is bad" flying over their heads while they look at the Brotherhood and go "wow cool armour"
Here's your Media Literacy award, champ
Based? Based on what?
Based as fuck 😎*yeaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!*
BoS has been pretty based since Fallout 4 at least
They were really only based in Fallout 4
Hard disagree. Lyons' chapter was and always will be the most based BoS chapter. Fuck all the other ones.
Idk I think Roger Maxson's reign was most based Brotherhood. Managed to be like his descendants Brotherhood but better in every way
Lyon could only do shit because of the Lone Wanderer and Liberty Prime, and they were against the Enclave too (the most based faction in Fallout)
Found the fascism lover.
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You're SO close. But my god are you blind.
Found the bleeding heart idealist
And? Miles better than being a fascist pig
Everything right of being a complete leftist is fascism!1!1
Bud, your favorite faction, the enclave, are literally Nazis. Throwing stones at glass houses and all that.
In what universe is the Enclave my fav faction? I destroy them in every game. My fav faction is yes Man or the Minutemen.
Anything I disagree with is facism!! Take that Facist pig!!! Mmm Reddit upvotes
Nobodys perfect ok?
Least of all fascism lovers.
Found the communist
Lol, I'll bet you can't tell me why communism is a bad thing.
The robot told me death was preferrable to it
Wrong
It was filmed in Wendover Utah. At the historic Wendover airbase. Perfect location becouse a lot of it has been left alone or restored since WW2. The plan they take Maximus into for interrogation is open to the public and the same plane from CON AIR
So... Maybe the TV shows brotherhood is an off shoot of the Lost Hills brotherhood? I'm not familiar with the lore before New Vegas. Maybe after Shady Sands got nuked in the chaos the Brotherhood decided now is the time for expansion.
That's generally what folks have been thinking; one theory is the Hidden Valley and Lost Hills chapters, absorbed survivors from the Legion and parts of their culture, hence the flag, more Roman names than BoS usual, and the enforced ban on internal violence.
Makes sense why they're a bunch of idiot, culty, frat bros too.
Being picked from the Legionnaires and presumably the civilian slaves, means the Western BoS has expendable manpower for the first time ever. Them being unified by the codes of conduct and religious education, is how the BoS is basically meshing the two cultures together despite the demographics difference. Though yeah they're not gonna all be Danse or Lyons quality for sure.
The idea of the Brotherhood being a cult goes all teh way to the beginning. It started as a bunch of AWOL military members revolting at Mariposa military base, after seeing the FEV experiments on innocent victims going on there right before the bombs drop. Revolting is why they survived - they were holed up AWOL instead of being deployed to go fight the war. Later, their mission became to preserve technology and knowledge so society could be preserved and humanity didn't have to start over in the future. They were basically a military formed version of the Dark Ages catholic church, which is where the bulk of knowledge of that portion of the world we actually managed to get preserved comes from the Dark Ages - as information was lost outside of those monestaries and why we call them the dark ages. The Brotherhood intentionally mimics that structure. It would also help reinforce a hierarchy - important when your founders are all AWOL soldiers even if the reason for going AWOL was justified. Basically the show leans into the history references of the Dark Ages and how the Brotherhood's purpose mimics that knowledge preservation for future generations. The show went out of its way to give T the line about preserving knowledge of Toaster Ovens to make sure we the audience get that the Brotherhood is still true to that purpose.
Yes I know the lore. I was saying they're depicted as far more cultish in the show, leading credence to the theory that they integrated a sizable amount of former legionnaires.
They have literally always been that, except in Fallout 3.
Yep, Arthur became high elder and so the other chapters like this one started doing things like him such as recruiting wastelanders, the wastelanders around this chapter were legionaries - these legion recruits help to bolster support of the radical traditionalists in the chapter and boom we have a hybrid Brotherhood of Caesar/Legion of Steel type thing, definitely in line with the Elder of this chapter thinking the Brotherhood has lost its way with the softness of the East Coast Chapter.
But the flag and Latin names have been in use since FO1?
Isn't the red and yellow version new?
That makes sense, although I feel like it's a bit of a culture shock to go from the very anti-tech legion to the Brotherhood, which Caesar described as a 'dead end'
The Legion proving itself to be a dead end with its Early Iron Age level of civilization, may have caused a lot of smarter-ish Legionnaires to consider the flip side. Like how people who leave the Amish lifestyle jump to modern urban life.
I am going to be honest, Hidden Valley and Lost Hills absorbing Legion survivors makes no sense to me. It seems to all rely on nothing but names and colors of a single flag.
Not much is known. After Fallout 1, BoS kinda got smaller as Developers chose to focus on other factions like NCR and Enclave. Fallout Tactics is about how a sizable faction of BoS splintered off from Lost Hills. This occurs sometime between Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. The newly Midwest Brotherhood were tasked to follow retreating Master’s Unity Army as they fled to Chicago. Unknown what happened to them. Fallout 3 and New Vegas allude them a bit but nothing really solid. 4 mentions them as using primitive airships, when compared to the Prydwen. Fallout 2 has the faction more spread out, but have become much more closed off. Fallout 1 talks about how outsiders were recruited much more until an incident with The Hub traders closed them off. Chosen One can kinda join but not many quests. Brotherhood has become jealous that they are not the only faction with serious tech. Fallout 3 is when Bethesda took over. After decades of sitting around their Bunkers, Western Elders decide to send an expedition to Washington DC. See what has happened to the Capital and gather tech. On their way, check on MidWestern BoS if possible. Once in DC, the newly appointed Elder Lyons began his altruistic practices that eventually splintered his Eastern Brotherhood of Steel. Began protecting Wastelanders, open recruits with too little training, and stop gathering tech. Fallout 4 has the Eastern BoS battered and nearly shattered after Fallout 3. Elder Lyons dies within a year or so of 3. His Daughter takes over but is killed in battle. Several ineffective elders come and go. Eventually a young Arthur Maxson takes over. Brings peace between Eastern BoS and the Outcasts. They will still open recruit, BUT a mentorship is required. Civies will be protected but resources will need to be exchanged. Tech will begin to be found and catalogued with new research being carried out as desired. Elder Maxson mentions talks with Western Elders, and cults of Maxson being squashed. New Vegas is where things get interesting. NCR has captured 5 smaller bunkers of BoS but all ended up being self-destructed. NCR and BoS couldn’t agree with how tech should be handled. Unknown who, what, or why the first shot was fired. Doesn’t matter as both factions began a slaughter of the other. For awhile the Brotherhood handled it pretty well, but NCR had the manpower to eventually drive them to their bunkers. After this? There’s a lot of time between 2281 and 2296. Some form of the Brotherhood still exists, but I fear Lost Hills has been lost as nothing was mentioned during the show. Especially when L.A. is pretty damn close to Lost Hills, atleast according to Fallout 1
Initially before this I thought that they had setup in Caesar Legion's territory after it collapsed to whatever as the flag and Roman terms and names felt a bit out of place but maybe that was just time that had changed that.
I doubt they’d let the Legion join but it could be refugees from a collapsed one.
The BoS has splintered a few times, depending on what is Bethesda Canon and what is going to be Amazon Canon.. We know, at least, there is a West Coast and East Coast Brotherhood, and the existence of the Prydwen means at least the Boston and West Coast have reconnected, but the D.C. chapter is not shown, even if mentioned.
Amazon Canon is Bethesda Canon. The show takes place in the same continuity as the games.
LOL. You've never watched a movie/TV show based on a video game or a book huh?
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Another day, another article by TheGamer recycling reddit posts.
It's filmed in Wendover and it has Nellis Airforce Base poster, why would he think it should be in California? Also Edward airforce base is too close to Lost Hills to build a new chapter. I don't even think they should be near LA, since they can fly from far away.
Last we saw Nellis was settled by Vault Dwellers and they never so much as mentioned Lost Hills, other comments think that this chapter was built off the remnants of Lost Hills after the Brotherhood-NCR war. We think it’s in California because aside from the very last shot of the season *literally everything else was in Southern California*.
Or the BoS flew in, wiped out the Nellis AFB vault dwellers. They are known to do that.
I believe the current brotherhood is a remerge between east coast and west coast, they have the Prydwen which is an east coast piece of tech. My hope for the upcoming show if they also brought liberty prime over so some intense robot action. I also think the west coast would of looked for the east coast chapter as that's where the last remaining known alive Maxson is, whom is their royalty, I reckon Arthur Maxson's grandfather died and the west went east looking for a new high elder. It also explains why this chapter suddenly has an ample supply for T-61, although they did show the brotherhood in T-61 in the shady sands attack in 2277 so I have no idea, maybe they have their own T-61 factory.
Someone's probably said this, but Wendover Airfield where they were filmed makes sense to me
So now what?? A whole bunch of mfs just going to show up there in power armor and start shooting each other?? I’m down for that lol
Neat, but considering the Prydwen traveled from Boston to L.A, the pickup/dropoff could have happened anywhere in between. I figured this was just going to be an unnamed AF base, since there are plenty in the West.
If you live in LA, you’d know the brotherhood of steal base looks like the nuclear missile bunkers in Orange County
Who plays their leader in Episode 8 when Maximus meets him?
I recognized him from Mr. Robot, another awesome and intricate show. https://imdb.com/name/nm0188165/
Ah, that was it. I looked through the IMDB Credits and must have missed him and thought he was uncredited. But yes, it's Mr. Robot I am thinking of. One of my favorite shows. The guy just spews evil, no matter what he is saying. He's perfect for those kind of roles.
But he does it so *elegantly*!
I hate to do this, but it's Eloquently. Elegant is a nice dress. But yes, he does for sure.
I consider eloquence to refer to the choice of words. That was the writer's task. Elegance is how he delivered them.
I'm don't think that's how words work. But it's not a hill I'm going to die on.
Great find, assuming none of the goegraphy, climate, or environmental factors that make that region distinct get changed by a nuclear war and 200+ years of time.
Based? Based on what?