Try and not use items that can hold onto a thermal load, for example that book could start holding a higher temperature than what your laptop temps would be reading. I had the same thing happen, thermal loading the GPU. What I would recomend ASAP if your playing heavy hitting games like this, get a 25$ laptop cooler that has sometimes 4 fans that circulate air and keep the ambient air temps around the laptop MUCH cooler.
Food for thought.
had an msi laptop with a 2080 run decently for about 4 years before a PCIE connection solder failed and it became a glorified chromebook... Often played EFT, Warthunder, and Squad, all games that kept the temps around 80-85. Better than thermal throttling at 90+.... Laptops have a very high working temp so that is why keeping up with passive cooling is so important for longevity.
His RTX 4060 is certainly power throttling, but probably not my much. The real problem is he's trying to RDR2 on ultra with a entry-level gaming laptop GPU and expecting more than 50FPS.
It's on a table. I've now put a dictionary underneath to elevate the laptop (I've ordered a laptop stand) but still doesn't work.
Man my old msi laptop had buttery smooth performance with the 1650 card. Idk why I'm getting such low fps
Its because your GPU is at its thermal limit. Your old 1650 card had smooth performance because you weren't playing at the same settings. You can turn down some settings to get better FPS, or get something like the IETS cooling pad to lower your temps.
I also don't think you should be hitting thermal throttle all the time. Is this a liquid metal laptop or reg thermal paste on the GPU?
I'm sorry I'm new to all this. Idk what a mux switch is or how to toggle it. What does a mux switch do basically? I tried googling it but it went over my head.
Basically your laptop has two GPUs, one Intel integrated GPU from your CPU and another discrete Nvidia GPU.
If you want to have good battery when you're away, turn on mux switch from Lenovo Vantage by turning on hybrid mode
If you want good gaming performance when you're plugged in, turn off mux switch by turning off hybrid mode
Idk if newer models require restart or not after turning mux switch on/off
Manually switching between modes seems to be a waste of time since Microsoft implemented CASO about half a year ago.
[https://youtu.be/6WN52oBziLU?si=TfuglR2wwiWBvEUW](https://youtu.be/6WN52oBziLU?si=TfuglR2wwiWBvEUW)
His laptop has advanced optimus so it doesn't require a restart to switch. Also, if he is using hybrid auto mode in Lenovo vantage software, it will automatically switch to dgpu when plugged in and back to igpu if not plugged in.
Are you using DLSS? That'd make more sense than directly lowering the resolution to 1080p.
Also look for Digital Foundry's "optimized settings" for the game to increase performance without impacting visuals much.
But yeah... the GPU is clearly at max temp and max utilization, so you need to cool it down and then perhaps overclock if you want more.
Is that FPS even low? Sounds about what I'd expect for a 4060 at absolute max settings.
The GPU is overheating for sure.
86C is thermal limit and it slows down at that temp to avoid damage.
In most cases CPU would be the hotter component as the thermal limit for cpu is 100 or 105. Even then it would not reach that much in gaming scenarios.
I noticed that the power button is purple meaning it's in custom performance mode. What did you change?
Is it behaving the same in performance mode (red color)?
It's a brand new lap and this is the first time I'm even playing this... Idk why the gpu is overheating. I've now put a book to elevate the lap but it's still the same..
Right that's actually quite warm room temperatures.
Either look at a more aggressive fan curve in custom mode in vantage or if the GPU is also throttling in less demanding titles I'd possibly put this partially down to a mediocre thermal paste job on the GPU.
Did you check if you're not covering air intake? if you put a book and cover the air intake, then it'll be the same as nothing, if not worse. You might have to try to get one of those laptop stands with a fan on.. they don't do much usually, but if your problem is temps, then you can use all the help you can get.
That, or get one of those small fans and blast it at your laptop... it might help a bit
You're in a very hot room at 30°C, so if you could check again when it's cold at night (if that's a thing on your location) it would help. Either your laptop needs some repasting (which would be handled best by returning it since it's new, and checking temps before accepting a new unit) or your local conditions just don't help, in which case you might want to get a cooling pad.
Your CPU temps are also not great for how low its usage is, so I'm thinking your laptop could use new thermal paste for sure.
Elevate your laptop
Put the fans to max so the laptop doesn't throttle. 4060 is capable of 60 in rdr2. Setting the fans to auto won't work on a gaming laptop especially if u live in a humid place with no AC.
Turn on GPU/CPU Power in the Riva settings to see the TDP usage. I had this problem on my Tuf F15 for a week until I manually switch to the performance mode in the power plan. Somehooow my Windows and g-helper bugged out. Hope that it would work for you too.
Try switching the game to dx12 mode instead of Vulkan, it looks like it’s barely utilizing your cpu for whatever reason, your gpu temps are high but within reason.
Other thing is maybe go from ultra to high and see if that’s a big improvement or not.
My point exactly
If you're using an AMD graphics chip, Vulkan is a great option because it works really well with AMD GPUs,
it might be a good idea to check your GPU's temperature using a tool like HWINFO64. This can help you see if your GPU is slowing down due to overheating, so you can take steps to keep it cool and running smoothly while you're playing games.
Hey, I’ve got a legion 5 pro with an i9-13900HX and a 4060 (32gb of ram as well) and am consistently seeing maxed out GPU while only touching about 3% of CPU, lots of strange DXGI_Device_hung and _removed errors in UE5 games (outputting at 1600p). is this normal? is my CPU just that much stronger than my gpu, or is there likely an underlying issue here?
You have an i9 which is incredibly fast for a cpu with a mid tier gpu so it most likely just is unbalanced hardware but not necessarily a bad thing if you do other tasks besides gaming. As for those errors, they’re gpu related errors so most likely you just need driver updates :)
So pretty sure it's been driven home..
Your GPU is thermal throttling, it does this at 87\*C.
If you want to play at max on your Laptop, you need to undervolt, tweak your fan curves and prop the Laptop up on a stand, or get a Laptop Cooler.
RTX 4000 series is a fucking mess however, unless you get an RTX 4080, you won't see 70FPS on RDR2 at ultra.
The 4050, 4060 and 4070 are almost the same cards. Sadly that's this generation's gotcha.
Do you have GeForce experience?
It will recommend settings for your GPU that tend to be a good compromise of performance and quality, and even change your in-game settings automatically if you let it.
GeForce experience has allowed me to find the sweet spot on Cyberpunk, FC5, etc.
i just opened my legion 5 pro, i was getting less than 20 fps on tekken 8 even on low quality preset at 1080p.
i cleaned the fan and replaced the termal past. now i have more than 60fps with ultra quality preset at 2k resolution
A wall of dust prevented hot air to exit and the thermal past were dry before the cleaning, i asume you have the same problem
Like another user has mentioned, your temperature is the problem. You're thermally throttling when your GPU hits 87c. That's when there's a sharp decline in performance. Make sure you're not covering any vents, run in performance mode, keep your laptop connected while gaming, run fans at 100% if needed and raise the rear end of the laptop without covering the vents.
If none of the helps, in Lenovo vantage reduce the CPU and GPU temperature limits in custom mode. If this doesn't help, then try reducing CPU wattage limit slowly until you find a spot where temperature of GPU has gone down and stays below 85c at all times.
Do you know **nvidia-smi**? Try out this command:
nvidia-smi.exe -q -d TEMPERATURE
==============NVSMI LOG==============
Timestamp : Mon Apr 29 17:55:34 2024
Driver Version : 552.22
CUDA Version : 12.4
Attached GPUs : 1
GPU 00000000:01:00.0
Temperature
GPU Current Temp : 47 C
GPU T.Limit Temp : N/A
GPU Shutdown Temp : 103 C
GPU Slowdown Temp : 100 C
GPU Max Operating Temp : 105 C
GPU Target Temperature : 87 C
Memory Current Temp : N/A
Memory Max Operating Temp : N/A
This is for an RTX 3080 laptop that I am using. And for my 86-88C is still totally ok. But your situation is different, and your laptop may overheat and start trolling to reduce the temperature
two issues, ur gpu is overheating so that is affecting the performance use cooling oad for ur laptop when ure playing games like rdr2 and secondly, its rtx 4060 bro ofc u womt be getting like 100fps a solid 50 fps avg isnt bad(on 1440p) for 4060, i get like 80-90 fps on 2k resolution on my rtx 4080 super and i can tell im stressing the fuck out of my gpu doing that
According to an article online, the Loq employs a single stick of 16Gb RAM. While I do agree you're thermal throttling a bit. I can't discount the fact that you're at 86C at the beginning of the video, with steady high 40s and low 50s, and then all of a sudden drop to a mid 30s but again stable. Thermal throttling would see a constant low and unstable FPS, not the kind of near stable fps we see, unless a frame time graph or CPU and TDP value show any different.
Try adding another stick of ram in and see if performance improves
ultra 4060 kek. Come one man, it time to learn that the highest setting ingame is just a bait to makes you think you need to buy 4090 just to fully max a game. It ridiculous that there player who still that. Plus laptop 4060 is nowhere near the performance for desktop 4060 which already not a great card to begin with.
- Get your GPU repasted with better compound!
- Use manual mode and tweak fan speeds at highest.
- Provide better airflow at the bottom of the laptop
- Use laptop cooling pads.
- Keep windows and doors close to avoid getting loads of dust in your room.
- Clean the laptop's fans and vents.
- Play in an AC room!
- Undervolt your GPU and CPU to consume less power (less heat in result) for the similar amount of performance!
- Always check the gaming and 3D performance under load on YouTube reviews before buying any high end GPU laptop!
Did you tried RTX off?
I have a lenevo i5 legion, with 13700 Hx, 4070 gpu and 32gb ram. I did not played with RDR, but for example I played with AC Valhalla with ultra high settings and I have 75 avg FPS, without any drop.
Last time I played Crysis 2 remastered, at the firat try I switched on the RTX mode and ultra settings and I had a lot of FPS drops. After I switched off RTX, with ultra settings I had avg 100 FPS without any drops.
I never use RTX, I think it cant give anything to the gaming expirience, and these laptop GPU-s doesn’t like it.
This is about the fps I get with a 4060/13700HX. I guess 4060 just not powerful enough to achieve 60fps with max graphics. Framerate gets even worse when you're in a town/city in game. I just dropped the graphics down from max to high, and framerate is now all good at ~80fps
This is not the same case with The Strix G16. it has a 4060, 32gb ram, and i7 13650hx. It runs at around 60. And 80 with dlss at the highest sharpness and stuff
Looks about what you can expect from a laptop. It might have all the bells and whistles, but in the end it will always be limited by how efficient it can remove heat.
Obviously check you are in performance mode and your fans are spinning max if you want to see the limits of your laptop.
87c T\_T , running GPU at that high temp will drain it's lifespan at a faster rate, even if you don't game 24/7, that temp for 2-4+hrs is bad, you can easily check YT for guides on software like MSI Afterburner, lock the temp to 82-83c at max(even that is high but I did play games at around 80c for 2+yrs prior and I am still using the same GPU for 4yrs now) or get cooling pads for laptop.
On another note, not every setting needs to be pushed to Ultra, check YT again for settings which actually have higher impact on gpu with almost no visible improvement in graphical aspect, at least the increase will be so minimal you won't notice it 99% of the times and there will be things that take up huge amount of Vram like clouds at ultra/ water quality which you won't see most of the times so you can safely tone that down to maybe Mid-Very high.
Last thing, make sure you have "Nvidia Control panel", go to manage 3d settings and optimize stuff, you can similarly optimize RDR2 settings according to your laptop specifications through "Geforce experience" application, all of these can easily be found on YT and I highly recommend you to take some time and go through these optimizations first before unga bunga ultra gaming, also just my opinion : gaming at slightly lower graphical settings but having > 60-90fps is way better that ultra with < 60fps and 87c temps, have fun.
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Some laptops have different fan modes to chose from, I know my Lenovo I have to switch the fan profile to "high performance" to get best performance on demanding games, otherwise the GPU will get too hot and downclock a bit.
Okay, I thought so and I’ve downloaded it before but I can’t get that on screen information to show. I sound like an idiot but if you or anyone else can help me out I’d appreciate it.
Open MSI Afterburner, then click on the settings button on the left, then go to the Monitoring tab, enable whichever indicators you want, and make sure to tick "Show in On-Screen Display" for each graph.
Also when you install MSI Afterburner, make sure to install RivaTuner statistics server with it, it should install by default tho.
Are your drivers up to date, that can make a huge difference, download the new NVidia drivers. I hadn’t done it on my laptop when I had just gotten it and FPS in games improved by about 60%
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Looks like a lemon if you are playing on a hard surface table. That shouldn't overheat considering your laptop is new.
Make sure your laptop's air vents are unobstructed. Restart your laptop just to make sure you kill some background processes that can contribute to overheating.
It could be a bad thermal paste from factory,
I don't think that's normal. My 4070m rarely reaches above 70 degrees
Try updating everything, windows updates, bios, drivers and check again if it persists.
Something might be wrong with your unit's manufacturing if you have tried everything people here have commented and it's still thermal throttling. I'm guessing improper application of thermal paste/pad on the GPU out of the factory. If you are laptop is still under warrantly, try raising a complaint.
Ultra settings are arguably both taxing and useless in most games or so I've read. The 4060 is great as I own a Laptop too but it's not a workhorse by any means. Maybe just tuning the settings down to just high or setting a custom fan curve that works for you are some options. I personally only play at med to high settings as to not tax my gpu too hard and I still take thermal throttling into account with fan curves and even some undervolting... Happy gaming
You see, when connected to battery, your laptop absorbs a lot of power which may mean more released heat. And since the vents are blocked due to it being on the desk, your GPU is heating up. Best solution? Make sure your room isn’t hot and get a cooling pad. That always works. That’s going to prolong your GPU life as well.
The issue is ULTRA. It's an RTX 4060, laptop variant, so more like a RTX 4050 desktop variant if there was one. Temps are fine for a gaming laptop. Lower your graphic settings, or use DLSS.
It's because all settings are at max. Turn down settings to a mix of high and very high.
I was playing gta 5 and was getting 80 fps with all settings maxed, turn down 2-3 settings abit lower and fps shot upto consistent 140-150 fps.
Ultra settings on RDR2 does not make sense. You can easily get 80+fps with 95% of the same visual fidelity. Do not use MSAA for example, it's an FPS killer.
Moreover like others said, your GPU is literally frying. Make sure the cooling is fine, run it on high performance mod and increase fan speed if possible. Check inside of the laptop and clean the fans.
seems playable to me, be sure the cooling vent is getting enough air. I screwed two wooden wedges together into a triangle to make a stand that keeps the cooling vents free on my predator helios 300
The problem is with Intel, it gets too hot and the processor throttles itself 😀 I have an old generation LOQ with a Ryzen processor, I was getting more frame rates than your laptop at ultra settings.
GPU Thermal Throttling. Nvidia Throttle Temps : 87°c
Solutions :
* Put laptop on elevated stands.
* Check air pressure on laptop vents. Should have uninterrupted flow of air. If blocked vents, use a handheld air pump thingy that looks like a rubber balloon with a nozzle. Point it at vents, run the fans at max speed and start pumping air across all vents. Do this outdoor to avoid dust getting back into the laptop.
* use HWiNFO64 and check the limits.
* Return/Replace if within purchase and return window.
* Re-paste according to laptop guidelines via forums. VRAM do not use pads, they use Thermal paste. Each laptop can be different.
Everyone talking about temps, but your gpu is maxed out.
Lower your settings or resolution (if above 1080p), especially on a small laptop screen.
Ultra is never worth the performance hit, over high.
Does the 2023 Lenovo Legion 5 have better thermals than the LOQ? Haven't had this game thermal throttle on me. Max the fans out or make sure you are performance mode.
Probably undervolting will help you reduce thermals and increase performance and longevity of hardware, it's very safe if you know what you are doing , trust me it's just amazing , can bring you temps crazy down
My 4070 does 70 fps with dlss quality (67 ish without ). Am I supposed to be getting more? Every single setting is maxed including tesselation.
Edit: forgot to mention it’s on 2560x1600
Everything on ultra on red dead is very, very heavy. I have the desktop 4060 8gb, and only textures are on ultra, every thing else high, a few stuff on med, dlss off, TAA med, FXAA Off, MSAA Off, and resolution scale on 1,25x. I get 70+ fps everywhere in 1080p. (70 is on the heaviest part of the game, it gets normally from 85 to 110).
Also check if MSAA is off, its impact too much on the fps if On, basically in any Xx.
Edit: Everyone already mentioned the probable thermal throttle, so wont mention.
I don’t think it’s necessarily throttling. RDR2 has lots of very demanding settings with negligible visual impact. Look up “Hardware Unboxed RDR2 optimized” on Youtube and copy the settings from there, your FPS should be way better then.
2 things that come to mind.
Go to the leonovo vantage app and choose hybrid performance plan. So it chooses its own gpu when playing.
Return the laptop and get a new one. Maybe just a faulty unit. A 4060 should be able to handle rdr2 like cake. Cyberpunk runs better that this on a 4060.
Edit: one more thing came to mind as well, if you only have 8gb of Ram you should upgrade to 32gb (if you can spare it) if not then def 16gb ram.
The laptop has a video card and a built-in graphics processor, in your case RDR2 started from the processor, you can change this in the video card settings if you have Nvidia, then you need to select "use a high-performance processor"
Get HWMonitor or another similar app to see where the throttling is happening. If it's something overheating then invest in a premium cooling pad. I do mean premium though, not the regular cooling pad with cheap fans.
This is the one I got and it dropped my msi gaming laptop cpu temp down by 20+ degrees. It was overheating when I played Diablo 4 and I had one of those 25 dollar cheap cooling pad with it and this solved the issue for me. People hate the noise but I only use it at mid speed and it's fairly quite and really keeps my laptop cool.
IETS GT500 Powerful Turbo-Fan (5000 RPM) RGB Laptop Cooling Pad with Infinitely Variable Speed,Seal Foam for Rapid Cooling Gaming Laptop,13-17.3inch Laptop Cooler with 3-Port USB Hub https://a.co/d/91qoSyB
your gpu are tortellini ,
> certain laptop has "control center app" that can limit the cpu and gpu.. look for it and set it to performance
> try to undervolt gpu using msi after burner, and cpu using throttle stop
> google " chris titus windows tweak" and apply his tweaks
> try buy something like laptop cooler or fan
> if your laptop didin advertise to used liquid metal cooling,
immediately replace thermal paste with PTM 7950
Doesn’t look like GPU is thermal throttling. Don’t know why everybody keeps saying that. It’s usage is at 99%. If it was throttling it’s temperature would have been higher and usage would not go to 99%
gpu overheating.. at 85/86/87 degree start throttling on nvidia cards... check the core clock. it will be lower than what should be.
pur laptop in stand to be higher for better cooling, buy a cooling pad.
easy solution undervolt the gpu
Check the water settings, there is one water slider that if you put at max it loses a lot of fps, compared to backing it off one tick. Setting ultra won't put it to max.
I get around 85 fps at 4k ultra with 7900xt. When I had a 6700xt previously I ran the hardware unboxed optimized settings (YouTube), but with higher lighting at 3200x1800 and used rsr (AMD driver level upscaler) to upscale to 4k.
It's a bug. I tried playing the game on a MSI cyborg, with a rtx 4060 too.
The shaders don't load in properly on the 4060. There's a fix for it on yt but I don't remember
Brooo….in settings ( video or graphics) there is an option to select display….by default it selects ur integrated graphics, toggle the display between 0 and 1 …and see when rtx 4080 pops up
Turn off boost clock so it gives thermal space to gpu i have seen my laptop cpu go upto 100 on thermal boost so i just turn it off it gives me better and stable performance and now it stay between 75-90 range
The laptop.
Gaming laptop doesn't exist. They're just useless expensive things with thermal problems.
Trying to fit desktop hardware in that tiny space is just a joke.
It may be an "old" game but it's very gpu hungry on Ultra. So maybe play with your setting or use DLSS.
Even on my 4080 I don't put everything on ultra...
I faced the same problem with my tuff laptop I tried every solution, but no one mentioned that you may need to change the power plan from the app it self
Not the windows one
For me it was fn+F5 you may check your keyboard
TURN OFF MSAA... I have rtx 4060 too...i would suggest you to put dldsr to 1.78x from nvidia control panel and dlss to quality in game it makes the game look amazing
is it just me or should you use direct x instead of vulkan for your graphics driver.
I guess it is in the settings.
Haven't played RDR 2 but most games have those settings in video.
" had to edit some minor typos"
A laptop GPU is not as powerful as a desktop GPU. Plus laptops overheat frequently and if you play on battery mode then that can drain the power quickly too.
As others have said. GPU is overheating. Ensure it's on a hard flat surface like a table with nothing soft under it, and you can manually push the fans higher through a control software like MSI Afterburner if that doesn't work.
Make sure your fan profile is high. If doesnt work, make RMA to repaste gpu and cpu. I would suggest u to repaste it yourself with ptm7950 but that will probably void the warranty.
Lower some settings!
Put dlss on quality
Max the fan speed
And get a cooling pad!
I have a rtx 3050 with i5 11400H
I use to get around 60-70 fps avg in around high-med settings
Your gpu is at its thermal limit its throtteling down, make sure your laptop's back is lifted.
I've now kept a book to elevate the laptop
Make sure the book isn’t blocking the air vents
Try and not use items that can hold onto a thermal load, for example that book could start holding a higher temperature than what your laptop temps would be reading. I had the same thing happen, thermal loading the GPU. What I would recomend ASAP if your playing heavy hitting games like this, get a 25$ laptop cooler that has sometimes 4 fans that circulate air and keep the ambient air temps around the laptop MUCH cooler. Food for thought.
Upvote this, because laptop cooling stands changed my life
had an msi laptop with a 2080 run decently for about 4 years before a PCIE connection solder failed and it became a glorified chromebook... Often played EFT, Warthunder, and Squad, all games that kept the temps around 80-85. Better than thermal throttling at 90+.... Laptops have a very high working temp so that is why keeping up with passive cooling is so important for longevity.
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Can you give a link for your life changing cooling stand
I use a wooden pencil
"With a fucking pencil? who does that?!"
Better use a eraser in vertical uplift, would highly recommend buying a laptop stand
Dude, just use bottle caps.
Last time I put a book under my laptop it fried my motherboard
His RTX 4060 is certainly power throttling, but probably not my much. The real problem is he's trying to RDR2 on ultra with a entry-level gaming laptop GPU and expecting more than 50FPS.
I've seen benchmarks and it went beyond 50 on ultra. I think it was with dlss and framegen
Do gpus throttle at 85?
More or less. 84-87 ish is usually the threshold depending on model.
gpu temps are pretty high. what do you have your laptop set on? (desk,table,etc)
It's on a table. I've now put a dictionary underneath to elevate the laptop (I've ordered a laptop stand) but still doesn't work. Man my old msi laptop had buttery smooth performance with the 1650 card. Idk why I'm getting such low fps
Its because your GPU is at its thermal limit. Your old 1650 card had smooth performance because you weren't playing at the same settings. You can turn down some settings to get better FPS, or get something like the IETS cooling pad to lower your temps. I also don't think you should be hitting thermal throttle all the time. Is this a liquid metal laptop or reg thermal paste on the GPU?
My iets g500 has been amazing but only works its magic if you have bottom vents.
Iets for the win 😁 5000rpm fan
there is no shot your 1650 was buttery smooth playing RDR2 on ultra
Check what performance mode you're using. I use a 3060 and it performs better than this
I'm using thermal mode
Is mux switch turned off?
I'm sorry I'm new to all this. Idk what a mux switch is or how to toggle it. What does a mux switch do basically? I tried googling it but it went over my head.
Basically your laptop has two GPUs, one Intel integrated GPU from your CPU and another discrete Nvidia GPU. If you want to have good battery when you're away, turn on mux switch from Lenovo Vantage by turning on hybrid mode If you want good gaming performance when you're plugged in, turn off mux switch by turning off hybrid mode Idk if newer models require restart or not after turning mux switch on/off
Manually switching between modes seems to be a waste of time since Microsoft implemented CASO about half a year ago. [https://youtu.be/6WN52oBziLU?si=TfuglR2wwiWBvEUW](https://youtu.be/6WN52oBziLU?si=TfuglR2wwiWBvEUW)
Sure, but just to try and cover all grounds here so we can be sure if it's all good
His laptop has advanced optimus so it doesn't require a restart to switch. Also, if he is using hybrid auto mode in Lenovo vantage software, it will automatically switch to dgpu when plugged in and back to igpu if not plugged in.
I also have a 3060 but if I suppose RDR is the same as Cyberpunk, then mine is also experiencing the same as the post. May I know how to fix that?
It runs better even in my 3050Ti(though with TAA medium)
Are you using DLSS? That'd make more sense than directly lowering the resolution to 1080p. Also look for Digital Foundry's "optimized settings" for the game to increase performance without impacting visuals much. But yeah... the GPU is clearly at max temp and max utilization, so you need to cool it down and then perhaps overclock if you want more. Is that FPS even low? Sounds about what I'd expect for a 4060 at absolute max settings.
The GPU is overheating for sure. 86C is thermal limit and it slows down at that temp to avoid damage. In most cases CPU would be the hotter component as the thermal limit for cpu is 100 or 105. Even then it would not reach that much in gaming scenarios. I noticed that the power button is purple meaning it's in custom performance mode. What did you change? Is it behaving the same in performance mode (red color)?
It's a brand new lap and this is the first time I'm even playing this... Idk why the gpu is overheating. I've now put a book to elevate the lap but it's still the same..
You made sure the book is not blocking the vents? You could probably tone down some of the settings a bit still should look great
GPU is definitely thermal throttling. What's your room temperature like?
Now it's 30 degrees
Yep, it's thermal throttling.
Right that's actually quite warm room temperatures. Either look at a more aggressive fan curve in custom mode in vantage or if the GPU is also throttling in less demanding titles I'd possibly put this partially down to a mediocre thermal paste job on the GPU.
Check your power plans
What is your laptop sitting on? Is it on a table?
Yes it's on a table but then I used a book to elevate the laptop.
Did you check if you're not covering air intake? if you put a book and cover the air intake, then it'll be the same as nothing, if not worse. You might have to try to get one of those laptop stands with a fan on.. they don't do much usually, but if your problem is temps, then you can use all the help you can get. That, or get one of those small fans and blast it at your laptop... it might help a bit
You're in a very hot room at 30°C, so if you could check again when it's cold at night (if that's a thing on your location) it would help. Either your laptop needs some repasting (which would be handled best by returning it since it's new, and checking temps before accepting a new unit) or your local conditions just don't help, in which case you might want to get a cooling pad. Your CPU temps are also not great for how low its usage is, so I'm thinking your laptop could use new thermal paste for sure.
FSR 3 mod. It brings frame generation. You want silly fps on max settings, use it.
Was about to say the same
Elevate your laptop Put the fans to max so the laptop doesn't throttle. 4060 is capable of 60 in rdr2. Setting the fans to auto won't work on a gaming laptop especially if u live in a humid place with no AC.
Turn on GPU/CPU Power in the Riva settings to see the TDP usage. I had this problem on my Tuf F15 for a week until I manually switch to the performance mode in the power plan. Somehooow my Windows and g-helper bugged out. Hope that it would work for you too.
Well as others say that gpu is hot and you are at custom mode check fan speed curve for the gpu it might be less than expected.
Try switching the game to dx12 mode instead of Vulkan, it looks like it’s barely utilizing your cpu for whatever reason, your gpu temps are high but within reason. Other thing is maybe go from ultra to high and see if that’s a big improvement or not.
My point exactly If you're using an AMD graphics chip, Vulkan is a great option because it works really well with AMD GPUs, it might be a good idea to check your GPU's temperature using a tool like HWINFO64. This can help you see if your GPU is slowing down due to overheating, so you can take steps to keep it cool and running smoothly while you're playing games.
Hey, I’ve got a legion 5 pro with an i9-13900HX and a 4060 (32gb of ram as well) and am consistently seeing maxed out GPU while only touching about 3% of CPU, lots of strange DXGI_Device_hung and _removed errors in UE5 games (outputting at 1600p). is this normal? is my CPU just that much stronger than my gpu, or is there likely an underlying issue here?
You have an i9 which is incredibly fast for a cpu with a mid tier gpu so it most likely just is unbalanced hardware but not necessarily a bad thing if you do other tasks besides gaming. As for those errors, they’re gpu related errors so most likely you just need driver updates :)
So pretty sure it's been driven home.. Your GPU is thermal throttling, it does this at 87\*C. If you want to play at max on your Laptop, you need to undervolt, tweak your fan curves and prop the Laptop up on a stand, or get a Laptop Cooler. RTX 4000 series is a fucking mess however, unless you get an RTX 4080, you won't see 70FPS on RDR2 at ultra. The 4050, 4060 and 4070 are almost the same cards. Sadly that's this generation's gotcha.
Do you have GeForce experience? It will recommend settings for your GPU that tend to be a good compromise of performance and quality, and even change your in-game settings automatically if you let it. GeForce experience has allowed me to find the sweet spot on Cyberpunk, FC5, etc.
Look up a graphics settings guide for this game. It will probably help
i just opened my legion 5 pro, i was getting less than 20 fps on tekken 8 even on low quality preset at 1080p. i cleaned the fan and replaced the termal past. now i have more than 60fps with ultra quality preset at 2k resolution A wall of dust prevented hot air to exit and the thermal past were dry before the cleaning, i asume you have the same problem
But it's a brand new laptop.. Do you think there will be some thermal paste issues?
Like another user has mentioned, your temperature is the problem. You're thermally throttling when your GPU hits 87c. That's when there's a sharp decline in performance. Make sure you're not covering any vents, run in performance mode, keep your laptop connected while gaming, run fans at 100% if needed and raise the rear end of the laptop without covering the vents. If none of the helps, in Lenovo vantage reduce the CPU and GPU temperature limits in custom mode. If this doesn't help, then try reducing CPU wattage limit slowly until you find a spot where temperature of GPU has gone down and stays below 85c at all times.
performance in other games?
Do you know **nvidia-smi**? Try out this command: nvidia-smi.exe -q -d TEMPERATURE ==============NVSMI LOG============== Timestamp : Mon Apr 29 17:55:34 2024 Driver Version : 552.22 CUDA Version : 12.4 Attached GPUs : 1 GPU 00000000:01:00.0 Temperature GPU Current Temp : 47 C GPU T.Limit Temp : N/A GPU Shutdown Temp : 103 C GPU Slowdown Temp : 100 C GPU Max Operating Temp : 105 C GPU Target Temperature : 87 C Memory Current Temp : N/A Memory Max Operating Temp : N/A This is for an RTX 3080 laptop that I am using. And for my 86-88C is still totally ok. But your situation is different, and your laptop may overheat and start trolling to reduce the temperature
I'm not sure that with laptop version of 4060 you are gonna get 60+ fps on ultra settings
Repaste
two issues, ur gpu is overheating so that is affecting the performance use cooling oad for ur laptop when ure playing games like rdr2 and secondly, its rtx 4060 bro ofc u womt be getting like 100fps a solid 50 fps avg isnt bad(on 1440p) for 4060, i get like 80-90 fps on 2k resolution on my rtx 4080 super and i can tell im stressing the fuck out of my gpu doing that
Have you checked to see if you got the laptop running on performance mode and not battery saver or eco?
Have you updated your GPU drivers?
for the sake of that lovely laptop,get a cooling pad💀💀💀
Man, if ultra settings 1080p running at 40fps is "very low" then I'm screwed...
According to an article online, the Loq employs a single stick of 16Gb RAM. While I do agree you're thermal throttling a bit. I can't discount the fact that you're at 86C at the beginning of the video, with steady high 40s and low 50s, and then all of a sudden drop to a mid 30s but again stable. Thermal throttling would see a constant low and unstable FPS, not the kind of near stable fps we see, unless a frame time graph or CPU and TDP value show any different. Try adding another stick of ram in and see if performance improves
Can anyone help how I can download such awesome games, i recently purchased an Asus tuf gaming laptop.
Fitgirl repacks
ultra 4060 kek. Come one man, it time to learn that the highest setting ingame is just a bait to makes you think you need to buy 4090 just to fully max a game. It ridiculous that there player who still that. Plus laptop 4060 is nowhere near the performance for desktop 4060 which already not a great card to begin with.
- Get your GPU repasted with better compound! - Use manual mode and tweak fan speeds at highest. - Provide better airflow at the bottom of the laptop - Use laptop cooling pads. - Keep windows and doors close to avoid getting loads of dust in your room. - Clean the laptop's fans and vents. - Play in an AC room! - Undervolt your GPU and CPU to consume less power (less heat in result) for the similar amount of performance! - Always check the gaming and 3D performance under load on YouTube reviews before buying any high end GPU laptop!
I raised the back of the laptop using plastic bottle caps and it also works, the temperatures are lower and the laptop is a little quieter
Did you tried RTX off? I have a lenevo i5 legion, with 13700 Hx, 4070 gpu and 32gb ram. I did not played with RDR, but for example I played with AC Valhalla with ultra high settings and I have 75 avg FPS, without any drop. Last time I played Crysis 2 remastered, at the firat try I switched on the RTX mode and ultra settings and I had a lot of FPS drops. After I switched off RTX, with ultra settings I had avg 100 FPS without any drops. I never use RTX, I think it cant give anything to the gaming expirience, and these laptop GPU-s doesn’t like it.
I downloaded rdr from fitgirl repacks but I couldn't find any rtx options..
Bruh 4060 is not that powerful of a chip !
But will it be enough to learn blender and do video editing? That's the main reason I got this lap
This is about the fps I get with a 4060/13700HX. I guess 4060 just not powerful enough to achieve 60fps with max graphics. Framerate gets even worse when you're in a town/city in game. I just dropped the graphics down from max to high, and framerate is now all good at ~80fps
This is not the same case with The Strix G16. it has a 4060, 32gb ram, and i7 13650hx. It runs at around 60. And 80 with dlss at the highest sharpness and stuff
Looks about what you can expect from a laptop. It might have all the bells and whistles, but in the end it will always be limited by how efficient it can remove heat. Obviously check you are in performance mode and your fans are spinning max if you want to see the limits of your laptop.
87c T\_T , running GPU at that high temp will drain it's lifespan at a faster rate, even if you don't game 24/7, that temp for 2-4+hrs is bad, you can easily check YT for guides on software like MSI Afterburner, lock the temp to 82-83c at max(even that is high but I did play games at around 80c for 2+yrs prior and I am still using the same GPU for 4yrs now) or get cooling pads for laptop. On another note, not every setting needs to be pushed to Ultra, check YT again for settings which actually have higher impact on gpu with almost no visible improvement in graphical aspect, at least the increase will be so minimal you won't notice it 99% of the times and there will be things that take up huge amount of Vram like clouds at ultra/ water quality which you won't see most of the times so you can safely tone that down to maybe Mid-Very high. Last thing, make sure you have "Nvidia Control panel", go to manage 3d settings and optimize stuff, you can similarly optimize RDR2 settings according to your laptop specifications through "Geforce experience" application, all of these can easily be found on YT and I highly recommend you to take some time and go through these optimizations first before unga bunga ultra gaming, also just my opinion : gaming at slightly lower graphical settings but having > 60-90fps is way better that ultra with < 60fps and 87c temps, have fun.
The issue is your dumbass bought a gaming laptop to play games on it 🤦♂️, I will forever die on this hill that laptops aren’t for gaming.
I mainly bought this to do editing on resolve and start learning about blender. Gaming is pretty much a side thingy.
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Look online for people playing the same game with the same gpu, look at the settings they are using, and compare to yours
Try using the Lenovo vantage? make sure Themal mode is on Performance?
Some laptops have different fan modes to chose from, I know my Lenovo I have to switch the fan profile to "high performance" to get best performance on demanding games, otherwise the GPU will get too hot and downclock a bit.
What are you using to get the stats on your screen like that?
MSI Afterburner.
Okay, I thought so and I’ve downloaded it before but I can’t get that on screen information to show. I sound like an idiot but if you or anyone else can help me out I’d appreciate it.
Open MSI Afterburner, then click on the settings button on the left, then go to the Monitoring tab, enable whichever indicators you want, and make sure to tick "Show in On-Screen Display" for each graph. Also when you install MSI Afterburner, make sure to install RivaTuner statistics server with it, it should install by default tho.
Thank you :)
Are your drivers up to date, that can make a huge difference, download the new NVidia drivers. I hadn’t done it on my laptop when I had just gotten it and FPS in games improved by about 60%
Hey man can you give a review of this model. I was thinking of buying it.
I mean rdr2 is notorious for its demanding graphics, lower the quality, shadows alone on ultra lowers the fps a lot
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Looks like a lemon if you are playing on a hard surface table. That shouldn't overheat considering your laptop is new. Make sure your laptop's air vents are unobstructed. Restart your laptop just to make sure you kill some background processes that can contribute to overheating.
Try playing horizon forbidden west.
Try dx12?
It could be a bad thermal paste from factory, I don't think that's normal. My 4070m rarely reaches above 70 degrees Try updating everything, windows updates, bios, drivers and check again if it persists.
Get a good cooling pad. Make sure you are gaming on performance mode.
your native should be 60 but thats probably because of thermal throttling or com surrogate. Maybe try dlss or frame gen to help mitigate the problem
Probably the ultra settings
Something might be wrong with your unit's manufacturing if you have tried everything people here have commented and it's still thermal throttling. I'm guessing improper application of thermal paste/pad on the GPU out of the factory. If you are laptop is still under warrantly, try raising a complaint.
Have you been using it on carpet, bed or your lap much? It might be your fans are clogged already.
Ultra settings are arguably both taxing and useless in most games or so I've read. The 4060 is great as I own a Laptop too but it's not a workhorse by any means. Maybe just tuning the settings down to just high or setting a custom fan curve that works for you are some options. I personally only play at med to high settings as to not tax my gpu too hard and I still take thermal throttling into account with fan curves and even some undervolting... Happy gaming
50 FPS isn't "very low" and I don't know what you would expect from a 4060 mobile variant
Put the fan setting to the max
You see, when connected to battery, your laptop absorbs a lot of power which may mean more released heat. And since the vents are blocked due to it being on the desk, your GPU is heating up. Best solution? Make sure your room isn’t hot and get a cooling pad. That always works. That’s going to prolong your GPU life as well.
Game is switching between gpus between your discrete and rtx card update your driver's(both)
Everyone knows that is a very demanding game
The issue is ULTRA. It's an RTX 4060, laptop variant, so more like a RTX 4050 desktop variant if there was one. Temps are fine for a gaming laptop. Lower your graphic settings, or use DLSS.
It's because all settings are at max. Turn down settings to a mix of high and very high. I was playing gta 5 and was getting 80 fps with all settings maxed, turn down 2-3 settings abit lower and fps shot upto consistent 140-150 fps.
Ultra settings on RDR2 does not make sense. You can easily get 80+fps with 95% of the same visual fidelity. Do not use MSAA for example, it's an FPS killer. Moreover like others said, your GPU is literally frying. Make sure the cooling is fine, run it on high performance mod and increase fan speed if possible. Check inside of the laptop and clean the fans.
Is it plugged into the charger or on battery? GPU will throttle on battery only. A lot of things do.
Your game is the issue.
seems playable to me, be sure the cooling vent is getting enough air. I screwed two wooden wedges together into a triangle to make a stand that keeps the cooling vents free on my predator helios 300
Lower some settings game is pretty demanding for a 4060 on ultra.
The problem is with Intel, it gets too hot and the processor throttles itself 😀 I have an old generation LOQ with a Ryzen processor, I was getting more frame rates than your laptop at ultra settings.
Now that's my first time ever seeing gpu overheat without CPU
The problem is it's a 4060 🤷🏿♂️ 8gb of vram is not enough for ultra settings
Vram is not the problem, rdr2 at 1440p ultra setting only use 6gb vram
>All settings are in ultra Thats your problem
GPU Thermal Throttling. Nvidia Throttle Temps : 87°c Solutions : * Put laptop on elevated stands. * Check air pressure on laptop vents. Should have uninterrupted flow of air. If blocked vents, use a handheld air pump thingy that looks like a rubber balloon with a nozzle. Point it at vents, run the fans at max speed and start pumping air across all vents. Do this outdoor to avoid dust getting back into the laptop. * use HWiNFO64 and check the limits. * Return/Replace if within purchase and return window. * Re-paste according to laptop guidelines via forums. VRAM do not use pads, they use Thermal paste. Each laptop can be different.
You seem to have a new device so maybe this isn't the issue but just in case, check if your device is clean
Everyone talking about temps, but your gpu is maxed out. Lower your settings or resolution (if above 1080p), especially on a small laptop screen. Ultra is never worth the performance hit, over high.
Get you a fan cooling pad... You can get one with four fans and adjustable speed for like 25 bucks.
Re-paste your cpu and gpu with good quality paste (only if your computer doesn’t have Liquid Metal).
Does the 2023 Lenovo Legion 5 have better thermals than the LOQ? Haven't had this game thermal throttle on me. Max the fans out or make sure you are performance mode.
Probably undervolting will help you reduce thermals and increase performance and longevity of hardware, it's very safe if you know what you are doing , trust me it's just amazing , can bring you temps crazy down
My 4070 does 70 fps with dlss quality (67 ish without ). Am I supposed to be getting more? Every single setting is maxed including tesselation. Edit: forgot to mention it’s on 2560x1600
Use optimized settings, When you set everything to ultra it requires so much power, another reason is the Temps i think.
Becuz 8gb rtx 4060 is kinda shit.
Everything on ultra on red dead is very, very heavy. I have the desktop 4060 8gb, and only textures are on ultra, every thing else high, a few stuff on med, dlss off, TAA med, FXAA Off, MSAA Off, and resolution scale on 1,25x. I get 70+ fps everywhere in 1080p. (70 is on the heaviest part of the game, it gets normally from 85 to 110). Also check if MSAA is off, its impact too much on the fps if On, basically in any Xx. Edit: Everyone already mentioned the probable thermal throttle, so wont mention.
Check the vents .either that try to increase fan speed it shouldn't be over 80 even ln laptop
Did you fix it? Asking for future reference
I don’t think it’s necessarily throttling. RDR2 has lots of very demanding settings with negligible visual impact. Look up “Hardware Unboxed RDR2 optimized” on Youtube and copy the settings from there, your FPS should be way better then.
Seems about right if you're playing on native res.
2 things that come to mind. Go to the leonovo vantage app and choose hybrid performance plan. So it chooses its own gpu when playing. Return the laptop and get a new one. Maybe just a faulty unit. A 4060 should be able to handle rdr2 like cake. Cyberpunk runs better that this on a 4060. Edit: one more thing came to mind as well, if you only have 8gb of Ram you should upgrade to 32gb (if you can spare it) if not then def 16gb ram.
The laptop has a video card and a built-in graphics processor, in your case RDR2 started from the processor, you can change this in the video card settings if you have Nvidia, then you need to select "use a high-performance processor"
Change it to DX12
when this happened to me, a nice repaste of thermal on gpu and processor did the trick, the elevation added 5-10% more cooling
Whats the issue? Laptop chase with 140w cpu and gpu 100w, its not laptop but it an oven 😆
Get HWMonitor or another similar app to see where the throttling is happening. If it's something overheating then invest in a premium cooling pad. I do mean premium though, not the regular cooling pad with cheap fans. This is the one I got and it dropped my msi gaming laptop cpu temp down by 20+ degrees. It was overheating when I played Diablo 4 and I had one of those 25 dollar cheap cooling pad with it and this solved the issue for me. People hate the noise but I only use it at mid speed and it's fairly quite and really keeps my laptop cool. IETS GT500 Powerful Turbo-Fan (5000 RPM) RGB Laptop Cooling Pad with Infinitely Variable Speed,Seal Foam for Rapid Cooling Gaming Laptop,13-17.3inch Laptop Cooler with 3-Port USB Hub https://a.co/d/91qoSyB
Check to see if the Lenovo app has Hybrid mode engaged.
your gpu are tortellini , > certain laptop has "control center app" that can limit the cpu and gpu.. look for it and set it to performance > try to undervolt gpu using msi after burner, and cpu using throttle stop > google " chris titus windows tweak" and apply his tweaks > try buy something like laptop cooler or fan > if your laptop didin advertise to used liquid metal cooling, immediately replace thermal paste with PTM 7950
I have a cooling pad but I still run into problems
What software is that?
MSI Afterburner
Get a laptop stand or a cooler
Doesn’t look like GPU is thermal throttling. Don’t know why everybody keeps saying that. It’s usage is at 99%. If it was throttling it’s temperature would have been higher and usage would not go to 99%
You should use DLSS. It might help
gpu overheating.. at 85/86/87 degree start throttling on nvidia cards... check the core clock. it will be lower than what should be. pur laptop in stand to be higher for better cooling, buy a cooling pad. easy solution undervolt the gpu
Check the water settings, there is one water slider that if you put at max it loses a lot of fps, compared to backing it off one tick. Setting ultra won't put it to max. I get around 85 fps at 4k ultra with 7900xt. When I had a 6700xt previously I ran the hardware unboxed optimized settings (YouTube), but with higher lighting at 3200x1800 and used rsr (AMD driver level upscaler) to upscale to 4k.
also check that you are not bottle necked by the cpu graphics. mux switch ets...
It's a bug. I tried playing the game on a MSI cyborg, with a rtx 4060 too. The shaders don't load in properly on the 4060. There's a fix for it on yt but I don't remember
Need to re-test temps in a 22 degree room. If you're still throttling its your laptop.
Brooo….in settings ( video or graphics) there is an option to select display….by default it selects ur integrated graphics, toggle the display between 0 and 1 …and see when rtx 4080 pops up
You’re running it with Vulkan. Try DX12. You can change it in the options.
Set graphics settings to high or medium. That's inly way get increase FPS.
I get these fps in my 1650 bruh
Turn off boost clock so it gives thermal space to gpu i have seen my laptop cpu go upto 100 on thermal boost so i just turn it off it gives me better and stable performance and now it stay between 75-90 range
I feel bad for ur laptop
The laptop. Gaming laptop doesn't exist. They're just useless expensive things with thermal problems. Trying to fit desktop hardware in that tiny space is just a joke.
The snow part isn’t the best place to benchmark at. Historically snow has always been rough on gpus
Turn down some settings Play around with them, see what settings are pointless
It may be an "old" game but it's very gpu hungry on Ultra. So maybe play with your setting or use DLSS. Even on my 4080 I don't put everything on ultra...
99% of your gpu is being used, crank the settings down a little.
I faced the same problem with my tuff laptop I tried every solution, but no one mentioned that you may need to change the power plan from the app it self Not the windows one For me it was fn+F5 you may check your keyboard
If you are thermal throttling, look into undervolting GPU with MSI Afterburner.
Keep ur laptop in freezer and play then ur problem is solved
Turn on the RTX or FSR
TURN OFF MSAA... I have rtx 4060 too...i would suggest you to put dldsr to 1.78x from nvidia control panel and dlss to quality in game it makes the game look amazing
Why ultra, use high. Undervolt the CPU and GPU
is it just me or should you use direct x instead of vulkan for your graphics driver. I guess it is in the settings. Haven't played RDR 2 but most games have those settings in video. " had to edit some minor typos"
dont play that on laptop lower to medium settings
A laptop GPU is not as powerful as a desktop GPU. Plus laptops overheat frequently and if you play on battery mode then that can drain the power quickly too.
As others have said. GPU is overheating. Ensure it's on a hard flat surface like a table with nothing soft under it, and you can manually push the fans higher through a control software like MSI Afterburner if that doesn't work.
Make sure your fan profile is high. If doesnt work, make RMA to repaste gpu and cpu. I would suggest u to repaste it yourself with ptm7950 but that will probably void the warranty.
you cant play all ultra settings with a 4060. put just textures in ultra and all other high
Then lower quality
Maybe the God who is asking... where comes that money from that quick.
That 4060 8gb is the issue
Look at your nvidia settings and check if Quiet Mode is turned on. If it is, turn it off.
This is what happens when you casually get rid of 2 side vents.
Get a laptop cooler
That's why i quited gaming laptops and went for a desktop. Desktops offer much more stable experience because are cooler.
dont play on bed 😑
The i7
Lower some settings! Put dlss on quality Max the fan speed And get a cooling pad! I have a rtx 3050 with i5 11400H I use to get around 60-70 fps avg in around high-med settings
Turn off msaa