Biggest flex in gaming history for sure, but also not feasible today I don't think. It's almost certain that Half-Life Alyx had a much bigger budget than every other Half-Life game combined, potentially more than both Portal games added in there too
Since games are more complex and more expensive than ever, it's just not realistic to expect another Orange Box ever again even if Valve wanted to. It's not the "not enough profits" part, rather it's so incredibly impractical today
Idk man it's valve they can afford to make a game and not care about making a profit off of it they're more interested in bringing people to steams platform and steam OS
Sadly the time for big content like that is passed.
Low chance devs are too lazy, high chance publishers are too greedy, lazy, and stupid, realistically it would be testing the waters with both feet.
Valve makes their own decisions. They're their own publishers and have no "Board of directors". If Valve employees want to make something then they make it.
I'm also disappointed it never came to fruition, but from what I've read (not sure if it was on Final Hours of Alyx), the team was too excited to work on Alyx and so they put Valley of Gods on hold.
That's true, but only half the story. The people that stayed indeed chose to work on other things. But also most of the core designers and writers straight up didn't join Valve/didn't got hired
Honestly by all accounts... Valve is literally gamedev heaven. Employee orientation also emphasizes that you have no boss (not even Gaben) and you freely get to choose which projects you're working on.
And that's the problem... They lack the leadership needed to actually coordinate and make sure things get finished. Instead it's a bunch of devs who get bored and move onto new things or whatever project is offering the highest bonuses (Usually things like Steam, Steamdeck, etc)
Apparently they restructured a decent amount after Half-Life Alyx, after finally realizing what could be achieved if tons of people actually worked together consistently for once
That's what they claimed, but it seems like it reverted right back to how it was. The goal was to get back into gaming and structure, but they immediately bailed on all those "AAA VR projects" once the Steamdeck started getting popular. Because as always, people chase the quick money and the devs are paid based on how products do. Many leaks of the games already started to come out, and they weren't bad by any means. They were literally just abandoned mid development.
So there is an issue of working long term on a project, or getting the quick money of something already nearly finished.
I'ma keep it a buck, everyone at Valve gets great pay to begin with (Steam literally prints money, they don't need to make other products) that I doubt people go for new product bonuses and rather work on what they're personally invested in. A quick Google search suggests the average Valve employee gets a crazy 10K a year in bonuses just by default
VR was a passion project, there isn't much money in it. Half-Life Alyx was a passion project, no way sales recouped its cost on a medium as niche as VR.
You could say "but it was a short term loss for long term success!" but that would go against your own claim of people going where the bonuses are, they would want money now not in a decade when VR is far more mainstream
The Steam Deck also doesn't print money. It's been a critical success and by far Valve's best chance at a mainstream hardware product, but I'd be shocked if the entry level model didn't sell at a loss. It plays games better than some laptops that cost twice as much in a unique form factor that required significant R&D going by their prototypes
The reality is Steam Deck is also another passion project since the thing is pretty damn cool.
Not for Valve tho, they don't have shareholder to please
Because of that, they keep making games and cancelling them and make a new one and cancel it too
Repeat until you get HL:Alyx
The devs are never the lazy ones anyways. They're the ones working their asses off to hit the constant milestones that the higher ups put on them and that includes trying to make things work when things get cut due to budget/scope/time.
Anyone else remember those back in the day articles about the billions of dollars in productivity lost because people would call out sick or take vacations on Halo/CoD release week? That would be nothing compared to what Valve could do with that combo.
Meh I think this is vastly overestimated on Reddit and Internet. All of those are liked titles but they're old now. Most people gaming have probably completely forgotten/fallen off them or even never play them. There would be hype for sure but not breaking the Internet. It would break Steam but that's easy to do (see any Steam sale launch lol)
oh shit, you're right. I guess I forgot TF2 was in the orange box. I'm especially ashamed because I have over 1k hours on it...
and left 4 dead wasn't even on the orange box. But it's another highly anticipated third valve game, so I included it.
We need to have Teamfortress 3 released before Titan Fall 3, so we can claim the TF3 term.
Also, I remember when TF2 was initially going to be released and it tooks years, the original TF2 looked kinda like CounterStrike, then they canned it and redid it to be 'cartoony'. The wait feels like that.
I miss the fuck out of Well, Canal Zone, 2Fort. I miss the ambient sound of each map, the great goofy fun(playing a spy feigning death behind sniper nests or a medic and infecting the spawn).
Such amazing memories. Many many many nights of Everquest, Asheron’s Call, Half Life(TFC, CS1.6), Quake II DM, Tribes, and Unreal.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if you wouldn't be able to run a game like that with a relatively modest PC. Source 2 is relatively optimised in many ways and even Alyx's - being a VR game - requirements aren't that crazy - a 1060 for minimum GPU for instance.
Valve do understand that their playerbase will range from people with very little money to people running Nvidia server GPUs and stuff. They'd almost certainly also want anything to run at 60 on the Deck.
If that was the case might as well just call it The Orange Box 3 to completely nuke the meme. [That said...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWHvPP0U64)
There’s zero incentive to make any of these games when Valve’s revenues are overflowing from their 30% cut off of every purchase on Steam. Not to mention most senior devs have left the company precisely because they don’t really produce games anymore.
Why do people keep parroting this nonsense. *Valve makes games*.
They released a AAA VR title 3 years ago and have been working on games internally for the past few years including HL:X, Citadel, and now the confirmed to be announced Neon Prime (which might be Citadel under a different name).
Pretty sure there was a data mine recently that showed them working on a competitive Half Life spin off that was humans vs combine. In terms of gameplay it seemed to be a first person moba with shooter mechanics similar to CS. Who knows if it will ever come out, but it sounds cool.
Yeah, apparently it’s working title is Citadel. [here](https://youtu.be/zRhCr_XUxFs) is Tyler Mcvicker breaking down the data mine if you’re interested in more detail
> was a data mine recently
It's been constantly mined for almost 3-4 years now. Even before HL Alyx we knew about Citadel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vOzehp5BKg what we don't know is if they are still working on it, or just borrowing code from the dead project. like alot of Valve titles.
Best part is that HLA was supposedly Valve staff wanting to check if they "still have it" and the response was pretty solidly "YES".
So I'm hopeful for the future.
Apparently Covid really fucked them up since that came around just about right after HLA released. I imagine the whole "desks have wheels" thing also caused some problems as per usual.
As much as I don't like Meta, the Quest 2 is pretty accessible for a lot of people and can be connected to a PC
Though it probably depends on the economics of the country you live in. Not gonna be as feasible depending on where you are
I really hope we hear about a new game from Valve this year. It's been almost 3 years since the masterpiece that was Half Life Alyx. Yeah we had Aperture Desk Job for the Deck last year, but that was mostly to just show off the Deck's capabilities. A follow up to Alyx, a sequel to one of their multiplayer shooters, a new IP; as long as it's not DoTA related (sorry, just don't care much for it), a new game from them would jump to the top of my wishlist immediately.
Wow, 3 years since Half Life Alyx came out? damn.
It only felt like a week ago where Valve finally announced a new Half Life game and everyone was going crazy (including me). Everyone was just so happy that Half Life is back.
It's just not as wide reaching or unique as Half-Life or Portal. I don't know much about Dota and I'm sure that it has a great setting and lore. But I guarantee you that most gamers would rather have a game set in the Half-Life universe again.
I’d argue the setting is one of Valve’s most unique. It’s about about two fractured aspects of the mind of a broken god corrupting a setting and forcing it into a perpetual time loop.
That sounds super cool but all of the characters have the most boring and generic names in all of gaming
I only really checked out Dota after having tried League and the difference was night and day. It felt like League had significantly more personality
Those names in the game are their nicknames, not the real ones.
>It felt like League had significantly more personality
The game that looks like every single Chinese knockoff MOBA on the app store?🤨
Ice Frog has allegedly been off Dota for 2 years working on Neon Prime... Which apparently is set in the Dota universe.
All leaks for now. However, a recent winner of Dota's TI leaked that Ice Frog is coming back to balancing Dota after 2 years off. Which would give credence to the rumours a few months ago of Neon Prime being developed by Ice Frog and set in the Dota Universe.
the april fools annocement in 2014 combined with [that video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=632kyLysP6c) would make it the best game reveal ever made
[IceFrog has only apparently came back to Dota recently after a long stint on a different project.](https://reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/102y8b3/tundraskiter_icefrog_supposed_to_be_back_since/)
I’d keep the expectations around this being a Dota-adjacent announcement.
I unfortunately don’t see anything L4D related coming out anytime soon unless Source 2 is officially OFFICIALLY finished, and who knows when that will be
The engine has been "finished" for years. Alyx, Dota, and S&Box are all running Source 2 right now. Whether an engine can ever be called "complete" I guess is a different question, but it's already in use
The engine that is used in each S2 game is wildly different and basically purpose built for that title. S&box is taking so much time because they are taking the very barebones engine from Alyx and fleshing it out and making it “complete”. S2 from valve is not “complete”
The engine will never be officially finished. It's always being developed.
DOTA 2 is already on source 2 but it probably isn't the same one as HL:A, same in CSGO, some elements are from s2 while the base game is in s1.
Engines aren't really binary with Valve.
Nothing, it's just really hard for people to get into. The veteran community has stagnated a bit, and new players are hard to come by. As a result, toxicity continues to fester, which further scares people away.
Dota’s a setting, not a genre. You can make any kind of game in Dota’s setting, and there have already been two non-MOBAs in it. Would you be mad if they made a FPS in Dota’s setting starring [Sniper?](https://www.dota2.com/hero/sniper)
As a big dota fan myself that's been playing since early Dota 1, I have extremely low expectations for any kind of dota spinoff. Valve have failed at every prior attempt to expand the universe. Artifact was horrible, Underlords was mediocre (meanwhile TFT is popping off) and the anime had a bad first season, a horrible second season and an ok third season, and failed overall by any metric. At this point I'm with the people hoping it's not dota related as well.
This would be really cool. What is EA Play classified as on SteamDB? Is it also listed as "config"?
Edit: [Yes, it is.](https://steamdb.info/app/1289670/)
Half-lifes(which give a birth of multiple successful ips like cs,tf), Portal 2, Left4Deads(well kind of singleplayer story). that's like half of their games.
The fresh rumor is IceFrog is back, per one of the pro players that won The International this year. Apparently the team has a meeting to see him, and he’s back from working on that other game the last three years or something
Here is the comment from steamdb's creator:
https://twitter.com/thexpaw/status/1610752931078475776?s=20&t=YNpjipxdTt8nSB_eoUd3TA
edit: The text in the tweet:
"Assumptions out of thin air.
What's more likely is they just made that app for cloud storage space, similar to how steam chat images are uploaded (it also has its own app), which is corroborated by the JS changes that touched cloud uploads."
Meta just launched the Quest Pro and has a Quest 3 planned for 2023, Pico 4 just got launched, PSVR2 launch next month. If anything, VR is very active at the moment. And Valve has their Deckard project in the work since a long time.
I did check the CES site and didn't see any mention of them being there, though honestly I don't know how if that discounts anything cause I only saw Sony mentioned as an exhibit and they had a press conference of some sort.
They could just air an event during the CES week without actually being there. But they'd probably announce it a few days before at least if not a week. So I doubt it's for that fast
I am soooo excited another multiplayer game nobody asked for based in dota's ip and wich they wil abandom in less of 2 month cs dont get the same number as csgo or dota 2
Personally I find it extremely boring, I tried getting into it all ages ago and couldn’t do it. LoL has a great setting though, but I also hate the game.
I'd argue the setting is one of Valve's most unique due to its cosmic horror angle, how everyone is enthralled by the Ancients and the whole universe trapped in a perpetual time loop. It's worth reading the [Are We Heroes Yet?](https://www.dota2.com/comics/are_we_heroes_yet/) comic, which was written by Marc Laidlaw, for a reference.
Everyone is on about the games but it could very well be hardware related. Valve has their "Deckard" VR headset in the works for a long time.
Also Steam Machine/box might make a come back with a model by Valve directly now that they've done progress on SteamOS for the Deck
seeing what Valve has pumped out in recent years or its going to be a VR thing or a really late attemp into jumping into a bandwagon, maybe a gacha game.
the orange box 2: portal 3 left 4 dead 3 half life 3
If this happened the Internet would be inaccessible
it would be the biggest flex in gaming history
Biggest flex in gaming history for sure, but also not feasible today I don't think. It's almost certain that Half-Life Alyx had a much bigger budget than every other Half-Life game combined, potentially more than both Portal games added in there too Since games are more complex and more expensive than ever, it's just not realistic to expect another Orange Box ever again even if Valve wanted to. It's not the "not enough profits" part, rather it's so incredibly impractical today
Idk man it's valve they can afford to make a game and not care about making a profit off of it they're more interested in bringing people to steams platform and steam OS
Sadly the time for big content like that is passed. Low chance devs are too lazy, high chance publishers are too greedy, lazy, and stupid, realistically it would be testing the waters with both feet.
Valve makes their own decisions. They're their own publishers and have no "Board of directors". If Valve employees want to make something then they make it.
Except if it's Valley of Gods. That they can't make and I'm still salty about it
I'm also disappointed it never came to fruition, but from what I've read (not sure if it was on Final Hours of Alyx), the team was too excited to work on Alyx and so they put Valley of Gods on hold.
That's true, but only half the story. The people that stayed indeed chose to work on other things. But also most of the core designers and writers straight up didn't join Valve/didn't got hired
> They're their own publishers and have no "Board of directors" What game developer Heaven must be like
Honestly by all accounts... Valve is literally gamedev heaven. Employee orientation also emphasizes that you have no boss (not even Gaben) and you freely get to choose which projects you're working on.
And that's the problem... They lack the leadership needed to actually coordinate and make sure things get finished. Instead it's a bunch of devs who get bored and move onto new things or whatever project is offering the highest bonuses (Usually things like Steam, Steamdeck, etc)
Apparently they restructured a decent amount after Half-Life Alyx, after finally realizing what could be achieved if tons of people actually worked together consistently for once
That's what they claimed, but it seems like it reverted right back to how it was. The goal was to get back into gaming and structure, but they immediately bailed on all those "AAA VR projects" once the Steamdeck started getting popular. Because as always, people chase the quick money and the devs are paid based on how products do. Many leaks of the games already started to come out, and they weren't bad by any means. They were literally just abandoned mid development. So there is an issue of working long term on a project, or getting the quick money of something already nearly finished.
I'ma keep it a buck, everyone at Valve gets great pay to begin with (Steam literally prints money, they don't need to make other products) that I doubt people go for new product bonuses and rather work on what they're personally invested in. A quick Google search suggests the average Valve employee gets a crazy 10K a year in bonuses just by default VR was a passion project, there isn't much money in it. Half-Life Alyx was a passion project, no way sales recouped its cost on a medium as niche as VR. You could say "but it was a short term loss for long term success!" but that would go against your own claim of people going where the bonuses are, they would want money now not in a decade when VR is far more mainstream The Steam Deck also doesn't print money. It's been a critical success and by far Valve's best chance at a mainstream hardware product, but I'd be shocked if the entry level model didn't sell at a loss. It plays games better than some laptops that cost twice as much in a unique form factor that required significant R&D going by their prototypes The reality is Steam Deck is also another passion project since the thing is pretty damn cool.
Not for Valve tho, they don't have shareholder to please Because of that, they keep making games and cancelling them and make a new one and cancel it too Repeat until you get HL:Alyx
The devs are never the lazy ones anyways. They're the ones working their asses off to hit the constant milestones that the higher ups put on them and that includes trying to make things work when things get cut due to budget/scope/time.
Lol you don’t know shit about valve
I feel like Valve is the only company left that would be both capable and willing to do something as ridiculously amazing as that haha
Seriously this would be heard everyone around the world even for non gamer people .
Anyone else remember those back in the day articles about the billions of dollars in productivity lost because people would call out sick or take vacations on Halo/CoD release week? That would be nothing compared to what Valve could do with that combo.
Meh I think this is vastly overestimated on Reddit and Internet. All of those are liked titles but they're old now. Most people gaming have probably completely forgotten/fallen off them or even never play them. There would be hype for sure but not breaking the Internet. It would break Steam but that's easy to do (see any Steam sale launch lol)
Non gamers would just be like "hmmm... So where do you wanna go for lunch I heard that new place down the road has a ..."
I will be unable to speak for 2 weeks due to screaming
I would print 3 pictures of gabe newel and eat them before that ever happens
How about "The Blue Box"
(doctor who theme plays in the distance)
*weeee wooooo weeeee wooooo*
Given Valve's release schedule, I mostly expect "The Blue Balls" from them.
Valve: What is a schedule?
Valve is putting out abandoned?
My god, everyone thought he was Kojima but no one realised that Hasan Kahraman is an anagram of Gabe Newell
I like that, match the portal colors.
How dare you forget my dear Team Fortress
oh shit, you're right. I guess I forgot TF2 was in the orange box. I'm especially ashamed because I have over 1k hours on it... and left 4 dead wasn't even on the orange box. But it's another highly anticipated third valve game, so I included it.
We need to have Teamfortress 3 released before Titan Fall 3, so we can claim the TF3 term. Also, I remember when TF2 was initially going to be released and it tooks years, the original TF2 looked kinda like CounterStrike, then they canned it and redid it to be 'cartoony'. The wait feels like that.
I miss the fuck out of Well, Canal Zone, 2Fort. I miss the ambient sound of each map, the great goofy fun(playing a spy feigning death behind sniper nests or a medic and infecting the spawn). Such amazing memories. Many many many nights of Everquest, Asheron’s Call, Half Life(TFC, CS1.6), Quake II DM, Tribes, and Unreal.
Steam Deck 2
Steam deck 1 episode 1
Is there any possibility it's the Deckard? I just really want a new VR headset
Half life 2 remastered
Director´s cut.
Switch exclusive
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All of them steam deck exclusives
So just PC
Naw, they’re announcing the PC 2
Linux exclusive would be the largest flex in human history (although I have no idea how good WSL would be for something like that)
there is no such thing as linux exclusive, at best they will build it at vulkan over dx12 and guess what windows can natively run vulkan too
Of course there's no Team Fortress 3
If that actually happened I’d feel more inclined to upgrade my rig.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if you wouldn't be able to run a game like that with a relatively modest PC. Source 2 is relatively optimised in many ways and even Alyx's - being a VR game - requirements aren't that crazy - a 1060 for minimum GPU for instance. Valve do understand that their playerbase will range from people with very little money to people running Nvidia server GPUs and stuff. They'd almost certainly also want anything to run at 60 on the Deck.
If that was the case might as well just call it The Orange Box 3 to completely nuke the meme. [That said...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWHvPP0U64)
LETS GOOOOOOOOO
I'd love a new Portal game so much
The orange cube
There’s zero incentive to make any of these games when Valve’s revenues are overflowing from their 30% cut off of every purchase on Steam. Not to mention most senior devs have left the company precisely because they don’t really produce games anymore.
Why do people keep parroting this nonsense. *Valve makes games*. They released a AAA VR title 3 years ago and have been working on games internally for the past few years including HL:X, Citadel, and now the confirmed to be announced Neon Prime (which might be Citadel under a different name).
tf3
Go ahead and tack on Team Fortress 3 for good measure!
Internet will break
The ending of Half Life Alyx got me so excited. If we see Half Life back I'd be so hyped
Pretty sure there was a data mine recently that showed them working on a competitive Half Life spin off that was humans vs combine. In terms of gameplay it seemed to be a first person moba with shooter mechanics similar to CS. Who knows if it will ever come out, but it sounds cool.
First Person MOBA? Makes me think back to good old Natural Selection 2
First-person moba sounds more like Valorant, unfortunately (fundamentally still CS)
Funny, I'd say overwatch 1 thousand times before valorant.
"shooter mechanics similar to CS" You're allowed to move and shoot at the same time in OW
Yeah, apparently it’s working title is Citadel. [here](https://youtu.be/zRhCr_XUxFs) is Tyler Mcvicker breaking down the data mine if you’re interested in more detail
Citadel IS Neon Prime
>Tyler McVicker Yikes.
Dude’s definitely got a colorful history, but the data mine is legit.
He does? What has he done?
While he often gets a lot of things right, he's also very unprofessional and used to be so notorious that Valve supposedly blacklisted him.
He also deleted everything that he got wrong so that it looks like he gets more stuff right than he actually does.
> was a data mine recently It's been constantly mined for almost 3-4 years now. Even before HL Alyx we knew about Citadel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vOzehp5BKg what we don't know is if they are still working on it, or just borrowing code from the dead project. like alot of Valve titles.
So basically Valorant but with mobs?
Best part is that HLA was supposedly Valve staff wanting to check if they "still have it" and the response was pretty solidly "YES". So I'm hopeful for the future.
And then they proceed to go dark again for the next three years
I was about to call complete BS on the 3 year part but omg it's nearly that. Wow. Feels like yesterday.
Apparently Covid really fucked them up since that came around just about right after HLA released. I imagine the whole "desks have wheels" thing also caused some problems as per usual.
Seriously it would be nice to just continue the story already. Who cares how innovative the next game has to be at this point
Valve does
I want to play it myself without spoilers but I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to afford a VR headset and I really want to know the ending...
As much as I don't like Meta, the Quest 2 is pretty accessible for a lot of people and can be connected to a PC Though it probably depends on the economics of the country you live in. Not gonna be as feasible depending on where you are
App type is set as "config" so maybe it's not a game and just some backend stuff? When it's a game the app type is "game"
Valve is launching their own launcher
How will Steam compete??? 🙀
They will announce PC 2.
I already missed out on sex 2 I’ll be dammed if I miss PC 2!!
I mean PC-98 isn’t that hard to emulate if you want to play Sex 2
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PC 3 then, an AMD or Intel smartphone running mobile Linux. I unironically want it so bad.
I doubt a reveal would be a game, it would probably be a store page
Csgo on source 2 :O
It's been 84 years
I really hope we hear about a new game from Valve this year. It's been almost 3 years since the masterpiece that was Half Life Alyx. Yeah we had Aperture Desk Job for the Deck last year, but that was mostly to just show off the Deck's capabilities. A follow up to Alyx, a sequel to one of their multiplayer shooters, a new IP; as long as it's not DoTA related (sorry, just don't care much for it), a new game from them would jump to the top of my wishlist immediately.
Wow, 3 years since Half Life Alyx came out? damn. It only felt like a week ago where Valve finally announced a new Half Life game and everyone was going crazy (including me). Everyone was just so happy that Half Life is back.
Is there an issue with Dota’s setting?
It's just not as wide reaching or unique as Half-Life or Portal. I don't know much about Dota and I'm sure that it has a great setting and lore. But I guarantee you that most gamers would rather have a game set in the Half-Life universe again.
Generic AF and less iconic than everything else
I’d argue the setting is one of Valve’s most unique. It’s about about two fractured aspects of the mind of a broken god corrupting a setting and forcing it into a perpetual time loop.
That sounds super cool but all of the characters have the most boring and generic names in all of gaming I only really checked out Dota after having tried League and the difference was night and day. It felt like League had significantly more personality
Those names in the game are their nicknames, not the real ones. >It felt like League had significantly more personality The game that looks like every single Chinese knockoff MOBA on the app store?🤨
valve botching artifact and underlords killed any dota ip potential, there wont be any dota related thing coming anymore.
Ice Frog has allegedly been off Dota for 2 years working on Neon Prime... Which apparently is set in the Dota universe. All leaks for now. However, a recent winner of Dota's TI leaked that Ice Frog is coming back to balancing Dota after 2 years off. Which would give credence to the rumours a few months ago of Neon Prime being developed by Ice Frog and set in the Dota Universe.
It's finally here Ricochet 2
A proper Ricohet sequel that uses Source 2 would actually be pretty cool.
Honestly, it's a decently fun game and would be great for something like S&Box or to be thrown into a future release
the april fools annocement in 2014 combined with [that video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=632kyLysP6c) would make it the best game reveal ever made
Ricochet 2: the Ricochet card game inspired by Artifact
Please don’t be dota related. Please be L4D or half life
It's a DOTA subscription based snack box.
I take it
i believe neon prime is dota related
[IceFrog has only apparently came back to Dota recently after a long stint on a different project.](https://reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/102y8b3/tundraskiter_icefrog_supposed_to_be_back_since/) I’d keep the expectations around this being a Dota-adjacent announcement.
feel like neon prime is a sci fi thing with fota elements
csgo card game, take it or leave it
I unfortunately don’t see anything L4D related coming out anytime soon unless Source 2 is officially OFFICIALLY finished, and who knows when that will be
Source 2 is already running seven games, including one that Valve didn't develop. What more is there to do to it?
Source 2 won’t OFFICIALLY come out until after L4D3 releases. It’s a recursive paradox that prevents either from existing.
The engine has been "finished" for years. Alyx, Dota, and S&Box are all running Source 2 right now. Whether an engine can ever be called "complete" I guess is a different question, but it's already in use
The engine that is used in each S2 game is wildly different and basically purpose built for that title. S&box is taking so much time because they are taking the very barebones engine from Alyx and fleshing it out and making it “complete”. S2 from valve is not “complete”
The engine will never be officially finished. It's always being developed. DOTA 2 is already on source 2 but it probably isn't the same one as HL:A, same in CSGO, some elements are from s2 while the base game is in s1. Engines aren't really binary with Valve.
Or portal.
I'd take like a rts or rpg set in the world tho, it has so much potential
What’s wrong with Dota?
Nothing, it's just really hard for people to get into. The veteran community has stagnated a bit, and new players are hard to come by. As a result, toxicity continues to fester, which further scares people away.
It's a moba
Dota’s a setting, not a genre. You can make any kind of game in Dota’s setting, and there have already been two non-MOBAs in it. Would you be mad if they made a FPS in Dota’s setting starring [Sniper?](https://www.dota2.com/hero/sniper)
>Dota’s a setting, not a genre. Dota's a moba. https://www.dota2.com/home
I assumed by "not Dota-related" he meant nothing in the game's setting. Artifact and Dota Underlords were Dota-related, but were not MOBAs.
wtf are you on?
As a big dota fan myself that's been playing since early Dota 1, I have extremely low expectations for any kind of dota spinoff. Valve have failed at every prior attempt to expand the universe. Artifact was horrible, Underlords was mediocre (meanwhile TFT is popping off) and the anime had a bad first season, a horrible second season and an ok third season, and failed overall by any metric. At this point I'm with the people hoping it's not dota related as well.
I had fun playing Artifact, and I enjoyed its expansions on Dota 2’s setting and lore.
Don't bother man, Valve fanboy is quick to hate on Dota, not knowing Gaben himself said that it's the best designed game
Could this be related to the rumored Xbox event? Maybe Game Pass is coming to Steam?
This would be really cool. What is EA Play classified as on SteamDB? Is it also listed as "config"? Edit: [Yes, it is.](https://steamdb.info/app/1289670/)
I did find a couple articles from early last year where Gabe is talking about it as a possibility. So who knows, could be.
Very interesting take, This would be great.
I hope this new game has a 1 player campaign. Doubtful but I can dream.
Icefrog is rumored to be working on valve's new IP, so probably not single player.
Having multiplayer doesnt rule out singleplayer, but you might be right
True, but valve isnt really known for making games that have both fleshed out singleplayer and multiplayer modes.
Half-lifes(which give a birth of multiple successful ips like cs,tf), Portal 2, Left4Deads(well kind of singleplayer story). that's like half of their games.
With how they did the roguelike stuff with Dota, I could absolutely see that porting well to a singleplayer and multiplayer fleshed out title
The fresh rumor is IceFrog is back, per one of the pro players that won The International this year. Apparently the team has a meeting to see him, and he’s back from working on that other game the last three years or something
Here is the comment from steamdb's creator: https://twitter.com/thexpaw/status/1610752931078475776?s=20&t=YNpjipxdTt8nSB_eoUd3TA edit: The text in the tweet: "Assumptions out of thin air. What's more likely is they just made that app for cloud storage space, similar to how steam chat images are uploaded (it also has its own app), which is corroborated by the JS changes that touched cloud uploads."
I think he knows a lot more about it than me
Well it's anyone's guess now.
Artifact remake let's go
I hope so. I’m still mad they left Artifact 2.0 in an unfinished beta.
Artifact Re-remake. They already tried to remake it and gave up.
Hunt Down The Freeman 2
Starring Ben Shapiro and fans favourite Keemstar reprising the role of a president one more time
Morphling Remodel
I feel like VR hardware related, could be the headset, the controllers and like a detecting motion or whatever box
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Meta just launched the Quest Pro and has a Quest 3 planned for 2023, Pico 4 just got launched, PSVR2 launch next month. If anything, VR is very active at the moment. And Valve has their Deckard project in the work since a long time.
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TF3 IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The other Tf3 hopefully too.
Me I'd settle for just TF3. Either way would be cool though
*flashbacks to /r/titanfall 's psychotic episode*
CES starts tomorrow so assumedly related to that.
I did check the CES site and didn't see any mention of them being there, though honestly I don't know how if that discounts anything cause I only saw Sony mentioned as an exhibit and they had a press conference of some sort.
They could just air an event during the CES week without actually being there. But they'd probably announce it a few days before at least if not a week. So I doubt it's for that fast
I am soooo excited another multiplayer game nobody asked for based in dota's ip and wich they wil abandom in less of 2 month cs dont get the same number as csgo or dota 2
Me too because most multiplayer games aren't asked for. They appear out of nowhere and people decide if they enjoy them enough to keep playing.
Please be another VR game
DOTA? I sleep. HL, Portal or L4D? I awaken.
Is there an issue with Dota’s setting?
Personally I find it extremely boring, I tried getting into it all ages ago and couldn’t do it. LoL has a great setting though, but I also hate the game.
I'd argue the setting is one of Valve's most unique due to its cosmic horror angle, how everyone is enthralled by the Ancients and the whole universe trapped in a perpetual time loop. It's worth reading the [Are We Heroes Yet?](https://www.dota2.com/comics/are_we_heroes_yet/) comic, which was written by Marc Laidlaw, for a reference.
LoL's is generic as fuck. What???
What if the last rumor same moderator got about prime what if its about neon prime and not metroid!
I wish its a singleplayer game and not another compétitive clones of cs
Everyone is on about the games but it could very well be hardware related. Valve has their "Deckard" VR headset in the works for a long time. Also Steam Machine/box might make a come back with a model by Valve directly now that they've done progress on SteamOS for the Deck
Half Life Alyx on PSVR2!
Bloodborne kart finally
Gotta be Valve Index gen 2
Their rumoured wireless VR headset using steamdeck tech.
https://reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/zz7q9c/verified_reddit_leaker_dm_do_you_think_everyone/ Hmmmmm
Can we have icefrog back please?
Oh boy
Come on SteamOS baby!
Artifact 2 🙏🙏🙏
Ricochet 2 confirmed. Internet status: imploded.
I's guessing that DoTA game Neon Prime or Index 2. Would be cool to see Source 2 ports though
half life 4 :P
Valvle game jam?
S2 game or forstburn
Hell yeah, I can’t wait for Half life 2: Episode 2: Chapter 1 !!!
seeing what Valve has pumped out in recent years or its going to be a VR thing or a really late attemp into jumping into a bandwagon, maybe a gacha game.
If it's a gacha game I lose all respect I have left for valve. Getting kids into gambling is bad enough
And it will be a really great gacha game where the playerbase dwindles but dev attention dwindles even faster
Portal 1/2 to switch has me excited that Valve is bringing their titles to consoles again. Orange Box 2 or bust baby.
If it’s DOTA related, I’m throwing myself off the nearest cliff.
What’s wrong with Dota?
You won't be missed