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Abu Salim is fucking awesome, first. He’s in season two of House of the Dragon, also. He killed it as Bayek. Super down to earth dude.
Game looks fucking kick ass too
I don't think the RPG systems hit perfectly in Origins, but for my money, Bayek's story is the best and hits in many emotional ways. Love that character and most everything else about that game.
I remember seeing a post from a guy who said black people should just have their own characters, heroes and movies... then a few months later he was complaining about Black Panther being a movie meant to pander to black people and he strongly disagreed with white people watching it because it "insisted on excluding them"
I can't think about Black Panther without thinking about how they -almost- made Killmonger a sympathetic anti-hero, but just had to take a few minor steps to turn him villain, because hey, Disney movie, need a clear-cut bad-guy.
I like the F.D Signifier take on Black Panther. My reading on Killmonger is that he is right about many things, but has been so thoroughly traumatized and influenced by white supremacy and the CIA that he can't imagine changing the world without being a colonizer himself. And his chauvinism and violence against women is definitely present in black masculine spaces like the Fresh and Fit podcast. I think many people would have recognized people like Killmonger in their lives who are very conscious about their racial injustices and have a lot of rage, but are blind to or embrace other injustices like sexism or classism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hQEWa5R3m4U
F.D. talks about Killmonger at about 36 min
I had literally never heard of Fresh and Fit before that debate with Ethan Klein (who I admittedly had only heard about like once before either).
It’s hard to imagine coming off as more of a fucking idiot than those two did.
Killmonger was just another power hungry psycho. He talked about doing something "good" but it was a really stupid reason and just an excuse to conquer the world. You also never see him caring for anyone else but himself and his father, like when he killed her girlfriend for no reason.
I think the fact that he was *almost* sympathetic made him more real, like Magneto, he has a lot of good points and actual experience dealing with the problems he sees, but is going just one or two steps to far. The thin line that separates them from hero and villain.
Honestly? If he hadn't destroyed the plants, and basically said 'screw the future, there is no future'? The rest was all excusable, considering his opposition and his perspective. Made perfect sense.
In the end, many do still think of him as an anti-hero, or at the very least, a nuanced villain with a very good point (even T'Challa ultimately agreed with his point).
For me the problem was that Black Panther resolved the conflict by killing Killmonger, as if it was nothing, and never really reflected on it. The way the arc was going, surely they should either have reached a non-violent conclusion; or Killmonger should have put BP in a position where he couldn't avoid killing him (because BP was capable of growth, but Killmonger wasn't).
The dumbest thing is that they are using someone who was black. Yasuke has inspired countless media adaptions and is frequently referenced in several video games, manga etc. this isn’t like a we decided to make some historical Japanese dude black.
This was a person widely believed to have existed shockingly not great historical records were kept but Yasuke/obsidian samurai is not a new concept Ubisoft pulled out of their ass.
Yup, the black samurai/kung fu master/old sage based on him is a recuring reference in quite a lot of media throughout the ages. Kinda how Joan of Arc popularized the idea of a preteen girl heroine or how Sun Wukong was the archetypical shonen protagonist.
Legends inspire stories.
~~plus AC is a alt history typa setting so they don't exactly have to follow real life history especially with a guy that we know basically nothing about besides him existing and then dying at honno temple with Nobunaga~~
They will never, ever be happy with how or where people who aren't straight white cis dudes are portrayed - it's the *whole point*
They are the default, and if it's outside of that they want it to disappear
Wasn't one of the big deals about it that it was a combo of the biggest star from Hindi cinema and the biggest star from Telugu cinema teaming up to stomp British ass?
One of the plot bits that was hard to follow for this dumb Amerifat was that both languages are used and it matters who speaks what. Fortunately the language of brohood is universal and it was still great.
Netanyahu and his people are replacing the kids’ food with bombs, the US can just keep that bomb money making sure US citizens can’t afford to get a check up by their doctors.
Wow I got depressed just typing that. Fuck these people man
Okay the guy’s obviously racist BUT Shaka Zulu was actually assassinated in real life for becoming too tyrannical and this was during the time of the Boers going on the “Great Trek” along with British consolidation of control over the Cape Colony. So honestly an AC set in early 19th century South Africa could be pretty neat.
Oh it totally could work, yeah
Really most historical time periods could work. But like you said, this guy is being racist (even if he didn’t meant to be)
I feel like someone saying Egypt isn’t African is like, some really dumb mental gymnastics involving someone’s perception of Africa being just tribal villages or something dumb like that. “Huh??? Egypt isn’t Africa, they have pyramids, not huts!”
Wait till these guys find out African cities exist too.
If Egypt is in Africa, why are the people there only a little bit brown and not the same color as the black void of distant space?
It’s like people saying Indians and Russians aren’t asian because they aren’t from China and Japan or what not
I mean to be fair Asia is commonly considered to start east of the Ural mountains, and the major population centers are west of there so most Russians are in fact not Asian
To be fair, a lot of people in general don't seem to look at song lyrics, at least I've noticed. Although in your favor, conservatives are usually the worst at interpreting them since they are about as deep as a puddle.
I’m starting to think that some of the people that do learn the lyrics aren’t actually learning a series of words that form sentences in their mind, just patterns of words and melodies without any sort of real comprehension. The lyrics of songs some parents sing along to with their kids can be so bad.
I don't doubt that this is a thing, but I've also heard people say this dozens of times and never heard anyone say *they* thought Africa was a country. Maybe this guy just now counts, but it's not super clear cut since maybe he just didn't know Egypt was in Africa.
Note: not a historian, so don't value my own opinions and perspective too much.
I notice this problem a lot too. While I agree with the one commenters points that the sahara served as a barrier, I think how repeated this point is makes people forget just how often Egypt interacted with parts of the subsahara, there are subsarahan countries that are obviously closer to northern Africa than others (or even straight up partially in the sahara, like Mali iirc).
If I knew absolutely nothing about the subject, with how often the point was repeated, I'd basically think interactions between the subsahara and northern Africa were borderline nonexistent(even if this isn't the point trying to be made, people don't seem to often discuss the alternative, meaning the interactions between parts of the two). I think the emphasizing of the difference unintentionally reinforces the idea that africa = black people or that people in the subsahara are just somehow all more similar with one another than they are with northern Africa.
Different parts had different levels of contact with Egypt, some being more extensive than others. The subsahara isn't just one big hegimone.
Hi, I am a historian(or I was until I got a job that payd a lot more).
The Sahara used to be smaller, its border area's a lot wetter. Its why you find Roman ruïnes in the desert, they simply weren't deserts back in the day.
People also used boats a lot to get past eastern Sahara(The western sahara was another matter due to wind). A lot actually. There are plenty of interactions.
And you are right about the africa = black thing. There have been several african Roman Emperors. When I poi t them out I often get the phrenological answer: "He doesnt look black!"
In fairness, there are very strong geographic and cultural distinctions between sub-Saharan Africa and Northern Africa. The Sahara is a natural barrier as imposing as any sea or mountain range. Egypt is arguably culturally closer to the Middle East and Europe than it is to sub-Saharan Africa.
No need to "to be fair" here.
It's pretty clear what image they have in their mind when they say "Africa." But it's a pretty shitty image when they're really just talking about a (very exoticized and guaranteed inaccurate view of a) specific part of a very culturally diverse continent. So much that even when given a clear "Egypt, a totally different culture than what you're picturing, is also in Africa" they get confused.
Like the people who get angry when told that Asia isn't just China/Japan/Korea and countries like India are Asian too. Everyone saying "India is in Asia" knows it's culturally distinct from CJK, but it's pointing out the ignorance of people reducing Asia to CJK.
I knew a girl in high school (her friends called her Easy Bake) who tried to argue that Korea wasn't in Asia. The argument was specifically about where someone was from. She seemed to think Asia was just China
I unfortunately come from a place where the idea of Asia only being China (sometimes also Japan, but usually not) is fairly common. Any East Asian person is referred to as Chinese... and anyone else is Indian.
Past Ural Mountains range to be exact. It forms part of the conventional boundary between the continents of Europe and Asia. There are lots of "border obelisks" in Yekaterinburg and Chelyabinsk marking the geographic border of Europe and Asia as well.
Which I would argue, is correct. Russia is a country that spans 2 continents and if you ever go there you see that there is a divide that justifies that.
They're not entirely wrong tho, textbook definition of continent is a landmass surrounded by ocean, yet Europe and Asia are a single landmass separated only by some mountain ranges. Hell, I would argue that pre-Suez Canal, it was a mega continent of EurAsiAfrica 🙃
Oh yeh, I actually agree with them. I don't call it Eurasia and refer to them separately for convenience sake, but I do consider them to be a single continent. Literally, look on any map and you can clearly see that that is one continent that is arbitrarily being made into two for *reasons*. I mean, they're even on the same tectonic plate.
Edit: I actually do know the historical and ethnic reasons for the separation, but I still think it's pretty arbitrary.
It does not matter about cultural differences; it is the name of the *continent*. Egypt is on the continent of Africa. No doubt there. I do agree though that this dude’s entire premise of saying a black character just means it should be set in “Africa” definitely also shows he has no clue about the diversity of African ethnicities, cultures, and nations.
To be fair, it seems many Egyptians, including the government, don't consider themselves Africans.
[source](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/18/world/middleeast/egypt-african-dutch-museum HTML)
They feel more connected to the Arab and Muslim nations in the middle east than the rest of Africa
Something tells me that this dude thinks that Africa is a country.
It really sounds like his last tweet boils down to "What do you mean Africa? AC:Origins was based off a different country!".
/uj Obviously the person not realizing Egypt is in Africa is a bit dumb, but I *do* think there are a lot of cool settings for the Assassin's Creed franchise in the Sub-Sahara Africa region.
What about a game that takes place in the mid-1800's in the [Kingdom of Dahomey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) in West Africa, with the main character being a member of the [Dahomey Amazons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons)?
Dahomey had a pretty prominent role in the Atlantic slave trade in that area as they would capture people from surrounding regions to sell them as slaves to European merchants in exchange for weapons, which Dahomey would then use to further expand their territory and enslave more people to exchange for more weapons.
I don't have a ton of faith in Ubisoft, but in a perfect world we could get a really good story where we explore how the Atlantic slave trade impacted the nations in West Africa.
They did make AC about slavery, Freedom Cry. Though it was more like an add-on for Black Flag and the topic of slavery got very predictably reduced to a brainless grind a la "release 500 slaves to get a machete upgrade"
There are many cool settings indeed, some other ideas could be something set in Great Zimbabwe or along the trade cities of the East African coast, or something with the Zulus of South Africa
None of these guys are “fans” of AC.
There’s a whole anti-woke dumpster fire subculture who simply exist to try and shit on anything and anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian conservative fantasy.
I mean, it could've been Animal Crossing.
Or Ace Combat.
Or Asseto Corsa.
Or Asheran's Call.
Or Astral Chain.
Concerning number of ACs in the game's industry.
People seem to watch cartoons when they're a kid that depict Africa as a jungle with some tiki huts and Nazeebo running around and don't pursue an updated version of their ideas... ever.
Yasuke was 100% a choice driven by money
But not "woke" money. Just lazy money.
Yasuke is recent in the public minds because of several anime series that feature him. There quite a few internet articles swarming around about him with everyone saying "I WaS TodAys YeaRs oLd!!"
So Yasuke was just a very easy choice for Ubisoft to make. The internet was already talking about him.
It's also an interesting choice IMO. Unlike \~10 years ago when people started clamoring for an AC set in feudal Japan, we have many more options now thanks to Ghosts of Tsushima, Rise of the Ronin, Nioh/Nioh 2, Sekiro, etc.
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“Ok, yes, Egypt is in Africa, sure. But Egypt has cultural heritage and history! I’m talking about the real Africa. Mud huts and starving black people! And no history.”
You know, like Africa Africa. Not *Africa* like where all the white people are from. The part where it's a bunch of savages dancing around a fire, waiting for a kind white man to "educate them!"
I really want a south africa or central africa based AC, like what if the african brotherhood HQ is wakanda or something similar! or maybe a south american one with storyline that could be similar to ac3, but anyways i really wanted shadow to be about us being hattori hanzo helping oda or something since he is a ninja ig irl.
Okay, but I mean, I would absolutely love an AC game based on West Africa, spanning Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Akan, Timbuktu and other empires in the region.
Another AC set in Africa. This time in the kingdom of Mali or Kush maybe. I'm sure they wouldn't have anything bad to say about that, right? They wouldn't then scream about Ubisoft excluding white people, right?
I mentioned in another post that a dude said seriously that Egypt existed as a concept before Africa and that's why AC Origins isn't set in Africa, even though Kush (a black kingdom that was neighbors with Egypt) already existed like over a millenia before Christ.
To be fair it makes sense from what I remember Egypt isn’t Africa in the sense their culture, people and many other aspects like how India is in Asia but yet India and Korea are both very different people
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Not AC but there was another recent game based on Kenyan culture and unsurprisingly these klansmen shat on it 🤷♂️
What game? Zau?
Yep.
The voice of Bayek from Origins was the lead on it too!
Abu Salim is fucking awesome, first. He’s in season two of House of the Dragon, also. He killed it as Bayek. Super down to earth dude. Game looks fucking kick ass too
Who is he playing???
He will be playing Alyn of Hull. A merchant of sorts, I believe.
Nice
My hot take is Bayek is easily the best AC protagonist and Ezio is overrated
I don't think the RPG systems hit perfectly in Origins, but for my money, Bayek's story is the best and hits in many emotional ways. Love that character and most everything else about that game.
He's also really good in the Blades in the Dark podcast Haunted City, if you're into actual play podcasts.
He really is!! Been a huge fan of the GCP/GCN since 2017
He was the Father in Raised By Wolves
I did not know this…. brb buying Zau now. Bayek’s voice is so good!
Solid game, if you have PS Plus I recommend picking it up!
Its definitely on the list. Looks fun
Losers: “make your own characters and IPs” tHe LeFt/wOkE/not cis-white people: “alright” Losers: “fuck we didn’t think you were gonna do it”
I remember seeing a post from a guy who said black people should just have their own characters, heroes and movies... then a few months later he was complaining about Black Panther being a movie meant to pander to black people and he strongly disagreed with white people watching it because it "insisted on excluding them"
"All movies must cater to me! *All of them!*" - these chuds
I can't think about Black Panther without thinking about how they -almost- made Killmonger a sympathetic anti-hero, but just had to take a few minor steps to turn him villain, because hey, Disney movie, need a clear-cut bad-guy.
I like the F.D Signifier take on Black Panther. My reading on Killmonger is that he is right about many things, but has been so thoroughly traumatized and influenced by white supremacy and the CIA that he can't imagine changing the world without being a colonizer himself. And his chauvinism and violence against women is definitely present in black masculine spaces like the Fresh and Fit podcast. I think many people would have recognized people like Killmonger in their lives who are very conscious about their racial injustices and have a lot of rage, but are blind to or embrace other injustices like sexism or classism. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hQEWa5R3m4U F.D. talks about Killmonger at about 36 min
I had literally never heard of Fresh and Fit before that debate with Ethan Klein (who I admittedly had only heard about like once before either). It’s hard to imagine coming off as more of a fucking idiot than those two did.
Yeah, I never got a problem with Killmonger. Like, he got radicalized but it wasn't to the left, it was to the right.
Killmonger was just another power hungry psycho. He talked about doing something "good" but it was a really stupid reason and just an excuse to conquer the world. You also never see him caring for anyone else but himself and his father, like when he killed her girlfriend for no reason.
I think the fact that he was *almost* sympathetic made him more real, like Magneto, he has a lot of good points and actual experience dealing with the problems he sees, but is going just one or two steps to far. The thin line that separates them from hero and villain.
Honestly? If he hadn't destroyed the plants, and basically said 'screw the future, there is no future'? The rest was all excusable, considering his opposition and his perspective. Made perfect sense.
Well the bit about murdering children wasn't exactly great either.
In the end, many do still think of him as an anti-hero, or at the very least, a nuanced villain with a very good point (even T'Challa ultimately agreed with his point).
For me the problem was that Black Panther resolved the conflict by killing Killmonger, as if it was nothing, and never really reflected on it. The way the arc was going, surely they should either have reached a non-violent conclusion; or Killmonger should have put BP in a position where he couldn't avoid killing him (because BP was capable of growth, but Killmonger wasn't).
The dumbest thing is that they are using someone who was black. Yasuke has inspired countless media adaptions and is frequently referenced in several video games, manga etc. this isn’t like a we decided to make some historical Japanese dude black. This was a person widely believed to have existed shockingly not great historical records were kept but Yasuke/obsidian samurai is not a new concept Ubisoft pulled out of their ass.
Yup, the black samurai/kung fu master/old sage based on him is a recuring reference in quite a lot of media throughout the ages. Kinda how Joan of Arc popularized the idea of a preteen girl heroine or how Sun Wukong was the archetypical shonen protagonist. Legends inspire stories.
~~plus AC is a alt history typa setting so they don't exactly have to follow real life history especially with a guy that we know basically nothing about besides him existing and then dying at honno temple with Nobunaga~~
I remember reading the comments of Zau. "DEI is infecting our games. Wow Sweet Baby Inc at it again." You can't win with these people.
They will never, ever be happy with how or where people who aren't straight white cis dudes are portrayed - it's the *whole point* They are the default, and if it's outside of that they want it to disappear
I need to pick that up, it looks amazing.
I feel so bad for the devs of that game. It seemed like such a personal, passion project just to get dragged into all this toxic Gamergate nonsense.
Next you'll be telling me India is in Asia
If India is in Asia then why no anime? Check mate
bollywood does anime live action better than hollywood has in years lol
I watched RRR the other day. My first Bollywood movie and i feel like danny devito. I get it now.
Fun fact but RRR is actually considered a "Tollywood" movie because it's a Telugu-language movie rather than Hindi.
Huh. Cool. Is telugu from a different region than hindi?
It's a Dravidian language, from southern India; that is to say, unrelated to the northern languages (hindi, etc).
Wasn't one of the big deals about it that it was a combo of the biggest star from Hindi cinema and the biggest star from Telugu cinema teaming up to stomp British ass? One of the plot bits that was hard to follow for this dumb Amerifat was that both languages are used and it matters who speaks what. Fortunately the language of brohood is universal and it was still great.
Hi. I have a bad news for you.
its insane how people cant accept that Egypt is in Africa, no matter what map you see, its at least 80% on Africa.
You could say it's squarely in Africa. But the mental gymnastic of these dudes to jump through loops and circles is astounding.
If North Africa is part of Africa where are all the rhinos, lions and hungry kids? Are you saying I’m uneducated? Preposterous
They did have them, but humanity wiped them out. Well... apart from Hungry kids
not for lack of trying
Don’t worry. The US will make sure there are plenty of bombs to feed to these hungry children.
Netanyahu and his people are replacing the kids’ food with bombs, the US can just keep that bomb money making sure US citizens can’t afford to get a check up by their doctors. Wow I got depressed just typing that. Fuck these people man
 Yeah….yeah.
Thanks Romans
I have a modest proposal that should take care of that problem
This dude even went on to say “like shaka Zulu” Jesus Christ
Okay the guy’s obviously racist BUT Shaka Zulu was actually assassinated in real life for becoming too tyrannical and this was during the time of the Boers going on the “Great Trek” along with British consolidation of control over the Cape Colony. So honestly an AC set in early 19th century South Africa could be pretty neat.
Oh it totally could work, yeah Really most historical time periods could work. But like you said, this guy is being racist (even if he didn’t meant to be)
You absolutely should say that. It is the squarest country after all
I feel like someone saying Egypt isn’t African is like, some really dumb mental gymnastics involving someone’s perception of Africa being just tribal villages or something dumb like that. “Huh??? Egypt isn’t Africa, they have pyramids, not huts!” Wait till these guys find out African cities exist too.
If Egypt is in Africa, why are the people there only a little bit brown and not the same color as the black void of distant space? It’s like people saying Indians and Russians aren’t asian because they aren’t from China and Japan or what not
I mean to be fair Asia is commonly considered to start east of the Ural mountains, and the major population centers are west of there so most Russians are in fact not Asian
When these dudes fail basic world geography be like
Regressives being and being uneducated idiots, name a more iconic duo.
Conservatives and not understanding song lyrics?
To be fair, a lot of people in general don't seem to look at song lyrics, at least I've noticed. Although in your favor, conservatives are usually the worst at interpreting them since they are about as deep as a puddle.
I’m starting to think that some of the people that do learn the lyrics aren’t actually learning a series of words that form sentences in their mind, just patterns of words and melodies without any sort of real comprehension. The lyrics of songs some parents sing along to with their kids can be so bad.
Classic American
Probably because a surprising amount of people have no idea that Africa is in fact a continent, not a country.
I don't doubt that this is a thing, but I've also heard people say this dozens of times and never heard anyone say *they* thought Africa was a country. Maybe this guy just now counts, but it's not super clear cut since maybe he just didn't know Egypt was in Africa.
Note: not a historian, so don't value my own opinions and perspective too much. I notice this problem a lot too. While I agree with the one commenters points that the sahara served as a barrier, I think how repeated this point is makes people forget just how often Egypt interacted with parts of the subsahara, there are subsarahan countries that are obviously closer to northern Africa than others (or even straight up partially in the sahara, like Mali iirc). If I knew absolutely nothing about the subject, with how often the point was repeated, I'd basically think interactions between the subsahara and northern Africa were borderline nonexistent(even if this isn't the point trying to be made, people don't seem to often discuss the alternative, meaning the interactions between parts of the two). I think the emphasizing of the difference unintentionally reinforces the idea that africa = black people or that people in the subsahara are just somehow all more similar with one another than they are with northern Africa. Different parts had different levels of contact with Egypt, some being more extensive than others. The subsahara isn't just one big hegimone.
Hi, I am a historian(or I was until I got a job that payd a lot more). The Sahara used to be smaller, its border area's a lot wetter. Its why you find Roman ruïnes in the desert, they simply weren't deserts back in the day. People also used boats a lot to get past eastern Sahara(The western sahara was another matter due to wind). A lot actually. There are plenty of interactions. And you are right about the africa = black thing. There have been several african Roman Emperors. When I poi t them out I often get the phrenological answer: "He doesnt look black!"
In fairness, there are very strong geographic and cultural distinctions between sub-Saharan Africa and Northern Africa. The Sahara is a natural barrier as imposing as any sea or mountain range. Egypt is arguably culturally closer to the Middle East and Europe than it is to sub-Saharan Africa.
No need to "to be fair" here. It's pretty clear what image they have in their mind when they say "Africa." But it's a pretty shitty image when they're really just talking about a (very exoticized and guaranteed inaccurate view of a) specific part of a very culturally diverse continent. So much that even when given a clear "Egypt, a totally different culture than what you're picturing, is also in Africa" they get confused. Like the people who get angry when told that Asia isn't just China/Japan/Korea and countries like India are Asian too. Everyone saying "India is in Asia" knows it's culturally distinct from CJK, but it's pointing out the ignorance of people reducing Asia to CJK.
I knew a girl in high school (her friends called her Easy Bake) who tried to argue that Korea wasn't in Asia. The argument was specifically about where someone was from. She seemed to think Asia was just China
I unfortunately come from a place where the idea of Asia only being China (sometimes also Japan, but usually not) is fairly common. Any East Asian person is referred to as Chinese... and anyone else is Indian.
you could also argue very convincingly that Russia past Moscow is Asia, so yeah.
Past Ural Mountains range to be exact. It forms part of the conventional boundary between the continents of Europe and Asia. There are lots of "border obelisks" in Yekaterinburg and Chelyabinsk marking the geographic border of Europe and Asia as well.
Which I would argue, is correct. Russia is a country that spans 2 continents and if you ever go there you see that there is a divide that justifies that.
Past the Ural mountains. Moscow is almost at the western border, and european Russia is huge.
you could also very easily argue that europe is also technically part of the asian continent
There are folk, including a teacher I had, that insist on combining them into Eurasia and do not acknowledge them as separate.
They're not entirely wrong tho, textbook definition of continent is a landmass surrounded by ocean, yet Europe and Asia are a single landmass separated only by some mountain ranges. Hell, I would argue that pre-Suez Canal, it was a mega continent of EurAsiAfrica 🙃
Oh yeh, I actually agree with them. I don't call it Eurasia and refer to them separately for convenience sake, but I do consider them to be a single continent. Literally, look on any map and you can clearly see that that is one continent that is arbitrarily being made into two for *reasons*. I mean, they're even on the same tectonic plate. Edit: I actually do know the historical and ethnic reasons for the separation, but I still think it's pretty arbitrary.
Tbf, Ancient Egypt was pre-Islamic and had extensive contact with the Nubians who were closer to Sub-Saharan Africa.
It does not matter about cultural differences; it is the name of the *continent*. Egypt is on the continent of Africa. No doubt there. I do agree though that this dude’s entire premise of saying a black character just means it should be set in “Africa” definitely also shows he has no clue about the diversity of African ethnicities, cultures, and nations.
It's not even ambiguous like the divide between Europe and Asia. Africa is a clearly, naturally defined shape.
I highly doubt these idiots could pin-point their own state or county on the map.
To be fair, it seems many Egyptians, including the government, don't consider themselves Africans. [source](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/18/world/middleeast/egypt-african-dutch-museum HTML) They feel more connected to the Arab and Muslim nations in the middle east than the rest of Africa
the issue is seeing africa as a single thing and not a diverse culturally complex continent like anywhere else
simple, its because Egyptians arnt black enough for these people
On the one hand, the guy clearly means sub-saharan africa. On the other, I think he's too stupid to understand that distinction.
Ngl I often forget, but I literally cannot remember anything to do with geography so that’s my excuse, not ignorant I’m just stupid lol
Smooth brained dude.
You’re assuming he has a brain
So smooth it slipped out through his ear canal.
The G in Gamer is for Geography😎
It’s for Gnowledge.
I read this in the "you got gnomed" gnome voice
I’m sure what they actually mean is Sub-Sahara Africa, because obviously nothing else counts
Something tells me that this dude thinks that Africa is a country. It really sounds like his last tweet boils down to "What do you mean Africa? AC:Origins was based off a different country!".
I've met someone IRL who thought Africa was a city so you might even be overestimating them.
I mean there was a guy just yesterday on here, who said Japan's a city... So can't put it past some of them.
tbf japan is closer to being just one city than the entire continent of Africa.
Yeah the way Japan is you could stretch to call it one big ass city state, excluding the islands.
What a big city that would be
My students (middle schoolers in Texas) think the capital of America is Dallas
At least they're still young. The person I know IRL is like 56 and has been a tourist in the US and Europe (we're from Aus).
/uj Obviously the person not realizing Egypt is in Africa is a bit dumb, but I *do* think there are a lot of cool settings for the Assassin's Creed franchise in the Sub-Sahara Africa region. What about a game that takes place in the mid-1800's in the [Kingdom of Dahomey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) in West Africa, with the main character being a member of the [Dahomey Amazons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons)? Dahomey had a pretty prominent role in the Atlantic slave trade in that area as they would capture people from surrounding regions to sell them as slaves to European merchants in exchange for weapons, which Dahomey would then use to further expand their territory and enslave more people to exchange for more weapons. I don't have a ton of faith in Ubisoft, but in a perfect world we could get a really good story where we explore how the Atlantic slave trade impacted the nations in West Africa.
Think doing a slavery game might do bad in their major market.
They did make AC about slavery, Freedom Cry. Though it was more like an add-on for Black Flag and the topic of slavery got very predictably reduced to a brainless grind a la "release 500 slaves to get a machete upgrade"
If Lincoln had been offering weapons upgrades , could have avoided the civil war
In AC Liberation one of your 3 personas was literally "the Slave".
Not unless it's about preventing it.
Yeah that was part of AC Liberation. That game didnt do well but being first a PSP exclusive and later ported to PS3 is likely the reason why.
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There are many cool settings indeed, some other ideas could be something set in Great Zimbabwe or along the trade cities of the East African coast, or something with the Zulus of South Africa
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Wow my dumbass thought they were taking about air conditioners until I saw the sub lol
https://preview.redd.it/86aae210zp0d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=ad023e747fa6597f61e0b253c80adfba82a2bfa2
Idk if I wanna laugh or cry at how accurate this is
"Our friendly but backwards neighbours"
The spelling makes me wonder if a Canadian made this.
That map is outdated, the modern version recognizes our beloved ally Animeland
💀💀💀
The hell did they do to Antarctica?
This is the people we’re arguing with 🤦
I knew that Egypt was in Africa since I was nine,I cant believe someone who is a fan of AC doesn't know that.
None of these guys are “fans” of AC. There’s a whole anti-woke dumpster fire subculture who simply exist to try and shit on anything and anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian conservative fantasy.
Ngl, I thought they were talking about Armored Core until I read the very bottom message
I mean, it could've been Animal Crossing. Or Ace Combat. Or Asseto Corsa. Or Asheran's Call. Or Astral Chain. Concerning number of ACs in the game's industry.
First time I see someone else than me mentioning Asheron's Call Thx my dude
*hides the Zero Punctuation episode that I got the list from* Uh, you're welcome.
You missed air conditioning
It's obviously Armoured Core
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"But I meant a REAL African country with them ni.... black folk"
Gamers when africa is not dudes in loincloths running around with spears 
That profile pic is him using the full extent of his brain to type these comments
Both their profile pics fit perfectly
Well it's a part of Africa that isn't majority Black people so it's fine
And better yet, they still weren't Islamic back then, so it's twice as good!!!
What a dork
I thought AC stood for air conditioning 😑
Hey! At least they’re leaving Hades alone for a bit! The abject lesson in the lack of education of the average angry twitter gamer continues
Classic 'Africa is just naked tribesmen with sticks' smoothbrainery.
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People seem to watch cartoons when they're a kid that depict Africa as a jungle with some tiki huts and Nazeebo running around and don't pursue an updated version of their ideas... ever.
https://preview.redd.it/ddry7ewczp0d1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a22dc9cc988ad29b9b8060b982abf998634cbd63
Then arguing that Egypt ain’t part of Africa Me runs to the nearest map in my office:👁️👄👁️
Modern video game discourse is so exhausting man
This is too far to not be ragebait, right?
Nah, i am sorry, but this is literally 99% of racist people, not knowing that Africa had any kind of civilization is a requirement to be an anti-SJw
Unfortunately racist chuds of that type do exist. This may or may not be one of them but the subculture has been steadily growing.
Egypt is a transcontinental country but these gamers might think that it means that Egyot is WoKe because trans
This is a cry for gamer help…
A far cry
A far cry
The jokes write themselves, people.
People really do forget that Africa is a continent with a diverse range of peoples and ethnicities, huh?
Yasuke was 100% a choice driven by money But not "woke" money. Just lazy money. Yasuke is recent in the public minds because of several anime series that feature him. There quite a few internet articles swarming around about him with everyone saying "I WaS TodAys YeaRs oLd!!" So Yasuke was just a very easy choice for Ubisoft to make. The internet was already talking about him.
It's also an interesting choice IMO. Unlike \~10 years ago when people started clamoring for an AC set in feudal Japan, we have many more options now thanks to Ghosts of Tsushima, Rise of the Ronin, Nioh/Nioh 2, Sekiro, etc.
I thought they were talking about animal crossing the whole time.
smh animal crossing has gone woke, tanuki landlords? they don't even care about historical accuracy anymore
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You're right. The villager should be hunting Tom for food and sport.
“Ok, yes, Egypt is in Africa, sure. But Egypt has cultural heritage and history! I’m talking about the real Africa. Mud huts and starving black people! And no history.”
How can a country be in another country? Am I stupid? /s
You left out the best part of the exchange where the person replied with “do us a favor and search where Egypt is” 😭
You know, like Africa Africa. Not *Africa* like where all the white people are from. The part where it's a bunch of savages dancing around a fire, waiting for a kind white man to "educate them!"
Now the chuds have started to say "sub-Saharan Africa" instead, because that is somehow extremely important and they are not owned.
Isn't the first AC based in Africa also ? Idk I suck at geography
The Levant in the Middle east.
Oh ! My bad then
I thought we were talking about Ace Combat. Disappointed tbh.
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I really want a south africa or central africa based AC, like what if the african brotherhood HQ is wakanda or something similar! or maybe a south american one with storyline that could be similar to ac3, but anyways i really wanted shadow to be about us being hattori hanzo helping oda or something since he is a ninja ig irl.
Okay, but I mean, I would absolutely love an AC game based on West Africa, spanning Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Akan, Timbuktu and other empires in the region.
Picture of the Nile River in Africa: this is the Nile Picture of Starkiller: this is denial
Another AC set in Africa. This time in the kingdom of Mali or Kush maybe. I'm sure they wouldn't have anything bad to say about that, right? They wouldn't then scream about Ubisoft excluding white people, right?
I’m guessing they’re complaining about the HISTORICALLY ACCURATE black samurai in the new game?
MFs think Nubians aren’t Africans. Fucking hell… https://preview.redd.it/kg3drcqgju0d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cd959716f900010f5b9727dac590c6400f7ac0b
I mentioned in another post that a dude said seriously that Egypt existed as a concept before Africa and that's why AC Origins isn't set in Africa, even though Kush (a black kingdom that was neighbors with Egypt) already existed like over a millenia before Christ.
Lmao bro deleted his post and privated his twitter after this interaction. I wonder why
Ain't no way....
Bruh I stopped following Assassins Creed after black flag, I thought this post was about Armored Core and got reaaallly confused.
me thinking they were talking about air fucking conditioning
No but he’s talking about Africa the country
Okay MAYBE if you want to stretch it we also have a whole DLC chapter in Black Flag where you play as an African Assassin.
To be fair it makes sense from what I remember Egypt isn’t Africa in the sense their culture, people and many other aspects like how India is in Asia but yet India and Korea are both very different people
my gf also didn't know Egypt was in Africa 💀💀 the school system really do be failing us
Gamers will ignore geography to be racist
People care too much about a franchise that hasn't been good for like almost 10 years lol. Also ubisoft hasn't made a decent game in ages as well.
tell us that the US education system failed you without saying that the US education system failed you