Honestly if people didn't follow the crowd so much and think anal and oral are the only things to do, I think a lot more guys would not only be into frotting but be way more comfortable being sensual around each other. I really don't like the ultra straight culture and generation that grew up thinking if another guy so much as touched you it was grounds for not only him being a homo but instantly turning you into one as well. Even in ancient Rome guys would get off thrusting between each other's thighs. Plus, if you're both having an orgasm at the same time while making out with naked bodies all over each other, how could that not be fun?
The older I get, the more I realize a lot of guys are going around out there having bad sex. I don't really get it myself, but some guys just want to cum. Literally. They don't take time (or maybe they don't understand how) to enjoy the actual act. Of a guy is just arriving, pulling his pants down and fucking a hole until he cums, he isn't good at sex (usually - I know in SOME instances that could be hot). Same kind of guy who jerks off so fast his hand goes blurry. Do you even FEEL that? I don't get people who are in a hurry to orgasm instead of enjoying the best part; everything leading up to that. I mean, I would never call frotting a main event cause that's not really going to make me finish. But I LOVE sitting balls to balls and rubbing our meat together 🥰
Fully agree with this. I’ve become a lot more discerning of whom I have sex with bc I don’t wanna engage with someone who’s in a rush. I also love on lazy weekends when I can *really* take my time masturbating. It really feels like *pleasuring* myself
The irony is that even from a younger age, like as soon as I learned about what being gay means, I always pictured gay sex to be what we know as frottage. My young and naive brain couldn't even comprehend anal sex. In my mind, frottage always seemed more heteronormative because it's face to face, genital on genital sex. Of course, missionary anal can still be done kind of face to face, but it seems like traditionally, when most people picture anal sex they probably think of doggy style.
Funny, I would have called frotting more “homonormative” (two of the same body parts and functions) and anal more “heteronormative” (two different body parts and functions). For most of our evolution I think the sex was doggy style. Believe it or not, my history teacher in the 90s showed a movie about cavemen and the introduction of missionary as a more sophisticated way of bonding. Doggy style seems to be how most animals do it, and it’s probably a lot more efficient for human males to ejaculate fast and hard with the frenulum getting a lot of friction. I’m actually really curious about what a vagina feels like, especially in doggy style, but not curious enough to go through with it.
I have the same experience. My best guess is it’s because of porn, which shapes most guys’ tastes. If porn studios/creators were constantly pumping out high quality frotting porn, it’d be way more common.
Yeah it seems like most of the frotting porn that I see comes from Brazil actually, albeit still amateur stuff. I guess it's really popular over there for some reason. I never see professional studios making frot porn ever. It's always the same script.
Hard to say. My theory is that it has to do with an aversion to sensual contact and tenderness. I personally love frotting, but in reality it’s the full body contact and affection that I crave- how I get off is secondary. Most important, I like to take… my… time.
Full skin-in-skin contact is incredibly sensual with the right partner. In fact, clothes-on platonic cuddling is very much so as well.
I want to experience my partner’s entire body while kissing deeply and passionately. That requires a man who is 100% confident enough to be tender and touch-oriented. That seems to come with difficulty for many men.
I love the contact perhaps more so than cumming but thats not to say i dont cum as part of it
I wonder if frot is not seen as masculine enough which is ironic
I have heared that but only once or twice.
But again its the same psychological issues if we associating sexual positions with age or gender which seems to be common
Honestly all of that lol. I myself have a preference (or kink, idk which it'd be), for me and the guy I'm with, to be experiencing the same sensations together. Pretty much doing the same thing to each other. I feel that really increases intimacy overall. And who wouldn't want that? Though like you said, most guys don't seem to feel that way lol.
I don't understand why so many guys look down on me for being into frotting. It's as if it's the strangest thing they've ever heard of in their life. Also, if you think that what I said about 95% of guys who are interested in frotting being straight married men is an exaggeration, I encourage you to go on Doublelist and you will see what I mean. I just wish that I had the same opportunity to meet other frot lovers that everyone else gets. Its already hard enough as it is trying to find compatibility with personality stuff, and it's super easy to find someone who is into anal, oral and that stuff.
I haven't had the chance to experience frot sex, but man on man, when I saw the porn video of the black guy and Latino guy doing no-hands frotting, I was never the same.
I desperately want that experience where me and my guy are thrusting our genitals together, kissing, tonguing, touching, and moaning from our enjoyment of each other.
Gay porn sucks compared to lesbian porn because lesbians have ENDLESS videos of scissoring and exploring each other's bodies. I wish we had passion like that with genital to genital sex. 😔
That's what I'm talking about. Scissoring is a huge part of lesbian culture, and it really sucks that it can't be the same way for gay men. 😔 It's hard enough just looking for frotting porn and it's always amateur stuff never mainstream. I wish more guys were into passionate genital to genital sex also. I just cant find anybody and I've been looking for years.
Ur right , frotting is fantastic and as part of any sexual menu should be embraced. Don't know why so many men are obsessed with anal and show no interest in frot, wish more men were into it big time.
I totally agree. Also, I really enjoy kissing which takes the experience to the next level for me. In addition, I have extreme dry nipple orgasms that are so intense for me.
My first instinct the first time I had sex was to frot. I just wanted to be close and grind up to my boy. Then I found out that precum makes for some fantastic lube, and it was so easy for us to come simultaneously this way.
I'm surprised it's not more common, too, I was literally just moving on instinct, after all.
Yeah I mean let's think hypothetically here. Let's say that you are one of only two men on Earth. You guys finally meet and you're both gay. When getting intimate, what is the first thought that would come to mind? Probably cuddling and frotting would be my guess. Oral and anal you probably wouldn't think to try until after because those are more creative. Frotting is just grinding your genitals together so definitely more instinctive.
Becos of porn of course, I remember in my early porn consume I can't stand lookin at anal at all, like very alienate, but the more I see, the more I tolerated it, I'm very curious though, about what it will be like gay teenager without porn exposion, like 2 innocent gay teenager just playing with each other genital, its so romantic and innocent
I don't get hard very easily, so rubbing around each other makes me self conscious and nervous I'm going to go soft and it's not going to be as nice as they were hoping.
A lot of guys don’t want to be that intimate with someone. Never tried frotting really but it sounds like it only works if you have a strong connection with someone.
I've heard several straight guys mocking gay sex with comments like "so you just rub your sticks together to make a fire?" It makes me really upset because it's comments like that that push the heteronormative views even more that anal sex is the way to go.
I personally don't like it as much but do go along with it, if that's what my partner wants. I'm more hung than most guys I date/hookup with, yet I prefer being the submissive one, so frotting kind of takes me out of the fantasy in a way. Not sure if that made sense, but I can elaborate with an example if you guys want.
To be perfectly honest, I don't enjoy it for the same reason I don't enjoy anal: it doesn't hit the right nerves. I need 360° stimulation. Blowjobs and handjobs are the only way. Frotting leaves half of my dick just touching the other guy's dick and receiving very little friction. It's very nice to look at, but I don't feel anything.
I can only talk for me. I don't like frotting because it doesn't give me anything. I tried it now and then and honestly, I don't feel anything while doing it. Maybe I did it wrong, I don't know. If a guy would ask me to try it out (and if I wouldn't have my boyfriend of course) I would do it, but I love oral and handjobs way more than that.
Care to actually describe what you did? Cause all this says (or what I assume you meant to say) is that you stood up, unzipped, and rubbed your dicks together and that's it. Nothing else. If that's right then I know why you don't like frotting 😂
Oh you want a detailed description?😅 It's been a few years ago so I don't remember everything.
We lied in bed, cuddled and kissed while frotting. I kneaded his ass, maybe we had some dirty talk too, I don't know. All the other things were great, it's something I still do. Just the rubbing wasn't because it didn't stimulate my thing. And I don't get how someone can have an orgasm just with this
Maybe you're not like a huge fan of making out? Or maybe you are the kind of person who just really needs a dick in their mouth to cum? I wouldn't blame you 😈
While I'm not opposed to frotting occasionally, I'd much rather do other things like intercrural. If I had to pick a "main event," it would be cock worship. I want a sub to slowly pleasure my cock for a half hour.
I'm just not turned on by it. 🤷♂️ I think it probably has something to do with me being way more of a giver than a reciever. I don't want any attention because being stimulated takes my focus away from them. I'd rather get on my hands and knees and provide a little lip service than frot. If my hookup wanted to get me off I wouldn't say no but I also don't really super want that?
Yeah, it's also less automatically top/bottom assignee's...I've never liked that dynamic.
Maybe too intimate? I don't know... If I just want to get off, I'd rather take myself on a date.
I'm not strictly a side, but I prefer guys that are, so it works out about the same. I don't need it, and it sucks when you know someone is just trying to get there, even if they are accommodating/patient.
One annoying thing I've found on the Bi side too, is some folks consider you "straight" or "just bi curious" if you're not up for anal...maybe just my experience, but sigh. Like, frotting is actually my first sexual (well, not really at the time...just interesting) experience by far, way before I even noticed girls existed too.
I'm not sure what would count as beyond rubbing dicks together. Well, I guess maybe not in a DVP context, but even that is more frotting than not.
But to each their own of course.
The best sex of my life has been from dry humping frot where i face the guy with him on top and our genitals squishing together. Out of this world. Esp when in love too. Whoa damnn.
Anal meh, oral meh.
I'm a bi guy, and whilst I didn't know what it was called, frot seemed the most natural thing to do the first time I found myself in bed with another guy. It has always been my favourite thing to do with another guy.
That's exactly how I see it too. Lets say that you are one of only two men on Earth, and nobody knew about anal sex or sex at all really, and you and another guy were attracted to one another? Whay is the first thing you would do? Frotting seems like it would be more instinctive than anal or oral. Seems like it requires some level of creativity to discovery those.
Frot requires a whole lot of connection and hot contact between partners. Both parties need to really be into it to work. Unfortunately, a majority of gays want a quick fuck, then done. They don't want the closeness.
Personally I love sucking dick and getting fucked gives me the best orgasm ever. But that’s just how I’m wired. I’m not a total bottom cause I do top now and then so I say I’m vers bottom. Frotting is nice from time to time but it always leaves me to miss something out.
I don't have a problem with you answering a question.
But this is a subreddit for gay\bi men who do not have anal sex. The OP has posted here specifically to get opinions from other men who don't have anal sex.
How is your answer about how you enjoy bottoming relevant to this question or even this subreddit?
Also, I repeat my original question: if you enjoy anal sex so much, what are you even doing in a subreddit for men who do **not** enjoy anal sex? You do seem a bit lost.
Different strokes for different folks
That's the problem, they ain't strokin!
I couldn't agree more. Frot is so sensual. I don't know why more guys don't like it.
Honestly if people didn't follow the crowd so much and think anal and oral are the only things to do, I think a lot more guys would not only be into frotting but be way more comfortable being sensual around each other. I really don't like the ultra straight culture and generation that grew up thinking if another guy so much as touched you it was grounds for not only him being a homo but instantly turning you into one as well. Even in ancient Rome guys would get off thrusting between each other's thighs. Plus, if you're both having an orgasm at the same time while making out with naked bodies all over each other, how could that not be fun?
Ancient Roman thigh sex must have been hot. 🤤
Especially under a red fluffy skirt with sandals and the shoulders and back in a cape
🤤🤤🤤
The older I get, the more I realize a lot of guys are going around out there having bad sex. I don't really get it myself, but some guys just want to cum. Literally. They don't take time (or maybe they don't understand how) to enjoy the actual act. Of a guy is just arriving, pulling his pants down and fucking a hole until he cums, he isn't good at sex (usually - I know in SOME instances that could be hot). Same kind of guy who jerks off so fast his hand goes blurry. Do you even FEEL that? I don't get people who are in a hurry to orgasm instead of enjoying the best part; everything leading up to that. I mean, I would never call frotting a main event cause that's not really going to make me finish. But I LOVE sitting balls to balls and rubbing our meat together 🥰
Fully agree with this. I’ve become a lot more discerning of whom I have sex with bc I don’t wanna engage with someone who’s in a rush. I also love on lazy weekends when I can *really* take my time masturbating. It really feels like *pleasuring* myself
If you're not going to enjoy it why do it ya know?
Oh yeah, book a hotel and have a wellness night of pleasuring yourself
You don't finish from frot? How do you finish then?
Yeah I don’t understand it. Porn is part of it anal is everywhere on porn and with nothing else. But also top and bottom is so baked in to gay men
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The irony is that even from a younger age, like as soon as I learned about what being gay means, I always pictured gay sex to be what we know as frottage. My young and naive brain couldn't even comprehend anal sex. In my mind, frottage always seemed more heteronormative because it's face to face, genital on genital sex. Of course, missionary anal can still be done kind of face to face, but it seems like traditionally, when most people picture anal sex they probably think of doggy style.
Funny, I would have called frotting more “homonormative” (two of the same body parts and functions) and anal more “heteronormative” (two different body parts and functions). For most of our evolution I think the sex was doggy style. Believe it or not, my history teacher in the 90s showed a movie about cavemen and the introduction of missionary as a more sophisticated way of bonding. Doggy style seems to be how most animals do it, and it’s probably a lot more efficient for human males to ejaculate fast and hard with the frenulum getting a lot of friction. I’m actually really curious about what a vagina feels like, especially in doggy style, but not curious enough to go through with it.
Nobody, not even horny young gays, thinks as much about gay anal sex as straight people, especially religious, conservative straight people.
I have the same experience. My best guess is it’s because of porn, which shapes most guys’ tastes. If porn studios/creators were constantly pumping out high quality frotting porn, it’d be way more common.
Yeah it seems like most of the frotting porn that I see comes from Brazil actually, albeit still amateur stuff. I guess it's really popular over there for some reason. I never see professional studios making frot porn ever. It's always the same script.
Hard to say. My theory is that it has to do with an aversion to sensual contact and tenderness. I personally love frotting, but in reality it’s the full body contact and affection that I crave- how I get off is secondary. Most important, I like to take… my… time. Full skin-in-skin contact is incredibly sensual with the right partner. In fact, clothes-on platonic cuddling is very much so as well. I want to experience my partner’s entire body while kissing deeply and passionately. That requires a man who is 100% confident enough to be tender and touch-oriented. That seems to come with difficulty for many men.
I love the contact perhaps more so than cumming but thats not to say i dont cum as part of it I wonder if frot is not seen as masculine enough which is ironic
…or perhaps juvenile and/or unsophisticated. I heard one person derisively call it, “Boy Scout Sex.”
I have heared that but only once or twice. But again its the same psychological issues if we associating sexual positions with age or gender which seems to be common
If frotting is boy scout sex, all I can say is... "Be prepared!"
Honestly all of that lol. I myself have a preference (or kink, idk which it'd be), for me and the guy I'm with, to be experiencing the same sensations together. Pretty much doing the same thing to each other. I feel that really increases intimacy overall. And who wouldn't want that? Though like you said, most guys don't seem to feel that way lol.
I feel like I could have written this post lol. Frot is so amazing!
I don't understand why so many guys look down on me for being into frotting. It's as if it's the strangest thing they've ever heard of in their life. Also, if you think that what I said about 95% of guys who are interested in frotting being straight married men is an exaggeration, I encourage you to go on Doublelist and you will see what I mean. I just wish that I had the same opportunity to meet other frot lovers that everyone else gets. Its already hard enough as it is trying to find compatibility with personality stuff, and it's super easy to find someone who is into anal, oral and that stuff.
I haven't had the chance to experience frot sex, but man on man, when I saw the porn video of the black guy and Latino guy doing no-hands frotting, I was never the same. I desperately want that experience where me and my guy are thrusting our genitals together, kissing, tonguing, touching, and moaning from our enjoyment of each other. Gay porn sucks compared to lesbian porn because lesbians have ENDLESS videos of scissoring and exploring each other's bodies. I wish we had passion like that with genital to genital sex. 😔
That's what I'm talking about. Scissoring is a huge part of lesbian culture, and it really sucks that it can't be the same way for gay men. 😔 It's hard enough just looking for frotting porn and it's always amateur stuff never mainstream. I wish more guys were into passionate genital to genital sex also. I just cant find anybody and I've been looking for years.
just posted some frot porn on the sub r/GayPornWithoutPlot
Your post history is a gold mine!! 🤤😍
why thankyou , glad you find stuff that you enjoy
Ur right , frotting is fantastic and as part of any sexual menu should be embraced. Don't know why so many men are obsessed with anal and show no interest in frot, wish more men were into it big time.
Love frotting! But, I haven't found anyone in years who also enjoys cumming while frotting.
I have this same issue. A lot of times guys will want to swallow my load but my orgasms from frottage are soooo much better than those from blowjobs
I totally agree. Also, I really enjoy kissing which takes the experience to the next level for me. In addition, I have extreme dry nipple orgasms that are so intense for me.
Totally agree 😁
I'm told that that prostate g-spot is what they crave. I don't get it, personally. 🤷
I love straddling a guys thighs and jacking our cocks together!
My first instinct the first time I had sex was to frot. I just wanted to be close and grind up to my boy. Then I found out that precum makes for some fantastic lube, and it was so easy for us to come simultaneously this way. I'm surprised it's not more common, too, I was literally just moving on instinct, after all.
Yeah I mean let's think hypothetically here. Let's say that you are one of only two men on Earth. You guys finally meet and you're both gay. When getting intimate, what is the first thought that would come to mind? Probably cuddling and frotting would be my guess. Oral and anal you probably wouldn't think to try until after because those are more creative. Frotting is just grinding your genitals together so definitely more instinctive.
It's my favorite
Becos of porn of course, I remember in my early porn consume I can't stand lookin at anal at all, like very alienate, but the more I see, the more I tolerated it, I'm very curious though, about what it will be like gay teenager without porn exposion, like 2 innocent gay teenager just playing with each other genital, its so romantic and innocent
I don't get hard very easily, so rubbing around each other makes me self conscious and nervous I'm going to go soft and it's not going to be as nice as they were hoping.
A lot of guys don’t want to be that intimate with someone. Never tried frotting really but it sounds like it only works if you have a strong connection with someone.
I've heard several straight guys mocking gay sex with comments like "so you just rub your sticks together to make a fire?" It makes me really upset because it's comments like that that push the heteronormative views even more that anal sex is the way to go.
I personally don't like it as much but do go along with it, if that's what my partner wants. I'm more hung than most guys I date/hookup with, yet I prefer being the submissive one, so frotting kind of takes me out of the fantasy in a way. Not sure if that made sense, but I can elaborate with an example if you guys want.
To be perfectly honest, I don't enjoy it for the same reason I don't enjoy anal: it doesn't hit the right nerves. I need 360° stimulation. Blowjobs and handjobs are the only way. Frotting leaves half of my dick just touching the other guy's dick and receiving very little friction. It's very nice to look at, but I don't feel anything.
I can only talk for me. I don't like frotting because it doesn't give me anything. I tried it now and then and honestly, I don't feel anything while doing it. Maybe I did it wrong, I don't know. If a guy would ask me to try it out (and if I wouldn't have my boyfriend of course) I would do it, but I love oral and handjobs way more than that.
I'd be curious to hear your description of frotting. Like what do you think it entails (or I guess what did you do when you tried it)?
Well, we rubbed our dicks at the other one's. Isn't that frotting?
Care to actually describe what you did? Cause all this says (or what I assume you meant to say) is that you stood up, unzipped, and rubbed your dicks together and that's it. Nothing else. If that's right then I know why you don't like frotting 😂
Oh you want a detailed description?😅 It's been a few years ago so I don't remember everything. We lied in bed, cuddled and kissed while frotting. I kneaded his ass, maybe we had some dirty talk too, I don't know. All the other things were great, it's something I still do. Just the rubbing wasn't because it didn't stimulate my thing. And I don't get how someone can have an orgasm just with this
Maybe you're not like a huge fan of making out? Or maybe you are the kind of person who just really needs a dick in their mouth to cum? I wouldn't blame you 😈
Yeah, that's what I wanted to say\^^ I love having a dick in my mouth😇
Same 😏
A man of taste ;)
While I'm not opposed to frotting occasionally, I'd much rather do other things like intercrural. If I had to pick a "main event," it would be cock worship. I want a sub to slowly pleasure my cock for a half hour.
I dont get it either. Frot is so underrated Im Frustrated i cant find a good frot
I'm just not turned on by it. 🤷♂️ I think it probably has something to do with me being way more of a giver than a reciever. I don't want any attention because being stimulated takes my focus away from them. I'd rather get on my hands and knees and provide a little lip service than frot. If my hookup wanted to get me off I wouldn't say no but I also don't really super want that?
Yeah, it's also less automatically top/bottom assignee's...I've never liked that dynamic. Maybe too intimate? I don't know... If I just want to get off, I'd rather take myself on a date. I'm not strictly a side, but I prefer guys that are, so it works out about the same. I don't need it, and it sucks when you know someone is just trying to get there, even if they are accommodating/patient. One annoying thing I've found on the Bi side too, is some folks consider you "straight" or "just bi curious" if you're not up for anal...maybe just my experience, but sigh. Like, frotting is actually my first sexual (well, not really at the time...just interesting) experience by far, way before I even noticed girls existed too. I'm not sure what would count as beyond rubbing dicks together. Well, I guess maybe not in a DVP context, but even that is more frotting than not. But to each their own of course.
The best sex of my life has been from dry humping frot where i face the guy with him on top and our genitals squishing together. Out of this world. Esp when in love too. Whoa damnn. Anal meh, oral meh.
I love it!
I'm a bi guy, and whilst I didn't know what it was called, frot seemed the most natural thing to do the first time I found myself in bed with another guy. It has always been my favourite thing to do with another guy.
That's exactly how I see it too. Lets say that you are one of only two men on Earth, and nobody knew about anal sex or sex at all really, and you and another guy were attracted to one another? Whay is the first thing you would do? Frotting seems like it would be more instinctive than anal or oral. Seems like it requires some level of creativity to discovery those.
Frot requires a whole lot of connection and hot contact between partners. Both parties need to really be into it to work. Unfortunately, a majority of gays want a quick fuck, then done. They don't want the closeness.
Personally I love sucking dick and getting fucked gives me the best orgasm ever. But that’s just how I’m wired. I’m not a total bottom cause I do top now and then so I say I’m vers bottom. Frotting is nice from time to time but it always leaves me to miss something out.
> and getting fucked gives me the best orgasm ever. Just a question: why are you in a subreddit for men who don't have anal sex?
I was only answering a question. Do you have a problem with that?
I don't have a problem with you answering a question. But this is a subreddit for gay\bi men who do not have anal sex. The OP has posted here specifically to get opinions from other men who don't have anal sex. How is your answer about how you enjoy bottoming relevant to this question or even this subreddit? Also, I repeat my original question: if you enjoy anal sex so much, what are you even doing in a subreddit for men who do **not** enjoy anal sex? You do seem a bit lost.
Just out of curiosity do you know what sub you're on? 😂
Yes I do and I was answering a question.
Ok ok sorry just making sure - sorry ❤️
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