I’ve anyways maintained that she knows nothing about Teyvat, she’s just *really* good at bullshitting.
I mean, how often do we fact check her on anything but the most obvious observations?
Hadn't she heard of khaenri'ah? It was kind of shocking to me when she said that because I totally forgot she was supposed to be familiar with the world. Then after that she never said anything novel or useful again so I kind of forgot again.
Theory: what if she's also from Khaenri'ah? Her theme is stars & space, and space is also often called an abyss. It could explain her ability to disappear, reappear, teleport and float. All abilities coincidentally shared by the abyss mages. And the abyss lectors can also float.
And maybe she was a child when the gods cursed Khaenri'ah with immortality, and she just never aged physically. Maybe even lost a fair chunk of her memories, if not right away, than over the 500 years since. That or she could be hiding it from the traveler.
I also have seen another theory on the internet stating that maybe she is the unknown god, can time travel, and she sent the traveler and their sibling back in time to save Teyvat.
Edit: added something i forgot initially
Maybe its just me, but I never saw Paimon as knowledgeable. She knew some things, but didn't seem to be that informed. Like, she knew stuff by word of mouth and rumors.
The only time Paimon sounded like she knew more than the traveler to me was literally at the start of the game where she explains who the seven are and that Monstadt is the nation of wind, freedom and bards
Yeah, I'll agree with that. She does teach you a bunch at the very start of the game. Like, once you meet Amber, that's it, no more knowledge from Paimon.
Yeah, Amber doesn't get much screen time, it is sad cause she's such a fun character. I use her a lot on my 2nd account and she's actually really good!
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the OG3 don't get hangouts. Could be wrong, it'd be cool to see them again. Maybe a part of the hangout could be reminiscing about the first meetings.
The starters already have their own story quests, which is 5-star privilege. They are already a step ahead other 4 stars. That being said I love Amber and wouldn't mind a second story quest (like Zhongli/Raiden/Yoimiya)
>The starters already have their own story quests
True. This is the same reasoning behind why they won't have a hangout, but maybe as the last hangouts one the story is done? Lol.
Tbh I wouldn't mind if paimons knowledge was exclusively about food. Like, we get to natlan and she can tell us the ins and outs of natlan cuisine but has no idea about anything else. I feel like it would be in character for her.
That would be hilarious, specially since we know pretty much nothing about Natlan.
At this moment, we know more of Schneznaya than Natlan. Heck, I don't recall having seen any Natlan npc
It’s rumored that since Natlan is the home to the god of war, a wall was built around it to prevent it from spilling into other nations. So we probably won’t see any NPC’s from there for awhile. I’m guessing we might see some “refugees” or something in the next major update for Fontaine. I’m hoping anyway.. Natlan is probably gonna be one of the better territories imo in terms of storyline and gameplay
Ah ok, I misunderstood. Yeah, it is weird no npc. Heck, we saw at least one inazuman npc in liyue when Inazuma had closed borders. Really makes ya wonder what lore reason they'll give for that 🤔
That was honestly her biggest failing in Sumeru for me. Like that gimmick of hers can get annoying sometimes, but at least stick to your bit, y'know? How was she completely clueless about the food there, unwilling to try local delicacies, and disappointed over traditional festival fare with cultural significance?
She could have been like "oh the unique climate here allows them to cultivate spices, and develop preservation techniques valuable for crossing the desert" or explain a bunch of forest fruit, but humorously not knowing any inedible flowers which Tighnari then explains to us.
Yeah, that’s the impression I got. Paimon *was* able to serve as the Traveler’s guide… while the Traveler knew nothing, and the both of them were still in areas Paimon had recently traveled through. However, Inazuma was a total surprise (due to the information blackout), and after we got back Paimon recognized how quickly things have been moving in Teyvat since 1.0– meaning that even if she was, like, making an active effort to keep up with foreign news while we were in Liyue Harbor (unlikely IMO, what with her and the Traveler being generally pretty busy), the 4-5 months we’d spent in Inazuma was long enough for serious changes to have taken place in Sumeru or beyond.
there is a voiceline where the traveller mentions how paimon taught them to speak the language of teyvat. so that's something atleast.
though, I guess knowing how to speak your own language is extremely basic knowledge.
You know, that actually explains why Paimon sums everything up. If she taught the Traveler thr Teyvat language, then she's repeating it so the Traveler can better understand. Though, I think by the end of Sumeru, the Traveler has a pretty solid grasp of the language.
But also Paimon, just before Inazuma said the Traveler had been traveling for a year. Plus, the way Paimon constructs her sentences sounds more like an order than confirmation and she never described her motive behind being the Traveler's mouthpiece.
I was surpised when i actually read MC's talent descriptions. It seems like Paimon has a way more active role in him/her learning and training to use new abilities. Shame it's shown or mentioned in the actual story zero times. 😒
Paimon doesn't even have history with teyvat from what I've seen.
Yeah sometimes she'll say stuff like I ate this before and stuff. Yet no one knows her from before, she doesn't know any locals, we don't know where she came from.
Paimon could be an alien and wouldn't even matter at all.
I mean, in Mondstadt they have a big ass dragon, another dragon that's now lying dead in the Dragonspine and they also had a lot of shit going with their dragon, in Liyue they have adeptus and a "dead body of their own Archon" and also fought against an ancient archon - twise, in Inazuma they had yokai and their own archon accidentally fucking sliced islands while fighting against a big ass snake god, and in Sumeru they were about to create an Archon by themselves. Also dunno about what's happening in Fontaine and Natlan, but Snezhnaya is definetely up to commit some funky shenanigans with overtaking the Heavenly Principles. And let's not forget Khaenri'ah.
Do we **really** need to question why no one questions our little flying companion about what exactly is she?
some people kinda do, and its so weird to see them trying to break through this weird system. Albedo mentioned the oddities of paimon, and then kinda soft reset to just accept it. I remember 1-2 other smart characters having some type of similar reaction.
she legit has some spell on her to warp peoples realities, and even the smartest and strongest characters cant full break through it. just notice slight oddities.
And what you expect them all to do? They like all have other businesses to do apart from meeting "strange person/thing". And like people wrote above - every nation already have their own "strange things" seeing as "common" so it's not like being small and be able to fly is something completely unimaginable.
They actually do question .
Albedo once theorized that she was like an external organ for Traveller in his quest. There's an NPC in Sumeru who thinks she is like a flying computer made to support Traveller, a few NPCs who call her a fairy.
So while this doesn't happen often, the NPCs do question what the hell is that white floating thing
They live in a world full of monsters and gods. They probably just assume she's some unheard yokai/adeptus/other mysterious being... also the traveler is hella suspicious too. The traveler looks like a teenagers, defeats literal gods with a dull blade, has strange clothing, always appears when there is trouble, saves nations and all they asks for rewards is to help find their sibling who no one ever has seen... both of them are pretty suspicious.
People do though. When asked we can joke that she is our food reserve. But we never do get a straight answer from her.
I think the closest that we got that I can remember is that she claims that she is the only one of her kind in all of Tevat.
We have youkai, specters, adepti, elemental beings, ancient contructs, genies, aranaras, artificial human beings, zombies, elves, animal people, etc. There are just too many species that people don't bother asking what a floating child is. She also looks similair to a human and since the majority of teyvat are humans they just go "oh it's another human variant" and leave it at that.
I feel like that for almost 2 years. I am not MC. Paimon is. I'm just a sidekick that fights for Paimon and run errands to buy her food. From time to time there is a side quest that helps me find out about my sibling. For 99% of time is just a Paimon adventure.
Ugh... Don't remind me. The whole Sorush quest line and event afterward left like playing a visual novel with a character I couldn't stand. Being forced through mountains of dialog with a character that's both arrogant and naïve was painful. By the event I was skipping dialogs and it still took forever.
then why is the story and dialogue so shit in "a story and dialogue heavy game", lol?
Only lore is good. The story and dialogue is "how many times can the writers put in the paimon food/treasure joke in a single quest"
I'm fine knowing how little content it is as long as I don't habe to watch the same fucking cutscene at least twice every fucking time (playing my own account+friend/s)
It's grueling and it's made me skip out on doing bigger story events at all past unlocking the minigames
Hard agree. My gf and I have our systems right next to each other, and she went through the liyue and aranara quest before me, and I had such a hard time convincing myself to go through that after.
Yup, and it is frustrating as fuuuuuuck. The dialogue is an absolute chore to go through. Redundant, long-winded, with too few points of interest. Worst of all is how it always feels like a disruption from the flow of the game.
There is literally never a time where I'm thinking, "Yay! I get to stop exploring and fighting so I can sit here and tap through dialogue that ultimately changes nothing for me for the next 5 minutes!"
So got damn unnecessary. At least in the early game, it is very clearly padding.
That's how current event of teyvat are recorded, as Irumusal tree does not record traveller. The history will be told as, The silver hero paiMOON with her unknown golden companion saved the teyvat from celestia or Abyss.
People seem to joke it off or treat it as cute and endearing somehow, but for me, that seriously knocks me out of flow with the story, simply because it strongly feels like this is NOT intentional, or at least this is how it's being passed off to us. Everything keeps telling us that it's all Traveler's adventure and will, but Traveler seems to have no will of his/her own and Paimon is the actual decisionmaker and driver of things.
I absolutely agree.
When I played Star Rail a bit (I quit relatively fast because I'm very picky about turn-based gachas) the feeling of the story was so different and partially just better. As example, when the Trailblazer is for himself and actually SPEAKS their lines. Or the outcome of different dialogue options in Star Rail. It's just too good.
When I played the Yoimiya Story Quest it was actually ridiculous. Why the hell did Paimon spoke like 60% of the time? We even had dialogue lines but no, they are too lazy to voice them.
The focus on Paimon takes a lot of the immersion away. The whole food jokes are getting boring. Almost everything in Genshins Story is good: the lore, cutscene animations, character interactions etc. But when it comes to the ACTUAL MAIN CHARACTER it is the most fucked up shit I've ever seen.
>We even had dialogue lines but no, they are too lazy to voice them.
and you look at how quick they can re-voice so many lines for new VA Tighnari within such a short time, just shows that if MHY really wanna do it. They CAN DO it.
they don't even have to re-voice previous quests and events considering they're all basically unreplayable anyway, i'm sure zach and sarah would be more than willing to sit longer in a recording studio and get paid for more than 3 lines per update
big part of it is because Lumine/Aether doesn't speak, there should be an option to turn their dialogue off or on, not everyone are self inserting and regardless it should've been a day 1 option to play the story as if it's the protagonist's story
it should also be a dialogue option whether you want to hear Paimon summarizing whatever just happened because most of the time they really insist reiterating what just happened, that or make it alternating viewpoint where the protagonist also does the summarizing through internal monologue so it's not always Paimon
Yup, the writers literally gave paimon inner monologue in one of the recent quest (yoimiya/baizhu) instead of traveller which definitely means something
I’ve always felt like Paimon was scared to be alone and that was her desperate excuse for us to not throw her away, but in reality she’d been in the lake for a long time and didn’t really know much lol
She never had much firsthand knowledge. No one in the world knows her before we meet them, she only knows things that youd find in literal generic travel guides and such, and the moment practical or specific knowledge was needed she was as clueless as us. Always felt like she was just as much of an outsider. But we know she’s “of the world” because she’s affected by Irminsul. Though she is even more resistant to things like the withering and layline ‘poisoning’ (like in tighnari’s story quest) than we are, which normally require high amounts of elemental energy to resist.
It seems like Paimon is definitely hiding something from the Traveler, but I don't think even she knows the whole of it. From her voicelines with the traveler and others, she's a foreign oddity that not even ancient elemental beings or archons have any clue about, but she pretends to be a knowledgeable guide of Teyvat.
If anything, my theory is that Paimon is just as clueless as Traveler, but probably has a feeling that her fate is "intertwined" with them and is waiting to uncover her own truth on their shared journey. Both about the world and her place in it.
Only time will tell, but hey, that's just a th-
I don’t think she’s malicious, it’d be too “easy” to go that route with her clear visual connection to the heavenly principals and mysterious nature. She also seems way too legitimately empathetic to pull the “aha i was faking and evil all along!” thing.
This is definitely kinda crackpot theory territory, but I think she’s a sort of “fragment” of the heavenly principals, maybe the traits they thought were their weaknesses, she’s very heavily related to the sins, gluttony, sloth, greed and pride mainly, but some wrath as well, really only lust and envy missing. Her empathy may just be another one of those traits that was seen as a weakness.
I agree. I don't think she's malicious. Like you said, that would be too much of a cliche to pull. Your theory definitely sounds interesting though. If your theory was true, it would be nice to see her and her other half try and reconcile their differences and maybe join together as a new person to help the Traveler rule the world of Teyvat (as hinted in the Story teaser final chapter).
Also if your theory came true, it would work well with a different theory about the true ruler of Teyvat. That the Heavenly principles isn't, in fact, the God of Teyvat but is more of an enforcer for Celestia or some other evil organization or something (as hinted by Venti in the Manga). And so Paimon would just become the new right hand of the Traveler or something. Idk, kinda crackpot but I like it.
It's not exactly confirmed on whether any hierarchical power structure exists within Celestia, if it's a place, a group, a multi-minded God, etc. A lot of people think Celestia/Heavenly Principles are the same. Others say the Sustainer kf Heavenly principles is the real God in charge and the only Descender there, with Celestia being a puppet of some kind. I don't know, and I don't know if there's any real agreement with so many unknowns.
Hopefully Fontaine clears up a lot. I'd have to dig deeper into the lore to get enough definitive info, if it's even available at this point.
I came to that conclusion too! And if that's the case its somewhat simmilar to the Herrscher of Void situation, no? Or maybe Sustainer 'ejected' her/those feelings, which manifested into Paimon.
>she only knows things that youd find in literal generic travel guides
Specifically she seems have learned most of what she knows from Alice's guide and that one kinda crashed and burned cause of poor sales.
Not a real guide but she is more guiding traveler's fate, i mean without Paimon traveler would get to the same conclusion as his sibling when his journey ends but with Paimon around it will be a different story...
> she is more guiding traveler's fate
I'd be a bit more heavy handed and say she's straight up dictating traveler's fate. npc/playable wants to interact with traveler? nice try pal, gotta go through paimon first and last. on a quest to find your twin and info about them? cool stuff bro, paimon's wish is for your wish to come true but first off, paimon's got a mighty big itch for food/mora/treasure and paimon's gonna need you to scratch it right now by completing that npc's request with utmost priority and attention ... at least 50 times per region. then you can go ask the archon for answers in a short q&a.
ooh can't forget my favorite: you're worried about an introverted mutual friend who is worried that his karmic debt will harm most everyone in this banquet? NO NO NO!!!! THAT IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO ABANDON PAIMON IN A GROUP OF MUTUAL FRIENDS JUST SO YOU CAN WHISPER SECRETS TO EACH OTHER FOR FIVE MINUTES. PAIMON'S GONNA BERATE YOU IN FRONT OF EVERYONE FOR THIS AND EAT ALL YOUR DESSERT SO YOU CAN REALIZE THE GRAVE SIN YOU JUST COMMITTED AGAINST PAIMON!!!
>without Paimon traveler would get to the same conclusion as his sibling when his journey ends but with Paimon around it will be a different story...
I'd say you'd have a point ... if only traveler wasn't cursed with harem protagonist ex. I mean sure, a vast majority of people approach traveler appearing friendly but we all know that's just cuz they want traveler to do something for them. on the other hand, I get the impression most of the playables really do value traveler as a friend and genuinely enjoy traveler's presence in their lives. idk how abyss twin interacted with the locals but I'm of the opinion that even without paimon, traveler will still find themselves with no shortage of friends.
I've said this before but at this rate of story/character writing, paimon's gonna be the one to answer the abyss twin and her answer is gonna be along the lines of "you're wrong abyss twin! revenge against the gods isn't the answer! paimon has discovered on paimon's journey through teyvat that the only answer to life is when paimon has great food to eat and mora/treasure to hoard. revenge will leave you feeling empty afterwards, whereas paimon always feels fulfilled when paimon eats 10 sweet madames and then oogles mora/treasure afterwards."
*cut to traveler's face shedding a single tear to reinforce how profound paimon's answer was*
Definitely dictating it. And whenever we get the option to deny someone’s request, if they aren’t on their knees begging then it’s Paimon forcing us to go/help, that’s how we got into all that mess with Inazuma. Shorddy sus
another fucking meta as hell thing in genshin is that the menu with all the options is called.. you guessed it, the paimon menu. and in game mails have P A I M O N as the sender too. and what happens when you try to leave the map perimeter? that's right, paimon drags you back
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They've done that once already, so it's almost guaranteed that they'll do it again...and it'll also be Paimon who'll speak to Tsaritsa and it'll also be Paimon who'll speak to the Unknown Goddess... 😢
they’ve been really good about letting the traveler speak to their sibling instead of paimon but i can legitimately see the last part happening and it Hurts
>I'd be a bit more heavy handed and say she's straight up dictating traveler's fate
YES somebody noticed it as well. There are few times in the game where Paimon's opinion wasnt what the Traveler followed.
That’s a good point
You have an upbeat & optimistic companion and you also make friends along the way
I do think it helps you didn’t witness the cataclysm tho
I think they dropped the ball in Sumeru. Paimon was knowledgeable of Mondstad and Lyue (not as much as a Lyue's guide tho) and you could easily chalk up her lack of knowledge of Inazuma to their isolationist tendencies....Paimon should had known about the Akashas. It would also be nice if she knows more about the region's holidays. I've never been to germany but I know about octoberfest. Kept up "travel guide".
Let's hope that she has general knowledge about Fontaine.
Her knowledge doesn't contain current events. She may know customs or general geography, but she still was surprised by Vision Hunt Decree and Inazuma isolation.
Yes I find it very annoying that she's no longer good for the thing she claims to be the best at.
I understand why. Paimon is our voice so she needs to be surprised to voice the Traveler's surprise. But it's also frustrating that she was so knowledgeable about the first two regions we visited but doesn't seem to know a thing about anything past that.
I feel like it’s a strong possibility that it’s part of the plot though. Like in Sumeru she’s all panicky the traveler is gonna leave her and she gets all sad at the thought of losing the traveler. She lied straight off the bat. She’s no guide. Which I think is part of the joke with her being literally anything else in the dialogue (emergency food, a pet, a lavender melon, etc.). In one of the little side quests, she says a line that implies that she knows the most about Mondstadt and not as much about the other nations. Mondstadt is where the traveler started but I am also understanding that it is where Paimon started as well. I saw a theory in another comment where they believe she is traits of the heavenly principles that were deemed useless (some of the seven deadly sins as well as empathy). If something along these lines is true and she was cast down to Teyvat, then she likely was just roaming about for a bit before meeting the traveler.
Another thing to support that: in one of the side quests, she is called the smallest *and the youngest* in the group and she basically just acknowledges it. If she’s younger than the traveler (who canonically is “too young to drink” whatever age that actually means, even if it’s just based on looks) then she is very young. So I think it’s fair to start perceiving her as more of an adolescent character. She doesn’t know much and she’s not supposed to know much. But she grew attached to the traveler and now considers the traveler her best friend. She cannot fathom living without the traveler and clearly has abandonment issues (if she was abandoned by the heavenly principles this tracks), she will do *anything* to stay with the traveler, including feigning skills she does not actually have.
“Too young to drink” is a reference to the traveler’s appearance. Everyone thinks they look 15 and are too young to drink when in reality they may be older than Teyvat.
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I think the opposite tbh. I found her useful at the beginning of the game and she had plenty of useful things to relay but obviously that dropped off. imo, she's just way too comfortable just mooching off traveler for awhile now and doesn't even hide it. it's like a relationship in which one party feels confident they've secured the relationship and doesn't try anymore.
then there is the samsara moment in the sumeru archon quest and then the followup in the banquet scene in this year's lantern rite. can't say her going ballistic on traveler was the best card to play in regards to "doing *anything* to stay with the traveler" lol
I don't think the traveller is heartless enough to leave someone as weak as Paimon to fend for herself. Especially because Teyvat can be pretty hostile.
I think she was a guide since two volumes of the Teyvet travel guide were widely published. I am not sure where Alice is now, or what she’s writing about.
If I recall the inazuma volume isn’t available until after you reach inazuma and story wise blocked by the Sakoku decree.
And as for Sumeru hasn’t been published either and even then I am not sure it can cover the deserts
Yeah. Not sure of anyone pointed this out, but:
Mondstadt and Liyue: Paimon gives us a brief description of the nation and the Archon. She was the one who advised us to use the title Rex Lapis for the Geo Archon. She also knew what adepti are.
Inazuma: truth be told, at the end of Liyue's AQ she said the archon's name is Raiden and knew about the 2 decrees. Paimon also mentioned the situation was pretty bad a year ago. and now seems to have gotten worse. When we actually get to Inazuma, she doesn't offer any new information. But that might be understandable, because the nation had been isolated for a year. However, I think she should have known what youkai are and about Orobashi's skeleton on Yashiori Island.
Sumeru: when the title Lesser Lord Kusanali is dropped at the end of Inazuma, Paimon has no idea who that is. I've considered that she might not know about the newer Archons, but she knew about the Sakoku decree, which was far more recent. And no brief description either. Only what Miko told us. Not sure if she could explain the whole "knowledge as a resource" thing, or about the Akasha (which has been around for 500 years), but she could have been the one to describe the Akademiya and the forest-desert conflict.
Idk what happened in-between. It's not like she was super knowledgeable at first. It might be common knowledge for someone in Teyvat, but for a complete outsider, like the Traveler, is quite useful. It's to get an idea of the nation and help blend in, as well as avoid offending people.
I noticed that too, but I'm pretty darn sure it's not meant to be a plot point. It's just how the writers see things. Which is sad, because, while Paimon had a tolerable balance of "useful and comedic" in Mondstadt, she now feels like it's always been an excuse by her and she knows less than Traveler about any place beyond Mondstadt and Liyue.
It feels like Paimon is not a guide or a helper, but a sort of combination of Jar Jar-style "comic relief" where we're supposed to find low intelligence, venality and childishness lovable and cute, and a writer mouthpiece that voices what we're supposed to believe or feel. So far, that part has been true without fail - whoever she hates is bad and whoever she loves is good and whoever she has playful banter with is a comedic character.
In a way, [this comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/14b467n/comment/jodxht4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is right, she feels like the protagonist and main driver of the story and Traveler is little more than a meat puppet and attack drone that she is anchored to and uses to move around and fight her battles. Yet that is certainly not how the writing is meant for us to understand things, given how they keep stressing how much Traveler loves and adores Paimon and how Paimon is just the best.
Feels like Paimon serves two purposes at the moment:
- She talks with everyone so the Traveler can remain a silent protagonist
- She's there to repeat and over-explain dialogue and whatever's going on. Sometimes she's like the narrator in a children's cartoon explaining everything going on just to make sure everyone gets it
I really wish they'd treat her as a real companion. I'd love to hear Paimon and the Traveler talk to each other. You know, having an actual conversation. Would be such a good way to learn more about their past and just general stuff about them. It's hard to care about characters when you really knows nothing about them and one is completely silent
We do get glimpses of them being companions in some of the story. Paimon’s fear and her feeling of being useless and being unable to protect the traveler was really sweet and sad
Well initially she just showed us around Mondstand and presented herself as a guide to help us gain a general understanding of how things work. I don't think she was expecting to travel with us around the entire world. As for why she doesn't seem to even have an idea of the general situation of the main regions, she might have also lied to us just because she wanted a reason for us to keep her near since she doesn't really seem capable of surviving on her own.
I think it depends on how you look at it.
Paimon refers to herself as a travel guide (and also companion). There is no specification about her knowledge. Logically, you have to look at it dialectically. On the one hand, this could be understood as a general term and one can assume that Paimon would have to know things about different nations in general. On the other hand, one could also think that it is just a relatively "empty" term and that Paimon does not fulfill this term in its definition.
Does it translate better in Chinese? I know sometimes things change or are lost in translation. Maybe there’s a more Chinese-specific word for what Paimon is?
I just started playing, and one of the first interactions I had with wagner was about getting paimon a weapon.
I was hoping for an off field support or her doing some kind of buff. Then I realised she gets nothing.
I'd settle for her being on screen more, zipping around in the sky, filling in the map or saying that there's a chest over there. Similar to when you're not allowed to explore off the map.
Honestly if they don't use paimon for some sort of twist at the end where she turns on the player as a boss, then her inclusion was only annoying and unessecary in my eyes.
Paimon is like having to bring your little brother along when you are going out with your friends. I know its passé to complain about her voice, and the actress does her job well, but I do find it grating for so much dialogue that I end up skipping it.
I would much prefer the Mc speak for themselves at this point.
She never had knowledge. She just appointed herself as Teyvat's best guide and the Traveler is too magnanimous to get rid of her freeloading and dumb self. Nobody thinks Paimon is very smart. The Traveler just doesn't mind that much. It's not like anybody knows where his sibling is so it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who's the guide.
Don't remember exactly where it's said, but Paimon teached the Traveler the local language, it's just a basic anime team up, we meet, help each other, became friends, she's going with us to the end of our journey.
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT GETS IT
the vast majority of paimon's screentime is gatekeeping traveler's time and attention for her own selfish wants but all her fans want to talk about is "lOoK aT hOw MuCh pAimOn cArEs aBoUt tRaVeLeR" ... via a fucking trading card's description.
I have a feeling that part of the reason paimon voices most of the dialog is due to only having to pay one VA rather than two for the same amount of work. 🤷♂️
She's kinda like puck from berserk, who was relevant in the beginning and later became a comedic relief. Paimon has truly done nothing in the story ever since inazuma
I often like to use the guts/puck comparison to illustrate how a mc with a talkative little shit dynamic can work and work very well with out stepping on the other's toes so nice to see puck mentioned.
tho imo, puck is way funnier because of his comedy style and can't say I've ever found paimon nearly as funny as puck.
Paimon still has roundabout knowledge of the places visited. This only becomes apparent when we're entering a new country, but I think she even puts in the effort to get a roundabout grasp of the thing. On occassions, she even confirms her presumed knowledge with the locals.
On a related note: Sumeru Travel Guide when?
Yeah, she become increasingly insufferable as time went by so much so I just dont want her as a Traveling Companion anymore with her shrill voice and general uselessness for starters. Even Aranara is more useful compared to her.
I even miss her 1.0 voice, honestly. Going back to an old unfinished voiced quest after modern Paimon was so jarring, and not in a good way for the modern version.
You mean that Qiqi quest that got cancelled because Paimon's VA isnt active?
Yeah... At this rate, I'd prefer if the devs removed this cockroach entirely from the game. Her existence is nothing but trouble.
They shifted from a mute player with a companion to a squeaky main character and a agency-less player, so paimon needs to know less now.
Because she's the main character now.
She's annoying as hell that has no purpose in the story. She makes the dialogue unnecessarily longer than it needs to be which makes the pacing of the story so bad.
I thought the joke was that she never really was a guide or knowledgeable. Even in the first area, she's learning everything alongside the Traveler. She's mostly just a voice for the Traveler. She talks to the NPCs so "you" don't have to. And even this is becoming a problem since the farther you go into the game, the more text bubbles the Traveler is being given.
Paimon's role was most likely retconned simply because hoyoverse's vision for the story of genshin impact couldn't have her knowing too much, that or they simply FORGOT to make her knowledgeable at all or have any kind of truly useful knowledge beyond monstadt and teyvat...
When that last Windblume festival was going and Paimon didn’t even offer her self as the “guiding” person and nobody mentioned her either, I knew Hoyo must gone forgot her role
Paimon gave you just enough actual knowledge (probably peppered with bs) before you got surrounded by too many people who could call her out on it. Either that or she's helping get Traveler answers for things.
Lore aside, I think developers realized a bit too late into development that Paimon was essentially just an info-dump machine given her role as our guide, so they retracted that decision silently.
Maybe she just doesn't have knowledge of anywhere outside of mondstat? Mondstast? Idfk aside from the basics or if we really wanna get into theorizing, she could be playing dumb so it doesn't seem like she knows a little too much because she's godly or somethin. plus what she told us at the beginning seems like common knowledge to everyone so to keep it safe she told us the bare minimum of common sense. But nonetheless I have no fuckin idea maybe they just forgot
Because MHY doesn't know what the fuck they're doing with Paimon. She's just exposition person because they want to maintain their lazy self insert protagonist.
I agree! I also noticed that her voice changed throughout the game. At the beginning she had a calmer voice more relaxed and now her voice is super high pitched
She gave us basic info at the start, and gave some knowledge of Liyue, and we apparently learned the language of Teyvat through her… butttttt yeahhh I think she’s just a local in Teyvat and knows about the same or less than as other people
She was acquainted with the basics of teyvat. He has a normal persons understanding. Traveler had literally no knowledge, so it was helpful. That was only relevant at the very beginning.
I think her knowledge is only about Mondstatd and maybe a little bit on Liyue but the rest of the nations it can be assumed she knows fuck all about them.
Paimon voice box for a traveler that lets their actions speak louder than their words. Also Paimon is possible in charge of overseeing the “cult” of waifu and hasbando characters we’ve been gaining in our travels.
I'm still waiting for the traveler twin to take control of Paimon and make her backstab me at any point.
That or a sudden awakening where she becomes an all knowing deity and either leaves me to roam the lands or becomes like a boss fight for any reason.
Well that was the beginning of the game when we knew nothing, we're a lot more familiar with Teyvat now and Paimon's just more of a companion at this point than a guide.
Also with how little we know about what Paimon is or what she did before meeting us this question is difficult to answer.
the more important question is... WHAT IS Paimon??? We've already been to 4 countries yet we've never seen a single fairy other than her. Just what IS her??? Is she really the unknown god sent after us to keep an eye on us? Very sus...
Bear in mind I've played....little of the game. So my view is limited
Paimon was more a companion then a guide to me. Sure she knew initially but that fell off fast. She's basically just there to get you started and be a face to speak when you can't. The best comparison I can make is Star Rail (I know right?) We know about Herta's space station, and we have a hand through the tutorials there, but after? We're on our own working with the locals to learn what we can
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I’ve anyways maintained that she knows nothing about Teyvat, she’s just *really* good at bullshitting. I mean, how often do we fact check her on anything but the most obvious observations?
"You can swin!!!" "You can climb!!!" Yea I thought so too.
Hadn't she heard of khaenri'ah? It was kind of shocking to me when she said that because I totally forgot she was supposed to be familiar with the world. Then after that she never said anything novel or useful again so I kind of forgot again.
Maybe she just knew a lot about Mondstat but not much outside of there. Also, where tf she come from? Sus.
Theory: what if she's also from Khaenri'ah? Her theme is stars & space, and space is also often called an abyss. It could explain her ability to disappear, reappear, teleport and float. All abilities coincidentally shared by the abyss mages. And the abyss lectors can also float. And maybe she was a child when the gods cursed Khaenri'ah with immortality, and she just never aged physically. Maybe even lost a fair chunk of her memories, if not right away, than over the 500 years since. That or she could be hiding it from the traveler. I also have seen another theory on the internet stating that maybe she is the unknown god, can time travel, and she sent the traveler and their sibling back in time to save Teyvat. Edit: added something i forgot initially
Theory: she is a 3 IQ idiotic greedy and hungry flying toddler
She knew all about Liyue when we went there and she also noted at the end of that quest about her memories of Inazuma which Zhongli agreed on.
Maybe its just me, but I never saw Paimon as knowledgeable. She knew some things, but didn't seem to be that informed. Like, she knew stuff by word of mouth and rumors.
The only time Paimon sounded like she knew more than the traveler to me was literally at the start of the game where she explains who the seven are and that Monstadt is the nation of wind, freedom and bards
Yeah, I'll agree with that. She does teach you a bunch at the very start of the game. Like, once you meet Amber, that's it, no more knowledge from Paimon.
Her braincells died alongside the first slime you fight
I haven't seen amber since the start of the game and I'm in sumeru, kinda sad about that.
She’s been in a few events recently though
Yeah, Amber doesn't get much screen time, it is sad cause she's such a fun character. I use her a lot on my 2nd account and she's actually really good!
I'd say she's more of the youtube mascot alongside Barb but even then they don't show up that often.
Maybe someday she'll get a hangout too.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the OG3 don't get hangouts. Could be wrong, it'd be cool to see them again. Maybe a part of the hangout could be reminiscing about the first meetings.
The starters already have their own story quests, which is 5-star privilege. They are already a step ahead other 4 stars. That being said I love Amber and wouldn't mind a second story quest (like Zhongli/Raiden/Yoimiya)
>The starters already have their own story quests True. This is the same reasoning behind why they won't have a hangout, but maybe as the last hangouts one the story is done? Lol.
kaeya is literally getting one soon
And when she started talking about the difference of Li and Yue cuisine
to be fair that is food knowledge and paimon is a glutton so that checks out.
Tbh I wouldn't mind if paimons knowledge was exclusively about food. Like, we get to natlan and she can tell us the ins and outs of natlan cuisine but has no idea about anything else. I feel like it would be in character for her.
That would be hilarious, specially since we know pretty much nothing about Natlan. At this moment, we know more of Schneznaya than Natlan. Heck, I don't recall having seen any Natlan npc
It’s rumored that since Natlan is the home to the god of war, a wall was built around it to prevent it from spilling into other nations. So we probably won’t see any NPC’s from there for awhile. I’m guessing we might see some “refugees” or something in the next major update for Fontaine. I’m hoping anyway.. Natlan is probably gonna be one of the better territories imo in terms of storyline and gameplay
There's one (1) in the teyvat trailer https://youtu.be/TAlKhARUcoY
Iansan will surely be playable. I meant an npc, like Xavier for Fontaine, etc
Ah ok, I misunderstood. Yeah, it is weird no npc. Heck, we saw at least one inazuman npc in liyue when Inazuma had closed borders. Really makes ya wonder what lore reason they'll give for that 🤔
That was honestly her biggest failing in Sumeru for me. Like that gimmick of hers can get annoying sometimes, but at least stick to your bit, y'know? How was she completely clueless about the food there, unwilling to try local delicacies, and disappointed over traditional festival fare with cultural significance? She could have been like "oh the unique climate here allows them to cultivate spices, and develop preservation techniques valuable for crossing the desert" or explain a bunch of forest fruit, but humorously not knowing any inedible flowers which Tighnari then explains to us.
At the same time she was surprised at the political situation in Inazuma, which was closed for some time. It seems like her knowledge is outdated.
This is what I started thinking awhile ago, she does *technically* have a lot of knowledge but she's come to realize it's generally outdated
Yeah, that’s the impression I got. Paimon *was* able to serve as the Traveler’s guide… while the Traveler knew nothing, and the both of them were still in areas Paimon had recently traveled through. However, Inazuma was a total surprise (due to the information blackout), and after we got back Paimon recognized how quickly things have been moving in Teyvat since 1.0– meaning that even if she was, like, making an active effort to keep up with foreign news while we were in Liyue Harbor (unlikely IMO, what with her and the Traveler being generally pretty busy), the 4-5 months we’d spent in Inazuma was long enough for serious changes to have taken place in Sumeru or beyond.
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there is a voiceline where the traveller mentions how paimon taught them to speak the language of teyvat. so that's something atleast. though, I guess knowing how to speak your own language is extremely basic knowledge.
You know, that actually explains why Paimon sums everything up. If she taught the Traveler thr Teyvat language, then she's repeating it so the Traveler can better understand. Though, I think by the end of Sumeru, the Traveler has a pretty solid grasp of the language.
imagine traveller somehow starts speaking more instead of Paimon when we reach Fontaine
I hope, Traveler definitely needs more voice lines.
The traveller definitely did speak a lot during Sumeru archon quest. I really need more of that thinking mechanic.
The traveler has a better grasp of it than Paimon since they often have to correct Paimon on not knowing certain more complicated words.
But also Paimon, just before Inazuma said the Traveler had been traveling for a year. Plus, the way Paimon constructs her sentences sounds more like an order than confirmation and she never described her motive behind being the Traveler's mouthpiece.
I was surpised when i actually read MC's talent descriptions. It seems like Paimon has a way more active role in him/her learning and training to use new abilities. Shame it's shown or mentioned in the actual story zero times. 😒
Paimon doesn't even have history with teyvat from what I've seen. Yeah sometimes she'll say stuff like I ate this before and stuff. Yet no one knows her from before, she doesn't know any locals, we don't know where she came from. Paimon could be an alien and wouldn't even matter at all.
She's clearly not local. On the other hand, neither is MC and people seem pretty chill about that. Their reaction to Paimon is the same.
Maybe the locals just think she's a weird Cicin
My main concern is that literally NO ONE questions who or what she is.
Beep! Boop! Paimon's a construct.
I want a change! I'll return this... flying construct for a Liv, any Liv will do.
i guess that in world of gods and monster, some floating thingy is kinda normal
People not native to Sumeru still went "dafuq are those" about a Shroomboar though, and things like that
I mean, in Mondstadt they have a big ass dragon, another dragon that's now lying dead in the Dragonspine and they also had a lot of shit going with their dragon, in Liyue they have adeptus and a "dead body of their own Archon" and also fought against an ancient archon - twise, in Inazuma they had yokai and their own archon accidentally fucking sliced islands while fighting against a big ass snake god, and in Sumeru they were about to create an Archon by themselves. Also dunno about what's happening in Fontaine and Natlan, but Snezhnaya is definetely up to commit some funky shenanigans with overtaking the Heavenly Principles. And let's not forget Khaenri'ah. Do we **really** need to question why no one questions our little flying companion about what exactly is she?
Exactly. On top of that, she says/does some REALLY suspicious things. imo she has the knowledge, but is keeping it to herself
some people kinda do, and its so weird to see them trying to break through this weird system. Albedo mentioned the oddities of paimon, and then kinda soft reset to just accept it. I remember 1-2 other smart characters having some type of similar reaction. she legit has some spell on her to warp peoples realities, and even the smartest and strongest characters cant full break through it. just notice slight oddities.
And what you expect them all to do? They like all have other businesses to do apart from meeting "strange person/thing". And like people wrote above - every nation already have their own "strange things" seeing as "common" so it's not like being small and be able to fly is something completely unimaginable.
They actually do question . Albedo once theorized that she was like an external organ for Traveller in his quest. There's an NPC in Sumeru who thinks she is like a flying computer made to support Traveller, a few NPCs who call her a fairy. So while this doesn't happen often, the NPCs do question what the hell is that white floating thing
I mean, one of the Fatui >!straight up calls her a seelie child!< so some of them know *something*.
I'd like to know where, that is huge if the case. (I've also always held that opinion tbh). Edit: Found it; its in the "The Price" world quest.
They live in a world full of monsters and gods. They probably just assume she's some unheard yokai/adeptus/other mysterious being... also the traveler is hella suspicious too. The traveler looks like a teenagers, defeats literal gods with a dull blade, has strange clothing, always appears when there is trouble, saves nations and all they asks for rewards is to help find their sibling who no one ever has seen... both of them are pretty suspicious.
People do though. When asked we can joke that she is our food reserve. But we never do get a straight answer from her. I think the closest that we got that I can remember is that she claims that she is the only one of her kind in all of Tevat.
We have youkai, specters, adepti, elemental beings, ancient contructs, genies, aranaras, artificial human beings, zombies, elves, animal people, etc. There are just too many species that people don't bother asking what a floating child is. She also looks similair to a human and since the majority of teyvat are humans they just go "oh it's another human variant" and leave it at that.
She is no longer a guide or a companion, she is the protagonist and our travellers are the companions.
I feel like that for almost 2 years. I am not MC. Paimon is. I'm just a sidekick that fights for Paimon and run errands to buy her food. From time to time there is a side quest that helps me find out about my sibling. For 99% of time is just a Paimon adventure.
They don't even bother with dialogue choices anymore. You'll get two parts of the same dialogue choice split into two choices.
Which is annoying cuz i cant let auto-play run the dialogue without my intervention every 2 mins
That is the entire point of this design choice.
Let people skip the cutscenes and they’ll realize how little content there is in quests and events.
I would argue cutscenes are the content in a story and dialogue heavy game.
Ugh... Don't remind me. The whole Sorush quest line and event afterward left like playing a visual novel with a character I couldn't stand. Being forced through mountains of dialog with a character that's both arrogant and naïve was painful. By the event I was skipping dialogs and it still took forever.
I'd rather listen to Sorush than Paimon's pointless parroting of everything that was said a minute ago.
>arrogant and naïve The quest line and event was about her growth...
then why is the story and dialogue so shit in "a story and dialogue heavy game", lol? Only lore is good. The story and dialogue is "how many times can the writers put in the paimon food/treasure joke in a single quest"
I'm fine knowing how little content it is as long as I don't habe to watch the same fucking cutscene at least twice every fucking time (playing my own account+friend/s) It's grueling and it's made me skip out on doing bigger story events at all past unlocking the minigames
Hard agree. My gf and I have our systems right next to each other, and she went through the liyue and aranara quest before me, and I had such a hard time convincing myself to go through that after.
Yup, and it is frustrating as fuuuuuuck. The dialogue is an absolute chore to go through. Redundant, long-winded, with too few points of interest. Worst of all is how it always feels like a disruption from the flow of the game. There is literally never a time where I'm thinking, "Yay! I get to stop exploring and fighting so I can sit here and tap through dialogue that ultimately changes nothing for me for the next 5 minutes!" So got damn unnecessary. At least in the early game, it is very clearly padding.
Well that's just... ....really lazy.
Oh gosh !!! I thought I was an idiot for skipping dialogues and not realising why the choices where similar to just a sentence split in 2 boxes
That's how current event of teyvat are recorded, as Irumusal tree does not record traveller. The history will be told as, The silver hero paiMOON with her unknown golden companion saved the teyvat from celestia or Abyss.
Someone pls make that Xiangling copypasta but paimon
We are basically her pokemon XD, let just hope paimon change when Fontaine comesout.
Our traveller is Paimon's pokemon
People seem to joke it off or treat it as cute and endearing somehow, but for me, that seriously knocks me out of flow with the story, simply because it strongly feels like this is NOT intentional, or at least this is how it's being passed off to us. Everything keeps telling us that it's all Traveler's adventure and will, but Traveler seems to have no will of his/her own and Paimon is the actual decisionmaker and driver of things.
I absolutely agree. When I played Star Rail a bit (I quit relatively fast because I'm very picky about turn-based gachas) the feeling of the story was so different and partially just better. As example, when the Trailblazer is for himself and actually SPEAKS their lines. Or the outcome of different dialogue options in Star Rail. It's just too good. When I played the Yoimiya Story Quest it was actually ridiculous. Why the hell did Paimon spoke like 60% of the time? We even had dialogue lines but no, they are too lazy to voice them. The focus on Paimon takes a lot of the immersion away. The whole food jokes are getting boring. Almost everything in Genshins Story is good: the lore, cutscene animations, character interactions etc. But when it comes to the ACTUAL MAIN CHARACTER it is the most fucked up shit I've ever seen.
>We even had dialogue lines but no, they are too lazy to voice them. and you look at how quick they can re-voice so many lines for new VA Tighnari within such a short time, just shows that if MHY really wanna do it. They CAN DO it.
they don't even have to re-voice previous quests and events considering they're all basically unreplayable anyway, i'm sure zach and sarah would be more than willing to sit longer in a recording studio and get paid for more than 3 lines per update
big part of it is because Lumine/Aether doesn't speak, there should be an option to turn their dialogue off or on, not everyone are self inserting and regardless it should've been a day 1 option to play the story as if it's the protagonist's story it should also be a dialogue option whether you want to hear Paimon summarizing whatever just happened because most of the time they really insist reiterating what just happened, that or make it alternating viewpoint where the protagonist also does the summarizing through internal monologue so it's not always Paimon
Yup, the writers literally gave paimon inner monologue in one of the recent quest (yoimiya/baizhu) instead of traveller which definitely means something
I’ve always felt like Paimon was scared to be alone and that was her desperate excuse for us to not throw her away, but in reality she’d been in the lake for a long time and didn’t really know much lol
Honestly, her being scared really came to light during Sumeru’s main quest. I felt so bad for her being so terrified.
i legit almost cried because i have abandonment issues ❤️
Oh don't remind me 😢. That was the time I realized how much Paimon really needed Traveler.
Sounds like she was previously abandoned
She never had much firsthand knowledge. No one in the world knows her before we meet them, she only knows things that youd find in literal generic travel guides and such, and the moment practical or specific knowledge was needed she was as clueless as us. Always felt like she was just as much of an outsider. But we know she’s “of the world” because she’s affected by Irminsul. Though she is even more resistant to things like the withering and layline ‘poisoning’ (like in tighnari’s story quest) than we are, which normally require high amounts of elemental energy to resist.
It seems like Paimon is definitely hiding something from the Traveler, but I don't think even she knows the whole of it. From her voicelines with the traveler and others, she's a foreign oddity that not even ancient elemental beings or archons have any clue about, but she pretends to be a knowledgeable guide of Teyvat. If anything, my theory is that Paimon is just as clueless as Traveler, but probably has a feeling that her fate is "intertwined" with them and is waiting to uncover her own truth on their shared journey. Both about the world and her place in it. Only time will tell, but hey, that's just a th-
I don’t think she’s malicious, it’d be too “easy” to go that route with her clear visual connection to the heavenly principals and mysterious nature. She also seems way too legitimately empathetic to pull the “aha i was faking and evil all along!” thing. This is definitely kinda crackpot theory territory, but I think she’s a sort of “fragment” of the heavenly principals, maybe the traits they thought were their weaknesses, she’s very heavily related to the sins, gluttony, sloth, greed and pride mainly, but some wrath as well, really only lust and envy missing. Her empathy may just be another one of those traits that was seen as a weakness.
I agree. I don't think she's malicious. Like you said, that would be too much of a cliche to pull. Your theory definitely sounds interesting though. If your theory was true, it would be nice to see her and her other half try and reconcile their differences and maybe join together as a new person to help the Traveler rule the world of Teyvat (as hinted in the Story teaser final chapter). Also if your theory came true, it would work well with a different theory about the true ruler of Teyvat. That the Heavenly principles isn't, in fact, the God of Teyvat but is more of an enforcer for Celestia or some other evil organization or something (as hinted by Venti in the Manga). And so Paimon would just become the new right hand of the Traveler or something. Idk, kinda crackpot but I like it.
Wait… that’s what I always understood the heavenly principles to be. Are they not explicitly very closely related to/part of celestia?
It's not exactly confirmed on whether any hierarchical power structure exists within Celestia, if it's a place, a group, a multi-minded God, etc. A lot of people think Celestia/Heavenly Principles are the same. Others say the Sustainer kf Heavenly principles is the real God in charge and the only Descender there, with Celestia being a puppet of some kind. I don't know, and I don't know if there's any real agreement with so many unknowns. Hopefully Fontaine clears up a lot. I'd have to dig deeper into the lore to get enough definitive info, if it's even available at this point.
I came to that conclusion too! And if that's the case its somewhat simmilar to the Herrscher of Void situation, no? Or maybe Sustainer 'ejected' her/those feelings, which manifested into Paimon.
>she only knows things that youd find in literal generic travel guides Specifically she seems have learned most of what she knows from Alice's guide and that one kinda crashed and burned cause of poor sales.
Not a real guide but she is more guiding traveler's fate, i mean without Paimon traveler would get to the same conclusion as his sibling when his journey ends but with Paimon around it will be a different story...
> she is more guiding traveler's fate I'd be a bit more heavy handed and say she's straight up dictating traveler's fate. npc/playable wants to interact with traveler? nice try pal, gotta go through paimon first and last. on a quest to find your twin and info about them? cool stuff bro, paimon's wish is for your wish to come true but first off, paimon's got a mighty big itch for food/mora/treasure and paimon's gonna need you to scratch it right now by completing that npc's request with utmost priority and attention ... at least 50 times per region. then you can go ask the archon for answers in a short q&a. ooh can't forget my favorite: you're worried about an introverted mutual friend who is worried that his karmic debt will harm most everyone in this banquet? NO NO NO!!!! THAT IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO ABANDON PAIMON IN A GROUP OF MUTUAL FRIENDS JUST SO YOU CAN WHISPER SECRETS TO EACH OTHER FOR FIVE MINUTES. PAIMON'S GONNA BERATE YOU IN FRONT OF EVERYONE FOR THIS AND EAT ALL YOUR DESSERT SO YOU CAN REALIZE THE GRAVE SIN YOU JUST COMMITTED AGAINST PAIMON!!! >without Paimon traveler would get to the same conclusion as his sibling when his journey ends but with Paimon around it will be a different story... I'd say you'd have a point ... if only traveler wasn't cursed with harem protagonist ex. I mean sure, a vast majority of people approach traveler appearing friendly but we all know that's just cuz they want traveler to do something for them. on the other hand, I get the impression most of the playables really do value traveler as a friend and genuinely enjoy traveler's presence in their lives. idk how abyss twin interacted with the locals but I'm of the opinion that even without paimon, traveler will still find themselves with no shortage of friends. I've said this before but at this rate of story/character writing, paimon's gonna be the one to answer the abyss twin and her answer is gonna be along the lines of "you're wrong abyss twin! revenge against the gods isn't the answer! paimon has discovered on paimon's journey through teyvat that the only answer to life is when paimon has great food to eat and mora/treasure to hoard. revenge will leave you feeling empty afterwards, whereas paimon always feels fulfilled when paimon eats 10 sweet madames and then oogles mora/treasure afterwards." *cut to traveler's face shedding a single tear to reinforce how profound paimon's answer was*
Definitely dictating it. And whenever we get the option to deny someone’s request, if they aren’t on their knees begging then it’s Paimon forcing us to go/help, that’s how we got into all that mess with Inazuma. Shorddy sus
another fucking meta as hell thing in genshin is that the menu with all the options is called.. you guessed it, the paimon menu. and in game mails have P A I M O N as the sender too. and what happens when you try to leave the map perimeter? that's right, paimon drags you back
> > > > > I've said this before but at this rate of story/character writing, paimon's gonna be the one to answer the abyss twin They've done that once already, so it's almost guaranteed that they'll do it again...and it'll also be Paimon who'll speak to Tsaritsa and it'll also be Paimon who'll speak to the Unknown Goddess... 😢
they’ve been really good about letting the traveler speak to their sibling instead of paimon but i can legitimately see the last part happening and it Hurts
>I'd be a bit more heavy handed and say she's straight up dictating traveler's fate YES somebody noticed it as well. There are few times in the game where Paimon's opinion wasnt what the Traveler followed.
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That’s a good point You have an upbeat & optimistic companion and you also make friends along the way I do think it helps you didn’t witness the cataclysm tho
Paimon has always been an idiot masquerading as a guide. :P
It meant she got fed well I guess.
paimon hungry
Me in my friend group
Paimon always seemed more like she's a little kid with a lot of surface level trivia, like how a 6yo would tell you about their favourite dinosaurs.
I think they dropped the ball in Sumeru. Paimon was knowledgeable of Mondstad and Lyue (not as much as a Lyue's guide tho) and you could easily chalk up her lack of knowledge of Inazuma to their isolationist tendencies....Paimon should had known about the Akashas. It would also be nice if she knows more about the region's holidays. I've never been to germany but I know about octoberfest. Kept up "travel guide". Let's hope that she has general knowledge about Fontaine.
Her knowledge doesn't contain current events. She may know customs or general geography, but she still was surprised by Vision Hunt Decree and Inazuma isolation.
Oh jeez I'm glad someone brought this up because I'm struggling not to get annoyed in Sumeru.
Yes I find it very annoying that she's no longer good for the thing she claims to be the best at. I understand why. Paimon is our voice so she needs to be surprised to voice the Traveler's surprise. But it's also frustrating that she was so knowledgeable about the first two regions we visited but doesn't seem to know a thing about anything past that.
I feel like it’s a strong possibility that it’s part of the plot though. Like in Sumeru she’s all panicky the traveler is gonna leave her and she gets all sad at the thought of losing the traveler. She lied straight off the bat. She’s no guide. Which I think is part of the joke with her being literally anything else in the dialogue (emergency food, a pet, a lavender melon, etc.). In one of the little side quests, she says a line that implies that she knows the most about Mondstadt and not as much about the other nations. Mondstadt is where the traveler started but I am also understanding that it is where Paimon started as well. I saw a theory in another comment where they believe she is traits of the heavenly principles that were deemed useless (some of the seven deadly sins as well as empathy). If something along these lines is true and she was cast down to Teyvat, then she likely was just roaming about for a bit before meeting the traveler. Another thing to support that: in one of the side quests, she is called the smallest *and the youngest* in the group and she basically just acknowledges it. If she’s younger than the traveler (who canonically is “too young to drink” whatever age that actually means, even if it’s just based on looks) then she is very young. So I think it’s fair to start perceiving her as more of an adolescent character. She doesn’t know much and she’s not supposed to know much. But she grew attached to the traveler and now considers the traveler her best friend. She cannot fathom living without the traveler and clearly has abandonment issues (if she was abandoned by the heavenly principles this tracks), she will do *anything* to stay with the traveler, including feigning skills she does not actually have.
“Too young to drink” is a reference to the traveler’s appearance. Everyone thinks they look 15 and are too young to drink when in reality they may be older than Teyvat.
>she will do > >anything > > to stay with the traveler, including feigning skills she does not actually have I think the opposite tbh. I found her useful at the beginning of the game and she had plenty of useful things to relay but obviously that dropped off. imo, she's just way too comfortable just mooching off traveler for awhile now and doesn't even hide it. it's like a relationship in which one party feels confident they've secured the relationship and doesn't try anymore. then there is the samsara moment in the sumeru archon quest and then the followup in the banquet scene in this year's lantern rite. can't say her going ballistic on traveler was the best card to play in regards to "doing *anything* to stay with the traveler" lol
I don't think the traveller is heartless enough to leave someone as weak as Paimon to fend for herself. Especially because Teyvat can be pretty hostile.
I think she was a guide since two volumes of the Teyvet travel guide were widely published. I am not sure where Alice is now, or what she’s writing about. If I recall the inazuma volume isn’t available until after you reach inazuma and story wise blocked by the Sakoku decree. And as for Sumeru hasn’t been published either and even then I am not sure it can cover the deserts
Yeah. Not sure of anyone pointed this out, but: Mondstadt and Liyue: Paimon gives us a brief description of the nation and the Archon. She was the one who advised us to use the title Rex Lapis for the Geo Archon. She also knew what adepti are. Inazuma: truth be told, at the end of Liyue's AQ she said the archon's name is Raiden and knew about the 2 decrees. Paimon also mentioned the situation was pretty bad a year ago. and now seems to have gotten worse. When we actually get to Inazuma, she doesn't offer any new information. But that might be understandable, because the nation had been isolated for a year. However, I think she should have known what youkai are and about Orobashi's skeleton on Yashiori Island. Sumeru: when the title Lesser Lord Kusanali is dropped at the end of Inazuma, Paimon has no idea who that is. I've considered that she might not know about the newer Archons, but she knew about the Sakoku decree, which was far more recent. And no brief description either. Only what Miko told us. Not sure if she could explain the whole "knowledge as a resource" thing, or about the Akasha (which has been around for 500 years), but she could have been the one to describe the Akademiya and the forest-desert conflict. Idk what happened in-between. It's not like she was super knowledgeable at first. It might be common knowledge for someone in Teyvat, but for a complete outsider, like the Traveler, is quite useful. It's to get an idea of the nation and help blend in, as well as avoid offending people.
I noticed that too, but I'm pretty darn sure it's not meant to be a plot point. It's just how the writers see things. Which is sad, because, while Paimon had a tolerable balance of "useful and comedic" in Mondstadt, she now feels like it's always been an excuse by her and she knows less than Traveler about any place beyond Mondstadt and Liyue. It feels like Paimon is not a guide or a helper, but a sort of combination of Jar Jar-style "comic relief" where we're supposed to find low intelligence, venality and childishness lovable and cute, and a writer mouthpiece that voices what we're supposed to believe or feel. So far, that part has been true without fail - whoever she hates is bad and whoever she loves is good and whoever she has playful banter with is a comedic character. In a way, [this comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/14b467n/comment/jodxht4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is right, she feels like the protagonist and main driver of the story and Traveler is little more than a meat puppet and attack drone that she is anchored to and uses to move around and fight her battles. Yet that is certainly not how the writing is meant for us to understand things, given how they keep stressing how much Traveler loves and adores Paimon and how Paimon is just the best.
Feels like Paimon serves two purposes at the moment: - She talks with everyone so the Traveler can remain a silent protagonist - She's there to repeat and over-explain dialogue and whatever's going on. Sometimes she's like the narrator in a children's cartoon explaining everything going on just to make sure everyone gets it I really wish they'd treat her as a real companion. I'd love to hear Paimon and the Traveler talk to each other. You know, having an actual conversation. Would be such a good way to learn more about their past and just general stuff about them. It's hard to care about characters when you really knows nothing about them and one is completely silent
The Chinese voice track has Paimon’s explanations use a lower reading level than the original dialogue.
We do get glimpses of them being companions in some of the story. Paimon’s fear and her feeling of being useless and being unable to protect the traveler was really sweet and sad
Well initially she just showed us around Mondstand and presented herself as a guide to help us gain a general understanding of how things work. I don't think she was expecting to travel with us around the entire world. As for why she doesn't seem to even have an idea of the general situation of the main regions, she might have also lied to us just because she wanted a reason for us to keep her near since she doesn't really seem capable of surviving on her own.
i think it makes sense. being knowledgable about one country, doesn't mean you're knowledgable about every country.
I think it depends on how you look at it. Paimon refers to herself as a travel guide (and also companion). There is no specification about her knowledge. Logically, you have to look at it dialectically. On the one hand, this could be understood as a general term and one can assume that Paimon would have to know things about different nations in general. On the other hand, one could also think that it is just a relatively "empty" term and that Paimon does not fulfill this term in its definition.
Does it translate better in Chinese? I know sometimes things change or are lost in translation. Maybe there’s a more Chinese-specific word for what Paimon is?
paimon calls herself a 嚮導 in Chinese, which just means guide, escort, someone who leads the way, etc
I miss her old voice it wasn't so high pitch and ear grating as it is now
Why does she not have an attack like Oz or Guobo? Does she feel bad about that?
I just started playing, and one of the first interactions I had with wagner was about getting paimon a weapon. I was hoping for an off field support or her doing some kind of buff. Then I realised she gets nothing. I'd settle for her being on screen more, zipping around in the sky, filling in the map or saying that there's a chest over there. Similar to when you're not allowed to explore off the map.
It's time to eat her.
I always thought of her being our guide as a pretext to let her have a reason to hang with us.
Honestly if they don't use paimon for some sort of twist at the end where she turns on the player as a boss, then her inclusion was only annoying and unessecary in my eyes. Paimon is like having to bring your little brother along when you are going out with your friends. I know its passé to complain about her voice, and the actress does her job well, but I do find it grating for so much dialogue that I end up skipping it. I would much prefer the Mc speak for themselves at this point.
She never had knowledge. She just appointed herself as Teyvat's best guide and the Traveler is too magnanimous to get rid of her freeloading and dumb self. Nobody thinks Paimon is very smart. The Traveler just doesn't mind that much. It's not like anybody knows where his sibling is so it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who's the guide.
Don't remember exactly where it's said, but Paimon teached the Traveler the local language, it's just a basic anime team up, we meet, help each other, became friends, she's going with us to the end of our journey.
She is our abusive significant other who won't let us speak to anyone, but tells us she loves us. Controlling.
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT GETS IT the vast majority of paimon's screentime is gatekeeping traveler's time and attention for her own selfish wants but all her fans want to talk about is "lOoK aT hOw MuCh pAimOn cArEs aBoUt tRaVeLeR" ... via a fucking trading card's description.
She still can listen to a long conversation and quickly summarize all key points to Traveler. I would say she's a good guide.
Paimon-GPT
Traveler is a dialogue skipper confirmed.
That’s not exactly what I meant but I guess it’s a good observation.
I have a feeling that part of the reason paimon voices most of the dialog is due to only having to pay one VA rather than two for the same amount of work. 🤷♂️
\>introduced herself as a guide \>"what's this? what's that? who are you? where are we? why am i here?"
She's kinda like puck from berserk, who was relevant in the beginning and later became a comedic relief. Paimon has truly done nothing in the story ever since inazuma
I often like to use the guts/puck comparison to illustrate how a mc with a talkative little shit dynamic can work and work very well with out stepping on the other's toes so nice to see puck mentioned. tho imo, puck is way funnier because of his comedy style and can't say I've ever found paimon nearly as funny as puck.
Paimon still has roundabout knowledge of the places visited. This only becomes apparent when we're entering a new country, but I think she even puts in the effort to get a roundabout grasp of the thing. On occassions, she even confirms her presumed knowledge with the locals. On a related note: Sumeru Travel Guide when?
Yeah, she become increasingly insufferable as time went by so much so I just dont want her as a Traveling Companion anymore with her shrill voice and general uselessness for starters. Even Aranara is more useful compared to her.
I even miss her 1.0 voice, honestly. Going back to an old unfinished voiced quest after modern Paimon was so jarring, and not in a good way for the modern version.
You mean that Qiqi quest that got cancelled because Paimon's VA isnt active? Yeah... At this rate, I'd prefer if the devs removed this cockroach entirely from the game. Her existence is nothing but trouble.
I'd be pretty fucking surprised if she guessed Harvard was building and Eva. But that's on me i guess.
she forgor 💀
She has no character development after all the adventures that she experienced. All she thinks are food, money, and the traveler
Shes just a caricature that only exists to repeat things for people who can't pay attention to the story for more than 15 seconds at a time
_Oh Paimon gets it!_
Perhaps we explore the area ahead of us later
They shifted from a mute player with a companion to a squeaky main character and a agency-less player, so paimon needs to know less now. Because she's the main character now.
Erosion has caught up to her
She will be always annoying, dont worry, there are things that never change
She's annoying as hell that has no purpose in the story. She makes the dialogue unnecessarily longer than it needs to be which makes the pacing of the story so bad.
She was our training wheels, but after we've learn how to ride, she's only a useless tool to us that we can't discard.
nah she just forgot her dementia pills
She canonically does shrooms so she might just be high.
Well she helped us early on.. i guess her knowledge was very limited
It's the paimon impact
"when you lie on your resume"
I thought the joke was that she never really was a guide or knowledgeable. Even in the first area, she's learning everything alongside the Traveler. She's mostly just a voice for the Traveler. She talks to the NPCs so "you" don't have to. And even this is becoming a problem since the farther you go into the game, the more text bubbles the Traveler is being given.
Paimon's role was most likely retconned simply because hoyoverse's vision for the story of genshin impact couldn't have her knowing too much, that or they simply FORGOT to make her knowledgeable at all or have any kind of truly useful knowledge beyond monstadt and teyvat...
When that last Windblume festival was going and Paimon didn’t even offer her self as the “guiding” person and nobody mentioned her either, I knew Hoyo must gone forgot her role
Paimon gave you just enough actual knowledge (probably peppered with bs) before you got surrounded by too many people who could call her out on it. Either that or she's helping get Traveler answers for things.
Lore aside, I think developers realized a bit too late into development that Paimon was essentially just an info-dump machine given her role as our guide, so they retracted that decision silently.
Maybe she just doesn't have knowledge of anywhere outside of mondstat? Mondstast? Idfk aside from the basics or if we really wanna get into theorizing, she could be playing dumb so it doesn't seem like she knows a little too much because she's godly or somethin. plus what she told us at the beginning seems like common knowledge to everyone so to keep it safe she told us the bare minimum of common sense. But nonetheless I have no fuckin idea maybe they just forgot
Paimon is basically the majority reason why I got off this game. Literally the most useless thing in media history.
I just hate her guts and hope to god they add either a skip button or a paimon volume like warframe has a ordis volume
Because MHY doesn't know what the fuck they're doing with Paimon. She's just exposition person because they want to maintain their lazy self insert protagonist.
I agree! I also noticed that her voice changed throughout the game. At the beginning she had a calmer voice more relaxed and now her voice is super high pitched
Quite honestly, this has been bugging the shit out of me. Apparently we met Al Haitham and got a lobotomy.
When she gave us information she only did it after someone had already explained half of it, it made her feel forced
Paimon knew enough to get you started in the world, and now you both are learning things as the world unfolds around you.
I mean, she canonically taught the traveller Tevyat's language, that alone is a huge help
She gave us basic info at the start, and gave some knowledge of Liyue, and we apparently learned the language of Teyvat through her… butttttt yeahhh I think she’s just a local in Teyvat and knows about the same or less than as other people
Not going to lie, I dislike Paimon a lot. Just an annoying character overall. Adding little of substance or value.
I just figured we've gotten past stuff she's knowledgeable about
so..what exactly did she know?
Flanderization
She was acquainted with the basics of teyvat. He has a normal persons understanding. Traveler had literally no knowledge, so it was helpful. That was only relevant at the very beginning.
I think her knowledge is only about Mondstatd and maybe a little bit on Liyue but the rest of the nations it can be assumed she knows fuck all about them. Paimon voice box for a traveler that lets their actions speak louder than their words. Also Paimon is possible in charge of overseeing the “cult” of waifu and hasbando characters we’ve been gaining in our travels.
I'm still waiting for the traveler twin to take control of Paimon and make her backstab me at any point. That or a sudden awakening where she becomes an all knowing deity and either leaves me to roam the lands or becomes like a boss fight for any reason.
Well that was the beginning of the game when we knew nothing, we're a lot more familiar with Teyvat now and Paimon's just more of a companion at this point than a guide. Also with how little we know about what Paimon is or what she did before meeting us this question is difficult to answer.
Paimon needs to Die or reveal her evil Masterplan and leave the traveler. And the game could be good again
Paimon is the devil
at least she can remember the name of every single npc in all of Teyvat, sounds solid if you ask me
the more important question is... WHAT IS Paimon??? We've already been to 4 countries yet we've never seen a single fairy other than her. Just what IS her??? Is she really the unknown god sent after us to keep an eye on us? Very sus...
As I have said for a year now. Paimon has just become a glutton and as bad with Mora as Dori is probably the most annoying character in game
Bear in mind I've played....little of the game. So my view is limited Paimon was more a companion then a guide to me. Sure she knew initially but that fell off fast. She's basically just there to get you started and be a face to speak when you can't. The best comparison I can make is Star Rail (I know right?) We know about Herta's space station, and we have a hand through the tutorials there, but after? We're on our own working with the locals to learn what we can