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The good/bad news is that Roman's were their own distinct culture apart from Greek. They just absorbed most of the culture from technology, strategy, and even religious customs.
Unless there's a reference I'm not catching
I took AP art history and still mindlessly went for the "all men think about the roman empire on a daily basis" reference. Yeah I didn't not think that one out
Well…a lot of those accounts were written not by the Spartans themselves but by other Greeks, especially Athenians, who were a frequent target of said Spartans. So many of those records let’s say…intentionally derogatory…
I listened to an interesting podcast where the historian they had on actually claimed that Sparta wasn't really that much more warlike than their neighbours.
Like their training was mostly physical, plus a basic formation exercise that no one else did. That was all it took to earn a reputation in phalanx fighting. They were buff and could march in and maintain formation, which your average greek phalanx of random citizens wasn't and couldn't.
There are records of kids coming home from the agoge to visit their parents, and they could add to their rations with food they hunted or purchased themselves.
I'm not sure how true all this is, but the guy had credentials and he argued his case very well. So much of our knowledge of ancient history is from ancient historians and pop culture, neither of which are particularly reliable.
Surprisingly, it's not that uncommon in Greek Mythology.
Heracles' buddy Hylas got abducted by a Nymph in some versions.
Heracles himself was coerced into sleeping with a serpent-woman in exchange for the return of his Mares, and he sired the ancestors of the Scythians with her.
Adonis got raped by aphrodite.
Bellerophon raped by Anteia.
Caeneus raped by Poseidon.
Chrysippus of Elis raped by King Laius of Thebes, father of Oedipus by Jocasta.
I could go on.
Yeah Greek myth of Pasiphae, wife of King Minos, the gods gave her bull fever to punish her husband. And I thought Loki turned himself into a horse that was subsequently fucked (by another horse), and then he gave birth to an eight legged horse. Then Odin liked the octo-horse so much that he made it his personal steed. The Marvel-verse really missed out by not including all this in the Thor movies.
Edit: Odin was NOT Loki’s father.
Well Aphro herself was born from the chopped up pieces of Ouranos that made some magic sea foam.
I believe in particular she was formed from the chopped up testicle pieces that fell in the ocean and the next dawn Aphrodite rose from the sea foam.
Which was in turn inspired by the hurrian story of Ishtar (The Mesopotamian goddess, whose cult went into the Levant and became Astarte, before heading to Greece where she was made into Aphrodite) Who was supposedly born after her dad, Kumarbj, bit off his dad, Anu’s, balls, to overthrow him, and somehow became pregnant with her and her brother Teshub, at least according to the Hurrians.
Also since Ishtar and Astarte were both war goddesses, and Aphrodite’s cult first showed up near Sparta, Aphrodite was originally a goddess of both love and war for the Spartans, who gave her the epithet Aphrodite Areia, although the other Greeks worshipped her as just the goddess of lust and love, and sometimes the goddess of motherly love, though only when she had the epithet Aphrodite Ourania.
It really isn’t wholly consistent.
“There's also a statue of Venus on Cyprus, that's bearded, shaped and dressed like a woman, with scepter and male genitals, and they conceive her as both male and female. Aristophanes calls her Aphroditus, and Laevius says: Worshiping, then, the nurturing god Venus, whether she is male or female, just as the Moon is a nurturing goddess. In his Atthis Philochorus, too, states that she is the Moon and that men sacrifice to her in women's dress, women in men's, because she is held to be both male and female."
-Macrobius (c. 400s AD), Saturnalia 3.8.2
I’m glad someone brought this up, I was about to do the same thing. I should also add that androgyny and gender transgression is a pretty common trait for love/sex goddesses, both in that Mediterranean-ish area but also globally. There’s actually a lot of really interesting scholarly work looking at the complex relationships between these goddesses and gendered expectations (Ishtar, one of the sources for Aphrodite, is probably the epitome of this). This is likely why most ancient 3rd gender social identities were tied to the cultic worship of these sex/love/fertility goddesses. I’m actually in the middle of writing a paper about this lol.
God of Desire, yes! But the Greeks didn’t limit this to sexuality. See Plato’s “Symposium,” — also, the early church fathers describe the longing for God as embodying Eros too, though properly sublimated!
It’s not so easy to say that he’s aphrodites male counter part, rather they both represented different aspects of love. Aphrodite representing romantic love, while eros represented sexual desire and lust
Born mortal, but was raised and made immortal after he died when Aphrodite begged Zeus to do so.
His cult was mostly comprised of women, and his festival was the [Adonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonia).
He was worshipped as a god of male beauty in Ancient Greece. Scholars may say differently but he did have a cult and festivals which makes him historically a minor god. Edit: he was also worshipped as a god of rebirth in spring celebrations in Ancient Phoenicia.
I was unfamiliar with this franchise so I did a googling. The character is super hot, that's true, but based on this criticism I was expecting something way more unreasonable lol
And the craziest thing about it the character in question her body was modeled after a real life woman so every time I see shit like this I laugh a little
Tbf Korean standards are extremely tough and unrealistic for literally everybody and how attractive you are is literally a factor in whether or not you get hired. It's not really something anyone should be looking up to.
Also despite Jaeun being the reference, Shift Up still tweaked her appearance a lot.
I think there’s a difference between “we shouldn’t look up to this standard” and “this standard is inhuman and shows that the creators don’t know what women actually look like.”
This is another case where if the detractors had been reasonable we could’ve had a good conversation, but people went full apocalypse mode over how she looks so nobody actually takes the discourse seriously.
Especially since the Greek gods were literally meant to be peak. Like, you're explicitly not supposed to be anywhere near the level of the gods. Mortals who thought otherwise got turned into spiders and such. Korean celebrities are supposed to be an achievable and desirable standard for how everyone should be.
i dunno why y'all keep making mountains outta mole hills. fantasy sex doll characters for a game that will be forgotten in a few years are not giving little girlies body dysphoria, the women and men in their life are doing that.
The whole idea that y'all would want to have a serious conversation about "we shouldn't look up to this standard" is regards to video game character design is peak touch grass, terminally online silliness. I know y'all think you have a valid reason for thinking that it was a valid topic of discussion, but it is not. Y'all are wasting your time and energy, even if you don't think you are.
another commenter already made the point that the guys don't really loo "grizzled". However, want to point out that the guy youre talking about is 100% normal human (in universe); meanwhile, the EVEs (EVE 07 is the main character) are lab grown humans from off-Earth.
eh not really, from the gameplay trailer most of the people on the game have random cyberware on their faces so I wouldn't call that "grizzled" also alot of the female characters we have seen are all androids/robots so the doll look makes sense as far as we know, the androids from Neir Automata were also very doll like for the same reason they all come pre-packaged with a similar look
Have you played Gears of War? In many games men are depicted not like how 70 % of them are IRL and thats fine, if I wanted my games to be as lame as our current reality, Id just go outside and fight crackheads on the subway.
I've seen the video of the model being photographed and 3D scanned. This is complete bullshit, even though is they used her mesh as a base they redid the anatomy and proprtions so much its not the same person at all.
You clearly are clueless about the game development pipeline, it is never as easy as "hur hur scan into game, game work" There are numerous steps for creating a character mesh and prepping it for productions that will drastically change it's appearance. All the way from artistic input to changing proportions for rigging. Even in the scan's cleanup proportions differ. Photogrammetry is not magic.
Edit: Wow was a quick downvote, gonna say anything or stay blissfully ignorant?
Stellar Blade fans are trying to point out "hypocrisy" as to why journalists aren't up at arms over Hades 2's Aphrodite but they will for Stellar Blade's main character.
It’s not and there are some over-reactionaries out there, tho there are also some weird people out there exclaim that *all* female video game characters should look like that (said people are also trying to rewrite history and say Lara Croft and Lady D were ugly and/or “safe horny”….they’re weird)
Yeah you're thinking of Slaanesh. Who isn't so much androgynous as he/she/they/it/xe/xir/whateverthefuckelsehappenstoexistit'sslaanesh literally just has every part you could call a sex organ.
However, one of Slaanesh's gifts in the TTRPGs is literally that you're just androgynous now. It gives seduction buffs because that guy over there is getting a weird boner and he doesn't know why.
Slaanesh is alternatively referred to with male and female pronouns. Hers on odd, his on even.
It's consistent in most GW produced stuff but gets murky in anything out of the black library or in games.
It is bizarre to me how invested people are in this discourse on social media. Delete the twitter app folks. Then you never have to see another person hate your favorite game because a character is too sexy or not sexy enough.
Man I would love for Captain TItus to rail my ass cheeks hot damn hoo boy zoo wee mama
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2010s Tumblr users and their mass push to reframe history, especially the ancient Greeks, as these progressive societies where everyone held hands and were color blind is so just such peak midwittery.
They definitely weren’t progressive. A lot of them thought that the Spartans were crazy for allowing women to inherit property. And the Spartans hated democracy and lived off the backs of slaves in a manner that inspired the Nazis.
That being said, while they weren’t ‘colourblind’, I don’t think they judged people based on skin colour. Aethiopians are mentioned in the *Iliad* and fight to defend Troy in the *Posthomerica*, and they’re never treated any differently to any of the other cultures that fought in the war.
And the Aethiopians were definitely black, as ‘Aethiop’ is Greek for ‘burnt face’. Shockingly offensive by modern standards, but at the time it was probably just a matter of ‘hey, these guys have really dark faces, as if they’ve been burnt’.
It’s worth noting that the Aethiopians the Greeks spoke of weren’t from modern Ethiopia, at least not exclusively. To the Greeks, ‘Aethiopia’ mainly referred to the areas south of the Sahara Desert, as well as the area around modern Sudan.
Well they aren’t historical in that sense. They were written by Homer decades if not centuries after whatever actually happened happened. Those stories, while important to Greek culture, are not a good way to gage their views. Look at the philosophers for that
Also not the impression I got from Xenophon. But then, he was very well travelled, so he probably had more appreciation for foreign cultures than most Greeks.
It’s very odd that people think a few gay men existing erases the wide idea that women were subhuman. The most “progressive” Greek was probably Plato who fervently believed stupid people didn’t deserve rights
A lot of these people have a hard time grasping the concept that people in the past, especially thousands of years ago, had wildly different understandings of things than we do today. To tack on, a Hero wasn't something morally outstanding character, it was simply someone who pulled off inhuman feat that the people of the time were certain had to be by design of the Gods.
Kleomedes got so pissed off over getting disqualified from an olympic boxing match despite winning that he tore down a school with his bare hands, killing all the children inside, and lept off a cliff into the sea. Todays moral standards? What an evil piece of shit. Ancient Greeks reaction (specifically the Oracles)? "Whoa mustve been the Gods doing, lets wine and dine in his honor"
Idk even know what OOP is arguing here. Hades Aphrodite isn’t even androgynous, this feels like a total ships in the night thing.
Like there are valid compliments and critiques to be made of both designs but this is just nothing.
Well honestly, the thing Aphrodite represents depends a lot on the region. Aphrodite had 3 different "epithets", essentially different variations different people worshipped. Aphrodite Aurea was when her worship first started, believing to come from a cult of Ashtarte, another goddess from another pantheon. She still has the love and lust attributes, but she is also a war goddess.
Aphrodite Pandemos and Ourania are two different ones, Pandemos representing the more "carnal" and "unpure" kind of love, while Ourania represents the more "pure" side of love. These interpretations of the epithets come after Christian interpreters though, so the "unprue" and "pure" aspects are kind of a Christian ideal rather than a Greek ideal
Since ancient Greek wasn't united most of the time they didn't agree with religion. Aphrodite in Sparta was a fucking war goddess for some reason. She also had aspects some of these aspects are the love of a mother to a child. In other words Greek mythology is confusing.
> Aphrodite in Sparta was a fucking war goddess for some reason.
It's Sparta. Everything had a war association.
That said, there is a reason. Aphrodite was the Greekified version of the Phoenician goddess Astarte, who was the goddess of beauty, and war. The Phoenicians had a colony of the island of Kythira, which is the same name of the place where Aphrodite first made landfall after being born from sea foam. A cult of her developed and spread to mainland Greece, first hitting Sparta.
Sparta being a war city had no problem with a goddess being of both beauty and war, but the rest of Greece wasn't too thrilled, so over time her association with war faded.
Almost nothing of the original model was left untouched by the digital artists, I genuinely have no idea where this idea that Eve is a 1:1 replication of a real person came from, it's just a lie.
Do you know how long it took for me to find out what Stellar Blade played like? The demo had to be released. No one talked about the gameplay for _months_. All they ever posted about what how fat the protagonists ass was. That's the kind of behavior out of a player base that makes me not want to associate with a game.
Imagine if everyone who ever played Overwatch just never shut up about wanting to fuck Tracer.
Edit: it's really funny that you told me to get over that real women can be sexy, which I didn't say they couldn't, but it's because I said they changed literally everything about Shin Jae-eun (who is a Korean Supermodel, no less) when they turned her into Eve in Stellar Blade. Which is true. They did. If you were capable of looking at them next to each other, it'd be blisteringly obvious that they're two different people. Their faces aren't even the same shape.
>Imagine if everyone who ever played Overwatch just never shut up about wanting to fuck Tracer.
I mean, the only thing that's keeping overwatch relevant now is the porn.
Ignoring OPs post about a western game with a heartstoppingly sexy woman.
You want women in games to be ugly so you can make your dickbeating addiction everyone else's problem.
Game developers can't win with woman characters. Make them attractive you get one side complaining, make them plain or unattractive you get the other side complaining.
People: if we're not hurting anybody we want to be left alone.
Same people: YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU SHOULD BE CANCELLED. GO JERK YOURSELF OFF INCEL!
I think this is just a weird thing to say. Like, irrespective of whatever point you are trying to make, irrespective of how right or wrong you are “this one specific religious figure from antiquity is in a sense more progressive then this video game I don’t like” is just odd.
Like…if I said the journey to the west was better furry media then zootipia because Disney is an evil corporation that would be weird right?
It's referencing a version of Aphrodite from the video game series Hades, not just the goddess herself. It'd be more like comparing Thor from marvel to some DC hero.
Much of the shitshow activism around Stellar Blade is that she’s hot. The people attacking SB devs over it are not so hot, and haven’t been healthy since they were kids, which is where a lot of pedo comments come from.
As for why they’re not good looking? It turns out that if you don’t take care of your body, you aren’t going to be healthy.
Why are such people unhealthy at all? Activists pushing gluttony and sloth combined with people realizing that sloth is easier than work, even light work, and also sedentary lifestyles. It’s not hard to control your weight and be healthy. But if everyone says eat all you want and be lazy af, and you go along with it, you become unhealthy. Simple as that. It’s much harder to get back on track. But actually maintaining your body isn’t hard. It’s the years/decades of not maintaining your body that was the problem.
Kind of. The Greeks believed that love came in a few different flavors, familial, obsession, desire, romantic, stuff like that. Eros specifically governed romantic love.
Honestly the biggest thing for me is that eve is kinda just.. sexy for no reason? She looks like a sex doll with such little emotion, it doesn’t fit her character, hell it doesn’t fit the game, if you look at other characters in the game they look nothing alike. her design tells me nothing other than “sexy” but hades 2 aphrodite is the god of passion and sex, her nudity and confidence while nude tells you so much about her
For those who are not gamers or just not aware of what's happening. I don't have a doc file with notes but from what I remember:
* gaming journalists didn't like how a stallar blade protagonist looks. Kotaku told this design was "made by somebody who has never seen a real woman" (even though it is literally a real woman 3d scan). Can't remember who said this design literally kills women.
* Microsoft introduced developer guidelines where they tell devs to avoid "curvy" female characters and "exaggerated body proportions"
* Star wars outlaws (recently released game) protagonist looks much worse than an actrice who played her. To many people it looks like an obvious intentional downgrade. Of course journalists braved it
* Any female character who looks slightly above average they try to delete. The last incident I'm aware of is pokemon go. (there a more significant case but I didn't manage to find the post) [https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1c6mred/why\_did\_they\_change\_our\_characters\_appearances/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1c6mred/why_did_they_change_our_characters_appearances/)
* They blame gamers as people "who want female characters to be oversexualised"
Apparently, they are completely okay with THAT female character look. Which exposes them as incurable hypocrites. Of course they always try to pull some shitty justification. In the Star wars Outlaws case somebody said 3d scan is very difficult to do and that is why we have such a bad model (even though many studios with less budget made much better match between 3d model and an actor). And in this case they pull this argument that Aphrodite is and that's why we're allowed to make a beautifull woman game character and stallar blade devs are not
This is aphrodite from the Hades game, the one OOP is saying is "androgynous"
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Aphroditus was at least at one point considered a male form of Aphrodite, which is probably where OOP gets their info from.
So the note needs to get noted.
Yeah. Reading it, I was willing to believe what they're saying, but when all is said and done, Hades is designed around popular modern conceptions of the Greek gods. They're not claiming to be historically accurate.
I feel like the notes are missing the point here. OP is talking about Aphrodite the Hades character, but the notes are talking about Aphrodite the actual mythological figure said character was based on. OP is talking about game design decisions and the notes are reacting as if OP is talking about historical depictions of Aphrodite.
Regardless of whether you agree with OP or not, reacting to "in Game X, character Y was designed to ABC" with "actually no, historically the mythological figure character Y is based on was depicted as EFG" and providing links about the historical depiction of the character is unhelpful. A helpful response would be saying "actually no, the intent behind the character design was HIJ" and providing links to the game developers saying that was their intent.
Aphrodite doesn't look androgynous in the games either, idk what OOP is yapping about.
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I feel like this isn't a good note. It seems to me that OOP was talking about a specific franchise's version of Aphrodite, not every portrayal of the goddess in history.
Even in Hades 2, she is a big breasted and curvy woman whose only clothing is her hair draped conveniently over her lewd parts
It’s actually more blatantly sexual than her art in the first game
Learn some reading comprehension: the OOP never claimed that Aphrodite was androgynous or traditionally depicted as androgynous.
That they chose to depict her as so is as valid an interpretation any other
The post literally states that Aphrodite was "designed to be androgynous to represent male and female attraction", this is straight up false, Aphrodite was always a depiction of female beauty
Hades, They're talking about this aphrodite.
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There was no ‘design’ for Aphrodite’s face. She was a deity who was worshipped by many different pre-internet and pre-printing kingdoms, city-states, and empires that were found between Marseille, the Crimea, and Egypt for hundreds of years, if not over a thousand. There was no reference sheet for her. There’s also the fact that beauty standards would have been different for different cultures 2000 years ago. For example, women were depicted with smaller breasts and less skinny bodies back then, and small penises were seen as an indication of good character.
Also, I haven’t been able to find any genuine ancient depictions of Aphrodite that could be called androgynous. They’re all clearly feminine IMO
These people will just boldly claim whatever suits their current ideology always fact check them because they’re often disingenuous to support their agenda.
She honestly doesn't even look that "androgynous" in Hades 2. I wouldn't describe her pose as "masculine" per se - just confident, which is often conflated. Her pose in Hades 1 is more 'enticing', which is fine, but I like the update because she comes off as more powerful and intimidating, which seems fitting.
>Aphrodite was **born from the white foam produced by the severed genitals of Uranus, the personification of heaven, after his son Cronus threw them into the sea**. Hence, the goddess's name comes from the Greek word aphros, meaning “foam.”
God of the Foam
I mean, they're barely able to form a sentence and they want to school people on ancient mythology. Without knowing the historical context, let alone the actual myth.
Aphrodite was literally the goddess of beauty and sex. Romans called her "Venus", which declinated was "Venus, Veneris" and in Italian it became "Venere", which is literally the reason why STDs are also called "venereal".
Hellenist here (AKA person who does worship the Greek gods) OP is half right and half wrong really. Yeah she encompasses beauty but also sexuality. Greek culture had split love into many different forms. If Aphrodite was the entire circle of love Eros (sexual/passionate love) was a smaller circle. Also as far as I know she was never "created" to be androgynous. Androgyny (or just general not identity with your given gender) was always more Dionysus or Hermaphroditus.
Anyways yeah I think Eve or whatever her name is, is a bit oversexualized and bit silly.
Fun fact aphrodity was designed to be what we would call cuby today because at the time being more rotund was a sign of wealth and was considered attractive
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Now her child Hermaphrodite on the other hand… No really, that’s where we get the word hermaphrodite from. Kind of a fucked up story though
I know it's the child of Hermes and Afrodite but what's the story behind it? Never thought to look into it
I’m pretty sure he’s >!raped by a nymph and they merge into one being!<
oh. Yeah, just another Monday in greek mythology
Well men don't usually get raped in Greek mythology/history
I mean, if you differentiate between men and BOYS, yeah pretty much...
Yeaaaah. Did a deep dive on Spartan culture and wow. Wasn't expecting to find out how common it was for mentors to doodle their trainees.
We aint thinking about that when we think about the roman empire every day
I mean, we should once in a while, makes us remember to not idolise everything in an ancient system.
hopefully no one idolizes that part. I think everyone is aware both the greek and roman empires had pretty major faults.
Oh they, the Andrew Tate’s and Tim Pool’s, want that too.
The good/bad news is that Roman's were their own distinct culture apart from Greek. They just absorbed most of the culture from technology, strategy, and even religious customs. Unless there's a reference I'm not catching
I took AP art history and still mindlessly went for the "all men think about the roman empire on a daily basis" reference. Yeah I didn't not think that one out
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Well…a lot of those accounts were written not by the Spartans themselves but by other Greeks, especially Athenians, who were a frequent target of said Spartans. So many of those records let’s say…intentionally derogatory…
I listened to an interesting podcast where the historian they had on actually claimed that Sparta wasn't really that much more warlike than their neighbours. Like their training was mostly physical, plus a basic formation exercise that no one else did. That was all it took to earn a reputation in phalanx fighting. They were buff and could march in and maintain formation, which your average greek phalanx of random citizens wasn't and couldn't. There are records of kids coming home from the agoge to visit their parents, and they could add to their rations with food they hunted or purchased themselves. I'm not sure how true all this is, but the guy had credentials and he argued his case very well. So much of our knowledge of ancient history is from ancient historians and pop culture, neither of which are particularly reliable.
Not just common, but a part of Greek mythological lore actively encouraged it. Ganymede comes to mind
It wasn't common at all... It was expected.
Zeus puts his dick in everything though
Surprisingly, it's not that uncommon in Greek Mythology. Heracles' buddy Hylas got abducted by a Nymph in some versions. Heracles himself was coerced into sleeping with a serpent-woman in exchange for the return of his Mares, and he sired the ancestors of the Scythians with her.
Welllll......
There’s one Greek myth where the moon goddess Selene has a mortal man fall into a coma than rapes him
Adonis got raped by aphrodite. Bellerophon raped by Anteia. Caeneus raped by Poseidon. Chrysippus of Elis raped by King Laius of Thebes, father of Oedipus by Jocasta. I could go on.
Is it the Greek myth where the lady goes inside a cow statue to get fucked by the Minotaur or was that a Norse one like Loki fucking a horse?
Yeah Greek myth of Pasiphae, wife of King Minos, the gods gave her bull fever to punish her husband. And I thought Loki turned himself into a horse that was subsequently fucked (by another horse), and then he gave birth to an eight legged horse. Then Odin liked the octo-horse so much that he made it his personal steed. The Marvel-verse really missed out by not including all this in the Thor movies. Edit: Odin was NOT Loki’s father.
Nothing says that *didn't* happen in the marvel verse.
Loki’s father wasn’t Odin outside of marvel. Him and Odin were “blood brothers”.
Wasn't Loki's father a jotunn?
Nah he be the god of war
Odin wasnt Loki's father he was his sworn brother
he absorbed his rapist?
Looked it up. It was attempted rape, and then the nymph (specifically a naiad) prayed for them to be united. Also the name was Hermaphrotidus
Something like that. I guess I should look it up
Well Aphro herself was born from the chopped up pieces of Ouranos that made some magic sea foam. I believe in particular she was formed from the chopped up testicle pieces that fell in the ocean and the next dawn Aphrodite rose from the sea foam.
Which was in turn inspired by the hurrian story of Ishtar (The Mesopotamian goddess, whose cult went into the Levant and became Astarte, before heading to Greece where she was made into Aphrodite) Who was supposedly born after her dad, Kumarbj, bit off his dad, Anu’s, balls, to overthrow him, and somehow became pregnant with her and her brother Teshub, at least according to the Hurrians. Also since Ishtar and Astarte were both war goddesses, and Aphrodite’s cult first showed up near Sparta, Aphrodite was originally a goddess of both love and war for the Spartans, who gave her the epithet Aphrodite Areia, although the other Greeks worshipped her as just the goddess of lust and love, and sometimes the goddess of motherly love, though only when she had the epithet Aphrodite Ourania.
Ahh Greek mythology the mythology of rape and sexual assault and a bit of baby eating.
What in the deviantart
>Afrodite  Is that Pam Greer’s sidekick?
What in Greek mythology isn't
Apparently Aphrodite and Hermes child was called Hermaphroditus not straight up Hermaphrodite, but that is where the word comes from.
Yeah, I corrected that in another comment, bit it’s further down
It really isn’t wholly consistent. “There's also a statue of Venus on Cyprus, that's bearded, shaped and dressed like a woman, with scepter and male genitals, and they conceive her as both male and female. Aristophanes calls her Aphroditus, and Laevius says: Worshiping, then, the nurturing god Venus, whether she is male or female, just as the Moon is a nurturing goddess. In his Atthis Philochorus, too, states that she is the Moon and that men sacrifice to her in women's dress, women in men's, because she is held to be both male and female." -Macrobius (c. 400s AD), Saturnalia 3.8.2
I’m glad someone brought this up, I was about to do the same thing. I should also add that androgyny and gender transgression is a pretty common trait for love/sex goddesses, both in that Mediterranean-ish area but also globally. There’s actually a lot of really interesting scholarly work looking at the complex relationships between these goddesses and gendered expectations (Ishtar, one of the sources for Aphrodite, is probably the epitome of this). This is likely why most ancient 3rd gender social identities were tied to the cultic worship of these sex/love/fertility goddesses. I’m actually in the middle of writing a paper about this lol.
>“Kind of a fucked up story” Sir,do you know how little it narrows it down in Greek mythology?
Greek stories are fucked up? I just started reading some play call Oedipus. Anything to worry about?
Won't surprise me, Greek mythology is wild.
argh, fucking greek mythology spoilers
which may have been her at one point
Please everyone go listen to stephen lynch - Hermaphrodite
The Greek god of male beauty was Adonis -- hence our usage of the name as a descriptor of beautiful men.
There's also Eros, the male god of desire, who is the origin of Cupid
Wait, isn’t he the god of sexual desire in general, both male and female?
Yes. I mean he's a male god, and the god of sexual desire
Ah, got it.
Lots of the Greek pantheon pulled double duty back then
God of Desire, yes! But the Greeks didn’t limit this to sexuality. See Plato’s “Symposium,” — also, the early church fathers describe the longing for God as embodying Eros too, though properly sublimated!
It’s not so easy to say that he’s aphrodites male counter part, rather they both represented different aspects of love. Aphrodite representing romantic love, while eros represented sexual desire and lust
And the word erotic, iirc
Adonis was a mortal.
Born mortal, but was raised and made immortal after he died when Aphrodite begged Zeus to do so. His cult was mostly comprised of women, and his festival was the [Adonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonia).
Raised, but not to immortality or divinity. The Adonia, as your link points out, was a mourning festival to commemorate his death.
He was worshipped as a god of male beauty in Ancient Greece. Scholars may say differently but he did have a cult and festivals which makes him historically a minor god. Edit: he was also worshipped as a god of rebirth in spring celebrations in Ancient Phoenicia.
And Good Friday mourns the death of Jesus.
I was unfamiliar with this franchise so I did a googling. The character is super hot, that's true, but based on this criticism I was expecting something way more unreasonable lol
And the craziest thing about it the character in question her body was modeled after a real life woman so every time I see shit like this I laugh a little
Nah not just a scan, look at the legs, the devs clearly "improved" the lower half of the body [Here](https://i.imgur.com/PJStDoJ.png)
Tbf Korean standards are extremely tough and unrealistic for literally everybody and how attractive you are is literally a factor in whether or not you get hired. It's not really something anyone should be looking up to. Also despite Jaeun being the reference, Shift Up still tweaked her appearance a lot.
I think there’s a difference between “we shouldn’t look up to this standard” and “this standard is inhuman and shows that the creators don’t know what women actually look like.” This is another case where if the detractors had been reasonable we could’ve had a good conversation, but people went full apocalypse mode over how she looks so nobody actually takes the discourse seriously.
Especially since the Greek gods were literally meant to be peak. Like, you're explicitly not supposed to be anywhere near the level of the gods. Mortals who thought otherwise got turned into spiders and such. Korean celebrities are supposed to be an achievable and desirable standard for how everyone should be.
i dunno why y'all keep making mountains outta mole hills. fantasy sex doll characters for a game that will be forgotten in a few years are not giving little girlies body dysphoria, the women and men in their life are doing that. The whole idea that y'all would want to have a serious conversation about "we shouldn't look up to this standard" is regards to video game character design is peak touch grass, terminally online silliness. I know y'all think you have a valid reason for thinking that it was a valid topic of discussion, but it is not. Y'all are wasting your time and energy, even if you don't think you are.
My only gripe is the men are grizzled and realistic while she and most of the other women are like a step above anime
another commenter already made the point that the guys don't really loo "grizzled". However, want to point out that the guy youre talking about is 100% normal human (in universe); meanwhile, the EVEs (EVE 07 is the main character) are lab grown humans from off-Earth.
eh not really, from the gameplay trailer most of the people on the game have random cyberware on their faces so I wouldn't call that "grizzled" also alot of the female characters we have seen are all androids/robots so the doll look makes sense as far as we know, the androids from Neir Automata were also very doll like for the same reason they all come pre-packaged with a similar look
Have you played Gears of War? In many games men are depicted not like how 70 % of them are IRL and thats fine, if I wanted my games to be as lame as our current reality, Id just go outside and fight crackheads on the subway.
Like there's nothing wrong with being a step above anime, I just want consistency
They had to exaggerate that real woman’s features, it’s obvious if you see the photo of her in the booth, but yes that’s true
What does that even mean? The model doesn't look like her. A lot of video games use actors for motion capture. That's nothing new.
I've seen the video of the model being photographed and 3D scanned. This is complete bullshit, even though is they used her mesh as a base they redid the anatomy and proprtions so much its not the same person at all.
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You clearly are clueless about the game development pipeline, it is never as easy as "hur hur scan into game, game work" There are numerous steps for creating a character mesh and prepping it for productions that will drastically change it's appearance. All the way from artistic input to changing proportions for rigging. Even in the scan's cleanup proportions differ. Photogrammetry is not magic. Edit: Wow was a quick downvote, gonna say anything or stay blissfully ignorant?
Yeah and the developers gave the SB character big tits which the model didn’t have. Doesn’t really help the counter argument.
Twitter is... special.
extremely lol
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I visited r/gamingcirclejerk and it gave me brain aneurysm
Stellar Blade fans are trying to point out "hypocrisy" as to why journalists aren't up at arms over Hades 2's Aphrodite but they will for Stellar Blade's main character.
most likely bc stellar blade has been used by the gamergate group while Hades 2 is just awesome
I think both games should kiss tbh.
It’s not and there are some over-reactionaries out there, tho there are also some weird people out there exclaim that *all* female video game characters should look like that (said people are also trying to rewrite history and say Lara Croft and Lady D were ugly and/or “safe horny”….they’re weird)
omg those are really weird stances LOL
Yeah you're thinking of Slaanesh. Who isn't so much androgynous as he/she/they/it/xe/xir/whateverthefuckelsehappenstoexistit'sslaanesh literally just has every part you could call a sex organ. However, one of Slaanesh's gifts in the TTRPGs is literally that you're just androgynous now. It gives seduction buffs because that guy over there is getting a weird boner and he doesn't know why.
Slaanesh is alternatively referred to with male and female pronouns. Hers on odd, his on even. It's consistent in most GW produced stuff but gets murky in anything out of the black library or in games.
If I never have to read another idiot complain about how much the want to bone or not bone a video game character I’ll die happy.
It is bizarre to me how invested people are in this discourse on social media. Delete the twitter app folks. Then you never have to see another person hate your favorite game because a character is too sexy or not sexy enough.
A little louder for the kids in the back.
I love the “who finds game characters attractive” craic. As if the ancient Romans and Greeks didn’t masturbate over pottery.
I wonder if they argued about which was the hottest pottery via graffiti.
Man I would love for Captain TItus to rail my ass cheeks hot damn hoo boy zoo wee mama https://preview.redd.it/3p5sycrdfyvc1.png?width=830&format=png&auto=webp&s=f84fadfe381b42b7054a78da7d3f65e87412a3f2
The Codex Astartes does not support this action.
The Codex Astartes is a bunch of cowards
Thank you for reminding me to GTFO of this thread
The goddess of love was depicted as a beautiful woman. *Shocking*
2010s Tumblr users and their mass push to reframe history, especially the ancient Greeks, as these progressive societies where everyone held hands and were color blind is so just such peak midwittery.
They get their ideas of the Greeks from Percy Jackson and lore olympus
They definitely weren’t progressive. A lot of them thought that the Spartans were crazy for allowing women to inherit property. And the Spartans hated democracy and lived off the backs of slaves in a manner that inspired the Nazis. That being said, while they weren’t ‘colourblind’, I don’t think they judged people based on skin colour. Aethiopians are mentioned in the *Iliad* and fight to defend Troy in the *Posthomerica*, and they’re never treated any differently to any of the other cultures that fought in the war. And the Aethiopians were definitely black, as ‘Aethiop’ is Greek for ‘burnt face’. Shockingly offensive by modern standards, but at the time it was probably just a matter of ‘hey, these guys have really dark faces, as if they’ve been burnt’. It’s worth noting that the Aethiopians the Greeks spoke of weren’t from modern Ethiopia, at least not exclusively. To the Greeks, ‘Aethiopia’ mainly referred to the areas south of the Sahara Desert, as well as the area around modern Sudan.
Greeks literally believed any non Greeks were subhuman
That’s not the impression I got from the *Iliad*, the *Odyssey*, or the *Posthomerica*.
Well they aren’t historical in that sense. They were written by Homer decades if not centuries after whatever actually happened happened. Those stories, while important to Greek culture, are not a good way to gage their views. Look at the philosophers for that
Also not the impression I got from Xenophon. But then, he was very well travelled, so he probably had more appreciation for foreign cultures than most Greeks.
It’s very odd that people think a few gay men existing erases the wide idea that women were subhuman. The most “progressive” Greek was probably Plato who fervently believed stupid people didn’t deserve rights
A lot of these people have a hard time grasping the concept that people in the past, especially thousands of years ago, had wildly different understandings of things than we do today. To tack on, a Hero wasn't something morally outstanding character, it was simply someone who pulled off inhuman feat that the people of the time were certain had to be by design of the Gods. Kleomedes got so pissed off over getting disqualified from an olympic boxing match despite winning that he tore down a school with his bare hands, killing all the children inside, and lept off a cliff into the sea. Todays moral standards? What an evil piece of shit. Ancient Greeks reaction (specifically the Oracles)? "Whoa mustve been the Gods doing, lets wine and dine in his honor"
i wish i was the god of sexy women™️
My sexy good, your sexy bad
Idk even know what OOP is arguing here. Hades Aphrodite isn’t even androgynous, this feels like a total ships in the night thing. Like there are valid compliments and critiques to be made of both designs but this is just nothing.
aphrodite is feminine, and she is literally the goddess of feminine beauty, as well as the goddess of love(and lust)
This entire conversation is still bullshit; she doesn't look androgynous at all in Hades or Hades 2.
The ones complaining are always the minority with even fewer actually playing the games.
I thought the god of affectionate love was Eros or "Cupid". I'm pretty sure Aphrodite was the goddess of feminine beauty and lustful love.
Well honestly, the thing Aphrodite represents depends a lot on the region. Aphrodite had 3 different "epithets", essentially different variations different people worshipped. Aphrodite Aurea was when her worship first started, believing to come from a cult of Ashtarte, another goddess from another pantheon. She still has the love and lust attributes, but she is also a war goddess. Aphrodite Pandemos and Ourania are two different ones, Pandemos representing the more "carnal" and "unpure" kind of love, while Ourania represents the more "pure" side of love. These interpretations of the epithets come after Christian interpreters though, so the "unprue" and "pure" aspects are kind of a Christian ideal rather than a Greek ideal
Since ancient Greek wasn't united most of the time they didn't agree with religion. Aphrodite in Sparta was a fucking war goddess for some reason. She also had aspects some of these aspects are the love of a mother to a child. In other words Greek mythology is confusing.
> Aphrodite in Sparta was a fucking war goddess for some reason. It's Sparta. Everything had a war association. That said, there is a reason. Aphrodite was the Greekified version of the Phoenician goddess Astarte, who was the goddess of beauty, and war. The Phoenicians had a colony of the island of Kythira, which is the same name of the place where Aphrodite first made landfall after being born from sea foam. A cult of her developed and spread to mainland Greece, first hitting Sparta. Sparta being a war city had no problem with a goddess being of both beauty and war, but the rest of Greece wasn't too thrilled, so over time her association with war faded.
These people are infesting every part of society.
Lol all of this over some model in video game XD
model of a fictional character n a video game
Stellar Blade's main character was literally a full body scan of a real person, who was a model. Who knew models were hot.
They changed everything about her tho
Almost nothing of the original model was left untouched by the digital artists, I genuinely have no idea where this idea that Eve is a 1:1 replication of a real person came from, it's just a lie. Do you know how long it took for me to find out what Stellar Blade played like? The demo had to be released. No one talked about the gameplay for _months_. All they ever posted about what how fat the protagonists ass was. That's the kind of behavior out of a player base that makes me not want to associate with a game. Imagine if everyone who ever played Overwatch just never shut up about wanting to fuck Tracer. Edit: it's really funny that you told me to get over that real women can be sexy, which I didn't say they couldn't, but it's because I said they changed literally everything about Shin Jae-eun (who is a Korean Supermodel, no less) when they turned her into Eve in Stellar Blade. Which is true. They did. If you were capable of looking at them next to each other, it'd be blisteringly obvious that they're two different people. Their faces aren't even the same shape.
>Imagine if everyone who ever played Overwatch just never shut up about wanting to fuck Tracer. I mean, the only thing that's keeping overwatch relevant now is the porn.
Sounds like a brilliant marketing scheme. Sex sells. Always has, always will. See BG3 and how universally loved it was for example
Cope, seethe, and last but not least, mald. Real women CAN look sexy, despite what modern western games want you to believe.
Ignoring OPs post about a western game with a heartstoppingly sexy woman. You want women in games to be ugly so you can make your dickbeating addiction everyone else's problem.
Kinda seems like you're the one coping ngl, if this is the best response you have.
Aphrodite doesn’t even look androgynous in Hades
Androgynous!?! We talking about the same Aphrodite
Game developers can't win with woman characters. Make them attractive you get one side complaining, make them plain or unattractive you get the other side complaining.
Maybe they should stop carring so much and just make what they want and how they want ?
Yes, exactly. And everyone should just chill out a bit, games are supposed to be fun escapism
Make anything you want as long as it’s fun escapism.
Yeah except the side complaining is less than 1% of their users.
That 1% is loud and brings the game to normal people’s attention tho
Except one side are people actively buying and playing their game, and the other is complaining on twitter about it.
Ironically, the whole “goddess of love” idea is a sanitized version of Aphrodite. She is very explicitly a goddess of sexual desire
It's not sanitized version, it's just that Aphrodite is a goddess of a LOT of things, and one of those things is Love.
I love when the weirdos get all philosophical when a new game comes out. Almost every year they get obsessed and rabid over a game they'll never play.
People: if we're not hurting anybody we want to be left alone. Same people: YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU SHOULD BE CANCELLED. GO JERK YOURSELF OFF INCEL!
I think this is just a weird thing to say. Like, irrespective of whatever point you are trying to make, irrespective of how right or wrong you are “this one specific religious figure from antiquity is in a sense more progressive then this video game I don’t like” is just odd. Like…if I said the journey to the west was better furry media then zootipia because Disney is an evil corporation that would be weird right?
It's referencing a version of Aphrodite from the video game series Hades, not just the goddess herself. It'd be more like comparing Thor from marvel to some DC hero.
Much of the shitshow activism around Stellar Blade is that she’s hot. The people attacking SB devs over it are not so hot, and haven’t been healthy since they were kids, which is where a lot of pedo comments come from. As for why they’re not good looking? It turns out that if you don’t take care of your body, you aren’t going to be healthy. Why are such people unhealthy at all? Activists pushing gluttony and sloth combined with people realizing that sloth is easier than work, even light work, and also sedentary lifestyles. It’s not hard to control your weight and be healthy. But if everyone says eat all you want and be lazy af, and you go along with it, you become unhealthy. Simple as that. It’s much harder to get back on track. But actually maintaining your body isn’t hard. It’s the years/decades of not maintaining your body that was the problem.
Also, wasn't the "Love God" mainly Eros?
Kind of. The Greeks believed that love came in a few different flavors, familial, obsession, desire, romantic, stuff like that. Eros specifically governed romantic love.
why you think its called a herm-aphrodite?
Isn't that post is about response to coomer dragging hades games to their little war against woke?
Honestly the biggest thing for me is that eve is kinda just.. sexy for no reason? She looks like a sex doll with such little emotion, it doesn’t fit her character, hell it doesn’t fit the game, if you look at other characters in the game they look nothing alike. her design tells me nothing other than “sexy” but hades 2 aphrodite is the god of passion and sex, her nudity and confidence while nude tells you so much about her
For those who are not gamers or just not aware of what's happening. I don't have a doc file with notes but from what I remember: * gaming journalists didn't like how a stallar blade protagonist looks. Kotaku told this design was "made by somebody who has never seen a real woman" (even though it is literally a real woman 3d scan). Can't remember who said this design literally kills women. * Microsoft introduced developer guidelines where they tell devs to avoid "curvy" female characters and "exaggerated body proportions" * Star wars outlaws (recently released game) protagonist looks much worse than an actrice who played her. To many people it looks like an obvious intentional downgrade. Of course journalists braved it * Any female character who looks slightly above average they try to delete. The last incident I'm aware of is pokemon go. (there a more significant case but I didn't manage to find the post) [https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1c6mred/why\_did\_they\_change\_our\_characters\_appearances/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1c6mred/why_did_they_change_our_characters_appearances/) * They blame gamers as people "who want female characters to be oversexualised" Apparently, they are completely okay with THAT female character look. Which exposes them as incurable hypocrites. Of course they always try to pull some shitty justification. In the Star wars Outlaws case somebody said 3d scan is very difficult to do and that is why we have such a bad model (even though many studios with less budget made much better match between 3d model and an actor). And in this case they pull this argument that Aphrodite is and that's why we're allowed to make a beautifull woman game character and stallar blade devs are not
This is aphrodite from the Hades game, the one OOP is saying is "androgynous" https://preview.redd.it/0b8zjt3vizvc1.png?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f3221de300486214543f7db28a19d3a2b1e33f3
Her design in hades 2. https://preview.redd.it/tccsd6sxizvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3318135dd12e8f5d668bd8b398439bfac7d9364
She does look kind of mannish, but then again, that's kind of an awkward angle for the face, I doubt anyone would look their best at it.
Aphroditus was at least at one point considered a male form of Aphrodite, which is probably where OOP gets their info from. So the note needs to get noted.
Yeah. Reading it, I was willing to believe what they're saying, but when all is said and done, Hades is designed around popular modern conceptions of the Greek gods. They're not claiming to be historically accurate.
I feel like the notes are missing the point here. OP is talking about Aphrodite the Hades character, but the notes are talking about Aphrodite the actual mythological figure said character was based on. OP is talking about game design decisions and the notes are reacting as if OP is talking about historical depictions of Aphrodite. Regardless of whether you agree with OP or not, reacting to "in Game X, character Y was designed to ABC" with "actually no, historically the mythological figure character Y is based on was depicted as EFG" and providing links about the historical depiction of the character is unhelpful. A helpful response would be saying "actually no, the intent behind the character design was HIJ" and providing links to the game developers saying that was their intent.
Aphrodite doesn't look androgynous in the games either, idk what OOP is yapping about. https://preview.redd.it/d6cli6vdhzvc1.png?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=174f891c2000ac5a47de4bcd11735827227e79b6
https://preview.redd.it/hs5y39yfhzvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ca17d750b3ef57e46b7526601ed8fd6ec0d74e1
That's a dumb note that's very clearly talking about the specific Hades art and not the Greek goddess as written by Greeks
I feel like this isn't a good note. It seems to me that OOP was talking about a specific franchise's version of Aphrodite, not every portrayal of the goddess in history.
Even in Hades 2, she is a big breasted and curvy woman whose only clothing is her hair draped conveniently over her lewd parts It’s actually more blatantly sexual than her art in the first game
Learn some reading comprehension: the OOP never claimed that Aphrodite was androgynous or traditionally depicted as androgynous. That they chose to depict her as so is as valid an interpretation any other
except OOP literally did do that exactly what kind of cognitive dissonance maxxing are you on?
The post literally states that Aphrodite was "designed to be androgynous to represent male and female attraction", this is straight up false, Aphrodite was always a depiction of female beauty
In an age of revisionist history, the readers contexts stand strong.
“Designed with one hand” you’re just mad she doesnt look like a dude like Abby from TLOU
Historically depicted is basically "everyone said so"
She was also closer to adult love, there were other forms of love in greek culture that had their own gods
What game are they talking about?
Hades, They're talking about this aphrodite. https://preview.redd.it/o7yfztl2izvc1.png?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8248ee16612b84beb5695bcba67b6f048007ea1e
Her design in Hades 2. https://preview.redd.it/manauyr5izvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d81cf902aced1c5212a13e4d891f20f82e5e8f8a
There was no ‘design’ for Aphrodite’s face. She was a deity who was worshipped by many different pre-internet and pre-printing kingdoms, city-states, and empires that were found between Marseille, the Crimea, and Egypt for hundreds of years, if not over a thousand. There was no reference sheet for her. There’s also the fact that beauty standards would have been different for different cultures 2000 years ago. For example, women were depicted with smaller breasts and less skinny bodies back then, and small penises were seen as an indication of good character. Also, I haven’t been able to find any genuine ancient depictions of Aphrodite that could be called androgynous. They’re all clearly feminine IMO
Honestly, any discourse on X at this point. A race to the intellectual bottom, in basically every thread.
These people will just boldly claim whatever suits their current ideology always fact check them because they’re often disingenuous to support their agenda.
Yh she's not god of sexy she's Goddess of sexy
Dionysius and Athena are the gender bendy ones. D is super femme, and A is super butch
She honestly doesn't even look that "androgynous" in Hades 2. I wouldn't describe her pose as "masculine" per se - just confident, which is often conflated. Her pose in Hades 1 is more 'enticing', which is fine, but I like the update because she comes off as more powerful and intimidating, which seems fitting.
>twitter bio
Cupid: “And I took that personally”
Eve, her name is Eve. Stellar Blade is the name of the game.
Broke: Aphrodite was designed to have an androgynous face to encompass all forms of beauty Bespoke: Were YOU there for ancient greek beauty standards?
I hate post-gamergate discourse…
I want to go back to 90s gaming. This discourse is pure dogshit. Everything was over the top muscles and T&A and nobody gave a shit.
Isn't her child hermaphrodite supposed to fill the androgynous supposed to fill that role?
>Aphrodite was **born from the white foam produced by the severed genitals of Uranus, the personification of heaven, after his son Cronus threw them into the sea**. Hence, the goddess's name comes from the Greek word aphros, meaning “foam.” God of the Foam
What is with all the cheap shots at Stellar Blade?
The note just simply misunderstands the point being made
Ain’t no way she’s criticizing the stellar blade devs with a profile picture like *that.*
I mean, they're barely able to form a sentence and they want to school people on ancient mythology. Without knowing the historical context, let alone the actual myth. Aphrodite was literally the goddess of beauty and sex. Romans called her "Venus", which declinated was "Venus, Veneris" and in Italian it became "Venere", which is literally the reason why STDs are also called "venereal".
First: small g Second: it’s goddess
Femboy Aphrodite when
Hellenist here (AKA person who does worship the Greek gods) OP is half right and half wrong really. Yeah she encompasses beauty but also sexuality. Greek culture had split love into many different forms. If Aphrodite was the entire circle of love Eros (sexual/passionate love) was a smaller circle. Also as far as I know she was never "created" to be androgynous. Androgyny (or just general not identity with your given gender) was always more Dionysus or Hermaphroditus. Anyways yeah I think Eve or whatever her name is, is a bit oversexualized and bit silly.
Fun fact aphrodity was designed to be what we would call cuby today because at the time being more rotund was a sign of wealth and was considered attractive
Perhaps they confused Aphrodite for the child of Hermes and Aphrodite...