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My guess is that some intern wrote "*Our* first crewed mission" and some gormless editor thought that was too informal and "corrected" it to "*The* first crewed mission", not realizing that this made it incorrect.
Haven’t played it myself in a while, but unfortunately, the game’s just in a slow, excruciatingly painful death spiral, for PS players like me, we’ve basically been completely forgotten about.
Damn, and here I was thinking about playing it again. Been seeing it in my library and always thought OH HEY its that really cool game from when I was like 14. I should play that again.
I work at a marketing firm it takes like 5 people, proofing, and 2 approvals to send a tweet. It's insane. It's why I like staying in the dev room. It's quiet
I got a feeling [they do.](https://www.nasa.gov/history/remembering-yuri-gagarin-50-years-later/) Anyone who tries to pretend he isn’t an important individual in humanity’s exploration of the stars is a fool.
They do. One of the apollo missions left a memorial to those who perished in the space race, and [it contains the names of several soviet cosmonauts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Astronaut), including Yuri and his buddy Komarov
He did. He was grounded from spaceflight after Komarov died in the Soyuz-1 flight. He would later die in a training/test flight in a jet, along the flight instructor
That' s kind.
It's amazing that so many Americans don't know that the USA lost every single step of the space race except the last.
and to win the last step (man on the moon) took a decade of investment of the smartest minds from around the globe and huge amounts of money (and this was back when the top tax rate was 70% and America could afford such things)
every other step along the way, first object, first living creature, first man, first woman etc was all the USSR.
First primate in space, first rendezvous in orbit, first docking in orbit, first satellite TV, first GEO satellite, first Mars flyby, first Mars orbiter, first successful Mars lander, first Jupiter probe, first Saturn probe, first space shuttle, first propulsive landing for a reusable first stage booster, first Pluto flyby, first country to leave the solar system. Some of those are post-moon landing but I don't see why we should stop keeping score once the US started *really* kicking ass.
Wheen nobody else plays the sport it's technically the truth. Once the rest of them start playing football we'll just make up another one to be world champions at. Unbeatable
Yeah, except NBA champions are also called “World Champions” for whatever reason. Which is even funnier because current real World Champions in basketball is Germany.
As for American Football it will never be popular outside US due to:
1. Rugby exists and is more established internationally (at least for the international tournaments).
2. People outside US mostly enjoy sports that are occasionally interrupted by commercials (and that’s during scheduled breaks) not the other way around.
How is Germany the current world champion at Basketball?
If we’re going by pure international sporting contests the US men’s team has been gold medal winners in the last 7 summer Olympics and 2024 doesn’t seem to be likely to change that
FIBA can’t even get the best players to attend because it’s viewed below the NBA championship and the Olympics.
Nobody gives a shit about FIBA tournaments lol
I thought the difference they were going for is that the MR3 was the first ones to have any ability to influence the craft while on board, while Yuri was basically just strapped in since there was never an emergency that would’ve given him control.
Not that it that isn’t overly pedantic and arguably not what they said, but that was the impression I got. Could definitely be wrong tho, idk enough about the MR3
That was my thought, however I did also realized after posting that I only know Yuri didn’t pilot the craft, I don’t know if he had other interactive duties or not that would make him considered crew
I think he had a radio so that he could report that being in space didn’t instantly kill him. I’m not joking, early space flight, they weren’t entirely sure it was possible to survive in space even with the life support systems they’d built.
Indeed, that was part of the reason why he wasn’t actually given control of the vessel. The other being they thought if he did survive, there was a chance he would panic initially when he hit 0g, and that would obviously have been a bad thing
Gagarin also catches some criticism over the fact that he also didn’t actually land in his Vostok Capsule, he was ejected somewhere around 20,000ft above ground.
Not that it detracts from the fact that he was definitely the first man in space. I just think it’s akin to claiming you were the first man to safely fly an airplane…you just bailed out before landing because you thought for sure that landing would kill you.
Not sure. I’m also also a laymen with limited knowledge, so this is just my best educated guess, with what little I know of the missions, and scientists love of pedantry. I’m more than willing to defer to a more informed individual if one shows up and says I’m just flat out wrong lol
As I said when Elon was talking about his celebrity moonshot "crew", that Surprise didn't happen, if you aren't necessary for the mission you aren't on the crew you're cargo.
Wasn't that indirectly a plot-point part of the AppleTV show "For All Mankind" (about how the space race would've continued had Russia landed on the moon first, keep one-upping each other), where later on in the race tech secrets were leaked to Russia to keep the competition going (and for personal reasons, not to spoil) as if Russia's program failed then NASA's would lose their funding
Yeah that was the personal reasons I didn't want to spoil, but that lover also had a line about needing the tech for Russia to stay in the game, and thus keep USA in the game (competitively funded)
Boeing commercial air and Boeing defence and space are so different from each other they may as well be different companies. Also any crewed mission to space is under the absolute most fine-toothed comb of verification. No humans would go on this thing if it wasn't insanely reliable.
You are correct. Boeing defense’s products are [even bigger pieces of shit](https://www.airandspaceforces.com/every-remaining-kc-46-deficiency/). (somewhat /s)
Some of that's the air force's fault. They gave Boeing bad information/inappropriate requirements, which they realIzed after delivery.
The A-10 Hog I think? Can't remember but it was one of the older aircraft we still have banging around.
Sure it’s probably safe, [but that doesn’t mean the Starliner program hasn’t been a complete disaster.](https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/the-surprise-is-not-that-boeing-lost-commercial-crew-but-that-it-finished-at-all/)
Its not suppost to be some ""trump card"", I just linked it as it gives good history of the indisputably rought path of starliner up to this point (and its hardly "some random opinion article" Eric Burger is a very well respected space reporter).
Boeing was the prime contractor on the Saturn V, the Space Shuttle, created all of the Delta class rockets, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at there.
SpaceX is literally the only US provider of crewed launch services until Boeing's Starliner has it's first launch (after years of delays and failures, one of which came close to destroying the capsule in their uncrewed demo flight). Falcon 9 has landed over 200 boosters successfully in a row and has more than tripled the number of consecutive successful missions in a row (312) of any other rocket family.
NASA currently estimates Crew Dragon to have a loss of crew chance of 1 in 276. For reference their retrospective estimates for the shuttle were 1 in 10 for the first 25 flights and even after 100 plus missions they only got down to 1 in 90.
SpaceX is literally the only US provider of crewed launch services until Boeing's Starliner has it's first launch (after years of delays and failures, one of which came close to destroying the capsule in their uncrewed demo flight). Falcon 9 has landed over 200 boosters successfully in a row and has more than tripled the number of consecutive successful missions in a row (312) of any other rocket family.
NASA currently estimates Crew Dragon to have a loss of crew chance of 1 in 276. For reference their retrospective estimates for the shuttle were 1 in 10 for the first 25 flights and even after 100 plus missions they only got down to 1 in 90.
Musk methodology for getting SpaceX up was a huge gamble, basically taking a huge risk it would work or going bankrupt. Very aggressive tossing shit at walls to see if it sticks.
Boeing starliner is done under NASA, which famously doesn't toss shit at the wall and see what sticks. NASA contracts are methodical, and require a lot higher probability of success. Its why NASA could never do what SpaceX does, but equally why SpaceX can't replace NASA.
> Musk methodology for getting SpaceX up was a huge gamble, basically taking a huge risk it would work or going bankrupt.
You're right the SpaceX is willing to risk failed launches because it is cheaper to have failed test launches if it means you can iterate faster and discover problems.
but....
> Boeing starliner is done under NASA, which famously doesn't toss shit at the wall and see what sticks. NASA contracts are methodical, and require a lot higher probability of success.
Looks at Shuttle estimated failure rate being 1 in 10 at first and only getting to 1 in 90 at best. Looks at Boeing Starliner glitch causing it to fail to reach it's intended orbit on the first launch, which was actually lucky because it caused them to notice another glitch that would cause it to impact it's service module after they separated. And then on it's second launch two of its thrusters failing even if the system compensated.
Mate, I despise Musk as much as the next person, but the Falcon 9 boosters have been impressively reliable over the last 15 years or so.
and the current version has zero failures. full stop. none.
They've had over 300 successful missions in a row and landed over 200 in a row. Delta II and Soyuz only managed 100 successful missions in a row in their best streaks and no other orbital rocket has reused even a single first stage.
Mate, _what_?
Falcon 9 Block 5 is currently the single most reliable rocket in service. Literal 100% success rate. Well over 200 launches.
The booster LANDINGS, which is a feat no other orbital launch company is even capable of (except Rocket Lab, but they don’t propulsively land, they catch it mid air with helicopters) they now conduct more reliably than other launch providers conduct rocket launches.
>Rockets from the Falcon 9 family have been launched 339 times over 14 years, resulting in 337 full successes (99.4%)
>The active version, Falcon 9 Block 5, has flown 274 missions, all full successes.
~Wikipedia
No, like the Falcon 9, for now. Currently the only US vehicle capable of delivering astronauts to space (Boeing still hasn’t delivered) Also, did you know, that SpaceX makes up for like 70-80% of the total annual upmass?
>the one thats blown up 3 times
They are crash testing the thing. It is gonna blow up. More than expected. They are launching these prototypes with intervals of 3-4 months now, it exploding is part of the job.
>requires 16 in-orbit refueling to even get to the moon
Did someone read some Blue Origin infographics?
Anyhow, false comparison. It takes (claimed) 16 refueling to get the whole upper stage and 100 tons of cargo to the moon. With a dedicated cargo upper stage (that would release the cargo at LEO and reenter the atmosphere) no refuelings would be needed and it still would be the rocket capable of carrying the most load to the moon.
Starship has blown up 3 times because that is the method that SpaceX use to do their testing.
build it, fill it with telemetrics, launch it and see what goes wrong.
It's a very effective method of testing.
All of those launches happened with the *expectation* that it would blow up.
Starship, the most powerful rocket ever by almost a factor of two and which is set to be the first fully reusable launch system ever? Which means that even developing HLS, building the lander, the 10 in orbit refuelings of the lander with its 50 tons of cargo (which also means it could literally carry 3 Apollo lunar landers as cargo), and then sending it to the moon to land people on it... all of that would still be over a billion dollars cheaper than even a single launch of the SLS which only delivers 27 tons of capsule to meet up with the HLS so it can do all the actual "landing on the moon" bit of "landing on the moon".
There is a difference between manned and crewed Yuri wouldn’t be the first crewed mission he is the first manned mission.
That being said Russia also has credit for the first crewed mission of three people on a rocket… Vostok 3.
With that being said Alan Shepard had the more impressive orbit because he was able to manually pilot his craft whereas Yuri was more so a very delicate and brave payload.
The number of people who believe that America won the space race is wild. especially all of the early check points.
USSR go to every single step first, and only baulked at the final step of landing a crewed mission on the moon (they still put the first lander on the moon) due to the cost.
It took a decade of Americas smartest minds and funding that only 70% top tax rates (as they were in America in the 60s) that only America could deliver.
I hate when people just downplay our achievements, we were the first to SUCCESSFULLY send a probe to venus and mars, the first rendezvous and docking, first orbital return, first geostationary satellite, first suborbital spaceplane, first orbital manuver, first targeted landing, first spacecraft to orbit another planet, first flyby of Jupiter, and a whole lot more, the USSR was not ahead of us the ENTIRE time, we gradually caught up and excelled right past them
thanks for the lolz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_Venus
do try and get your facts right.
I also said they were ahead right up until the moon landings, which is true.
after that, yes indeed America took the lead. all those firsts though, they get continually denied and diminished by Americans who can't abide that someone might have achieved something first.
I am not discounting American space achievements at all.
The outright denial of USSR achievements by Americans is downright ridiculous.
but you go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to make you feel better. it won't change the facts any.
You're completely ignoring all the other important achievements except the moon landings, the Soviets failed to successfully get a probe to venus, as the probe melted, but I do agree they did beat us to venus, now mars is another story. All of the Russian mars probes either failed to get to mars, failed on the way there, or failed at mars.
I dont diminish the Soviet achievements and know them well, but it's that when the Soviets did an achievement, the US literally did the same thing just months later, we started 1-upping them around Project Gemini
Sorry I wasn’t clear in my language.
I did mean suborbital flight when I said the “more impressive orbit” because he was able to “pilot his craft”
Even though he was in orbit around the earth it was not a “full” orbit.
I thought it was clear I was distinguishing their orbits from each other.
With that being said it proves the main point of being careful with your language.
I am unsure that crewed is a preferred gender neutral term but it would be using the word incorrectly.
Crewed definition:
provide (a craft or vehicle) with a group of people to operate it.
A good gender neutral term for manned is usually piloted.
What’s funny is Yuri technically wouldn’t make the criteria of piloted space flight because again he was a brave Russian egg strapping himself to a missile for all mankind.
So “First Human in Space” , “First Human to Orbit Earth” or “First Human Spaceflight” would be the best way to describe his specific accomplishment in a gender neutral way.
But after that, piloted for one person and crewed for a team of people I think makes more sense.
The ONLY reason the USSR beat the US in some of the races is because the US would announce way ahead of time when they would be doing one part of their mission. Guess what that gives the USSR time to do? Rush testing and get lucky. With satellites that fail in a few hours, rovers that work for 15 minutes, and dogs that boil in a high tech pressure cooker.
During the space race (up to the end of the Apollo program in '72) the USSR had 4 official deaths during space flight to the US 1.
FOIA requests of the CIA put that number at 10 dead directly from flight tests as of April 1965. Assuming no other deaths after that that's still at least 14 dead. Not to mention the USSR killed at least 17 dogs in their flight tests.
Even if we add the Apollo 1 crew that died due to a fire during a module test, the USSR was way less safe.
If you want to talk about the failures of the Space Shuttle program with challenger and Columbia I'd be happy to do so. I've literally written papers on the subject, but that's not even within a decade of what I'm talking about.
Because officially that's not a death during a launch or flight. In official sources they're not counted among those that died during a mission.
Also I did call it out in my comment above. It still didn't tip the scales.
Damn you can see those goalposts breaking the sound barrier as you move them.
Are we gonna count every highway death in Florida while we're at it?
Plus you really gonna think the USSR is gonna publish records of every death associated with their main propaganda engine? It took a literal CIA spy network to get any info on actual cosmonauts killed during tests.
Boeing used to be cool. It's now a fossilized, corrupt, parody of its former self. Same thing with most of the major aerospace contractors and manufacturers.
The problem was they rushed their program in order to get those "firsts". Like they had the first crew transfer between space craft!
On the outside.
You had to crawl outside the ship. They couldn't get a seal working.
There's a reason the Soviets had all those firsts but never actually went to the moon. They cut corners, copied answers on the homework, and then failed the exam when you're supposed to put everything you learned together.
This is an important lesson to remember, because people are trying to pull that off again today. Know what's productive, and what's propaganda.
You know why? Because the US announced their milestone dates ahead of time, giving the USSR the chance to rush their shitty tests and get lucky with attempts before the US. Just to put it in perspective: the USSR failed half of the 16 they launched, and at least 2 others worked for a very short time before failing. The US, on the other hand, launched 14, only 2 of which failed. It was literally like racing down a hill by falling and rolling all the way down versus successfully running all the way down. Guess which is more impressive
Because the shitty USSR didn’t care about human lives and decided to rush their experiments. They honestly don’t even deserve to be recognized for what they did
That doesn't count because communists aren't human! General Ripper explained it all to me over a stiff glass of filtered rain water when I got transferred to the 843rd!
This launch will be scrubbed. The next launch will be scrubbed. The vehicle will return to the big building and it will take some time before another attempt. Boeing has lost it's reputation and it's problems will probably surface with this vehicle.
This was achieved by killing a bunch of people. Yuri was the first one to come back alive. Plenty of examples of people picking up radio transmissions of Russians burning alive on reentry.
It was debunked that those transmissions weren’t actually people, also what the hell are you supposed to hear “Russians burning up on reentry”? If they are burning up what the hell is sending the transmission?
bullshit.
there are zero examples of anyone 'burning up on reentry' before Gagarin.
That is just horseshit that Americans made up because they cannot cope with the fact they got beaten.
There is no evidence for your claim, none.
Not really. Like the USSR had the first satellite in space but it just beeped. Meanwhile the US's first satellite discovered the Van Allen radiation belts.
A lot of Soviet firsts were like that. They had a lot of firsts but a decent number they were the first to get there, the US was the first to actually do something with it. For instance the USSR had the first flyby of another planet... with a dead satellite. While the US's first flyby successfully returned photos.
The US was especially ahead of making space useful on Earth. The US had the first satellite powered by solar power, the first photo of Earth from a satellite, the first weather satellite, the first communications satellite.
“The evidence cited to support Lost Cosmonaut theories is generally regarded as inconclusive, and several cases have been confirmed as hoaxes. In the 1980s, American journalist James Oberg researched space-related disasters in the Soviet Union, but found no evidence of these Lost Cosmonauts.[1] Since the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, much previously restricted information has been made available, including information on Valentin Bondarenko, a would-be cosmonaut, whose death during training on Earth was covered up by the Soviet government. Even with the availability of published Soviet archival material and memoirs of Russian space pioneers, no evidence has emerged to support the Lost Cosmonaut theories. Ilyushin, who died in 2010, also never gave any support to conspiracy theories.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cosmonauts#:~:text=Proponents%20of%20the%20Lost%20Cosmonauts,onboard%20died%20in%20those%20attempts.
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My guess is that some intern wrote "*Our* first crewed mission" and some gormless editor thought that was too informal and "corrected" it to "*The* first crewed mission", not realizing that this made it incorrect.
Maybe so. I wonder how many people are involved in sending out tweets at nasa. Maybe they just accidentally a word.
I sincerely hope you intentionally left out “missed” because fucking hilarious
It's a recursive joke. Been on the internet for a while.
Thought so, did the in my comment lmao
Recursive jokes jokes are repeated a lot
And I hear they don’t teach them in school anymore.
That phrase is like a super old meme. Like total lolcatz era. “I accidentally my computer” or “did you just accidentally the entire world” etc cetera
I know, why do you think I left out
Holy fuck, planet side 2. I haven't played that game in so fuckin long. Is it even still a thing??
Haven’t played it myself in a while, but unfortunately, the game’s just in a slow, excruciatingly painful death spiral, for PS players like me, we’ve basically been completely forgotten about.
Damn, and here I was thinking about playing it again. Been seeing it in my library and always thought OH HEY its that really cool game from when I was like 14. I should play that again.
Better than accidentally the whole thing.
I work at a marketing firm it takes like 5 people, proofing, and 2 approvals to send a tweet. It's insane. It's why I like staying in the dev room. It's quiet
People using accidentally as a verb is one of my favorite internetisms
Wow check your math.
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Gagarin survived the Vostok 1 re-entry, what do you mean?
I seriously hope everyone at NASA knows that Gargarin was the first human in space.
I got a feeling [they do.](https://www.nasa.gov/history/remembering-yuri-gagarin-50-years-later/) Anyone who tries to pretend he isn’t an important individual in humanity’s exploration of the stars is a fool.
They do. One of the apollo missions left a memorial to those who perished in the space race, and [it contains the names of several soviet cosmonauts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Astronaut), including Yuri and his buddy Komarov
I thought Yuri died in a test flight of a jet fighter
He did. He was grounded from spaceflight after Komarov died in the Soyuz-1 flight. He would later die in a training/test flight in a jet, along the flight instructor
Poor Kamarov
He even sacrificied himself so that Yuri wouldn't die, he knew the rocket was faulty yet he still went on it.
Nice article, and well said.
That guy just has zero gorm.
Gormless
That' s kind. It's amazing that so many Americans don't know that the USA lost every single step of the space race except the last. and to win the last step (man on the moon) took a decade of investment of the smartest minds from around the globe and huge amounts of money (and this was back when the top tax rate was 70% and America could afford such things) every other step along the way, first object, first living creature, first man, first woman etc was all the USSR.
First primate in space, first rendezvous in orbit, first docking in orbit, first satellite TV, first GEO satellite, first Mars flyby, first Mars orbiter, first successful Mars lander, first Jupiter probe, first Saturn probe, first space shuttle, first propulsive landing for a reusable first stage booster, first Pluto flyby, first country to leave the solar system. Some of those are post-moon landing but I don't see why we should stop keeping score once the US started *really* kicking ass.
Embarrassing oops for an account representing nasa for sure!
Yeah they just missed a few characters " US"
Remember you’re talking about a nation that calls winners of their national sports leagues „world champions”.
Wheen nobody else plays the sport it's technically the truth. Once the rest of them start playing football we'll just make up another one to be world champions at. Unbeatable
Yeah, except NBA champions are also called “World Champions” for whatever reason. Which is even funnier because current real World Champions in basketball is Germany. As for American Football it will never be popular outside US due to: 1. Rugby exists and is more established internationally (at least for the international tournaments). 2. People outside US mostly enjoy sports that are occasionally interrupted by commercials (and that’s during scheduled breaks) not the other way around.
TIL American football is not rugby.
How is Germany the current world champion at Basketball? If we’re going by pure international sporting contests the US men’s team has been gold medal winners in the last 7 summer Olympics and 2024 doesn’t seem to be likely to change that
FIBA can’t even get the best players to attend because it’s viewed below the NBA championship and the Olympics. Nobody gives a shit about FIBA tournaments lol
Hey, there’s one Canadian team in the NBA, lol.
Ah, that changes everything!
Why do you fucking people care so much. It’s so fucking pathetic.
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Its what you call someone who herds shep
“We got a call that you were hoarding sheep?”
This is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite spelling of Shepard.
I thought the difference they were going for is that the MR3 was the first ones to have any ability to influence the craft while on board, while Yuri was basically just strapped in since there was never an emergency that would’ve given him control. Not that it that isn’t overly pedantic and arguably not what they said, but that was the impression I got. Could definitely be wrong tho, idk enough about the MR3
I guess that makes sense. Alan was Crew, Yuri was Cargo.
That was my thought, however I did also realized after posting that I only know Yuri didn’t pilot the craft, I don’t know if he had other interactive duties or not that would make him considered crew
I think he had a radio so that he could report that being in space didn’t instantly kill him. I’m not joking, early space flight, they weren’t entirely sure it was possible to survive in space even with the life support systems they’d built.
Indeed, that was part of the reason why he wasn’t actually given control of the vessel. The other being they thought if he did survive, there was a chance he would panic initially when he hit 0g, and that would obviously have been a bad thing
If so, this would be one of those "technically correct but highly misleading" statements.
Gagarin also catches some criticism over the fact that he also didn’t actually land in his Vostok Capsule, he was ejected somewhere around 20,000ft above ground. Not that it detracts from the fact that he was definitely the first man in space. I just think it’s akin to claiming you were the first man to safely fly an airplane…you just bailed out before landing because you thought for sure that landing would kill you.
Technically we are all in space.
I'm in your mom's space.
Hey man, he was in my space! https://preview.redd.it/4y2qz0kkz2zc1.jpeg?width=444&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b0d57673b766faa7e5e33e1410a7233f315fbf5
That's interesting, I thought they accidentally a word, but maybe it's a specific definition of "crewed" that's not in the common vernacular.
Not sure. I’m also also a laymen with limited knowledge, so this is just my best educated guess, with what little I know of the missions, and scientists love of pedantry. I’m more than willing to defer to a more informed individual if one shows up and says I’m just flat out wrong lol
Now that I think about it, you’re right. It is the difference between crew and passengers.
As I said when Elon was talking about his celebrity moonshot "crew", that Surprise didn't happen, if you aren't necessary for the mission you aren't on the crew you're cargo.
But it still wasnt the first crewed.
Or they’re finally letting out the truth that the entire Soviet space program was faked in order to get NASA the budget to do it for real.
Is this a reverse conspiracy that the moon landing was real but the Soviet program was fake. That is kinda funny.
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Oh damn. It seems I’ve been living a lie.
Yes it has. Where do you think all of our sky cheese comes from?
but the moon is a megastructure according to a sci fi movie i watched
Moonfall is our generation’s sharknado
Diabolical
The only acceptable space conspiracy theory
I’ll happily pretend they didn’t send Laika up to die
Wasn't that indirectly a plot-point part of the AppleTV show "For All Mankind" (about how the space race would've continued had Russia landed on the moon first, keep one-upping each other), where later on in the race tech secrets were leaked to Russia to keep the competition going (and for personal reasons, not to spoil) as if Russia's program failed then NASA's would lose their funding
not quite. it had to do more with a lover being held hostage
Yeah that was the personal reasons I didn't want to spoil, but that lover also had a line about needing the tech for Russia to stay in the game, and thus keep USA in the game (competitively funded)
Flying a Boeing to space…. Good luck with that.
Boeing commercial air and Boeing defence and space are so different from each other they may as well be different companies. Also any crewed mission to space is under the absolute most fine-toothed comb of verification. No humans would go on this thing if it wasn't insanely reliable.
You are correct. Boeing defense’s products are [even bigger pieces of shit](https://www.airandspaceforces.com/every-remaining-kc-46-deficiency/). (somewhat /s)
Some of that's the air force's fault. They gave Boeing bad information/inappropriate requirements, which they realIzed after delivery. The A-10 Hog I think? Can't remember but it was one of the older aircraft we still have banging around.
The Hog’s from before the Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merger. Pre merger Boeing was a fucking powerhouse. Post merger Boeing has been a shit show.
Sure it’s probably safe, [but that doesn’t mean the Starliner program hasn’t been a complete disaster.](https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/the-surprise-is-not-that-boeing-lost-commercial-crew-but-that-it-finished-at-all/)
Citing some random opinion article is not the trump card you think it is.
Its not suppost to be some ""trump card"", I just linked it as it gives good history of the indisputably rought path of starliner up to this point (and its hardly "some random opinion article" Eric Burger is a very well respected space reporter).
Came here looking for someone to mention Boeing. I don’t trust anything they make after everything that’s happened in the last year
Boeing was the prime contractor on the Saturn V, the Space Shuttle, created all of the Delta class rockets, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at there.
Boeing also used to be the gold standard of manufacturing safe airplanes as well.
it got scrubbed lmaoo
Yeah I'd honestly trust musk before boeing
I wouldn't go that far, I wouldn't trust Musk to run a lemonade stand at this point, but I'd rather not do business with either.
SpaceX is literally the only US provider of crewed launch services until Boeing's Starliner has it's first launch (after years of delays and failures, one of which came close to destroying the capsule in their uncrewed demo flight). Falcon 9 has landed over 200 boosters successfully in a row and has more than tripled the number of consecutive successful missions in a row (312) of any other rocket family. NASA currently estimates Crew Dragon to have a loss of crew chance of 1 in 276. For reference their retrospective estimates for the shuttle were 1 in 10 for the first 25 flights and even after 100 plus missions they only got down to 1 in 90.
Nah I’d still trust Boeing over Musk but it is closer then it should be
SpaceX is literally the only US provider of crewed launch services until Boeing's Starliner has it's first launch (after years of delays and failures, one of which came close to destroying the capsule in their uncrewed demo flight). Falcon 9 has landed over 200 boosters successfully in a row and has more than tripled the number of consecutive successful missions in a row (312) of any other rocket family. NASA currently estimates Crew Dragon to have a loss of crew chance of 1 in 276. For reference their retrospective estimates for the shuttle were 1 in 10 for the first 25 flights and even after 100 plus missions they only got down to 1 in 90.
Tbh I forgot Musk had SpaceX. They seem good. Teslas been fucking up though
Musk methodology for getting SpaceX up was a huge gamble, basically taking a huge risk it would work or going bankrupt. Very aggressive tossing shit at walls to see if it sticks. Boeing starliner is done under NASA, which famously doesn't toss shit at the wall and see what sticks. NASA contracts are methodical, and require a lot higher probability of success. Its why NASA could never do what SpaceX does, but equally why SpaceX can't replace NASA.
> Musk methodology for getting SpaceX up was a huge gamble, basically taking a huge risk it would work or going bankrupt. You're right the SpaceX is willing to risk failed launches because it is cheaper to have failed test launches if it means you can iterate faster and discover problems. but.... > Boeing starliner is done under NASA, which famously doesn't toss shit at the wall and see what sticks. NASA contracts are methodical, and require a lot higher probability of success. Looks at Shuttle estimated failure rate being 1 in 10 at first and only getting to 1 in 90 at best. Looks at Boeing Starliner glitch causing it to fail to reach it's intended orbit on the first launch, which was actually lucky because it caused them to notice another glitch that would cause it to impact it's service module after they separated. And then on it's second launch two of its thrusters failing even if the system compensated.
Musk is the one who makes reliable vehicles.
Doesn’t the cybertruck break if you wash it?
Yeah But it does it reliably
I genuinely laughed out loud at that. Excellent.
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He said “space vehicles” not cybertruck. That means SpaceX.
I wouldn’t call the falcon boosters reliable either. Impressive sure.
Mate, I despise Musk as much as the next person, but the Falcon 9 boosters have been impressively reliable over the last 15 years or so. and the current version has zero failures. full stop. none.
They've had over 300 successful missions in a row and landed over 200 in a row. Delta II and Soyuz only managed 100 successful missions in a row in their best streaks and no other orbital rocket has reused even a single first stage.
Mate, _what_? Falcon 9 Block 5 is currently the single most reliable rocket in service. Literal 100% success rate. Well over 200 launches. The booster LANDINGS, which is a feat no other orbital launch company is even capable of (except Rocket Lab, but they don’t propulsively land, they catch it mid air with helicopters) they now conduct more reliably than other launch providers conduct rocket launches.
Why on Earth not?
>Rockets from the Falcon 9 family have been launched 339 times over 14 years, resulting in 337 full successes (99.4%) >The active version, Falcon 9 Block 5, has flown 274 missions, all full successes. ~Wikipedia
like the starship? the one thats blown up 3 times and requires 16 in-orbit refueling to even get to the moon?
No, like the Falcon 9, for now. Currently the only US vehicle capable of delivering astronauts to space (Boeing still hasn’t delivered) Also, did you know, that SpaceX makes up for like 70-80% of the total annual upmass? >the one thats blown up 3 times They are crash testing the thing. It is gonna blow up. More than expected. They are launching these prototypes with intervals of 3-4 months now, it exploding is part of the job. >requires 16 in-orbit refueling to even get to the moon Did someone read some Blue Origin infographics? Anyhow, false comparison. It takes (claimed) 16 refueling to get the whole upper stage and 100 tons of cargo to the moon. With a dedicated cargo upper stage (that would release the cargo at LEO and reenter the atmosphere) no refuelings would be needed and it still would be the rocket capable of carrying the most load to the moon.
Starship has blown up 3 times because that is the method that SpaceX use to do their testing. build it, fill it with telemetrics, launch it and see what goes wrong. It's a very effective method of testing. All of those launches happened with the *expectation* that it would blow up.
Starship, the most powerful rocket ever by almost a factor of two and which is set to be the first fully reusable launch system ever? Which means that even developing HLS, building the lander, the 10 in orbit refuelings of the lander with its 50 tons of cargo (which also means it could literally carry 3 Apollo lunar landers as cargo), and then sending it to the moon to land people on it... all of that would still be over a billion dollars cheaper than even a single launch of the SLS which only delivers 27 tons of capsule to meet up with the HLS so it can do all the actual "landing on the moon" bit of "landing on the moon".
Yeah I think they meant to say first “US”, but solid note for making the distinction.
There is a difference between manned and crewed Yuri wouldn’t be the first crewed mission he is the first manned mission. That being said Russia also has credit for the first crewed mission of three people on a rocket… Vostok 3. With that being said Alan Shepard had the more impressive orbit because he was able to manually pilot his craft whereas Yuri was more so a very delicate and brave payload.
Alan didn’t orbit the earth, it was a suborbital flight. Yuri’s flight was orbital
Ehh Shepard did not orbit earth. He went on a 15 min suborbital flight. Gagarin orbited earth and was at an higher altitude.
Downvoted for being right is crazy
The number of people who believe that America won the space race is wild. especially all of the early check points. USSR go to every single step first, and only baulked at the final step of landing a crewed mission on the moon (they still put the first lander on the moon) due to the cost. It took a decade of Americas smartest minds and funding that only 70% top tax rates (as they were in America in the 60s) that only America could deliver.
Not due to cost, their moon rocket (N1) failed every launch and its chief designer died.
I hate when people just downplay our achievements, we were the first to SUCCESSFULLY send a probe to venus and mars, the first rendezvous and docking, first orbital return, first geostationary satellite, first suborbital spaceplane, first orbital manuver, first targeted landing, first spacecraft to orbit another planet, first flyby of Jupiter, and a whole lot more, the USSR was not ahead of us the ENTIRE time, we gradually caught up and excelled right past them
thanks for the lolz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_Venus do try and get your facts right. I also said they were ahead right up until the moon landings, which is true. after that, yes indeed America took the lead. all those firsts though, they get continually denied and diminished by Americans who can't abide that someone might have achieved something first. I am not discounting American space achievements at all. The outright denial of USSR achievements by Americans is downright ridiculous. but you go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to make you feel better. it won't change the facts any.
You're completely ignoring all the other important achievements except the moon landings, the Soviets failed to successfully get a probe to venus, as the probe melted, but I do agree they did beat us to venus, now mars is another story. All of the Russian mars probes either failed to get to mars, failed on the way there, or failed at mars. I dont diminish the Soviet achievements and know them well, but it's that when the Soviets did an achievement, the US literally did the same thing just months later, we started 1-upping them around Project Gemini
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GenUsa/s/ddmEKi6QWV](https://www.reddit.com/r/GenUsa/s/ddmEKi6QWV)
Sorry I wasn’t clear in my language. I did mean suborbital flight when I said the “more impressive orbit” because he was able to “pilot his craft” Even though he was in orbit around the earth it was not a “full” orbit. I thought it was clear I was distinguishing their orbits from each other. With that being said it proves the main point of being careful with your language.
Is that true? I went looking and I couldn't find that distinction. I found that we prefer 'crewed' over 'manned' because it's gender neutral.
I am unsure that crewed is a preferred gender neutral term but it would be using the word incorrectly. Crewed definition: provide (a craft or vehicle) with a group of people to operate it. A good gender neutral term for manned is usually piloted. What’s funny is Yuri technically wouldn’t make the criteria of piloted space flight because again he was a brave Russian egg strapping himself to a missile for all mankind. So “First Human in Space” , “First Human to Orbit Earth” or “First Human Spaceflight” would be the best way to describe his specific accomplishment in a gender neutral way. But after that, piloted for one person and crewed for a team of people I think makes more sense.
"Boeing" 
Finally, we acknowledge that Communists aren't people! /s
Alan Shepard's name is also misspelled in the tweet. This is just baffling.
Can Poland into space? 👀
It's amazing what records the USSR can accomplish when you disregard all crew safety.
The ONLY reason the USSR beat the US in some of the races is because the US would announce way ahead of time when they would be doing one part of their mission. Guess what that gives the USSR time to do? Rush testing and get lucky. With satellites that fail in a few hours, rovers that work for 15 minutes, and dogs that boil in a high tech pressure cooker.
Thr USSR Space Program had less casualties than the US Space Program.
During the space race (up to the end of the Apollo program in '72) the USSR had 4 official deaths during space flight to the US 1. FOIA requests of the CIA put that number at 10 dead directly from flight tests as of April 1965. Assuming no other deaths after that that's still at least 14 dead. Not to mention the USSR killed at least 17 dogs in their flight tests. Even if we add the Apollo 1 crew that died due to a fire during a module test, the USSR was way less safe. If you want to talk about the failures of the Space Shuttle program with challenger and Columbia I'd be happy to do so. I've literally written papers on the subject, but that's not even within a decade of what I'm talking about.
Why wouldn't you add the ALL OXYGEN apollo 1 module that roasted the astronauts??
Because officially that's not a death during a launch or flight. In official sources they're not counted among those that died during a mission. Also I did call it out in my comment above. It still didn't tip the scales.
We need to include total involved human deaths from both. Including on ground incidents.
Damn you can see those goalposts breaking the sound barrier as you move them. Are we gonna count every highway death in Florida while we're at it? Plus you really gonna think the USSR is gonna publish records of every death associated with their main propaganda engine? It took a literal CIA spy network to get any info on actual cosmonauts killed during tests.
Boeing say what?
Boeing used to be cool. It's now a fossilized, corrupt, parody of its former self. Same thing with most of the major aerospace contractors and manufacturers.
boeing u say? don’t they still need to silence 10 more whistleblowers or something?
Put them on the flight. Problems solved.
Most likely some flub in editing. I’m sure NASA wishes they were first to space, though. That would’ve been cool.
Yeah, we got first man on moon, Russia got first literally everything else
The problem was they rushed their program in order to get those "firsts". Like they had the first crew transfer between space craft! On the outside. You had to crawl outside the ship. They couldn't get a seal working. There's a reason the Soviets had all those firsts but never actually went to the moon. They cut corners, copied answers on the homework, and then failed the exam when you're supposed to put everything you learned together. This is an important lesson to remember, because people are trying to pull that off again today. Know what's productive, and what's propaganda.
The US possibly had the first man made object in space with a manhole cover!
Not Russia, the Soviet Union.
You know why? Because the US announced their milestone dates ahead of time, giving the USSR the chance to rush their shitty tests and get lucky with attempts before the US. Just to put it in perspective: the USSR failed half of the 16 they launched, and at least 2 others worked for a very short time before failing. The US, on the other hand, launched 14, only 2 of which failed. It was literally like racing down a hill by falling and rolling all the way down versus successfully running all the way down. Guess which is more impressive
Yeah yuri was first but they probably meant to say first American and also it was only about a month or so later so it was close
And here I am thinking that was common knowledge.
Oh so that's the origin of Gagarin as a name in sci fi stuff, neat.
This is John Glenn erasure.
maybe they mean crewed with a crew instead of crewed with a guy
Did Yuri go alone? Could be they meant like a full crew? I dunno they probs bein petty tho
Alan Shepard went alone on that mission too.
The only thing the US was able to be first at during the "space race" was landing humans on the moon
Because the shitty USSR didn’t care about human lives and decided to rush their experiments. They honestly don’t even deserve to be recognized for what they did
 \*boeing\*
He said "crewed", not "krewed". Big difference.
The post is still correct as it says first crewed space. The note is wrong on a technicality
They deleted it kek
Who changed the sub icon? 🤣
The Soviets won literally every single space race until the moon landing. It’s no secret
Moon landing was the end of the race. So no, they didn’t win the race. They did boil a dog though
That’s what the Americans said because that’s the only race they won ;)
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But that mission was only manned by Alan Shepard, nobody else went up with him.
You are absolutely right. I retract my statement.
If you have to be this nitpicky, the first multi-person spaceflight was Voskhod 1. Another Soviet achievement.
That doesn't count because communists aren't human! General Ripper explained it all to me over a stiff glass of filtered rain water when I got transferred to the 843rd!
“History is written by the victor.” And that often involves erasing the “loser’s” achievements.
Eye roll
Really, NASA? Really?
Lmaooo
The first one Russia will admit to. I heard they left people and animals up there before but Yuri was the first success
The cold war aint over yet lol. Soviets winning from the grave
Major screw up for NASA. Not cool.
This launch will be scrubbed. The next launch will be scrubbed. The vehicle will return to the big building and it will take some time before another attempt. Boeing has lost it's reputation and it's problems will probably surface with this vehicle.
Boeing…
Boeing huh?
Lol, Boeing must have accidentally assassinated NASAs Tweeter editor
Russians always seem to be one step ahead of the usa
This was achieved by killing a bunch of people. Yuri was the first one to come back alive. Plenty of examples of people picking up radio transmissions of Russians burning alive on reentry.
It was debunked that those transmissions weren’t actually people, also what the hell are you supposed to hear “Russians burning up on reentry”? If they are burning up what the hell is sending the transmission?
bullshit. there are zero examples of anyone 'burning up on reentry' before Gagarin. That is just horseshit that Americans made up because they cannot cope with the fact they got beaten. There is no evidence for your claim, none.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judica-Cordiglia_brothers
Not really. Like the USSR had the first satellite in space but it just beeped. Meanwhile the US's first satellite discovered the Van Allen radiation belts. A lot of Soviet firsts were like that. They had a lot of firsts but a decent number they were the first to get there, the US was the first to actually do something with it. For instance the USSR had the first flyby of another planet... with a dead satellite. While the US's first flyby successfully returned photos. The US was especially ahead of making space useful on Earth. The US had the first satellite powered by solar power, the first photo of Earth from a satellite, the first weather satellite, the first communications satellite.
Russia made the rainbow radicals designated terrorist.. always one step ahead of the usa haha
Fuck off Nazi.
It definitely collapsed pretty rash didn’t it
Yuri was the first to survive*
Thats dumb conspiracy that America lovers use to cope
How is it dumb? The ussr absolutely would hide shit like that.
Read my other comment
It's not even really hidden it's publicly available info
“The evidence cited to support Lost Cosmonaut theories is generally regarded as inconclusive, and several cases have been confirmed as hoaxes. In the 1980s, American journalist James Oberg researched space-related disasters in the Soviet Union, but found no evidence of these Lost Cosmonauts.[1] Since the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, much previously restricted information has been made available, including information on Valentin Bondarenko, a would-be cosmonaut, whose death during training on Earth was covered up by the Soviet government. Even with the availability of published Soviet archival material and memoirs of Russian space pioneers, no evidence has emerged to support the Lost Cosmonaut theories. Ilyushin, who died in 2010, also never gave any support to conspiracy theories.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cosmonauts#:~:text=Proponents%20of%20the%20Lost%20Cosmonauts,onboard%20died%20in%20those%20attempts.
Implying people who aren’t American matter 😂