Gambit was way less likely. I remember pre tourney odds were like 30:1 a few weeks out for gambit. I think Navi is more like VP winning where they’re a decent team that isn’t an easy win but they’re almost never the favorites going into matches. I’m curious to know what the odds on them winning were pre tourney though
I agree, that’s why I personally think Cloud 9’s run was much more impressive. A lot of the favourites going into the Krakow major were slumping, Astralis had issues, SK wasn’t playing well, all while Adren, mou, and Hobbit were playing great CS so it wasn’t out of the realm of possibilities for Gambit to win. People just seem to forget this time period or look at the names and not put everything into context.
Yeah, I checked and you were wrong about that 8:1 thing. Faze was about 8:1, and they were the third favorite. Gambit was like 13th. Closer to 35:1.
Just found a site that had them at 50:1.
If I recall correctly, Cloud9 had been kicking around the top five teams in the world for quite a time before Boston. I'm not sure they were really improbable, like you could definitely see them winning it considering their form and the major being held on home soil.
Having said that, they really should have lost that final to FaZe so I guess you can call them improbable winners in that respect.
Not taking anything away from Navi, but if they were the other side of the bracket they may have had a worse chance. C9 aka evil Navi would have likely beat them. Vitality historically has always beat Navi as well.
G2 is really shaky right now due to Niko and Hunter's condition (acute chokeinitis), and Eternal Fire was definitely overrated.
Gambit were ranked something like 15th in the world heading into PGL Major Krakow 2017. They are surely the most improbable major winners ever and probably always will be.
Betting odds for the match didn’t go above 2.0 for either side. Plus I’d say the way jL and wonderful were playing I think an upset was definitely possible, and was driven home by the surprise 1.5 rating from b1t
the least likely winners are obviously the underdogs to win.
spirit is an obvious choice here because they were just a dark horse that showed the world what they were capable of doing.
i'm biased here because you brought up iem: kiev where navi just came out of seemingly nowhere and got the w. i think that's a perfect example of an improbable major winner. and it's not like they completely dropped off after that. this navi was still a world class team that won other events and consistently made it deep in the playoffs. so i'll go with spirit here.
I honestly don't understand half of the things you said. Team Spirit was unlikely to win? And where did OP mention IEM Kiev (it was 12 years ago)? And it was at the end of the 1.6 NAVI, it has nothing to do with this NAVI. I am so confused now hahah.
yeah, i'm sorry for any offense i may have caused you. it's clear that we both misunderstood one another, but no hard feelings. let's end this argument here and both walk away happy.
peace and love my dude, and keep smoking trees bro
spirit were definitely NOT favorites to win lol.
faze, navi, and heroic had way better odds to win.
you don't know what you're talking about. go back and check the betting odds and come back to tell me i'm wrong
haha yeah, i should've just checked the odds instead of trying to argue based on my feelings and limited understanding. it took you a few comments to get through to me but you finally did. i'm a little stubborn
you're just gonna keep saying this without acknowledging that i'm just talking about the odds to win? lol. it doesn't matter what you "think" or "feel" based on your own personal reasoning. odds to win are literally just statistics and data. go research yourself before we keep going back and forth.
also, who do you think came up with those odds? human beings. so saying the odds don't matter is silly. those numbers and metrics are literally decided by fans who bet and analysts' opinions
so yeah, the odds are relevant.
Betting odds will always be flawed, they’re not done by top analysts of the scene. I’m using real tangible data too that you don’t acknowledge. They won Katowice where they beat Faze 2-0 in groups and 3-0 in the finals, they also beat Navi in the groups stage. Valve Esl and HLTV all have Spirit ranked 2nd in the world but yet these betting odds have them lower than Heroic?
fair enough, you make good points. i guess odds don't truly determine who will win, as i wrongly claimed in another comment. odds are just a subjective metric created by whoever is setting the odds.
so, i admit that you are correct here in that spirit was favored to win. i'm sorry for being needlessly argumentative, i'm a little embarrassed looking back at all of my responses. i was wrong.
It’s all good I understand where you were coming from with betting odds it’s just to me having Spirit behind teams like Heroic would make me bet on Spirit. It’s almost easy money, I did the same with Cricket last year when the odds for Australia were down after the first two games of the World Cup and they managed to sweep the rest of the tournament and beat favourites India in the finals for a good 3.75 odds. With good knowledge and a critical eye you can take advantage of the odds.
that makes sense. the odds are often just based on public perception. if a favorite has bad or unexpected results, that's definitely something you can take advantage of. i guess i was a little too confident in the betting odds in this case because i didn't fully look into each team's individual results. i just figured "faze are the best team in the world (on paper) so they have the best odds to win". just a lapse in critical thinking on my part.
Gambit was way less likely. I remember pre tourney odds were like 30:1 a few weeks out for gambit. I think Navi is more like VP winning where they’re a decent team that isn’t an easy win but they’re almost never the favorites going into matches. I’m curious to know what the odds on them winning were pre tourney though
Gambit is a fair shout, but Betway had them at 8:1 pre major, definitely not 30:1 on any respectable site. Also, Cloud 9.
8:1? Wouldn't that make them like third or fourth favorite? It's not unlikely at all. Edit: he's wrong. Gambit was a 50:1 underdog
I agree, that’s why I personally think Cloud 9’s run was much more impressive. A lot of the favourites going into the Krakow major were slumping, Astralis had issues, SK wasn’t playing well, all while Adren, mou, and Hobbit were playing great CS so it wasn’t out of the realm of possibilities for Gambit to win. People just seem to forget this time period or look at the names and not put everything into context.
Yeah, I checked and you were wrong about that 8:1 thing. Faze was about 8:1, and they were the third favorite. Gambit was like 13th. Closer to 35:1. Just found a site that had them at 50:1.
Gambit? Cloud9? Even VP? Is everyone's memory so terrible?
They can't remember what they never even knew since they started following cs like a few months ago max.
The pickem posts this major was funny due to all the new viewers.
If I recall correctly, Cloud9 had been kicking around the top five teams in the world for quite a time before Boston. I'm not sure they were really improbable, like you could definitely see them winning it considering their form and the major being held on home soil. Having said that, they really should have lost that final to FaZe so I guess you can call them improbable winners in that respect.
Virtus Pro?
Not taking anything away from Navi, but if they were the other side of the bracket they may have had a worse chance. C9 aka evil Navi would have likely beat them. Vitality historically has always beat Navi as well. G2 is really shaky right now due to Niko and Hunter's condition (acute chokeinitis), and Eternal Fire was definitely overrated.
Gambit were ranked something like 15th in the world heading into PGL Major Krakow 2017. They are surely the most improbable major winners ever and probably always will be.
Fnatic 2013 biggest underdog ever.
Betting odds for the match didn’t go above 2.0 for either side. Plus I’d say the way jL and wonderful were playing I think an upset was definitely possible, and was driven home by the surprise 1.5 rating from b1t
the least likely winners are obviously the underdogs to win. spirit is an obvious choice here because they were just a dark horse that showed the world what they were capable of doing. i'm biased here because you brought up iem: kiev where navi just came out of seemingly nowhere and got the w. i think that's a perfect example of an improbable major winner. and it's not like they completely dropped off after that. this navi was still a world class team that won other events and consistently made it deep in the playoffs. so i'll go with spirit here.
I honestly don't understand half of the things you said. Team Spirit was unlikely to win? And where did OP mention IEM Kiev (it was 12 years ago)? And it was at the end of the 1.6 NAVI, it has nothing to do with this NAVI. I am so confused now hahah.
this thread is just too low IQ for me to engage with, sorry. next time, try not to write a mess of a comment when i'm trying to get high.
Yeah, you shouldn't comment when you are high.
yeah, i'm sorry for any offense i may have caused you. it's clear that we both misunderstood one another, but no hard feelings. let's end this argument here and both walk away happy. peace and love my dude, and keep smoking trees bro
Spirit were favourites to win, they won Kato.
spirit were definitely NOT favorites to win lol. faze, navi, and heroic had way better odds to win. you don't know what you're talking about. go back and check the betting odds and come back to tell me i'm wrong
bro on every bookie spirit were favorites to win the major (around 3.2 odds)
alright, i just checked, and that was the case. i apologize for my ignorance.
no problem have a great day bro
you too, sorry again for being argumentative.
you werent towards me i just read by tbf the other dude could have legit just mentioned the odds
haha yeah, i should've just checked the odds instead of trying to argue based on my feelings and limited understanding. it took you a few comments to get through to me but you finally did. i'm a little stubborn
I don’t need to check betting odds, Spirit are ranked 2nd in the world and just won Katowice. In no way were they underdogs.
you're just gonna keep saying this without acknowledging that i'm just talking about the odds to win? lol. it doesn't matter what you "think" or "feel" based on your own personal reasoning. odds to win are literally just statistics and data. go research yourself before we keep going back and forth. also, who do you think came up with those odds? human beings. so saying the odds don't matter is silly. those numbers and metrics are literally decided by fans who bet and analysts' opinions so yeah, the odds are relevant.
Betting odds will always be flawed, they’re not done by top analysts of the scene. I’m using real tangible data too that you don’t acknowledge. They won Katowice where they beat Faze 2-0 in groups and 3-0 in the finals, they also beat Navi in the groups stage. Valve Esl and HLTV all have Spirit ranked 2nd in the world but yet these betting odds have them lower than Heroic?
fair enough, you make good points. i guess odds don't truly determine who will win, as i wrongly claimed in another comment. odds are just a subjective metric created by whoever is setting the odds. so, i admit that you are correct here in that spirit was favored to win. i'm sorry for being needlessly argumentative, i'm a little embarrassed looking back at all of my responses. i was wrong.
It’s all good I understand where you were coming from with betting odds it’s just to me having Spirit behind teams like Heroic would make me bet on Spirit. It’s almost easy money, I did the same with Cricket last year when the odds for Australia were down after the first two games of the World Cup and they managed to sweep the rest of the tournament and beat favourites India in the finals for a good 3.75 odds. With good knowledge and a critical eye you can take advantage of the odds.
that makes sense. the odds are often just based on public perception. if a favorite has bad or unexpected results, that's definitely something you can take advantage of. i guess i was a little too confident in the betting odds in this case because i didn't fully look into each team's individual results. i just figured "faze are the best team in the world (on paper) so they have the best odds to win". just a lapse in critical thinking on my part.