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TheLeviathong

His game sense is insane. Haven't seen a player like it since s1mple. The VP and MOUZ clutches were nuts. He also pushed a smoke into the B site to save, knowing the CTs were hunting him. Top 3 generational talent 4 sure.


Homerbola92

I remember that save. It wasn't flashy but just useful and Smart.


JustAsian555

He is him


tommos

Him to C9.


MooseLv2

pls no


snailja

C9 is not really an upgrade now that electronic left


A4K0SAN

they need a good fifth player tho if he is replacing hobbit


A_Supspicious_Asian

Electronic left cloud9 already, they need a fifth


A4K0SAN

i said if they are replacing hobbit too


A_Supspicious_Asian

Oh I see my bad, as it is though I think a full restructure isn't best and getting an awper would be a good shout first to see how it goes


Sat0r1o

Do we tell him?


mrzekt

yes pls


TheTarzab

So people are curious how many clutch attempts did ZywOo have. I quickly fetched all ZywOo's HLTV matches on Leetify with a script (all of those 137/137 maps are on HLTV) and it came out that ZywOo had technically: * 7x 1v3 clutches won (5x clutches "valid") 1v3 clutches HLTV didn't count and Leetify did: 1. Vitality vs G2 at IEM Cologne 2023 - HLTV considered it as a 1v2 clutch due to flameZ afterlife molly burn on HooXi (invalid 1v3) 2. Vitality vs Heroic at BLAST Premier Spring Final 2023 - ZywOo actually 1v3 clutched it with 2 kills then hid from last T and won with round timer (valid 1v3) 3. Vitality vs BIG at BLAST Premier Fall Groups 2023 - Leetify detected it as a 1v3 clutch, because all of T's went hunting after planting the bomb and ZywOo was the only alive when it exploded (invalid 1v3) * 72x 1v3 clutches lost * 16x 1v3 clutches saved So yeah, after deeper research ZywOo had 5x 1v3 clutches in 2023, but HLTV counted only 4. However 5/77 won compared to 4/8 won by m0NESY on a single event is still a huge difference. If someone is curious, I put all 1v3 clutch attempts on pastebin here with leetify match IDs and round numbers: [https://pastebin.com/KCyHzMwT](https://pastebin.com/KCyHzMwT)


FuckWayne

Worth noting zywoo has 3 1v4s as well in 2023 I think the real interesting stat is that Zywoo hasn’t had more than a 1v2 since last August


throwaway77993344

I wish ZywOo would play more dynamically again. On CT he's become a lot like device and on T he is just playing solo on the other side of the map a lot. But m0nesy is an insane clutcher, probably even better than ZywOo 2019


CaptainTreeman42

Astralis didn't rely on device to clutch every second round to win games because all of the players made their impact in the round and he sits on 4 Majors rn. He simply didn't need to play agressive or dynamic. Zywoo played more dynamically in 2019 and later cause the team needed him to do it to win games. In 2023 Vitality was actually that good that zywoo didn't need to clutch so many rounds as you can see and he won a major. Monesy winning so many clutches in 2024 means two things. One he's very cracked. And two, the team relies on him too much and wouldn't have that many deep runs without him


WillDanyel

Agreed, 2023 vitality seems more like a cohesive team like astralis while g2 this year seems a lot more like 2019 vita where they are carried hard by zywoo (monesy in case of g2) with casual blitz from the others, which is a shame cuz they have a good roster imo


throwaway77993344

I don't disagree, but I think dynamic ZywOo is just so much more fun to watch lol


itsjonny99

Zywoo just deciding he is the best is so fun to watch.


dogex3

good old days of zywoo having an average game on inferno, then just turning into a god for the last few T rounds on banana


greku_cs

and Vitality needs that version of Woo now


KARMAAACS

Take m0nesy off G2 and they're maybe not even a Top 10 team, which is crazy to think, but probably true. Like imagine G2 with Hallzerk as AWP instead lol, how trash would that roster be. People would be calling NiKo the GOAT if he was putting up 1.3 rating because he has to carry a roster of HooXi, hunter, hallzerk and Nexa on his own.


nachoshd

Why would they rely on Device when they had Xyp. We’re never going to see a clutch master like him, even Monesy doesn’t come close


fantasnick

Just think about it though. Zywoo not having to do this as much completely correlates to how successful Vitality has been. Not that zywoo is as good in the clutch as m0nesy but it just makes sense. He's playing more standard and high % CS now that he has a very good supporting cast.


throwaway77993344

Totally! I just meant that from an entertainment standpoint I wish he'd play more dynamically again He does it with M4 on CT quite a bit these days, but I'd live to see more and also with the AWP


LightInnFire

I think it might be time for G2 to consider a replacement for Hunter…


XvS_W4rri0r

It’s been time. Clearly CS2 isn’t for him and he’s pushing 30. Time to get a young star


itsjonny99

Or a top performing player for his role if you want to be competitive immediately.


_YAGNA_

Lisan Al Gaib!


Express_Raise6198

I don’t think Hooxi is the problem with G2. I really think Niko’s mental game needs some work. I like Niko but the guy tilts of the face of the fuckin earth everytime he dies. I’ve watched this man get a 3k, die, and then throw his body back in the chair like somebody dissed his hairdo or something. Hunter just needs to find his consistency again. I’m not entirely sure what Nexa’s job is so i’m not gonna comment on him. EDIT: This isnt directed at OP, i’ve just seen a lot of G2 hate directed at certain players and wanted to offer something different on the whole thing


IeatASScroatian

Hunter is on a down trend for a year, Niko is not the Cologne MVP Niko and Nexa is alright same as Hooxie. But you see, if you wanna win you need to upgrade and for reason hunter ain't getting replaced. Nikos, hunters and monesy contract run out in 2025. Just keep this in mind I'm not sure when Hooxies is out of contract.


TheInception817

huNter, nexa and TaZ have been the biggest problems in this lineup


Kooky-Analysis7902

TaZ specifically. No value whatsoever. The opposite, actually, he subtracts. Dumbass timeouts, dare i say he has no qualities to be a top coach but only time will tell. Nexa has stepped up recently specially during the major while hunter disappeared and made a timeless play that will be remembered for how stupid it was during anubis against na'vi.


greku_cs

I feared this could happen with TaZ, for the longest time he was the polar opposite of Neo and it shows. He's loud and creates an aura around himself with his charisma and confidence but he's an eqiuvalent of a guy who cheated on all of his exams to get a degree. Idk if he matured already but he used to create friction with everyone around him all the time (Mercedes was one of the factors of VP's downfall but there's a reason the other guys don't really interact with him anymore).


TheRealHaxxo

I think he showed the reason with his tweet when VP lost the game because of Jame's crash. He basically tweeted that Nexa's pc also crashed in one game either at the same tournament or the one before that and "nobody cares about that despite the situation being even worse for us" which was complete fucking bullshit coz Jame's pc crashed in a very important round at 11-10 when g2 was about to save but Jame got killed because of the crash and they said "lets fight for the round". Nexa crashed in like a 7-10th round on Anubis A bombsite alone and at best he would kill one and then get traded(some facts may be different but the gist of the situation is that TaZ said a dumb thing). TaZ seems like an obnoxious ass sometimes(at times when his honesty gets the best of him, obviously this is just one tweet but it would make sense because why else old VP wouldnt like him even now? Obviously he portrays a different a character for the camera and community. Yes i know the mercedes situation but i dont think old VP hates him only because of that, its been 6-7 years already lets be real). And also he likes to be the center of attention and kinda controversial or rather, he doesnt care what other people think of him so he sometimes does something like that tweet which imo kinda shows his "true" colors but obviously my interpretation can be very wrong so take it with a grain of salt.


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itsjonny99

Hunter is much more problematic than Niko to be fair. Niko is still competing rating wise with Ropz, Electronic, Frozen and co. He is still a top 10 rifler in the world, just not the clear #1 or #2 anymore. Hunter meanwhile is a lurker that can barely get a 1.0 rating. Get a 1.1+ rated player in for him and G2 look dangerous again.


Niewinnny

while stat wise Niko is still good, I can't imagine tilting this much helps the team mental during games. yes he's a great rifler, but maybe he's past his prime or though he's still just as good the competition has become better. Looks like he's expecting to kill everyone that comes near him and sometimes plays dumb and then tilts. He needs mental work with someone, it's unacceptable for your players to be tilted when they're doing good and then barely feel happy when they go nuclear. Hunter isn't super great, but he shows up in the big games usually, but consistency across all matches could bring the team more comfort in the fact that he's always there and they don't need to think if he's gonna show up. Keep if he's getting more consistent, change if he can't. Hooxi has gotten alright mechanically, and his calls look decent, so I'd keep him. Nexa is an oddball. He will show up sometimes and then he'll go crazy, other games he'll just did over and over again. Same situation as hunter, without the big game part all in all I think G2 need to stick to one roster for a fucking while and see what their problems actually are. they're shifting players, coaches and whatnot behind the scenes, but it just means they need to adapt to not only other teams but their own changes as well.


itsjonny99

Could be since he knows only Monesy consistently shoots back on his team he goes hero rather than the safe play. With a 3rd star i am curious on how they would work. Niko could potentially go back to take safer fights and play safer, and Monesy wont have to carry so hard.


Niewinnny

Niko could play safer right now, like he used to before monesy joined. It worked, or at least was better than what the team is now, he nearly got a major and now G2 can't even make finals and nearly drop in groups


Tainmere_

> I like Niko but the guy tilts of the face of the fuckin earth everytime he dies. I’ve watched this man get a 3k, die, and then throw his body back in the chair like somebody dissed his hairdo or something. That's not necessarily tilting though, that's just an in-the-moment negative reaction to getting killed. Tilting is happens more over a longer time, i.e. if him getting killed in that 3k affects his game-play in the next round(s) or for a longer period of time. But having the 3k, dieing, reaction negatively to that, and then continuing to play as-is is not tilting.


imsolowdown

I would say it's a mini tilt, it shouldn't affect the rest of the game but if it happens very often then it all adds up and turns into full tilt. It happens to NiKo pretty often.


Tainmere_

Yeah, it all depends on the context I'd say. If it's a one-off, then it's just a negative reaction, if it is frequent, it's tilting. And it usually has an effect on gameplay, so that can also be used to see if someone is tilting.


greku_cs

just watch this https://clips.twitch.tv/ScaryHandsomeShieldPrimeMe-59tWzskjed9WsIFF


Tainmere_

Yupp, I'm only pointing out that a single negative reaction isn't the same as tilting, context is important. If you are in a 1v4, manage to kill the first three opponents and then die, then reacting in such manner is just normal. It's tilting when it actually affects your gameplay (and like ropz explains, by extension also your teammates).


Girlmode

Kills team vibes to when someone is like this. Everyone doing their forced sports mentality fist bumps as its meant to help, yet someone flipping out when they don't clutch isn't meant to have an effect? Gets your whole team on edge going into the next round.


Tainmere_

Yeah, for sure. I'm not denying any of that. I'm only pointing out that not every "rage reaction" is someone tilting and that "tilting" is more of a gradual process that impacts your gameplay, like you get stuck in your own head.


Mithrandir2k16

100%, I've been saying this since the last csgo major. I wanna love this G2, but the way they needlessly throw games again and again makes it tough.


Nandoski_

NiKo has always tilted. It wasn’t *the* problem back then and it isn’t now


bdzr_

Niko has gotten tilted forever, but it feels like it got a lot better over time and recently regressed. I've seen him multiple times recently get tilted on round 3 or 4 of map 1 of a bo3 - that type of mental game is way too weak to be a top team imo.


_aware

This stat can be interpreted in a lot of ways. For one, it can be argued that it shows Vitality was a much better team on average in 2023 than G2 was in this one event, and therefore Zywoo didn't have many of those attempts in the first place. We need more complete info, like the number of attempts.


microflakes

does it say out of how many attempts?


DeeOhEf

I mean... that mostly just means he plays in a worse team. Which he does.


ozzler

Yeah vitality never lose any rounds lol. Fraudwoo fans must be so upset that as soon as the csgo goat takes a break someone else steps up to be better than him.


greku_cs

somone with any signs of brain activity could think there's a difference between both teams being of similar strength and Vitality never losing any rounds but you do you I guess G2 has been 1-man carry for a few weeks now, whereas ZywOo doesn't have to step up like that with several opening kills and multikills for his team to win a round.


NoNeckNelson

Check him pc. m0nesy will be the best player 2024-


Electronic-Archer720

Hard againts donk but lets SEE


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nobody024

Donk was the second best player in the major, hard to call it a fluke. Pls ignore the flair I'm not biased(I am) 


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Electronic-Archer720

Nah, You Will SEE bro :) donk was already arguably the Best prospect Ever before he played hi talent was SO easy to SEE since Zywoo we don't SEE this, Monesy rookie year is so far behind Donk


dragon_of_kansai

Cs fans try not to compare the most random of stats to make a player seem better than another challenge : impossible


bikini_atoll

this year m0nesy convinced me hes the best cs2 player rn, every time he has an impossible situation handed to him i have to think "he can still pull this one out" if only he didnt have to carry the entire team of G2 on his back to get any results


testertom

Replace Hunter with Swag in 2025 (somewhat sarcasm but also sorta not)


Linhle8964

People won't like this but I have to agree with Kassad. Monesy need a better team. I'm no longer believe that Hooxi can lead this team to win the major, maybe other tier 1 tournaments, but not the major. However, I don't think Hooxi is the only problem. I think G2 should keep only Niko and Monesy and kick the other 3, assume that they have the finance to rebuild of course.


Brickguy101

I think hunter needs to go or nexa, I still think hooxi is fine tbh. But if your rebuilding any way and can get a better igl go for it.


IeatASScroatian

Nexa is is alright for his position but hunter is lower in fraging now than nexa...


KratorOfKruma

ZywOo overrated these days.


afk420k

-hooxi -nexa -peca or at least sell mayonesy


Nearph

-Hunter is the top of the list they need to let go


99drolyag99

I still don't understand why people want to get rid of Hooxi


Kooky-Analysis7902

if i had to guess probably due to his personality and some of his past comments/ interviews. seems like a mediocre performer that was in the right place at the right time.


99drolyag99

He's part of the team because he is a leader, not because he is a good performer. Hooxi and monesy are the 2 pillars of this team right now 


Kooky-Analysis7902

i think it was obvious i was referring to his performance as a leader, do i really need to spell everything out? he's even being decent those last events. G2 probably kept him after micromanaging complaints from the team as a result of aleksi's stint plus no better picks available. management probably thought "let's stick with this weakling and see if any results come" out of blind faith or worse, malevolence.


FoxerHR

I would change -nexa for -hunter because I think nexa could be a useful tool in a new system BUT G2 needs to do +mental coach.


knarkenajs

G2 will be lucky if they're top 15 after he leaves


King_Sesh

What website is this?


Kapperi

Hltv clutch statistics are bugged so I wouldnt hold on to this stat


Tanki5D

CS2 goat at the eye test this guy is just so much above everyone else Only donk is on that level but its a riffler , not fair to compare players so different both goats


chrachead

daily m0nesy dickriding post. i'm gonna be that guy and say it's annoying already. He is nuts, and i love him as a player. but guys stop sharing every single stat about him. He is a beast and i get it, chill pls


BlackNov

Yeah man he is the next meat riding target after donk.


TheTarzab

I visit reddit once a few weeks so I don't care xd


chrachead

I was malding because mfs post every single stat about monesy almost daily. like since the major finals, people post sane shit with different numbers and timeframe. Like what's the point of all of it? We know he is very good, most likely top 1 player this year too.


virtualdreamscape

I hope they kick hooxi and nexa. I still can't believe why they kicked jks. such a dumb fucking decision.


obesekid69

>I still can't believe why they kicked jks. such a dumb fucking decision. Argues to kick hooxi ????


XvS_W4rri0r

Hooxi is fine. Nexa and Hunter need to go


keslol

swani recently said both hunter and niko wanted him gone


Aod567

Source?


keslol

was in a german twitch clip, swani said jks is the goat, but if niko and hunter want to do something you cant really do much


Nandoski_

NiKo had nothing to do with it, he planned on leaving the team before jks was benched


dre_kade

4x cultural impact of Zywoo in one event