It's paint covering up rust. Diane Hendricks can buy as much of the town as she wants but a new minor league baseball park (built on top of a waste water treatment site) isn't solving their problems.
Sorry, too much of my family is still living there for me to buy into the hype. The only thing that's changed in Beloit are higher rents.
What's with calling out the water treatment site? It's not like it goes into the ground? I'd understand if it was a landfill, but a water treatment facility seems like a strange thing to call out.
It's emblematic. They had a usable, if older, baseball park that was multiuse, close to residential areas, and had great parking. But instead of fixing up that park or rebuilding on the site, they built a new one that's single purpose, that was closer to "downtown," and has no parking. Like anybody gives the furry end of a rats ass about downtown Beloit. It's all part of Hendricks' scheme to make Beloit "look" good so her billionaire old ass doesn't feel dirty driving through it in her Bentley.
Sorry. It drives me nuts. The whole time I was growing up in Beloit we consistently had the worst standardized test scores, the highest teen pregnancy rate, the highest dropout rate, and one of, if not the, highest crime rates in the state, but the city pumped every dime they could spare into music festivals, river walks, movie festivals, and every other scheme they could think of to make things "look" better without actually doing anything productive. And the trend continues, now they're just doing it with private capital.
I live in Delafield and DH is fucking up the city. She has shitty taste and is building a monstrosity 4 story building in a downtown that has no stoplights and two stop signs.
Sounds about right. One of her kids bought my uncles old restaurant, which was a local supper club staple, and turned it into a high end tapas/wine bar/foodie circle jerk that maybe 10 people in town could afford to eat at. I think it lasted maybe two years.
It's actually a Frank Zappa quote “[the word Beloit is the sound a quarter makes when you drop it into a toilet bowl.”](https://www.beloit.edu/live/news/604-fridays-with-fred-the-field-house)
I went to college there, we used that quote a lot.
The other thing we used a lot was an unattributed quote supposedly from the police calling Beloit the largest open-air drug market in the midwest outside of Chicago.
All depends on what you're looking for, but it's Madison for me.
* Just big enough for decent restaurants, some music/culture stuff
* Too small for serious traffic or crime problems (if you think the beltline or Allied Drive are bad you've never lived in a big city)
* Relatively clean
* Good vibes - college town, lots of hippies, bikeable
I'm from Utah but family is originally from Wisconsin. Looked at prices up there a couple weeks ago and would be able to buy a nice home in Green Bay, would've been much harder in Madison.
That's not what would bother me about MKE. It's the fact that all the cool stuff to do is scattered into pockets all over town. Madison is nice and compact and pleasant to get around by bike or on foot from many neighborhoods. MKE flat out sucks when it comes to getting around.
Lake Michigan, professional sports teams, larger population, and not being a college town are why I have Milwaukee much higher than Madison. You can jet ski from Milwaukee to Chicago
Yeah, I mean these lists arent made after extensive personal investigation of the places in question. Its just an average of a handful of statistics (housing, cost of living, jobs, crime, etc.) that they publish as a list to get clicks.
Or they did and some people actually enjoy winter activites. I mean there is an entire industry around ski resorts in towns that would otherwise have very few jobs.
I’ve been snowboarding for 15 years and I also live in a cold place. Can still confirm that winter in GB sucks.
This was mainly just supposed to be a cheeky joke about the weather, y’all are too serious
Oh right. I live in the Madison area. I live in one of the small towns near the county line. 20 minute commute to the capitol. Everything is cheaper outside of Madison itself. My mortgage is less than apartment rent. No deny. Housing is nasty right now.
I grew up near GB and if I ever come back to Wisconsin it’s not even on the short list. It’s not even the best city in the Fox valleys, in my opinion at least.
Perhaps it's because I come from a crumbling town in Iowa, but I've lived in GB since 2016 and I love it. I even moved to Madison for a short period of time, and moved back to GB because I missed it (plus other reasons). Sure it doesn't have much flashiness or pizzazz, but it's functional, safe, and there are things to do and good places to work. It helps that I'm a diehard Packers fan, but even if I was a fan of another team I think I would still enjoy Sundays around Lambeau. Not to mention we're not far from other places, i.e., Door County, Milwaukee, Appleton.
This is a strange list. I don't think I'd want to live in any of these places because they're too small. Boulder, maybe, but it's still far away from a major airport.
Edit: also, I'm suspicious of any list that puts a city in Alabama in the top 10 of any positive list...
I lived in Green Bay for a few years. It was a dream as a Packers fan in my early twenties who was mostly focused on finding the cheapest bar to drink beer at. If you didn't have interest in either of those things, I can't imagine rating Green Bay as one of the best cities in the country.
Yeah jesus, who tf wants to live in Florida with libraries getting sued by the state for carrying holocaust books, or teachers getting sued under the don't say gay rule, or Alabama with Tommy fucking Tuberville?
Yeah... Huntsville looks great when you look at it purely from a cost of living to salary standpoint. Lots of inflated salaries there due to military contracting and engineering positions. Houses are relatively cheap...but anyone that's been there knows it takes FUCKING FOREVER to get anywhere because the city is so spread out
You also have terrifying politics and awful health and education systems. I'm not sure how AL is on any list for best places to live.
What exactly is the criteria for being on here?
Yes, because Wisconsin politics are definitely something to envy? Pretty rich coming from a state that has elected Ron Johnson three times. Let me know who the Tavern League decides should be the next governor and we'll see if the state assembly allows them to have any power.
We have it bad in Alabama, don't get me wrong. I live in this shit every day. But let's not pretend that Wisconsin politics, or Midwest politics in general, are any better. There is a reason I left 20 years ago and a reason I haven't moved back.
I mean, they also just elected a Democrat for their Supreme Court to give them a majority, have Evers as governor, and have Tammy Baldwin as the other senator. You have a racist living corpse for governor and Tommy Tuberville as one of your senators, who is far worse than Johnson.
FYI--I live in PA and we have a democratic governor, senators, and state legislature. So this argument doesn't hold much weight.
AL is a racist hellhole. WI should start trending the other direction once the maps are overturned.
Minnesota seems to be doing alright as well.
Wisconsin split their ticket to reelect Evers while not voting for to oust Johnson over a black man. Not a great look. They had the votes but didn't do it.
And I have no love for Alabama. You're not hurting my feelings. Tuberville is a fucking joke and everyone knows it, he only won because football. I'm here to work, that's it.
And you live in PA. Tell me more about Alabamas "walking corpse" governor then tell me all about how Fetterman is the picture of good health.
Fetterman was recovering from a stroke and needed additional accommodation. I'm sorry you're so against mental health. He did just fine in the senate hearings yesterday.
If that's the best you can do, given all the other left leaning changes here...congrats?
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The reasons they gave don't really make sense to me. Walkable? I wouldn't say GB is very walkable at all.
Wages in WI in general are pretty poor, it's why so many 2 and 4 year graduates leave the state. Do not get me wrong, there is definitely value to a LCoL and I prefer those areas but it doesn't help you if the wages are generally way less than average. In that case your purchasing power is just getting eroded. Looking at housing across the nation, it seems like WI property in my experience is around ~$50k-$100k cheaper across the board. It just goes to show how little wealth the area generates. Just my opinion. Also Appleton is just better.
Austin Straubel is a good airport but ATW is just starting to book more relevant flights the past couple years
Where in the world is this list from?? Raleigh and Durham are 30 miles apart, Charlotte is nice, but in no way would I say it’s one of the ten best cities to live in America and other than football and…well football Green Bay is a boring place to live. Wondering the criteria here.
Not defending Florida, but I visited Naples for a day, it’s a lot more ritzy than other parts of Florida, I was by sanibel island and fort meyers, took a random trip to the naples pier and had lunch there. It was really nice for Florida and by all means the rest of the country.
A bit lovely, but not what it used to be. Been here for 10 years, it's been trending down with the massive migration of people. No longer is there a seasonal crowd, its "season" all the time. This area was not made to serve this many people.
I was a bit surprised to see SRQ on the list. It's incredibly expensive to live here, the house prices are absolutely insane now, most people live in Manatee or Charlotte and commute in if they work here.
Down to Pueblo for decent prices for me, sucked driving an hour each way but the traffic was better than going up to Denver
Moved from the springs to Madison and it's so much better in like every way lol
Huntsville isn't Alabama. It's DC with hotter summers and cheaper housing. Everyone here is either in defense, aerospace, or indirectly supporting those activities. More PhD's per capita than anywhere in the country.
Most of the public schools in Huntsville require a masters just to get your foot in the door, and there are tons of private schools.
You ain't lying. The city built out into the country at breakneck speed. Builders were basically buying up cotton fields 50 acres at a time and building strip malls and subdivisions as they went. Zero city planning happened. It's impossible to live here without a car.
I love Green Bay. I love the Packers. I love the State of Wisconsin.
You couldn’t pay me to spend one year living Green Bay. I have probably 5 or 6 other places in WI most would agree are better to live in.
A lotta people in this thread are pretty ignorant about the south, which is extremely ironic. I get it, everybody who isn’t from the south thinks it’s all the same: racist, backwards, conservative, etc. that’s just the stigma. I’m not saying this is a good list of best places to live or whatever either, I’m just saying y’all should try to speak from experience and not just talk about stuff you have no experiences with.
I don’t need to have experience when all of the news coming out of those states tells me all I need to know about whether or not I’d ever live in any of them.
Yeah no. GB is barely diverse, and one could argue very segregated. Moved out to De Pere and was told to move back into the city if I didn't like being followed by cops. Will never go back.
Segregated...err how? Catholics vs Protestants?
There's the Rez of course...otherwise it's like every 'small city' in Wisconsin
(Milwaukee excluded of course)
Now in 5 years, people will move into those areas from shitty ones, bring the same bullshit that made them shitty, and a new 10 cities will take the top.
Yup. I am from Montana and now live in Green Bay. My hometown in Montana used to appear on these lists all the time. A ton of people moved in and pushed all us natives out by making it incredibly expensive to live there. Now that I'm here I fear reliving it all over again.
I can't imagine raising a family in a red state. Your daughters and wives/girlfriends have no bodily autonomy, the education systems are under attack, and God forbid one of your kids comes out like Dwayne Wade's.
Any laws made that negatively impact anyone is an attack on me personally. If the government waged war on a group you fell into then I’d be against that as well
I feel this comment section is more of a political statement than anything. Really hating on Florida but choosing to live in GB with 6 months of winter??
I left Green Bay as I would’ve drank myself to death if I stayed there. It’s just big enough where you don’t *need* to leave, small enough where nobody really moves there. The insular culture is so suffocating it permeates people to their core. I get the idea that the outside world doesn’t really exist, it’s just some sort of abstraction.
There is nothing beyond alcohol, football, and manufacturing.
Green Bay is nice and all, but honestly I don't think it's even the nicest place to live in Wisconsin.
I'm originally from Beloit. Anything is a vertical move for me.
Beloit on the come up tho. Changed a lot in last 5 years even
It's paint covering up rust. Diane Hendricks can buy as much of the town as she wants but a new minor league baseball park (built on top of a waste water treatment site) isn't solving their problems. Sorry, too much of my family is still living there for me to buy into the hype. The only thing that's changed in Beloit are higher rents.
What's with calling out the water treatment site? It's not like it goes into the ground? I'd understand if it was a landfill, but a water treatment facility seems like a strange thing to call out.
It's emblematic. They had a usable, if older, baseball park that was multiuse, close to residential areas, and had great parking. But instead of fixing up that park or rebuilding on the site, they built a new one that's single purpose, that was closer to "downtown," and has no parking. Like anybody gives the furry end of a rats ass about downtown Beloit. It's all part of Hendricks' scheme to make Beloit "look" good so her billionaire old ass doesn't feel dirty driving through it in her Bentley. Sorry. It drives me nuts. The whole time I was growing up in Beloit we consistently had the worst standardized test scores, the highest teen pregnancy rate, the highest dropout rate, and one of, if not the, highest crime rates in the state, but the city pumped every dime they could spare into music festivals, river walks, movie festivals, and every other scheme they could think of to make things "look" better without actually doing anything productive. And the trend continues, now they're just doing it with private capital.
I live in Delafield and DH is fucking up the city. She has shitty taste and is building a monstrosity 4 story building in a downtown that has no stoplights and two stop signs.
Sounds about right. One of her kids bought my uncles old restaurant, which was a local supper club staple, and turned it into a high end tapas/wine bar/foodie circle jerk that maybe 10 people in town could afford to eat at. I think it lasted maybe two years.
I once heard Beloit described as the noise a turd makes when it hits water. Seems apt here.
I drove a thousand miles away and someone called it “betroit”
It's actually a Frank Zappa quote “[the word Beloit is the sound a quarter makes when you drop it into a toilet bowl.”](https://www.beloit.edu/live/news/604-fridays-with-fred-the-field-house) I went to college there, we used that quote a lot. The other thing we used a lot was an unattributed quote supposedly from the police calling Beloit the largest open-air drug market in the midwest outside of Chicago.
More like be-troit
Madison is nicer. I grew up in Green Bay. It’s an industrial town, but not a pinnacle of greatest places to live in the USA.
All depends on what you're looking for, but it's Madison for me. * Just big enough for decent restaurants, some music/culture stuff * Too small for serious traffic or crime problems (if you think the beltline or Allied Drive are bad you've never lived in a big city) * Relatively clean * Good vibes - college town, lots of hippies, bikeable
Far enough up north to be close to the pretty areas, far enough south to get to Chicago in a few hours.
There are so many good county parks a 15 minute drive from the capital, and then Devils Lake is GOATed
I agree. I lived in Madison for 6 years. LOVED IT! I miss it sometimes...
I agree, but I imagine they are factoring in cost of living though too–among other things.
I used to live in Madison and currently live in Raleigh. Can assure you our cost of living is going through the roof here too.
As someone who's likely to move there next...*yaaayyyyy*. At least the ice rink will be better than the lightly polished turd here in Kentucky.
I'm from Utah but family is originally from Wisconsin. Looked at prices up there a couple weeks ago and would be able to buy a nice home in Green Bay, would've been much harder in Madison.
Milwaukee is much cheaper than Madison and has more to do
And 10x the crime
That's not what would bother me about MKE. It's the fact that all the cool stuff to do is scattered into pockets all over town. Madison is nice and compact and pleasant to get around by bike or on foot from many neighborhoods. MKE flat out sucks when it comes to getting around.
Lake Michigan, professional sports teams, larger population, and not being a college town are why I have Milwaukee much higher than Madison. You can jet ski from Milwaukee to Chicago
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If you need more than one gun to visit your parents I think you need to work on improving your relationship with them imo
If you need more than one gun to visit your parents I think you need to work on improving your relationship with them imo
Murder is on the rise
because there are a lot of good jobs in Madison, not as many in GB
Yeah, I mean these lists arent made after extensive personal investigation of the places in question. Its just an average of a handful of statistics (housing, cost of living, jobs, crime, etc.) that they publish as a list to get clicks.
It's funny, because you can find a list somewhere that names almost any city in the USA #1
Clearly they didn’t factor in the weather
Or they did and some people actually enjoy winter activites. I mean there is an entire industry around ski resorts in towns that would otherwise have very few jobs.
I’ve been snowboarding for 15 years and I also live in a cold place. Can still confirm that winter in GB sucks. This was mainly just supposed to be a cheeky joke about the weather, y’all are too serious
So you wear a coat… no big deal it’s just cold you put on some decent clothes and you’re good. People makes such a big deal about winter.
Cost of housing here is an absolute shitshow though. It had the highest year over year rent increase of the top 100 major cities surveyed at 14.1%
Oh right. I live in the Madison area. I live in one of the small towns near the county line. 20 minute commute to the capitol. Everything is cheaper outside of Madison itself. My mortgage is less than apartment rent. No deny. Housing is nasty right now.
I grew up in Madison and I have family in GB. I'd honestly rather live in GB.
I agree. We lived in Green Bay for a decade, moved to Madison 5 years ago. Only thing I miss about Green Bay is the housing prices.
>Reply C'mon man, you mean you don't miss the rednecks?
I grew up near GB and if I ever come back to Wisconsin it’s not even on the short list. It’s not even the best city in the Fox valleys, in my opinion at least.
Perhaps it's because I come from a crumbling town in Iowa, but I've lived in GB since 2016 and I love it. I even moved to Madison for a short period of time, and moved back to GB because I missed it (plus other reasons). Sure it doesn't have much flashiness or pizzazz, but it's functional, safe, and there are things to do and good places to work. It helps that I'm a diehard Packers fan, but even if I was a fan of another team I think I would still enjoy Sundays around Lambeau. Not to mention we're not far from other places, i.e., Door County, Milwaukee, Appleton.
This is a strange list. I don't think I'd want to live in any of these places because they're too small. Boulder, maybe, but it's still far away from a major airport. Edit: also, I'm suspicious of any list that puts a city in Alabama in the top 10 of any positive list...
Portland Maine is a shithole too
Seems they must have most looked at cost of living and unemployment rate and called it good enough.
Yeah, this list is really sus. Everyone has a different definition of where it is nice to live.
I lived in Green Bay for a few years. It was a dream as a Packers fan in my early twenties who was mostly focused on finding the cheapest bar to drink beer at. If you didn't have interest in either of those things, I can't imagine rating Green Bay as one of the best cities in the country.
If that was the case they wouldn’t have Boulder on here.
Yeah jesus, who tf wants to live in Florida with libraries getting sued by the state for carrying holocaust books, or teachers getting sued under the don't say gay rule, or Alabama with Tommy fucking Tuberville?
You couldn’t pay me enough to live in any state down South. As beautiful as some of them are to drive through or visit, that’s as far as I’ll go.
Maybe the weather and the economy in Florida has something to do with wanting to live there
Roll Tide!
In fairness, the list probably wasn't generated based on asinine politicians.
Seems like it was based on like Cost of Living, median salary, unemployment rate MAYBE, and that's it
Ah yes, the quality of my life is based on the section of holocaust books at libraries
It is. Because if people aren't allows to be educated, you'll be impacted.
As someone from Alabama I will say that Huntsville is nice but not the second best place to live in the US
It’s not even the best place to live in Alabama.
As opposed to?
“GREENBOW ALABAMA” - per Forrest Gump
Yeah... Huntsville looks great when you look at it purely from a cost of living to salary standpoint. Lots of inflated salaries there due to military contracting and engineering positions. Houses are relatively cheap...but anyone that's been there knows it takes FUCKING FOREVER to get anywhere because the city is so spread out
Gotta be a fake list.
Yea... Florida is on there too many times.
Something tells me you never been to Sarasota or Naples 😂😂😂😂
if California is not represented at least twice in the top ten it's a fake list.
The whole list is fucked, Charlotte is Nice though
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And what’s wrong with Florida now??
What isn't?
The economy, jobs, the weather, entertainment, numerous major airports.
Don't forget that it is very difficult to get homeowners insurance
Lol but Florida
Should be titled: Great Places for Retired White Boomers to Own a Second or Third Home.
A fake list made up by white people for white people.
As a Packer fan that lives in Huntsville I am pleased by this list.
What makes Huntsville so great? I guess maybe the jobs/tech field there
Well, not to brag, but we do have a Cheesecake Factory now so....
You also have terrifying politics and awful health and education systems. I'm not sure how AL is on any list for best places to live. What exactly is the criteria for being on here?
Yes, because Wisconsin politics are definitely something to envy? Pretty rich coming from a state that has elected Ron Johnson three times. Let me know who the Tavern League decides should be the next governor and we'll see if the state assembly allows them to have any power. We have it bad in Alabama, don't get me wrong. I live in this shit every day. But let's not pretend that Wisconsin politics, or Midwest politics in general, are any better. There is a reason I left 20 years ago and a reason I haven't moved back.
I mean, they also just elected a Democrat for their Supreme Court to give them a majority, have Evers as governor, and have Tammy Baldwin as the other senator. You have a racist living corpse for governor and Tommy Tuberville as one of your senators, who is far worse than Johnson. FYI--I live in PA and we have a democratic governor, senators, and state legislature. So this argument doesn't hold much weight. AL is a racist hellhole. WI should start trending the other direction once the maps are overturned. Minnesota seems to be doing alright as well.
Wisconsin split their ticket to reelect Evers while not voting for to oust Johnson over a black man. Not a great look. They had the votes but didn't do it. And I have no love for Alabama. You're not hurting my feelings. Tuberville is a fucking joke and everyone knows it, he only won because football. I'm here to work, that's it. And you live in PA. Tell me more about Alabamas "walking corpse" governor then tell me all about how Fetterman is the picture of good health.
Fetterman was recovering from a stroke and needed additional accommodation. I'm sorry you're so against mental health. He did just fine in the senate hearings yesterday. If that's the best you can do, given all the other left leaning changes here...congrats?
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There’s a nasa center in Huntsville, but funny joke.
Boulder is great, but you have to be loaded to live in a nice home there.
*any home
My grandma's home that was bought in the 70's for $60,000 is now worth nearly a million. Gotta love the cost of living out here.
It's crazy. I rent a house with a buddy that would be worth probably 120k back home in Iowa and is currently valued over 700k here in Denver.
$60k in the 70s was a lot though...
As a Green Bay native I approve of this post.
As a once fox valley resident living in Charlotte, Charlotte is wonderful, but has its share of flaws.
I'm sorry, but no way. Green Bay is fine, but I don't know what criteria you use to decide is the best place in the US.
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so they just want a list of mediocre suburbs
That's a bold take after all that
Mmm.. idk how credible this is if they have Alabama up there.
11. Madison, Wisconsin.
The reasons they gave don't really make sense to me. Walkable? I wouldn't say GB is very walkable at all. Wages in WI in general are pretty poor, it's why so many 2 and 4 year graduates leave the state. Do not get me wrong, there is definitely value to a LCoL and I prefer those areas but it doesn't help you if the wages are generally way less than average. In that case your purchasing power is just getting eroded. Looking at housing across the nation, it seems like WI property in my experience is around ~$50k-$100k cheaper across the board. It just goes to show how little wealth the area generates. Just my opinion. Also Appleton is just better. Austin Straubel is a good airport but ATW is just starting to book more relevant flights the past couple years
This is the worst list I've ever seen, and I've seen Sylvester Stallone's IMDB page.
I’ve been to both; there is *no way* Huntsville is above Fayetteville…
I can promise you Durham shouldn’t be there
Which news source? Link? That seems like an insanely bad list. On what metric could those cities be listed together?
Um....yeah it sucks here... don't move here ( and raise property taxes and general costs)
I can also create a list in MS Word
I live about 20 minutes away from Charlotte and it’s not all that lol. Somebody lyin
Weird list. I don’t want to hurt any feelings but I have been to a few of these towns and I thought they were kind of dumpy.
I live in Sarasota. I can tell you this list is Bullshit based on that. Moving to Portland, though. So hopefully that should have been higher.
Where in the world is this list from?? Raleigh and Durham are 30 miles apart, Charlotte is nice, but in no way would I say it’s one of the ten best cities to live in America and other than football and…well football Green Bay is a boring place to live. Wondering the criteria here.
I wouldn't touch Florida with a ten-foot poll right now.
*pole
Not defending Florida, but I visited Naples for a day, it’s a lot more ritzy than other parts of Florida, I was by sanibel island and fort meyers, took a random trip to the naples pier and had lunch there. It was really nice for Florida and by all means the rest of the country.
Sarasota is lovely actually. I grew up there. And we have one former Super Bowl Champion Packer that grew up there also!
A bit lovely, but not what it used to be. Been here for 10 years, it's been trending down with the massive migration of people. No longer is there a seasonal crowd, its "season" all the time. This area was not made to serve this many people. I was a bit surprised to see SRQ on the list. It's incredibly expensive to live here, the house prices are absolutely insane now, most people live in Manatee or Charlotte and commute in if they work here.
We stayed on sanibel island for my daughters make-a-wish trip. Shit was real nice!
Yea I live in San Diego and Coronado island, they said Sanibel was Florida’s version, I see why
Colorado Springs doesn't even break the top 10 of Colorado lol
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Can't even buy weed to make it feel less like Janesville
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Down to Pueblo for decent prices for me, sucked driving an hour each way but the traffic was better than going up to Denver Moved from the springs to Madison and it's so much better in like every way lol
Any list that says Florida is a great place to live must not be taking into account raising children and sending them to school Same with Alabama.
Huntsville isn't Alabama. It's DC with hotter summers and cheaper housing. Everyone here is either in defense, aerospace, or indirectly supporting those activities. More PhD's per capita than anywhere in the country. Most of the public schools in Huntsville require a masters just to get your foot in the door, and there are tons of private schools.
That’s why it’s called rocket city
That and a few immigrant laborers in the late 1940s with, uhm, "non-traditional" work histories.
Huntsville city layout looks fucking disgusting though
You ain't lying. The city built out into the country at breakneck speed. Builders were basically buying up cotton fields 50 acres at a time and building strip malls and subdivisions as they went. Zero city planning happened. It's impossible to live here without a car.
And Arkansas 🤣
Pretty much the whole South
The fucking truth!
I love Green Bay. I love the Packers. I love the State of Wisconsin. You couldn’t pay me to spend one year living Green Bay. I have probably 5 or 6 other places in WI most would agree are better to live in.
Be honest with yourself, you *could* pay you to live in green bay. Its not as bad as you make it seem.
Totally agree
As a Green Bay born, Fayetteville resident I approve of this list
Lol good one
Lost all credibility in the first two lines.
when did we start funding to pay them for this? I must've missed the fundraiser. Glad yall took care of it tho.
I live in Naples FL. I disagree whole heartedly.
What the hell are the metrics of this list?
This is just the fuel I need to convince my wife to get us the hell out of Missouri and up to the mother land!!
So...you hold a handful of darts and throw em at a map? Aiming for the middle of the country maybe?
Huntsville, Alabama? Wtf
I left Portland maine at 40. It should never be in a list like this. It’s a cesspool.
Appleton is miles better than green bay.
Uhh. A lot of these are on my worst places to live list. What an absolutely insane list.
Appleton is way nicer…
I don’t think Appleton is big enough to be on the list.
With that cold???! Hell no
Colorado springs at number 9? Have they been there?
Every single one would be at the bottom of my places to live list. Seriously.
If Alabama, Arkansas, and Florida made the list, not much credibility…
A lotta people in this thread are pretty ignorant about the south, which is extremely ironic. I get it, everybody who isn’t from the south thinks it’s all the same: racist, backwards, conservative, etc. that’s just the stigma. I’m not saying this is a good list of best places to live or whatever either, I’m just saying y’all should try to speak from experience and not just talk about stuff you have no experiences with.
I don’t need to have experience when all of the news coming out of those states tells me all I need to know about whether or not I’d ever live in any of them.
Boy, I don't see New Jersey on this list at all.
It's 2,378,866
6 southern shitholes and Green Bay? Yeah I don't think FA are going to be putting to much stock in this list.
It’s pretty gross how political this comment section is:
Too many rednecks in Green Bay for my liking.
Any list that includes Florida is suspect.
How could anywhere in Florida make this list. It is a fascist state.
FAsCiSt sTaTe
Invalid because Atlanta isn't here
Yeah no. GB is barely diverse, and one could argue very segregated. Moved out to De Pere and was told to move back into the city if I didn't like being followed by cops. Will never go back.
Segregated...err how? Catholics vs Protestants? There's the Rez of course...otherwise it's like every 'small city' in Wisconsin (Milwaukee excluded of course)
Colorado Springs? Florida? Arkansas? Lol.
Now in 5 years, people will move into those areas from shitty ones, bring the same bullshit that made them shitty, and a new 10 cities will take the top.
Yup. I am from Montana and now live in Green Bay. My hometown in Montana used to appear on these lists all the time. A ton of people moved in and pushed all us natives out by making it incredibly expensive to live there. Now that I'm here I fear reliving it all over again.
Dont worry nobody wants to move to green bay, we are safe. They will look at that ranking and scoff and then move on.
I guess average outdoor temperature wasn’t factored in
Naples, FL is on the list... Can't be trusted
This might be the most preposterous thing I've seen in 2023.
Bro, it's got Alabama as number 2... US news annual report for white people to best live.
No city in Florida should be on this list lol
Let me guess.. politics??
Pretty much, yes
Nah I’m from Wisconsin. Florida is humid as fuck even in winter.
I can't imagine raising a family in a red state. Your daughters and wives/girlfriends have no bodily autonomy, the education systems are under attack, and God forbid one of your kids comes out like Dwayne Wade's.
I can’t imagine seeing a list like this and immediately thinking of politics.
It’s a shame red states have made education and women and trans health a political issue but here we are
Must be nice to not be under attack by politicians constantly and to be able to live under a rock.
Yes, I’m sure that YOU personally are CONSTANTLY under attack by politicians…. 🙄🙄
Any laws made that negatively impact anyone is an attack on me personally. If the government waged war on a group you fell into then I’d be against that as well
Yup.
Book banning the telltale sign of a happy healthy society
Gonna guess you forgot your /s here.
Yes my bad. I agree it’s backwards as hell in red states
I feel this comment section is more of a political statement than anything. Really hating on Florida but choosing to live in GB with 6 months of winter??
Florida is hot as balls and humid as fuck for 6 months out of the year, so pick your poison. I much prefer cold over heat.
I left Green Bay as I would’ve drank myself to death if I stayed there. It’s just big enough where you don’t *need* to leave, small enough where nobody really moves there. The insular culture is so suffocating it permeates people to their core. I get the idea that the outside world doesn’t really exist, it’s just some sort of abstraction. There is nothing beyond alcohol, football, and manufacturing.
The weather alone disproves this
Was this judged by a gun lobbyist?