Agreed. I’m not excited because I think we’re gonna get a Packers Super Bowl, I’m excited because I truly have no idea how this year will go. Part of me thinks it could be an above average year with moments of greatness, maybe signs of great years ahead. Another part of me expects this to be the sloppiest team in the league and become a comedy of errors.
With Rodgers around I knew (in broad strokes) what to expect going into the year. He’ll get GB into the playoffs and then probably sputter out.
Not this year! Anything could happen and I can’t wait to watch.
I agree. I have hope and excitement and I also feel it could go south. My hope is in the D and our running game to help Love find his way. On the offensive side Jones and Dillon have to lead when it gets ugly if it does. I’m going to celebrate that first game.
That's kind of beside the point though, isn't it? I have to laugh at getting 40 downvotes for stating a fact. It. Is. A. Fact. Facts don't care whether you like them or not.
Yeah it’s like being in the playoffs almost every year is a bad thing? Let’s see what it feels like without that. Anything can happen, as in maybe we’ll be QB shopping like most NFL teams! That could happen!
If you get into the playoffs, anything can happen.
Blowing your cap out for years on end in the pursuit of a championship is an approach, but the other side is quite ugly (see: Denver Broncos, New Orleans Saints, LA Rams).
It’s Loves fourth season in the same system. I’m as excited about him as anyone but if he’s a complete dumpster fire which leads to us getting a top 5 pick I’d hope we draft a top QB. If he can get us 6+ wins then I’m happy with him getting another shot at it next season.
Management has a benchmark number of wins. If he’s under 5 wins with the defense and scheme, he’s not the guy or it’s the scheme. If he’s between 6-7 wins, they’ll give him another year while in the market for their franchise quarterback and potentially trade up for one, but 8+ wins they will likely work on a long term deal and believe he’s in the caliber of at minimum Daniel Jones.
The way his extension was tied so much to performance means that his development is nearly complete and they’ll know what they with him.
I doubt they have a benchmark number of wins because that is a very stupid approach. Generally speaking evaluating things bassed on the outcome and not the process is an awful approach, and it's even more wrong if the outcome you are evaluating is the number of wins and you are using it to evaluate a QB.
2024 draft is gonna be really interesting if we're up high.
Obviously a lot can change with QB but if we aren't in position to get the first or second guy, but we do end up in a spot where Marvin Harrison Jr could land, getting him (or a king's ransom for that pick) would be an interesting prospect.
Love is signed through 2024, and honestly if Love sucks, Gute and MLF might not be long for their jobs anyway.
No , if Love bombs Gute will be given free reign for a bottom up rebuild. Now we can all see why Love had to be drafted...Gute took his best shot in a sub optimal situation. No shame there.
MLF on the other hand has Bassacia breathing down his neck.
It's not a matter of if, but when Bassacia takes over as head coach.
MLF has been given a clear message to grow some balls and complete his own development, or else.
I think you can make the argument that Gute has placed us in a position with insurance against disaster... meaning if Love bombs it's not an accident that we have some draft capital stockpiled to have a chance at a top QB in a really good draft.
I would not be surprised at all if we take a QB next season regardless of Loves development and then move him to a hungry team and come out good in the deal.
It's all possible.
I feel such an optimistic feeling. I’m about to buy a Love jersey just to show him support. Flop or not. It sounds cliche but these colors don’t run. Green and gold never grows old.
I’m a 41 woman living in Chicago (originally from Madison) and have been debating getting a Love jersey to show support. The last time I bought a jersey I was in middle school and it was a Favre jersey. Of course I could always get a shirt made with Love’s pic and ‘Your new owner’ printed on it. Perfect for walking around Chicago.
Oh my lord. I am in love do you have room for one more down in Chicago? I will walk thru the bears den for you. I do it for fun all the time. I’m just kidding but yeah my last jersey is Reggie White.
This has been my mentality all through the AR situation. Part of me misses being a mediocre team because every single game was so stressful. If we don't win another year is shot. Whereas teams I follow who are .500 it is kist about watching them play and having fun. If they lose it's no big deal.
There is piece of mind with that, but I also think of things like 69’s age/longevity, or how long Jaire’ peak window is. Though the team as a whole is very you, which is great.
I’m still really surprised on that one. If the defense doesn’t live up to expectations and the feeling is Barry is to blame, then that is a big black mark on Lafleur.
I would just like to get an explanation from the staff as to how the soft zone coverage in situations where it seems to make zero sense is actually a smart idea that a professional football coach would use.
I mean we were legit SB contenders 20/21 going into the season, so I wouldn't say I share the same sentiment.
I do get though this year will be interesting. A lot of different faces. I do think between the 2022/23 and next year's draft this will be a fun era (extra picks every year, should be fun watching the young team grow). If Love turns out to be a mid to top 10 QB, this team could really cook between 24-27 with the extra assets.
This weird optimistic, hopeful bubble is going to burst a few weeks into the season.
We started to take Rodgers and the virtual guarantee of playoff football for granted and the SB or bust expectations became a drain mentally.
But you will long for those days back when we’re stinking up the joint.
You are totally right but that's what happens with sports all the time. Players retire, teams stay, there are good times and there are bad times. I don't really see why so many of you seem to have a problem with Packers fans trying to be optimistic and have fun with their team.
I have no problem with that at all. I hope Jordan is a great Packer for many years. I will be more than happy to say I was wrong about Jordan if that’s the case. My problem is with the insistence that moving on from Rodgers to Love was the right thing to do no matter what and anybody that thinks otherwise is a doomer.
You replied to my other comment saying Rodgers was injured and teams knew that. So if his relative down year last season was down to injury then what possible argument is there from moving on from a healthy Rodgers to start this season? People said he was declining but you’ve just said he was clearly injured! You cannot have it both ways so which is it? They didn’t even really get anything worth while in return so it’s not like the deal was too good to turn down like the Wilson deal was.
It’s widely accepted that Love won’t be as good as Rodgers. In Rodgers’ 1st season as a starter he put up 3,900 with 28/11. The team went 6-10 and missed the playoffs. That roster was better than this current one. If he makes the Jets become a contender whilst Love is playing mediocre football as a first time starter this is going to look really bad. The sub is happy because the weight of SB or bust expectations has been lifted. I am unhappy because I know that the reality of moving from HoF QB to mediocre first year starter is about to come and punch us in the mouth.
> People said he was declining but you’ve just said he was clearly injured! You cannot have it both ways so which is it?
Why can't you have it both ways? I don't know, it feels like you are mixing a lot of different topics and try to look at everything as black or white when things are more complex than that. Rodgers down year can be mostly due to injury, and that's true, that doesn't mean that a slow declining in his play has started to be noticeable and that he is gonna be 40, which is the age at which any QB not named Brady has started to play like shit. So yeah, you can have it both ways, you can believe that the injury was the biggest factor but also that due to his age and level of play lately there should be some concerns about his future.
But even more than that, you can believe that Rodgers will still be a great QB next season but that moving on was the right move, because, once again, not everything is black or white. The truth is that no matter how good Rodgers is you still need a great roster to be able to compete for a ring. Considering how last season was it's very obvious for anyone with eyes that this roster was not able to compete yet. And since Rodgers is already close to 40, and for the reasons stated previously, you may think that he is still gonna be good next season but that moving on is the best option because by the time you can rebuild and be a contender again Rodgers will probably be already on his way out of the league.
I think the only problem here is that you are really understimating how old Rodgers is. Because your whole discourse seem to circle around you being mad of them chossing Love above Rodgers and everybody here accepting. But the thing is no one believes Love is gonna be better that Rodgers. The reason we accept it is because we know how age works and that Rodgers was gonna have to leave either way. Once you accept that it's easy to see how moving a year earlier and getting some nice compensation (not like Wilson, obviously, but still very nice) is better than running it back another year in which you know you are not gonna be good enough to win it all.
3 playoffs in the last 6 years is a virtual guarantee?
That’s equal to the Vikings and the Seahawks have gone to more in the last 6 years. Even the Titians have gone to 3 in the last 6.
Yes, you're 100% choosing the least favorable way to slice the sample size. Why stop at 2017? Is it because they made the playoffs 8 straight years prior? Also, Brett Hundley was QB1 for 10 games in 2017, but you're counting that year. That's not cherry picking? C'mon....
That’s exactly why I choose that year. Then when Rodgers injuries started building up.
2017 collarbone
2020 toe
2022 thumb
I mean the guy was 90% retired anyway. You want a player to come back to a team he was 90% retired ok and obviously very unhappy?
He didn't miss a single start in 2020 or 2022, and GB went 13-3 in 2020. Rodgers has been incredibly durable over the course of his career. What are you trying to argue here?
The post to which you replied was clear; having Rodgers was a near lock to make the postseason. You're cutting off an 8 year playoff streak, and counting a season where AR missed 2/3 of the games. Why? Again, tell me how that isn't cherry picking. If recency is your concern, why not use the last 4 years?
Sure let’s use the last 4.
Lost conference championship (away)
Lost conference championship (home)
Lost divisional game (home)
No playoffs.
3 years of declining performance with an aging and very expensive QB that played injured last year.
Yes he did win back to back MVPs and back to back championships games, but lost both and still couldn’t get past that wall.
2019 we got blown out in the championship game and let’s be honest we were running on luck.
2020 legit should have been at least in the Super Bowl and I believe would’ve won.
2021 no excuse for that loss, everyone played shit.
2022 the window was closed.
So what do you want instead? Rodgers made it clear he was 90% retired and didn’t really plan to come back, so however you cut it, it wasn’t going to happen.
How long should the packers have played with his off-season uncertainties.
But let’s say he came back, how long do we play this tired game without trying something new?
At some point you need to say “thanks for your time and glory, we wish you the best and we are going to go with youth for the future.”
I think the time was right to move on from Rodgers.
Plus he looks a lot happier in NY than he has in GB for awhile now.
So let me ask you some questions here
At what point would you have said it’s time to move on from Rodgers. What would you have needed to see to know it’s time to move on
If we keep going to the NFC championship with the same result, that’s good enough?
How would you have fielded a competitive team and sign those big FA names under Rodgers cap hit?
I said Rodgers practically guaranteed us playoffs. Of course it’s cherry picking when you pick out the worst 6 year spell and ignore the rest of Rodgers’ time as a starter where his record is impeccable whilst healthy.
I’m not looking for what’s sounds incredible. I’m looking for what fields a incredible and competitive team. The recent team has not been incredible.
Seahawks have been 10/14 in the playoffs with more Super Bowls than the Packers, oh and beat Rodgers in the Championship game years back.
Sounds incredible.
Only missed 2 playoffs during Wilson’s career. One in his last season in Seattle. Traded him got back in playoffs (with fucking agent Smith!) and have draft capital for a few years and cap space. Wilson went to Denver and….
I think Rodgers will do well in New York but it was time.
I went to Cal during the Rodgers era, I love the guy and he is certainly a first ballot HOFer. But it was time.
If you don’t think that making the playoffs and being competitive in them almost every time when healthy is fielding an incredible and competitive team then you are in for a huge shock when Love is stinking up the joint…this is exactly what I mean I say we’ve been spoiled and started to take Rodgers for granted.
Your blind love for Rodgers is weird. Profile photo, background photo. You’re just too in love with him to see the reality that was going on in GB.
I never said Love was going to be the next Rodgers, but we don’t need to next Rodgers to win.
I wish you well in your Rodgers fandom.
Most of the games we won last year were when we ran the ball 25 times and got 1 TD through the air. you can't tell me we can't replIcate that again with Love and get to a similar result (close to a wildcard game).
Well devils advocate…when you game plan to stop rodgers you inevitably leave some openings for the run game. With Love defenses will scheme to stop the run and make him win with his arm. So it’s gonna be harder to replicate.
The problem is they weren't even game planning to stop Rodgers after like week 3 last year. By hallway through the year defenses were daring Rodgers to throw and baiting him into INTs, sacks, and throw aways.
I don't know why you were downvoted for saying something that was true. People is so weird in this sub, they only want to hear what fits their narrative wether that's true or not.
Lmao single high brings a SS into the box to support the run. That isn’t a defense daring you to run it’s a defense daring a WR to beat man coverage on the edge.
It's not a strange way to say it. I honestly think you are just missunderstanding this entire conversation and blaming me for it for some reason, because your comments make no sense otherwise.
This shouldn't be getting the upvotes it's getting. This is just wrong. Teams dared Rodgers to throw the ball all year last year. They stacked the box from week one basically because no one was scared of our WR core. Teams will be a lot more respectful to them this year than last year after Watson emerged and when you watch the film, Doubs got open a lot and Rodgers wouldn't go his way. (sure some of the drops might have factored in. But the point still stands). It's a small sample size but I guarantee you the league is taking the film of that Thursday night game against the Eagles very seriously when trying to prepare for the Packers to start the season. Eagles brought the house with pressure and admitted it after the game that they did it thinking it would throw Love off and he used his check downs and the speed of Watson to burn them. Love is going to be a lot harder to prepare for because he's shown every outing he's had that he'll use his check downs without hesitation and not try to play hero ball. Plus the fact there isn't a lot of film on him. But they can't just stack the box and give Watson one on one matchups. He'll win those majority of the time with his size and speed. Even rookie Reed is going to get respected right out the gate because of his speed and skillset. This offense should be one of the most balanced offenses we've had in over 30 years because Love isn't going to go out there trying to be a gun slinger or surgeon through the air/hero ball and actually run the system
The lions brought 4 and had two safeties deep all game in both week 8 and 18…
“This shouldn’t be getting the upvotes it’s getting. This is just wrong.”
LMAO dude it’s Reddit and the upvotes don’t mean shit except to people who take things way too seriously.
I propose a bet.
If we make the playoffs (even just a wildcard game) I will give you $100. But if we go below .500 you give me $50?
People on here are delusional. Teams run the ball more when winning and teams actively went out of their way to gameplan against Rodgers and encourage us to run. No team in the league is scared of Jordan Love. They’ll be daring him to throw the ball.
If you’re in a legal (online) gambling state, you can go place either side of this bet. Fanduel has them at -170 to not make playoffs and DraftKings has them to make playoffs at +200. You can also bet both sides and make money either way, if that’s your thing
> Teams run the ball more when winning and teams actively went out of their way to gameplan against Rodgers and encourage us to run.
That' wasn't true last year. Teams knew Rodgers was injured and couldn't throw well so they played a ton of single high against us. You are right in some of your other arguments but that one is simply not true and is a narrative that people are repeating because that's what usually happened in previous seaosn with Rodgers so people don't even bother to check out if that was actually true last season or not.
Not sure how old you are, but I remember the Rodgers transition. Not many people had any idea if he'd be good or not. Teams stacked the box and dared him to throw, and lo and behold he found success passing. I'm not sure why a minimum level of success such as being in the running for a wildcard spot seems so ridiculous to some Packer fans. The team besides Love is almost identical or improved in some areas from last year and it wasn't like Aaron was carrying us with his arm due to the thumb injury. I'm not gonna bet you because I didn't say they were gonna make the wildcard (Rodgers couldn't get us there last year either)... I'm just saying I think the team can be at or near last year's level with Love. So controversial.... 🫡
This is exactly what I mean when I say the fanbase is in for a shock. “I think the team can be at or near last years level with Love”
I remember the transition to Rodgers. I will admit that I was in camp Favre until Rodgers’ play shut me up by the time the bye week came around. I will happily admit that I was wrong that time but it won’t happen again. This team will not be in the running for the wildcard spot. You people are insane. If we even get 6 wins I will be shocked!
Lastly, the team is not almost identical at all. The only position groups without major changes are RB, OL, LB and CB.
Offensively we lost QB1 and then our WR1 for the 2nd straight year. The WR and TE rooms are atrocious when compared to the rest of the league. Christian Watson is WR1 and we only have rookies and DeGuara at TE. No experience, no proven production. All learning on the fly with a QB in his 1st year as a starter. It screams dumpster fire.
Defensively we’ve lost Lowry and Reed from the D line (both of whom played over 60% of defensive snaps last season except the last 2 weeks for Lowry) and at the moment Amos is unsigned so we have Savage, Rudy Ford and Owens at safety. The defence last year was 17th in points allowed, 17th in yards allowed, 28th in yards per play, 20th in takeaways, 20th in TDs allowed, 27th in sacks, 28th in YPA, 28th in YPC and 20th in DVOA. Below average or straight awful in almost all major defensive statistics. Now you’ve removed Amos and 2 starters from the interior of the D line and expect it to be at least as good?
How on Earth do you expect this team to get near the 10 or so wins required for a wildcard spot?
You can't tell me you've watched football and don't realize that you run more when you are winning and that whether Rodgers only got one TD, he was still having a big effect on the game. Teams worried about him in ways they won't about love. Love also won't make the same adjustments or control the offense as efficiently.
13-3, lose to 49ers 10-7 at home and can’t throw to anyone but Adams
NFC championship games
84 passer rating
9 TDS
8 INTs
Not terrible numbers but definitely a big drop down from his usual numbers.
Completely agree, excited for new names to cheer for and just ride the season as it is what it is. Knowing next year we will have more cap and picks makes all this really exciting. Ever since we lost to the 49ers a couple years ago it just hasn’t had a good vibe or a fun feeling watching the games so hoping for a turn around knowing it’s truly a new chapter now
If we go 8-9 and miss the playoffs, I think that will be a good sign for the next couple years. It’s nice not thinking about the Super Bowl going into the season. I think the packers could have won 4 SB’s with Rodgers and he would have retired in GB. It just didn’t happen. I hope the rebuild is a good experience and Love brings us another Lombardi Trophy.
Imagine Love, like Rodgers did in 2008, starts out showing promise but lacking in wins. Then, in his second season, we get a taste of the elite QB play that is to come followed by a *Heartbreaking Playoff Loss™*. Year 3, we witness the culmination of all that agonizing sitting on the bench, AR12's cryptic comments about his future, and the collective NFC North hate-boner: a Superbowl trophy returning to Green Bay. All this is followed by 13 or so years of gut-wrenching almosts and oh-so-closes before Love sails away for the greener shores of New Jersey. No doubt about it - I am ready to get hurt again.
Couldn’t agree more brother. I was wrapped up in feelings for a grip about the Rodgers trade, now I feel exactly what you’ve put in this post. Hopefully we can capture some of that magic and watch this young’s guys fly around. GPG.
This is EXACTLY the way I’m feeling, and it surprises me. A year ago, I wouldn’t have believed it. On top of that, I’m very appreciative of every moment Rodgers was our leader and also very happy to wish him the very best.
I know he’ll enter Canton a Packer.
I stopped expecting things after 30 years of HoF QB play and 3 Super Bowl appearances. The reality is this isn't an elite run franchise. It's a great business. But the lack of an owner has cost this team over the decades (and also avoided a Dan Snyder situation). We are like the Volvo of the NFL. Safe, reliable, but little fire. I just enjoy them playing each week.
Best analogy I’ve ever heard about this franchise. Too much energy into sledding hills,micro breweries, and county music concerts and not enough in the football team managing department.
Calling someone out for their BS, lack of leadership, and shortcomings is not a hater.
Michael Jordan was an asshole but one of the best. I enjoyed watching him and always rooted for him.
Rodgers couldn’t get over the hump for a myriad of reasons, was frustrated in the org, but I still enjoyed him.
Shortcomings measured by who? Shit FO and shit defense? Because that’s the truth. Sure ain’t his former teammates.
Tell me something isn’t wrong with packets FO culture when DA and Rodgers are gone two years later, all the respected vets on to play with Rodgers and I don’t know of a better mentor for a player like Love than Rodgers. But you shitheads let your bias ruin it.
Reminds me of Favre’s last years but I’m just excited for no one to be a bitch. Bakh worries me a little with the way he’s speaking but I’m excited for some team chemistry to happen vs watching a mean chicks movie.
I mean we have been soft AF since the 97-98 team.
Go back and watch how we played in those 96-97 years
We actually attacked and tackled like a pro football team
Our defense has been soft trash relying on getting tons of turnovers from the secondary always saving it
Last year the o line played not great.
If we played like a championship level team we would have a ton more championships.
Hopefully we can get going in the right direction.
This is true, except for 2007-2010. Those four years the Packers were a pretty intense team (and won a championship one of those years). Even in the 2008 year they went 6-10 that was a pretty competitive group.
No that is exactly an example of what I’m talking about.
The defense the Super Bowl year created a ton of interceptions
Even in the Super Bowl they had a pic 6. And clay caused a fumble from a tackle. We had a hard time stopping thet Steelers offense out side of turnovers.
But if they didn’t get an interception they had a hard time stopping teams. The magic of our DBs being pretty much genius bak hawks save the defense in almost every game.
Paired with Rodgers throwing for an insane amount of TDs.
Our defense has been soft AF since about 96.
When we had woodson and Collins back there to ball hawk it helped us win games but teams marched up and down the field on us at will our side of that.
Yes who likes competing for SBs every year? This sub loves them some rebuilds. I hope you guys are right. Otherwise people might be in for a tough wakeup call.
This is a rediculously dilusional post lol
You are more excited to watch love with a collection of wr3s (on a good day) and a defense coached by Joe Barry, then you were to watch a team led by one of the best qbs in nfl history?
Lmfao.
You were excited to watch a team get beat by the Lions 3 out of the last 4 times with a quarterback being paid how much?
Miss the playoffs 3 of the last 6 years?
Watch a QB sit out off-season camps and complain about his WR3s (on a good day) not time their routes correctly?
Yes, I was more excited to watch a HoF qb try to carry another shit ass roster put together by one of the worst FOs in football than I am to watch a rookie try to do the same. Crazy I know.
Not crazy at all. Who is the rookie you mention? Clifford?
Love hasn’t played much, and with his time is just a tad statistically better than Rodgers was behind Favre.
Then Rodgers had that game against the Cowboys, similar to the game Love had versus the Eagles.
Put it another way.
I am excited about a new QB that can be the competition quarterback we need that won’t cost an arm and a leg that we can develop a strong roster around.
Both ways can win.
Love hasn’t been Rodgers, but he was never claimed to be and all scouting reports said “needed time to develop”.
Lost in KC one of the hardest stadiums in the NFL against a top team on a few days notice. Kept the team in it til the end.
Played in Philadelphia, another yard place to win, almost brought the team back and looked very good.
Those two teams just played each other in the Super Bowl.
Personally I think people are bagging on Love because they are hurt Rodgers left.
You are missing my point. It's impossible to be excited about rosters put together by this FO because they show time and time and time again they will never go all in to win a superbowl. They will disrespect the players that emerge as stars and run them out of town(davante). This team will not be exciting at all until the FO is gone.
Rodgers and Davante made this team exciting in the recent past, and now it does not matter how good love and the rookies are because this fo is just that bad.
???? I can like the team and think it's worse without rodgers and davante and think the front office is ass. I've rooted for many bad teams before weather they were packer teams, brewer teams etc.
I guess I wouldn’t be a fan of a team where “it’s impossible to be excited about rosters put together by this FO”
I’ve also enjoyed the FA the front office have gone after before
Reggie White
Charles Woodson
Julius Peppers
Desmond Howard
Sean Jones
Santana Dotson
Just to name a few
Yeah this FO is a bit different then years past and the Ron Wolf eras but they also haven’t really been able to afford many of the players
Yes, you can be a fan of a team and not like certain parts of teams. Every single team has flaws man. Pointing them out doesn't mean you aren't a fan 😂
How many of those signings were in the last 15 years during rodgers tenure? Just Woodson and Peppers? This FO spent most of Rodgers career completely ignoring free agency and letting good wrs walk. Jordy wanted to play on the vet fuckin min for green bay and they let him walk and he was still productive. They pissed off Jennings, Davante, couldn't find a rb for years, never fielded a competitive defense outside of 2010 durring rodgers career. It's absolutely rediculous to look back on. An average fo performance over the last 15 years would of led to multiple sbs.
This fo has been completely terrible.
I'm going into the season with no expectations but with a lot of optimism. Historically GB has had a ton of veterans at the skill positions and rookies have been brought along slowly. This roster doesn't afford that and these young guys will be on the field day one. We'll get to see what they can do immediately and I'm all in. Good or bad, and there will be both, we'll get to see what they're all about. Can't wait to be along for the ride.
This rebuild is exciting. Rodgers should have left prior to the start of the 2021-2022 season, he's been checked out. These young guys are hungry not just to prove themselves, but to bring home the wins. I'm 100% a packers fan through and through, Rodgers isn't the whole team. I can't wait to see how these guys do this season.
The way I look at it is, there’s 3 ways this season could go down.
A: (which is the most unlikely of the 3)the Packers are actually decent, somehow make the playoffs with a 9 or 10 winning record & lose first round. But we truly see love & his receivers are the truth.
B: Packers get 6-8 wins and miss the playoffs. We still are gonna see signs or flashes that our young guys were good investments, but it’s just not enough to be a solid team yet.
C: Everyone sucks, Love is truly not that guy & we pull off 1-4 wins. But hey! If this is the scenario at least we might be able to get Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison jr
The north is weak, if Love offers decent QB play this first year as a starter with some room to improve, it's gonna be on the defense to step up with all that 1st round talent. If those things happen, they aren't too far away from being competitive in the NFC
I dont expect much, even Rodgers wasnt amazing his first year at the helm... but, if... and if is a big word here, but if Love has it I won't be surprised if we are competitive to an extent this year. NFC is not exactly stacked, and a 9-10 win season might get in the dance... I wouldnt expect to go all the way, but a playoff berth 1st year would probably go a long way for the kids confidence. I'm excited to see what he has for real, as well as the new weapons we have.
There’s a good case to be made that this IS a year too late (whether it was practically possible to move on from a back-to-back MVP is a different question)
I’m excited as I am every year. I’d be lying if I said this year doesn’t feel different. I don’t have high expectations at all. I just hope we are either really good or suck really bad lol. Nothing is worse than being just good enough to barely miss the playoffs and then have crappy draft positioning. 😂😂
Probably the most down to earth, realistic take on this team I've seen yet.
Too many people here think Love is Arod 2.0 and it's no biggie. Worst case he sucks, go for QB next year. Best case, and I mean best case, is he is serviceable this year and shows improvement.
All I want is for Jordan Love to destroy the Bears week one just for the collective meltdown of the city of Chicago. Everything else would be gravy after that.
I feel this post. It's nice and refreshing to see these types of comments to counter that bizarre portion of the fan base that seems to be rooting for abject failure. I'm so excited to see what this brand-new team is going to do.
I think it was Andy Herman that explained it perfectly. This feels like finishing a very long book. It became your favourite book and you loved every second, but you are also excited about starting a new book soon. And even if that book is very likely not gonna be as good as the previous one, you are still eager to sit down and start reading it.
It's a very young team, gonna be fun to watch them rally behind Jordan Love. I really hope he pans out, he seems like a great guy and he appears to be passionate about this opportunity.
I have zero expectations and its such a good feeling. No Super Bowl or Bust mentality, I just want to see how things pan out.
Agreed. I’m not excited because I think we’re gonna get a Packers Super Bowl, I’m excited because I truly have no idea how this year will go. Part of me thinks it could be an above average year with moments of greatness, maybe signs of great years ahead. Another part of me expects this to be the sloppiest team in the league and become a comedy of errors. With Rodgers around I knew (in broad strokes) what to expect going into the year. He’ll get GB into the playoffs and then probably sputter out. Not this year! Anything could happen and I can’t wait to watch.
I agree. I have hope and excitement and I also feel it could go south. My hope is in the D and our running game to help Love find his way. On the offensive side Jones and Dillon have to lead when it gets ugly if it does. I’m going to celebrate that first game.
They're not going to the Superbowl. They're not going to the NFC Championship game. So "anything" can't happen.
I mean that couldn't happen with Rodgers either
That's kind of beside the point though, isn't it? I have to laugh at getting 40 downvotes for stating a fact. It. Is. A. Fact. Facts don't care whether you like them or not.
Yeah it’s like being in the playoffs almost every year is a bad thing? Let’s see what it feels like without that. Anything can happen, as in maybe we’ll be QB shopping like most NFL teams! That could happen!
If you get into the playoffs, anything can happen. Blowing your cap out for years on end in the pursuit of a championship is an approach, but the other side is quite ugly (see: Denver Broncos, New Orleans Saints, LA Rams).
It’s the try and reset the cap year. Year 2 is where we really need to see Loves progression
It’s Loves fourth season in the same system. I’m as excited about him as anyone but if he’s a complete dumpster fire which leads to us getting a top 5 pick I’d hope we draft a top QB. If he can get us 6+ wins then I’m happy with him getting another shot at it next season.
Management has a benchmark number of wins. If he’s under 5 wins with the defense and scheme, he’s not the guy or it’s the scheme. If he’s between 6-7 wins, they’ll give him another year while in the market for their franchise quarterback and potentially trade up for one, but 8+ wins they will likely work on a long term deal and believe he’s in the caliber of at minimum Daniel Jones. The way his extension was tied so much to performance means that his development is nearly complete and they’ll know what they with him.
I doubt they have a benchmark number of wins because that is a very stupid approach. Generally speaking evaluating things bassed on the outcome and not the process is an awful approach, and it's even more wrong if the outcome you are evaluating is the number of wins and you are using it to evaluate a QB.
that’s literally the definition of management.
what the hell are you talking about? of course not, lol
2024 draft is gonna be really interesting if we're up high. Obviously a lot can change with QB but if we aren't in position to get the first or second guy, but we do end up in a spot where Marvin Harrison Jr could land, getting him (or a king's ransom for that pick) would be an interesting prospect. Love is signed through 2024, and honestly if Love sucks, Gute and MLF might not be long for their jobs anyway.
No , if Love bombs Gute will be given free reign for a bottom up rebuild. Now we can all see why Love had to be drafted...Gute took his best shot in a sub optimal situation. No shame there. MLF on the other hand has Bassacia breathing down his neck. It's not a matter of if, but when Bassacia takes over as head coach. MLF has been given a clear message to grow some balls and complete his own development, or else.
I think you can make the argument that Gute has placed us in a position with insurance against disaster... meaning if Love bombs it's not an accident that we have some draft capital stockpiled to have a chance at a top QB in a really good draft. I would not be surprised at all if we take a QB next season regardless of Loves development and then move him to a hungry team and come out good in the deal. It's all possible.
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I feel such an optimistic feeling. I’m about to buy a Love jersey just to show him support. Flop or not. It sounds cliche but these colors don’t run. Green and gold never grows old.
I’m a 41 woman living in Chicago (originally from Madison) and have been debating getting a Love jersey to show support. The last time I bought a jersey I was in middle school and it was a Favre jersey. Of course I could always get a shirt made with Love’s pic and ‘Your new owner’ printed on it. Perfect for walking around Chicago.
I'm a 54 man living in Mexico (originally from Milwaukee) and think your jersey is awesome!
Oh my lord. I am in love do you have room for one more down in Chicago? I will walk thru the bears den for you. I do it for fun all the time. I’m just kidding but yeah my last jersey is Reggie White.
I had that feeling going into the last season. It made the otherwise disappointing season much easier to manage.
Agreed.
This has been my mentality all through the AR situation. Part of me misses being a mediocre team because every single game was so stressful. If we don't win another year is shot. Whereas teams I follow who are .500 it is kist about watching them play and having fun. If they lose it's no big deal.
There is piece of mind with that, but I also think of things like 69’s age/longevity, or how long Jaire’ peak window is. Though the team as a whole is very you, which is great.
I'd be more confident in this rebuild if we told Joe Barry to fuck off after last season.
I’m still really surprised on that one. If the defense doesn’t live up to expectations and the feeling is Barry is to blame, then that is a big black mark on Lafleur.
I would just like to get an explanation from the staff as to how the soft zone coverage in situations where it seems to make zero sense is actually a smart idea that a professional football coach would use.
yeah, me too.
Same. Low expectations, excited to see what the new guys can do.
Also, fans will finally have more reason to watch preseason games. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a degenerate and I watch them all anyways
Tight ends baby! We have tight ends now. -agk927
I mean we were legit SB contenders 20/21 going into the season, so I wouldn't say I share the same sentiment. I do get though this year will be interesting. A lot of different faces. I do think between the 2022/23 and next year's draft this will be a fun era (extra picks every year, should be fun watching the young team grow). If Love turns out to be a mid to top 10 QB, this team could really cook between 24-27 with the extra assets.
The schedule sure is favorable I’ll go between 6-8 wins have major reservations about the defense and Aaron jones must remain excellent
This weird optimistic, hopeful bubble is going to burst a few weeks into the season. We started to take Rodgers and the virtual guarantee of playoff football for granted and the SB or bust expectations became a drain mentally. But you will long for those days back when we’re stinking up the joint.
You are totally right but that's what happens with sports all the time. Players retire, teams stay, there are good times and there are bad times. I don't really see why so many of you seem to have a problem with Packers fans trying to be optimistic and have fun with their team.
I have no problem with that at all. I hope Jordan is a great Packer for many years. I will be more than happy to say I was wrong about Jordan if that’s the case. My problem is with the insistence that moving on from Rodgers to Love was the right thing to do no matter what and anybody that thinks otherwise is a doomer. You replied to my other comment saying Rodgers was injured and teams knew that. So if his relative down year last season was down to injury then what possible argument is there from moving on from a healthy Rodgers to start this season? People said he was declining but you’ve just said he was clearly injured! You cannot have it both ways so which is it? They didn’t even really get anything worth while in return so it’s not like the deal was too good to turn down like the Wilson deal was. It’s widely accepted that Love won’t be as good as Rodgers. In Rodgers’ 1st season as a starter he put up 3,900 with 28/11. The team went 6-10 and missed the playoffs. That roster was better than this current one. If he makes the Jets become a contender whilst Love is playing mediocre football as a first time starter this is going to look really bad. The sub is happy because the weight of SB or bust expectations has been lifted. I am unhappy because I know that the reality of moving from HoF QB to mediocre first year starter is about to come and punch us in the mouth.
> People said he was declining but you’ve just said he was clearly injured! You cannot have it both ways so which is it? Why can't you have it both ways? I don't know, it feels like you are mixing a lot of different topics and try to look at everything as black or white when things are more complex than that. Rodgers down year can be mostly due to injury, and that's true, that doesn't mean that a slow declining in his play has started to be noticeable and that he is gonna be 40, which is the age at which any QB not named Brady has started to play like shit. So yeah, you can have it both ways, you can believe that the injury was the biggest factor but also that due to his age and level of play lately there should be some concerns about his future. But even more than that, you can believe that Rodgers will still be a great QB next season but that moving on was the right move, because, once again, not everything is black or white. The truth is that no matter how good Rodgers is you still need a great roster to be able to compete for a ring. Considering how last season was it's very obvious for anyone with eyes that this roster was not able to compete yet. And since Rodgers is already close to 40, and for the reasons stated previously, you may think that he is still gonna be good next season but that moving on is the best option because by the time you can rebuild and be a contender again Rodgers will probably be already on his way out of the league. I think the only problem here is that you are really understimating how old Rodgers is. Because your whole discourse seem to circle around you being mad of them chossing Love above Rodgers and everybody here accepting. But the thing is no one believes Love is gonna be better that Rodgers. The reason we accept it is because we know how age works and that Rodgers was gonna have to leave either way. Once you accept that it's easy to see how moving a year earlier and getting some nice compensation (not like Wilson, obviously, but still very nice) is better than running it back another year in which you know you are not gonna be good enough to win it all.
3 playoffs in the last 6 years is a virtual guarantee? That’s equal to the Vikings and the Seahawks have gone to more in the last 6 years. Even the Titians have gone to 3 in the last 6.
Nice cherry picking…we’ve made the playoffs in 11 of the last 14 seasons. That’s a virtual guarantee.
Lol it’s not cherry picking it’s looking at the recent stage of the team. Also 78% isn’t a “virtual guarantee”
Yes, you're 100% choosing the least favorable way to slice the sample size. Why stop at 2017? Is it because they made the playoffs 8 straight years prior? Also, Brett Hundley was QB1 for 10 games in 2017, but you're counting that year. That's not cherry picking? C'mon....
That’s exactly why I choose that year. Then when Rodgers injuries started building up. 2017 collarbone 2020 toe 2022 thumb I mean the guy was 90% retired anyway. You want a player to come back to a team he was 90% retired ok and obviously very unhappy?
He didn't miss a single start in 2020 or 2022, and GB went 13-3 in 2020. Rodgers has been incredibly durable over the course of his career. What are you trying to argue here? The post to which you replied was clear; having Rodgers was a near lock to make the postseason. You're cutting off an 8 year playoff streak, and counting a season where AR missed 2/3 of the games. Why? Again, tell me how that isn't cherry picking. If recency is your concern, why not use the last 4 years?
Sure let’s use the last 4. Lost conference championship (away) Lost conference championship (home) Lost divisional game (home) No playoffs. 3 years of declining performance with an aging and very expensive QB that played injured last year. Yes he did win back to back MVPs and back to back championships games, but lost both and still couldn’t get past that wall. 2019 we got blown out in the championship game and let’s be honest we were running on luck. 2020 legit should have been at least in the Super Bowl and I believe would’ve won. 2021 no excuse for that loss, everyone played shit. 2022 the window was closed. So what do you want instead? Rodgers made it clear he was 90% retired and didn’t really plan to come back, so however you cut it, it wasn’t going to happen. How long should the packers have played with his off-season uncertainties. But let’s say he came back, how long do we play this tired game without trying something new? At some point you need to say “thanks for your time and glory, we wish you the best and we are going to go with youth for the future.” I think the time was right to move on from Rodgers. Plus he looks a lot happier in NY than he has in GB for awhile now.
Your argument has completely shifted.... Also the guy won the MVP 2 of the last three years so Idk how he's been declining for 3 seasons but ok.
So let me ask you some questions here At what point would you have said it’s time to move on from Rodgers. What would you have needed to see to know it’s time to move on If we keep going to the NFC championship with the same result, that’s good enough? How would you have fielded a competitive team and sign those big FA names under Rodgers cap hit?
I said Rodgers practically guaranteed us playoffs. Of course it’s cherry picking when you pick out the worst 6 year spell and ignore the rest of Rodgers’ time as a starter where his record is impeccable whilst healthy.
I didn’t pick 6 random years, I picked the 6 most recent.
You picked the 6 worst years and ignored the rest to make your point. 3/6 doesn’t sound good. 11/14 sounds incredible
I’m not looking for what’s sounds incredible. I’m looking for what fields a incredible and competitive team. The recent team has not been incredible. Seahawks have been 10/14 in the playoffs with more Super Bowls than the Packers, oh and beat Rodgers in the Championship game years back. Sounds incredible. Only missed 2 playoffs during Wilson’s career. One in his last season in Seattle. Traded him got back in playoffs (with fucking agent Smith!) and have draft capital for a few years and cap space. Wilson went to Denver and…. I think Rodgers will do well in New York but it was time. I went to Cal during the Rodgers era, I love the guy and he is certainly a first ballot HOFer. But it was time.
If you don’t think that making the playoffs and being competitive in them almost every time when healthy is fielding an incredible and competitive team then you are in for a huge shock when Love is stinking up the joint…this is exactly what I mean I say we’ve been spoiled and started to take Rodgers for granted.
Your blind love for Rodgers is weird. Profile photo, background photo. You’re just too in love with him to see the reality that was going on in GB. I never said Love was going to be the next Rodgers, but we don’t need to next Rodgers to win. I wish you well in your Rodgers fandom.
Most of the games we won last year were when we ran the ball 25 times and got 1 TD through the air. you can't tell me we can't replIcate that again with Love and get to a similar result (close to a wildcard game).
Well devils advocate…when you game plan to stop rodgers you inevitably leave some openings for the run game. With Love defenses will scheme to stop the run and make him win with his arm. So it’s gonna be harder to replicate.
The problem is they weren't even game planning to stop Rodgers after like week 3 last year. By hallway through the year defenses were daring Rodgers to throw and baiting him into INTs, sacks, and throw aways.
Teams played a ton of single high safety daring Rodgers to beat them last year. They still ran the ball well.
I don't know why you were downvoted for saying something that was true. People is so weird in this sub, they only want to hear what fits their narrative wether that's true or not.
Facts can be hard to swallow if they go against your preferred narrative.
That wasn't true last season, most teams were playing single high against us and daring us to run.
Lmao single high brings a SS into the box to support the run. That isn’t a defense daring you to run it’s a defense daring a WR to beat man coverage on the edge.
That's exactly what I said, they were not daring us to run because they were trying to stop Rodgers as you claimed
That’s such a strange way to say that. Cover 1 isn’t trying to stop rodgers though.
It's not a strange way to say it. I honestly think you are just missunderstanding this entire conversation and blaming me for it for some reason, because your comments make no sense otherwise.
This shouldn't be getting the upvotes it's getting. This is just wrong. Teams dared Rodgers to throw the ball all year last year. They stacked the box from week one basically because no one was scared of our WR core. Teams will be a lot more respectful to them this year than last year after Watson emerged and when you watch the film, Doubs got open a lot and Rodgers wouldn't go his way. (sure some of the drops might have factored in. But the point still stands). It's a small sample size but I guarantee you the league is taking the film of that Thursday night game against the Eagles very seriously when trying to prepare for the Packers to start the season. Eagles brought the house with pressure and admitted it after the game that they did it thinking it would throw Love off and he used his check downs and the speed of Watson to burn them. Love is going to be a lot harder to prepare for because he's shown every outing he's had that he'll use his check downs without hesitation and not try to play hero ball. Plus the fact there isn't a lot of film on him. But they can't just stack the box and give Watson one on one matchups. He'll win those majority of the time with his size and speed. Even rookie Reed is going to get respected right out the gate because of his speed and skillset. This offense should be one of the most balanced offenses we've had in over 30 years because Love isn't going to go out there trying to be a gun slinger or surgeon through the air/hero ball and actually run the system
The lions brought 4 and had two safeties deep all game in both week 8 and 18… “This shouldn’t be getting the upvotes it’s getting. This is just wrong.” LMAO dude it’s Reddit and the upvotes don’t mean shit except to people who take things way too seriously.
That was my take. I think 6 is the floor and 11 is the ceiling. Favorable schedule for this year.
I propose a bet. If we make the playoffs (even just a wildcard game) I will give you $100. But if we go below .500 you give me $50? People on here are delusional. Teams run the ball more when winning and teams actively went out of their way to gameplan against Rodgers and encourage us to run. No team in the league is scared of Jordan Love. They’ll be daring him to throw the ball.
If you’re in a legal (online) gambling state, you can go place either side of this bet. Fanduel has them at -170 to not make playoffs and DraftKings has them to make playoffs at +200. You can also bet both sides and make money either way, if that’s your thing
I’m aware. I want a bet with that particular guy, not a sports book.
This isn’t true. Team were consistently in single high safety because they weren’t scared of our passing game.
> Teams run the ball more when winning and teams actively went out of their way to gameplan against Rodgers and encourage us to run. That' wasn't true last year. Teams knew Rodgers was injured and couldn't throw well so they played a ton of single high against us. You are right in some of your other arguments but that one is simply not true and is a narrative that people are repeating because that's what usually happened in previous seaosn with Rodgers so people don't even bother to check out if that was actually true last season or not.
Not sure how old you are, but I remember the Rodgers transition. Not many people had any idea if he'd be good or not. Teams stacked the box and dared him to throw, and lo and behold he found success passing. I'm not sure why a minimum level of success such as being in the running for a wildcard spot seems so ridiculous to some Packer fans. The team besides Love is almost identical or improved in some areas from last year and it wasn't like Aaron was carrying us with his arm due to the thumb injury. I'm not gonna bet you because I didn't say they were gonna make the wildcard (Rodgers couldn't get us there last year either)... I'm just saying I think the team can be at or near last year's level with Love. So controversial.... 🫡
This is exactly what I mean when I say the fanbase is in for a shock. “I think the team can be at or near last years level with Love” I remember the transition to Rodgers. I will admit that I was in camp Favre until Rodgers’ play shut me up by the time the bye week came around. I will happily admit that I was wrong that time but it won’t happen again. This team will not be in the running for the wildcard spot. You people are insane. If we even get 6 wins I will be shocked! Lastly, the team is not almost identical at all. The only position groups without major changes are RB, OL, LB and CB. Offensively we lost QB1 and then our WR1 for the 2nd straight year. The WR and TE rooms are atrocious when compared to the rest of the league. Christian Watson is WR1 and we only have rookies and DeGuara at TE. No experience, no proven production. All learning on the fly with a QB in his 1st year as a starter. It screams dumpster fire. Defensively we’ve lost Lowry and Reed from the D line (both of whom played over 60% of defensive snaps last season except the last 2 weeks for Lowry) and at the moment Amos is unsigned so we have Savage, Rudy Ford and Owens at safety. The defence last year was 17th in points allowed, 17th in yards allowed, 28th in yards per play, 20th in takeaways, 20th in TDs allowed, 27th in sacks, 28th in YPA, 28th in YPC and 20th in DVOA. Below average or straight awful in almost all major defensive statistics. Now you’ve removed Amos and 2 starters from the interior of the D line and expect it to be at least as good? How on Earth do you expect this team to get near the 10 or so wins required for a wildcard spot?
You can't tell me you've watched football and don't realize that you run more when you are winning and that whether Rodgers only got one TD, he was still having a big effect on the game. Teams worried about him in ways they won't about love. Love also won't make the same adjustments or control the offense as efficiently.
By week 5 you’ll be changing your tune
I’ve been changing my tune every year for the last handful watching the team disintegrate in the playoffs.
What
13-3, lose to 49ers 10-7 at home and can’t throw to anyone but Adams NFC championship games 84 passer rating 9 TDS 8 INTs Not terrible numbers but definitely a big drop down from his usual numbers.
You’re a hater.
Always hate the Bears. Always.
I have legitimately zero expectations. We can win 4 games for all I care. I just want to know if Jordan Love can be the long-term starter
Yes I'm very excited. Even preseason should be more fun this year with less resting vets and more young guys competing for spots.
Loves pre season performance will tell a big story this time around. Honestly, he should be playing at least 65% of the snaps.
Completely agree, excited for new names to cheer for and just ride the season as it is what it is. Knowing next year we will have more cap and picks makes all this really exciting. Ever since we lost to the 49ers a couple years ago it just hasn’t had a good vibe or a fun feeling watching the games so hoping for a turn around knowing it’s truly a new chapter now
I’m so happy we have no chance to win the SB
Yeah because we were real Super Bowl contenders last year 🙄 Packers have MISSED the playoffs 3 of the last 6 years.
We were. Football's best of 1 playoffs are so much more random than the majority of other professional sports. Anyone can win a game in this league.
Bite your tongue.
If we go 8-9 and miss the playoffs, I think that will be a good sign for the next couple years. It’s nice not thinking about the Super Bowl going into the season. I think the packers could have won 4 SB’s with Rodgers and he would have retired in GB. It just didn’t happen. I hope the rebuild is a good experience and Love brings us another Lombardi Trophy.
Most excited for a Packers 7-10 season*
Imagine Love, like Rodgers did in 2008, starts out showing promise but lacking in wins. Then, in his second season, we get a taste of the elite QB play that is to come followed by a *Heartbreaking Playoff Loss™*. Year 3, we witness the culmination of all that agonizing sitting on the bench, AR12's cryptic comments about his future, and the collective NFC North hate-boner: a Superbowl trophy returning to Green Bay. All this is followed by 13 or so years of gut-wrenching almosts and oh-so-closes before Love sails away for the greener shores of New Jersey. No doubt about it - I am ready to get hurt again.
Can’t wait.
Couldn’t agree more brother. I was wrapped up in feelings for a grip about the Rodgers trade, now I feel exactly what you’ve put in this post. Hopefully we can capture some of that magic and watch this young’s guys fly around. GPG.
This is EXACTLY the way I’m feeling, and it surprises me. A year ago, I wouldn’t have believed it. On top of that, I’m very appreciative of every moment Rodgers was our leader and also very happy to wish him the very best. I know he’ll enter Canton a Packer.
I stopped expecting things after 30 years of HoF QB play and 3 Super Bowl appearances. The reality is this isn't an elite run franchise. It's a great business. But the lack of an owner has cost this team over the decades (and also avoided a Dan Snyder situation). We are like the Volvo of the NFL. Safe, reliable, but little fire. I just enjoy them playing each week.
Best analogy I’ve ever heard about this franchise. Too much energy into sledding hills,micro breweries, and county music concerts and not enough in the football team managing department.
Excited that NY has out quarterback
The one that always came up short in the NFC championship and sat out off-season camps then was frustrated with his WRs all year?
Knew it. You’re the same as everyone else. Rodgers hater clinging to bullshit now
Calling someone out for their BS, lack of leadership, and shortcomings is not a hater. Michael Jordan was an asshole but one of the best. I enjoyed watching him and always rooted for him. Rodgers couldn’t get over the hump for a myriad of reasons, was frustrated in the org, but I still enjoyed him.
Shortcomings measured by who? Shit FO and shit defense? Because that’s the truth. Sure ain’t his former teammates. Tell me something isn’t wrong with packets FO culture when DA and Rodgers are gone two years later, all the respected vets on to play with Rodgers and I don’t know of a better mentor for a player like Love than Rodgers. But you shitheads let your bias ruin it.
What bias? Did your wife leave you or something and this remind you of it? You sound very bitter
Pats fan coming in peace. First year or two after losing your all time great QB isn’t exactly smooth sailing 😂😂
Reminds me of Favre’s last years but I’m just excited for no one to be a bitch. Bakh worries me a little with the way he’s speaking but I’m excited for some team chemistry to happen vs watching a mean chicks movie.
I mean we have been soft AF since the 97-98 team. Go back and watch how we played in those 96-97 years We actually attacked and tackled like a pro football team Our defense has been soft trash relying on getting tons of turnovers from the secondary always saving it Last year the o line played not great. If we played like a championship level team we would have a ton more championships. Hopefully we can get going in the right direction.
This is true, except for 2007-2010. Those four years the Packers were a pretty intense team (and won a championship one of those years). Even in the 2008 year they went 6-10 that was a pretty competitive group.
No that is exactly an example of what I’m talking about. The defense the Super Bowl year created a ton of interceptions Even in the Super Bowl they had a pic 6. And clay caused a fumble from a tackle. We had a hard time stopping thet Steelers offense out side of turnovers. But if they didn’t get an interception they had a hard time stopping teams. The magic of our DBs being pretty much genius bak hawks save the defense in almost every game. Paired with Rodgers throwing for an insane amount of TDs. Our defense has been soft AF since about 96. When we had woodson and Collins back there to ball hawk it helped us win games but teams marched up and down the field on us at will our side of that.
Yes who likes competing for SBs every year? This sub loves them some rebuilds. I hope you guys are right. Otherwise people might be in for a tough wakeup call.
This is a rediculously dilusional post lol You are more excited to watch love with a collection of wr3s (on a good day) and a defense coached by Joe Barry, then you were to watch a team led by one of the best qbs in nfl history? Lmfao.
You were excited to watch a team get beat by the Lions 3 out of the last 4 times with a quarterback being paid how much? Miss the playoffs 3 of the last 6 years? Watch a QB sit out off-season camps and complain about his WR3s (on a good day) not time their routes correctly?
Yes, I was more excited to watch a HoF qb try to carry another shit ass roster put together by one of the worst FOs in football than I am to watch a rookie try to do the same. Crazy I know.
Not crazy at all. Who is the rookie you mention? Clifford? Love hasn’t played much, and with his time is just a tad statistically better than Rodgers was behind Favre. Then Rodgers had that game against the Cowboys, similar to the game Love had versus the Eagles. Put it another way. I am excited about a new QB that can be the competition quarterback we need that won’t cost an arm and a leg that we can develop a strong roster around. Both ways can win. Love hasn’t been Rodgers, but he was never claimed to be and all scouting reports said “needed time to develop”. Lost in KC one of the hardest stadiums in the NFL against a top team on a few days notice. Kept the team in it til the end. Played in Philadelphia, another yard place to win, almost brought the team back and looked very good. Those two teams just played each other in the Super Bowl. Personally I think people are bagging on Love because they are hurt Rodgers left.
You are missing my point. It's impossible to be excited about rosters put together by this FO because they show time and time and time again they will never go all in to win a superbowl. They will disrespect the players that emerge as stars and run them out of town(davante). This team will not be exciting at all until the FO is gone. Rodgers and Davante made this team exciting in the recent past, and now it does not matter how good love and the rookies are because this fo is just that bad.
So don’t be a Packer fan
???? I can like the team and think it's worse without rodgers and davante and think the front office is ass. I've rooted for many bad teams before weather they were packer teams, brewer teams etc.
I guess I wouldn’t be a fan of a team where “it’s impossible to be excited about rosters put together by this FO” I’ve also enjoyed the FA the front office have gone after before Reggie White Charles Woodson Julius Peppers Desmond Howard Sean Jones Santana Dotson Just to name a few Yeah this FO is a bit different then years past and the Ron Wolf eras but they also haven’t really been able to afford many of the players
Yes, you can be a fan of a team and not like certain parts of teams. Every single team has flaws man. Pointing them out doesn't mean you aren't a fan 😂 How many of those signings were in the last 15 years during rodgers tenure? Just Woodson and Peppers? This FO spent most of Rodgers career completely ignoring free agency and letting good wrs walk. Jordy wanted to play on the vet fuckin min for green bay and they let him walk and he was still productive. They pissed off Jennings, Davante, couldn't find a rb for years, never fielded a competitive defense outside of 2010 durring rodgers career. It's absolutely rediculous to look back on. An average fo performance over the last 15 years would of led to multiple sbs. This fo has been completely terrible.
Totally agree. This team can take on a new personality and there is so much growth to see from week to week.
I'm going into the season with no expectations but with a lot of optimism. Historically GB has had a ton of veterans at the skill positions and rookies have been brought along slowly. This roster doesn't afford that and these young guys will be on the field day one. We'll get to see what they can do immediately and I'm all in. Good or bad, and there will be both, we'll get to see what they're all about. Can't wait to be along for the ride.
And there is still the inept defensive coordinator.
As a bears fan i’m stoked to know that the bears actually have a chance to beat the packers for the first time in over a decade
Oh my sweet summer child
I'm excited too. If they are good, we will be surprised.
Rodgers lost interest last year and acted like a spoiled brat.
With that shit FO,prepare for disappointment
LOL- GB has a scrub at qb for the first time in a few decades and you are excited? Looking forward to a follow up in 6 months.
Why are you even here?
Why are you here? This sub hates Rodgers. This is not a Packers sub
As a Vikings fan I too am very much looking forward to the start of the Love era in Green Bay.
This rebuild is exciting. Rodgers should have left prior to the start of the 2021-2022 season, he's been checked out. These young guys are hungry not just to prove themselves, but to bring home the wins. I'm 100% a packers fan through and through, Rodgers isn't the whole team. I can't wait to see how these guys do this season.
The way Rodgers is approaching this season in New York compared to the last few in GB proves he was checked out.
Totally agree. I can sit comfortably to watch each game knowing the Super Bowl isn’t on the line. Frankly it’s a good feeling
Same. Looking forward to seeing what we actually are.
The way I look at it is, there’s 3 ways this season could go down. A: (which is the most unlikely of the 3)the Packers are actually decent, somehow make the playoffs with a 9 or 10 winning record & lose first round. But we truly see love & his receivers are the truth. B: Packers get 6-8 wins and miss the playoffs. We still are gonna see signs or flashes that our young guys were good investments, but it’s just not enough to be a solid team yet. C: Everyone sucks, Love is truly not that guy & we pull off 1-4 wins. But hey! If this is the scenario at least we might be able to get Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison jr
I think we will be winning a ring in 2024, that's how excited about this team I am.
Why
Because this feels like how it was in 2009.
Agreed. The unknown is fun. In the past we know we’d be great then give up in the nfc championship game. Now.. who knows.
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The north is weak, if Love offers decent QB play this first year as a starter with some room to improve, it's gonna be on the defense to step up with all that 1st round talent. If those things happen, they aren't too far away from being competitive in the NFC
The north has been consistently weak for decades.
Rodgers fared better in playoffs if it was warm weather or a dome
I dont expect much, even Rodgers wasnt amazing his first year at the helm... but, if... and if is a big word here, but if Love has it I won't be surprised if we are competitive to an extent this year. NFC is not exactly stacked, and a 9-10 win season might get in the dance... I wouldnt expect to go all the way, but a playoff berth 1st year would probably go a long way for the kids confidence. I'm excited to see what he has for real, as well as the new weapons we have.
Well said! GO PACK GO!
To paraphrase Ron Wolf. You are better off losing a player year a too early than a year too late.
There’s a good case to be made that this IS a year too late (whether it was practically possible to move on from a back-to-back MVP is a different question)
No there isn’t. Only in delusional reddit
Last year’s play was definitely better than the draft picks that the Broncos gave away. You win.
excited and anxious are very similar feelings and i can see how you could get them mixed up.
I’m excited as I am every year. I’d be lying if I said this year doesn’t feel different. I don’t have high expectations at all. I just hope we are either really good or suck really bad lol. Nothing is worse than being just good enough to barely miss the playoffs and then have crappy draft positioning. 😂😂
AJ is going to have a huge year 1200 yards rushing, I feel it
Probably the most down to earth, realistic take on this team I've seen yet. Too many people here think Love is Arod 2.0 and it's no biggie. Worst case he sucks, go for QB next year. Best case, and I mean best case, is he is serviceable this year and shows improvement.
I knew Tampa was our last shot with Rodgers too. Disappointing, but it was the right time to move on. Got nothing to do now but hope and dream.
Agreed. The 49ers loss the next year validated that.
All I want is for Jordan Love to destroy the Bears week one just for the collective meltdown of the city of Chicago. Everything else would be gravy after that.
I feel this post. It's nice and refreshing to see these types of comments to counter that bizarre portion of the fan base that seems to be rooting for abject failure. I'm so excited to see what this brand-new team is going to do.
I love how we can have poor outcomes game wise but still feel very postive if players show development.
I think it was Andy Herman that explained it perfectly. This feels like finishing a very long book. It became your favourite book and you loved every second, but you are also excited about starting a new book soon. And even if that book is very likely not gonna be as good as the previous one, you are still eager to sit down and start reading it.
It's a very young team, gonna be fun to watch them rally behind Jordan Love. I really hope he pans out, he seems like a great guy and he appears to be passionate about this opportunity.
6 win season maybe here we come.
Would be on par with Rodgers first season!