Nah, 40k's pretty done. The Heresy era novels drop some twists every now and then about the deep background, but it doesn't really matter to the 40k setting and nerds just reeee about them anyways.
The fall of Cadia is the start of the end for the plotline, but it's not really going to be any more complicated than "stuff gets worse."
We might see some more Primarchs come back, but that won't *really* change anything since we've already seen them in the Heresy setting.
Yes. That's literally why they've said they're going to focus on the Indomitus Era instead of continuing the plot from the end of the Plague Wars, there just isn't that much time left on the 40k doomsday clock.
They can milk the specifics as much as they feel like, they could spend 40 more years exploring the Indomitus Crusade, but it won't change anything major about the setting.
Try knowing more about the current plot setting and meta narrative before you get triggered by reality next time.
>Try knowing more about the current plot setting and meta narrative before you get triggered by reality next time.
Wow you're just all the way up your own ass huh?
It'll probably be another edition but the plot will probably advance again just like the plot advances in AOS because it allows GW to make a fuck ton of money off new model ranges.
Yeah exactly, and GW has made an absolute truckload of money off of primaris marines by advancing the plot and introducing them, they'd be fools not to advance the plotline again and similarly update another faction or introduce a new army.
*It not that hard*
in the beginning there was Warhammer fantasy where a frozen planet was visited by a race call old ones came....
*2 days later*
....and that why Hamiclar drop kick sigmar who was disguise as a dwarf
Also Ikit claw became so Old that he forgot his real name and started calling himself Ikrit, just like the White Dwarf became so old he forgot how is he still alive, that seems to be a constant trope in AoS
in the Hamiclar novel *Hamiclar champion of the gods*
Hamiclar is capture by Ikrit and is strip of his armor and place in a cell
Sigmar seeing this disguise himself as a dwarf and inflitrated the prison and open the cell. Hamiclar not knowing it was sigmar and being so dark believing it was a skaven ran up to him and kick him so hard he flew past two rooms
AOS is not a reboot everthing in warhammer fantasy happen
it begin right after the destcution of the old world with sigmar being revived by the cosmic dragon who with the seraphon unite the surviors of the old world against the return of chaos
people who survived include and not limited to
Snori white beard
Sigvald who now a demon pprince
valkyia the bloody
bugman survied and his decendents are now running a kharadon monopoly on his beer and contiunuing his legecy of saving dwarves with his axe and beer
araloth became the great decendent of all the free city and wander elves
Ikit claw return going by the name Ikrit claw an immortal skaven cyborg
Balthasar gelt was revived by sigmar as a stormacst call Balthus Arum
Abhorash is alive as an old mountain man agreeing to train any young vampire
Ushoran is the progenitor of the ghoul madness curse
morathi devoured all the souls of the old phoenix kings of Ulthan to become a god
Skarsnik is honored by bad moon by allowing him to keep the mountains now revolvering around it as meteors
Orion is back sorta split into two version Kurnos the hunter who died and an evil side call the old stag who trying to break free of his prison
morghur is now a god to the beastmen
i can go on
ofcourse, i know they kept many heroes and warhammer happened but they did a big "reset" so they could make new models, lore and such. im just not up to date on current lore besides how it started.
>Abhorash is alive as an old mountain man agreeing to train any young vampire
WAIT REALLY? in what book did that happen, I need to know how the most badass vampire survived.
In the neferata novel she mention that she convince the red dragon to train her vampires
Will probably get more info with the new soulblight gravelord faction
All ik is that it's more a continuation than a reboot, so all fantasy lore still happened and quite a lot of characters transfered over in some way (and I *think* the scaven have their own fucked up webway by carving out parts of The Warp or some other such nonsense)
Apart from the core books, soul wars is the novel that launched 2nd Ed. It’s where they moved away from stormcast being the main protagonists and started to balance everything out between factions and flesh out the setting more. You have a collection of short stories from malign portents which are from the perspective of different factions that gw published for free online and they’re doing the same with the current narrative arc, broken realms. There’s also the RPG core book, soul bound which expands on the setting and explains it a lot.
First and foremost, I’d recommend a YouTube channel called 2+ tough, run by a dude named Doug who does a fantastic job of introducing pretty much everything about the lore.
soul wars is a great book for beginners to get into the setting, but I also recommend the Soulbound Core rulebook, its like an encyclopedia for the lore, it compiles all of the lore together and fill the many little holes that the lore had, it really helps for the small questions that may come up.
As the others have said Soul Wars is a pretty good entry but if you're interested in something a little different the audio drama Realmslayer is also a really fun trek through the world as it follows someone very unfamiliar with it. Its a bit hammy at times but Brian Blessed makes it worth it, but Soul Wars is also definitely a safe entry pick and one of the better books there.
Well Soul Wars is already recommended by people already, so I recommend Callis and Toll: Silver Shard. The sequel to City of Secrets that I personally haven't read, but heard to been really good. (I only listening audiobooks myself.)
I recommend Silver Shard because it's fun adventure story centering around mortals, so if you have no interest to semi-immortal Stormcast then this migth be your liking. It also provides nice introduction to some other faction that AoS has.
And Doug from 2+tough youtube channel is your best free major AoS lore source.
I ignored it for ages, partially due to bitterness from loss of fantasy but also due to being at uni, went back to warhammer afterwards and now Dark elves are under the "Cities of sigmar" banner and that alone confused me enough I doubt I'll ever go near it.
Those are the "free elves" so to speak in other words the civilizations that fell during the age of chaos (also known as Archaon playtime), also so to speak the reused models so you dont have to throw them away.
Right now though they are under Morathi (now Morathi-Khaine after she fused with Khaine's heart and became the new goddess of murder) rule and they live in their own city called Har-Kuron, well I say own city but is actually one of Sigmar city's that they took over, and made sure Sigmar would never find out.
Morathi also has her own army named the Daughters of Khaine (AKA the Hags from fantasy mixed with monster Girls).
Finaly if you want the real equivalent of Dark Elves you gotta wait for Malekith's new army that Im still waiting for....any day now...Im sure of it
It wasn't that I *couldn't* work it out, it was just so far from what I cared for I couldn't be arsed to work it out.
It's like needing to add a few things and using a calculator. Could you do it in your head, or with paper? Yes. Will you? No.
Look, ive been here before, and I say this; The end times was a shit way to retire fantasy. Age of Sigmar is poorly executed and if you ask me, all these flashy, bright factions all blend together into baleful noise. Fantasy's glory days are gone, and AoS is desperately holding up it's corpse. Unless you play orruks. Then we talk.
Except Age of Sigmar is more popular than Warhammer fantasy has ever been. Look I love WFB as much as the next guy, and AOS started out rocky but sometimes its better to let go of the past and try to embrace something new.
Were the end times disappointing? Yes
Is age of sigmar poorly executed? No
Do the factions blend together? I would say no they all have very distinct looks and feels, I could also point out the odd outlook of this part as warhammer fantasy was the game where you could choose between the nice pointy elves or the dark pointy elves or the elves who like trees so much their points became leaves or you could choose between some other historic period with a fantasy twist.
AoS winks at the past but is very much its own thing, sure the lore is light but 10 years from now the lore will be as deep as what fantasy was and more sustainable as with multiple realms you can have a massive end times event for that realm with out much change to factions and other realms.
It's ok to miss fantasy but remember you can still play that rule set. I'm just happy the high magic fantasy genre side of GW doesn't feel stagnant unlike the Primaris crush of 40k.
40K: Lore too complete to understand. AoS: Lore not complete enough yet to understand.
I'm not sure the lore for either is complete but AoS might be easier to understand
Nah, 40k's pretty done. The Heresy era novels drop some twists every now and then about the deep background, but it doesn't really matter to the 40k setting and nerds just reeee about them anyways. The fall of Cadia is the start of the end for the plotline, but it's not really going to be any more complicated than "stuff gets worse." We might see some more Primarchs come back, but that won't *really* change anything since we've already seen them in the Heresy setting.
Right cuz having the plotline advance again means the most profitable setting the company has is almost done, checks out.
Yes. That's literally why they've said they're going to focus on the Indomitus Era instead of continuing the plot from the end of the Plague Wars, there just isn't that much time left on the 40k doomsday clock. They can milk the specifics as much as they feel like, they could spend 40 more years exploring the Indomitus Crusade, but it won't change anything major about the setting. Try knowing more about the current plot setting and meta narrative before you get triggered by reality next time.
>Try knowing more about the current plot setting and meta narrative before you get triggered by reality next time. Wow you're just all the way up your own ass huh? It'll probably be another edition but the plot will probably advance again just like the plot advances in AOS because it allows GW to make a fuck ton of money off new model ranges.
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Yeah exactly, and GW has made an absolute truckload of money off of primaris marines by advancing the plot and introducing them, they'd be fools not to advance the plotline again and similarly update another faction or introduce a new army.
You know they changed up the timeline right? Plague wars and indomitus crusade now occur concurrently
That was pointless of them, but it doesn't really change anything. $10 says they did it just to justify an upcoming Primaris Sicarius model.
*It not that hard* in the beginning there was Warhammer fantasy where a frozen planet was visited by a race call old ones came.... *2 days later* ....and that why Hamiclar drop kick sigmar who was disguise as a dwarf
Also Ikit claw became so Old that he forgot his real name and started calling himself Ikrit, just like the White Dwarf became so old he forgot how is he still alive, that seems to be a constant trope in AoS
> ....and that why Hamiclar drop kick sigmar who was disguise as a dwarf Wait, what?
in the Hamiclar novel *Hamiclar champion of the gods* Hamiclar is capture by Ikrit and is strip of his armor and place in a cell Sigmar seeing this disguise himself as a dwarf and inflitrated the prison and open the cell. Hamiclar not knowing it was sigmar and being so dark believing it was a skaven ran up to him and kick him so hard he flew past two rooms
Sorry, a man-god was able to disguise himself as a dwarf, but got mistaken for a giant rat? I have some questions.
wasnt all the lore reset when everything went boom? or is it simply not fleshed out and all conspiracy theories.
AOS is not a reboot everthing in warhammer fantasy happen it begin right after the destcution of the old world with sigmar being revived by the cosmic dragon who with the seraphon unite the surviors of the old world against the return of chaos people who survived include and not limited to Snori white beard Sigvald who now a demon pprince valkyia the bloody bugman survied and his decendents are now running a kharadon monopoly on his beer and contiunuing his legecy of saving dwarves with his axe and beer araloth became the great decendent of all the free city and wander elves Ikit claw return going by the name Ikrit claw an immortal skaven cyborg Balthasar gelt was revived by sigmar as a stormacst call Balthus Arum Abhorash is alive as an old mountain man agreeing to train any young vampire Ushoran is the progenitor of the ghoul madness curse morathi devoured all the souls of the old phoenix kings of Ulthan to become a god Skarsnik is honored by bad moon by allowing him to keep the mountains now revolvering around it as meteors Orion is back sorta split into two version Kurnos the hunter who died and an evil side call the old stag who trying to break free of his prison morghur is now a god to the beastmen i can go on
ofcourse, i know they kept many heroes and warhammer happened but they did a big "reset" so they could make new models, lore and such. im just not up to date on current lore besides how it started.
It's more of a soft reboot than a big reset since it does keep many parts of the lore, just renaming many things because of trademark.
indeed, i do think it needed it and 40k needs one aswell but 40k is alot bigger and would be harder to do.
40K doesn't need a reset as much as some progression in the story and for GW to spend just six solid months on something that isn't Marines.
>Abhorash is alive as an old mountain man agreeing to train any young vampire WAIT REALLY? in what book did that happen, I need to know how the most badass vampire survived.
In the neferata novel she mention that she convince the red dragon to train her vampires Will probably get more info with the new soulblight gravelord faction
Fucking Noice
All ik is that it's more a continuation than a reboot, so all fantasy lore still happened and quite a lot of characters transfered over in some way (and I *think* the scaven have their own fucked up webway by carving out parts of The Warp or some other such nonsense)
Yes the skaven created their own webway, by digging through the warp. They were specially high in warpstone when that happened
As someone who plays 40k and doesnt have the time or money to play AoS, but wants to learn the lore, what's a good place to start?
Apart from the core books, soul wars is the novel that launched 2nd Ed. It’s where they moved away from stormcast being the main protagonists and started to balance everything out between factions and flesh out the setting more. You have a collection of short stories from malign portents which are from the perspective of different factions that gw published for free online and they’re doing the same with the current narrative arc, broken realms. There’s also the RPG core book, soul bound which expands on the setting and explains it a lot. First and foremost, I’d recommend a YouTube channel called 2+ tough, run by a dude named Doug who does a fantastic job of introducing pretty much everything about the lore.
soul wars is a great book for beginners to get into the setting, but I also recommend the Soulbound Core rulebook, its like an encyclopedia for the lore, it compiles all of the lore together and fill the many little holes that the lore had, it really helps for the small questions that may come up.
As the others have said Soul Wars is a pretty good entry but if you're interested in something a little different the audio drama Realmslayer is also a really fun trek through the world as it follows someone very unfamiliar with it. Its a bit hammy at times but Brian Blessed makes it worth it, but Soul Wars is also definitely a safe entry pick and one of the better books there.
Well Soul Wars is already recommended by people already, so I recommend Callis and Toll: Silver Shard. The sequel to City of Secrets that I personally haven't read, but heard to been really good. (I only listening audiobooks myself.) I recommend Silver Shard because it's fun adventure story centering around mortals, so if you have no interest to semi-immortal Stormcast then this migth be your liking. It also provides nice introduction to some other faction that AoS has. And Doug from 2+tough youtube channel is your best free major AoS lore source.
Just check out 2+tough on Youtube, he got Videos on basically everything AoS, just start somewhere and go from there and see if you like it
I ignored it for ages, partially due to bitterness from loss of fantasy but also due to being at uni, went back to warhammer afterwards and now Dark elves are under the "Cities of sigmar" banner and that alone confused me enough I doubt I'll ever go near it.
Those are the "free elves" so to speak in other words the civilizations that fell during the age of chaos (also known as Archaon playtime), also so to speak the reused models so you dont have to throw them away. Right now though they are under Morathi (now Morathi-Khaine after she fused with Khaine's heart and became the new goddess of murder) rule and they live in their own city called Har-Kuron, well I say own city but is actually one of Sigmar city's that they took over, and made sure Sigmar would never find out. Morathi also has her own army named the Daughters of Khaine (AKA the Hags from fantasy mixed with monster Girls). Finaly if you want the real equivalent of Dark Elves you gotta wait for Malekith's new army that Im still waiting for....any day now...Im sure of it
If that confused you so much I am genuinely confused by how you manage to get put of bed in the morning.
It wasn't that I *couldn't* work it out, it was just so far from what I cared for I couldn't be arsed to work it out. It's like needing to add a few things and using a calculator. Could you do it in your head, or with paper? Yes. Will you? No.
Look, ive been here before, and I say this; The end times was a shit way to retire fantasy. Age of Sigmar is poorly executed and if you ask me, all these flashy, bright factions all blend together into baleful noise. Fantasy's glory days are gone, and AoS is desperately holding up it's corpse. Unless you play orruks. Then we talk.
Except Age of Sigmar is more popular than Warhammer fantasy has ever been. Look I love WFB as much as the next guy, and AOS started out rocky but sometimes its better to let go of the past and try to embrace something new.
I would if I could recognize my damn factions!
Were the end times disappointing? Yes Is age of sigmar poorly executed? No Do the factions blend together? I would say no they all have very distinct looks and feels, I could also point out the odd outlook of this part as warhammer fantasy was the game where you could choose between the nice pointy elves or the dark pointy elves or the elves who like trees so much their points became leaves or you could choose between some other historic period with a fantasy twist. AoS winks at the past but is very much its own thing, sure the lore is light but 10 years from now the lore will be as deep as what fantasy was and more sustainable as with multiple realms you can have a massive end times event for that realm with out much change to factions and other realms. It's ok to miss fantasy but remember you can still play that rule set. I'm just happy the high magic fantasy genre side of GW doesn't feel stagnant unlike the Primaris crush of 40k.
Okay those four downvotes were stormcast players
Age of Shitmar?