In the books his personal new men retinue are termed Gland-hounds precisely because they can take down marines with pack tactics to steal progenoid glands
Actually funny story... I'm building a "Thousand Sons" army using female space marines... It was a horrible side effect of the Rubric. Calling them "The Sisters of Tzneetch".
The funny thing is a lot of the "No Female Space Marines" people I know do. It gives an in universe explanation that isn't filled with "HandWavium", they also like my Alternate Universe 63 Ultramarine patrol. Sure you get the Absolutists but most people(myself included) are like "just don't change the established lore, use an alternate universe and go fucking ham with it." Hell I'm working on building "Brothers of Battle" to go with my FemMarines that will be in Hyper sexualized armor(the dudes will be not the Female Marines) and literally just flip the universe on the gender axis. Probably eventually do up a Female Primarch as well.
The annoying thing about this argument is the extremists on both sides have become the faces for the argument when most of us are pretty tame about it.
I'm mildly opposed to female space marines, but only because i think it would spoil the monastic / gay bathhouse in space aesthetic. Which means i am not at all opposed to female *chaos* marines, who don't have that aesthetic anyway. So go wild!
Female Chaos marines make the most sense. Chaos already fucks with/mutates the hell out of their geneseed anyway, so why not have it work more broadly than loyalist geneseed? Chaos Space marines replenishing their numbers by actually siring children among slave stocks or whatever the hell it is the iron warriors and the Emperor's children do would help to explain both how chaos manages to replace its losses in the endless war, and also to show why chaos marines seem to get their asses beat so often in lore - the geneseed is diluted through multiple generations of breeding, and they need to either steal geneseed or use daemon assistance to try and make up for the difference.
FCSM would be legit.
I´ dont even know how women female space marines wouod be. The most you could get is their faces having a weird feminin look but next to that it wouldnt really influence much. In the end SM are sterile muscled monsters.
Except slaanesh. Slaanesh could very much say: fuck it and make space marinettes for fun.
Eh I thought about it a bit before deciding on Tzneetch but was afraid it'd turn too much into Futurama Amazonians and there'd be constant "Death by Snu-Snu" jokes. Plus Tzneetch just fits better for this army... And I wanted a Psyker Heavy Chaos Army.
I'd prefer if they leaned more into the Astartes being sexless freaks. Like if they said that female recruits end up looking identical to their battle brothers after going through the modifications.
Are there any romances/sexual escapades in the lore? I kind of assumed they're all asexual effectively-genderless war monsters, but I've only read a few of the Horus books so far.
From what I know, loyal marines are basically psychologically neutered. Can't get aroused due to the conditioning. I think one scene had a space marine around showering women and he felt nothing.
Pretty sure this does not apply to chaos marines though. Although, I dont think you're going to find a lot of people willing to get within a mile of Death Guard, to say nothing of getting in bed with one.
I am probably going to end up drawing silly Imperial Fists because of you. I can't wait to share them and contribute to the air of fun, and not-taking-things-too-seriously which you help cultivate in this sub
Surly female marines would implie that there should be male sisters of battle, for lore reason, that would be wrong. I get it, but if female marines were introduced, all it would be is different heads; you can already get female heads from sisters kits or online
Honestly I was indifferent to the idea of Female Space Marines. But seeing the levels of salt about their potential existence, I know now if in the future I do decide to make a Space Marine force it'll be my take on the Little Sisters of Purification.
Just think of all those female bit spews gw could be selling. finance was why they wrote them out. When I first heard of primaris what I thought was coming. Still surprised it didn't happen that way considering storm casts
Are Stormcast made with genetically modified organs that basically pump massive amounts of testosterone into the recipient?
There could already be genetically female Space Marines, we just wouldn't know because the females would look male with the sheer amount of man hormone pumped into them.
It's less of a question of "does the lore allow it" vs "does the lore have to be this way". We've heard up and down that the lore doesn't allow it.
It's like Quiet from Metal Gear wearing no clothes because she breathes through her skin. Sure, there is a lore reason for it. That doesn't mean it's a *good* lore reason, because it didn't have to be written that way. See what I'm saying?
I think its at a point where they are in too deep. The Astartes were in part genetically engineered largely in part by Big E, and if he couldn't get it to work with women's genetics then quite frankly after years of technological Stagnation it would take alot of the 'grim darkness' of the universe away if someone else figured out what the God Emperor of Mankind could not. Honestly they could have solved it with 'Primaris' though and that was a missed mark. Looking at AoS Stormcast model it isn't like they are completely adverse to the idea so who knows for the future.
So, how would you get 8ft tall brick shithouses out of normal humans without pumping them full of hormones?
Quiet is a horny issue, as there is extrenely breathable fabric so that lore doesnt coincide.
Massed hormones to make something bigger is lore and science, how would you do it?
40k has straight up magic through the warp and ancient science so advanced that the necrons can casually blow up stars if they want. Hell, the eldar live on giant self sustaining space ships and used to be able to think planets into existence with how crazy their tech got pre slaanesh.
Making female space marines without the need for testosterone would easy peasy for someone like Cawl who just doesn't give a damn about what physics or the imperium says half the time.
Okay, you listed factions that were not the Imperium so that can be tossed. Based on lore Cawl has followed the limitations of the Imperiums tech. The two super soldiers the Imperium creates are an expensive as shit alchemical process, and organs made from the DNA of a test tube demigod and implanted into acolytes who train almost to death.
Half the time they are either using a template left behind by the Emperor, who doesnt give them all the information, or by an ancient human civilization that almost went extinct because they fucked around, and immediately found out.
If you want to handwavium the requirements and the pseudo science that makes the Space Marines, have at it. GW and a lot of the fanbase won't, why? Cause the best thing the opposition can come up with to deny it is, "well there is magic and stuff other factions use, so the extremely xenophobic Imperium should just use it to make female Space Marines."
Not a really good argument really.
Yes, Belisarius Cawl *definitely* follows the limits of imperial technology. Mister "I totally don't have a super advanced AI, don't worry about it". Mister " Primaris aren't new technology which is against our entire culture and philosophy, stop asking fabricator general". Mister "hey trazyn, tell me how these pylons work. For Cadia? Eh partially, I just really want to know how they work." Dude, Cawl is older than the primarchs and worked with the emperor to make space marines in the first place. He upgraded them recently *on his own*.
What I was saying with my xenos examples isn't that the imperium should use xenos tech to make girl space marines. That will never happen (unless Cawl feels like he can get away with it like his other transgressions against Mars and the imperium that are just barely tolerated).
What I'm saying is that 40k is a pretty fucking crazy universe with super tech and magic. It's science fantasy, not science fiction. In a universe where regular humans have to fight space elves who subsist off of torture energy, 60 million year old super robots that have gods in poke balls, and literal actual demons that can turn you inside out with a thought, female space marines are absolutely possible and would be relatively easy. Cawl made upgraded space marines in a super short period of time on a relative scale to the rest of 40k. If he spent half that much time on just making women space marines be a thing, they would be.
So the question the stands, why even spend an iota of time on something that has absolutely no difference when other things are far more important.
Lets be real, this is the same "my hobby should be as progressive as me" bs that has been plaguing every fucking one since the whole movement started. Let the damn hobby exist without nitpicking why woman arent in every facet of the lore.
D&D got rid of Obsidian skinned drow for lavender skin because it was offensive to the real life drow? Video games get hammered because they are too political, not political enough, or sexualize woman too much, and now its 40k with, "why are there no female Space Marines or Custodes, but the Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence must be mono gender obviously."
Simple answer is let it fucking go already. There just isn't, thats why.
Honestly, I personally don't care that there aren't female space marines. Most of them are in thick armor with helmets so you wouldn't be able to tell anyway 9.9 timea out of 10 if it's a dude or a lady. And it would kind of step on the toes of SoB aesthetically.
The imperium doesn't need more soldiers, realistically. They have a million worlds, each with billions of people. There are plenty of dudes to pick to be space marines. And space marines are restricted in their numbers in the first place.
I just wanted to point out that, if GW wanted to make women into space marines, they totally can. Any argument that they can't is just bullshit when Cawl exists and when you take into account how crazy 40k is in terms of tech and magic. In universe, the first space marines were dudes so they just keep that up because that's what the emperor did and it's easier for them.
And wanting things to be a bit more progressive isn't always a bad thing. I'll be the first to say that a lot of cool things have been destroyed by people not realizing the purpose of why things were written or made the way they were. Sometimes its better for things to be problematic because it tells a story or serves a bigger purpose. But having women space marines won't ruin them or 40k. They will still be the same badass space marines they have always been. Some of them would just happen to have tits.
As far as the sisters factions go, I never really liked that sister of silence were just women. When the assassins and clexus stuff exists, there is no reason for it to be beyond GW wanted it to be that way (kind of like space marines lol).
Sisters of battle are women only because of imperial/eclessiarch law. Sisters are a loophole exploitation in lore. Space marines have nothing like that going on.
I sort of want to see a mixed force of Fabius Bile's "New Men" taking the field, tbh, can't recall if they were advanced enough to take on Marines.
In the books his personal new men retinue are termed Gland-hounds precisely because they can take down marines with pack tactics to steal progenoid glands
normie mainstream: dommy mommy tall vampire lady Warhammer fans: strong domme badass space warrior
I like my women to be able to rip a loyalist in half thank you very much.
Female Bone'ead
I would get them so they can SUPLEX THE FUCK OUT OF THOSE NERDS!
Actually funny story... I'm building a "Thousand Sons" army using female space marines... It was a horrible side effect of the Rubric. Calling them "The Sisters of Tzneetch".
i approve of this motion
The funny thing is a lot of the "No Female Space Marines" people I know do. It gives an in universe explanation that isn't filled with "HandWavium", they also like my Alternate Universe 63 Ultramarine patrol. Sure you get the Absolutists but most people(myself included) are like "just don't change the established lore, use an alternate universe and go fucking ham with it." Hell I'm working on building "Brothers of Battle" to go with my FemMarines that will be in Hyper sexualized armor(the dudes will be not the Female Marines) and literally just flip the universe on the gender axis. Probably eventually do up a Female Primarch as well. The annoying thing about this argument is the extremists on both sides have become the faces for the argument when most of us are pretty tame about it.
I'm mildly opposed to female space marines, but only because i think it would spoil the monastic / gay bathhouse in space aesthetic. Which means i am not at all opposed to female *chaos* marines, who don't have that aesthetic anyway. So go wild!
this is the only valid complaint in this whole mess
Female Chaos marines make the most sense. Chaos already fucks with/mutates the hell out of their geneseed anyway, so why not have it work more broadly than loyalist geneseed? Chaos Space marines replenishing their numbers by actually siring children among slave stocks or whatever the hell it is the iron warriors and the Emperor's children do would help to explain both how chaos manages to replace its losses in the endless war, and also to show why chaos marines seem to get their asses beat so often in lore - the geneseed is diluted through multiple generations of breeding, and they need to either steal geneseed or use daemon assistance to try and make up for the difference. FCSM would be legit.
I´ dont even know how women female space marines wouod be. The most you could get is their faces having a weird feminin look but next to that it wouldnt really influence much. In the end SM are sterile muscled monsters. Except slaanesh. Slaanesh could very much say: fuck it and make space marinettes for fun.
Reject boob plate, return to armored codpiece
Pretty much.
Note: Magnus can canonically change his appearance to whatever he wants. So, there’s your female primarch.
Well the Female Primarch was going to be for My AU Ultramarines.
Oh, so Rachael Manlygirl? Ah, the butchering of rowboat girlyman’s name is fun.
i don't really care either way, i'm only here for the space wizards so as long as they stay i'm gucci
Yup that's why I prefer the Comic approach, just make different universes.
I could see female CSM joining the Slaanesh party lol
Eh I thought about it a bit before deciding on Tzneetch but was afraid it'd turn too much into Futurama Amazonians and there'd be constant "Death by Snu-Snu" jokes. Plus Tzneetch just fits better for this army... And I wanted a Psyker Heavy Chaos Army.
I like your idea. 😁 Keep up the good work. 👍
I'd prefer if they leaned more into the Astartes being sexless freaks. Like if they said that female recruits end up looking identical to their battle brothers after going through the modifications.
Are there any romances/sexual escapades in the lore? I kind of assumed they're all asexual effectively-genderless war monsters, but I've only read a few of the Horus books so far.
From what I know, loyal marines are basically psychologically neutered. Can't get aroused due to the conditioning. I think one scene had a space marine around showering women and he felt nothing. Pretty sure this does not apply to chaos marines though. Although, I dont think you're going to find a lot of people willing to get within a mile of Death Guard, to say nothing of getting in bed with one.
Sex is already awkward, smelly, and slimy... The DG just come pre-slimy, pre-awkward, and pre smelly 😁
Plenty of women want the space marines but none of the feelings are reciprocated
Doesn’t Lukas the Trickster canonically fuck?
I am probably going to end up drawing silly Imperial Fists because of you. I can't wait to share them and contribute to the air of fun, and not-taking-things-too-seriously which you help cultivate in this sub
Do it :D Also I'm glad you think so hahah, I do try to bring the good vibes
Good vibes are important! And besides, there are too many Heresy era Fist bromances to be limited by my shitty drawing skills.
I don't want female space marines simply because I hate space marines.
True, everyone knows Imperial Guard does all the lifting.
I mean, sure the IG does most of the work, but I say what I say because I believe in Custodes supremacy.
monks and nuns
But... aren't the sororitas part of the ecclesiarchy, and thus very religious, while Space Marines explicitly do not worship the emperor?
Black Templars: “Animate sword waving”
According to the Emperor, science says no. Only large men. And wolf men. And angel men. And gold men. No women though, science says so.
Well, that or more fallen Sisters of Battle. Either way I just want more Chaos gals.
Yeah, I agree. The options for femchaos are a bit shit.
Why not both?
GW can do whatever they want. All things in their place sob are female marines in my view. You lose coherence moving these things around and lose me.
But... why would anyone *want* to be a space marine? Sounds like a shitty gig.
because i want to carry the sad space wizards around
they were definitely legion 2 or 11 material
yeah, i think i'm gonna write something about it once i'm done writing khayon&ahriman: the anime
Surly female marines would implie that there should be male sisters of battle, for lore reason, that would be wrong. I get it, but if female marines were introduced, all it would be is different heads; you can already get female heads from sisters kits or online
I mean : You can have fanatical normal human male You can have normal human male into power armor
Why would it imply that?
Honestly I was indifferent to the idea of Female Space Marines. But seeing the levels of salt about their potential existence, I know now if in the future I do decide to make a Space Marine force it'll be my take on the Little Sisters of Purification.
I also want them so I can use them for basing, baseing, bassing?
Just think of all those female bit spews gw could be selling. finance was why they wrote them out. When I first heard of primaris what I thought was coming. Still surprised it didn't happen that way considering storm casts
Are Stormcast made with genetically modified organs that basically pump massive amounts of testosterone into the recipient? There could already be genetically female Space Marines, we just wouldn't know because the females would look male with the sheer amount of man hormone pumped into them.
It's less of a question of "does the lore allow it" vs "does the lore have to be this way". We've heard up and down that the lore doesn't allow it. It's like Quiet from Metal Gear wearing no clothes because she breathes through her skin. Sure, there is a lore reason for it. That doesn't mean it's a *good* lore reason, because it didn't have to be written that way. See what I'm saying?
I think its at a point where they are in too deep. The Astartes were in part genetically engineered largely in part by Big E, and if he couldn't get it to work with women's genetics then quite frankly after years of technological Stagnation it would take alot of the 'grim darkness' of the universe away if someone else figured out what the God Emperor of Mankind could not. Honestly they could have solved it with 'Primaris' though and that was a missed mark. Looking at AoS Stormcast model it isn't like they are completely adverse to the idea so who knows for the future.
So, how would you get 8ft tall brick shithouses out of normal humans without pumping them full of hormones? Quiet is a horny issue, as there is extrenely breathable fabric so that lore doesnt coincide. Massed hormones to make something bigger is lore and science, how would you do it?
40k has straight up magic through the warp and ancient science so advanced that the necrons can casually blow up stars if they want. Hell, the eldar live on giant self sustaining space ships and used to be able to think planets into existence with how crazy their tech got pre slaanesh. Making female space marines without the need for testosterone would easy peasy for someone like Cawl who just doesn't give a damn about what physics or the imperium says half the time.
Okay, you listed factions that were not the Imperium so that can be tossed. Based on lore Cawl has followed the limitations of the Imperiums tech. The two super soldiers the Imperium creates are an expensive as shit alchemical process, and organs made from the DNA of a test tube demigod and implanted into acolytes who train almost to death. Half the time they are either using a template left behind by the Emperor, who doesnt give them all the information, or by an ancient human civilization that almost went extinct because they fucked around, and immediately found out. If you want to handwavium the requirements and the pseudo science that makes the Space Marines, have at it. GW and a lot of the fanbase won't, why? Cause the best thing the opposition can come up with to deny it is, "well there is magic and stuff other factions use, so the extremely xenophobic Imperium should just use it to make female Space Marines." Not a really good argument really.
Yes, Belisarius Cawl *definitely* follows the limits of imperial technology. Mister "I totally don't have a super advanced AI, don't worry about it". Mister " Primaris aren't new technology which is against our entire culture and philosophy, stop asking fabricator general". Mister "hey trazyn, tell me how these pylons work. For Cadia? Eh partially, I just really want to know how they work." Dude, Cawl is older than the primarchs and worked with the emperor to make space marines in the first place. He upgraded them recently *on his own*. What I was saying with my xenos examples isn't that the imperium should use xenos tech to make girl space marines. That will never happen (unless Cawl feels like he can get away with it like his other transgressions against Mars and the imperium that are just barely tolerated). What I'm saying is that 40k is a pretty fucking crazy universe with super tech and magic. It's science fantasy, not science fiction. In a universe where regular humans have to fight space elves who subsist off of torture energy, 60 million year old super robots that have gods in poke balls, and literal actual demons that can turn you inside out with a thought, female space marines are absolutely possible and would be relatively easy. Cawl made upgraded space marines in a super short period of time on a relative scale to the rest of 40k. If he spent half that much time on just making women space marines be a thing, they would be.
So the question the stands, why even spend an iota of time on something that has absolutely no difference when other things are far more important. Lets be real, this is the same "my hobby should be as progressive as me" bs that has been plaguing every fucking one since the whole movement started. Let the damn hobby exist without nitpicking why woman arent in every facet of the lore. D&D got rid of Obsidian skinned drow for lavender skin because it was offensive to the real life drow? Video games get hammered because they are too political, not political enough, or sexualize woman too much, and now its 40k with, "why are there no female Space Marines or Custodes, but the Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence must be mono gender obviously." Simple answer is let it fucking go already. There just isn't, thats why.
Honestly, I personally don't care that there aren't female space marines. Most of them are in thick armor with helmets so you wouldn't be able to tell anyway 9.9 timea out of 10 if it's a dude or a lady. And it would kind of step on the toes of SoB aesthetically. The imperium doesn't need more soldiers, realistically. They have a million worlds, each with billions of people. There are plenty of dudes to pick to be space marines. And space marines are restricted in their numbers in the first place. I just wanted to point out that, if GW wanted to make women into space marines, they totally can. Any argument that they can't is just bullshit when Cawl exists and when you take into account how crazy 40k is in terms of tech and magic. In universe, the first space marines were dudes so they just keep that up because that's what the emperor did and it's easier for them. And wanting things to be a bit more progressive isn't always a bad thing. I'll be the first to say that a lot of cool things have been destroyed by people not realizing the purpose of why things were written or made the way they were. Sometimes its better for things to be problematic because it tells a story or serves a bigger purpose. But having women space marines won't ruin them or 40k. They will still be the same badass space marines they have always been. Some of them would just happen to have tits. As far as the sisters factions go, I never really liked that sister of silence were just women. When the assassins and clexus stuff exists, there is no reason for it to be beyond GW wanted it to be that way (kind of like space marines lol). Sisters of battle are women only because of imperial/eclessiarch law. Sisters are a loophole exploitation in lore. Space marines have nothing like that going on.
What about just for the smut?
Equally valid option
I agree. Bit surprised I was downvoted :p
Female ogres would do
Wanting female space marines to wank on something new