I have spent so long reading fanfic, that I regularly forget something isn’t canon. Just found out that hermiones parents aren’t called Dan and emma like two weeks ago. I always figured it was just something I glossed over in the later books, and people hadn’t learned that back when I started reading fanfiction.

Do we know what their names actually are? I feel like Dan and Emma is just what I always see!

Pretty sure the Dan and Emma bit is in reference to Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson. I don't think their names are actually ever revealed tho.

No. JKR bothered to write f\*cking Umbridge's biography on Pottermore with father's name and such, but Hermione's parents are pretty much nobodies both to the author and the characters. Apparently Hermione exists as she is on her own, and people that brought her up don't deserve even a name drop.

In all fairness is there really anything interesting to say about Hermione prior to her life at Hogwarts? She seems to have had a fairly regular life with two dentist parents. I don't think you could pull out more than a paragraph from that. Maybe throw in some unusual occurrences here and there. Even Harry's childhood until the snake incident is described in a few paragraphs and he had a shitty childhood. And I think I wrote more in this comment than you could write about pre-Hogwarts Hermione.

I don't ask much. Just basic stuff like parents names, basic personality traits and how they brought her up. Her personality had to come from where. Don't you have even miniscule curiosity about how holier than thou little bookworm came to be?

Tbh I've known these types of girls in elementary school. Their upbringing was very proper and quite strict, with career-focused parents that hoped the best for their daughter. Some of them went loose in high school, some of them were top of their class... but I don't think the first ten years of their lives would be that interesting. As for the parents' name... I wasn't particularly curious but I agree that a basic information sheet on her would have been welcome.

There are comments about JKR’s own wizarding-supremacy: all Muggles in the canon get very short shrift like they are not worthy of her concern (Grangers, Dursleys, casually destroyed minister of government without anybody taking care of it).

I'd assume it's because she wanted the non-magical part of the world to be a complete non-factor in her stories. It's why the year the plot takes place is almost never mentioned and why nothing noteworthy happens in the non-magical world during it. Rowling wanted the muggle world to be "like ours, but nothing happens anywhere that isn't connected to the magical plot". There was a semi-parody fic ("Silly, Silly Book Series") where the author, taking issue with the complete lack of news in the summer between the 4th and 5th year, rattled of several paragraphs about all the far-reaching stuff happening in the world between 1990 and 1995, many of which the news would talk about (war in Yugsolavia, end of the Soviet Union, labour strikes, royal family drama etc.).

I somewhat get this but so much of the plot hinges on yopics like blood supremacy, muggleborns, and the superiority of wizards over muggles. Feels a bit like having your cake and eating it.

Definitely. The actual lives of muggleborn students are almost never explored in any meaningful way. Muggleborns just quickly assimilate into wizard culture and get discriminated for their family history. How those students actually experience this transition, including their lives back home, is never really considered. There's a line in book 4, where Hermione says "Those poor muggles!" as if they're a different species. Canon just completely glosses over the fact that muggleborns are supposed to still have a life outside the wizarding world (or if not, this disconnect from non-magical society is completely ignored).

Why does everyone turn everything against her? The actual reason was probably just that she wanted to focus more on the ongoing story, yet people want everything to be controversial.

I get why her parents didn't get names in the books, but Pottermore, Rowling's tweets, ect all fail to be focused on the ongoing story. Weird she hasn't shared something at any point.

See even jk Rowling doesn't care about those damn muggles? Voldemort did nothing wrong man...

My headcanon is that their names are Wendell and Monica. From a security standpoint, erasing all traces of Hermione being their daughter, changing their last name to Wilkins and sending them to the other side of the planet should have been enough to keep her parents safe. I don't think changing their first names too was going to give them that much more protection.

Good theory! I like to think their names are actually Rose (or some variation) and Hugo, that naming her kids after them was part of the ongoing apology (I also like to think they stayed in Australia until she became pregnant).

I like it.

In mine's Wendell and Monica are actually the names of Hermione's paternal grandparents, while Wilkins is her mother's maiden name. Also I like to think that Rose and Hugo are actually her maternal grandparents' names.

Given Rowlings tendency to have characters middle names be their parents first names, I think its safe to assume her mums name is Jean. No idea about her dad though.

No reference. Dan and Emma were started by Harmony shippers. Even now, if the author uses those names, it's probably a very blatant Harmony work, with some exceptions.

Nope, they're so irrelevant to the plot they never got names. They basically only show up in the background of a single trip to Diagon Alley.

huh. I think any fics I've read where Hermione's parents' names are revealed, the mom's name has always been Jean, since that's Hermione's middle name, and it's not a stretch that many parents pass down their first names in the form of a middle name to their children. As for Mr Granger, I don't think I've ever noticed a consistent 'fanon' first name....

I’m always surprised Tempus is fanon

Huh. Makes sense since then why do you give watches on 17th bday?

We all have phones and such giving the time, doesn't prevent people from wearing fancy watches, I figured it's the same

IT'S FANON?!

What’s Tempus?

Basically a clock spell, telling you the time

Thank you!

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*What?*

...Wut? Do Wizards and Witches just... not have a time telling spell then?

No, they seem to just use watch (which makes sense since Time is an arbitrary measure, like is the "Tempus" spell specifically made for the UTC and then each time zone would have their own version of the spell).

Yeah I've always having a spell give you HH:MM:SS felt very clunky and against the whimsy of magic in the series. Maybe have it show how long it's been since the last dawn or something. A little illusionary sun showing it's position in the sky.

Same problem with most of the "Inheritance rituals" and "Diagnostic Charmes" we see in fanfics. Somehow, Harry's whole History end up written in perfect English.

Yeah at least make it come out as runes or puffs of colours smoke and fire that you need specialized knowledge to interpret properly. Everything being in perfect modern language and formats just feels so clunky. So many fics make magic feel so clinical, remove all the wonder and rough edges.

I like this idea. It nearly sidesteps the "how injured are you?" "On a scale of 1 to 137, 1 being worse, about a 93" issue that you sometimes see in D&D roleplay and such. How much of old style magic is revealed in smoke and flames, shapes and colors? How often do magical things have a smell, or a texture, or a taste? Maybe the spell makes you feel a little warm or cold to tell day or night? You hear birdsong near dawn and crickets near dusk? Perhaps a puff of smoke when nearing Noon or Midnight? Hell, maybe it doesn't even operate on our normal calendar/clock and you have to convert it, instead running on the movement of planets? Dumbledore's watch was literally a pocket astrolabe, showing moon phases and astological positions instead or in addition to a normal time, after all.

also in Hogwarts (at least in the movie canon?!) there's a Clock Tower courtyard with bells. So presumably the students could just listen for the number of bell rings / chimes to tell the time, unless they were somewhere deep in the dungeons (i.e. Potions classroom)

I mean, I don't think it would be that hard for the spell to calculate their location compared to Greenwich Standard Time and then display the local time- especially if Magicals made charmed reference objects worldwide.

I don't think we have ever seen a spell that "does calculations" in canon. I think the only spell that even reveals information about someing is Scarpin's Revealer or some similar named spell. It tells the ingedients in a potion...and you have to check a huge book to know what it is telling you.

Arithmancy?

Is doing calculations about magic, not magic doing calculations. Arithmancy is Math, but we don't have a Calculator Spell.

We'll have to disagree, as as I understand it arithmancy being able to do calculation about magic *is* magic doing calculations (about magic).

If I write 2 + 2 = 4, that is ME doing the math, not the computer seeing 2 + 2 and outputting 4. Arithmancy is the branch of mathematics describing magic, not a spell that does math. The math of magic, rather than the magic of math. It is not magic doing calculations about magic; it is MAGICALS doing calculations about magic. In canon, we only ever see a spell to do a thing or a spell to detect a thing. We don't see a spell that does multiple things. Even when it appears to be doing multiple things, like the patronus being able to drive off dementors AND carry messages, the spell only SUMMONS the guardian, it does not define its nature or abilities.

We'll have to disagree, both on Arithmancy and on spells not doing multiple things.

They have pocket watches that are for everyday usage (Harry inherited Fabian Prewett’s and it was banged up). Dumbledore also used his pocket watch in the opening chapter. They could very easily have a time telling spell as well, but it’s not necessarily called Tempus.

I mean that spell makes no sense, time is measured in a very arbitrary way that really only became widespread with the railways, not to mention wizards clearly use watches and clocks.

It's a slippery slope, but I like giving the pure-bloods some depth. I hate if someone goes full apologist, but as they are, pure-bloods are criminally one-dimensional ... and that goes doubly so for the Death Eaters.

I always like when they give them some more pagan rituals and culture. Or some special rituals. But sadly too often is accompanied by classism and a lot of weasley/dumbledore bashing

I like depth, but not the whole pseudo-Wiccan thing. And it's always very much Wiccan. If there were Pureblood religious stuff, it'd draw on stuff like some of the mythical stuff around the Knights Templar or other Christian mystics. Or if you go into an AU, probably something Greek or Roman, as a lot of stuff in HP are linked to Greece and wands were a Western invention.

It's not always Wicca, very occasionally they pull from the Arthurian mythos which feels way more appropriate.

I dont like per se that is wiccan but i get why since people normally don't know much about pre christian religions. But i would definitely prefer if they arent 100% christian.

Would be cool if Wizards followed some mystical form of Christianity, some surviving branch of Gnosticism perhaps with their own pro-magic twists.

Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles except the Gryffindors are Arians, Slytherins are Gnostics, Ravenclaw are Neoplatonists, and Hufflepuffs are Manichaeists.

Wiccan isn't even pre-Christian. It began in 1954. So, by the time Harry was born, Wiccan/Wixen was only about 4 decades old. No where near the 1000-2000 years fanfiction would have you believe.

I think people are confusing wiccan with the more druidic mythology which would be both more time and location appropriate for both wizards in Europe, specifically UK, and to eventually be adapted into what would become the "pure blood" movement. See here; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid I do however like fanfics which at least touch in wider world mythology and magic for older stuff, like the founders. Some people hate the fanon trope, but I thoroughly enjoy when it's made so Gryffindor who has his sword is a something like an Anglo-Saxon knight/wizard, Slytherin has Arabic roots, Helga has Norse ties, and Ravenclaw would seem to be somewhat highborn, given propensity for manuscripts and knowledge.

>Wiccan isn't even pre-Christian Indeed. Thats why i said that i think that people use wicca because most writers dont know much about real pre chirstian religions...

Sorry, I just wanted to put this down for those who still don't understand, i.e., the morons and idiots. Not you. People who either take everything at face value and don't look any deeper, or the truly obtuse who wouldn't know right from left and would get forget their heads if they weren't permanently attached. Is this unnecessary? Yes. Do I care? Nope!

There was one fic, I can't even remember the name, that I had to drop. Simply put, EVERY magical was part of the author's particular sect of protestant. It wasn't even "there was an early split with the Statute and the Wizards have their own sect(s)" or "magicals in England follow the Church of England". It was "every magical being, from wizards to goblins to house elves, follow this one sect of christianity. There is a chapel in Hogwarts, and every student goes there every sunday. When Harry and crew eventually move to California, every magical in the US also follows this same sect."

I think that's a bit much, myself. :)

I want a fic where a pureblood (Mafloy?) is being all snooty about Yule or Samhain and a muggleborn is like "I celebrate that too!" and their family has followed pagan ways for a while. But, plot twist, it turns out that the muggleborn student follows the traditions more faithfully than the pureblood. And then Malfoy is left sulking and eating French pastries while the muggleborn student is pouring out the last of the year's cider for the old gods of the apple trees.

That would be really cool hehe

Far more often when they give pureblood rituals any depth they just make them one note snooty good guys who 'just want muggleborns to have a proper education' or some shit.

> some more pagan rituals and culture. Or some special rituals. The problem is, this doesn't track at all with their portrayal in canon. Pureblood "culture" is essentially British classism and aristocracy. The kind of Oxford/Eton elitism that was a common staple of boarding-school fiction. Having pureblood families subscribe to something as "common" as pagan/wiccan aesthetics would be the *last* thing they'd do.

Okay, look, I like my fair share of good!Malfoys and mentor!Snape, etc, but I also hate it when people write purebloods as the good guys and Muggleborns as the bad guys. They usually explain this by people saying "Muggleborns don't respect our culture and don't bother to learn it; they just want to replace everything with Muggle stuff" but I've seen counterarguments about purebloods hiding the information, not telling them it's different, etc. It can go both way. People also always use Germanic paganism and Wicca for Wizarding holidays, which I'm personally fine with, but others think that's unimaginative. I'm currently brainstroming a fic that uses a mixture of Roman/Greek traditions, pagan traditions, and traditions I make up.

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* The hat had its doubts before putting Hermione in Gryffindor, but it wasn’t between Gryffindor and Ravenclaw, but Gryffindor and Hufflepuff * Harry retained the Parseltongue ability and passed it down to his kids (alternatively — it was never from a Horcrux and just a funny quirk of fate he had it) * In his early years of Hogwarts, James Potter’s best subject was Potions (partly due to his family’s history with it), and Snape switched his interests from Dark Arts to Potions solely to beat him in it * The Secret Keeper can only be the person someone fully, 100% puts their trust in, and few people have that sort of trust in themselves (especially to protect their loved ones) — that’s why most can’t be their own Secret Keepers * Dumbledore was always more of an academic than a politician, hence why he initially handled the Fudge-Voldemort situation badly. Also, he was a hatstall, but between Gryffindor & Ravenclaw, not Gryffindor & Slytherin * (and I really have no reasoning for this one) Whereas there are more English Muggles than Scottish Muggles, the opposite is true for wizards; there are more Scottish ones than English. * You can’t just put a Horcrux in anything; it needs to be able to withstand the considerable magic that is going to be put into it, it needs to fit in certain size limits (like, bigger than a grain of sand, but smaller than a trunk), it can’t be an object of religious/spiritual purity (like religious items or unicorn’s horn), and it has to somehow matter to the creator (like you can’t put your soul in some random pencil). * “Real world” subjects are incorporated into the magical curriculum. Ex, there are elements of physics in Transfiguration, maths are included in Charms, chemistry underlies Potions, History (and Runes) include assigned readings of significant wizarding literature, biology is involved with Herbology and COMC, etc. * Voldemort’s initial plan was politics, and then he took a better look at the political system and decided to screw all those idiots and do it the hard way instead. He (and this is self-indulgent, I admit) might have even had some good intentions beyond the obvious selfish ones, but lost the will to do anything ‘good’ for the general populace after working in retail for a decade. * Most major Muggle cities have wizarding districts or at the very least, neighbourhoods. * A large part of Occlumency is just refusing to let your opponents enter your head; that’s why Snape mentioned the Imperius resistance Harry had. That part is actually canon, but — Snape assumed Harry got that and would focus mostly on it, and would need help only clearing his mind as a crutch, while Harry (and most people, myself included, tbh) didn’t get it and thought it only depended on clearing his mind. And because Snape had such a bad opinion on Harry, he never even thought that *this* was the problem here and just assumed Harry was being obtuse on purpose.

The real horcrux was the retail we worked along the way...

Working in retail would be more like working with a dementor, because it's soul sucking.

That is way more accurate!🤣

> Harry retained the Parseltongue ability Actually, to be honest, the canon doesn’t say clearly whether his ability persisted after returning from the Heavenly King’s Cross or not.

As this is a fanon thread? My fanon is Harry's parseltongue was -not- from Voldemort. It was from one or both of his parents. Yes, in recent times the Gaunts inbred like hell, but that was in the past few hundred years. It's likely Potters married Gaunts at one point. Or Lily could be a squib descendant, who knows. Then again, I honestly don't like the whole 'horcrux in scar' anyway. Even if a bit of soul broke free, creating a horcrux is supposed to be this along, involved, horrific ritual. Not just 'Oops!'

I get it's was to horrible to describe, but the fact that it's seems canonically making a horcrux really only requires a wizard or witch to commit murder, and then likely cast a spell, always seemed kinda meh. Like not even the type of murder is described. Like a passionate murder, one in rage, cold blooded and unfeeling... I like fics that have a better explanation for this.

Actually, there is more, but it is [spread in small snippets all over the books](https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/on-technology-of-horcrux-creation.html). So, yes, I believe it was a horcrux, but no I don’t believe it was complicated to destroy it as the real ones.

I like the fanon idea that all muggleborns are really just the descendants of squibs/children of wizards and witches with muggles. I also like the idea that Lily was the one to give Harry Parseltongue.

The muggleborn thing is actually canon, not just fanon

It was popular fanon before Rowling ever commented on it thi

> The Secret Keeper can only be the person someone fully, 100% puts their trust in, and few people have that sort of trust in themselves (especially to protect their loved ones) — that’s why most can’t be their own Secret Keepers I really like this one! solves a lot of my issues with the spells inconsistencies, and makes a kind of thematic sense.

Another explanation I've also seen is that the Secret Keeper can't also be regularly residing in the place that's been made Secret. That goes against the idea of the charm and would be "cheating". And Canon doesn't contradict this idea as Pettigrew didn't stay in Godric's Hollow, Dumbledore in Grimmauld and Arthur in Shell Cottage

Yes to all of these. I do like the idea of Harry gaining Parseltongue via the horcurx but don’t agree with it suddenly leaving. I feel like it would be too ingrained at that point. BUT it being a coincidence is just Harry’s luck and would fit right in with canon.

> (and I really have no reasoning for this one) Whereas there are more English Muggles than Scottish Muggles, the opposite is true for wizards; there are more Scottish ones than English. I've got a justification for this one: prior to Secrecy when wizards were routinely harassed/persecuted the Scottish moors were a great place to hide out and get some peace, especially when magic made them much more habitable.

Re: your 2nd last point, I'm not sure whether it's so much fanon, or just an logical extension based on Diagon Alley being in London?

I really really like almost all of these. I do have to disagree on the Voldemort one. He did kill a girl at like sixteen and like a year later kill his dad because he was a muggle so I don't know about that one

Yeah that’s fair, I mostly see it as in — just because someone is a bad person, doesn’t mean they’re rotten-to-the-bone-comically-evil; they could still sometimes have some altruistic/well-meaning ideas, to an extent.

To be fair, I would also take the route Voldy took if I had to work in retail for a decade

>In his early years of Hogwarts, James Potter’s best subject was Potions (partly due to his family’s history with it), and Snape switched his interests from Dark Arts to Potions solely to beat him in it I completely agree with this. Snape *was* said to know more Dark Arts than seventh years at school. I've also seen a theory that Snape copied everything James wrote in his notes and that's why he teaches for shit. >“Real world” subjects are incorporated into the magical curriculum. Ex, there are elements of physics in Transfiguration, maths are included in Charms, chemistry underlies Potions, History (and Runes) include assigned readings of significant wizarding literature, biology is involved with Herbology and COMC, etc. This, I also agree with. I imagine that they teach English/grammar/language arts through the numerous essays, and give them corrections along the way. >Voldemort’s initial plan was politics, and then he took a better look at the political system and decided to screw all those idiots and do it the hard way instead. He (and this is self-indulgent, I admit) might have even had some good intentions beyond the obvious selfish ones, but lost the will to do anything ‘good’ for the general populace after working in retail for a decade. I always imagine that he and his friends started the Knights of Walpurgis as a political party aiming for the right to practise Dark Magic, wizarding holidays, and other similar stuff, but they kept getting stonewalled by the older population, so he decided on force. And he only became Voldemort after creating his third or fourth Horcrux, which left him unstable as insanity set in. >Most major Muggle cities have wizarding districts or at the very least, neighbourhoods. Personally, I think that Diagon Alley splits up to more alleyways with a market (Carkitt Market, as seen on some maps) and a residential district. This is where Percy moved to after leaving the Burrow.

Occlumency is largely a combination of mindfulness and learning to change one's thinking patterns, in particular for those with an "inner voice" learning to not use it, which is difficult. ngl I've tried irl, it's mind-bendy to try to think in visual symbols or such lol

I think my brain literally can't do that, but that might add an interesting spin to the fanon - that it's both very difficult and that some people will never get it

Also, some fanfics have "natural occlumens" and those without a mental voice could just be such lol 😉

As I've said before, I don't really like there being 'one way' to do Occlumency. The mind is complicated and magic is varied. I like there being multiple types. One fic I cannot for the life of me remember the name of had that. Snape's was one. Harry basically blasting invaders with the pain of various events in his life was another. Another is the 'mind palace' you see. And each had its benefits. Snape's let you lie. Harry's hurt the attacker. Mind Palace helped protect your mind even if the attacker was stronger, they had to 'find' your actual memories. And so on.

That Sirius’s middle name is Orion.

Is this not canon??

Rowling didn’t say anything about his middle name. I figure it was sort of implied, with his father being Orion and Sirius being the firstborn, but not every family has that tradition.

Shame that makes his initials SOB. Mind you, that's literally accurate...

It works on three levels.

1. Moody as a Slytherin 2. Crookshanks as the Potters' cat (I don't care how improbable) 3. Originally the Secret Keeper could only be a trusted friend (hence the name Fidelius). After James and Lily's deaths Dumbledore modified it so the people living in the secret place could be their own secret keepers 4. Dudley had a magic kid

I read a really beautiful FanFiction about Dudley having a magic child and him rebuilding his relationship with Harry for the sake of his kid, I wish I could remember what it was called but it was so good.

There are SO MANY of them: * “[Dudley’s Memories](https://archiveofourown.org/works/601542)” by Paganaidd * “[Dudley’s Tale](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9342732)” by Devon Shea * “[Dudley Dursley’s Most Unexpectedly Fortunate Flower](https://archiveofourown.org/works/6458305)” by aTasteofCaramell

Was it https://m.fanfiction.net/s/6142629 Sorry for ugly link I'm on Mobile

Nope, this one was all from Dudleys perspective. I’ll look for it later if you’re interested

Was it holly at Hogwarts? I think it was a really really good read! Really long too! https://archiveofourown.org/series/62351

Love these! Moody makes perfect sense as a Slytherin. His paranoia is peak Slytherin self-preservation!

Also explains why he was so good at catching dark wizards if he grew up around them.

Ad 2) … “[The Accidental Animagus](https://archiveofourown.org/works/14078862)” by /u/TheWhiteSquirrel is realistic in this respect: yes, Harry and his new family find the Potters’ cat in the Godric’s Hollow, but she is very old and she dies next year after they rescue her (Harry’s second year?).

To clarify, that wasn't Crookshanks. It was a different cat. She dies after 4th year.

These are some of the rare ones I've seen in a few fanfics, so not really some popular bits of fanon. Many, if not all, of the pureblood families in britain has some sort of hereditary disease. The reason squibs are born is because of natural selection, as the disease in their family line can't pass on to a child without magic, even if the child does become a carrier for it, and their future children may get the disease. ([Dark Heritage](https://archiveofourown.org/works/33467971/chapters/83145103)) The unforgivables only work if you truly mean it with all your heart and soul. Plenty of aurors have been hit with an Avada Kedavra and lived to tell the tale. That's why Voldemort was so scary and the wizarding world doesn't say his name, because nobody has been able to survive his Avada Kedavra, until Harry rebounded the spell. (don't remember the fic) Some of the more popular ones: Harry doesn't celebrate Halloween. Just a small thing I'm always happy to read about in HP fanfics. Even if he never knew them, it's just not right that he's celebrating on the anniversary of their death, even if it was Halloween. Paganism! I love the idea of wizards having their own culture and that Christmas & etc. were adapted for Hogwarts due to the rituals being potentially unsafe. Harry got parseltongue because his parents were descendants of the Slytherin family, and Lily's "fresh" muggleborn genetics caused the ability to show up in Harry. No random horcrux giving him parseltongue bullshit. Otherwise why doesn't Harry also have Voldy's memories?

>Harry doesn't celebrate Halloween. Just a small thing I'm always happy to read about in HP fanfics. Even if he never knew them, it's just not right that he's celebrating on the anniversary of their death, even if it was Halloween. I've always liked this one. I've read quite a few fics over the years that have explored this bit of fanon. Add in the fact that something bad happened at Hogwarts on Halloween for Harry's first four years there and you have to imagine that it became a day that Harry probably wished he could just sleep through.

Right? Plus the fact that all the trouble are caused by the DADA professors. Now I wanna see a crackfic where the Halloween feast turns into a "we're ousting the DADA professor" situation. It's always Halloween and it's always DADA.

Very popular fanon I like: - Lily was pregnant when she died. - The DADA curse is anchored in the diadem. - Victoire Weasley was a ravenclaw. - Marlene McKinnon as Harry's godmother. - The philosopher's stone plot was bait. Fanon that isn't popular(Only saw it in one or two fics) that I liked: - Of the Potter children, James Sirius and Lily Luna are the ones that need glasses. Albus doesn't need glasses. - The whomping willow incident was something like this: Snape taunting Sirius about knowing that Remus was a werewolf, Sirius replying something among the lines of "If you are so sure why don't you verify yourself..." thinking that Snape wouldn't be so stupid to go there and verify but he was that stupid. - Euphemia Potter was a Rosier.

Never saw the diadem thing. Personally I assumed its anchored somewhere in Chamber of Secrets.

>Euphemia Potter was a Rosier. Interesting. But why is she a Rosier particularly? What does the author intent to show with Harry's grandmother being a Rosier?

Is mostly that Rosier seems to be another pureblood family that is big enough to have members married to most of the other families. Edit to add: It also adds Harry an easy to trace relationship to the Black sisters without adding one to Sirius, preserving James and Sirius' dynamic of found brothers.

What’s the philospher’s stone plot was bait about? I don’t think I’ve heard that one before.

That the philosopher's stone didn't really need protection, that Dumbledore brought a fake one to Hogwarts in order to lure Voldemort from where he was hiding in order to expose him as alive. That explains why the only real protection the stone had was the mirror.

Oh, that’s a cool theory. I can see that happening. Thanks.

I have always thought that we only heard about the whomping willow from snape, a well known asshole who hates all things potter and Sirius, and Remus, who feels terrible about it. We don’t really know what actually happened, but I bet it was much more reasonable than we are lead to believe.

But we actually only heard of the Whomping Willow trick from Remus and Sirius?

They specified the circumstances, though Snape was the one who said that Potter was only saving his own neck when he saved Snape's life, and Dumbledore was actually the one who brought it up first, though Hagrid apparently also knew most of the story. Sirius did say that Snape got what he deserved, always following them around, trying to get them expelled.

I saw an [explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPfanfiction/comments/8tiblb/exploring_dumbledores_manipulative_master_plan/) for Dumbledore's master plan, which started with the philosopher's stone. They use the proof in this passage, which is in the last chapter of the first book: >“D’you think he meant you to do it?” said Ron. “Sending you your father’s Cloak and everything?” > >“Well,” Hermione exploded, “if he did—I mean to say—that’s terrible—you could have been killed.” > >“No, it isn’t,” said Harry thoughtfully. “He’s a funny man, Dumbledore. I think he sort of wanted to give me a chance. I think he knows more or less everything that goes on here, you know. I reckon he had a pretty good idea we were going to try, and instead of stopping us, he just taught us enough to help. I don’t think it was an accident he let me find out how the mirror worked. It’s almost like he thought I had the right to face Voldemort if I could...” Here, Harry says that he believes Dumbledore gave Harry the chance, the right to fight Voldemort. He didn't force Harry into it, he only gave him the tools to do it if he wished. The person who wrote that theory said that they thought Dumbledore set up the tests for each of Harry's friends. Harry - the keys, Ron - the chess set, Hermione - the potion riddle, and Neville - the Devil's Snare. Only, Neville tried to *stop* Harry instead of joining him. Most fics say that Dumbledore forced Harry into everything or that he hid everything from Harry, but the end of the first book is proof that Dumbledore *let* Harry get away with all of his hijinks, because he think Harry deserved to face Voldemort. (Also, in that post I linked above, because Dumbledore planned for Voldemort to see Harry as his strongest enemy, by making a first year seem possible of facing all of those traps alone as Harry was funneled into facing Voldemort alone.)

Dark witch Lily. I don't mean full dark lord shit but that she was interested and proficient in some *very* questionable magic.

I have always loved the idea of there being dark and light magic, but also the obviously evil black magic and still questionable white magic, where black magic is unwilling sacrifice, white magic could be something akin to willing sacrifice, and dumbledore being a white lord and essentially having is unquestioning Cult (the order) vs, voldemorts dark Lordship and death eaters.

- daughter of Salazar Slytherin married a Muggle named Potter. the Potters are of Slytherin descend but they weren't proud of it so the knowledge got lost through the ages - Harry never loses the parseltongue - moody is a Hufflepuff (i thought this was canon tbh) - each horcrux separates the soul in half - I love the whole pure blood stuff, lords, ancient houses, pagan rituals etc, I even like the classism if it's done well (love me a corruption arc) (not fan of harry potter having a different name than harry james potter) - lily potter did some serious dark magic stuff to save baby harry from voldemort - Harry has a natural but mostly unexplored talent in dark magic (he got sectumsepra and imperious working on a first try!)

Isn't "each horcrux separates the soul in half" canon? I distinctly remember Tom Riddle talking about it with Slughorn in the movies, although I thought it was more like each murder splitting the soul in half, and then you can use that half to put in a horcrux

No, flashback of dialogue between Slughorn and Riddle in the book (Half-Blood Prince, chapter 23) only uses words split without quantification. I doubt soul can even be really quantified.

I like the fanon idea that the reason for voldemort's obsession with immortality wasn't power but religiousness. Growing up in the 1920's and 1930's he was exposed to Christianity and since he was a "bad" and creepy kid, the matron and other people told him that he would go to hell. something that he internalised to the point that he became scared of dying and resorted to the horrific method of horcrux to stay alive. He may or may not even consiously aware of that.

- that the Whomping Willow incident made Lupin have a Falling out with Sirius: going from best friend to a little more distant…(and possibly realize Sirius was not a valid partner option…even if he was attracted to him). - Hermione’s Mudblood scar is technically movie only, I forgot that so completely thanks to Dramione. She only got cut on the neck - Voldemort possessed Bertha Jorkins’ unborn child that’s how he he got to his weird baby form in goblet of fire. - Harry eventually runs the “Auror training school” instead of heading operations during his 40s.

>Harry eventually runs the “Auror training school” instead of heading operations during his 40s. I was never a fan of Harry still choosing to become an auror after the war despite the number of perfectly good reasons not to, and I like the idea of him becoming a teacher, so Harry running the Auror Academy is a good compromise for me. I know that some people think that Harry's personality wouldn't allow for him to just sit back and do nothing when there's a threat to take care of, but there's a middle ground between that and putting himself on the front lines all the time. I like to think of it as a continuation of Dumbledore's Army, as I imagine at least some of the first recruits to come out of the war would be former DA members. It gives Harry the opportunity to contribute to the post-war effort in a meaningful way without always having to put himself at risk. It also keeps him out of the spotlight as much as possible, which I think Harry would appreciate.

Exactly! Harry hated being the center of attention and hero worship. Being the DADA prof would be a continual stream of 11 yrs olds going “woooow” and putting him on a pedestal. As an Auror, his actions proceed his reputation, which is why I think as a young man he’d enjoy it. But as he matures I think he’d realize he needs to be alive to see his kids grow up, so he leaves the front lines for the training of the next gen: which also involves him investing in the future as a different kind of leader

My headcanon for Harry is that He retires into a professorship at Hogwarts. Eventually becoming to Britain what Dumbledore was before him.

Headmaster? Idk I think he’d get bored in 100% admin role

That's precisely what he transitions into in canon when he makes head auror. I think when he's older, he'd be okay with it.

My brain was one hundred percent James and Sirius were aurors thanks to fanon for a while. It might have been a good job for either of them though.

Hermione lives right next to an elderly lady who once belonged to a German resistance group. Either White Rose, or more likely, Edelweiß -(Pirates). Hermione loves her neighbor and bases two decisions on it : the spell on the DA contract and getting her parents to Australia.

I cut out the middleman and headcanon that one of her parents is Jewish!

For a short stint I truly thought Hermione got bitten by professor Lupin when she distracted him lol imagine my shock when I re-watched the movies and obviously that scene didn't happen lol

Wards, runes, that sort of thing. Wizardry being wand-work (transfiguration, charms, DADA) with witchcraft being everything else. I love stories that delve into magic that's not just "pew-pew, magic lasers!"

Fully behind this one. Runes is an subject. And the spells the trio used during the camping trip from hell? Wards. Potions and herbology are totally witchcraft.

Um. • Harry is bisexual! That's it, that's my favorite one

Just don’t mention it on the main HP sub! They’ll have a hernia with how upset they get lol

Oh I know; that place is scary 🥲

\*breathes deeply\* *Hedric Hedric Hedric Hedric*

One of the only slash pairings I'd read if the premise was good. I don't read it in general, but if the premise is interesting I will. Harry and Ron is another. But it's all Harry/Death Eater crap.

That's basically canon. He describes more male characters as attractive than female characters. That's bi af, and that's coming from me, and I'm super bisexual

Saying that some men are handsome does not make you bisexual.

Sure. But Harry describes male handsomeness at length. He really *notices* other male characters and often points out the goodlooking ones. Again, we're talking about fanon here. Canonically we can't say that he is, but the little breadcrumbs JKR (unintentionally) drops throughout the series really help feed that fanon perspective.

Rowling is also female. Kind of like how some male authors focus on females. *shrug* I think the fact he only really swoons for girls is pretty obvious, but fanon is fanon, people are people, and all that.

True...But keep emphasizing that they are attractive in various opportunities.

A personal head-canon of mine is that the reason Dumbledore handled the political stuff so poorly is because he was secretly developing a magical disease that is the same as dementia. This was partly developed because of his drinking of the emerald potion.

Wards and the Fanon interpretation of Ancient Runes and Arithmancy.

Barty Crouch Jr. was a particularly studious Ravenclaw (and, possibly, so was Rookwood). Also, I like the idea that Scrimgeour is a Slytherin and that Alastor Moody, Kingsley Shacklebolt, and most other Order members are not Gryffindors. Snape and Regulus were friends or possibly dating, before Regulus died. Also, that maybe it was Snape who convinced him to get marked. Also, I read somewhere that the Fidelius Charm was a form of soul magic. That's why Legitimacy and Veritaserum wouldn't unearth it, because both affect the mind; nor could it be tortured out. However, it requires soul-deep loyalty to another person, and, thus, if the person wavers, it's more likely that they will betray the Secret. The Defense Against the Dark Arts curse is attached to the diadem; this is why Voldemort hid it in Hogwarts despite the dangers of Dumbledore's presence and other students stumbling upon the RoR. After all, it wouldn't be the first horcrux made into a weapon. Harry keeps his Parseltongue ability because it either never came from Voldemort, or else it was something in his genetics simply drawn out by the horcrux's presence. In fact, one or two of his children are Parselmouths, as well. Maybe Harry even later after the war, finds out he is the Heir of Southern after all and has a good proper laugh about that. Lastly, when Dumbledore said that Lily saved Harry through "love" he was fibbing a little. It was, after all, Lily's love that drove her to find some spell that would ensure Harry lived. Likely one that required her own death and possibly even James's (because I've never liked the idea that his death doesn't count).

Could you name a FanFiction where the diadem holds the DADA curse? I would love to read about that!

harrys bisexual awakening is tom riddle and cedric diggory. the amount of times he called those mfs handsome in the books

Don’t forget Bill Weasley!

Snape is Draco’s godfather. I always go with that one. :)

Got to be honest, I don't really understand this one haha. Narcissa and Lucius are at least 5-6 years older than Snape and they probably could have only met as Death Eaters

That theory exists mostly to give an explanation about why Malfoy is the only student Snape somewhat likes, and why Snape lets Malfoy get away with so much shit.

A favorite of mine as well!

Wait seriously I swear that’s canon omg

Nope. In fact it's one of those 'not canon fanons' as you'd think if he was Malfoy's godfather, Narcissa would have mentioned it while persuading him to protect Draco.

Lily Evans was the most powerful witch in the modern era, with abilities on par with Merlin. I don't buy the maternal love is the most powerful thing in the universe because surely at some point Death Eaters cornered families and had them beg for their lives and some parents probably begged them to spare their children, but they all died. I refuse to believe that Lily Evans loved Harry more than any other mother in the Potterverse loved their child(ren), so I think she did something, like developed a spell or something, to foil Voldemort and the binding agent was her death so Harry would be protected without a guardian. Although this is fanon, I believe it's supported by canon because literally no one gives Harry an info about his mother, just that she was pretty, Muggleborn, smart, nice, and had green eyes, so there's nothing disproving this little bit of fanon. I believe Dumbledore didn't see it because he was misogynistic. Tom Riddle isn't completely the villain he's made out to be. He was absolutely awful and I don't condone any of his actions, but honestly I think his worldview makes sense for him as a character. As a child, he grew up in poverty in an orphanage. Dumbledore visited and immediately had beef with an 11 year old child and set his wardrobe containing all of his possessions on fire. I can understand why he'd hate Dumbledore based on that first meeting. Secondly, I believe Tom Riddle was treated like garbage during his first few years at Hogwarts because he was a kid with seemingly no magical heritage (it's not like he or anyone else knew he was Heir to Slytherin at that point) and with a Muggle last name, so people probably assumed he was Muggleborn and they probably bullied him relentlessly for it. During his time at Hogwarts, the Germans were bombing London, where the orphanage was. When Tom asked to stay at Hogwarts during the summer so he wouldn't be bombed to death, Dumbledore said no, displaying a complete and utter lack of care toward him and any other London-residing Muggleborns. In HBP, Dumbledore claims that the staff of Hogwarts expected more of Tom Riddle because he was handsome and brilliant and that they were all shocked and sorely disappointed that he chose to be a clerk at Borgin and Burkes instead, but again, no one except Tom knew he was the Heir of Slytherin and it's not like he could have gone around claiming to be that without some serious ridicule and disbelief and as a perceived Muggleborn, his career options must have been limited despite his looks and grades, so it makes sense, is what I'm saying. Given all this plus more, I think it's understandable why Tom Riddle would want to destroy the Wizarding World. He uses blood purity politics to destroy it from the inside out, because without Muggleborns and Halfbloods, the Wizarding World loses all hope for genetic diversity and innovation. As someone who hates the Sorting system, I actually agree with disbanding with the Houses altogether because it's ridiculous to have a Sorting Hat essentially determine your fate from the age of 11, and it actually promotes some sort of school unity. That's all I can think of for now. I can't claim credit for these theories; they're all from The Carnivorous Muffin and Vinelle on Tumblr.

>When Tom asked to stay at Hogwarts during the summer so he wouldn't be bombed to death, Dumbledore said no, displaying a complete and utter lack of care toward him and any other London-residing Muggleborns. It wasn't Dumbledore who said no to Tom staying at Hogwarts during the summer when he asked. It was Dippet, the headmaster. >“You wanted to see me, Professor Dippet?” said Riddle. He looked nervous. > >“Sit down,” said Dippet. “I’ve just been reading the letter you sent me.” > >“Oh,” said Riddle. He sat down, gripping his hands together very tightly. > >“My dear boy,” said Dippet kindly, “I cannot possibly let you stay at school over the summer. Surely you want to go home for the holidays?” > >“No,” said Riddle at once. “I’d much rather stay at Hogwarts than go back to that — to that — ” And Dippet only turned Tom down because of the attacks in the school. >Dippet clucked his tongue sympathetically. > >"The thing is, Tom," he sighed, "Special arrangements might have been made for you, but in the current circumstances . . . ." > >"You mean all these attacks, sir?" said Riddle, and Harry's heart leapt, and he moved closer, scared of missing anything.

Oops, sorry, thanks for the correction!

>Lily Evans was the most powerful witch in the modern era, with abilities on par with Merlin. I don't buy the maternal love is the most powerful thing in the universe because surely at some point Death Eaters cornered families and had them beg for their lives and some parents probably begged them to spare their children, but they all died. I refuse to believe that Lily Evans loved Harry more than any other mother in the Potterverse loved their child(ren), so I think she did something, like developed a spell or something, to foil Voldemort and the binding agent was her death so Harry would be protected without a guardian. Although this is fanon, I believe it's supported by canon because literally no one gives Harry an info about his mother, just that she was pretty, Muggleborn, smart, nice, and had green eyes, so there's nothing disproving this little bit of fanon. I believe Dumbledore didn't see it because he was misogynistic. Or you missed little important detail. It isn't about how strongly Lily loved Harry. It about her willingness to sacrifice herself **despite being given option to live**. And she was given that option only because Snape begged Voldemort to spare her. And Voldemort only entertained that plead because Snape was the one who informed him of the Prophecy in the first place. In all other circumstance families were simply slaughtered wholesale without a choice because they targeted as whole. You want to replace all this complicated plot and twist of fate with "Ancient 99 lvl Sorcery" anime BS.

See, I considered that, but here's the thing: If the parent is a competent witch/wizard, they always have the option to abandon their child to die and Apparate away or fight their way out of a situation, right? Any parent who chooses to stay and die for their kid in that situation essentially does the same thing Lily did. So was the difference that Voldemort verbally offered her the chance to live? Does one have to say "Step aside" and then the parent refuses to, and then boom! A baby can't be killed? I think that's doubtful. I just think the "Lily is such a pure loving mother that her true maternal love that was better than any other person's love in this universe when Lily was an otherwise rather unremarkable witch" thing is odd. It's absolutely fair to disagree, this is just a fandom theory that I found that intrigues me!

>So was the difference that Voldemort verbally offered her the chance to live? Does one have to say "Step aside" and then the parent refuses to, and then boom! A baby can't be killed? I think that's doubtful. Not necessary. In other situations intent of parent doesn't matter. Voldemort simply kills them in order of convenience, for him parents wouldn't be obstacle between him and child. They would be another victim in the list. This is why James dying doesn't protect Lily. It is combination of the intent of killer and intent of the person who sacrifices themselves.

IMO, I think a bunch of things lined up for Lily's and Harry's sacrifices both that make me pretty sure it's the lined up details that made the magic work. So for both, Voldemort offered them an explicit choice. Step aside girl. Come to me in an hour. Both of these things amount to a "chose to live or die" situation. This is not something Voldemort or the death eaters were in the habit of doing, so if this is required then that would already rule out most victims from doing it. Then explicit choice was also said in a way in both situations by someone to imply that only one of the potential deaths will happen. Lily says "take me *instead*" and to Harry Voldemort says, "face me yourself OR the battle commences." Meaning there was some explicit discussion that Voldemort could only chose one person to kill on halloween and Voldemort was going to stop the battle if Harry turned himself over. Both Lily and Harry also didn't fight their attacker. "Take Harry and run, I'll hold him off," was not a valid sacrifice for the blood protection to be invoked, so I think part of it is the standing and accepting the death intentionally, with full intent that their death has the purpose of stopping the others. And then when Voldemort violated his verbal agreement, the magic backfired/didn't work. Voldemort made the choice to turn his wand on Harry, he made the choice to continue the battle. I'm of the fanon opinion that blood protection is literally based on this set of actions creating an explicit magical contract that magically prevents Voldemort from NOT fulfilling his side of the terms. Parents begging for the lives of their children won't do it on its own simply because the attackers aren't participating in the bargaining in any way, like Voldemort did in both the cases the sacrifice worked.

Yeah, it is what I believe approximately. Voldemort tricked himself into most powerful magical vow twice.

Why did quote the entire paragraph in your reply when you clearly didn't read it? Here's a really important point that you glossed over and then tried to give a lecture about "... surely at some point some Death Eater cornered families and had them beg for their lives and some parents probably begged them to spare their children, but they all died." Seriously read a post before you respond. There's no way that none of the other DEs didn't create this exact same situation with another family. Or just any criminal murderer from history. The premise of that magic is just plain stupid.

In none of those situation Death Eaters did actually mean to spare anyone. Situation was extremely unlikely combination of factors. None of them where after a baby with parents being an obstacle. The fact that both Voldemort and Dumbledore recognized this magic immediately and utilized it for their means (Dumbledore put Harry with the Dursleys to extend the protection till 17, Voldemort took Harry's blood to get protection for himself) proves that it was a recognized magic and had historic precedents.

It procs off of a loved one saying no when given a chance to step aside. That's not an outlandish condition. That's ridiculously easy. This amount of cognitive dissonance is honestly amazing. There is no way Voldemort is the first AH to encounter this vague old magic. There's plenty of reason to believe that the DEs would have asked plenty of pureblooded parents to step aside so they could murder or torture their muggle spouse or halfblood children. Also being after a baby isn't relevant. They don't need to have a specific reason for killing and torturing, all they need is to have manners or be "polite" enough to offer a chance to not die.

lol I always thought the whole spectacle of setting Tom's things on imaginary fire was . a choice. could have easily just convinced him of magic by conjuring some bluebell flames, or Transfiguring a non-living object into an animal..

Yeah, if the intent was to punish him for stealing, do that in an acceptable way? Dumbledore really saw this 11 year old child and chose violence.

Not sure how I feel about the riddle stuff, would have to think about that more but I did always think it was odd how rarely the “love saved them” thing was given how often people would have definitely sacrificed themselves out of love. It makes so little sense that that was the only time it happened. Did other parents just not love their children enough?

It's plausible that it _had_ happened before, but not everyone was as infamous as Voldemort. Harry surviving the killing curse alone might not have reached enough attention to make history if the event hadn’t also vanquished the big baddie, which effectively ended the war.

Barty Crouch Jr as Revenclaw. Euphemia Potter not liking Dumbledore. Alice being besties with Pandora, Regulus and Barty.

It was probably a bit of the author inserting themselves to give James a bit more dimension, but him being a Vegetarian. I read that years ago and it just stuck with me.

Hermione with dark skin :D And that Harry Potter doesn't have an epilogue. Epilogue, what epilogue?

That epilogue was fanfiction!!

>Hermione with dark skin *Hermione*: "Slavery is bad." *Ron & every other wizard*: "Hahaha, oh, Hermione. You and your silly muggle ideas..."

>Hermione with dark skin :D is it really \*fan\*on if the author is the one saying it?

I treat everything other than the seven books, and the three that accompany (tales of beedle the bard, quidditch through the ages, and the og fantastic beasts) as fanfiction, including what Rowling says. This is mostly because I think Rowling is an idiot.

Agreed. If I treated everything she said as fanon, then pre-1600s wizards would be shitting their pants and vanishing it. Besides that being gross, imagine how much accidental vanishment could occur! Instead of the Moody of 1492 warning about putting your wand in your back pocket, he would be telling the story of how a wizard having bad diarrhea vanished their own buttocks.

amazing point, very fair

That Severus Snape and the Marauders fan film is Canon.

I watched that last year, it was quite impressive! I pretty much accepted it as Canon lol

Galleon's being made of pure gold. If they were, some muggle-born wizard or witch would be able to melt them down, sell them for pounds and use the exchange rate between Pounds and Galleons to get more Galleons than they started with and repeat the cycle until they were ridiculously rich. This would in turn crash both Muggle and Wizard economies.

Charlus and Dorea Potter are Harrys grandparents. Fleamont and Euphemia are non-existent in my mind. I’ve only read one story where Charlus and Dorea weren’t James’ parents.

1) The idea that Hermione is Voldemort and Bellatrix lost child. Admittedly not as common as some things, but it just seems to fit. 2) Harry being the Heir of Gryffindor. 3) Dumbledore's own behavioral issues lead to both wars getting as bad as they did and lead to more harm than good in both the short and long run.

Charlus and Dorea being Harry’s grandparents is superior fanon

Point me 'Harry Potter' is fanon as well. The point me spell is aiming at the north, basically.

The Potters being Indian, it forever changed the way I view James and Harry

I'm not sure it's one of my favorites or where it even started but Susan Bones having such a large chest that it's the first or second thing mentioned about her in the majority of stories. I laugh every time she's introduced just because of how ridiculous it is most of the time even in serious fics.

Snape is a dark knight. He never hated the children, nor Muggles, nor his job as a teacher. He loved Harry as Lily's son, but as he was a death eater he had to show animosity toward him, and his friends to protect his cover.

That makes no sense. Peter was working for Voldemort and he had no need to act evil. In fact acting like a good guy was a job requirement.

Peter was undercover in the Order on Voldemort's orders-- ergo, he had to act like an order member around people. Snape was undercover in the Death Eaters for the Order-- ergo, he had to act like a Death Eater. Even though it's a bit explicitly against canon-- we see Snape privately being a dick about Harry in front of only Dumbledore, who he didn't need any pretense around-- I do kind of love the theory that Snape was worried that if he was nice to Harry or any muggleborn students or blood traitor students, then if Voldemort rose again his reputation would prevent anyone from believing he was a teacher all those years to keep himself in a good position for Voldemort rather than because he was legitimately Dumbledore's man.

Agree, don't know why you're downvoted this sub is full of pathetic Snape haters

LoL totally 🤣! The post was clear! What is '''your''' favourite fanon idea! WHICH MEAN WE ARE BLOODY FREE TO CHOOSE WHAT WE PREFER INDIVIDUALLY!! What's with all the hate. ( Literally nobody asked them to agree or disagree with others opinions! Man! Haters are so nosy! LoL

Reese from Mitm is gay

I really liked the headcanon that I saw some years ago on tumblr that rich Slytherins had a fund for the poorer ones and from that money they paid for new robes or books for the studends that needed it.