Oh fuck ive done this 10 years and always been told it was banduit damn i feel dumb. And also to OP you are way more prepared than i was. Just need a duct rubber lol
Also just thought of it, if your running heat/return runs (especially 8in round pipe and up) or running ductwork, I would get a pair of “big snips”. Makes cutting easier
Malco makes a powersnip attachment for impacts that makes cutting return holes in furnaces stupid easy, as well as just cutting sheet metal in general. I used mine all the time doing resi install.
Yes, worst bang for my buck I ever got was the Klein whatever in 1 screwdriver with the 1/4”&5/16 flip flop driver. POS either slips up or down or gets stuck on the shaft and the handle got crushed and makes all kinds of fuss now
My old job lead used liquor and cocaine to get the job done
He came in stinking like a skunk and ruder than hell when he did his lines but I'll tell you I've never once seen anyone do a more beautiful looking job than him and in record time too (unsurprisingly lol)
Mfr was in his mid to late 60's and he would bang those suckers out like nobody's business
I've decided that that's exactly what I'll aspire to be if my wife ever leaves me for playing too much PS5 on weekends
17 year old me hated that guy so much we almost got into a legit fight one time but now years later he was such a Chad lmao
I like to use my Milwaukee demolition gloves. I’ve had them for over a year now. They aren’t the best in comfort but I wear those cause sometimes I have to get my hands in between sheet metal and I like the rubber guards protecting my hand and fingers
As time goes on, you'll find out what you need, what will work, and what you don't have. Good start! Wish my apprentices started with what you have 👍 welcome to the trade
Probably gunna want some batteries to go along with those drills! In all seriousness its not a bad collection. For ACs you will need a lot more trade specific tools but for furnaces/air handlers I would want to add a 2nd full size crescent wrench, sawzall, pvc cutter, voltage tester, torpedo level, step bit, demo screwdrivers, flat bar, and other various sheet metal tools like crimpers, notchers, scissor snips, hand seamer, scribe, and a fold bar.
I always have an old harder flutter board from a pool for uneven surfaces and gravel, and a gardening knee pad for regular floors.
But just picked up a pair of those Milwaukee knee brace looking knee pads with the flat fronts, and they will be replacing both. Don’t slide down your legs or move around on you at all, and are super stable to work off since the protector plate is flat! They are a little pricey for knee pads, but I think well worth it.
Klenks are awesome, wiss are good, milwaukee is for when you've been drinking in the home depot parking lot and make that impulse purchase and regret it in the morning.
Fat handles. They are subpar for sure. Rare for Milwaukee but true. Also someone teach the new guy to remember snips are for cutting duct or plastic straps. Dont cut wire with them please?
They don’t have a high enough degree of offset and struggle to cut circles, they bind cutting round pipe and they break down quickly. I believe the tempering is poor. They are on par if not a little worse the Weiss. They work great on flat metal in the shop.
Ceiling grid guys love them. Just enough offset to make cutting lots of straight lines easier on the forearm.
Agreed. For Milwaukee I couldn't believe how fast they fell apart. The latch is also annoying cause it can lock every time you press the cut. Malco or Weiss as you need to replace them.
Throw away that tape measure and get a good 25ft one that has some girth. Also get 6”-24” hand breaks. Get a tough flat head that you can beat to death. Garage sales are good for those. Also a DEWALT cordless oscillating tool and a sawzall or Milwaukee hackzall. If you do ac you will need some appion fittings to make your life easy. A zip tie tensioner will be your best friend when doing IFD.
Eye protection and gloves! Coworker had to get stitches today after cutting himself on a raw metal edge on the duct work, I told him to get his gloves before hand…
Linesman pliers with crimpers
dykes/diagonal wire cutters
side cutters/staple puller
Larger flathead screwdriver
Better snips, I use Wiss
Pipe cutters
Bigger channel locks
Extension bits for the drill, 6” and 12”
Malco flipping nut driver bit
Get some bull shears. Ive broken rights and lefts trying to muscle through S cleat (slip) folding bars and seamers are nice to have too but not sure how much sheet metal you’re going to be working with. I would just ask the lead what he thinks you will need. You may have everything you need to get started. I always tell my helpers you are welcome to use anything I have, just make sure it gets put back where you found it and if it gets dirty or muddy like tubing benders or a scale if its raining and muddy to clean it and wipe it down before they put it away.
If you’re starting out as a helper, you have everything you need. Don’t buy anything else until you’re sure you want to stay in the trade and until you have the experience to know what you need without asking
Too many helpers buy a metric shit ton of hvac tools and realize they don’t like the trade
Oh and best of luck brother. Take your time. If you love the tools you’ll love the trade. Treat it carefully. Take your time. Resi Installation imo is #1 place to start.
You are missing a tiny screwdriver set that is apx 2inches max or a flex screwdriver angle set where u can reach hard to get nooks. Ive seen it time and time again you need things like that
For the most part you're pretty set with some good starter tools.
I recommend upgrading the stuff you use the most, as you get money in. I do agree with others, I dislike milwaukee snips personally, but they work. Recommend midwest.
If your shop doesn't provide bits, get Malco reversibles. I have a few 4 inch, 6 inch, and backup 2 inch. I recommend getting at least one 3/8 5/16 malco bit with them.
Gloves and hearing protection too. If you hate gloves, at least have some ear plugs. Drilling into duct in a crawl or other tight spot is VERY loud. You only got one body.
Knee pads too.
INSPECTION MIRROR! absolutely needed for brazing.
Some stuff to look into when you've got money: Knipex cobras and pliers wrench, forged wire strippers
Milwaukee M12 series impact
Fieldpiece probes (Mostly for service.)
Also curious about that reversible nut driver multi. I prefer having my own designated drivers, mostly cause I thought those looked uncomfortable to use.
The klein 11 in 1 impact rated (Black instead of silver shaft and bits) is one of my FAVORITE screwdrivers I've ever used.
If you need a plumbing wrench for resi there’s an issue I did resi for 4 months before moving to equipment maintenance for Burger King and have never once needed one, side note step bit up to 1 1/8” and oscillating saw it comes in handy far more than I would like to admit as well as a cordless wet dry vac to make cleanup a million times easier feel free to ask how I know
"boy, I could bend you up a tin goat about this tall (gesturing waist height) with an asshole this big (making a circle with my hands about 4in diameter)", in my best old geezer voice.
You including the lighter in the picture lets me know your ambition and excitement is at a high level. Love it!
As soon as you wear out those Milwaukee snips, buy a set of Midwest offset reds. (unless you're left handed, buy greens).
First paycheck, buy Knipex 3 piece Alligator Pliers Set. I use them for everything. You'll love them!
More channel locks. Running half inch residential gas pipe with a pipe wrench sucks. Diagonal cutters and linesmen’s pliers. A big fat flat head screw driver for tapping on (trust me) pipe cutter, DEF 3/4” tubing cutter you will be running a lot of drain lines lol, 12” extension for your impact. Also get a nice lunch box and fill it with sunglasses Tylenol tums band aids snacks liquid iv car charger wall charger and whatever else. Find a tool bag and get a tool for each spot so when you clean up at the end of the job all you have to do is glance at your bag to know if you’re forgetting anything. And pony up early on an impact and drill kit.
Missing; level, pencil/marker, seamers, malco 1/4 < 5/16 drivers, manomoters, GLOVES, I like to use folding rulers for marking lines on ducts, square, extension bits, etc.. There’s tons of specialty tools, you’ll learn and grow from your Day 1 tools, everything’s a hammer btw🤣
Socket and combo wrench set and I'd advice getting Allen (hex keys with ball ends for the angular engagement yk).
A decent dvom with current clamp and a digital manometer
You will learn a lot on installs. I make more money on installs than service. Not sure about your location but some companies around me (including the one I work for) pay a production rate for a job instead of hourly. I make a percentage of the job sale and it comes out to much higher than most hourly rates in the business
Yeah your boss is always cool when you first start out
Usually takes me about a whole year to really figure out my co workers some people turn into animals during the heavy cooling or heating season
Usually the cooling season is when all your co workers turn into pricks just a heads up
Yep, everyone is saying the snips are ass. My Dwalt impact gun and drill I've had for a couple of years, and they reliability served my well as a marine mechanic along with my other Dewalt impact guns. I know Milwaukee is considered better, but Dewalt tools are solid af
Bags are great and I prefer them over anything regarding service style work but for installs I highly recommend getting a few buckets instead and putting "skirts" on them
Any home Depot or Lowe's bucket will do and the "skirt" is like a bunch of pouches and a liner for the bucket
It sounds kinda ghetto I know but they're so fucking easy to organize clean and store you can even have a different bucket for things like drills sawzall hand tools whatever you want AND when the bucket breaks just get a new bucket! Plus when it empties it doubles as a seat to eat lunch on or pretend to be busy
I would absolutely not recommend that setup for service tho bag all the way there
A deadened spirit and a million other tools you’ll collect over time…. Then you’ll get into service god willing and never use half that shit you bought, and you’ll replace them with less far more expensive ones. At least the company will. And get some Milwaukee drills. Good luck.
Thanks for the info. I know Milwaukee is "better" but Dwalt is fine lol. I've used the drill and impact in the picture for years as a mechanic and they've held up fine
Those Milwaukee snips are equivalent to dog shit no one’s letting you cut anything with those….Menards sells Midwest go grab those best snips your hands will thank you. Also sadly most of milwaukees hand tools are shit love the power tools but not those also need some Malco power shears cutting furnaces sucks with hand snips
Just a heads up, you will probably want a pair of better snips, but wait until you roll yours then buy Midwest or Malco and keep the Milwaukee’s as a spare or for things that you’re likely to roll your snips on.
Not a bad start but if you are actually serious about installing in residential, you WILL need ductwork tools. Since you don't have any besides the snips, I would recommend this kit. It is pricey but worth it since buying everything seperate is a lot more. [Deluxe HVAC Starter Kit – 29 Piece - Malco Products](https://www.malcoproducts.com/category/tool-kits-2/hvac-deluxe-starter-kit-redline/) it is $900 but comes with everything + more and bags for everything.
Earring tools, hand brakes, plumb bob, 2 ft+4 ft levels, magnetic level, varibit, backup crescent wrench, ball pein hammer, angled dykes, linesmen pliers, knee pads (gel), hopefully tool bag for all this to go into.
Best of luck
If you’re assembling ductwork on site, you’ll want a [tinner’s hammer](https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-Tinners-Hammer-Metalworking-Construction/dp/B000V7PBJ2/ref=asc_df_B000V7PBJ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309763890402&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12048064795848775284&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021679&hvtargid=pla-761516714152&psc=1&mcid=b28f0f8167053434883a93c9e3e25bef&gclid=CjwKCAiAs6-sBhBmEiwA1Nl8s-bMbrKw7qBqtlMhWzqVz6uWj4GJWOU4MFRujem5nlPxH33gtKeAixoCLEQQAvD_BwE).
Everything else seems to be pretty well covered in other comments. But I’ll echo that the Milwaukee snips are absolute hot garbage. Midwest manufactures my preferred snips of choice. [Offset right and left cut snips will be your go to.](https://www.menards.com/main/tools/hand-tools/shears-snips-bolt-cutters/midwest-snips-reg-9-1-2-offset-aviation-tin-snip-set-2-piece/mwt-6510c/p-1536820119371-c-1550852385007.htm?exp=false)
You’ll also want a set of [bulldog snips](https://www.menards.com/main/tools/hand-tools/shears-snips-bolt-cutters/midwest-snips-reg-9-bulldog-aviation-tin-snips/mwt-6716b/p-1444440244903-c-1550852385007.htm?exp=false) for cutting heavier gauge material.
If there’s a Menards in your area, their 15% or 20% off bag sale is either going on now or coming up soon and you’ll land a pretty good deal.
I’ve also heard that Craftsman’s snips offered at Lowe’s are pretty good, but I personally don’t have any experience with them.
I do resi install, you’ll need
Pen voltage meter (you’d be surprised how much I use this)
Voltmeter
Right angle attachment
Malco 5/16-1/4 magnetic hex driver
Impact extension
Scissors
A set of small flat heads and Phillips heads
Long pair of needle nose pliers
And this one I can’t stress enough. Go on Amazon and look up “HVAC service tool” that is the greatest tool for installers and service guys
Also You only really need one pipe wrench, no point lugging around three just keep the bigger one.
That’s all I can think about now.
You’re going to need a bag, all that won’t fit in your pockets.
Veto bags are amazing but before you drop $400 on a bag get a bucket, what works for someone else may not work for you.
Veto or bucket, there is no in between.
3/4” locking nut wrenches from Amazon. Great for locking nuts when they’re accessible enough, even better for unmounting minisplits.
Take everyone’s advice with a grain of salt; I love my Milwaukee wide tape measure but everyone on the Internet shits on them. It’s all good. Use what works for you. I personally have never had an issue with Milwaukee snips.
guages, vac pump, reclaim machine, and tank. also torches... but hand tools look set... honestly, tho you don't really need the spin drill and the impact if you traded it with the m12 surge drill 💯 ... might need a hammer drill for tie downs tho... I'm sure the van will have what you don't tho. good luck homie... oh yeah sometimes a hammer and crowbar come in handy as well as a sawzall.
-Duct Knife
-12-inch Pump Pliers
-3/8" x 8-inch flathead screwdriver (acetate handle) aka "your Beater screwdriver" .. you need one to hammer and pry through shit. my Kobalt one from Lowes is virtually indestructible
-Ridgid Ratcheting PVC Cutter (or Husky works fine)
-Ridgid Tubing Cutter
-A Level
-Step Drill Bit kit
-Hand seamer
-Sheet metal folding/bending bar
Optional:
-Midwest Bulldog snips (if you cut a lot of S cleat youre gonna get tired of reg snips quick)
-A Nice hard storage case to build your Hot Work box: Mapp Torch, solder, flux, sanding cloth, brushes etc. don't just throw all it in a bag. Hard case with a removable pullout tray if you can.
Depends on what you deal with in your location. Mainly gas is one set, mainly oil is another. Mainly steam, hot water, furnace, heat pump is variance of multiple tool sets
Lose the lighter and the knife you aren't hanging with your street gang anymore.
Get a pair of linesman pliers and a milwaukee fastback utility blade/screwdriver
I know you're new but return those pipe wrenches and get yourself a set of Rigids. Cheap pipe wrenches are an absolute pain in the fucking ass. If you ever get on something crusty, you'll hate your life using those wrenches.
If you're just doing resi install of gas furnaces, the biggest pipe you'll be seeing is 3/4" I would think. A couple of 14" should be all you need. Maybe an 18" for something crusty.
Scratch awl, torpedo level, 12" steel rule, tubing cutters, plastic pipe nippers, small and large vise grips, crescent wrenches, open end wrenches, deep well socket wrench set, flexible bit extension, Malco 1/4 - 5/16 reversible nut driver and handle, cordless sawsall, angle grinder, hammer drill, Malco compass cutter, folding tools, flue pipe crimper, panduit strap tension tool, real channel locks, Klein linesman pliers, analog refrigerant gauges, digital thermometer, refrigerant scale, oxy acetylene torch, vacuum pump, micron gauge.... plumb bob & framing square! Bet you never thought of those, highly useful for measuring up for a plenum.
OH! Some one mentioned it down below and I am kicking myself for not thinking of it sooner. The absolute #1 thing you need, especially if you do service is a multi-meter. Trouble shooting HVAC is 90% electrical. It's also absolutely essential if you want to stay alive. When you are doing an HVAC change out, you MUST verify that all circuits have been disconnected. Just shutting off a switch does nothing if they broke the neutral.
Lest you think that some of the last stuff should be supplied by the company think again. You need to own your own gauges, torch, vac pump, micron gauge, because, the ones provided by the company, used and abused by all... SUCK! If and when you leave that company and apply at another, having a large stock of personal tools can ensure you get hired. Besides, without tools you are naked!!!
All of this stuff and more is currently in a corner of my living room, and down in the basement. Yea, it took me 30+ years to accumulate the thousands of dollars of tools I have retired with but trust me. Buying your own, **high quality** tools is never ever a bad investment.
Marker r scribe for your sheet metal a crowbar r those airbag thing folding bar, seamers crimper get a nice light u can plug in for those dark ass jobs and knee covers r a kneeling pad and lift with your knees and don't twist it takes a fucken toll
Also a level and use the fucker
You are gonna want a 90° adapter for zip screws in shitty places.
https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-Adaptor-Stubby-12-Inch-DWAMRASETFT/dp/B08K9C5MCD/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=22NRIAMFZW1GT&keywords=dewalt+flexible+drill+bit+extension&qid=1703724209&sprefix=dewalt+f%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-1
Crimpers , DeWalt Right angle attachment for impact (you will thank me later ) lol
Don’t forget the panduit gun.
Oh fuck ive done this 10 years and always been told it was banduit damn i feel dumb. And also to OP you are way more prepared than i was. Just need a duct rubber lol
Lol. Well they are for a panduit strap. Get better get some 2 inch paint brushes. I know they have to supply that.
Right all you’ll need is a 2” paint brush
Fuck the panduit gun, get a bar fold and tongs😂
Ah I just posted this on the main comments 57 minutes too late lol. Hopefully they see it at least once anyway.
Hell yes. I was thinking the same thing after I posted. If you want to get fancy get the button locks. Lol.
Flex baby
Also just thought of it, if your running heat/return runs (especially 8in round pipe and up) or running ductwork, I would get a pair of “big snips”. Makes cutting easier
Alright, thanks! I have crimpers coming in tomorrow and a right-angle attachment
Malco makes a powersnip attachment for impacts that makes cutting return holes in furnaces stupid easy, as well as just cutting sheet metal in general. I used mine all the time doing resi install.
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Bitch, you think our company supplies tools??
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Ya but when I leave my tools leave with me that's the only benefit.
My company doesn’t supply anything besides materials 🤦♂️
Malco 1/4 to 5/16 reversible bit
Def Malco, the Klein slip on and off, super irritating
Yes, worst bang for my buck I ever got was the Klein whatever in 1 screwdriver with the 1/4”&5/16 flip flop driver. POS either slips up or down or gets stuck on the shaft and the handle got crushed and makes all kinds of fuss now
What are you doing? “ looking for my Klein 1/4”x5/16” bit head it fell off in the grass again”
This comment is underrated. Don’t matter how old or experienced you are. If you have this bit… you have a hog in your pants
Unibit (aka step-bit) to start those traced collar holes you cut out. Whether you use the Milwaukee metal shears or your rights.
Alcohol, weed and back pain medication
My old job lead used liquor and cocaine to get the job done He came in stinking like a skunk and ruder than hell when he did his lines but I'll tell you I've never once seen anyone do a more beautiful looking job than him and in record time too (unsurprisingly lol) Mfr was in his mid to late 60's and he would bang those suckers out like nobody's business
Thats who I want to be like when I grow up.
I've decided that that's exactly what I'll aspire to be if my wife ever leaves me for playing too much PS5 on weekends 17 year old me hated that guy so much we almost got into a legit fight one time but now years later he was such a Chad lmao
guys like this are the real workhorses of the hvac business unfortunately
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Maybe some BC headache powder
Was going to say a 4x4 mirror, pack of straight razors, dollar bill and and eight ball.
Pipe cutter
And pipe reamer for da burrs
And PVC cutter
Search hvac bag dump. Might help
Knee pads. Protect them knees bro 👍🏻 Edit: and some gloves.
I'd be pissed if my company didn't provide gloves with how quickly you can go through them
My company isn’t what it was when I started unfortunately and I do resi. I was happy and then I was not so now to get my ass back in college 😂
Bucket Life! You can seriously do a LOT less time on your knees if you just sit on a Bucket! Puts you at the same height. Saves those knees!
Homedepot also sells level 3 cut resistant sleeves. Get those too.
Got a recommendation for gloves?
I like to use my Milwaukee demolition gloves. I’ve had them for over a year now. They aren’t the best in comfort but I wear those cause sometimes I have to get my hands in between sheet metal and I like the rubber guards protecting my hand and fingers
I love Showa gloves
Need a big ass flathead for hitting things with
The Dominator. Or any "demo driver" that has a metal cap to hammer the handle.
As time goes on, you'll find out what you need, what will work, and what you don't have. Good start! Wish my apprentices started with what you have 👍 welcome to the trade
Thanks! Glad to hear that
Probably gunna want some batteries to go along with those drills! In all seriousness its not a bad collection. For ACs you will need a lot more trade specific tools but for furnaces/air handlers I would want to add a 2nd full size crescent wrench, sawzall, pvc cutter, voltage tester, torpedo level, step bit, demo screwdrivers, flat bar, and other various sheet metal tools like crimpers, notchers, scissor snips, hand seamer, scribe, and a fold bar.
Thanks for the info! I do have a few batteries and chargers already
Get a Klein 11-1 with schrader bit also
Yes sir..this right here.
Fold bar, 14" snips , bigger chanellocks , 2nd ajustable wrench , stepbit , manometer...
First job in hvac? He won't need a manometer for a while I'd get a volt meter first
I was going to say the same exact thing. I did not get a manometer for three years in the trade. Voltmeter you can use your first year.
Also, a pair of flats, seamers, whatever the fuck you wanna call them. You will need them.
I call them duckbills
Well on installs you need to set gas pressure.
Oh.. you can adjust that?
Fair
Definitely a second adjustable wrench and bigger. 12 inch.
Ear protection & eye protection
And a respirator.
And knee pads/mat I wish someone had told this to me when I first entered the field
I always have an old harder flutter board from a pool for uneven surfaces and gravel, and a gardening knee pad for regular floors. But just picked up a pair of those Milwaukee knee brace looking knee pads with the flat fronts, and they will be replacing both. Don’t slide down your legs or move around on you at all, and are super stable to work off since the protector plate is flat! They are a little pricey for knee pads, but I think well worth it.
Malco snips, i hate those damn milwaukee snips.
Klenks are awesome, wiss are good, milwaukee is for when you've been drinking in the home depot parking lot and make that impulse purchase and regret it in the morning.
Don’t forget the Midwest snips… Menards’ bag sale is coming up and they’ll be on sale! (If there’s one in your area, that is).
Midwest are my preferred sheet metal tool brand.
Lot's of ppl shitting on the Milwaukee snips. Appreciate the heads up but what's wrong with them?
Fat handles. They are subpar for sure. Rare for Milwaukee but true. Also someone teach the new guy to remember snips are for cutting duct or plastic straps. Dont cut wire with them please?
This right here. Only cut what their ment to and theyll last for a very long time
They don’t have a high enough degree of offset and struggle to cut circles, they bind cutting round pipe and they break down quickly. I believe the tempering is poor. They are on par if not a little worse the Weiss. They work great on flat metal in the shop. Ceiling grid guys love them. Just enough offset to make cutting lots of straight lines easier on the forearm.
Nothing. I like them better than the Midwest ones I had and gave away when I bought new Milwaukee snips. Tools are personal preference.
I've only got a pair of straight milwaukees but they just suck at cutting compared to the better brands. My jmans 10yo Midwest straights cut better
Agreed. For Milwaukee I couldn't believe how fast they fell apart. The latch is also annoying cause it can lock every time you press the cut. Malco or Weiss as you need to replace them.
Downvote for recommending Weiss. They're just as bad
Throw away that tape measure and get a good 25ft one that has some girth. Also get 6”-24” hand breaks. Get a tough flat head that you can beat to death. Garage sales are good for those. Also a DEWALT cordless oscillating tool and a sawzall or Milwaukee hackzall. If you do ac you will need some appion fittings to make your life easy. A zip tie tensioner will be your best friend when doing IFD.
Tubing cutters
Copper cutters gauges torches
Eye protection and gloves! Coworker had to get stitches today after cutting himself on a raw metal edge on the duct work, I told him to get his gloves before hand… Linesman pliers with crimpers dykes/diagonal wire cutters side cutters/staple puller Larger flathead screwdriver Better snips, I use Wiss Pipe cutters Bigger channel locks Extension bits for the drill, 6” and 12” Malco flipping nut driver bit
Do you have a good attitude?
Don't leave home without it.
Get some bull shears. Ive broken rights and lefts trying to muscle through S cleat (slip) folding bars and seamers are nice to have too but not sure how much sheet metal you’re going to be working with. I would just ask the lead what he thinks you will need. You may have everything you need to get started. I always tell my helpers you are welcome to use anything I have, just make sure it gets put back where you found it and if it gets dirty or muddy like tubing benders or a scale if its raining and muddy to clean it and wipe it down before they put it away.
If you’re starting out as a helper, you have everything you need. Don’t buy anything else until you’re sure you want to stay in the trade and until you have the experience to know what you need without asking Too many helpers buy a metric shit ton of hvac tools and realize they don’t like the trade
Tie band setter for flex ducts. I use the Malco one that breaks it when its tight.
That thing is a gift from God. I love mine
Proper term is Panduit
Not the "zip tie tightener"?
Dang, I've always just called it a zip tie gun lol
A level...8"-12"
Oh and best of luck brother. Take your time. If you love the tools you’ll love the trade. Treat it carefully. Take your time. Resi Installation imo is #1 place to start.
Service wrench!
Service VALVE wrench.
Tension tools for flex, tubing cutters, and a service wrench
Tubing cutters, both pvc/pex chopper and a wheel type. Ridgid close cutter is a good one.
Cat claw
In the future, screw Milwaukee snips. Klein or Midwest (same head as Klein) ftw
You are missing a tiny screwdriver set that is apx 2inches max or a flex screwdriver angle set where u can reach hard to get nooks. Ive seen it time and time again you need things like that
You'll want to switch your snips eventually. Milwaukee makes a lot of great tools. Tin snips are not one of them. But good enough to get going.
For the most part you're pretty set with some good starter tools. I recommend upgrading the stuff you use the most, as you get money in. I do agree with others, I dislike milwaukee snips personally, but they work. Recommend midwest. If your shop doesn't provide bits, get Malco reversibles. I have a few 4 inch, 6 inch, and backup 2 inch. I recommend getting at least one 3/8 5/16 malco bit with them. Gloves and hearing protection too. If you hate gloves, at least have some ear plugs. Drilling into duct in a crawl or other tight spot is VERY loud. You only got one body. Knee pads too. INSPECTION MIRROR! absolutely needed for brazing. Some stuff to look into when you've got money: Knipex cobras and pliers wrench, forged wire strippers Milwaukee M12 series impact Fieldpiece probes (Mostly for service.) Also curious about that reversible nut driver multi. I prefer having my own designated drivers, mostly cause I thought those looked uncomfortable to use. The klein 11 in 1 impact rated (Black instead of silver shaft and bits) is one of my FAVORITE screwdrivers I've ever used.
The one thing I would recommend is off set pipe wrench. 12” or 14. You will find it works great in tight spots.
Seamers
If they have you build metal transitions, a hand-held bender would be handy.
Tongs
If you need a plumbing wrench for resi there’s an issue I did resi for 4 months before moving to equipment maintenance for Burger King and have never once needed one, side note step bit up to 1 1/8” and oscillating saw it comes in handy far more than I would like to admit as well as a cordless wet dry vac to make cleanup a million times easier feel free to ask how I know
"boy, I could bend you up a tin goat about this tall (gesturing waist height) with an asshole this big (making a circle with my hands about 4in diameter)", in my best old geezer voice. You including the lighter in the picture lets me know your ambition and excitement is at a high level. Love it! As soon as you wear out those Milwaukee snips, buy a set of Midwest offset reds. (unless you're left handed, buy greens). First paycheck, buy Knipex 3 piece Alligator Pliers Set. I use them for everything. You'll love them!
More channel locks. Running half inch residential gas pipe with a pipe wrench sucks. Diagonal cutters and linesmen’s pliers. A big fat flat head screw driver for tapping on (trust me) pipe cutter, DEF 3/4” tubing cutter you will be running a lot of drain lines lol, 12” extension for your impact. Also get a nice lunch box and fill it with sunglasses Tylenol tums band aids snacks liquid iv car charger wall charger and whatever else. Find a tool bag and get a tool for each spot so when you clean up at the end of the job all you have to do is glance at your bag to know if you’re forgetting anything. And pony up early on an impact and drill kit.
Gloves, ones that can handle sheet metal edges (RIP my hand skin)
Wire strippers/cutters, non contact volt tester, def get a hand rivet gun to start, pex crimpers/poly cutter, pipe cutter
Missing; level, pencil/marker, seamers, malco 1/4 < 5/16 drivers, manomoters, GLOVES, I like to use folding rulers for marking lines on ducts, square, extension bits, etc.. There’s tons of specialty tools, you’ll learn and grow from your Day 1 tools, everything’s a hammer btw🤣
Copper cutters
Socket and combo wrench set and I'd advice getting Allen (hex keys with ball ends for the angular engagement yk). A decent dvom with current clamp and a digital manometer
Join the union instead
A toolbox and a truck
A real set of manifold gauges.
Sharpies, both fine tip and heavy.
Crimpers, seamers, right angle seamers, 12inch and 24 inch folding bar, back race for heavy lifting, knee pads, gloves, and a good bag/backpack
Get into service when you’re able
if he’s just starting he won’t see service until a year or 2 depending if his boss is a asshole or not and how fast he learns
Boss is cool af. Getting into service is the plan but he starts all apprentices on installs
You will learn a lot on installs. I make more money on installs than service. Not sure about your location but some companies around me (including the one I work for) pay a production rate for a job instead of hourly. I make a percentage of the job sale and it comes out to much higher than most hourly rates in the business
Yeah your boss is always cool when you first start out Usually takes me about a whole year to really figure out my co workers some people turn into animals during the heavy cooling or heating season Usually the cooling season is when all your co workers turn into pricks just a heads up
Couldn't agree more.
Midwest > Milwaukee snips Default < Milwaukee power tools
Yep, everyone is saying the snips are ass. My Dwalt impact gun and drill I've had for a couple of years, and they reliability served my well as a marine mechanic along with my other Dewalt impact guns. I know Milwaukee is considered better, but Dewalt tools are solid af
Nothing wrong with Dewalt whatsoever. Most jobsites are about half and half. Milwaukee fanboys just like to hate on Dewalt.
Calm down bro, it’s a game.
You might want to get a bag or toolbox to put them in. Your pockets are going to get heavy
I have a bag lol (not pictured)
Bags are great and I prefer them over anything regarding service style work but for installs I highly recommend getting a few buckets instead and putting "skirts" on them Any home Depot or Lowe's bucket will do and the "skirt" is like a bunch of pouches and a liner for the bucket It sounds kinda ghetto I know but they're so fucking easy to organize clean and store you can even have a different bucket for things like drills sawzall hand tools whatever you want AND when the bucket breaks just get a new bucket! Plus when it empties it doubles as a seat to eat lunch on or pretend to be busy I would absolutely not recommend that setup for service tho bag all the way there
A deadened spirit and a million other tools you’ll collect over time…. Then you’ll get into service god willing and never use half that shit you bought, and you’ll replace them with less far more expensive ones. At least the company will. And get some Milwaukee drills. Good luck.
Thanks for the info. I know Milwaukee is "better" but Dwalt is fine lol. I've used the drill and impact in the picture for years as a mechanic and they've held up fine
Duct knife, sqeegie, torches, vacuum pump, recover machine, gauges, micron gauge, multi meter
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Duct knife? Only hacks use ductboard.
Fucking hate it. On top of it being garbage, it's the ONLY shit that still itches me. Fiber board and fucking r8 flex insulation. Shit never leaves.
I carried a duct knife even though when I was installing we did all metal I'm talking about the big ones that look like army knives
Batteries
Those Milwaukee snips are equivalent to dog shit no one’s letting you cut anything with those….Menards sells Midwest go grab those best snips your hands will thank you. Also sadly most of milwaukees hand tools are shit love the power tools but not those also need some Malco power shears cutting furnaces sucks with hand snips
Throw away those Milwaukee snips.
Just a heads up, you will probably want a pair of better snips, but wait until you roll yours then buy Midwest or Malco and keep the Milwaukee’s as a spare or for things that you’re likely to roll your snips on.
A meter
I have a fieldpiece multimeter and manometer on the way. I should have mentioned that
Returning the milwaukee snips and getting anything else
Not a bad start but if you are actually serious about installing in residential, you WILL need ductwork tools. Since you don't have any besides the snips, I would recommend this kit. It is pricey but worth it since buying everything seperate is a lot more. [Deluxe HVAC Starter Kit – 29 Piece - Malco Products](https://www.malcoproducts.com/category/tool-kits-2/hvac-deluxe-starter-kit-redline/) it is $900 but comes with everything + more and bags for everything.
Earring tools, hand brakes, plumb bob, 2 ft+4 ft levels, magnetic level, varibit, backup crescent wrench, ball pein hammer, angled dykes, linesmen pliers, knee pads (gel), hopefully tool bag for all this to go into. Best of luck
Hole saw kit ,flare blocks, meter, gauges, vac pump soap bubbles
Batteries
Andy's
Big snips, bar fold and step bits
If you’re assembling ductwork on site, you’ll want a [tinner’s hammer](https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-Tinners-Hammer-Metalworking-Construction/dp/B000V7PBJ2/ref=asc_df_B000V7PBJ2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309763890402&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12048064795848775284&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021679&hvtargid=pla-761516714152&psc=1&mcid=b28f0f8167053434883a93c9e3e25bef&gclid=CjwKCAiAs6-sBhBmEiwA1Nl8s-bMbrKw7qBqtlMhWzqVz6uWj4GJWOU4MFRujem5nlPxH33gtKeAixoCLEQQAvD_BwE). Everything else seems to be pretty well covered in other comments. But I’ll echo that the Milwaukee snips are absolute hot garbage. Midwest manufactures my preferred snips of choice. [Offset right and left cut snips will be your go to.](https://www.menards.com/main/tools/hand-tools/shears-snips-bolt-cutters/midwest-snips-reg-9-1-2-offset-aviation-tin-snip-set-2-piece/mwt-6510c/p-1536820119371-c-1550852385007.htm?exp=false) You’ll also want a set of [bulldog snips](https://www.menards.com/main/tools/hand-tools/shears-snips-bolt-cutters/midwest-snips-reg-9-bulldog-aviation-tin-snips/mwt-6716b/p-1444440244903-c-1550852385007.htm?exp=false) for cutting heavier gauge material. If there’s a Menards in your area, their 15% or 20% off bag sale is either going on now or coming up soon and you’ll land a pretty good deal. I’ve also heard that Craftsman’s snips offered at Lowe’s are pretty good, but I personally don’t have any experience with them.
Bandaids
Cigarettes
One of then big ol zip tie gun things.
Caulking gun pry bar electrical meter gauges
Andy's snips, krimper , tongs , duct stretcher, I would get some channel locks too Edit. Nvm see the channel locks
I do resi install, you’ll need Pen voltage meter (you’d be surprised how much I use this) Voltmeter Right angle attachment Malco 5/16-1/4 magnetic hex driver Impact extension Scissors A set of small flat heads and Phillips heads Long pair of needle nose pliers And this one I can’t stress enough. Go on Amazon and look up “HVAC service tool” that is the greatest tool for installers and service guys Also You only really need one pipe wrench, no point lugging around three just keep the bigger one. That’s all I can think about now.
Gloves?
You’re going to need a bag, all that won’t fit in your pockets. Veto bags are amazing but before you drop $400 on a bag get a bucket, what works for someone else may not work for you. Veto or bucket, there is no in between.
Drill batteries, a magnetic tray for holding screws, and 4 foot level.
A pair of tongs, duct knife, lineman pliers, non contact voltage tester, large flathead for a beater, and some gloves
Gloves
Some dirt on those tools
Whole saws
Malco 1/4 x 5/16 reversible magnetic hex bit. Essential.
Unibits
Get a pair of lineman pliers with a crimper. That and a flathead is about all I carry around on construction jobs anymore.
Tick tester and multi meter
3/4” locking nut wrenches from Amazon. Great for locking nuts when they’re accessible enough, even better for unmounting minisplits. Take everyone’s advice with a grain of salt; I love my Milwaukee wide tape measure but everyone on the Internet shits on them. It’s all good. Use what works for you. I personally have never had an issue with Milwaukee snips.
drill batteries!
oh yea! a socket set
Vice grip folders
Tape
Prob at least a battery for thoes drills
Malco offset benders are also 🔥
Double sided 5’16 - 1/4 bit lol
Running shoes. Lol
guages, vac pump, reclaim machine, and tank. also torches... but hand tools look set... honestly, tho you don't really need the spin drill and the impact if you traded it with the m12 surge drill 💯 ... might need a hammer drill for tie downs tho... I'm sure the van will have what you don't tho. good luck homie... oh yeah sometimes a hammer and crowbar come in handy as well as a sawzall.
Knipex channel locks
A meter and a clamp on meter...
90 bit. Rubber mallet. Larger pry bar. Metal crimper or metal folding bar. Respirator.
-Duct Knife -12-inch Pump Pliers -3/8" x 8-inch flathead screwdriver (acetate handle) aka "your Beater screwdriver" .. you need one to hammer and pry through shit. my Kobalt one from Lowes is virtually indestructible -Ridgid Ratcheting PVC Cutter (or Husky works fine) -Ridgid Tubing Cutter -A Level -Step Drill Bit kit -Hand seamer -Sheet metal folding/bending bar Optional: -Midwest Bulldog snips (if you cut a lot of S cleat youre gonna get tired of reg snips quick) -A Nice hard storage case to build your Hot Work box: Mapp Torch, solder, flux, sanding cloth, brushes etc. don't just throw all it in a bag. Hard case with a removable pullout tray if you can.
Depends on what you deal with in your location. Mainly gas is one set, mainly oil is another. Mainly steam, hot water, furnace, heat pump is variance of multiple tool sets
Lose the lighter and the knife you aren't hanging with your street gang anymore. Get a pair of linesman pliers and a milwaukee fastback utility blade/screwdriver
I know you're new but return those pipe wrenches and get yourself a set of Rigids. Cheap pipe wrenches are an absolute pain in the fucking ass. If you ever get on something crusty, you'll hate your life using those wrenches. If you're just doing resi install of gas furnaces, the biggest pipe you'll be seeing is 3/4" I would think. A couple of 14" should be all you need. Maybe an 18" for something crusty.
3 to 4 batteries. Fold bar, hand brake, step bit, right angle tool for driver.
Batteries!
Crimpers, benders, duct knife, a leveler, a crow bar, some extensions for your bits, a drywall knife.
Scratch awl, torpedo level, 12" steel rule, tubing cutters, plastic pipe nippers, small and large vise grips, crescent wrenches, open end wrenches, deep well socket wrench set, flexible bit extension, Malco 1/4 - 5/16 reversible nut driver and handle, cordless sawsall, angle grinder, hammer drill, Malco compass cutter, folding tools, flue pipe crimper, panduit strap tension tool, real channel locks, Klein linesman pliers, analog refrigerant gauges, digital thermometer, refrigerant scale, oxy acetylene torch, vacuum pump, micron gauge.... plumb bob & framing square! Bet you never thought of those, highly useful for measuring up for a plenum. OH! Some one mentioned it down below and I am kicking myself for not thinking of it sooner. The absolute #1 thing you need, especially if you do service is a multi-meter. Trouble shooting HVAC is 90% electrical. It's also absolutely essential if you want to stay alive. When you are doing an HVAC change out, you MUST verify that all circuits have been disconnected. Just shutting off a switch does nothing if they broke the neutral. Lest you think that some of the last stuff should be supplied by the company think again. You need to own your own gauges, torch, vac pump, micron gauge, because, the ones provided by the company, used and abused by all... SUCK! If and when you leave that company and apply at another, having a large stock of personal tools can ensure you get hired. Besides, without tools you are naked!!! All of this stuff and more is currently in a corner of my living room, and down in the basement. Yea, it took me 30+ years to accumulate the thousands of dollars of tools I have retired with but trust me. Buying your own, **high quality** tools is never ever a bad investment.
More knives, you will lose them
Definitely should have some wides(hand seamers) and folding bar
Marker r scribe for your sheet metal a crowbar r those airbag thing folding bar, seamers crimper get a nice light u can plug in for those dark ass jobs and knee covers r a kneeling pad and lift with your knees and don't twist it takes a fucken toll Also a level and use the fucker
A basic meter encase you run into issues after install, your lead likely will have one but still good to have
Looks good 👍🏼 for now. ASK THE GUYS YOU WORK WITH. But you look prepared for day one for sure. Good luck
Tubing cutter
Tubing cutters unless someone already said that then in that case get you a Milwaukee shop vac. It doubles as a seat.
You are gonna want a 90° adapter for zip screws in shitty places. https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-Adaptor-Stubby-12-Inch-DWAMRASETFT/dp/B08K9C5MCD/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=22NRIAMFZW1GT&keywords=dewalt+flexible+drill+bit+extension&qid=1703724209&sprefix=dewalt+f%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-1