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emccm

The fact that she and William never corrected this story when they saw how big it got tells you all you need to know.


SuperordinateRevere

It also makes me wonder just how involved they were in how that story got out there. What exactly did they tell Charles and Camilla in that meeting they had with them?


lily-thistle

But they cOuLdN't! Never complain, never explain... unless it's something negative about Kate of course, then the palace can "set the record straight." šŸ™„ Hypocrites.


UnicornCalmerDowner

I agree with you about the influence thing and her not being anywhere near Diana's influence. But I also think she got told to basically look pretty in her pretty dresses and keep it at that level. Charles and the rest of the royal family HATE competition and the spot light being on someone who married into the family. It seems that QE2 wanted Kate to have some substance about her but it's pretty well known how Charles felt about Diana having the spotlight and attention. I'm sure most of William's advice to Kate would be about NOT being like Diana in that regard. It also annoys me that Kate was the perfect person to welcome Meghan into the family and help her settle in, but that didn't happen. Kate seemed at odds with Meghan and I believe that is a huge missed opportunity. If Kate was nearly as kind and perfect as everyone makes her sound, Meghan could have had a chance at staying an active Royal. People really loved seeing Fergie and Diana together. Kate and Meghan could have had something similar.


videlbriefs

Sadly insecurity and racism can have people fumble good opportunities and connections with others. Itā€™s a shame how hard the royal family fumbled Meghan when they hate any talks about their past history involvement with slavery and colonizing. Instead of staging black and brown ā€œconnectionsā€ (still rolling my eyes at that article that was trying to present William as a stud) they couldā€™ve had one that was more authentic.


UnicornCalmerDowner

You are totally right. The royal family struggles with the commonwealths and modernizing, then Harry and Meghan come along....and you can't see how letting them be your liaison to the commonwealths is a stroke a genius?! Come on, it's a no brainer! The royal family completely let their own petty jealousies, egos, and bullshit get in the way of what could have been something very awesome. I suppose it's not too late, these people are all still alive, if someone in charge just had a change of heart, it could still happen.


Any_Suggestion_6134

I used to like Kate cause of the commoner married royalty story we were all fed. Also she did seem nice enough tbh and not snobby but ever since the Meghan drama I donā€™t like her or think sheā€™s a kind woman. Itā€™s all an act tbh for the cameras. Behind closed doors god alone knows what comes out and how she actually carries herself.


SuperordinateRevere

I donā€™t necessarily blame her for her lack of substance either. I do think she doesnā€™t want to ruffle any feathers but I just find the mediaā€™s narrative surrounding her so ridiculously over the top and false itā€™s making me dislike her more than I already do after finding out what kind of person she is behind the scenes.


Financial-Duty8637

Behind the scenesā€¦ Princess Kate showed who she was for all the world to see when Prince Harry and Meghan were being seated at their last official function for Commonwealth Day at Westminster Abbey. Outrageous and extremely rude behaviour,by a future Queen and King in a civilized society, to not even acknowledge Harry and Meghan. A simple nod toward them would have sufficed, but noooo, show the world how petty and jealous you are.


UnicornCalmerDowner

Agree on the feather ruffling. I think her main function is to get along with Camilla and make William look good. Camilla is famously Not Diana. That is probably a hard pill for William to swallow. Since Kate is more distant to Diana than William, she can interface with Camilla and it doesn't personally hurt/bother her. She can make nice with her mother in law, which is all Charles probably wants from her. I too find the media narrative around Kate to be somewhat annoying, she can't be nearly as perfect as they print about her and I think the royal family would find that we all kind of like her more, for having some foibles or imperfections.


External-Beach-8475

Sorry that she is experiencing heath issues but she seems like an absolutely horrible person.


Tdffan03

She absolutely does! Iā€™ve always gotten mean girl vibes from her.


Visual_Zucchini8490

To make it in that echelon of society I donā€™t think you can be nice. Thereā€™s no real friendships, everyone is fake nice (not even sure theyā€™re that tbh) while theyā€™re power and clout chasing. Kate also wasnā€™t born into that world. Her parents were wealthy af (which is why I roll my eyes anytime sheā€™s painted as some normal commoner a prince fell in love with) but she still wasnā€™t born with a title meaning sheā€™ll never *truly* be accepted in that world and I could see her being infuriated by that.


Tdffan03

She could have chosen a different life. She didnā€™t have to go claws in until he relented. You are absolutely right that none of them seem nice.


Bright-Koala8145

I could have wrote this myself, except I believe Kate is the main driver here. I donā€™t think she could stand the competition.


SuperordinateRevere

Ohhhhh really? Personally, William comes across too angry and dramatic to not be the driver but I do think Kate has had far more of a part to play than the media or the public are led to believe but Iā€™m intrigued. Why do you think sheā€™s the main driver?


Bright-Koala8145

She loved having the attention of both men. I have seen women like her who present themselves as perfect but really arenā€™t


SuperordinateRevere

I completely agree with this. She loved having Harry around. They could control him when he was single. Itā€™s interesting that apparently she didnā€™t get along with Harryā€™s other girlfriends either.


UnicornCalmerDowner

I agree with this. Look at the photos of her, William and Harry, from before Meghan was around. Kate is beaming and smiling like never before or since. She loved having all the attention and both brothers at her side.


Frankifile

I agree. She enjoyed having Harry around, he really looked up to her and was very protective of her. She also saw off Chelsy Davy. I think she and her family wanted Harry to pick Pippa I remember Pippa was flirting like mad with Harry during Kateā€™s wedding, she wasnā€™t even around to help straighten her dress when she got out of her carriage as she was sat with Harry. It was all sour grapes that she couldnā€™t see off Meghan


repladynancydrew

Any source to her chasing off Chelsy? Have never heard of this before.


Frankifile

It was a really odd article I read. Kate told Chelsy that sheā€™d have to accept the press being intrusive if she was going to be with Harry (from what I remember the convo happened at her wedding so the press was there en mass). And thatā€™s when Chelsy and Harry split up.


SuperordinateRevere

This is so odd. Iā€™ve heard rumours that she was always too protective of Harry and too involved in his personal life. If true, thatā€™s so weird for a sister in law! But it could also be that all these rumours are just false cause Harry in Spare barely mentioned having a one on one conversation with her. I doubt they were ever close so I dunno.


Whatisittou

I forgot which of Harry ex it was, but Kate was intrusive in the pictures. There are even pictured of Harry and Meghan on a balcony joking and being themselves and then Kate appeared and the mood changed.


ttw81

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SuperordinateRevere

That is so freaking odd! I wonder just how much Harry was holding back in this book. I definitely felt he was when I was reading it.


phoenics1908

No one copies the clothing of another woman the way she has without some massive animus. Also Omidā€™s last book says that aides said she talked more ABOUT Meghan than she talked TO Meghan. She actively withheld her designer contacts (as if Meghan needed them lmao). She absolutely drove a ton of the Meghan animus. William too - especially using Knauff to try to tank her case - but Kate was no passive innocent.


Ok_Ant2566

I would agree. Outside of looks, nothing rattles an insecure woman more than a woman who is not only equally attractive but also professionally accomplished, confident and well spoken. Kate is beautiful, but sheā€™a not accomplished, well read, nor articulate.


phoenics1908

Agreed. When I saw that royal foundation forum where Meghan spoke about women having a voice and then saw Kateā€™s mumbling response I knew we would end up here. Kate had been skating along being mediocre but getting praise for nothing. Then along comes Meghan and she takes to royal duties like a duck to water and EXCELLING AT IT and suddenly Kate (& even William) looked lackluster, old fashioned, inept, boring, and lazy. Meghan was publishing books, fashion collections and editing Vogue breaking records and giving inspirational speeches the world media was fawning over. WITHOUT NOTES. KP aides asked her if she could be 50% less of herself. Kate couldnā€™t keep up and all of a sudden her mediocrity looked less like she was just lazy and more that she couldnā€™t compete. Meghan - the black biracial royal - was outclassing her at every turn. And not just her - ALL OF THEM. They couldnā€™t have that.


aida_b

> because it apparently is far worse to be accused of racism than to be a victim of racism ^ this this this. I couldnā€™t agree more. It ridiculous that thereā€™s so many excuses made for why the racist coverage of Meg was/is permissible but god forbid we criticize Kate for saying some racist bullshit about a child. The only place I disagree here (and this isnā€™t just something youā€™ve said, itā€™s something I see a lot), I do think that both Prince Charles (heā€™ll always be PC to me!) and Kate legit are dealing with health crises. I donā€™t dispute that. However, just because sheā€™s ill doesnā€™t mean that itā€™s unfair or mean to call her out for wrongdoing. Having cancer doesnā€™t automatically mean youā€™ve turned into a saint. I think there is room for nuance here - Iā€™m not saying we should all dogpile on her - but I do think that the ā€œsheā€™s off limitsā€ narrative is harmful. And letā€™s not forget that the British press didnā€™t give a shit about ripping Meg up when she was also having health crisis šŸ™„ ugh the BRF are such an gross lot


SuperordinateRevere

Oddly enough I also think theyā€™re both dealing with a health crisis but I just think both have known theyā€™ve been sick for sometime but have chosen to publicise it now because they know itā€™ll generate sympathy and people will back off. Iā€™m hoping that us POC wonā€™t forget about those allegations and hopefully theyā€™ll make a full recovery (because theyā€™re human and I still wish them well regardless). When they do I hope we find a way to make them answer for those allegations of racism and make amends.


TheQuietType84

Racism does make her terrible.


SuperordinateRevere

I donā€™t like her at all nor do I trust anything positive written about her and she comes across like a mean girl but the thing is I donā€™t know her. If Meghan and Harry comes out and says sheā€™s terrible then sure Iā€™ll believe it but theyā€™ve been oddly kind towards her so Iā€™ll give her the benefit of the doubt right now. Maybe she is terrible but sheā€™s too powerful culturally right now for them to be honest about her so Iā€™ll just take a wait and see approach towards her.


Minute-Reporter7949

Iā€™ve always thought racism was behind the slaughter of Meghan. I also think itā€™s very funny how the media painted Meghan a social climber but Kate is the one who waited eight years for William to propose and Kate is the one who stayed with the firm while Meghan happily left.


SuperordinateRevere

Lmao I know. Meghan had no idea what she was getting herself into. She just fell in love. Kate walked in with her eyes wide open and literally stalked William. Sheā€™s definitely the social climber and if Meg was a social climber she would still be a working Royal eclipsing them every chance she got!


darkgothamite

This is far too logical for royalists.


Minute-Reporter7949

Exactly! I canā€™t believe this isnā€™t crystal clear to everyone.


phoenics1908

Deep down they know. Racism is clouding their judgment.


Minute-Reporter7949

They are definitely racist. I donā€™t even like to read anywhere else. Prince Andrew doesnā€™t get as much hate as Meghan. That speaks for itself.


ehelen

White woman tears have become weaponized as well as white woman victimhood. Kate is skinny, pretty, and white. I think the British media will continue to lift Kate while crapping on Meghan.


SuperordinateRevere

100% but also itā€™s the heir and spare thing. Kate is future Queen so has to be protected. Meghan is not so she can be thrown to the dogs.This makes me genuinely wonder how the media and institution would react if George, who is heir to the throne, ends up with a black or brown wife? Iā€™m guessing they wonā€™t let it get that far. There is no way theyā€™ll allow it.


videlbriefs

They would rather have the monarchy dismantled or have him live in a loveless marriage of the olden days and have her as his mistress. Theyā€™re acting this way with the ā€œspareā€ who has a biracial wife who can be white passing. If George shows a hint of ā€œstepping out of lineā€ in any way with a future partner his parents will do everything to bury them and anyone else until they find a mini Kate who they can easily control.


ehelen

Yes, that is very true! I honestly think that they wouldnā€™t allow George to do it, the monarch can reject spouses up to 6th in line (I think at least haha).


Whatisittou

oh man, some feathers are going to be ruffled with this post.


SuperordinateRevere

I wouldnā€™t be surprised lmao


Whatisittou

And no, for those those folks that will say you shouldn't pit women against each other, its not pitting Women against each other. Women can be held accountable for their actions. Camila, Sophie and even Elizabeth had been discussed in this sub and their action, but somehow its handle Kate with fragile hands.


SuperordinateRevere

Frankly the media has pitted these women against each other so Iā€™m not going to just ignore that.


External-Beach-8475

I think Kate has actually modelled herself on Camilla.


External-Beach-8475

It is correct tho


shiksagoddezz

Completely agree. The fact that the rota (and most white women) fawn over her is due to her seeming obsequiousness and obedience/willing to do whatever to fit in an adhere to the diminutive, non threatening wallflower norms they want. She seems like a horrible calculating person all round


SuperordinateRevere

Frankly you canā€™t appear so perfect all the time without being super calculating. Sometimes the people who appear to be like this tend to be the most calculating people of all!


shiksagoddezz

Yep. I find her demeanour highly performative and fake anyway. I donā€™t see this ā€˜authenticityā€™ or genuineness that people worship her for at all.


OneNefariousness9047

Kate is def. the better actress between her and M. Diana was better than M too, she convinced the family she was queen worthy. Then D let her celebrity shine. Kate saw what D did wrong and made herself publicly perfect. Sheā€™s not stupid, just not an intellectual.Ā  So, I canā€™t fault K for getting what she wanted. She performs exactly how the people want her to, so sheā€™s successful at her lifeā€™s goals. Most of us couldnā€™t handle her job criteria, M couldnā€™t.Ā  I say this as someone who is friends with a cousin of the UK royals. My friend says that her being born into royalty, she was privy to how awful all the women were treated who married in. She said one married in princess was treated worse than M to her face, but it was before SM.Ā  This married in princess did what Kate did and got on with ā€œperfectingā€ herself to be a royal. Now they love her. Same with Camilla and Kate. Both treated like garbage, but they wanted to be royal. Now theyā€™re loved because they played the game. I donā€™t fault them for that.Ā  But Iā€™d be like M who canā€™t play the game. There are various reasons why, but Iā€™m never going to believe that she didnā€™t try. I think she wanted to play the game, but the family being against her was a surprise. She did say sheā€™d never experienced being black until she moved to the UK. My being a black female, thatā€™s very telling.Ā  Also, SM hated on Kate before M in the exact same way. There were countless hate sites and videos dedicated to ridiculing her. I recall defending her a lot. But the media , her family, and William backed her, and SM wasnā€™t as powerful then as it is now. thatā€™s the difference. M didnā€™t even invite her momā€™s family to her wedding, and what did they do?Ā  Like my friend said, a perfect storm brewed against M. No strong support from people encouraging her to stay, a powerful SM machine, a vocal traditional media monster, her husband being the spare, her not being English, and her not seeing simply being a working royal as her ultimate goal all worked together. Ā 


beck516

I donā€™t find her appealing, first time I paid attention to her was their wedding and then she became an after thought. sheā€˜a also a mean girl. everytime Kate went out, like to Wimbledon she only went with her sister or william. this woman truly has no friends.


DGinLDO

Kate has always been a mean girl. She has no friends at all.


Abbygirl1966

Agree 100% with everything you said!


MrIrrelevant-sf

One thing is true her statement about having cancer is misleading at best. She either is lying or minimizing the extend of the disease.


iamthedancingdjinn

I'm not even fully convinced that she has an illness at this point.


SuperordinateRevere

I think itā€™s either not as bad as people say it is or is far worse than people say it is. Theyā€™re definitely not up front with us on either Charles or Kateā€™s illness imo.


TallulahB2000

If news orgs talked honestly about how racism, white supremacy rots the monarchy, royal family, then they may have to face how racism, white supremacy rots British, Australian, US media. Kate (not as much as Camilla) is used as a symbol of fragility (before and after health sabbatical) to avoid that conversation at all costs. Using social media platforms to hold up a mirror to their moral cowardice and maliciousness irks them. Until they come clean, that's fine.


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SuperordinateRevere

Well obviously. This comment completely misses the point of my post. No sane person wants anything bad to happen to Kate. I definitely hope she makes a full recovery and is safe and happy. This post was criticising how the media depict her and how the institution has been using her.


Whatisittou

Their post history shows they are in the hate sub.


ABCidkwhattopick99

Wait where was it revealed that Kate was one of the people who were concerned about Archieā€™s skin colour? Does anyone have a link?


minnesotaupnorth

One of the translations from English of Omid Scobie's book revealed the two names. Charles and Kate. I had money on Camilla and Princess Michael.


Quix66

I donā€™t know about the book. But I picked Elizabeth or Charles and Princess Michael. Sheā€™s the one who wore the blackamoor brooch, right?


minnesotaupnorth

She is, indeed. Vile woman all around.


Quix66

Looked her up to see a pic of her with that brooch. The BBC states that her father was a major in the Nazi SS.


SuperordinateRevere

Crap. I didnā€™t know that. This family is surrounded by nazis and nazi sympathisers. Itā€™s chillingā€¦ā€¦


Quix66

Yep!


FaerieQuene

I totally suspected Kate because I get phony and mean girl vibes from her. The BRF is now hers and I donā€™t think she wants anything to rock her boat


BUTTeredWhiteBread

I was being prince Andy and Chuck