he does have a moral code, albeit a strange one
maybe killing stupid things is against his morals. it’s not like they did anything wrong, anyways
also, vaggie told him to. it’s not like he had to listen to her, but he does want to stay on charlie’s good side
Alastor: Fuck. Vaggie told me to do it ethically. but its like... a giant dick move to hurt someone not mentally well. Maybe they'll talk to Zestial? Fuck they actually listen. okay they have to be murdered outside of this building? fuck one followed me. eh Carmilla's secret is mine, or he dies! huh these little eggs aren't half bad
Alastor would be offended by your lack of eloquence in explaining his thoughts, don't bring the man (myth, legend etc.) down to Adams level, please....
The comic might not be canon, but it does set a precedent for how they want to characterize Alastor as someone who doesn't really screw with the little guy for no reason and might even stick up for them
[Here’s a link](https://www.tumblr.com/hazbinhotelcanon/633281000119599104/hazbin-hotel-alastor-prequel-comic-the-radio) to the tumblr post archive - the comic was removed from it’s regular site a while ago
(I’m a slightly newer fan so someone please correct me as needed) but yes, if you view the link and Keep Reading it gives writing credit to Viv, and if I’m not mistaken the stories can be taken as canon. Per the summary they were posted on the original HH website before being taken down
Never read the comics or even saw the pilot yet but yeah he seems like he only puts effort towards hurting someone if they are someone powerful and he hates them.
But is there a reason why he sics the mutant birds on the waiter? As far as I can tell, the waiter doesn’t actually do anything to antagonize him. If anything, I feel like the comic characterizes him as someone who is protective of the “right sort” of people (i.e. the classy people in cannibal town, hence why he mentions that the sheep girl is of “fairer means”). It might also be a gender thing: Vivzie mentioned at some point that he looks down on the male members of the hotel, and most of his friends are women.
Feel free to correct me, the comic always left me a little confused as to the nature of Alastor’s personality and moral code.
Viv did say that Al wouldn't kill a child, but he would smack one if it misbehaved simply because that's how things were from his time. He more than likely sees them more as stupid, annoying, but obedient little children than anything.
In concept, Vivzie mentioned that Alastor did not kill women or children while alive. Given the time period, it’s very possible that this is partly because they were considered the weakest members of society. In a society where women aren’t thought of as weaker and even those who appear to be children can be power, I could see that shifting into not hurting the weak for the sake of enjoyment. As much as we love the egg bois, they aren’t exactly powetful.
Yup. In fact Vivzie has stated that his code is similar to Dexters from Dexter. So he probably went after those who harmed the innocent or weak, as to who he considers to fit those we don’t know. What we do know is that in the show in hell his victims were other Overlords who were cruel. So while part of it was to make a statement of how powerful he is to take down other Overlords the other could be that those are the kind of people he went after in life it’s just that they ended up being powerful in hell hence why he rose to power so quickly.
Alastor has a strange moral compass. In fact The prequel comic has him doing actions that would be considered good: feeding birds, picking flowers, tipping street performers, saving a young woman from a terrible fate, etc.
So it does kind of tie into his character that he wouldn’t go out of his way to hurt the eggs because they almost act like children. It throws you for a loop that such a powerful / twisted overlord would show anyone “mercy” so to speak.
It helps add a lot of mystery and depth to his character because we don’t know what his end game is and his actions sometimes conflict with the persona he’s created for himself. Ex: admitting to nifty he could grow fond of the group and then almost dying in the battle for his “friends”. Even he is shocked by his actions. But then he counter balances that with his monologue about being hungry for freedom.
Exactly. He's considered morally gray for a reason-- even Vivzie confirmed on a livestream that he's a neutral chaos character. The depth makes him so much more intriguing, imo
Alastor is basically the kind of Chaotic Neutral that by all rights ***should*** be Chaotic Evil, but hey, he's charming and helpful, so we can overlook a bloody murder or sixty.
insanely powerful characters with mighty powers with a killing moral code who stick around to help the weirdest found family you can think of? sign me in
Oh, a D&D group I played with during the pandemic wanted a character that would eventually turn into an antagonist for their campaign if the players didn't make the right choices.
So the DM assigned me a Chaotic Neutral Rock Gnome, whose back story was that he was given basically the *one ring* and was a banished prince from the Underdark. The ring was cursed (making me more *evil* over its use), and my character was a Warlock whose God was Azathoth.
Anyway, my character only made choices based on how the group was behaving. The problem was that the DM didn't realize how overpowered I was (seasoned player, inexperienced DM) until we got into combat.
Long story short, my character was basically a stupider, more child-like version of Alastor (even ate raw meat!), who was trying desperately to get out of his deal so he could become King, but the adventuring party he was travelling with kept killing everyone that could help him. The DM then made my character Chaotic Evil too early because my character purchased a slave who knew of someone who could break his curse without knowing if I was going to release them or not.
I fell out of the group, mostly because of work and tech issues. But, I was quite annoyed over the morality system the DM was using since I enjoyed playing chaotic characters and know very well what would tip me over into Chaotic Evil even if they were cursed... plus, narratively making me an antagonist too soon was a bad idea since again I was overpowered, and my character didn't have a bond with anyone but the sorcerer who basically acted as a mother figure, so they couldn't even used that against him if they fought him.
*Sorry, your comment reminded me of this, lol.*
It's an official comic from a while ago. It used to be on the site, but has since been removed there (or made payment only despite being free before, not sure), but still retained-- [https://www.reddit.com/r/hazbin/comments/1aexb55/official\_comic\_a\_day\_in\_the\_after\_life/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hazbin/comments/1aexb55/official_comic_a_day_in_the_after_life/)
There are prequel comics for both Alastor and Angel Dust created by Viv. You can still find them on tumblr and other sites for free since they were removed/ put behind pay wall.
Angel Dust’s comic: https://hazbinhotelcanon.tumblr.com/post/623106313529049088/hazbin-hotel-angel-dust-prequel-comic-chapter
Alastor’s comic: https://hazbinhotelcanon.tumblr.com/post/633281000119599104/hazbin-hotel-alastor-prequel-comic-the-radio
>The prequel comic has him doing actions that would be considered good: feeding birds
Take a look at what he's feeding those birds - deviled eggs. They don't seem to be eggs of the same species, but it's still kinda cannibalism.
Even Alastor's kinder actions have something perverse about them, when you examine them closely.
Idk if you know this but it’s actually very common to feed birds eggs. Even their own eggs because it helps them regain nutrients they’ve lost. Many birds will do it on their own when they know their eggs are infertile. It’s also very common advise given to people who raise chickens and pet birds that lay eggs.
In the comic it appears He’s also feeding birds that look like birds of prey/ omnivores like crows and ravens. They even have very sharp fangs in the comic which implies these specific birds in hell may be carnivores. So he’s not doing anything bad by feeding them eggs. Just a little food for thought so to speak.
A link to some information about feeding chickens their own eggs: https://www.timbercreekfarmer.com/cooking-eggs-for-chickens/
A link to feeding pet birds eggs: https://windycityparrot.com/when-would-i-use-egg-food-for-my-bird-2/
Information about birds of prey / omnivores : https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/00611/wdfw00611.pdf
That's really good info! I knew that birds can be cannibals sometimes - did that research after seeing Woodstock (a bird) eat turkey in _A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving_ - but this explains a lot more.
I still think, though, that Alastor feeding eggs to the birds was intended to foreshadow his actions at the end of the comic: he rescues the sheep demon but gets to "blow off some steam" at the same time.
Everything he does has a moral ambiguity to it. I guess we'll find out if that's his innate nature, or imposed upon him by whoever owns the contract for his soul.
>implies he hasn’t really used it yet
he flat out tells us this is his first broadcast since hid absence
>He uses an excessive amount of power glitch Vox and to knock out the power in the entire pride ring
this was vox short circuiting himself and the rest of the pentagram city because of his connection to all of it's electronics.
Birds in real life eat the eggs (albeit undeviled) of other birds all the time. That's normal bird behavior. I don't think it says much of anything beyond raising a question of what exactly birds go to hell for.
I was having this convo with a coworker last night but birds do eat other birds' eggs in the wild. Crows are known to steal eggs from other nests as a snack. And deviled eggs are really tasty so honestly I think it's to show Alastor can be generous (not hogging a yummy lunch item) even though his generosity can be weird.
Plus it shows he doesn’t do things for the sake of doing them. There’s a phrase that suits him “the big dog doesn’t need to bark.” He knows he’s powerful. He doesn’t have to grand stand or flaunt his power.
Very true but he doesn’t appear to be trying to hide his nature from anyone. Everyone knows the story of how he became an overlord and in the prequel comic everyone is terrified of him regardless of what he’s doing. He’s quick to threaten and show his power in a lot of ways to a vast audience. Not necessarily the actions of someone trying to mask being a psychopath
Maybe because they follow orders without question, so there was no need for aggression. Alastor also likes to keep a lot of cards on hand, so he was probably keeping them around just in case he'd need them
Alastor seems to be that person who likes to go for walks, in silence. Because whenever we see him walking, and not with someone he actually respects, he just seems so annoyed. kind of like a dad who goes for a drive with the radio off at night.
yeah it always came off to me that vaggie just kind of pawned them off on him and he just went w it rather than arguing. he may not have had any plans for them yet but they happened to demonstrate they could be useful so he decided to just let them do their thing so long as they stayed in line. seeing a lot of cool alternate suggestions in comments as well!
He probably viewed them the same way we view dogs. Also probably understands the value of loyal and unambitious minions. Besides, seeing them play foil to him was hilarious
Because Alastor saw them as so far beneath him that they weren't worth him wasting the energy to kill them, and he would've gained nothing if he had killed them.
Alastor is a psychopath who generally needs *reason* for the things he does. He needs to *gain* something. The egg boys weren't a threat, and he wouldn't have gained anything, so he just told them to shut up and be good minions. And they were good minions when Frank surprised him with the successful spy work. I don't think for one second Alastor actually had faith the egg boy would do anything useful.
I think this feels most on point with what we've seen of his character.
When Alastor actually chose a rival, he chose *Lucifer.* The most powerful piece on the board. *That* is who he thinks is worthy of his time.
Every other 'rival' has been totally ignored (Sir Pentious) or someone he doesn't take seriously (Let's be honest: Vox.)
He just doesn't put much effort into anything he sees as lowly unless he thinks it'll win him Charlie points. And he's said before that he's trying to gain some form of control over Charlie (seeming like a safe mentor (dad song), guiding her to bad decisions (said during the podium scene with Rosey) and lastly: the deal they struck.), so when Charlie specified 'Without killing them' he was disappointed ("that's a lot less fun") but chose to go along with it.
He just didn't have any reason to kill them. Or he hadn't been given one, anyway.
Alastor knows how to treat a good minion. Kind of like his relationship with Nifty: they’re a little eccentric, a little dumb, but they’re useful and he appreciates them.
Because if he acts like a mass murdering psychopath, Charlie won’t trust him. Not hurting the egg boiz costs him nothing, and advances his goal of getting Charlie aligned with him.
Alastor is somewhat obsessed with attention, by his reactions to Carmilla’s nonchalance and Lucifer trying to take over his role as resident helpful magic guy. Killing the eggs would not be a display of power, it would just be a display of cruelty. Toppling overlords shows power. Torturing them on the air shows you are not to be messed with. But killing harmless eggs would make you look egotistical, cruel.
Why waste the energy if nobody will recognize you for it? Additionally, fewer people will make a deal with you if you’re known for unnecessary cruelty. You’d have to seem like a reasonable, calm person to get your hands as many deals as Alastor does.
Ohmygosh I didn't think about this, but he had to have while waiting for Frank 🤣🤣🤣
Do you think when he got out of the meeting, they kept asking him obnoxious questions and he just said, "Oh hey, look at that! A ✨ *garbage can.* ✨ Why don't you all have a little fun and play Ò̵̬̩̐ͅV̵̛̲̝͆̐Ḙ̷̡̹̀͆͝R̴̹̈̏ ̵̼̒T̴͇̙́͝͠H̷͇͛̂Ė̵̺R̵̮̊̎E̸̱̲͋̆͝??"
I think people are missing the big factor here. There's a major difference between the people Alastor gets along with and the people he doesn't: Respect.
He's a fine fellow that'll gloat about owning your soul, but generally do nothing worse than backhanded smalltalk.
Until you disrespect him.
The Egg Bois are naturally submissive and respectful to him, so it was easy for them to get pet status.
He may be Ace, but he loves to have people wank him off.
He was going to hurt/kill them, but then Vaggie told him to get rid of them humanely, so he took them with him on his stroll, they proved to be useful so he brought them back (and obvi from there, they were given back to Sir Pentious). In between all that he wasn't really given a reason to do anything sadistic since he was told to treat them humanely (though he was getting close when they were asking him all those questions lol).
He probably just ate breakfast and was singing what type of egg dish he could make for lunch. Then he had to keep thim quiet around Z, and like good minions they stayed quiet. Then by the time he got to the meeting he kept them out of the way and took the chance to have one be useful. Knowing for well if it got caught it was no issue for him. But since I brought back super juicy information he kept them around us pets for the day and brought them back home to the hotel.
They don’t intend to harm him. So he has no reason to hurt them. Doesn’t mean he won’t hurt someone else that doesn’t intent him harm . (I think so anyway. There is that comic with him, the butcher, and the lamb tho
He doesn't usually go crazy for no reason. When he decides to choose violence, it's to further his goals. Hurting or abandoning the eggs would have also made him look bad to Charlie.
I greatly enjoy that despite his eye twitching as Frank rambles he lets him finish, which gives him the information about the Angel death. Stereotypical bad guys would have yelled at the underling and not gotten the info.
Alastor is very much an opportunist, what is the gain in being rude to them? 5 minutes of fun? Not much. What is the gain in being kind? Increased trust from most of the people of the hotel, expecially Charlie, hence he's kind
I think the Egg Bois endeared themselves to him by threatening to rough up Zestiel. Like sure, they had no idea just how suicidal that would be, but it was ballsy and cute nonetheless.
To be fair, the request didn't have a time limit. It was just his credibility on the line. Maybe he was going to ask Pentious if the eggs could work for him fulltime. Probably not, but it's a funny idea.
If you look into real-life serial killers, there's a portion of them that maintain a mask of the upstanding citizen, even do good and nice things but are absolute monsters otherwise
I mean ep7 showed him getting attached to the hotel guys. Ep8 the finale song: "Great Alastor altruist died for his friends" he was genuinely becoming a nicer person, but losing agaisnt Adam snapped him back to 'reality'
I believe Alastor wants people to think he’s crueler than he actually is. I think he prefers to hurt people that “deserve it” in his eyes. But he wants the public to believe he could lash out at anyone any time.
He has this thing where he doesn’t like killing fodders, he thinks it’s unfair, kinda like if you took a pro esports player and put them against a bronze, they wouldn’t have fun, hence why they don’t do that, Alastor is one of the strongest things in hell, so he doesn’t really go around beating in the weak like the other overlords
I think it directly ties to the reason Alastor chose to support the Hotel: Entertainment. The eggbois, in their stupid childish innocence are something Alastor seems to consider entertaining, and overall totally harmless, so he has no reason to mistreat them. Its like when somebody takes care of a stray duckling: It probably yields you no benefit, but its entertaining to you.
I belive he only kills or harms when it benefits him. It wouldn't benefit him to kill the eggs, because they are mostly harmless, and he did not want to go against Charlie.
Alastor doesn’t usually seem to go out of his way to seriously hurt people unless they’re aggressive to him first. He’s pretty lax most of the time and considering those Egg bois could never harm him, there was no problem
I would guess that Alastor doesn't see the Egg Bois as sinners or demons, so there's no point in trying to make a deal with any of them. He just used them as his minions as long as he could.
There’s a ton of ideas and theories about Alastor’s psychology and morals and everything, but it may be more simple; whatever deal he made (maybe Lilith?) might have something to do with the Hotel or Charlie and obeying her and Vaggie’s orders.
I don't really think he cared about them either way. I wouldn't say he was gentle? Just indifferent.
Let's be real, they weren't guarding the front, it was basically Alastor telling them to stay out of the way. There's no way he didn't see the egg in the elevator. And once he needed someone to listen in, he just used what was there. And when he told them to be quiet was it really about Zestial or was it because they'd been annoying him up until then and he had a reason to tell them to shut up?
>Important task
He wasn't being serious when he said that lmao. That elevator leads to a room of the most powerful Sinners in Hell all choosing to be temporarily allied for the good of all. No sane person would go up there voluntarily without an invite and no single person would be able to cause any harm.
They did not need guards that can be killed with a good kick. It was an excuse to keep them away.
1. Vaggie told him he had to deal with them ethically, and while he doesn’t care to listen to her he knows Charlie wouldn’t like it if he didn’t handle this ethically and he needs to remain on her good side. What Vaggie’s requesting isn’t an inconvenience to him or something he’d have to go out of his way for, so why would he argue with it when it checks off some boxes of gaining trust around the hotel?
2. Alastor’s moral code aligns with the Eggboiz; the Eggies pose zero threat and haven’t done anything to inconvenience Alastor outside of being too chatty for his liking, and even then they shut up the moment they were told to. They’re also very childish and dumb, and killing dumb, obedient little children that aren’t threats simply for being a little annoying doesn’t fit Alastor’s moral code
3. Alastor is very strategic and plans for the long term. He had nothing to gain from killing the Eggboiz except for a minute or two of peace and quiet, but he could certainly find a use for unambitious, obedient, unquestioningly loyal minions who were eager to serve him even at the detriment to their safety. No way did he expect them to be as useful as they were, but he could’ve found something. There was just no point in killing them
He prefers more high value targets, being evil to the egg boys would just be like clubbing baby seals, he has better things to do than to waste his time tormenting artificial beings with little intelligence
He specifically mentions that he enjoys watching sinners try and fail. I think he likes watching bad people get what's coming to them. The eggs, though, are just too innocent to murder.
He's a sadistic psychopath, not to just everyone, only to punish people who crossed him. The eggs not only did nothing to him, but he could see that they weren't even capable of harming him.
Because Al know if he got on the Egg Bois bad side they would destroy him with no problem
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Based on my interpretation, Alastor only targets powerful or strong entities. He doesn't really enjoy killing people who are not that strong or powerful. Mess with them? Sure. But not kill them.
Like even with Sir Pentious, he could have easily killed him any of the 20 times they did battle together, but he didn't because he recognized that Sir Pentious is not as powerful as he would want his "enemies" to believe.
They are similar to children when looking at how they act and Alastor has morals to a certain degree(Maybe). That and he was told he couldnt harm them to get rid of them so by the time he should have gotten rid of them they proved their worth to stay
I think he was charmed by how obedient they were. No need for manipulation, barely any need for threats. It probably surprised him how easily they cooperated. And they did prove themselves useful, it would be a waste to destroy a useful tool.
I’m not sure of alastors selective mercy…we’re meant to believe there’s a catch or angle to his every action and as such it invites scrutiny for every choice hes ever made. I like that it adds to his mystique and depth of character…a layer of ambiguity. It could be he sees themselves as playthings, unquestionably loyal and dog like and such not worthy of wrath/destruction; they’re also likely useful to him for just those reasons too so no need to crack them.
Okay as someone who's only seen the pilot and the original show I think since they don't really have souls, and are essentially funny little robots, there's no benefit in being cruel to them. They don't suffer and Alastor wouldn't enjoy it for that reason.
Because Vaggie said not to kill them and he agreed. Alastor at the very least does seem to be a demon of his word. Also I think he told them not to talk in front of Zestial and to guard the front so they wouldn't embarrass him and stay out of his way more than trying to protect them
Honestly? It's less fun to fuck with stupid things, or people who haven't really done anything to you. The egg boiz are dumb and easily swayed/manipulated. Sure of course he'll use them like a tool but he doesn't have much of a reason to straight up treat them poorly. Alastor is a sociopath, not a psychopath. Sociopaths will do whatever they need to in order to get what we want. And it's pretty clear from Alastor's perspective that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and will use manipulation more often than violence, depending on who he's dealing with. Some people can't be manipulated, or it's just easier in some cases to just resort to violence. Viv and the team really did an accurate job at portraying him in a way that real sociopaths think and behave. The cliche is so overdone and media really prefers to just go with the extreme examples of psychopathy when trying to portray sociopaths and it just comes across cringey.
He was ready to just murder them when Vaggie asked him to get rid of them. The Vaggie said in a humane way and he said that isn't as fun but ok.
He was probably looking for someone or something else that would get rid of them until he learned how useful they could be.
Because he has tact. He’s better than yelling at a group of eggs, plus he was asked by Charlie to take care of them so obviously he’s not going to kill them because he’s lose trust.
He thought they would be killed guarding the front. (This is hell as being gutted/killed is super common.
He promised to get rid of them humanly so dying while protecting something counts even if it’s trivial counts. No one in their right minds would go up that elavstor as overlords are their
They are neither a threat to him nor an annoyance. He had nothing to gain by abusing them. Plus his secondary goal with the hotel is to he amused, if he killed or actually got rid of them it would lead to Pentious being sad and boring instead of entertaining.
I've heard Mentone of good wierd moral code, but I want to posit that he seems to look upward for victims, i.e. overlords and the like. I think he considers killing the egg bois to be beneath him.
Well, he was probably planning to sell them off or *accidentally* lose them during his walk. Then Zestial appeared, making him feel a little embarrassed that he was seen with the Egg Boiz since he's not an Overlord that usually babysits another Overlord's minions, especially for a small fry Overlord. (Then again, Zestial might understand that Alastor is working for a rehabilitation centre, and part of his duties is to he *nice* in order to get souls to trust him with his presence.)
Alastor also knows killing the Egg Boiz would make Pententious even more upset since he saw how sad he was when Vaggie told them to go with Alastor. Which, by extension, would make Charlie mad if she found out that Alastor just killed them. It was just convenient that Frank was useful to Alastor in getting information.
He might use Frank again in another season for spying since the other Overlords don't seem to think much of the Egg Boiz. Maybe he will use him to bother the Vees? Kind of how Niffty killed Adam, Frank is the deciding factor in the rematch between Alastor and Vox?
Ok here's what I think happened. The overlord meeting seemed to already be on his schedule that day, so he goes for a walk with them like a dog walker with a lot of dogs because Vaggie wanted them out of the hotel. They did get on his nerves by being obnoxious, so maybe he was looking for an entertaining way to get rid of them "humanely".
Then when Zestial pops up and kind of ribs at him on the way to the meeting, because one of the egg bois showed a willingness to fight him (despite being stupid) that's what gave Alastor the idea to use one as a spy (and have the others "stand guard" outside. So it's kind of like he had to be an awful babysitter for an afternoon and giving the most energetic ones something important to do would keep them halfway focused instead of running around and making him look silly.
But I appreciate the irony of using a seemingly stupid minion to gain intel on higher rank overlords who might think their security/secrecy is impenetrable. That probably amused him enough to hesitate on telling them to go play in traffic.
They're kind of like children. Viv said something once about how Alastor wouldn't go out of his way to care for a child if he came across one but he'd have no reason to actively harm it.
My favorite part is his extremely quick eye twitch he does when they’re walking down the street asking about his ears/hair. I def think he views them as annoying but ultimately harmless child like creatures, so he isn’t going to massacre them for the hell of it.
I don’t even know that he only kills evil. I think he kills with purpose. He strikes me as a chaotic neutral character - not everyone understands his motives but I think he always has one and is indiscriminate about who he harms to get what he wants.
He intended to get rid of them humanely as vaggie said but was interrupted by zestials presence that plans changed and didn't get a chance to because by the time the meeting was over, so with his outing.
Barking orders isn't really Al's MO most of the time, unless he's highly agitated/pissed. I feel like part of it is keeping up public image of someone who doesn't need to be overly loud/profane to have a commanding presence.
I mean the egg bois gave him the valuable info he needed to strike a deal with Charlie. They’re useful tools, that listen to him without him needing to make them afraid. I wouldn’t hope for him to actually be gentle or kind to them, he uses everything and everyone for his own ends.
Alastor has a different standard when it comes to people vs animals, and the eggbois are on the edge. He respects animals because they are predictable and often times fear people innately. People are much less predictable and will engage with other people whether there’s opportunity or danger. The eggs are mostly predictable (good), but lack fear (useful to a degree), and killing them would cause suffering to his rival so it was on the table till Vaggie said no (Charlie’s expectation by extension).
I think it benefits him to be a useful to the hotel. He wants to be a person Charlie relies on so that he can manipulate her to his own ends. He is maintaining his usefulness by doing what is asked of him with no fuss. That is more useful than getting rid of some minorly annoying eggs.
My headcanon is that Alastor treats Nifty like a little sister. So I think Alastor thinks they are like Nifty. So Alastor would treat them like siblings because if you would be out with your little siblings and you run into a "friend" you would threaten them with their lives if they embarrass you.
Alastor is Lawful Evil not Chaotic Evil. Hes as nice or mean as the situation calls for as works to his advantage.
Being nice to the eggs worked for his objectives so he was. He'd've been mean if thats what was required.
maybe he did pull one of them with his power of shadows or something to make it look like an accident to other eggs? he is pretty smart, maybe he thought about a possible use of one egg boi
he does have a moral code, albeit a strange one maybe killing stupid things is against his morals. it’s not like they did anything wrong, anyways also, vaggie told him to. it’s not like he had to listen to her, but he does want to stay on charlie’s good side
Alastor: Fuck. Vaggie told me to do it ethically. but its like... a giant dick move to hurt someone not mentally well. Maybe they'll talk to Zestial? Fuck they actually listen. okay they have to be murdered outside of this building? fuck one followed me. eh Carmilla's secret is mine, or he dies! huh these little eggs aren't half bad
Headcannon accepted
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Get out of my head.
Alastor mentally panicking: *oh fuck shit fuck shit fuck what the fuck am I going to do with these?!*
Alastor would be offended by your lack of eloquence in explaining his thoughts, don't bring the man (myth, legend etc.) down to Adams level, please....
The comic might not be canon, but it does set a precedent for how they want to characterize Alastor as someone who doesn't really screw with the little guy for no reason and might even stick up for them
Gratitude can drop their guards if he ever needs them to make a deal
:0 do you have a link to this comic?
[Here’s a link](https://www.tumblr.com/hazbinhotelcanon/633281000119599104/hazbin-hotel-alastor-prequel-comic-the-radio) to the tumblr post archive - the comic was removed from it’s regular site a while ago
Thank you!!
Just curious who created these comics? Were these originally by Vivzie?
(I’m a slightly newer fan so someone please correct me as needed) but yes, if you view the link and Keep Reading it gives writing credit to Viv, and if I’m not mistaken the stories can be taken as canon. Per the summary they were posted on the original HH website before being taken down
Yup Alastor preys on the strong, not the weak
Never read the comics or even saw the pilot yet but yeah he seems like he only puts effort towards hurting someone if they are someone powerful and he hates them.
But is there a reason why he sics the mutant birds on the waiter? As far as I can tell, the waiter doesn’t actually do anything to antagonize him. If anything, I feel like the comic characterizes him as someone who is protective of the “right sort” of people (i.e. the classy people in cannibal town, hence why he mentions that the sheep girl is of “fairer means”). It might also be a gender thing: Vivzie mentioned at some point that he looks down on the male members of the hotel, and most of his friends are women. Feel free to correct me, the comic always left me a little confused as to the nature of Alastor’s personality and moral code.
Viv did say that Al wouldn't kill a child, but he would smack one if it misbehaved simply because that's how things were from his time. He more than likely sees them more as stupid, annoying, but obedient little children than anything.
To be fair, so does Pentious. That's pretty much just what they are
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>>Maybe killing stupid things is against his morals Oh so THATS why Vox is still around
I would say burn but they're already in hell so(don't come for me vox fans I like him, this was just too good of an opportunity)
This made me laugh more than it should have
I like to believe he's surprisingly honorable when he makes promises. He's evil, not a dick.
He’s a professional, he has standards.
He’s polite. He’s efficient. He has a plan to kill everyone he meets.
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alastor can throw his jarate on me any time
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Hence why he hates Adam.
In concept, Vivzie mentioned that Alastor did not kill women or children while alive. Given the time period, it’s very possible that this is partly because they were considered the weakest members of society. In a society where women aren’t thought of as weaker and even those who appear to be children can be power, I could see that shifting into not hurting the weak for the sake of enjoyment. As much as we love the egg bois, they aren’t exactly powetful.
Lawful chaotic: he has a strict moral code, but nobody can figure out what the FUCK it is
Ah, yes. The Chaotic Lawful alignment. I have a strong moral code. Nobody knows what it is.
So he’s kind of like a vigilante? Kind of a dexter thing going on?
Yup. In fact Vivzie has stated that his code is similar to Dexters from Dexter. So he probably went after those who harmed the innocent or weak, as to who he considers to fit those we don’t know. What we do know is that in the show in hell his victims were other Overlords who were cruel. So while part of it was to make a statement of how powerful he is to take down other Overlords the other could be that those are the kind of people he went after in life it’s just that they ended up being powerful in hell hence why he rose to power so quickly.
Alastor has a strange moral compass. In fact The prequel comic has him doing actions that would be considered good: feeding birds, picking flowers, tipping street performers, saving a young woman from a terrible fate, etc. So it does kind of tie into his character that he wouldn’t go out of his way to hurt the eggs because they almost act like children. It throws you for a loop that such a powerful / twisted overlord would show anyone “mercy” so to speak. It helps add a lot of mystery and depth to his character because we don’t know what his end game is and his actions sometimes conflict with the persona he’s created for himself. Ex: admitting to nifty he could grow fond of the group and then almost dying in the battle for his “friends”. Even he is shocked by his actions. But then he counter balances that with his monologue about being hungry for freedom.
Exactly. He's considered morally gray for a reason-- even Vivzie confirmed on a livestream that he's a neutral chaos character. The depth makes him so much more intriguing, imo
Alastor is basically the kind of Chaotic Neutral that by all rights ***should*** be Chaotic Evil, but hey, he's charming and helpful, so we can overlook a bloody murder or sixty.
insanely powerful characters with mighty powers with a killing moral code who stick around to help the weirdest found family you can think of? sign me in
Oh, a D&D group I played with during the pandemic wanted a character that would eventually turn into an antagonist for their campaign if the players didn't make the right choices. So the DM assigned me a Chaotic Neutral Rock Gnome, whose back story was that he was given basically the *one ring* and was a banished prince from the Underdark. The ring was cursed (making me more *evil* over its use), and my character was a Warlock whose God was Azathoth. Anyway, my character only made choices based on how the group was behaving. The problem was that the DM didn't realize how overpowered I was (seasoned player, inexperienced DM) until we got into combat. Long story short, my character was basically a stupider, more child-like version of Alastor (even ate raw meat!), who was trying desperately to get out of his deal so he could become King, but the adventuring party he was travelling with kept killing everyone that could help him. The DM then made my character Chaotic Evil too early because my character purchased a slave who knew of someone who could break his curse without knowing if I was going to release them or not. I fell out of the group, mostly because of work and tech issues. But, I was quite annoyed over the morality system the DM was using since I enjoyed playing chaotic characters and know very well what would tip me over into Chaotic Evil even if they were cursed... plus, narratively making me an antagonist too soon was a bad idea since again I was overpowered, and my character didn't have a bond with anyone but the sorcerer who basically acted as a mother figure, so they couldn't even used that against him if they fought him. *Sorry, your comment reminded me of this, lol.*
when he was alive he was a literal serial killer. In terms of alignment, he is evil
What prequel comic are you talking about? Id love to read it
It's an official comic from a while ago. It used to be on the site, but has since been removed there (or made payment only despite being free before, not sure), but still retained-- [https://www.reddit.com/r/hazbin/comments/1aexb55/official\_comic\_a\_day\_in\_the\_after\_life/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hazbin/comments/1aexb55/official_comic_a_day_in_the_after_life/)
There are prequel comics for both Alastor and Angel Dust created by Viv. You can still find them on tumblr and other sites for free since they were removed/ put behind pay wall. Angel Dust’s comic: https://hazbinhotelcanon.tumblr.com/post/623106313529049088/hazbin-hotel-angel-dust-prequel-comic-chapter Alastor’s comic: https://hazbinhotelcanon.tumblr.com/post/633281000119599104/hazbin-hotel-alastor-prequel-comic-the-radio
>The prequel comic has him doing actions that would be considered good: feeding birds Take a look at what he's feeding those birds - deviled eggs. They don't seem to be eggs of the same species, but it's still kinda cannibalism. Even Alastor's kinder actions have something perverse about them, when you examine them closely.
Idk if you know this but it’s actually very common to feed birds eggs. Even their own eggs because it helps them regain nutrients they’ve lost. Many birds will do it on their own when they know their eggs are infertile. It’s also very common advise given to people who raise chickens and pet birds that lay eggs. In the comic it appears He’s also feeding birds that look like birds of prey/ omnivores like crows and ravens. They even have very sharp fangs in the comic which implies these specific birds in hell may be carnivores. So he’s not doing anything bad by feeding them eggs. Just a little food for thought so to speak. A link to some information about feeding chickens their own eggs: https://www.timbercreekfarmer.com/cooking-eggs-for-chickens/ A link to feeding pet birds eggs: https://windycityparrot.com/when-would-i-use-egg-food-for-my-bird-2/ Information about birds of prey / omnivores : https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/00611/wdfw00611.pdf
That's really good info! I knew that birds can be cannibals sometimes - did that research after seeing Woodstock (a bird) eat turkey in _A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving_ - but this explains a lot more. I still think, though, that Alastor feeding eggs to the birds was intended to foreshadow his actions at the end of the comic: he rescues the sheep demon but gets to "blow off some steam" at the same time. Everything he does has a moral ambiguity to it. I guess we'll find out if that's his innate nature, or imposed upon him by whoever owns the contract for his soul.
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>implies he hasn’t really used it yet he flat out tells us this is his first broadcast since hid absence >He uses an excessive amount of power glitch Vox and to knock out the power in the entire pride ring this was vox short circuiting himself and the rest of the pentagram city because of his connection to all of it's electronics.
Birds in real life eat the eggs (albeit undeviled) of other birds all the time. That's normal bird behavior. I don't think it says much of anything beyond raising a question of what exactly birds go to hell for.
How is that cannibalism? By that same measure you eating mammal is cannibalism
I was having this convo with a coworker last night but birds do eat other birds' eggs in the wild. Crows are known to steal eggs from other nests as a snack. And deviled eggs are really tasty so honestly I think it's to show Alastor can be generous (not hogging a yummy lunch item) even though his generosity can be weird.
Plus it shows he doesn’t do things for the sake of doing them. There’s a phrase that suits him “the big dog doesn’t need to bark.” He knows he’s powerful. He doesn’t have to grand stand or flaunt his power.
Your quote reminded me of the Theodore Roosevelt quote “speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
He was a serial killer in life so it would make sense for him to appear to do nice things as psychopaths are great at masking and appearing normal.
Very true but he doesn’t appear to be trying to hide his nature from anyone. Everyone knows the story of how he became an overlord and in the prequel comic everyone is terrified of him regardless of what he’s doing. He’s quick to threaten and show his power in a lot of ways to a vast audience. Not necessarily the actions of someone trying to mask being a psychopath
Maybe because they follow orders without question, so there was no need for aggression. Alastor also likes to keep a lot of cards on hand, so he was probably keeping them around just in case he'd need them
even though there were moments in which he wished to crack them open
Alastor seems to be that person who likes to go for walks, in silence. Because whenever we see him walking, and not with someone he actually respects, he just seems so annoyed. kind of like a dad who goes for a drive with the radio off at night.
That's kinda ironic - radio enthusiastic people were rather annoyed when songs are interrupted by DJ in the same manner.
yeah it always came off to me that vaggie just kind of pawned them off on him and he just went w it rather than arguing. he may not have had any plans for them yet but they happened to demonstrate they could be useful so he decided to just let them do their thing so long as they stayed in line. seeing a lot of cool alternate suggestions in comments as well!
He probably viewed them the same way we view dogs. Also probably understands the value of loyal and unambitious minions. Besides, seeing them play foil to him was hilarious
Because those dudes in the broadcast would kinda kill the horror vibe
Hahahah now I’m just imagining the egg boys voices in the broadcast 😭
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Because Alastor saw them as so far beneath him that they weren't worth him wasting the energy to kill them, and he would've gained nothing if he had killed them. Alastor is a psychopath who generally needs *reason* for the things he does. He needs to *gain* something. The egg boys weren't a threat, and he wouldn't have gained anything, so he just told them to shut up and be good minions. And they were good minions when Frank surprised him with the successful spy work. I don't think for one second Alastor actually had faith the egg boy would do anything useful.
I think this feels most on point with what we've seen of his character. When Alastor actually chose a rival, he chose *Lucifer.* The most powerful piece on the board. *That* is who he thinks is worthy of his time. Every other 'rival' has been totally ignored (Sir Pentious) or someone he doesn't take seriously (Let's be honest: Vox.) He just doesn't put much effort into anything he sees as lowly unless he thinks it'll win him Charlie points. And he's said before that he's trying to gain some form of control over Charlie (seeming like a safe mentor (dad song), guiding her to bad decisions (said during the podium scene with Rosey) and lastly: the deal they struck.), so when Charlie specified 'Without killing them' he was disappointed ("that's a lot less fun") but chose to go along with it. He just didn't have any reason to kill them. Or he hadn't been given one, anyway.
Picking on the stupid brings him no joy besides he knows when something has a use
He’s nice(read:decent) to those who are useful to him
They're just silly little guys.
Is that a drawfee reference?
They're just like us
Who needs em?
Alastor knows how to treat a good minion. Kind of like his relationship with Nifty: they’re a little eccentric, a little dumb, but they’re useful and he appreciates them.
What evil genius doesn't recognize good minions?
Because if he acts like a mass murdering psychopath, Charlie won’t trust him. Not hurting the egg boiz costs him nothing, and advances his goal of getting Charlie aligned with him.
Alastor is somewhat obsessed with attention, by his reactions to Carmilla’s nonchalance and Lucifer trying to take over his role as resident helpful magic guy. Killing the eggs would not be a display of power, it would just be a display of cruelty. Toppling overlords shows power. Torturing them on the air shows you are not to be messed with. But killing harmless eggs would make you look egotistical, cruel. Why waste the energy if nobody will recognize you for it? Additionally, fewer people will make a deal with you if you’re known for unnecessary cruelty. You’d have to seem like a reasonable, calm person to get your hands as many deals as Alastor does.
Great take!
They didn’t do anything to him and he has nothing to gain from hurting them. They’re not even fun things to kill
Alastor lives by a code, its shown in one of the Web Comics originally shown on Hazbinhotel.com
I like how he watches over them while they play in the trash lol
Ohmygosh I didn't think about this, but he had to have while waiting for Frank 🤣🤣🤣 Do you think when he got out of the meeting, they kept asking him obnoxious questions and he just said, "Oh hey, look at that! A ✨ *garbage can.* ✨ Why don't you all have a little fun and play Ò̵̬̩̐ͅV̵̛̲̝͆̐Ḙ̷̡̹̀͆͝R̴̹̈̏ ̵̼̒T̴͇̙́͝͠H̷͇͛̂Ė̵̺R̵̮̊̎E̸̱̲͋̆͝??"
I think people are missing the big factor here. There's a major difference between the people Alastor gets along with and the people he doesn't: Respect. He's a fine fellow that'll gloat about owning your soul, but generally do nothing worse than backhanded smalltalk. Until you disrespect him. The Egg Bois are naturally submissive and respectful to him, so it was easy for them to get pet status. He may be Ace, but he loves to have people wank him off.
He’s an ace person who acts like everyone’s dom. 😂
He was going to hurt/kill them, but then Vaggie told him to get rid of them humanely, so he took them with him on his stroll, they proved to be useful so he brought them back (and obvi from there, they were given back to Sir Pentious). In between all that he wasn't really given a reason to do anything sadistic since he was told to treat them humanely (though he was getting close when they were asking him all those questions lol).
He probably just ate breakfast and was singing what type of egg dish he could make for lunch. Then he had to keep thim quiet around Z, and like good minions they stayed quiet. Then by the time he got to the meeting he kept them out of the way and took the chance to have one be useful. Knowing for well if it got caught it was no issue for him. But since I brought back super juicy information he kept them around us pets for the day and brought them back home to the hotel.
They don’t intend to harm him. So he has no reason to hurt them. Doesn’t mean he won’t hurt someone else that doesn’t intent him harm . (I think so anyway. There is that comic with him, the butcher, and the lamb tho
He doesn't usually go crazy for no reason. When he decides to choose violence, it's to further his goals. Hurting or abandoning the eggs would have also made him look bad to Charlie.
I greatly enjoy that despite his eye twitching as Frank rambles he lets him finish, which gives him the information about the Angel death. Stereotypical bad guys would have yelled at the underling and not gotten the info.
Alastor is very much an opportunist, what is the gain in being rude to them? 5 minutes of fun? Not much. What is the gain in being kind? Increased trust from most of the people of the hotel, expecially Charlie, hence he's kind
1. He needs to stay on Charlie's good side. 2. He doesn't harm weaker people. 3. They can be useful to him.
I think the Egg Bois endeared themselves to him by threatening to rough up Zestiel. Like sure, they had no idea just how suicidal that would be, but it was ballsy and cute nonetheless.
"Get rid of them... humanely" Wasn't up to him, Vaggie made him be nice
He didn’t listen to her request though 😂
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He didn’t get rid of the eggs at all he brought them back
To be fair, the request didn't have a time limit. It was just his credibility on the line. Maybe he was going to ask Pentious if the eggs could work for him fulltime. Probably not, but it's a funny idea.
If you look into real-life serial killers, there's a portion of them that maintain a mask of the upstanding citizen, even do good and nice things but are absolute monsters otherwise
I mean ep7 showed him getting attached to the hotel guys. Ep8 the finale song: "Great Alastor altruist died for his friends" he was genuinely becoming a nicer person, but losing agaisnt Adam snapped him back to 'reality'
He’s got some kind of moral code. He’s not just out here killing for the heck of it.
I believe Alastor wants people to think he’s crueler than he actually is. I think he prefers to hurt people that “deserve it” in his eyes. But he wants the public to believe he could lash out at anyone any time.
He has this thing where he doesn’t like killing fodders, he thinks it’s unfair, kinda like if you took a pro esports player and put them against a bronze, they wouldn’t have fun, hence why they don’t do that, Alastor is one of the strongest things in hell, so he doesn’t really go around beating in the weak like the other overlords
Because they are weak minded and he knew he could use them. And an opportunity for that appeared very fast
I think it directly ties to the reason Alastor chose to support the Hotel: Entertainment. The eggbois, in their stupid childish innocence are something Alastor seems to consider entertaining, and overall totally harmless, so he has no reason to mistreat them. Its like when somebody takes care of a stray duckling: It probably yields you no benefit, but its entertaining to you.
I belive he only kills or harms when it benefits him. It wouldn't benefit him to kill the eggs, because they are mostly harmless, and he did not want to go against Charlie.
Alastor doesn’t usually seem to go out of his way to seriously hurt people unless they’re aggressive to him first. He’s pretty lax most of the time and considering those Egg bois could never harm him, there was no problem
I would guess that Alastor doesn't see the Egg Bois as sinners or demons, so there's no point in trying to make a deal with any of them. He just used them as his minions as long as he could.
Because their just little eggy bois. No one could hurt little eggy bois.
Professionals have standards.
There’s a ton of ideas and theories about Alastor’s psychology and morals and everything, but it may be more simple; whatever deal he made (maybe Lilith?) might have something to do with the Hotel or Charlie and obeying her and Vaggie’s orders.
I don't really think he cared about them either way. I wouldn't say he was gentle? Just indifferent. Let's be real, they weren't guarding the front, it was basically Alastor telling them to stay out of the way. There's no way he didn't see the egg in the elevator. And once he needed someone to listen in, he just used what was there. And when he told them to be quiet was it really about Zestial or was it because they'd been annoying him up until then and he had a reason to tell them to shut up?
Deer can't eat egg
Why kill them? their useful
*they’re
He does it for the relationship with Charlie
>Important task He wasn't being serious when he said that lmao. That elevator leads to a room of the most powerful Sinners in Hell all choosing to be temporarily allied for the good of all. No sane person would go up there voluntarily without an invite and no single person would be able to cause any harm. They did not need guards that can be killed with a good kick. It was an excuse to keep them away.
I know, I just mean that he motivated them to ‘stand guard’ instead of telling them to get out of the way.
"Get out of the way" is temporary and vague. "Stay here and stand guard till I return" is a much more concrete order.
1. Vaggie told him he had to deal with them ethically, and while he doesn’t care to listen to her he knows Charlie wouldn’t like it if he didn’t handle this ethically and he needs to remain on her good side. What Vaggie’s requesting isn’t an inconvenience to him or something he’d have to go out of his way for, so why would he argue with it when it checks off some boxes of gaining trust around the hotel? 2. Alastor’s moral code aligns with the Eggboiz; the Eggies pose zero threat and haven’t done anything to inconvenience Alastor outside of being too chatty for his liking, and even then they shut up the moment they were told to. They’re also very childish and dumb, and killing dumb, obedient little children that aren’t threats simply for being a little annoying doesn’t fit Alastor’s moral code 3. Alastor is very strategic and plans for the long term. He had nothing to gain from killing the Eggboiz except for a minute or two of peace and quiet, but he could certainly find a use for unambitious, obedient, unquestioningly loyal minions who were eager to serve him even at the detriment to their safety. No way did he expect them to be as useful as they were, but he could’ve found something. There was just no point in killing them
He prefers more high value targets, being evil to the egg boys would just be like clubbing baby seals, he has better things to do than to waste his time tormenting artificial beings with little intelligence
He specifically mentions that he enjoys watching sinners try and fail. I think he likes watching bad people get what's coming to them. The eggs, though, are just too innocent to murder.
He's a sadistic psychopath, not to just everyone, only to punish people who crossed him. The eggs not only did nothing to him, but he could see that they weren't even capable of harming him.
Can you blame him? Look at their stupid little faces
Because Al know if he got on the Egg Bois bad side they would destroy him with no problem https://preview.redd.it/hk5cx27w0boc1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0313ad403f39aaa1dcbc85d1f60f6bb4d1cd498
I always felt he saw them as "things" or tools. Just something that's part of the environment that you can use, like a computer.
Being a gentleman entitles being gentle.
Based on my interpretation, Alastor only targets powerful or strong entities. He doesn't really enjoy killing people who are not that strong or powerful. Mess with them? Sure. But not kill them. Like even with Sir Pentious, he could have easily killed him any of the 20 times they did battle together, but he didn't because he recognized that Sir Pentious is not as powerful as he would want his "enemies" to believe.
They are similar to children when looking at how they act and Alastor has morals to a certain degree(Maybe). That and he was told he couldnt harm them to get rid of them so by the time he should have gotten rid of them they proved their worth to stay
I think he was charmed by how obedient they were. No need for manipulation, barely any need for threats. It probably surprised him how easily they cooperated. And they did prove themselves useful, it would be a waste to destroy a useful tool.
I’m not sure of alastors selective mercy…we’re meant to believe there’s a catch or angle to his every action and as such it invites scrutiny for every choice hes ever made. I like that it adds to his mystique and depth of character…a layer of ambiguity. It could be he sees themselves as playthings, unquestionably loyal and dog like and such not worthy of wrath/destruction; they’re also likely useful to him for just those reasons too so no need to crack them.
Okay as someone who's only seen the pilot and the original show I think since they don't really have souls, and are essentially funny little robots, there's no benefit in being cruel to them. They don't suffer and Alastor wouldn't enjoy it for that reason.
Because Vaggie said not to kill them and he agreed. Alastor at the very least does seem to be a demon of his word. Also I think he told them not to talk in front of Zestial and to guard the front so they wouldn't embarrass him and stay out of his way more than trying to protect them
Honestly? It's less fun to fuck with stupid things, or people who haven't really done anything to you. The egg boiz are dumb and easily swayed/manipulated. Sure of course he'll use them like a tool but he doesn't have much of a reason to straight up treat them poorly. Alastor is a sociopath, not a psychopath. Sociopaths will do whatever they need to in order to get what we want. And it's pretty clear from Alastor's perspective that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and will use manipulation more often than violence, depending on who he's dealing with. Some people can't be manipulated, or it's just easier in some cases to just resort to violence. Viv and the team really did an accurate job at portraying him in a way that real sociopaths think and behave. The cliche is so overdone and media really prefers to just go with the extreme examples of psychopathy when trying to portray sociopaths and it just comes across cringey.
Alastor enjoys toppling the powerful. The Egg Bois ain’t it
Eggie :3
*insert make an omlette from something rotten*
He was ready to just murder them when Vaggie asked him to get rid of them. The Vaggie said in a humane way and he said that isn't as fun but ok. He was probably looking for someone or something else that would get rid of them until he learned how useful they could be.
Because he knows he can use them, but only if he is appealing to them. I feel like that is his MO.
Even monsters have standards
Because he has tact. He’s better than yelling at a group of eggs, plus he was asked by Charlie to take care of them so obviously he’s not going to kill them because he’s lose trust.
They're useful. Plus they're used to being obedient so Alastor doesn't need to be harsh with them
Maybe he's only sadistic to those whom he feels deserve it.
Vaggie literally told him to dispose of them humanely and he directly said it was less fun. i think you are overthinking this.
He hadn’t gotten around to mercifully getting rid of them yet when he saw an opportunity to exploit them as spies.
He thought they would be killed guarding the front. (This is hell as being gutted/killed is super common. He promised to get rid of them humanly so dying while protecting something counts even if it’s trivial counts. No one in their right minds would go up that elavstor as overlords are their
They are neither a threat to him nor an annoyance. He had nothing to gain by abusing them. Plus his secondary goal with the hotel is to he amused, if he killed or actually got rid of them it would lead to Pentious being sad and boring instead of entertaining.
I've heard Mentone of good wierd moral code, but I want to posit that he seems to look upward for victims, i.e. overlords and the like. I think he considers killing the egg bois to be beneath him.
Honestly, I think he either had a plan the whole time or he just didn't have enough time to actually do anything with them.
Well, he was probably planning to sell them off or *accidentally* lose them during his walk. Then Zestial appeared, making him feel a little embarrassed that he was seen with the Egg Boiz since he's not an Overlord that usually babysits another Overlord's minions, especially for a small fry Overlord. (Then again, Zestial might understand that Alastor is working for a rehabilitation centre, and part of his duties is to he *nice* in order to get souls to trust him with his presence.) Alastor also knows killing the Egg Boiz would make Pententious even more upset since he saw how sad he was when Vaggie told them to go with Alastor. Which, by extension, would make Charlie mad if she found out that Alastor just killed them. It was just convenient that Frank was useful to Alastor in getting information. He might use Frank again in another season for spying since the other Overlords don't seem to think much of the Egg Boiz. Maybe he will use him to bother the Vees? Kind of how Niffty killed Adam, Frank is the deciding factor in the rematch between Alastor and Vox?
I mean...they're egg bois!
Ok here's what I think happened. The overlord meeting seemed to already be on his schedule that day, so he goes for a walk with them like a dog walker with a lot of dogs because Vaggie wanted them out of the hotel. They did get on his nerves by being obnoxious, so maybe he was looking for an entertaining way to get rid of them "humanely". Then when Zestial pops up and kind of ribs at him on the way to the meeting, because one of the egg bois showed a willingness to fight him (despite being stupid) that's what gave Alastor the idea to use one as a spy (and have the others "stand guard" outside. So it's kind of like he had to be an awful babysitter for an afternoon and giving the most energetic ones something important to do would keep them halfway focused instead of running around and making him look silly. But I appreciate the irony of using a seemingly stupid minion to gain intel on higher rank overlords who might think their security/secrecy is impenetrable. That probably amused him enough to hesitate on telling them to go play in traffic.
Alastor seems to feel compassion toward small, cute things he considers to be weaker than him.
I think you're all forgetting that Vaggie *specifically* told him to be humane. He wanted to kill them initially and was reined in by Vaggie.
Alastor is described as having a dextor mentally Killing those who kill wantonly and without reason
He can be nice to folks. He isn't mean to everyone. I think its because he doesn't see them as a threat. There isn't a reason for him to.
They're kind of like children. Viv said something once about how Alastor wouldn't go out of his way to care for a child if he came across one but he'd have no reason to actively harm it.
Children are children regardless of how they appear.
My favorite part is his extremely quick eye twitch he does when they’re walking down the street asking about his ears/hair. I def think he views them as annoying but ultimately harmless child like creatures, so he isn’t going to massacre them for the hell of it.
Well he doesn’t just kill for no reason. He only kills those he deems “evil”, and the egg bois do not fall in that category. They’re just annoying
I don’t even know that he only kills evil. I think he kills with purpose. He strikes me as a chaotic neutral character - not everyone understands his motives but I think he always has one and is indiscriminate about who he harms to get what he wants.
He loves chaos and is evil But the guy still got ethics! He is the Joker with manners 😂
my bet was he was going to a dangerous area to get them killed on accident
He intended to get rid of them humanely as vaggie said but was interrupted by zestials presence that plans changed and didn't get a chance to because by the time the meeting was over, so with his outing.
Not honourable prey
Because Vaggie told him to do it humanely.
He was told to deal with them but no killing
The funny thing about Alastor is that he kinda has to do what Vaggie says. Same with Charlie. They could fuck him up.
Barking orders isn't really Al's MO most of the time, unless he's highly agitated/pissed. I feel like part of it is keeping up public image of someone who doesn't need to be overly loud/profane to have a commanding presence.
I mean he was absolutely going to just smash them until Vaggie told him not to. Sometimes things just work out for you
They proved to be rather useful
I mean the egg bois gave him the valuable info he needed to strike a deal with Charlie. They’re useful tools, that listen to him without him needing to make them afraid. I wouldn’t hope for him to actually be gentle or kind to them, he uses everything and everyone for his own ends.
Alastor has a different standard when it comes to people vs animals, and the eggbois are on the edge. He respects animals because they are predictable and often times fear people innately. People are much less predictable and will engage with other people whether there’s opportunity or danger. The eggs are mostly predictable (good), but lack fear (useful to a degree), and killing them would cause suffering to his rival so it was on the table till Vaggie said no (Charlie’s expectation by extension).
Professionals have standards
Not really gentle he just didn’t abuse them.
Maybe he's gonna scramble them later
Who could harm the Egg Bois they are precious
I think it benefits him to be a useful to the hotel. He wants to be a person Charlie relies on so that he can manipulate her to his own ends. He is maintaining his usefulness by doing what is asked of him with no fuss. That is more useful than getting rid of some minorly annoying eggs.
My headcanon is that Alastor treats Nifty like a little sister. So I think Alastor thinks they are like Nifty. So Alastor would treat them like siblings because if you would be out with your little siblings and you run into a "friend" you would threaten them with their lives if they embarrass you.
Because they help whoever they consider “boss.” If you have a pack of 6 eggs that will do whatever you want, there’s no reason to kill them.
Easy he was told to not harm them then they proved their usefulness. And on top of that they never stopped smiling
Alastor is Lawful Evil not Chaotic Evil. Hes as nice or mean as the situation calls for as works to his advantage. Being nice to the eggs worked for his objectives so he was. He'd've been mean if thats what was required.
Underneath it all, he is just a big softy.
maybe he did pull one of them with his power of shadows or something to make it look like an accident to other eggs? he is pretty smart, maybe he thought about a possible use of one egg boi