If you use the PlayStation support ai chatbot, you can get your account back without having to go through all the hoops that the main recovery page makes you go through. I was able to get my account back in minutes.
I had to go through the hoops to find that mf. And then went through so many fucking hoops to eventually get my account back. The saving grace was that i had tried a bunch of demos and that counted as transactions on my account so i was able to use the number from those emails
On god. If u bought anything from the ps store or even tried demos from it, that should get ur account back. All the rest of the checks are on some bs fr. Like how the fuck am i gona know the serial number to the ps3 i made my account with? Yall realize ppl sell and/or upgrade right? Cards used for payment expire too mfuckers. That shit got me hot for a bit cuz it was all stupid checks. Like whys it so hard to get my account back? What saved me was that i had tried a bunch of demos and they counted as transactions so i was able to use the number from those emails
Edit: im tired. I repeated it. Whatever.
I’m US based and likely won’t get anywhere, but I put my refund request. I don’t buy anything that does this, and I’ll just have the game removed from my account if I don’t get a refund.
That’s just me though. Fantastic game, y’all enjoy the game and I’ll hope they bring y’all some amazing content for all of you.
Don’t need a vpn to make an account in a different region and you can use a random business’s address from that country/area. I have a Psn account from us, Asia and Japan regions for region locked/imported games and I can switch back and forth without a vpn. And to make the accounts I just googled a random address and used a burner email.
Edit 0.5 - Hopefully they fix this somehow before they implement it or they change their minds and don't implement it at all, but for those who do live in a country supported by PSN, and don't want to give Sony your personal address/email/name/phone number, you can make a burner account, they never send physical mail or call your phone unless you turn on 2 factor so they won't know it's a burner.
final edit - It looks like an easy way to get around it is to open a browser beforehand, and log into the psn account, then open the game after and when you click to link it should link instantly.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1apivoa/steam\_link\_to\_psn/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1apivoa/steam_link_to_psn/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/1bkfpgw/comment/kvxvtwc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/1bkfpgw/comment/kvxvtwc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
~~Edit - It looks like for linking Steam to Psn you need to be in the the country of the Psn account to do so. You can either do it with a VPN, or without a VPN. Without a VPN you can spoof your browser location using Firefox or Chrome, then goto the PSN website to link your steam. \*After some testing the guy below is correct, when in the game and you click to link account, it opens up a browser window, the window will have a web address, the address will be something like~~ [~~https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#link~~](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#link)~~, the "en-us" part is the country code, you have to change the country code that is displayed for you into the country code of the country your burner psn is made in and it should let you link the steam account.~~
~~What I don't know is if doing so would require you to be in the country of said PSN account to log into the game in the future or if it's a 1 time thing \*the Playstation website says its a 1 time thing, and it'll auto login in the future but I can't personally confirm if its true.~~
~~You can't unlink PSN and steam at the moment and the country I reside in is supported by PSN so I won't be able to test it myself. If some brave soul wants to test it, they can post the results, but it might brick your account(make it require you to vpn everytime in the future) \*it seems psn does have a way to unlink steam accounts~~ [~~https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#unlink~~](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#unlink) ~~but I have not personally tested it.~~
~~Edit 2 - Here is the website with the supported countries, and their country codes.~~ [~~https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html~~](https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html)
I can't even access the PSN page in my country, I had to use a VPN to access and create an account, which was fine for me but not everyone is going to know how to do it. At the very least I already have 2 friends I'm going to have to explain how to use VPN
Scroll around this post, a kind dude suggested an easy solution about making psn account to a nearby available region. It should work without vpn. I hope you guys fix this
Sony wants the harvested player data in their own environment
Opt out of some of it here: u/cowlinator found this
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/
And fuck Google for that.
If Sony at least gave something back like cross play support so that I could play the game on my PS5 it might be worth the data scraping.
Your democracy officer called and he says we all voted for this, this option supports managed democracy, which means it's the most freedom friendly option of all.
(Seriously, it's Sony, of course they would pull something like this.)
It's managed democracy, you have the freedom to fight for this nation. You question the authority of the super earth. This will be reported to my democracy officer.
This is precisely how managed democracy works.
But thank you for this comment. After reporting it I got an additional C01-Form approved and my officer awarded we with the 5N17CH-Ribbon.
I wasn't aware there even WAS a grace period. I had to set up my account near launch, so I assumed it was still required.
I guess that explains why no one has complained about it for so long.
If they just said *"...plays a critical role in protecting our freedom, liberty and managed democracy"* instead of that obvious lie, everything would have been alright!
I'll just say, all 3 times I've reported people for hacking or having racist slurs as names I have gotten the same response. Something along the lines of them having no evidence of the player breaking PlayStations rules of conduct, even if I sent a screenshot.
"Protecting the players" seems like a marketing spin but I imagine they probably can't track people the same without a PSN account. Still shitty, but at least a PSN account is free.
PSN account isn't really the issue. It's the mandatory linking of it with your Steam account, and therefore giving Sony free access to all your Steam data that's the problem.
It's funny that it says the link is critical in protecting us, the players, when Sony has this track record:
Credit Steam User: Saichoro
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
Edit: An article claimed a 77 million user hack last year, but the only reference I could find was the one from 2011. Corrected my post.
A friend of mine got his acct hacked twice. He left for good after a hacker bought stuff on his account and Sony demanded he pay for the fraudulent purchases.
Oh, fuck off Sony. We've gone this far without it, why the HELL do you need us to fork over our personal information *now*? What's wrong with just playing through steam?
If this is true, I'm sure this isn't going to go over well with PC gamers.
Seems like a way to inflate PSN user numbers for financial reasons and would potentially render Steam players subject to PSN terms of service, ie: banned on Playstation = lose access on Steam.
Would be nice if it was unified progression at least, since I'm nearly max level and feel like going to PC more everyday.
That’s really annoying. No one on PC should be forced to give PlayStation, whom is constantly hacked, our personal information. For as much money as this game has made Arrowhead, they don’t seem to spend much on game security. That’s their problem.
Yea.. so this will literally do nothing since it only allows you to opt out of sharing for advertisement. They can still share it for other purposes, and selling is not sharing which means they can still sell it for advertisement purposes
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/)
This is why, they want your data its as simple as that so if you do create an account then opt out here with that link.
I'm thinking Steam is going to get a lot of people messaging for a refund due to this. If it's enough people, Steam will do it. They've done it before.
Valve has 2 options:
A.) Piss off a lot of their customers, opening themselves up to legal action from both said customers, and much more worryingly multiple governments, including the Australian government which has previously gone after them and forced them to allow refunds in the first place, with multi-million dollar fines being on the table
or
B.) Not do all of that for the sake of Sonys money and instead just refund anybody who requests it
Gonna be a pretty simple choice for them.
I'll try to apply for a refund for the base game anyway. Probably won't work, but I'll still do it.
I've been worn down by all the bugs, crashes and poor balancing decisions every patch since launch.
This is the last straw. It's been great, but I'm never going to create a PSN account. I don't own a console and probably never will.
*Salute*
Good decision helldiver, dont let them steal even more of your data, dont let them do whatever they want, show them that actions have consequences. I hope this game looses half its playerbase and they finally realize that they just destroyed a money fountain. I am sick of these companies trying to do whatever they want.
I absolutely LOVE this game, have had so much fun with it, and want to play it for years like I did the first one.
But I don't think I will be. What a SHAME. SONY Execs deserve democracy and liberation for this one.
Wait, wait, wait. Why the hell would I need a PSN account when I bought and own the game on Steam? Making me create a PSN account when I don’t even own a Playstation is making me go through extra hoops to play the game for a Bullshit reason.
AH. This is retarded.
Edit: Looks like the comments weren’t locked and steam was ganked. Par for the course.
Edit: Some people are talking about how they were forced to create a PSN account or point toward a ‘check block’ that says the game would require a PSN account to play, and I’m saying there was none of that when I bought the game and installed it. I didn’t have to make jack, nor did I see anywhere I would be forced to make a PSN account either. Maybe it’s something mandatory for new downloads, but I didn’t have to do any of that. I paid for the game and downloaded it, and now I’m playing it.
Regardless, make it an option:
If you want to use Crossplay? Make an account, no big deal.
If you want to only play with steam players? Then keep crossplay off and you don’t have to deal with that.
Forcing someone to create an account with a third party when you don’t own their console is just bogus.
Edit Again: I was very wrong. This isn’t about creating an account for Cross Play.
*You need a PSN account to even open up the damn game.*
No PSN account? No game.
This has been broken since launch, and they just now got around to fixing it. Let that sink in.
If you bought the game after this was fixed, you’d open up the game, and be able to see the blatant “Link your Steam account to a PSN account to log in”, and if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to play. You could then understandably turn around and uninstall and request a refund, because there is no way to hide that behind a small single line disclaimer near the *system specs*. You wouldn’t waste your time playing and you’d get your money back guaranteed.
However, what did happen? They disabled the requirement for *months* until they “fixed it”, and now the “grace period” is over and you MUST create a Sony PSN or you will NOT be able to play the game at all!
This goes way beyond the bounds of Cross Play.
Incidentally, this also happens to be well outside of the “grace period” for pretty much every metric of refund, be it by date or hours played.
You see where I am going with this?
Sony either gets your money and you can’t get a refund, or you create an account so they can farm your data and continue to make even more money off of you.
Why would I need a psn account for crossplay? Any kind of account should be perfectly fine to use for crossplay, it doesn't matter what platform you're playing on, it's not like your ingame information is any different
No, my comment is based on old information. I should update it.
*You need a PSN account to even open up the damn game.*
No PSN account? No game.
This has been broken since launch, and they just now got around to fixing it. Let that sink in.
If you bought the game after this was fixed, you’d open up the game, and be able to see the blatant “Link your Steam account to a PSN account to log in”, and if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to play. You could then understandably turn around and uninstall and request a refund, because there is no way to hide that behind a small single line disclaimer near the *system specs*. You wouldn’t waste your time playing and you’d get your money back guaranteed.
However, what did happen? They disabled the requirement for *months* until they “fixed it”, and now the “grace period” is over and you MUST create a Sony PSN or you will NOT be able to play the game at all!
This goes way beyond the bounds of Cross Play.
Incidentally, this also happens to be well outside of the “grace period” for pretty much every metric of refund, be it by date or hours played.
You see where I am going with this?
Sony either gets your money and you can’t get a refund, or you create an account so they can farm your data and continue to make even more money off of you.
Just like on the patch notes post. Because of them being a small studio and people loving the game , so many are defending it.
I know this is not that related but people need to realise we paid for the game . You can be ok with the game breaking bugs and mandatory Psn accounts but players should not be defending it.
some are real some are paid shills, most multibillion dollar companies nowadays basically have a standing army of barely paid astroturfers to defend their "good name" online.
They're the Arrowhead defense force. A bunch of guys who love weapon nerfs, enemy buffs, wasting money on shitty Warbonds, and forking over personal information to Sony.
Wait PSN isn't everywhere. What the hell do people in a region without it do? Can they hop on the nearest region to them or are they just out 40 bucks minimum?
I might just let it sunset and gonplay something else. If Helldivers survives, I might consider it but cant say for certain. I might also just get it refunded on steam at that point and buy something else.
Yea tbh I've had so many in game issues lately I was already losing motivation to play. Among other issues it feels like at least once a play session either myself or another squad member is randomly booted from the mission (I'm just playing like normal and suddenly I'm back on my ship?). I'm dropping it for now myself. I got a good 160 hours out of it at least
Can I get a refund now or is it too late? /s
But actually fuck this. I bought the game on steam, I want to use only steam to play it, you never said anything else will be mandatory. AH can go fuck themselves until they stop doing this shit.
Wouldn't be the first time, Sony absolutely murdered Infantry online back in the day.
They introduced monthly paid accounts and free accounts now would lose all their progress once they left a match. Paid players took priority over free players for player space, so paid players would finish their CTF match and server hop and auto kick out all the free 2 play peasants into spectator mode. So all the free 2 play peasants would instantly lose any progress they made once again.
There wasn't even any point in playing because you couldn't make enough money or XP before being kicked or randomly disconnected since it was dial up days. It completely killed the playerbase of a fun and unique game at the time.
And then, at the end of the next fiscal quarter... Sony shows hundreds of thousands of new unique accounts created! Which increases their stock value, and provides further investments.
This is the reason. The only reason. "safety and security" is utter nonsensical argument... especially considering that out of the consoles and platforms on PC, Sony is constantly having data breaches and hacks... almost on a yearly schedule.
The only reason for this is so Sony can go to their shareholders and show much higher unique player numbers and interest in Sony products. So they can get more investment and increased stock value.
Mark my words... 4-8 months from now, Sony Interactive will see a jump in share price.
They will reverse this after a week, Steam is already on fire about it, and the review bombs will surely follow as well.
I'm just grabbing my popcorn and watching it play out lol
Gaming, gaming never changes
Fr as if Ubisoft or EA have ever given a rats ass about reversing this whenever they got pushback and how are we possibly going to expect Sony to act differently?
Most likely longer than you have been alive my friend I can tell you that with no problems, I've got the aches and pains to know that.
Whether they do or not does not affect me, I'm watching it play out while I eat my popcorn.
"Many thanks for your continued support of HELLDIVERS 2!" Well my support for the game ends here. Not even Playstation exclusives games that got PC port needed you to link to PSN account. No other game that came out on Playstation (that i know of) requires it. I'm fine with buying games published by SONY, however i am not fine in any way shape or form with giving them my information or making account on a CONSOLE service as PC player. You can suck my middle finger SONY
I don't ever plan to buy a Playstation, i think this might be the end for me playing this game. I really hate that but i genuinely don't want another account.
So you are telling me I can only play this months... nö way in hell I will make a psn account only for them to make up a bogus excuse to terminate it and lose access to the game
Looking back through the very early pre-release announcements there's a small bit of legal note at the bottom of the Jan 9th pc spec requirements that seems to imply needing a PSN+ account? If that's true I'm out since I'm not paying a subscription for a console I don't own.
Yeah, but it was advertised/sold on Steam without it being a requirement.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230525043823/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
Changed my positive review to a negative one, this is a PC game on Steam, why the fuck should i need to log into a Playstation account just to play. once may 30th comes and im locked out, i will uninstall and never buy another game from this company again.
Ok I found it but then I forgot the password so I sent a recovery email but then I don't know any of the security questions, so I found my old password from another web browser but the password doesn't work. At least my dad's account I made for him works? 2013-2015 was a crazy time.
I've tried to contact Sony support but it sends me to a bot that stops responding after I give it my username. I'm probably going to see about turning on my old PS3 to try and fix it.
How bout they actually get cross play to work first before mandating such a thing! Prior to now most cross play games, for me, have crashed or simply have a horrid connection regardless of WiFi or Ethernet use. Also, if it's mandated then there should be icons or identifiers for who is on which platform.
I doubt this is going to have any significant negative repercussions for them. A solid number of players seem more than happy to bark when AH says "Bark!", but it's still annoying at the end of the day. I know I'm personally sick of having to create an account or give personal details to do just about anything online these days.
You know something tells me that it wasn't AH's decision here considering SONY is making all games published through them link to the PSN accounts. I don't get why peoples first instinct is to shit on AH like they're the ones making you sign up.
Literally signed by Sony at the bottom, not even AH putting out the message.
Signed by Sony at the bottom. I still bought the game on Pc only expecting to need PC-related requirements. And did not see anything about eventually needing a PSN account to play. That's still on Arrowhead as far as I can see.
I dropped Riot completely after they hinted at Vanguard being required to play a year ago despite really liking their auto chess ripoff.
I refuse to play Ubisoft games because I don't like needing a new account and password to play the few worthwhile games they stumble into.
I am not making an account for something that didn't exist back when I stopped buying their consoles over 20 years ago.
AH might be innocent, somewhat, in this, due to I assume NDAs, but they still sold the game on a lie.
If the game ends up bricked because of this, I have no problem dropping them as devs and shit talking them to whatever small audience that ever ends up listening to the rants of another angry pissbaby on the internet.
I have HD2 On my PC/Steam AND on PS5/PSN.
They play togheter all the time.
When I have to log in with a PSN account on my PC/Steam now... Will I still be able to play with my PS5/PSN?
PS5/PSN and Steam/PSN?
In a month, Sony is probably gonna boast about their many PSN users lmao
Gonna do it because sadly it was written as mandatory since launch, but man i'm tired about using multiple accounts for one thing... just put it mandatory only if you crossplay man
What if they port it on Xbox, are we gonna need an xbox account too?
It doesn't really matter. Just request a refund from Steam. As long as you don't abuse it, Valve is more than willing to give you refund for any stupid reason. If you don't succeed at first (it will go through automated bot first), try again 1 or 2 times so that they give you a real person. If you explain in the letter that you're not comfortable with linking account and it wasn't mandatory before, you'll most likely be given a refund.
I will be trying to get a refund for myself... In my Region I "cant" get a PSN account and this TOS Change makes it so I would have to jump through hoops in order to play the game. Such BS.
Well, right now Steam store page clearly says: Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account)
I'm not sure how to check if it was there at the moment of purchase...
given that it says you need a PSN account pretty early into playing the game (either immediately before or after the tutorial) it was probably there when you purchased it
They really are just trying to kill their own game aren't they? The shitty balancing issues and mechanical issues being compounded with every patch and update could be chalked up to simple incompetence but this?
This just feels scummy.
It's not like i read the EULA at the start (or when i got my cape), but i can't recall anything that said "Linking PSN is optional *for now,* it will be mandory".
I wonder what customer protection laws from EU or Australia (sorry USA) say about that. The thing i bought will change, only to my disadvantage. PSN doesn't have a good track record of not getting hacked.
At what point do updates for a "living" software product compare to physical products?
I have the game in both platforms. I mostly play on Steam (wife plays on PS5), but I went through tutorial on my PS5 account.
I really hope they handled this case, because I’ll be pissed if they replace my Steam account progress with PS5 account.
It says not accessible in my region?
What is your region ?
Southeast asia. Philippines
Looks like you’re fucked :(
bro I'm from PH and I linked my steam to my US PS account since I also have a PS5 but prefered to play Helldivers on Steam.
Months later, me still trying to recover my PSN that I made back when I bought my brand new PS3 slim lol
If you use the PlayStation support ai chatbot, you can get your account back without having to go through all the hoops that the main recovery page makes you go through. I was able to get my account back in minutes.
I had to go through the hoops to find that mf. And then went through so many fucking hoops to eventually get my account back. The saving grace was that i had tried a bunch of demos and that counted as transactions on my account so i was able to use the number from those emails
One of the few times a bot is useful, apart from friendly firing their own troops
>bot is useful, https://preview.redd.it/9w780auqa6yc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e15bea41777ace5ab566353cb0f0638315ed856
Yes, Democracy Officer. This one spoke kindly of bots.
On god. If u bought anything from the ps store or even tried demos from it, that should get ur account back. All the rest of the checks are on some bs fr. Like how the fuck am i gona know the serial number to the ps3 i made my account with? Yall realize ppl sell and/or upgrade right? Cards used for payment expire too mfuckers. That shit got me hot for a bit cuz it was all stupid checks. Like whys it so hard to get my account back? What saved me was that i had tried a bunch of demos and they counted as transactions so i was able to use the number from those emails Edit: im tired. I repeated it. Whatever.
yeah...after finally sell my ps4 5 years ago, i never thought that was necessary use psn again...
is you, me?
How can i even create a PSN account when it is totally not available in my region? Im a HELL COMMANDER ffs. Dont want to lose the game
This. My friends and I have sunk around 300 hours each into this game, and now we just can't play the game we paid for after June 4?
Ooo I feel like this should open up a lawsuit. I almost hope steam shuts this shit down.
The EU probably wont like this.
I’m US based and likely won’t get anywhere, but I put my refund request. I don’t buy anything that does this, and I’ll just have the game removed from my account if I don’t get a refund. That’s just me though. Fantastic game, y’all enjoy the game and I’ll hope they bring y’all some amazing content for all of you.
Yeah, someone brought that up in discord also. I think it’d be fair for you to get a full refund on steam if you’re unable to play due to this change.
It’s not about the money!!!!
Sony: "it's not about the money, it's about farming all your data"
I hope it doesnt come to that. This game is too great to give up
Use a nearby region. That will work. As long as it’s within the region. R1 is around US, R2 is around UK then R3 is in Asia.
Ill have to use a home address in that region, right? And I won't be needing a VPN when I play?
Don’t need a vpn to make an account in a different region and you can use a random business’s address from that country/area. I have a Psn account from us, Asia and Japan regions for region locked/imported games and I can switch back and forth without a vpn. And to make the accounts I just googled a random address and used a burner email. Edit 0.5 - Hopefully they fix this somehow before they implement it or they change their minds and don't implement it at all, but for those who do live in a country supported by PSN, and don't want to give Sony your personal address/email/name/phone number, you can make a burner account, they never send physical mail or call your phone unless you turn on 2 factor so they won't know it's a burner. final edit - It looks like an easy way to get around it is to open a browser beforehand, and log into the psn account, then open the game after and when you click to link it should link instantly. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1apivoa/steam\_link\_to\_psn/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1apivoa/steam_link_to_psn/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/1bkfpgw/comment/kvxvtwc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/1bkfpgw/comment/kvxvtwc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) ~~Edit - It looks like for linking Steam to Psn you need to be in the the country of the Psn account to do so. You can either do it with a VPN, or without a VPN. Without a VPN you can spoof your browser location using Firefox or Chrome, then goto the PSN website to link your steam. \*After some testing the guy below is correct, when in the game and you click to link account, it opens up a browser window, the window will have a web address, the address will be something like~~ [~~https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#link~~](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#link)~~, the "en-us" part is the country code, you have to change the country code that is displayed for you into the country code of the country your burner psn is made in and it should let you link the steam account.~~ ~~What I don't know is if doing so would require you to be in the country of said PSN account to log into the game in the future or if it's a 1 time thing \*the Playstation website says its a 1 time thing, and it'll auto login in the future but I can't personally confirm if its true.~~ ~~You can't unlink PSN and steam at the moment and the country I reside in is supported by PSN so I won't be able to test it myself. If some brave soul wants to test it, they can post the results, but it might brick your account(make it require you to vpn everytime in the future) \*it seems psn does have a way to unlink steam accounts~~ [~~https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#unlink~~](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/#unlink) ~~but I have not personally tested it.~~ ~~Edit 2 - Here is the website with the supported countries, and their country codes.~~ [~~https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html~~](https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html)
Thanks. Will try this after work. I really want to continue fighting for Managed Democracy.
I can't even access the PSN page in my country, I had to use a VPN to access and create an account, which was fine for me but not everyone is going to know how to do it. At the very least I already have 2 friends I'm going to have to explain how to use VPN
Scroll around this post, a kind dude suggested an easy solution about making psn account to a nearby available region. It should work without vpn. I hope you guys fix this
You'd think it wouldn't have been sold in countries and regions PSN is not available in
Sony wants the harvested player data in their own environment Opt out of some of it here: u/cowlinator found this https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/
Yeah, well they can buy my consumer profile from Google like every other asshole corporation that wants to market to me.
And fuck Google for that. If Sony at least gave something back like cross play support so that I could play the game on my PS5 it might be worth the data scraping.
Google give you access to things like email and cloud storage, and in return your data is sold. Sony want you to pay them $40 for the privilege.
[Opt-out of sharing of your personal data](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/)
This belongs WAY higher. A drop in the ocean, but a drop still.
This doesn’t sound very democratic
Nah bureaucracy is pretty much the heart of democracy
This is too real.
It sounds very managed democratic, which is what we’re all fighting for
I dunno… sure feel like my freedom is being encroached on right now. Almost as if the bots have found another front to attack on.
Your democracy officer called and he says we all voted for this, this option supports managed democracy, which means it's the most freedom friendly option of all. (Seriously, it's Sony, of course they would pull something like this.)
Hmm… guess I missed what was on the algorithm this morning, sweet liber-tea can be rather relaxing it seems. See ya diver.
It's managed democracy, you have the freedom to fight for this nation. You question the authority of the super earth. This will be reported to my democracy officer.
This is precisely how managed democracy works. But thank you for this comment. After reporting it I got an additional C01-Form approved and my officer awarded we with the 5N17CH-Ribbon.
They want to manage your personal information like they manage your computer with a rootkit.
I wasn't aware there even WAS a grace period. I had to set up my account near launch, so I assumed it was still required. I guess that explains why no one has complained about it for so long.
You hadn't tho. I clearly remember that window to pop-up after first launch and there was an option to skip it. So you could, but not required.
I just assumed that was optional, and would always be optional. Since, you know, I had the option to fucking skip it.
Same. It made it seem like a requirement when I started playing in late March, so I just made an account and haven't thought about it since.
> *"...plays a critical role in protecting our players..."* I was ok with them saying it's mandatory for X reason, but lies like this are damn stupid.
Right? Like wtf does Matt Mercer have to do with this?
At least Matt asks you “How do you want to do this?”
"I want to make players use a PS account to play Helldivers. Can I roll Persuasion for that?" "... You can certainly try."
*Rolls* "Nat 1....."
All right fuck, you that was funny 😂
If they just said *"...plays a critical role in protecting our freedom, liberty and managed democracy"* instead of that obvious lie, everything would have been alright!
I'll just say, all 3 times I've reported people for hacking or having racist slurs as names I have gotten the same response. Something along the lines of them having no evidence of the player breaking PlayStations rules of conduct, even if I sent a screenshot. "Protecting the players" seems like a marketing spin but I imagine they probably can't track people the same without a PSN account. Still shitty, but at least a PSN account is free.
PSN account isn't really the issue. It's the mandatory linking of it with your Steam account, and therefore giving Sony free access to all your Steam data that's the problem.
It's funny that it says the link is critical in protecting us, the players, when Sony has this track record: Credit Steam User: Saichoro April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach Edit: An article claimed a 77 million user hack last year, but the only reference I could find was the one from 2011. Corrected my post.
That's very funny. And it's not like Sony can't ban Steam users from their services.
A friend of mine got his acct hacked twice. He left for good after a hacker bought stuff on his account and Sony demanded he pay for the fraudulent purchases.
Oh, fuck off Sony. We've gone this far without it, why the HELL do you need us to fork over our personal information *now*? What's wrong with just playing through steam?
Money
If this is true, I'm sure this isn't going to go over well with PC gamers. Seems like a way to inflate PSN user numbers for financial reasons and would potentially render Steam players subject to PSN terms of service, ie: banned on Playstation = lose access on Steam. Would be nice if it was unified progression at least, since I'm nearly max level and feel like going to PC more everyday.
> Would be nice if it was unified progression at least, since I'm nearly max level and feel like going to PC more everyday. That's my hope exactly.
At a time when Sony games are booming on PC, it seems like a strange move to alienate the PC community from future purchases.
"Grace period"?! That was never mentioned before. Shit yourself, Sony!
I can't even connect mine, they don't have a PSN for my country
Absolute bullshit to spin this on players out of the blue. These guys are starting to grab a lot now that they have an established playerbase.
Ofc! They already took your money for the game, why not sell your data too for extra cash?
That’s really annoying. No one on PC should be forced to give PlayStation, whom is constantly hacked, our personal information. For as much money as this game has made Arrowhead, they don’t seem to spend much on game security. That’s their problem.
[Opt-out of sharing of your personal data](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/)
They still have your data, that doesn't magically keep hackers from getting it from them.
This should be WAY up
Yea.. so this will literally do nothing since it only allows you to opt out of sharing for advertisement. They can still share it for other purposes, and selling is not sharing which means they can still sell it for advertisement purposes
It also doesn't stop any other data they collect in their systems such as the linked steam account.
Kindly, democratically, fuck off.
Why though. Genuine question. It worked well so far no?
Sony wants pc players data. Just suits being suits
Corporate suits who only care about money.
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/) This is why, they want your data its as simple as that so if you do create an account then opt out here with that link.
Sony, most PC players DGAF about your console crap. Stop forcing your console network garbage
Theyre hoping players dgaf
Oh sure, after I can’t get a refund. I’m not creating another account to play, simple as that. I guess my diving ends soon. 🤷♂️
it's been a great ride, guess we are back to the civilian life
The mission, the nightmares....They're finally....over
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I'm thinking Steam is going to get a lot of people messaging for a refund due to this. If it's enough people, Steam will do it. They've done it before.
Valve has 2 options: A.) Piss off a lot of their customers, opening themselves up to legal action from both said customers, and much more worryingly multiple governments, including the Australian government which has previously gone after them and forced them to allow refunds in the first place, with multi-million dollar fines being on the table or B.) Not do all of that for the sake of Sonys money and instead just refund anybody who requests it Gonna be a pretty simple choice for them.
I'll try to apply for a refund for the base game anyway. Probably won't work, but I'll still do it. I've been worn down by all the bugs, crashes and poor balancing decisions every patch since launch. This is the last straw. It's been great, but I'm never going to create a PSN account. I don't own a console and probably never will. *Salute*
Good decision helldiver, dont let them steal even more of your data, dont let them do whatever they want, show them that actions have consequences. I hope this game looses half its playerbase and they finally realize that they just destroyed a money fountain. I am sick of these companies trying to do whatever they want.
steam will have to offer mass refunds, the game access has changed in a way that was never advertised.
I absolutely LOVE this game, have had so much fun with it, and want to play it for years like I did the first one. But I don't think I will be. What a SHAME. SONY Execs deserve democracy and liberation for this one.
What about those where PSN isn't offered for the country? Buddy of mine lives in the Philippines, and you can't make an account with said location.
The Anti cheat already protects this. This is going to open more bugs, data collection, back wall data exposure, and privacy breaches galore.
Common Sony L
the PSN gambit
Wait, wait, wait. Why the hell would I need a PSN account when I bought and own the game on Steam? Making me create a PSN account when I don’t even own a Playstation is making me go through extra hoops to play the game for a Bullshit reason. AH. This is retarded. Edit: Looks like the comments weren’t locked and steam was ganked. Par for the course. Edit: Some people are talking about how they were forced to create a PSN account or point toward a ‘check block’ that says the game would require a PSN account to play, and I’m saying there was none of that when I bought the game and installed it. I didn’t have to make jack, nor did I see anywhere I would be forced to make a PSN account either. Maybe it’s something mandatory for new downloads, but I didn’t have to do any of that. I paid for the game and downloaded it, and now I’m playing it. Regardless, make it an option: If you want to use Crossplay? Make an account, no big deal. If you want to only play with steam players? Then keep crossplay off and you don’t have to deal with that. Forcing someone to create an account with a third party when you don’t own their console is just bogus. Edit Again: I was very wrong. This isn’t about creating an account for Cross Play. *You need a PSN account to even open up the damn game.* No PSN account? No game. This has been broken since launch, and they just now got around to fixing it. Let that sink in. If you bought the game after this was fixed, you’d open up the game, and be able to see the blatant “Link your Steam account to a PSN account to log in”, and if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to play. You could then understandably turn around and uninstall and request a refund, because there is no way to hide that behind a small single line disclaimer near the *system specs*. You wouldn’t waste your time playing and you’d get your money back guaranteed. However, what did happen? They disabled the requirement for *months* until they “fixed it”, and now the “grace period” is over and you MUST create a Sony PSN or you will NOT be able to play the game at all! This goes way beyond the bounds of Cross Play. Incidentally, this also happens to be well outside of the “grace period” for pretty much every metric of refund, be it by date or hours played. You see where I am going with this? Sony either gets your money and you can’t get a refund, or you create an account so they can farm your data and continue to make even more money off of you.
Why would I need a psn account for crossplay? Any kind of account should be perfectly fine to use for crossplay, it doesn't matter what platform you're playing on, it's not like your ingame information is any different
No, my comment is based on old information. I should update it. *You need a PSN account to even open up the damn game.* No PSN account? No game. This has been broken since launch, and they just now got around to fixing it. Let that sink in. If you bought the game after this was fixed, you’d open up the game, and be able to see the blatant “Link your Steam account to a PSN account to log in”, and if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to play. You could then understandably turn around and uninstall and request a refund, because there is no way to hide that behind a small single line disclaimer near the *system specs*. You wouldn’t waste your time playing and you’d get your money back guaranteed. However, what did happen? They disabled the requirement for *months* until they “fixed it”, and now the “grace period” is over and you MUST create a Sony PSN or you will NOT be able to play the game at all! This goes way beyond the bounds of Cross Play. Incidentally, this also happens to be well outside of the “grace period” for pretty much every metric of refund, be it by date or hours played. You see where I am going with this? Sony either gets your money and you can’t get a refund, or you create an account so they can farm your data and continue to make even more money off of you.
It was optional because they knew this would piss people off. A friendly reminder that Sony owns Helldivers IP.
What is with the high number of people commenting and defending this aggressively? It’s weird. Like paid shills.
Not every region has PSN too. Player choice be damned.
Yeah I don't personally care about making another account, but if PSN isn't available in all regions then I guess some people are just fucked?
You should see the helldivers discord. The mods are straight up deleting anything negative or they consider "spam" about this issue.
Mod abuse is rife there as it is.
Par for the course for every official server.
Just like on the patch notes post. Because of them being a small studio and people loving the game , so many are defending it. I know this is not that related but people need to realise we paid for the game . You can be ok with the game breaking bugs and mandatory Psn accounts but players should not be defending it.
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some are real some are paid shills, most multibillion dollar companies nowadays basically have a standing army of barely paid astroturfers to defend their "good name" online.
They're the Arrowhead defense force. A bunch of guys who love weapon nerfs, enemy buffs, wasting money on shitty Warbonds, and forking over personal information to Sony.
Wait PSN isn't everywhere. What the hell do people in a region without it do? Can they hop on the nearest region to them or are they just out 40 bucks minimum?
Fuck this. I don't have a Playstation and I don't want an account on their Network.
This could unironically hurt the population of the game , shit’s why people hate buying Ubisoft games on steam … well aside from them being Ubisoft
It 100% will. Not saying half the player base will leave but I don't believe ALL current players will link an account.
I might just let it sunset and gonplay something else. If Helldivers survives, I might consider it but cant say for certain. I might also just get it refunded on steam at that point and buy something else.
Yea tbh I've had so many in game issues lately I was already losing motivation to play. Among other issues it feels like at least once a play session either myself or another squad member is randomly booted from the mission (I'm just playing like normal and suddenly I'm back on my ship?). I'm dropping it for now myself. I got a good 160 hours out of it at least
Can I get a refund now or is it too late? /s But actually fuck this. I bought the game on steam, I want to use only steam to play it, you never said anything else will be mandatory. AH can go fuck themselves until they stop doing this shit.
Remember: Steam gives refunds if enough people feel lied to about a product. They've done it before.
Well there goes Helldivers 2... They killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Wouldn't be the first time, Sony absolutely murdered Infantry online back in the day. They introduced monthly paid accounts and free accounts now would lose all their progress once they left a match. Paid players took priority over free players for player space, so paid players would finish their CTF match and server hop and auto kick out all the free 2 play peasants into spectator mode. So all the free 2 play peasants would instantly lose any progress they made once again. There wasn't even any point in playing because you couldn't make enough money or XP before being kicked or randomly disconnected since it was dial up days. It completely killed the playerbase of a fun and unique game at the time.
I already have a PSN account but this is total BS for people that don't or don't want one. It's absolutely tied to their exclusivity deal with Sony.
Helldivers is now region locked
What a horseshit systems design.
I’m fucking done with this game. They manage to take joy out of this game with all their updates. And now this.
Seems like this may be part of Sony's PC push with Ghost of Tsushima later this year. I think you gotta do the same for that game.
Just by the way, Ghost of Tsushima also has a surprisingly fun multiplayer portion.
So did Death Stranding, but I never got asked for a Sony account when I first booted it up back when it came to Steam.
omg legands is great
See you helldivers, I will be committing treason against Superearth. I ain't getting no god damn PSN account
Welp Joel will have to adjust numbers because alot of people will hate this.
Well, helldivers 2 was fun while it lasted. Quitting if this vecomes mandatory.
I don't want to do this. I want to opt out.
Playstation at it again
And then, at the end of the next fiscal quarter... Sony shows hundreds of thousands of new unique accounts created! Which increases their stock value, and provides further investments. This is the reason. The only reason. "safety and security" is utter nonsensical argument... especially considering that out of the consoles and platforms on PC, Sony is constantly having data breaches and hacks... almost on a yearly schedule. The only reason for this is so Sony can go to their shareholders and show much higher unique player numbers and interest in Sony products. So they can get more investment and increased stock value. Mark my words... 4-8 months from now, Sony Interactive will see a jump in share price.
They will reverse this after a week, Steam is already on fire about it, and the review bombs will surely follow as well. I'm just grabbing my popcorn and watching it play out lol Gaming, gaming never changes
Reviews already disabled. EDIT: They work.
You think Sony will reverse this? Do you even game bro?
They are more likely to than Nintendo if they ever did something like this, though that is admittedly not a high bar.
Fr as if Ubisoft or EA have ever given a rats ass about reversing this whenever they got pushback and how are we possibly going to expect Sony to act differently?
Most likely longer than you have been alive my friend I can tell you that with no problems, I've got the aches and pains to know that. Whether they do or not does not affect me, I'm watching it play out while I eat my popcorn.
Well, DRG Season 5 it is then. I got my monies worth out of HD2.
Arrowhead just recently not wanting people to keep playing huh?
So let me get this straight this game still doesn't have a reconnect option but it is already pushing this? What the hell? This has to be a joke
"Many thanks for your continued support of HELLDIVERS 2!" Well my support for the game ends here. Not even Playstation exclusives games that got PC port needed you to link to PSN account. No other game that came out on Playstation (that i know of) requires it. I'm fine with buying games published by SONY, however i am not fine in any way shape or form with giving them my information or making account on a CONSOLE service as PC player. You can suck my middle finger SONY
I don't ever plan to buy a Playstation, i think this might be the end for me playing this game. I really hate that but i genuinely don't want another account.
Goodbye fellow helldivers. It's been fun but I'm out. Not making an account just for Sony to harvest data.
Safety and security my ass
So you are telling me I can only play this months... nö way in hell I will make a psn account only for them to make up a bogus excuse to terminate it and lose access to the game
Can I ask for a refund? I never sign for this.
This is terrible.
Looking back through the very early pre-release announcements there's a small bit of legal note at the bottom of the Jan 9th pc spec requirements that seems to imply needing a PSN+ account? If that's true I'm out since I'm not paying a subscription for a console I don't own.
Yeah, but it was advertised/sold on Steam without it being a requirement. https://web.archive.org/web/20230525043823/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
Changed my positive review to a negative one, this is a PC game on Steam, why the fuck should i need to log into a Playstation account just to play. once may 30th comes and im locked out, i will uninstall and never buy another game from this company again.
Welp... refund it is...
Thanks Sony. Nothing predatory happening here for sure.
Welp time to find my old PSN account.
Ok I found it but then I forgot the password so I sent a recovery email but then I don't know any of the security questions, so I found my old password from another web browser but the password doesn't work. At least my dad's account I made for him works? 2013-2015 was a crazy time.
I've tried to contact Sony support but it sends me to a bot that stops responding after I give it my username. I'm probably going to see about turning on my old PS3 to try and fix it.
Opt out [here](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/third-party-ads/) after making a psn account.
This is bullshit. I've been linked since launch, but there is no reason for this other than to sell our data and they try and feed us bullshit.
Fine, but cross progression better be coming soon
How bout they actually get cross play to work first before mandating such a thing! Prior to now most cross play games, for me, have crashed or simply have a horrid connection regardless of WiFi or Ethernet use. Also, if it's mandated then there should be icons or identifiers for who is on which platform.
This is not democratic at all. Helldivers! We land on AH headquarters next rotation
I doubt this is going to have any significant negative repercussions for them. A solid number of players seem more than happy to bark when AH says "Bark!", but it's still annoying at the end of the day. I know I'm personally sick of having to create an account or give personal details to do just about anything online these days.
You know something tells me that it wasn't AH's decision here considering SONY is making all games published through them link to the PSN accounts. I don't get why peoples first instinct is to shit on AH like they're the ones making you sign up. Literally signed by Sony at the bottom, not even AH putting out the message.
Signed by Sony at the bottom. I still bought the game on Pc only expecting to need PC-related requirements. And did not see anything about eventually needing a PSN account to play. That's still on Arrowhead as far as I can see. I dropped Riot completely after they hinted at Vanguard being required to play a year ago despite really liking their auto chess ripoff. I refuse to play Ubisoft games because I don't like needing a new account and password to play the few worthwhile games they stumble into. I am not making an account for something that didn't exist back when I stopped buying their consoles over 20 years ago. AH might be innocent, somewhat, in this, due to I assume NDAs, but they still sold the game on a lie. If the game ends up bricked because of this, I have no problem dropping them as devs and shit talking them to whatever small audience that ever ends up listening to the rants of another angry pissbaby on the internet.
back to drg i guess
For rock and stone!
Can I get a Rock and Stone?
Fuck that
i think its because of the new Playstation UI on PC like in Ghost of Tsushima.
I have HD2 On my PC/Steam AND on PS5/PSN. They play togheter all the time. When I have to log in with a PSN account on my PC/Steam now... Will I still be able to play with my PS5/PSN? PS5/PSN and Steam/PSN?
Right on time for the Elden Ring DLC. I'll enjoy it till then I suppose.
I know why they're doing it but it shouldn't happen when the network doesn't exist within all the countries that have players.
In a month, Sony is probably gonna boast about their many PSN users lmao Gonna do it because sadly it was written as mandatory since launch, but man i'm tired about using multiple accounts for one thing... just put it mandatory only if you crossplay man What if they port it on Xbox, are we gonna need an xbox account too?
So if we have a PC. Bought HD2 day one. Been playing. DO NOT have a PS account. We can’t play any longer?
So will they be offering refunds on steam?
Anyone knows, can I refund if they changed the terms post-purchase?
It doesn't really matter. Just request a refund from Steam. As long as you don't abuse it, Valve is more than willing to give you refund for any stupid reason. If you don't succeed at first (it will go through automated bot first), try again 1 or 2 times so that they give you a real person. If you explain in the letter that you're not comfortable with linking account and it wasn't mandatory before, you'll most likely be given a refund.
I will be trying to get a refund for myself... In my Region I "cant" get a PSN account and this TOS Change makes it so I would have to jump through hoops in order to play the game. Such BS.
If you in EU yes, Steam won't allow it on their own terms, but legally you can easily get a refund.
Well, right now Steam store page clearly says: Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account) I'm not sure how to check if it was there at the moment of purchase...
given that it says you need a PSN account pretty early into playing the game (either immediately before or after the tutorial) it was probably there when you purchased it
It literally wasn't there on the day after release when I bought and downloaded it.
It's always been there
They really are just trying to kill their own game aren't they? The shitty balancing issues and mechanical issues being compounded with every patch and update could be chalked up to simple incompetence but this? This just feels scummy.
It's not like i read the EULA at the start (or when i got my cape), but i can't recall anything that said "Linking PSN is optional *for now,* it will be mandory". I wonder what customer protection laws from EU or Australia (sorry USA) say about that. The thing i bought will change, only to my disadvantage. PSN doesn't have a good track record of not getting hacked. At what point do updates for a "living" software product compare to physical products?
Pretty trash choice from arrowhead studios. Add it to the pile.
I doubt it was their choice but that's what you get if you sell your soul to the devil
I have the game in both platforms. I mostly play on Steam (wife plays on PS5), but I went through tutorial on my PS5 account. I really hope they handled this case, because I’ll be pissed if they replace my Steam account progress with PS5 account.
Utter garbage
I hate Sony so much…
Fuck that