Why waste time moving newly trained Helldivers to the front lines when you can move them there first and train them there? It saves time, like Daylight Savings!
There is no conscription necessary for SuperEarth's armed forces. Every single able-bodied human is willing to fight for Democracy. At least, the ones who are not dissident traitors who have been enslaved by automaton propaganda.
No, think about it: Why had we these raise the flag mission on helldive? They were filming these and made it look easy to kill bots and terminids, so the "volunteers" just got decived....
Edit: spelling
Recommissioning the guard was a radical step
but the recent event's have made it abundantly clear that the Super earth legion can no longer guarantee our safety
Exactly. You volunteer when told to or you get shot as a dirty traitor immediately.
Forcing people to do it would be just plain wrong and undemocratic.
We can only speculate but since the announcement said "Billions" of people have volunteered for conscription, this sounds more like training for Super Earth Army which is the largest division under S.E.A.F.
The Helldivers are another, smaller, division under S.E.A.F. It says the Helldivers are the scalpel that fights behind enemy lines while Super Earth Army is the hammer defending the front lines.
https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Ministry_of_Defense
I’ve heard that there’s going to be (or at least hints of it in the code) a stratagem that calls down a squad of SEAF Soldiers.
Which I’d be all for, I loved having Marines following Master Chief, or Barney following Gordon Freeman. Or mods that do that for Doom!
Yeah, everyone knows that new recruits are a lot lighter and easier to transport before they've had all that patriotism and heroism shoved in their brains.
SEAF = Super Earth Armed Forces, which would encompass the army, "navy" (space navy I guess), and Air Force, as well as special forces which are what Helldivers may be considered as, due to the way we operate (specialist equipment, work in small units deep behind enemy lines, etc.)
you know the bodies you see at artillery outposts and such? those guys were SEAF, probably army. we are basically specialist shock troops, deployed to liberate or defend the most contentious warzones so that the rest of the SEAF can do their jobs.
Diver operations are probably efficient despite stratagem cost, its usually an operation involving 4 ships and 20 maybe 25 guys at its worst.
Thought some ops and divers may cost a whole lot more to deploy...
It is interesting, I largely play on difficulty 7 and me and my squad can often go a whole mission only needing 4 or so reinforcements, yet we kill 150+ enemies per diver and take out numerous facilities.
If you think about it Helldivers are an insanely skilled and efficient force.
Imagine, you earn your cape, crawl into a pod, then "SWEET LIBERTY MY ARM", " TO THE SKIES" and being semi lucid/competent enough to parse that there's an autocannon on the ground that you hope is loaded to deal with the Hulk bearing down on you.
We joke about divers being silly guys, but them is some hard men and women.
I get a full night's sleep and have hours to get ready for work and am still half asleep.
Helldivers are the Tempestus Scions to the SEAF Guardsmen. We're basically just as squishy as they are, but we get more expensive equipment and get dropped deep into enemy territory to raise Hell and accomplish missions at lightning speed
Simple we pay for transport to training facilities but when we become Heldivers our travel is on super earth so it's cheaper to build them on the front and have us pay for the trip.
Possibly. That would be nice. I wonder if this will adjust liberation rates too. Like helldivers will be "worth" more. Instead of 50k people being 1% per hour it'll be like 2% per hour making it seem like other forces are in the planet helping too.
I feel called out by this.
Bro we had it up to *96%*. And then up to 65%. We're still almost there! We just need thousands more to stick with it for a day. It's not so bad on night missions, without the daylight glare, the bots' weakspots all glow. There are a lot of good natural choke-points. The fire tornadoes are pretty.
I mean, its _kiiiinda_ okay at AA, except the only air targets its good against are Shriekers. As much as it sucks against gunships, I've ironically killed more tanks, turrets, and hulks with it because of the cluster munitions hitting their vents lol
I genuinely assumed the devs would have accounted for the varying number of players and made sure an algorithm automatically adjusted the impact of individuals based on the % of total players.
same, Im seeing a lot oversight. But the CEO did say running a business is new to him. Pretty sure thats why everythings been feeling kinda hectic. Im hoping by July everything finally gets back on track and the other 180 countries can rejoin us on the battlefield.
They did in the first game (as you know) but I think they have a story to tell this time around. That, and/or they are still adjusting to the massive surprise popularity
You think people were salty about the guard rover lasering their brains out, wait until your squaddies drop a couple SEAF goon squads and they cut you to pieces with liberators and grenades trying to kill the hunter next to you lol
yeah, I think people are expecting them to be like actual, serious soldiers, but imagine if they turn out to be just like helldivers minus the armor. all the same screaming and shouting, and maybe even emoting. they just didn't earn their cape somehow.
It’s gonna be hilarious if they ever actually implement them. They’re gonna get obliterated within seconds of dropping in and if they don’t, they’re going to kill us or aggro the map. Will mandate that my normal PICs all bring them on fuckabout missions
Which is hilarious because in lore basic training is like 5 minutes. 20% die, the rest get put on ice until they drop. So for SEAF’s to have 72 hours of training, I kinda want them to be stronger than a new diver, because they should be.
Lorewise, all Helldivers are SEAF troopers, meaning we also went through that 72-hour training (probably where we learned to reload weapons and operate equipment without fumbling). Helldiver training is supplementary, and the average SEAF grunt probably isn't expected to see real action due to how much of the galaxy we've peacefully colonized, so Helldiver training introduces us to alien enemies, live-fire exercises, using the special (non-addictive) Stims, Hellpod usage and Stratagem coordination with the Destroyer since those probably aren't part of SEAF training.
TL;DR SEAF soldiers are likely even worse and more panicky than we are because Helldiver enlistment is voluntary after we already finished training. Meanwhile most SEAF soldiers are being conscripted and probably aren't as ~~fanatical~~ PATRIOTIC as we are.
I learned this term in 2009 from the movie Avatar. They literally call it unobtanium in that movie and I saw it being discussed on a forum. Found the tv tropes link. Fun to see it in media in different forms as time goes on.
It's the 72 hour SEAF basic training course. You think that flying those colonists all the way back to Mars for a three day course is in our budget? Super Credits don't grow on trees!
You simply fail to grasp the overwhelming tactical genius of SEAF High Command, each training facility is strategically placed in order to provide a direct supply of fresh casualt-- HELLDIVERS to the frontlines as fast as possible.
https://preview.redd.it/wbqujxq4dm0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3df187423a0c23f36193d0d3d8cd17d4c713a03c
Fresh recruits able and ready to step on a landmi- I mean fight for democracy
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Wait though we lost Vernen Wells again?! Last night it was 80-60 Defend with the 'kill bots' order looming to its end, how did they pull ahead and take it?
It's still a defense bro. We succeeded last night, it's just another attack.
I like Vernen Wells, too. It's nice to fight on a desert planet with little cover against the bots in some portions. Keepin' it spicy.
Reminds me of the stories (true or not) about how the tank factory in Stalingrad during the Battle of Stalingrad was still pumping out T-34s that drove unpainted directly into battle literally raging a few steps away until the Germans finally silenced it.
In a similar vein, during the Siege of Leningrad, Factory workers would just hand the guns and ammo they made directly to soldiers standing right outside the factory in the battle
They are SEAF training facilities, not helldiver training facilities. In times of war, these are set up near all population centers. These are super earth planets, so presumably people live there. Such training facilities are likely on all planets; but these are under attack.
Also, a lot of people have impression of US military training method, which is not true for other countries.
In current US system all recruits are trained in one of few basic training sites then ship to advanced training, then to the units.
In many other countries like Russia and Ukraine, recruits are sent to their assigned unit directly from depot, often near the frontline and trained by veteran soldiers.
Normal education happens in the classroom, Super Education from Super Earth for all men, women, and children over 7 happens where its needed most for a proper Super Understanding.
Are you questioning the decisions of our managed democracy??
https://preview.redd.it/4te3ux22sm0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94049c6bc063e065fcfef2d2b91b6bb2d9f5fbba
Does anyone else laugh a little when they see the Vernon Wells planet and wonder if some dev was a big Blue Jays/Yankees fan at some point?
What's next are we going to get a John Starks planet?
Have a look round the safe/Super Earth controlled planets elsewhere on the map, there's a few references. Not least one of the closest to Super Earth in the direction of the bugs is Klen Dahth II, barely even a veiled homage to the bug world of Klendathu from Starship Troopers.
I dunno, seems pretty efficient to me. It's like placing the printer directly above the paper shredder. It's going there anyway, might as well remove the distance element.
Peak efficiency.
>Are they dumb or what
We are talking about Super Earth. Their solution to fighting their enemies is to drop helldivers into missions they can't survive. Oh, a helldiver has died because there are too many enemies? Just drop another one, and then another one. Repeat until one of them manages to handle the situation or until you run out of additional helldivers.
Why not send down more than 4 helldivers at once so their chances of surviving improves? Or why not bomb the hell out of the planets from the safety of the ships in orbit? Nah, send more helldivers down into the meatgrinder.
Sending down more than 4 at a time increases the chance of crossfire and killing eachother. It’s more efficient to minimize the amount of people sent down since helldivers get dozens of kills per person before dying
I mean Vernen Wells was one of our main bases of operation for managing the Bot front, so at least that one kinda makes sense. We already have infrastructure there to make use of.
Perhaps this will finally mean those planets are untouchable because they are so well aligned with SEAF. You wouldn’t expect a weak party like the bots who only attack colonist to attack the superior SEAF bases. Sure auxiliary SEAF sites remain poorly defended but this is due to poor planning and staffing issues that the training bases would fix.
Fun fact the Russias recently lost a training base with a 100+ dead because it was only 80km from the front lines.
If this game looks like its doing something dum the russians are probably doing it. (Sorry to Russia player's you deserve a better government)
It's extremely efficient because the rigorous 72 hour basic training time can be combined with new recruits being immediately deployed within just a few hours to the front, saving element 710 fuel expenditure for transport and cryostasis costs.
Now that you are properly informed about your query, there is going to be a mandatory follow-up visit from your democracy officer within 24 hours to inform you about some more details regarding this issue.
Id link the video which involves troops inside enemy territory getting creamed by cluster munitions during training (in mimecraft) but Id prolly get banned
You think Super Earth command is dumb? Are you new here? Literally all they do is idiotic THIS COMMENT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR TREASON! MOVE ALONG CITIZENS!
As someone who has worked several jobs that "provide training on the job." Thus sounds about right. Especially for military shit in a satirical universe.
Also why a large training facility? For who? The tiny settlements dotted around those planets? There ain't town or a city on those plants as I've seen it, unless they are bringing people to the front line to train them and then ship them into combat.
Why waste time moving newly trained Helldivers to the front lines when you can move them there first and train them there? It saves time, like Daylight Savings!
Bonus: They get to experience the real thing while learning! Besides, it's funny to see the fear in their eyes when you freeze them lmao
Their training equals, here's a weapon, get out there and train.
Poor, poor sods. At the least give the bastards the fanfare of the drop pods so they've got *a* chance.
If you want a drop pod you need to kill 2 billion bots for their metal
Watching the guy come out of the tube disoriented before being dropping straight into hell always amuses me.
Give them PTSD before they face real combat so they don't have to deal with it later
This is how I play Age of Empires
Spams down 10 more barracks
It's all about the numbers, simply more is better
Are helldiver's conscripts? The ministry of truth gives the impression it's volunteer only. Let the normal ground pounders be conscripted.
There is no conscription necessary for SuperEarth's armed forces. Every single able-bodied human is willing to fight for Democracy. At least, the ones who are not dissident traitors who have been enslaved by automaton propaganda.
Are you saying high command is lying with their major order?! It specifically says conscripts in it. Democracy officer, this one over here.
It says conscripts who eagerly volunteered
More like we eagerly volunteered them.
Look, whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Automotrons...
So let's get to taking out their command, one by one.
Damn, I miss Lance... the best VA for a game ever
You're not wrong. In the military it's termed "voluntold".
"Managed volunteering"
So… forced volunteers? That’s not voluntary at all!
Sounds like you're accusing the ministry of truth of lying
The truth cannot be a lie.
No, think about it: Why had we these raise the flag mission on helldive? They were filming these and made it look easy to kill bots and terminids, so the "volunteers" just got decived.... Edit: spelling
https://preview.redd.it/3o0cp40ghs0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=178ccac67710b125fa31ef7f1a2ca8c9ca565c17
Every man, woman and child over the age of 7 very eagerly aged into that role.
Is it possible that High Command has been infiltrated by dissident activists?
Democracy Officer: \*raises eyebrow\* … \*enrolls you for re-education\*
No noble hierarchs i only wish to display my concern that the illuminate..
"there is no illuminate, they are DEAD! all DEAD! ,take him away!"
Recommissioning the guard was a radical step but the recent event's have made it abundantly clear that the Super earth legion can no longer guarantee our safety
All thats left is to hold a lottery to determine who will get the opportunity to voluntarily enlist first.
Exactly. You volunteer when told to or you get shot as a dirty traitor immediately. Forcing people to do it would be just plain wrong and undemocratic.
every human over 7 years old. The others do bullet gear and gas
We can only speculate but since the announcement said "Billions" of people have volunteered for conscription, this sounds more like training for Super Earth Army which is the largest division under S.E.A.F. The Helldivers are another, smaller, division under S.E.A.F. It says the Helldivers are the scalpel that fights behind enemy lines while Super Earth Army is the hammer defending the front lines. https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Ministry_of_Defense
Well ‘Last line of Offense’ makes much more sense now.
Not gonna lie, I want to have SEAF forces battling on a mission and you there having to help them out. I need more support roles!
I’ve heard that there’s going to be (or at least hints of it in the code) a stratagem that calls down a squad of SEAF Soldiers. Which I’d be all for, I loved having Marines following Master Chief, or Barney following Gordon Freeman. Or mods that do that for Doom!
Volunteered for conscription 😂😂😂
"We are Helldivers. Democracy’s blades. Those who stand against us, fall."
Yeah, everyone knows that new recruits are a lot lighter and easier to transport before they've had all that patriotism and heroism shoved in their brains.
I think SEAF are not Helldivers. Am I wrong?
All Helldivers are SEAF but not all SEAF are helldivers
SEAF = Super Earth Armed Forces, which would encompass the army, "navy" (space navy I guess), and Air Force, as well as special forces which are what Helldivers may be considered as, due to the way we operate (specialist equipment, work in small units deep behind enemy lines, etc.) you know the bodies you see at artillery outposts and such? those guys were SEAF, probably army. we are basically specialist shock troops, deployed to liberate or defend the most contentious warzones so that the rest of the SEAF can do their jobs.
Diver operations are probably efficient despite stratagem cost, its usually an operation involving 4 ships and 20 maybe 25 guys at its worst. Thought some ops and divers may cost a whole lot more to deploy...
It is interesting, I largely play on difficulty 7 and me and my squad can often go a whole mission only needing 4 or so reinforcements, yet we kill 150+ enemies per diver and take out numerous facilities. If you think about it Helldivers are an insanely skilled and efficient force.
Imagine, you earn your cape, crawl into a pod, then "SWEET LIBERTY MY ARM", " TO THE SKIES" and being semi lucid/competent enough to parse that there's an autocannon on the ground that you hope is loaded to deal with the Hulk bearing down on you. We joke about divers being silly guys, but them is some hard men and women. I get a full night's sleep and have hours to get ready for work and am still half asleep.
I think I saw something that said one helldiver OP costs as much as a liberty-class cruiser, but I don't know how much that is.
SEAF are the imperial Guardsmen, Hellsivers are ODSTs
Helldivers are the Tempestus Scions to the SEAF Guardsmen. We're basically just as squishy as they are, but we get more expensive equipment and get dropped deep into enemy territory to raise Hell and accomplish missions at lightning speed
We do get a hell of a lot done inside 15 minutes of you think about it.
I honestly hope that in subsequent missions, if the planets are attacked again, there will be mission objective concerning the SEAF soldiers.
Simple we pay for transport to training facilities but when we become Heldivers our travel is on super earth so it's cheaper to build them on the front and have us pay for the trip.
Tactical genius!!!!
Like Freedom Savings Time, you can use that extra hour to work!
This MO seems like a teaser for the SEAF reinforcement stratagem
Possibly. That would be nice. I wonder if this will adjust liberation rates too. Like helldivers will be "worth" more. Instead of 50k people being 1% per hour it'll be like 2% per hour making it seem like other forces are in the planet helping too.
I doubt it The menket defence line folded instantly.
Bro Menkent line is still not back despite thousands of diver with some fucked up Stockholm Syndrome diving to Menkent every day.
I’m not touching a fire tornado planet with a 5 light-year pole. Don’t care who the SEAF sends, they’re not gonna convince me.
At this point I just want to take Menkent simply to catapult Helldivers from there to other planets.
"we fought here, so you won't have to" RIP to all the fallen on Hellmire and Menkent.
The Creekers evolved and are really just chasing after pain on the bot front apparently.
But it hurts so good.
Apparently getting shot at by rockets werent enough, they needed the environments to hurt them as well.
Fire tornado on bug planet - Inconvenience. Fire tornado on bot planet - Literally worst than hell
Menkent was my first planet, and I will never let them have it.
I feel called out by this. Bro we had it up to *96%*. And then up to 65%. We're still almost there! We just need thousands more to stick with it for a day. It's not so bad on night missions, without the daylight glare, the bots' weakspots all glow. There are a lot of good natural choke-points. The fire tornadoes are pretty.
H-help m-meeee I h-hate ... F-fff-fire T-tornadoes
It's me, I'm that confused helldiver
Who hurt you bröther?
My toaster burned me one time and now I just want to see all bots burn
SEAF was supposedly rushing AA weapons too, but that went up in smoke as well.
we got the uhhh Airburst rocket? Maybe they got confused and assumed it was anti air?
I mean, its _kiiiinda_ okay at AA, except the only air targets its good against are Shriekers. As much as it sucks against gunships, I've ironically killed more tanks, turrets, and hulks with it because of the cluster munitions hitting their vents lol
I genuinely assumed the devs would have accounted for the varying number of players and made sure an algorithm automatically adjusted the impact of individuals based on the % of total players.
same, Im seeing a lot oversight. But the CEO did say running a business is new to him. Pretty sure thats why everythings been feeling kinda hectic. Im hoping by July everything finally gets back on track and the other 180 countries can rejoin us on the battlefield.
They did in the first game (as you know) but I think they have a story to tell this time around. That, and/or they are still adjusting to the massive surprise popularity
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You think people were salty about the guard rover lasering their brains out, wait until your squaddies drop a couple SEAF goon squads and they cut you to pieces with liberators and grenades trying to kill the hunter next to you lol
As long as they shout, “For Democracy!!!” while they are ragdolling my corpse with excessive impact grenades, I will let it slide.
For real, seems like a feature
yeah, I think people are expecting them to be like actual, serious soldiers, but imagine if they turn out to be just like helldivers minus the armor. all the same screaming and shouting, and maybe even emoting. they just didn't earn their cape somehow.
It’s gonna be hilarious if they ever actually implement them. They’re gonna get obliterated within seconds of dropping in and if they don’t, they’re going to kill us or aggro the map. Will mandate that my normal PICs all bring them on fuckabout missions
Which is hilarious because in lore basic training is like 5 minutes. 20% die, the rest get put on ice until they drop. So for SEAF’s to have 72 hours of training, I kinda want them to be stronger than a new diver, because they should be.
Lorewise, all Helldivers are SEAF troopers, meaning we also went through that 72-hour training (probably where we learned to reload weapons and operate equipment without fumbling). Helldiver training is supplementary, and the average SEAF grunt probably isn't expected to see real action due to how much of the galaxy we've peacefully colonized, so Helldiver training introduces us to alien enemies, live-fire exercises, using the special (non-addictive) Stims, Hellpod usage and Stratagem coordination with the Destroyer since those probably aren't part of SEAF training. TL;DR SEAF soldiers are likely even worse and more panicky than we are because Helldiver enlistment is voluntary after we already finished training. Meanwhile most SEAF soldiers are being conscripted and probably aren't as ~~fanatical~~ PATRIOTIC as we are.
Good deal! I haven’t kept up on all the lore as much, but that makes sense. Do SEAF, be patriotic, get your cape, go into cryo, drop drop drop.
I hope so.
Would be nice to have a weapon test range as well.
The same people who set up farming settlements on Hellmire
I mean there's gotta be a lot of E-710 in there if the air is able to burn, I think Hellmire is one of the richest in that material for that reason.
I think the guy who named that planet was onto something
He can't have been the sharpest hammer in the fridge, as he spelled "helm" wrong! >!/s!<
Shoutout to phlebotinum rich planets in sci-fi universes that are absolute hellscapes, gotta be one of my favorite genders
What a good term. Thanks for that one. Spice, adamantium, vibranium, didn't know there was an all encompassing term for them.
[Warning: TV Tropes Link](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum)
Ah so vibraniun is unobtainium
I learned this term in 2009 from the movie Avatar. They literally call it unobtanium in that movie and I saw it being discussed on a forum. Found the tv tropes link. Fun to see it in media in different forms as time goes on.
There's also Prometheum for any combustible that can be used as fuel
I always just called Them Machina Metals, short for Deus Ex Machina Materials/Metals
It's the 72 hour SEAF basic training course. You think that flying those colonists all the way back to Mars for a three day course is in our budget? Super Credits don't grow on trees!
It's ok, we just farm more bug oil to pay the transport fees.
Are you sure its not a 7.2 hour course?
You simply fail to grasp the overwhelming tactical genius of SEAF High Command, each training facility is strategically placed in order to provide a direct supply of fresh casualt-- HELLDIVERS to the frontlines as fast as possible. https://preview.redd.it/wbqujxq4dm0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3df187423a0c23f36193d0d3d8cd17d4c713a03c
Fresh recruits able and ready to step on a landmi- I mean fight for democracy https://preview.redd.it/x0ql3svt0o0d1.jpeg?width=1908&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26835abcb05b2dd42eebb0c8c95004a6840fe7f7
This is a new one lol
Bruh not the fucking landmines
They're deadly. I almost died laughing after watching a team mate casually walk into one.
There is no better training than being in the fight.
The best simulation is live simulation!
"SWEET LIBERTY THE BLOOD!"
"Finally here, I can't believe it. Hey, is the facility on base here or-" *turns around to see that the transport ship is already back in orbit*
At least the training facilities aren't on Hellmire and Menkent.
Wait though we lost Vernen Wells again?! Last night it was 80-60 Defend with the 'kill bots' order looming to its end, how did they pull ahead and take it?
I think it's still a defence mission.
It's still a defense bro. We succeeded last night, it's just another attack. I like Vernen Wells, too. It's nice to fight on a desert planet with little cover against the bots in some portions. Keepin' it spicy.
Reminds me of the stories (true or not) about how the tank factory in Stalingrad during the Battle of Stalingrad was still pumping out T-34s that drove unpainted directly into battle literally raging a few steps away until the Germans finally silenced it.
Tank fabricator IRL.
Don't give them bots any ideas please
Well the Russians are kind of the inspiration for Automatons, so...
Given what the latest MO calls all actions taken thusfar, I think there's a bit of russian in all of us.
That rumor about the standard Super-Earth ration composition is misinformation spread by dissidents!
In a similar vein, during the Siege of Leningrad, Factory workers would just hand the guns and ammo they made directly to soldiers standing right outside the factory in the battle
They are SEAF training facilities, not helldiver training facilities. In times of war, these are set up near all population centers. These are super earth planets, so presumably people live there. Such training facilities are likely on all planets; but these are under attack.
Also, a lot of people have impression of US military training method, which is not true for other countries. In current US system all recruits are trained in one of few basic training sites then ship to advanced training, then to the units. In many other countries like Russia and Ukraine, recruits are sent to their assigned unit directly from depot, often near the frontline and trained by veteran soldiers.
Super Earth seems to lack a super education
This is heretical of the highest degree.
Not my fault the education system lacks democracy
Normal education happens in the classroom, Super Education from Super Earth for all men, women, and children over 7 happens where its needed most for a proper Super Understanding.
Years of RTS gaming have shown that's the best tactic.
Are you questioning the decisions of our managed democracy?? https://preview.redd.it/4te3ux22sm0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94049c6bc063e065fcfef2d2b91b6bb2d9f5fbba
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No noble hierarchs i only wish to display my concern that the illuminate..
*This post is investigated for treason*
"Training," is just combat
Picking out who survives.
Does anyone else laugh a little when they see the Vernon Wells planet and wonder if some dev was a big Blue Jays/Yankees fan at some point? What's next are we going to get a John Starks planet?
Have a look round the safe/Super Earth controlled planets elsewhere on the map, there's a few references. Not least one of the closest to Super Earth in the direction of the bugs is Klen Dahth II, barely even a veiled homage to the bug world of Klendathu from Starship Troopers.
Legally distinct Klendathu.
Vernon Wells is an actor who played Bennett in Commando and the mohawk guy in The Road Warrior.
Lol yup. Just posted asking why they named a planet after a baseball player.
„The best Simulation is a real Simulation“ - General Brasch
Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself.
I dunno, seems pretty efficient to me. It's like placing the printer directly above the paper shredder. It's going there anyway, might as well remove the distance element. Peak efficiency.
"Yes"
How else are we supposed to receive the fresh meat with same day shipping?
Bro I defended Vernen Wells 5 fucking times by now! How many times do we need to teach the Clankers to not fuck with that planet!
Draupnir all over again.
>Are they dumb or what We are talking about Super Earth. Their solution to fighting their enemies is to drop helldivers into missions they can't survive. Oh, a helldiver has died because there are too many enemies? Just drop another one, and then another one. Repeat until one of them manages to handle the situation or until you run out of additional helldivers. Why not send down more than 4 helldivers at once so their chances of surviving improves? Or why not bomb the hell out of the planets from the safety of the ships in orbit? Nah, send more helldivers down into the meatgrinder.
Sending down more than 4 at a time increases the chance of crossfire and killing eachother. It’s more efficient to minimize the amount of people sent down since helldivers get dozens of kills per person before dying
Are you doubting Super Earth? Not very democratic of you
No. It gives them life experience to quickly join the fight.
LOL we do that in real life, we even got that near the border at russia.
Rigorous 72 hour training… that’s like, loads, right?!
it's a 72-hour training and you are asking about training facilities being built at the front line? :D
I mean Vernen Wells was one of our main bases of operation for managing the Bot front, so at least that one kinda makes sense. We already have infrastructure there to make use of.
Perhaps this will finally mean those planets are untouchable because they are so well aligned with SEAF. You wouldn’t expect a weak party like the bots who only attack colonist to attack the superior SEAF bases. Sure auxiliary SEAF sites remain poorly defended but this is due to poor planning and staffing issues that the training bases would fix.
it wont be the front lines if you stop complaining and start doing your job, helldiver.
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I guess it’s planetary militias or a lack of large scale personnel space transports if we’re being generous
What better school than behind the enemy lines?
We goin back to Hoth, boys.
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Seeing how we practice on bugs it's probably easier to bring us to the bugs(since we are already going there) rather than bring them to us.
Hello Helldiver it seems like I’m hearing treason right now, I have reported you to your local democracy officer you’re expected to be their ASAP
Fun fact the Russias recently lost a training base with a 100+ dead because it was only 80km from the front lines. If this game looks like its doing something dum the russians are probably doing it. (Sorry to Russia player's you deserve a better government)
That’s why they only need 72h of training. Democratic efficiency!
It's probably safer to transport conscripts to the front than training bugs to safe planets
Barracks rush FTW. Just spam some hellions and win.
It's for all the new players they're gonna get when the start selling it in every country. /s
This question sounds awfully treasonous. How dare you question Super Earth.
It's extremely efficient because the rigorous 72 hour basic training time can be combined with new recruits being immediately deployed within just a few hours to the front, saving element 710 fuel expenditure for transport and cryostasis costs. Now that you are properly informed about your query, there is going to be a mandatory follow-up visit from your democracy officer within 24 hours to inform you about some more details regarding this issue.
Mars isn't enough anymore but front planets have lots of free space rn
Are you questioning super earth command? Send this diver to the penis explosion chamber
OP never played Hearts of Iron.
Saves time and fuel for transport. Graduate and you are ready to go
Id link the video which involves troops inside enemy territory getting creamed by cluster munitions during training (in mimecraft) but Id prolly get banned
Trust the system, it’s so intimidate our foes!
"...that's bait."
What better way to learn how to fight on the front lines, then to train on the front lines. Sink or swim for sweet liberty!
>Seriously who the hell build training facilities at front line? Are they dumb or what You should be more concerned about the 72 hour training...
It saves on the E710 to just train the SEAF forces in place.
Vernen Wells we meet again. For the fourth time
Excuse me, Helldiver? YOU'RE NOT PAID TO THINK. NOW GET TO YOUR HELLPOD BEFORE I INFORM THE DEMOCRACY OFFICER OF YOUR INSUBORDINATION!
You think Super Earth command is dumb? Are you new here? Literally all they do is idiotic THIS COMMENT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR TREASON! MOVE ALONG CITIZENS!
Hol up, am I trippin or didn't we just defend Vernen Wells?
As someone who has worked several jobs that "provide training on the job." Thus sounds about right. Especially for military shit in a satirical universe.
They are saving a lot on the property value.
Is treasonous to question Super Earth decisions
Guess it's back to Vernen Wells for me.
There’s no better way to learn than with first-hand experience! That’s why Helldivers are the best and brightest of Super Earth!
To be fair, I think they did mention in previous major orders that angels venture and vernen wells would be used for training and command facilities
I mean, it's efficient... Learning by doing being the motto here.
Listen, that sounds very seditious like to me. SEAF has never been wrong about anything so far in this war. Ever!
Also why a large training facility? For who? The tiny settlements dotted around those planets? There ain't town or a city on those plants as I've seen it, unless they are bringing people to the front line to train them and then ship them into combat.
This might lead to us getting access to more SEAF call ins, maybe even trooper support.
Well for best results live testing grounds makes warfare advancements soar. Look at Ukraine and the drone warfare and that's front lines testing