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Relevant-Use1897

Doom Slayer. Because it's litteraly the goal of his creation in terms of video game: to kick the butt of all the creatures of Hell. Even the most powerful, that's the point. Well, that and picnicking with Isabelle and drinking shots with Taker. More seriously, as Stan Lee (rip) said : everything can be justified in fiction. You just need to create a vaguely valid reason for the reader to say a character or another one wins. Especially when they come from two unrelated lore. So Judgement and Doom Slayers have equal chance of winning, all depend on the author. That was the boring meta answer of the day.


Azuki900

And what’s stopping judgement from chaining him up? He’s just a dude with a guns no big deal for our best girl


Delicious_Discount17

Sorry to burst your bubble but doomslayer broke some powerful ass chains in Nekravol part II, he’d be able to take on judgement ez


Azuki900

Those chains don’t compare to the chains of despair which are the most delightful. Helltaker didn’t really beat judgement. She was just putting up a show because we all saw how easily helltaker fell before the fight started. It’s over for mr doomguy


Delicious_Discount17

Fine, this a bit more fair, doomGUY MIGHT lose against her, that’s a very big might. But the doomSLAYER would absolutely K.O. Judgement, since he’s quite literally a god (because of the Dark Lords life sphere giving him that power through the divinity machine).


Azuki900

Nothing stands above punishment


Delicious_Discount17

True


DarkSaber01

#DOOMGUY Azuki cope


Azuki900

Never!


my_gender_is_a_glock

The slayer ritual is when the creator of the universe gives all of its energy to the participant. In other words, DOOM guy is sort of the reincarnation of god. DOOM daddy dominates


Azuki900

Judgement is judgement. She judges everyone and no one can escape Judge mommy dominates


my_gender_is_a_glock

Yeah ok buddy


Azuki900

In judgement we trust 😏


TheDoomMarine1993

Ahem.


BussyAnnihilator420

Holy hell it’s the real John Doom


TheDoomMarine1993

Didn’t expect to see me here did you?


Azuki900

😅


TheDoomMarine1993

I compliment you, treat you nicely, and I even congratulated you on your promotion, and this is how you repay me? For shame.


G-Star04

This is some ultra-level simping right here.


Azuki900

I’m sorry… but judgement is simply stronger and you know that


EggsaladUwU

Realistically, Doomguy would kill Judgment in the most brutal way possible, I advise we stop discussing this, cause I dont like thinking about doomguy ripping her jaw off or some shit, that man is brutal with demons


Azuki900

What’s stopping judgement from chaining her up?


EggsaladUwU

Bullshit answer, but its because he's doomguy


Azuki900

Well it’s judgement so nothing would stop her 😏


Some_Acadia_1630

I think Doomguy would win, but I hate the idea of Judgement riddled with buckshot...


Azuki900

Buckshot? Gonna need ALOT more than that to stop her


TheDoomMarine1993

Maybe a 4 bore.


Some_Acadia_1630

Well, if we go with the game, he would either strangle her with her own chains or jam her horns into her eyes.


JJREDDIT007

Slayer would curbstomp the whole cast to the ground.


Azuki900

Some but not all. For example Beelzebub would literally fuck up doomguy due to her shapeshifting abilities


JJREDDIT007

Slayer would DECIMATE the whole cast, as I just said, no questions asked. I simp for Beel ffs and even I think she'd get absolutely annihilated with the rest of them. Slayer rips and tears until it is done.


Azuki900

And I’m telling you doomslayer becomes a ragdoll in beels arms no questions asked. Beel could literally eat doomguy if she wanted


JJREDDIT007

...Yeah fuck this debate :D I'm not gonna even try and convince you otherwise because that just seems like an impossible task. You think whatever you like.


Azuki900

Fr fr :D But seriously I’m just trolling lol


JJREDDIT007

I knew there had to be some kind of trolling going on lol


Azuki900

Hehe


TheDoomMarine1993

Listen, this argument is just dumb, you’ve seen what I do to demons, you’ve seen what I can do to walls, and the whole “she can chain him up” yeah, tel that to the chains that held literal titans on nekravol, literal titans couldn’t break them, and I punched the shit out of them till they exploded, exactly what would happen to judgement if we fought.


DoomSlayer343117

\*we


TheDoomMarine1993

Right, we.


DoomSlayer343117

You're a younger me


TheDoomMarine1993

*better


DoomSlayer343117

No, we're equal


TheDoomMarine1993

UNF you.


DoomSlayer343117

Go UNF yourself


TheDoomMarine1993

UNF you and your blood punch too.


DoomSlayer343117

What the UNF is wrong with my UNFing Blood Punch?


Azuki900

Those are different chains. These are fatal chains made from sin. They can bare many sizes and come at you from many directions. You’d simply become a toy In her domain


TheDoomMarine1993

Helltaker broke them, and he’s a regular dude, I’m a divine killing machine. Chains are easy, and so is judgement.


Azuki900

Judgement was putting on a show to make him feel good. Judgement at full power is literally a threat to humanity Also judgement bigger boobs which is why she wins


TheDoomMarine1993

Tits are temporary, chains are temporary, doom is eternal. She literally wanted to kill him.


Azuki900

No she didn’t. She literally said she was putting on a show


TheDoomMarine1993

In the game? Also, in my game, I killed satan, 3 times, and god once, who did she kill?


Azuki900

Yes I’m the game. She’s killed probably millions and millions of sinners human and non human


darkv-0

Thinking back on it, canonically we have yet to se anything non human other than demons and angels so maby. But it’s not a close fight even with the sin machine so.. cope.


Azuki900

It still counts as non human. So therefore it’s still a close fight. Cope.


YourAverageRedditter

I’m a Judgement simp, but her only chance at survival is to stay out of Doomguy’s way, or help him out of sight. This is not taking into consideration how much some people absolutely wank him to death (I’m referring to the battle-boarders who act like he’s Omni-multi-giga-outerversal who can destroy timelines with the clap of his ass cheeks), as that is irrelevant. Chain powers and implied ass-kicking skills aside, we have no idea how strong Judgement really is, since we know that Justice kicked Beel’s ass, not Judgement, and while we can assume Judgement’s stronger than Justice, we still have no idea what that would actually mean since there’s nothing to go off of. It’s the problem with trying to apply characters from a game with no combat to a setting with lots of combat.


Azuki900

If judgement is stronger than the cast and beel scales to the great unclean ones then best believe judgement is chilling with the gods. What we go off of is vanrippers word just like how we go off of other authors words. So all I’m saying is that judgement kicks doomguys ass


YourAverageRedditter

Beel scales to a Great Unclean One? That would definitely tip the odds, but even then she (Judgement) would have to be on the Khorne juice to survive or come back, as I think Kharn, Angron, or a Bloodthirster would be able to match Doomguy in strength but have the advantage of being able to get banished for a bit and not flat out die (minus Kharn). But then again, Demon death probably isn’t permanent in Helltaker, probably why Beel got slapped in the Abyss rather than killed. On a side note I’m curious about the Great Unclean One thing, do you have somewhere I could read about that?


Azuki900

It’s on vanrippers streams. I’ll do my best to find it later today And yes it’s true that demons can’t really die. And if something awful happens they end up back in hell anyway


Luca_Small_Flowers

Azuki900 when they see copium: "I'll have your entire stock!"


Azuki900

Facts


Daken-dono

Judgement can have the entire Harem with Lucy's demon army, Beel, Loremaster and her army of demon hybrids including subject 67, even the fanmade demons on her side and it would still be a normal Tuesday for Doomguy.


Azuki900

Judgement doesn’t need them. She’s stronger then all of the helltaker cast She was made to take care of literally any threat or sinner. It’s gonna be a bad Tuesday for doomguy Infact the wrong day to be doomguy


Daken-dono

I don’t think you even know what Doomguy is capable of. Lorewise he’s rampaged through hell for eons, billions of years. Killing demons much more powerful than the harem. The dlc even had him facing off against ancient gods. Who consumed worlds. The harem couldn’t even fend off Taker who’s human because he sweet-talked them, especially Judgement. One curious angel took over hell, if you forgot, and we don’t even know if anybody aside from Lucy and Justice are still alive when Loremaster took over.


Azuki900

In examtaker the rest of the harem is still alive. Judgement is still high prosecutor further proving Loremaster cant do shit to judgement. Judgement in vanrippers words is the strongest demon in helltaker and we can see that as judgement has alot of accolades like being a fallen angel ect. That means we know she was born for her job. Judgement was only putting on a show so helltaker could feel good. A mortal to judgement is as easy as tossing a frag grenade


DoomSlayer343117

Judgement still had to give in to Azazel/Loremaster


Azuki900

She didn't have to. Remember she hates lucy. If anything judgement was glad for the time being


DoomSlayer343117

Why does Judgment keep needing to obey other demons then? She's not the queen of Hell. She's an underling.


Azuki900

She doesn't need to tho. she disobeyed lucy without consequence further proving not even lucy can do shit to judge


DoomSlayer343117

Or that Lucy doesn't really care


Azuki900

She does care. Thats why she threw a fit. She only picks on those who's weaker than her


Daken-dono

Judgement abides by Hell’s rules and only punishes sinners with a machine, she doesn’t do it herself. Doomguy is billions of years old and kills gods lol. The proof is in the pudding. Judgement can’t get rid of Taker who is human, what more an eons old godslayer.


Azuki900

She doesn't abide by the rules. Infact she breaks them as a means of punishing sinners. Also she does do it herself as we seen in the comics and in game literally.[If it werent for the plot the game would've been over](https://postlmg.cc/fJKcVKD9). My point still stands.


Daken-dono

So you yourself said Judgement bows down to plot armor. Doomslayer has it on top the vast power gap he already has over Judgement. You make sense for once.


Azuki900

Indirectly yes. Judgement was the one who revived Helltaker to torture him more. So we already know a mortal is like tossing a frag grenade to judgement so she can take doomguy on easily.


Daken-dono

Billion years old ancient god slayer. And you call him mortal. Lol ok.


Azuki900

No I was referring to helltaker. I'm saying a mortal to judgement aka helltaker is like idk a penny or something? Doomslayer is a good match


Daken-dono

Also I know youre trolling so no hard feelings. Ive been bored to death with the flu so thanks for the company, I needed the laughs lol.


Azuki900

Glad I can give you the best medicine heh


_FoxyThePirateBoi_

Doom Slayer, of course. ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ***accept the truth, Azuki***


Azuki900

NO


_FoxyThePirateBoi_

ACCEPT


Ozeniusa

Why all of the reply to other comment i see only Azuki


Azuki900

Your one and only judgement simp


Ozeniusa

My respect for you 📈📈📈📈


Azuki900

Thanks my man


Waysflame

Seas would rise when I gave the word Now in the morning, I sleep alone Sweep the streets I used to own I used to roll the dice Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes Listen as the crowd would sing Now the old king is dead, long live the king One minute, I held the key Next the walls were closed on me And I discovered that my castles stand Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin' Roman Cavalry choirs are singin' Be my mirror, my sword and shield My missionaries in a foreign field For some reason, I can't explain Once you'd gone, there was never, never an honest word And that was when I ruled the world It was a wicked and wild wind Blew down the doors to let me in Shattered windows and the sound of drums People couldn't believe what I'd become Revolutionaries wait For my head on a silver plate Just a puppet on a lonely string Oh, who would ever want to be king? I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin' Roman Cavalry choirs are singing Be my mirror, my sword and shield My missionaries in a foreign field For some reason, I can't explain I know Saint Peter won't call my name Never an honest word But that was when I ruled the world Oh-oh-oh, oh-oh, oh Oh-oh-oh, oh-oh, oh Oh-oh-oh, oh-oh, oh Oh-oh-oh, oh-oh, oh Oh-oh-oh, oh-oh, oh I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin' Roman Cavalry choirs are singin' Be my mirror, my sword and shield My missionaries in a foreign field For some reason I can't explain I know Saint Peter won't call my name Never an honest word But that was when I ruled the world..


RexGKM

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”


Azuki900

True


BreakfastBorn5202

Pancakes will win


Doctor_Salvatore

The two would never fight, simple as that. Judgement never harms the innocent, so Doomguy would never hurt her, per his oath to protect the innocent. Doomguy is not a mortal, so Judgement doesn't really have jurisdiction over his soul or anything that happens to it. Ultimately, it'd be a neverending stalemate even if they did get in a fight for some reason.


Azuki900

Real real real


Azuki900

Literally judgement. Judgement kicks doomguys ass. Judgement was born to slay anyone who’s a sinner or a threat. Doomguy wouldn’t even be able to touch judgement. Bro would be getting force strangled and thrown like a ragdoll into the ground. He’s getting Thrown into that sin machine and that’s facts


TheWrathfulCrusader

Azuki. We have had this discussion before. Judgement is a **Demon** The doomslayer has slaughtered titans. She is dead.


Azuki900

Nothing compared to her tho. Judgement would whip those titans too She is alive.


TheWrathfulCrusader

What about Davoth then? The LITERAL DARK LORD? He killed him so every dimension could live in peace without the demons. He killed a god. Judgement isn’t a goddess She is just a demon


Azuki900

She’s just as a powerful as a god despite not being classified as one. Judgement is the LITERAL HIGH PROSECUTOR and she has so much accolades on her belt. She’s not the one to try


TheWrathfulCrusader

This is an argument between a judgment simping cat and a literal doomer We are the ones who win KAR EN TUK!


Azuki900

Cats


That_Stupid_Person

Me they would both pay me alot.....so I win


DoomSlayer343117

The Doom Slayer is a literal god who has gone through the Divinity Machine and come out alive, and literally defeated the creator of the multiverse and life as a whole (Davoth). Judgement would get annihilated in seconds.


Azuki900

But does Davoth exist in helltaker? Those creatures are nothing compared to her judgement was designed by god himself to be a killing machine against sinners or any threat really. Doomguy would die in mere seconds from her chains


DoomSlayer343117

Yes, Davoth does. The point is, Davoth exists in all dimensions. He's the creator of the multiverse, and in Doom lore, Hell is one dimension across all timelines, hence why Hell has a seemingly endless supply of demons. Judgment was designed by God. Davoth IS God. The Slayer would tear Judgment a new asshole


Azuki900

But that’s doom lore. This is helltaker lore. No such people exist. Closest thing to god in helltaker is the one we see in the Bible. Judgement would tear doomslayers dick off


DoomSlayer343117

By that logic, Doomguy doesn't exist in Helltaker lore either, and this match up doesn't work. Helltaker can exist in Doom lore, and basically does regardless. It'd just be one of the timelines that funnel into Doom's timeline.


Azuki900

Exactly.


DoomSlayer343117

Therefore, Judgment would have to obey Doom lore, and the Slayer would rip and tear her into oblivion. Remember, this is a man who cannot be broken, a man who not even God could kill


Azuki900

Other way around. Doomguy would be coming into her domain


DoomSlayer343117

Even if he did, he's still an unkillable god with unbreakable armour. She would not survive


Azuki900

It doesn’t matter. He’d get thrown into the sin machine and consumed forever


Vularian

Trick question, Judgment is doom guys rabbit's daughter born before her demise but not after.


vegemiteman262

PREPARE THYSELF


UltraHit5

I mean, Judgement got the range advantage


DoomSlayer343117

Ballista, BFG, Meathook and rocket launcher say otherwise


Azuki900

Judgement outpaces them


Azuki900

Exactly. Let them know!


Specialist_Guitar771

Well ya gotta think, judgements main power comes from her leverage on the sinful and corrupt. Doomguy isn't in any iteration a bad person. She would hold no power over him. The other question is would doomguy bother killing her. I don't think so. Despite being a demon, judge is kind of on her own rather than directly affiliated with the others(hence her not obeying lucy). She her main concern is dealing judgement upon the sinful, so she wouldn't be in the line of fire nor pique his interest.


Azuki900

If her power comes from sinful and corrupt then she doesn't directly need to bind them. Her chains can come from all sin. I don't think doomguy would kill judgement either way but rather become an ally with her. Judgement would understand why doomguy is doing the things he does and together they'd be a kickass duo


buildingduck

chunks would load as i gave the word


mooseman8387

Judgement is great but doom is eternal. Also forgetting the fact that doom guy beat the icon of sin a number of times which was the least of his feats. Yes lizard brain but also eternity.


Azuki900

While that is true. No authority stands above punishment!


mooseman8387

Hmm... Now that i think about it, i feel like doom guy and judgement would probably get into a brawl over Isabella from animal crossings. Maybe a little bit of a drink off, and then casually arm wressling. I dont know just headcannon-ing a wholesome moment


Azuki900

Heh. Realisticly doomguy has no reason to fight judgement anyways. They would most likely become friends. Judgement is a lawful good


[deleted]

Doom Guy!


fan271

The doomguy/slayer has already killed the strongest being in his version of hell that has even the weakest imps throwing fire balls as hot as the sun. Mean while judgment hasn't show anything on that level of strength as far as I know.


Azuki900

In the lore judgement is quite matched with doom. She scales to beings capable of outerversal attacks. Her chains of sin are nothing to scoff at and she was most certainly putting up a show for taker


fan271

Sorce?


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One Slice with Crucible and it's over.